Hey /b/, what's your opinion on abortion? I'm taking
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Hey /b/, what's your opinion on abortion? I'm taking a stand with a woman on this one, and claming that she has the right to abort and that only she should have a say in this. Not Bible, Kur'an, law, people but her.
Share your opinions.
roe vs wade has been an incredible boon for american society and anyone who says otherwise doesn't understand the impact it's had on the nog crime rate
If man has to pay child support if woman wants to keep his baby then woman needs to get abortion if man doesn't want a child.
>>768024080
What about the baby's rights?
>>768024080
>only she should have a say in this. Not Bible, Kur'an, law,
Not even laws apply to women? Murder is not some special right for women.
Also...
Abortion is murder by definition. If you end life at any stage it's dead. If something becomes dead from living due other mans action that means a murder.
Fetus is just development stage of baby. If you crash egg with chicken inside you will kill it in development process.
The fact that baby body is in woman body is just development stage. We have laws forbiding people to do anything they want with their bodies. You can't allow another person to murder you, you can't sell your kidneys in black market, and in a lot of countries you can't allow others to beat yourself.
>>768024080
In my opinion Abortions are fucking stupid, it's as if you are going to take a test, score shit and say fukkit and decide to rip the paper.Women should not have the choice to choose wether they conceives a child or not she decided to have unprotected sex, it is her fault, now unless the child has no chance of survival, the abortion would be necessary, Other than that she can go fuck herself for the uncaring whore she is.
>>768024080
>what's your opinion on abortion
That's a complicated issue. On one hand I'm pro choice but on the other hand part of me wants to give a healthy child a chance at life. Honestly abortion should only be in cases of rape, if the child has severe defects, or if there's the possibility that childbirth would result in the death of the mother and/or child.
>>768024080
Also...
99.99% of abortions happens due unwanted baby caused by unprotected willingly sex.
If woman took a risk to have baby by having unprotected sex she must take responsibility for results that could happen (pregnancy).
>>768024357
>the unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another.
Medical abortion is lawful so your full of shit.
>>768024357
>Abortion is murder by definition
and yet most countries don't equate it with murder.
>>768024492
Completely agree with this fag.
>>768024452
>she decided to have unprotected sex
Because birth control never fails
>>768024080
proove souls otherwise its just a potentialy shity life wich was ended before it started
>>768024080
I'm not just pro-choice , I'm pro abortion.
If she isn't with a man who can provide for her or she isn't in a financial situation to provide for the child , then it should be aborted, no questions.
>>768024492
>responsibility
So what you're saying is you hate women
>>768024492
>>768024452
Keep living in fantasy world.
Reality is people have sex and can become pregnant with condoms and birth control.
Your seriously implying humans should only have sex for procreation.
>>768024080
Let those who wants an abortion have one. We know the results of banning abortions, and its fatal for lots of woman. Its insane to ban it, and luckily most people are aware of this fact. A fetus has the potensial of life, but it isnt life at this point. People are gonna have sex, give them proper education and the option of removing the fetus.
>>768024509
What is lawful doesn't mean it's right.
There was time when you lawfully was allowed to shoot man on a street without reason. There was time when you were lawfully allowed to beat your slave to death, there was time when you were lawfully allowed to sell your child to Circus at age of 3.
You asked opinion. I give you opinion.
Laws in most cases are decided by democratic voting, and democratic process is run by idiots in large numbers.
>>768024080
>Share your opinions.
If you want to kill your fetus because it is inconvenient for you to have a baby do it but don't moralize and do the 'muh body autonomy' and 'it's not really alive' shit. Accept you are having it killed because it is inconvenient for you, at least then I could at least respect your honesty regardless of how I fell about it but the moralizing and bending the facts makes you look like a moron.
>>768024270
Are you asking your child about buying something?
Fuck right off, as its legal guardian you own it.
>>768024509
>Medical abortion is lawful
Not everywhere and it wasn't until the laws were changed.
>>768024080
>be me
> see this
>kms becasue you seem like a beta cuck male
>>768024597
quit deliverying uncommon excuses
why is abortion the only solution?
>>768024597
Proper birth control NEVER fails.
If you forgot to take a pill or you buy cheap condoms from china 1$ for 100pc. it's your problem.
Billions of people are fucking every day but somehow most of them avoid pregnancy.
>>768024080
I don't think it's right to end the future of a fellow human being. Even if you don't consider it as a human or a "life" it still has a full life ahead of it and killing ends that future. Despite if you consider that murder or not, you're ending the future of that child.
>>768024080
>ody
Nugga wat
>>768024629
If you're gonna pull out the feminist rhetoric, then equality means women must be held accountable just as men for their mistakes. It's only fair.
>>768024711
>and its fatal for lots of woman
i'm gonna say bullshit and say its less than 5%, i would not call that a lot
>>768024597
>Because birth control never fails
There are endless forms of birth control out there, get spade or neutered if you have to. Actions have consequences, you can't have your cake and eat it too.
>>768024629
No. I hate people who try to blame others for their own actions.
>>768024179
THIS! Men are entitled to an equal say in the abortion of their children! Otherwise you can fuck off with you child support!
>>768024492
Watch out, “but muhh rape and incest” is coming
>>768024825
>768024825
they want the baby dead out of convenience, thats the sickening part. not because it jeopardizes her health (in some cases, yes, but rare) but convenience.
>>768024711
If NASA would find fetus in Mars would they consider it life or not?
Oh boy I'm sure going to love this civil discussion
>>768024809
>why is abortion the only solution?
It isn't? Its an option among many, and it should remain as an option for those who want it.
>>768024837
20.000+ women die every year because of illigal abortions. Thats way too much. this may be hard for you to read, but this is a good reason alone to make it legal everywere.
>>768024850
>you can't have your cake and eat it too.
unless you are a woman. In which case you can rape an underage child, get pregnant, and successfully get child support from the rape victim. But women have fewer rights, right?
>>768024895
I know... It's liberal philosophy talk about extremes as fact of majority...
>>768024684
If you don’t realize that any form of birth control is not 100% safe then you’re the one that should’ve been aborted
>>768024597
no, it should technically be almost close to impossible faggot, just because people are getting pregnant when using birth control, does not mean that they used it correctly, learn how to use birth control fucking whore.
