Can someone describe what ADHD is like?
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Can someone describe what ADHD is like?
>>768483884
"I can't make myself do anything, I can't maintain interest in anything"
"Depressed. Next!"
"But I don't feel depressed. I've been depressed and this is not it."
"You just don't know you're depressed. Next!"
"But antidepressants have never done anything to help me. Are you sure I'm depressed?"
"Don't question my authority! You're not a doctor! Next!"
>>768483884
How many kids are needed to place a lightbulb?
Let's go and play with our bikes.
>>768483970
yes. this.
>>768483884
The normal pace of things gets boring, so I'll be thinking of things while listening to someone in conversation. It's "hard to focus" because you end up on a semantic train of thought. It's just too easy to focus on things that are interesting, and staying on the same subject or task too long just gets boring pretty fast. But that hyperfocus on interesting things is real, sometimes just kind of zoning out the rest of the world. It's habitual half-listening to people. Growing up I was often told "You're not giving me your full attention", which pissed me off because it wasn't needed, and keeping both my ears and eyes on someone was a huge pain in the ass. Almost like constant FOMO with paying attention to things. Fast-pasted rhythm games are pretty fun.
It's almost like information is processed out of order, but still gets pieced together correctly in the end, unless someone fucks with your train of thought, then all is lost.
It's just no control over your thoughts and emotions. It's a fake diagnosis because it's just bad habits.
>>768485188
this. 100%. I've been this way my entire life.
For me its like 100% of the time my brain is just thinking a thousand words a minute, going everywhere, random words, random memories. Its really hard to focus on what you are doing or what people are saying while its happening and often i will forget what people are telling me as they say it. Also i come off quirky and weird because im always hyperactive and speak my mind to much.
Really, you could say it's like constantly being on a microdose of LSD.
>>768485383
Anon "Faggot" Ymous, M.D. reporting in, I see.
>>768485466
How's "small talk"?
Well. I changed my mind on what I was going to reply about 6 times before I said fuck it and just wrote this bullshit.
>>768485734
It's the truth though. I know the symptoms and how it feels. It's nothing more then a diagnosis for kids that don't have any self control. It's however a quite creative state but the goals are short term and the results are quite often just addictions.
For ADD/ADHDfags here, questions:
1: does weed help?
2: do you doubt the authenticity of your thoughts?
3: does it make you frustrated and angry to not be able to truly focus and calm down?
I think I may be nearing a diagnosis here, would explain why antidepressants did fuck all.
>>768483884
I might have ADD, basically I have a new interest every day/week that I can completely lose myself into and even think that it's going to be my whole life and career later, and the next day I would rather off myself if I have to do anything related with it again.
>>768486446
Weed absolutely does not help me but I know a couple people that it does help
>>768486446
I don't doubt myself during the time but when I think about being irresponsible later I realize that my rationale was flawed
Yes its very frustrating to sit there and try to have a conversation but I'm forgetting what the guy is saying while he's saying it. It's so hard to have a conversation about something I'm not extremely interested in and sometimes even then I blur out
>>768486776
Sounds like me to a T.
Weed helps me calm down and focus but not that much, mainly stops the racing thoughts and gives me a peaceful mind. Can't seem to force myself to pay attention to dumb shitblike repetitive menial tasks tho.
Pls more info. I feel like my existence is making sense
>>768486446
I have ADD and aspergers so I can't always tell what symptoms come from where, but
1) I've never liked weed, but during the 4 or 5 times I got high, the only thing that would have helped me focus was the fact that I wanted to sit still and not be jumpy
2)Yes, I feel doubtful of myself and my thoughts very regularly, but i think it has more to do with aspergers and 140 IQ
3)When I was younger I would have rage fits because I was so frustrated that I couldn't get school work done, but now I've worked through them without the use of meds so I'm better off now than people who use them.
hope that helps
I can describe the attention deficit part.
Have you ever been really fucking tired and tried to study and no matter how hard you tried to pay attention, it just went in 1 ear and out the other? Nothing seemed to be sticking no matter how many times you were reading. So you just give up and go to bed.
That's what an attention disorder is like except all the time. You...don't have the capacity to pay attention.
With ADHD not only is this going on, but you also tend to lose interest very quickly and having to stick to something you don't like becomes very..uncomfortable. You have to resist this negative emotional energy to force yourself to try. But when you try, you have to put in a huge amount of effort to learn anything because your attention span so bad. So over time you learn to be easily discouraged and easily overwhelmed by things. Even if you do learn something, when you try to put it into practice you can lose focus and attention and completely mess up. Like with me if I do math, even if I know how to do the math, sometimes I just completely lose my train of thought and type out the math incorrectly.