>>768024357
Equally if you pick a flower, you are guilty of flower murder as you have ended that flowers life.
>>768024080
It is exploited for political means. Nobody in position of power care not either way.
>dude 4080's tss
>>768024080
I Appreciat it because its about killing children. On the other hand it gives women a choice...i dont like that
>>768024982
The number of people dying drug related deaths per year is higher, should we legalize all drugs too?
>>768025033
And vegans eternally BTFO
>>768024684
> Keep living in your fantasy world.
Well im fucking sorry i dont go out and have sex every single minute of my life like some sort of red light district whore.
>>768024834
It was in jest. I agree it comes down to basic responsibility.
>>768025094
YES, YES we should. however its totaly irrelevant and a strawman. At least focus on the topic if you wanna discuss this.
>>768024821
You're not very smart are you?
People can have sex without any protection, because conception rates are not 100%, meaning that protection can fail and you might still not get pregnant.
Now add onto this the fact that birth control usually works very well when used properly, however when when used correctly birth control can absolutely fail.
Now imagine if you've used birth control fine, some shit went wrong, and against odds, she gets pregnant, why the hell should she be forced to keep the kid and you be forced to pay child support? That kind of thinking is absolutely retarded.
>>768024749
What a disgusting view point on parenting. Please don't reproduce, for the sake of whatever you're going to abort, or worse, raise.
It should be legal until one month after birth
>bonus points if both parents are advised to decide together with the option for the male to surrender all parental dutys and rights - final decision for the kid should stay the womans, it's her body that gets rekt
>>768025134
>Responsibility
The one word modern women hate
>>768024270
No personality, no rights
>>768024080
Fuck off kike, quit using /b/ as your argument generator and sharpening tool.
Don't you have any friends you can use as your study group?
>>768025033
Yes. You killed flower. You ended flowers life cycle.
It's killing of life form.
Value of life form is another question.
People value only life of their own species. Killing other life forms are acceptable in our culture cause that doesn't involve survival of our species.
>>768024597
There is a risk of pregnancy even when using contraceptive. If you don't want to play the game, don't roll the dice.
>>768025094
yes, you should be able to do whatever you want to yourself as long as you don't hurt someone else. So drugs = good, abortion = BAD.
>>768025090
Good a reason as any. Might actually use this argument sometime
>>768025166
Well listen here cuck,
If birth control fails and you have used Pills and Condoms, i suggest you go and kill yourself for having such bad luck. fucking fags like you always say the same fucking shit, what if, what if how about you provide a source or an example of a person who has used contraceptives properly and still got pregnant.
>>768025369
Sure, but then forcing those people to keep the kid and the man to pay child support is silly.
Sure, it's distasteful when people use abortions as primary means of birth control, but there are people who did everything "right" and still got screwed, they should absolutely have access to abortion
>>768025298
Wouldn't that mean no one on 4chan has rights?
>>768024982
About 650k abortions are done annually. Your 20k is around 3% of that, so statistically they’re pretty rare
>>768025298
So vegetables and retards have no rights? Old people with dementia? You're not exactly drawing a line anywhere with your statement. What are the limitations on murder? Decapitation? Bullet? Lethal injection? Or are we sticking to spinning them apart in a vacuum chamber?
>>768025031
Literally the rates of Contraceptives failing, fuck yourself kike
>>768025166
>Now imagine if you've used birth control fine, some shit went wrong, and against odds, she gets pregnant, why the hell should she be forced to keep the kid and you be forced to pay child support? That kind of thinking is absolutely retarded.
Wow you are totally right! Kill that little bastard
>>768024080
Abortion is murder.
>>768025512
Yes, abortion should be an option to women, there are many situations where that is justifiable, but it should not be viewed as a 'right'. At best, it is a necessary tragedy.
>>768025643
So is life in general
>>768025432
Even stuff like IUDs which pretty much require nothing from the user, meaning you can't fuck it up by your own actions, can still fail. It happens.
>>768025166
You know that birth control can fail and still decide to bone. If you end up having a kid because your condom broke it’s still your fault for knowingly and willingly taking the risk>>768025512
>>768025166
Please. Give me statistics about births caused by failure of birth control.
if woman uses contraceptives and man wears a condom there are bigger chance to win National Lottery than to get pregnant.
But, even in case "Shit happened" yes, you should take responsibility for life you created.
Imagine you take dog from shelter because your girlfriend noticed it in window and it looked cute. You took it home and next day you both decide to kill it cause nobody told you they dog needs food and that's inconvenient.
Your actions should have consequences to you, not others.
stfu'
>>fell for a troll thread
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>>768024946
I feel you lol
>>768024982
20,000 is too much women dying wtf have you seen the population, we have way to much wastes of life on this planet.Eradicate the retards, and anyone under the IQ of 87
>>768025554
>Kill that little bastard
Well duh, of course. It's a cluster of cells, it's not a person, not a big thing.
>>768025512
If a couple used birth control and have an unwanted pregnancy then they didn’t do everything “right”. Either get snipped/tubes tied or simply don’t have sex
>>768025678
Nope, life is fucking awsome, stop being a little bitch and take control.
>>768025532
sure, but those 3% are 20k+ women who could be alive today, and this because of a stupid law. We know how to best prevent teenage pregnacies, hell, we even know that abortion have a significance when it comes to crime. How do (lets say Americans) deal with it? The totaly opposite... NOT teaching children about sex and wanting to ban abortions, its insane to the core.
>>768025714
>sage
>posts picture
>>768025094
Anything regulated after being legalized is 100% less dangerous than something illegal and unregulated. Idiot
>>768025778
But here's the thing: with every child born someone else dies. There's no life without death anon
>>768025675
>but it should not be viewed as a 'right'. At best, it is a necessary tragedy.
Right is just legalize meaning you can't be denied the access to it (as long as other parameters, like the age of embryo etc. fall within the law), whether you take it as a tragedy or something else is entirely up to you, but such semantics shouldn't matter on whether abortion should be legal or not.
>>768025697
nigga i did like twice now
>>768025733
no, i recomment you watch this. Its pretty good.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LyzBoHo5EI
I'm atheist, but I still think abortion is dodgy and only really sort of OK in the case of rape or where the fetus won't survive.
Just as we would condemn a pregnant woman for drinking or smoking during her pregnancy, I'm not really comfortable with the idea of killing a separate creature that is definitely living and has unique human genetics.