This condition is also a nightmare when it comes to job hunting. Because the basic training they give to the new employees is usually never enough exposure for you to learn the training. Uou tend to get completely overwhelmed and unable to keep up and you can get fired. It can also cause issues socializing because you have trouble keeping up with conversations. You try to pay attention but it goes in one ear and out the other.
>>768483884
Squirrel.
>>768486446
>does weed help
No, I don’t enjoy the feeling of it so I’ve never attempted to use it therapeutically.
>do you doubt the authenticity of your own thoughts
I don’t have thoughts, thoughts have me.
>does it make you frustrated and angry [...]
It used to. High school was the worst, and I’d fight with everyone (doctors, parents, student councilors) over how it wasn’t my fault I was underachieving. I’ve learned to deal with it by disciplining myself to sit down and do the work no matter what, but it still gets frustrating sometimes. I’ll still get distracted 5-10 times in the course of an hour of reading, only I’ve learned to be conscious of that and to refocus on the task at hand.
Fidget spinner
>>768487074
Also, I use was prescribed adderall, but that turned dark on me and I haven’t been on any medication for about a year now.
>>768486902
that sounds more like you are a spoiled retard with an endorphin addiction
>>768487128
>>768486982
edgy retards who don't know a thing about this
>>768486900
>1) I've never liked weed, but during the 4 or 5 times I got high, the only thing that would have helped me focus was the fact that I wanted to sit still and not be jumpy
Yeah this was how I was with weed at first, then after a while I managed to use the calmer physical side to slow things down mentally. On the aspergers thing, I have a very good friend who is diagnosed and dislikes weed (loves MDMA tho), though even my mother has said I may be on the spectrum. Hard to know for sure, and I can't seem to single anything out because other possibilities pop up constantly like thought whack a mole
>2)Yes, I feel doubtful of myself and my thoughts very regularly, but i think it has more to do with aspergers and 140 IQ
I got moved ahead in school for fidgeting and causing problems in class while bored, which was all the time. Know the feel.
>3)When I was younger I would have rage fits because I was so frustrated that I couldn't get school work done, but now I've worked through them without the use of meds so I'm better off now than people who use them.
I still have rage fits at random objects. I've broken so much shit in the past couple years. How did you work through it without meds? I would rather an hero than take pharmaceuticals for the rest of my life, but weed is acceptable to me due to being natural.
>hope that helps
DEFINITRLY does anon thank you
>>768486095
It's not about self control. I can get my head in an orderly working state, but it's just scattered while relaxed. Someone without self control, i.e. with a malformed or underdeveloped prefrontal cortex would not be able to control themselves regardless of the situation. Also please look up what "addiction" means, because I'm pretty sure it doesn't mean what you think it means.
>>768486446
1. Weed "helps" in small doses. But if you're looking to get stoned, you're not stopping at a pinch or two. Been smoking for a while without a T-break, and I can feel it "coming back" easier/quicker. But it's multitudes better than fucking addy or ritalin or whatever else that's basically just pumping yourself with speed. Acid is fun, though.
2. Is this a shitty attempt at gaslighting?
3. Not really. I don't know what you mean by "truly focus". The way people often can't process something being said while doing some task is annoying sometimes. Also, "calm" for others is not at all calm for me. The brain isn't just going to stop. If it isn't being used for a random menial physical task, then that brain activity has to go towards something, so things will be found. Being everywhere is calm for me.
>>768487128
Those are goddamn cancer and you know it. Still have one my buddy gave to me, though.
>>768483884
ADHD is a myth like back pain and global warming
>>768487074
On the topic of the thoughts, that's essentially what I meant. Thank you for your insight anon.
>>768486883
I work with marble and granite and I have done construction for a pretty long time. I wanted to be a doctor and I am a very good test taker but I couldn't force myself to study so I just stopped going to school my second semester trying to get my cores out of the way (all advanced classes in highschool, finished highschool if how I wrote that is confusing).
Anyway I've found that working in a trade keeps me interested and motivated being that I'm not doing repetitive shit and every day is different. I absolutely loathe factory work. Sorry if that's not what you wanted maybe if you asked me a question I could better help?
>>768487241
1: I'm about to try acid, in a week or two. Waiting on some pure stuff. Looking for therapeutic use.
I do use weed specifically to avoid pharma. I had a girlfriend who took ritalin, I would rather be stoned than be that.
2: not sure what you mean, I meant that I can't seem to nail down how I feel, think or what reality is because a million possibilities are appearing and disappearing every second.
3: I identify with that but cope differently. There have been times I've been able to use my restlessness to lean a lot quickly but I have to be extremely motivated.
>>768487380
Yeah seems a trade/craft is a good idea, working on cars drowns out a lot of the racing thoughts. Maybe I should do it for a job
>>768486648
This. If something interests me I become obsessed to the point of blocking everything else out. I get hyperfocused on things but sustaining that drive can be difficult. As a result I've ended up with a bunch of random skills I've never used. Over the years I've taught myself flash animation, audio mixing, woodworking, guitar, marksmanship... and yet actually graduating college was like pulling teeth bc if the subjects don't interest me my mind is off somewhere else in seconds.
>>768483970
Hmm, this seems like a possible description of a weak minded person with ADHD.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uU6o2_UFSEY
>>768487741
MAXIMUM IDENTIFICATION
If that's ADD/ADHD I
>>768486446
definitely have it
>>768487241
>Someone without self control, i.e. with a malformed or underdeveloped prefrontal cortex would not be able to control themselves regardless of the situation.
That's what I mean. There is not physical limitation. It's just bad habits that has been allowed to continue for too long.
I know what addiction means. It can be anything. ADHD is just a strong addiction to certain thought patterns. If you break them you no longer have ADHD.
>>768483884
It feels like being a child in a home of a single mother, in a state where it’s more cloudy or rainy more often than other places. It also feels exactly like being in a classroom in a school with a terrible student to teacher ratio. If you know what this is like your know what it feels like.
Pretty sure I've seen real ADHD from a kid in middleschool. One day he forgot his meds and started giggling and looking around constantly, then started crawling under tables and unplugging computers in class just laughing the entire time almost like he was in a primal state. If you talked to him or told him to stop, it's almost like he didn't acknowledge that you spoke.
You're sitting in front of your computer. Suddenly you get the urge to start a podcast. Awesome, so you start writing a manuscript. You go to your browser quickly to check some facts, and wow, they released a new YouTube video? Epic! I need to watch it! Meh, it's boring, where's my controller? I want to play a little. Fuck, he sniped me, that son of a bitch. Fuck I'm hungry, I dont have time to cook so I order a pizza with my last $10.
et cetera.
I'm
>>768486900
replying to
>>768487240
I found only three ways that helped me focus on a subject/topic that I hated:
1) Pretend it was something I liked, or find a way to incorporate something I liked into a subject (I can focus on ideas/hobbies that I really like for several weeks at a time
2) Get my mom or dad to require that I finished a project/study a day or two before the actual due date, so that my procrastination boost would kick in earlier, and I would take small chunks at a time (15 minutes study:10 minutes break)
3)This is sort of a personal routine before I would study but I would take a walk through the woods for a few hours prior to study time, I would cut out caffeine for a few days prior then have a cup of coffee the day of so the effects would be greater.
>>768487816
My dad has it even worse than i do. I've trained my brain to stay focused on people's conversations, which can be very difficult as a single word can send my mind off on an international tangent of associations. You can see this tangled string of thoughts with my dad all the time. For example, we're talking about car engines but something randomly reminds him of goats and suddenly he's lost in his own brain until he makes a random comment about shepherds in Ireland several minutes later
>>768488268
*internal
>>768487180
No that's not how it works. This is not retardation. I still have the capability to think critically and I still function like any other adult with an average IQ. I've had my IQ tested before by doctors and I was fine. The hyper active urge or restlessness to want to do something else is well documented in ADHD. It's commonly misinterpreted as being spoiled by people who don't have this so i'm not too surprised at your response there.
The attention span makes learning difficult, but not impossible. I can still grasp higher concepts if I apply myself and use adhd coping skills that i've researched to help me study. It was a bit much for me to say that the attention span is completely gone 24/7 so maybe that's why you thought it was retardation. Sorry about that.
I have no idea why you're saying endorphin addiction either.
>>768486446
1.i used to enjoy weed alot and smoked everyday but lately I only smoke to slow down my thoughts if im sober for too long I start going off on tangents and will become depressed from awful thoughts
2.no I think my thoughts are real and over the years of thinking about everything so much that I have good problem solving and deductive skills from it.