After all, what defines murder?
>>768025129
Or ever for that matter. For someone to ever consider sex as an option should coherently weigh their contraception options as well as what they will do if they fail
>>768025790
Well muricans are the ones who teach in their schools that "abortion is kind of birth control".
>>768025956
>I'm atheist
And you lost any credibility.
>>768025534
Old people with dementia still have personality, if it's so bad they don't it makes no difference if they live or die
Retards clearly have personality, even most animals have, but we should lock them or kill them anyways
>the brainlets, not the animals
You can't murder something without a personality, you can only destroy it
>>768025527
No it wouldn't
>>768024597
Condoms have an absolute 100% success rate as long as the woman holds it between both her knees and tries not to drop it
If you got preggers and didn't want it would you really want to be tied down for 9 months to stop you from killing it?
Have some empathy please.
That being said, I don't think the father has any responsibility to look after the kid if he doesn't want this, but probably best this is made clear before the chick is preggo.
>>768024080
i dont give a fuck. i have a slight of intelligence and brain power which makes me older than most of you retards here. i can understand 4chan before even having been on the site. You can't. All you can do is repeat random garbage because thats all you are. Basically what im trying to say is you're a fucking faggot.
Chomp down another tide pod, precious snowflake.
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>>768025852
I didn't use an insult, I only asked a simple question. A simple 'yes I would' would have answered the question, your insults just show you are more emotional than thoughtful.
>>768025714
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>>768025527
A lot of the people should have less rights than they do lol
>>768025861
Are you retarded? Nobody dies to bring in new life to the world, people die because they're old, sick or to stupid to survive. It has nothing to do with new babies being born you dumbfuck, luckily you most likely go under the "to stupid to survive" category and will stop writing retarded shit like that on the net any day.
>>768025835
>>768025714
>>768025697
It's more like going on a sail turn and get your boat eaten by a giant octopus
It's your vault, dare you to grab the harpoons
>>768025685
Well i disagree, i don't see the embryo as a person, so i don't see any problem aborting it.
I'm taking responsibility by making sure the little shit doesn't have to come to this world unloved.
>>768025862
Hence the apostrophes, and people should consider it a tragedy, rather than a service they are entitled to.
>>768024357
>"all killing of humans by humans is murder"
>legal distinction between murder and killing in self defense
n o p e
Chomp down another tide pod, precious snowflake.
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>>768025643
I mean so is war.. And masturbation
>>768025094
Yes of course
Good call
>unironically
>>768025374
>as you don't hurt someone else
Why would you use this argument in a thread about ending lives?
>>768026108
>to stupid to survive
One fucking job.
>>768024850
>spade
"I call it that, sometimes."
>>768025697
you're comparing an unborn fetus to a puppy
>>768025697
I don't think that's a good analogy.. Its more like.. Playing the lottery and instead of winning money you lose money everyday for the next 18 years
Of course abortion is a murder. It is a legal way to solve problem of unwanted children in society. In Rome or other ancient society you could kill children under some circumstances, and they're doing this in some primitive society today. We are doing this when children are still in womb. This is civilisation.
>>768025002
>child support from the rape victim
You know this didn't actually happen, right?
>inb4 the graphic with the fake "news article"
>>768026192
>masturbation
A sperm will never be a person unless a series of unlikely events happen to it to change it fundamentally into something totally different. An implanted embryo will become a 90 year old person unless illness or injury cause it's life to end first. This really is the stupidest comparison ever hauled out in abortion debates.
>>768025769
Well i mean even if you get snipped or tubes tied it's possible for you to heal and still accidentally have a child. You seem to be ignorant to this idea though
>>768026164
Sure, you can make that argument, but it's hard to dictate what people should feel, it's kind of a fool's errand.
If a woman gets pregnant from rape, she should have a right to abort. If a woman gets pregnant from being stupid and not using protection, she should not be allowed an abortion.
>>768024080
>>768026137
Well... Should we raid orphanages and slums killing every child we see cause they live miserable lives without love?
>>768026309
Well... You can read... or you have a point somewhere out there?
>>768026456
why? like for real. Most people here argue that the fetus should have some sort of rights. But if this is how you view this, is a fetus that came to be by rape less worth than a fetus from a one night stand? That is what this argument implies.
>>768026463
Children are not the same as embryos, it shouldn't be too difficult to grasp the difference.
>>768026075
Your statement was an attempted mockery, i found it offensive. If that is not what you implied and you truly wondered if legalization would be better, then the answer is yes.
>>768026366
You don't actually believe a court would say that somebody didn't have to pay child support for a child with their dna right? Courts will make men who have actual evidence they are not a child's father pay child support why wouldn't they make somebody who actually is the child's father pay?
>>768026192
>if i masturbate, millions of sperm cells die
>if i dont masturbate, millions of sperm cells die
>if i successfully impregnate woman, millions of sperm cells die while one "lives" via dna replication
Sure. Same thing as war. But you know what? i dont give a fuck. i have a slight of intelligence and brain power which makes me older than most of you retards here. i can understand 4chan before even having been on the site. You can't. All you can do is repeat random garbage because thats all you are. Basically what im trying to say is you're a fucking faggot.
Chomp down another tide pod, precious snowflake.
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>>768026343
If you are buying lottery ticket every day knowing there is litteraly no chance to win don't look surprised when you might win...
>>768026437
Uhm, yes I can make a silly bitch who got herself knocked up feel bad for her lack of responsibility.
>>768026589
I'm sorry you though I was mocking you, I wasn't.
>>768024080
I'm pro-abortion, particularly in red states. red states have the highest teen pregnancy (whites) in the US. these white teens go on welfare, and then have more, and more babies, to get more welfare.
red states are welfare states. relying on welfare and subsidies from blue states to literally survive.
whereas blue states have trillion-dollar GDP's (California is now the World's 5th largest economy).
So yes, I am pro-abortion. ALL red-state mothers should be forced to abort their fetuses.
>>768026386
I mean unless a miscarriage takes place. An embryo is literally 2 meaningless masses of cells stuck together and any number of things can occurrent to prevent your 90 year old from ever existing. Just as much murder as masturbation
>>768026686
Women should not be strutting into abortion clinics like it's some sort of right of passage. It should be considered a shameful thing.
Babies aren't conscious yet. Killing babies isn't wrong. Why should killing fetuses be wrong?
>>768026569
Not the worth, raping isnt something the woman accepts/wants. If the woman is stupid enough to rely on her boyfriends ability to pull out his dick before ejaculation, she accepts the chance of becoming pregnant. Its just stupid that teens get pregnant and kill the baby because they accidentally got pregnant.
>>768026463
I mean it might help the population issue, if only we could get the public behind it
>>768026686
You can try of course, no guarantees it will work, nor does it serve any purpose, so a fool's errand
>>768026767
Because many things are unconscious that we can't kill: people in coma, just born babies, people at dentist, drunk people...
>>768026631
I mean i agree, thats the argument
>>768026530
are you serious?
do I have to point out that the puppy is already born and doesn't live inside of someone for 9 months beforehand?
the whole argument is invalid because the point of abortion is to not deal with an already alive thing before you have to feed it and take care of it
>>768026645
So it could be looked at similarly as identity theft
>>768026694
>California is now the World's 5th largest economy
China must love getting paid from all of Cali's profits.
>>768026828
upholding society's values is a fools errand? ok
>>768026692
Why are you here?
>>768026741
>any number of things can occurrent to prevent your 90 year old from ever existing
Yes like illness or injury. A sperm only has half the dna needed to make a human, an embryo has all. And why does everybody focus on sperm with this argument, if masturbation is murder then any woman having a period who didn't actively go out of her way to get pregnant is guilty of negligent homicide.
>>768026597
Expertly dodged, sir! Bravo!
My point still stands.
There's a cute little image with a smug-looking overweight woman who looks like your typical 30something radfemtumblrsjw cunt, and the wall of text below goes into dramatic detail about how she raped an underage male student and a court found her not guilty and found the young teen boy liable for child support and it's fucking MADE UP!
So, for all the hypothetical "do you really think" personal incredulity retorts, can you show me an actual real life instance where this has ACTUALLY FUCKING HAPPENED IN REAL LIFE?!
That being said, i dont give a fuck. i have a slight of intelligence and brain power which makes me older than most of you retards here. i can understand 4chan before even having been on the site. You can't. All you can do is repeat random garbage because thats all you are. Basically what im trying to say is you're a fucking faggot.
Chomp down another tide pod, precious snowflake.
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>>768026990
It has become one, yes.
>>768027012
I mean yeah, but its easier to relate because we all have dicks
>>768027052
Thank Obama for flushing decency down the shitter.
>>768027006
I'm not a child anymore so I can discuss something without getting aggressive unless the other person deserves it.
>>768025790
>20k+ women who could’ve been alive
Statistically it’s minute, and you can’t argue that. What’s stupid is killing a baby due to simple convenience instead of taking responsibility for your own actions.
>significance when it comes to crime
Give me the stats and types of crimes committed
>not teaching kids about sex
This isn’t the 40’s kiddo any competent parent will teach
>>768026811
i agree that its "stupid" when it comes to unwanted pregnacies, but face reality. People have sex, both young and old, in fact, the highest % of abortions are people who allready have children.
A woman who have been rapes, ofc shes in a terrible posstion, but a woman who have been "unlucky" with condoms/pills are also on a terrible possition, dont force her to put a sharp object into her vag just because you find it "stupid".
>>768026937
Yes. I am serious.
Wast majority of abortions are made for "convenience" reasons. So do pet killings. Why people consider killing your own dog you don't want anymore bad but promote killing your child in development stage because you don't want it anymore?
Once again: if you have baby in you you did something (at least had penis in your pussy for some reason). Baby is just expected result.
Like they say: "What you expected? Plasma TV?"
>>768025996
And if he hadn’t said he’s atheist you would’ve said “hurr durr christian fag”
>>768027118
Sure but you are no longer here supporting the discussion, and despite your attempts at calling me a child i still think your an idiot. Arguing without emotion isn't arguing... Its like meaningless pondering.
>>768024080
I don't believe women should have choices.
>>768026569
When you have consensual sex, be it protected or unprotected, you are also consenting to the possibility of having a baby. Now if you do not give consent for the sex in the first place you shouldn't be forced to have a child. This has nothing to do with the fetus' "worth"
why would it be better for someone who does not have a baby to have one anyways?
I don't understand
>>768027235
Nope, actually would of said "keep your bible to yourself thank you"
>>768026137
You’re still killing for convenience. Saying it’s not murder due to it’s development is immoral and nigger-tier logic
>>768024905
yeah it's really messed up. adoption is still a thing. why not make another family happy if you can't take care of the child. give the child a BETTER future instead of just ending its future.
>>768027156
Regular shitheaded human beings will do anything to not take responsibility for their actions. The government just does the best it can to prevent those actions from destroying anymore than they can. You can argue all day but you're not going to stop anyone
>>768026435
Then don’t have sex unless you accept the risks involved
>>768027231
I was hoping for a new gpu honestly
>>768027103
Stuff changes anon, society is made of a large mass of people, opinions change, and with them the values of society as well.
By all means, give your opinion just don't have any illusions that most people will agree with you, or that you will somehow sway the society to align with your values, so like i said, a fool's errand.
>>768027156
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legalized_abortion_and_crime_effect
Crime stats
Dont even tell me about "this isnt the 40s", you know just as well as i do that there are lots of schools and areas that are afraid of talking about sex, specially in very religios areas.
If you have a way of keeping 20k people alive, you go for it, specially if its just about peoples feelings. Like this is.
>>768026983
drumpftt let's it happen faget
look at drumpfttt suck china's fat hogg. LOOK AT IT!
>>768027351
Because they already made decision to be involved in activity that could result in pregnancy.
>>768027358
Synonymos to what I said
>>768027171
I think its just immature to think that condoms, pills or any other kind of protection gives a 100% immunity to becoming pregnant. One should just be responsible for the things they do. Even if its an accident.
>>768027452
i dont give a fuck. i have a slight of intelligence and brain power which makes me older than most of you retards here. i can understand 4chan before even having been on the site. You can't. All you can do is repeat random garbage because thats all you are. Basically what im trying to say is you're a fucking faggot.
>>768027346
I simply does not agree. having sex shouldnt mean that you should have a kid if you get pregnant, not in the year 2018. Sex has so many other healthy aspects. Limiting it to simply reproduction is a way too simple way to view it.