3. Incredibly but not in the moment it's mostly procrastination or "oh I have to do this" and then you go to do that thing and you notice something that you think should either be done first or it would be easy to do it real fast and then the cycle continues until you're like oh fuck I forgot that one thing. Its not so much calming down and focusing as it is loss of interest in search of something more satisfying.
>>768487556
I used to bother me that I didn't know what my "personality" is, and just felt fake or something. I've since stopped giving a shit because I have more important things to do. Trying to define the "self" got boring and I'd rather just enjoy things.
Acid is fun, but ultimately it can't show you anything you don't already know. But that's the same for anyone. Try listen to some Chrome Sparks.
>>768487816
It's pretty much the ultimate "Don't waste my fucking time" "disorder".
>>768488005
Have you tried being more interesting than unplugging computers? People are fucking boring, seriously. One thing I can't stand is when talking to someone, and there's a miscommunication that happens; you have already processed what you said, what they said, how the miscommunication happened. But trying to explain things the right way is learned to be futile over the years because people don't keep the fuck up when listening, and I end up just saying "Nevermind" a lot because it's not worth either person's time and effort.
>>768488111
I've found keeping a vague mental schedule for the day helps on days I need to be productive. It makes it much easier to switch to the new task and to avoid runaway non-plans.
>>768487890
>if you break the kernel, the computer will no longer have kernel-related issues
Fucking genius over here. You don't randomly develop ADHD after birth, m8. Being in a "normal" state would be and definitely feel unnatural.
Also, first you say the goals are "addictions", and now you say the thought pattern is the "addiction". Seems to be you can't even keep your own thoughts straight. And unless a thing interferes with day-to-day life, it's literally not an addition.
>inb4 semantic argument you still have no self control
We can loop back to the fact that that's wrong as well.
>>768488846
Like just last night my girlfriend asked me to get toilet paper from downstairs for our bathroom and now im sitting hereon the toilet trying to think of what the fuck else I was doing
Like when your really tired and still high off dabs from the night before but don’t want to fall asleep in class. So you take adderall and drink entirely too much caffeine, but then you’re too wired so you have another dab before running to AP bio. That’s the feeling I get on a really bad adhd day. Mind is racing to stay awake, there is little impulse control, and I can’t keep track of anything.
Adderall isn’t a solution. You have to be genuinely Interested in what you’re doing for the adhd to not show.
>>768488846
Weed helps if you’re well rested and it’s peppy but not too strong. Chem dog, not gorilla glue number 5
>>768489575
I just had too much blue dream. Never blue dream
>>768488972
>You don't randomly develop ADHD after birth
It's definitely not random since it's a thought pattern you develop over time. Just like you can learn it after birth you can unlearn it.
>Also, first you say the goals are "addictions", and now you say the thought pattern is the "addiction".
I didn't really say that. You can easily develop addictions in the physical world when you have ADHD but it's also a thought pattern that's about no self control and there in lies the addiction.
>And unless a thing interferes with day-to-day life, it's literally not an addition.
But ADHD does so therefor it's an addiction. Otherwise it wouldn't be a diagnosis.
I'm not sayhing you cant have symptoms of ADHD. Anyone can develop them if they're allowed/want to but it's a diagnosis for the lazy and unmotivated.
>>768489717
Actually it’s shown in mri to be an underdeveloped frontal lobe issue. This doesn’t make you dumb, it just makes the mind race to stay alert. Basically you overcompensate and you’re adhd, under and you’re ADD.
>>768489867
Sounds interesting but it must be possible to fix. GLHF! I must leave now for real life matters.
It's like being "on" all the fucking time
It's beautiful and terrible
>>768489717
Pretty sure a dopamine deficiency (and more) isn't a learned thought pattern. Pretty sure it does not *interfere* with day-to-day life, or otherwise get in the way if you don't let it. So you're saying the "goals" part had nothing to do with ADHD, but rather the universal human trait of possible (real) addiction to arbitrary things? Still don't know where you're getting the idea that ADHD is a "thought pattern". It's like you're trying to say "state of mind", but don't know how to explain that, so you just say the same vague phrase over and over. If you're trying to apply an "addiction" label to how someone feels in a given moment, you'll have to be more convincing than that.
>lazy and unmotivated
I don't think you could possibly have a more confused view on things. In no point in my life have I ever been "unmotivated", nor could you call fervently do tasks "right" and quickly without attention to how much is too much "lazy". Some things are just not worth my time, but I'm very motivated to do things which are. Either be able to sell this pen to me, or accept just not being all that interesting.