>>768027363
>Saying it’s not murder due to it’s development is immoral and nigger-tier logic
Suit yourself anon, a cluster of cells that makes up an embryo is not a person, so calling it murder is ridiculous.
I understand that some people see it as regrettable, but to call it murder is hyperbolic and only detracts from your arguments.
>>768027378
>You can argue all day but you're not going to stop anyone
Of course any argument here is purely for entertainment. Should go without saying
>>768027425
Sure i accept the risks but the average retarded human being isn't going to, and you can't stop them. We're animals, you cant stop us from fucking and with overpopulation becoming an issue world wide it is a more acceptable option.
>>768027103
>kek, thanks Obama!
>talking about decency
>drumpftt comes along....
SAD!
>>768027501
>He doesn't pull out even with a condom
>he doesn't punch his balls a few times before sex
>He doesn't jack off hours before he fucks
>He doesn't take two pisses before having sex
>He doesn't put his girl on the pill
>He doesn't put his girl on the birth control shot
>He doesn't fuck her in the ass instead
Are you even trying, cuck fag?
>>768027431
What was taboo is now normal and what was normal is now taboo. Meaning imma go enjoy some handholding and headpats like the sick fuck i am.
>>768027438
>If you have a way of keeping 20k people alive, you go for it
Yeah, don’t abourt unless it’s medically necessary or the way off chance it’s rape or incest
>>768025298
try changing the word "personality" to something more applicable. because this >>768025534
completely destroys your autistic argument
>>768026276
Yes! Excellent! Attack the spelling of a person that don't speak or write english everyday in lack of a real argument! Fucking win!
>>768027458
Yeah like having a social security card and getting your identity stolen
>>768027529
>you let negroids fuck your ass though.
>and you're a drumpftt voter
>>768027529
Copy pasta? Lol
>>768027548
And that's why we invented way to reduce chance of pregnancies. And even simple thing as "Pull out" works in some degree.
Everything depends how big risk you are ready to take.
And tell me, what healthy aspects has sex between two 14 year old teens drunkfucking for first time...
>>768027573
That’s the whole argument, you’re killing a developing baby. If you don’t see that you have no concience or moral values
>>768027640
>>768027636
Would you look at that?
It seems Obama and Hilary aren't feeling so good... and neither are you libtard!
>>768027641
>What was taboo is now normal and what was normal is now taboo
That's how it generally goes, but i wouldn't say that everything that was normal in the past is now a taboo, some stuff sure.
>>768027590
Feel like people here are getting overly heated, wanted to make sure everyone was aware
>>768027727
>drumpftt
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>768027769
a fetus is not a baby, according to medical science.
thus you're only killing the fetus.
abortion is not murder, both medically and legally.
therefore, abortion should be encouraged amongst red states and the religious.
>>768027673
i see how you view it this way, i really do. However, from my point of view you have to prioritise those allready alive. Also, its not like every fetus is a life, because its not. As a proffesor once said (cant remember her name, sadly) " its not life, it has the potensial of life". Most fetuses are destroyed by spotanious abortions, those were also "killed" by your view, and i get it, its hard. But for a modern society, you cant really think this way.
>>768026694
>red states
>blue states
hmm
>>768027636
>>768027452
Touched a nerve?
>>768027548
Yes, thats why people use protection, but they should still know that such methods may fail, and that risk and responsibility are always part of sex regardless of your culture's standards. Irresponsibility should be prevented and not remedied by taking what most of society considers to be human life
>>768027727
DRUMPFFFFFFFFTTTTTTTTTTTTT
>>768027613
If you’re worried about overpopulation then don’t have so many kids. And if you’re so worried about these unwanted kids then the best way to avoid unwanted pregnancies then don’t have sex
Regardless of the morals and ethics of abortion, allowing people to abortion is a economic positive. If you hate the welfare state, single mothers who struggle to raise children, kids who grow up in broken homes and go on to become criminals, then allowing abortion help minimize those problems. Honestly, do you really want people who can't control their sexual urges, financially unprepared to have kids, and naïve enough to not use protection spawning and spreading their genes into the future generation? Even if your argument is that people should live with their poor choices, their choices are going to end up affecting you when you come home one day and realized your home has been burglarized.
>>768027812
Mentioning handholding on a blue board will get you ip banned
>>768027864
Is Fetus a DEVELOPING baby? Medically?
Killing something that is developing is murder or not? Medically?
Killing something that is 1month before born is murder or not? Legally?
if yes, who gets right to consider when "unconscious lump of cells" becomes "human".
>>768027904
would you rather that theise "irresponsible" people become parrents? Given time its doomed to make an even lower class in the society.
>>768027864
Again, complete lack of moral values
>>768027885
Blue States = Trillion Dollar GDP's
Red States = Barely-Million Dollar GDP's (and sucking welfare/subsidies from the Blue State Teet).
It's very sad, red states have failed in every regard. Which simply means that conservatism has failed in every regard.
>>768027769
>That’s the whole argument, you’re killing a developing baby. If you don’t see that you have no concience or moral values
Sure, we are killing a developing baby, the argument however is that the "developing baby" hasn't developed enough to be considered a baby, or a person. So i do not see a problem with it.
Calling abortion murder or killing babies is both incorrect in a medical or legal sense, and hyperbolic.
>>768027971
These people are not swayed by logic. Some brown people wrote a book about a man in the sky and they listen to him instead of themselves.
>>768024357
No it isn't, murder means secret or unlawful killing of another person. Embryos aren't people and it's lawful to abort them.
>>768024080
Right to and easier access to abortion are the single set of laws that have the largest direct effect on crime rate. Not prison, not the death penalty, not gun control, not law enforcement or anything, but abortion. Think about it, if a woman doesn't want to have her kid, but is forced to keep it, that kid probably isn't gonna have a good life growing up. They're more likely to turn to crime, and the family is more likely to be in poverty because they can't provide for this child they never planned to have, and were never able to support.
Also, it's practically eugenics. It promotes (white) wealthy, stable families who can support a child to have kids when they're ready to, and discourages shaquanda from having five kids she can only raise on food stamps with three baby-daddies in prison. Win-win.
>>768027971
THIS.
>>768024452
You should be castrated because I know what's good for you and everyone else.
>>768027884
>because a professor said it it must be inarguable
A spontaneous abortion is not intended, completely different from what you’re arguing
>>768027904
also, its easy to limit the view to "irresponsible teens", but the reality is not this limited. As i said earlier, the majority of people having abortions are people who ALLREADY have children. Given the choice theise people chose to make a better life for their familiy than to bring another child into the world. I'll try to find the source, because none of you people in this tread are putting this to mind.
>>768028061
How about puting all this pro-abortion effort into educating these “irresponsible” parents instead of promoting that is seen as morally wrong
>>768024626
Exactly, any child growing up in an environment where their parents hate it and can't provide for it is absolutely going to turn to crime, or at the least be mentally fucked up and not contribute to society.
>>768028139
If I abort baby of some random woman in street at 7th month of pregnancy by kicking her as hard as i can will I go to jail or could I go free?
"Her body her choice" the living being inside "her" body is not given any choice. Where are the human rights ?! Why should a slut decide who gets to live or not ? Abortion is MURDER. When you fuck you knowingly accept the fact that you can and WILL eventually get pregnant hence accept the fact that a new person will be created and spawn in your uterus. Sluts committing abortion are NOT innocent. They know very well they are KILLING a human being, shielded by the always self contradicting "laws".
>>768028111
At this point you’re just trying to normalize something that’s morally wrong in basically every sense.
>>768027458
but they don't want the child and abortion provides a way to not have it.
so why force them to have it?
>>768024080
it is not desirable, not a solution, also not a crime, it has to be avoided by every mean possible excepting laws or adoption. Those last solutions are what stupid people do.
>>768024492
Imagine the population of the country, the rates of homeless and impoverished, the murders, and other stuff going up while resources go down because people can't abort. Your solution is far more irresponsible than just allowing a potentially unfit mother to wipe away her slate. It's not up to you or anyone to decide people's so-called responsibilities.
>>768028080
you reject science and reality (and likely intellectualism).
science: a fetus is not a baby
legal reality: it's legal to kill the fetus, it's not murder
Ethically: abortion's ok.
Again, red states are a drag on America's economy. Blue States have Wall Street, Tech, Hollywood, and account for America's wealth.
Red States account for America's welfare.
Thus, aborting red state's babies, and perhaps even crop-dusting red states with a chemical cytotoxic would rid us of the filth America's endured for so long.
The Orange Jew's fooling you idiots into believing his lies.
>>768027971
Honestly, thank you holy fuck.
The moral and ethical arguments are never going to stop or be resolved, so just ignore it and judge the issue from a totally objective standpoint. And when you do, there is a clear benefit to abortion.
>>768027952
Better education is all i think we need, and people just not being silly. I dont think it's something the government can say yes or no to
>>768024821
>1$
Go back to 1st grade.
>>768028208
not really, and its not beacuse of this: If you really think this way, wouldnt you want to put lots of money finding a way of preventing this from happening? Think about it, from your point of view i guess that lots of people (more people than die from cancer) die all the time because of this. This should be motivation to find a solution to spontaneous abortion. However, its not alot of research money used on this. If you have this point of view, i find it hard to understand how you're not putting shit loads of cash into funding this kind of research.
>>768027231
this is just a bad comparison.
the dog is already born and is not living inside you for 9 months prior.
what's wrong with convenient abortions?
GF had an abortion - AMA
>>768028412
For same reason why don't allow parents to kill their children if they can't feed then anymore or don't want them for other reasons.
>>768028105
>what is gerrymandering
>/x color/ states have always been /x color/
>liberal fiscal policies working literally at all
they're just more urban.
>>768024080
not a problem
mostly religious nuts who are against it. religion poisons everything
>>768028313
You'd go to jail because you've just battered someone. You can go to jail for kicking anyone at any condition.
>>768028061
I actually do. People get what they deserve, and besides that means cheaper workers. All we gotta do after every nigger slum is filled to the brim is remove all sorts of welfare and heavily militarize the police, once thats done you get much cheaper work force, the economy booms, and the sons of irresponsible and dumb people compete amongst themselves
>>768024080
Which gives a fuck . Let them do whatever the fuck they want
>>768028446
You do understand that Nazis used same reasoning killing handicapped people?
And "World will end if we will not kill people" argument has no basis. Earth could feed 15 billion people easy.
>>768028394
Abortion by definition and etymology is not murder.
>>768024080
Her body her choice. If men were the ones that got pregnant we’d already have devolved an artificial womb so they wouldn’t have to actually carry. Maybe if all these pro lifers put their money where their mouth is they’d have some technology that could help. But they’d rather scream at women and force them to have babies no one wants. Cause those same pro lifers sure as hell ain’t adopting
Worthless idiots who can’t deal with the concept of death especially over a bunch of cells that could turn into life
>>768024080
I think they should have a choice but if they wait like 8 months then that is a bit much. Decide early instead of waiting unitl the thing is almost born. At that point you might as well just be giving birth.
>>768028689
Im glad that you are not in command. Your ego and way of thought is disgusting.
>>768028450
>red states are a drag on America’s economies
>Texas is self-sufficient and has a surplus of revenue
Also, the science behind what is and isn’t a baby is propaganda to make it “ethical” to abort a baby. Science also tells us that even with birth control there’s the risk of pregnancy, yet you refute that fact choose to take the risk instead of being smart and making the choice with the least risk involved
>>768028680
>You'd go to jail because you've just battered someone. You can go to jail for kicking anyone at any condition.
Are you sure that "pregnancy" will have no effect to my punishment?
>>768024080
If it her choice, it's also his choice.
If he wants the baby killed despite her wishes, then is should be forced.
If that sounds too hard, maybe abortion is wrong in the first place.
Even Ben shapiro agrees there are some situations where abortion is reasonable. Such as the mother's life being endangered by the fetus, and rape babies.
>>768024270
>>768028847
>im glad that you are not in command
Dont be so sure lol
If it has no ability to survive on its own it can't possibly have a right to live
>>768028592
>"liberal fiscal policies don't work"
Why do economies are thrive more under Democratic Presidents?
>trump tweets, the Dow drops 600 points.
>why aren't red states wealthier?
>why isn't there a larger conservative population if "conservatism has succeeded", as you lie?
>>768028781
>Her body her choice. If men were the ones that got pregnant we’d already have devolved an artificial womb so they wouldn’t have to actually carry. Maybe if all these pro lifers put their money where their mouth is they’d have some technology that could help. But they’d rather scream at women and force them to have babies no one wants. Cause those same pro lifers sure as hell ain’t adopting
So.. .Why women don't put money where they mouth is and take responsibility to their own bodies not getting pregnant at first place?
>>768028558
We’re not trying to cure death, and your strawman argument has no logic. Also, there has been research done in this matter. Where do you think preventive care during pregnancy comes from?
>>768024080
My opinion is that people murdering other people, including children, should be executed. Doesn't matter to me if the child is born or not.
I also believe that abortion lies within a realm of non-rationality. You can know most of the facts and still be pro/con. Same with, e.g., the death penalty.
>>768024080
Pro-choice.
Also if a man does not want a child then he should not owe child support/alimony bullshit.
>>768028586
the child is already born, this isn't a valid comparison.
we're talking about an unwanted and unborn fetus, not a child
>>768024080
Abortion disproportionately affects nigs and spics, so it's a win for everybody
>>768029013
What fact of birth changes?
If that lump of cells falls out of vagina somehow it becomes bad to kill it?
>>768028716
No, Nazis used far different reasoning. The Nazis wanted to purge people they arbitrarily saw as unfit to live to establish a pure white society free of defects. I'm advocating for bodily autonomy and personal responsibility.
Not to mention it is a valid argument when you consider the U.S.' poor job market, the already tedious crime situation, and the prevalence of unwanted pregnancies among the poor and impoverished. You'd just be adding on and weighing down our economy.
>>768028965
im fairly sure.
>>768024080
I care none about human life so I'm pro choice.
>>768028854
you could only name 1 red state that's self-sufficient.
that's sad, isn't it. and a lie by omission on your part (lying seems to be the republicans' forte).
you nix science, because you a religious cretin.
FACT: There is no god.
Experiment: Blow your head off right now, and see for yourself.
>>768028991
no, we are not. However, its not alot of money going to this kind of research. Not if you compare it to cancer research, or something similar. Its not making sense.
>>768028826
Most do decide early. Late term abortions are rare and in most cases are to save the mothers life or they know the baby is stillborn. The other cases are from crazy prolifers lying to get potential abortions canceled. They tell them they can get late term abortions and try to trick them into keeping the baby. By the time they decide it really is no it’s too late to get the abortion
>>768024270
"oh noooo you just killed one human cell. How dare you desecrate god's gift to you, that cell had a personality and a life oh my goooood how dare you i walked bob dylan on stage in 1975"
>>768028988
Nice victim blaming there. Most prolifers are against birth control and planned parenthood which provides birth control. So they shouldn’t have sex. Or get raped. Or own shit if they dont want to get robbed. Go kys
>>768029121
Ignorance is bliss, i guess
>>768028586
If you want the true reason,
The child already had human interaction and there are other humans who like him, that would be sad/angry if you kill it
Fetus on the other hand are just disgusting lumps of meat and the only other person that ever touched it is the mother so Noone else really can miss it
>>768029096
You do understand that "We will allow to prevent children from birth" will lead to "We will give permissions to birth" in hard times and "We will exterminate people who are not beneficial to society" when times hits really hard?
Imagine another Vietnam War or WW3 and US looses 60% of their male population, and issues law "Children of single mothers will be exterminated to prevent famine".
>>768028987
>trump becomes president
>dow hits record highs never seen before
capitalism, free market and small government are the only reasons America is as successful as it is, period. Liberal politicians promise free shit and handouts, everyone loves that but no one sees the consequences. Red states nowadays tend to be more rural. Also fucking
>gerrymandering
there are no red and blue states, it's fucking bullshit.
>>768028856
The law assumes the woman intends to carry to full term, and by killing the embryo, you're depriving her of her reproductive rights as well as a future child, should the embryos be sufficiently bethwacked to cause death. Because of that, they've ruled it a murder attempt but have made it distinct from abortion. You went in with the intent to deprive someone else of their right to have a child by killing her embryo so naturally you'd get a heavier sentence. Conversely an abortion is a woman doing as pleases or needs with her own body.
>>768029092
once it's out it's basically it's own person right
no longer tethered to the life of its mother so no one should have the right to kill it
>>768028912
He doesn't have to carry it though, which means her being forced violates her bodily autonomy.
>>768029313
>Nice victim blaming there. Most prolifers are against birth control and planned parenthood which provides birth control. So they shouldn’t have sex. Or get raped. Or own shit if they dont want to get robbed. Go kys
Where do you see victim here?
You had sex, you get pregnant. Don't pretend that someone else was responsible for your actions (Excluding 0.1% of pregnancies caused by rape)
>>768029401
If you want to see liberal economic policies at work, look at fucking illinois and michigan, in copious amounts of debt with stupid high taxes and absolutely riddled with political corruption.
>>768028988
>condom breaks
>pregnant
>goes to doctor
>well anon guess you're screwed because you're irresponsible!
Moron.
>>768029353
>Fetus on the other hand are just disgusting lumps of meat and the only other person that ever touched it is the mother so Noone else really can miss it
That unborn child could have family that would love him.
That fat neckbeard who is in coma after drug overdose was living under bridge for last 50 years. Nobody ever will love him.
Why we should kill possibility and preserve inevitability?
>>768029388
Slippery slope fallacy.
>>768029132
>>>768028854 (You) #
you could only name 1 red state that's self-sufficient.
That’s because this is my homestate. I don’t need to have the economic stats for all 50 states
>you nix science, because you a religious cretin
Didn’t mention religion once, and your falling back to ad hominems shows you have no argument
>FACT: There is no god
No relevance to the argument at hand. If you want to relate morality and basic human decency to religion then that shows what a piece of shit you really are
>>768024795
wimmins cant exercise freedom of choice about letting niggers nut in their cunts. They want freedom of choice afterwards
>>768024080
Not if it wasn’t his choice to cum inside of her.
>>768029606
Your insurance won't pay if you closed the door, but not the windows.
should be illegal for white children
>>768029727
"Slippery slope" is not a fallacy, it's a reality.
>>768029894
in some cases sure, but you took it way too far
>>768029606
>buy shitty condom
>accidentally create a human
>not irresponsible
U r a dumb i fuked ur mom kid
>>768029894
The slippery slope itself is, but you're invoking its fallacious equivalent by including unlikely scenarios and assuming that'd be the only results by allowing Roe v. Wade to stand.
>>768024179
I see no logic in this. You are a retarded incel
>>768030002
Even the good ones fail.
>>768029711
if the mother wants to get rid of the child, it's not going to be growing up with a family that would love him.it's going to be nine months of torment, stress and fear for the mother, followed by 18 years of financial horrors and one fucked up kid, way morelikely to resort to crime.
>>768029435
So.. If fetus has value by the law and by destroying that value i made a crime, why woman can destroy same value if she wants?
If I destroyed something that was not alive in another persons body at time of destroying it (doctors do it couple months after getting pregnant. I will do couple months before birth. Semantics) and made no damage to woman body itself (At least less damage than abortion would do) why should it influence my sencence?
in worst case it should be just destruction of property and I should be fine just with 200$ fine.
>>768029606
Why woman wasn't on the pill?
Not like man should be responsible. He is not the one who can get pregnant.
>>768024080
i don't understand man
leaving all the ethics aside
why would you want to spend insane amounts of money for an abortion instead of using one of many birth control methods
>>768029727
And "We all will starve to death if we will not allow abortion"
is not slippery slope?
>>768024080
Abortion should be legal for the same reason that Euthanization should be legal. Morally, I don't think a mother should abort a child if they can afford to raise them and give them a good life. However, if the mother is not capable of giving the child a good life, or the child has a defect that would prevent him/her from having a good life, the abortion should be done for the benefit of society. Same thing with Euthanization for elderly or sick. If they're like 90 years old and on their death bed, can't even remember their family due to Alzheimer's or Dementia, it's time for them to go. I remember how miserable my family was when my Great Grandma started getting Alzheimer's and couldn't really move anymore. It was a huge drain on everyone and we all just wished she would go, even though nobody said anything.
>>768029711
You can't love somebody that you don't even know
Possible futures are not relevant
>think of the children the women could get later if she aborts now
Cunt
>>768024080
I see it this way...
What a human creates inside it's body is no ones business. If a female doesn't have the legal right to abort her own pregnancy, than she isn't treated like a human but like a breeding machine.
Also being born is what makes a human a human. Life has no legal ground before it's being born.
>>768024357
A zygote is a cell. If a woman wants to stop that cell from becoming a baby whatever, saying that is murder is retarded. I bet you support the death penalty, don't support food stamps, after school lunch programs, the childhood insurance program, meals on wheels, because republicans care more about a fucking cell then the do about human lives, especially black people, because they are retarded walking cancer
Tldr; kill yourself
>>768029940
Oh, I'm not the guy from above, should have mentioned that, sorry. :)
>>768024287
Murder of a clump of cells? You kill way more cells when you masturbate 10 times a day looking at gore.
>>768030067
In next bed in hospital will be single mother who wanted child, but she died in labor and child was given to adoption.
How differ lives of baby would be?
>>768030067
>followed by 18 years of financial horrors and one fucked up kid
Adoption, orphanage.
>>768024492
It's a cell. Calm down incel. Stupid people are becoming less common in the age of technology, so I know things are very scary for you, being autistic yourself, but there is a solution. You can kill yourself, because you and your mashed potato brains are useless in this life.
>>768024523
The only other contries that think like this are in the middle east.
>>768030375
>followed by 18 years of financial horror for the taxpayers and one fucked up kid
>>768030292
>especially black people, because they are retarded walking cancer
They are, aren't they?
She should be able to delete it if she wants to. Especially mudbabies. I don't want any more nigger children running around.
>>768024626
Jesus did you use a time machine to get here from the 1950s?
>>768024080
in my opinion if the fetus is not born is property of the woman and she can decide on her own
>>768030479
Don't forget that most kids in orphanages wind up in the prison system! But that's for profit, so that's ok. You know what, we need to ban abortions to inflate the prison system even more, to grow the economy. 25% of the population is not nearly enough we need at least 50%. We will all be rich off of the horrible lives of these children that shouldn't have been here in the first place
>>768030076
Please reread the post, I've already refuted that claim.
>>768030479
>>followed by 18 years of financial horror for the taxpayers and one fucked up kid
It's up for the taxpayers to decide if they want to finance that service. (If they don't, there's still charity and the Church.)
Also, the orphanage where I live seems to be fine. But that's in Germany, I don't know about the US.
>>768024837
He meant banning abortions kills women.
>>768030292
No. Zygote is developing cluster of cells programed to grow into fully functional human being. Go back to biology class.
And yes. I support death penalty (punishment for persons decisions), don't support food stamps (If you have arms - you can get a job), after school lunch/meals on wheels (Whatever these are, we don't have those here), and childhood insurance is guaranteed to everyone who pay taxes in any developed country.
>>768030152
What if she was and she still got pregant? Pills good or bad, adhered to or not still fail.
>>768030224
Strawman.
>>768024892
He knew what he was doing when he fucked her, he has to live with it. Don't was to owe child support don't get a girl pregnant.
>>768030729
Once again. She knew that there is 8% )in reality less than 1%) chance she will get pregnant. She agreed with terms and conditions. She must live with consequences.
>>768025002
Yeah that is just bullshit.
>>768030667
>Don't forget that most kids in orphanages wind up in the prison system!
In the US? You guys probably should do something about your orphanages!
>>768030752
>You'd just be adding on and weighing down our economy.
>> "You'd just be adding on and weighing down our economy."
>>768024850
All this shit about birth control. They don't even understand how it works. An egg still get dropped and it can be fertilized it just has no where to grow. If you believe in life at conception then birth control pill are abortion.
>>768030853
It's not like it's a contract with the company though, why do you think you can decide if she should face alleged consequences?
>>768030706
That bubbling mass of cells is not a life. But you're a hypocrite. You: "Omg life is so important even a cluster of cells that means nothing, feels nothing and is nothing is an important gift from god!" Also you: if someone commits a crime murder them! Yeah fucking kill I'm! I don't care how many people die that are innocent each year! Fuck those faggots they can get jobs, even when most people need 2 jobs just to support a family, no help for those greedy niggers! No good for them either if their too poor/disabled to get their own food fuck those fucking faggots their lives mean NOTHING!"
You are fucking retarded
Also republicans in the US are currently trying to eliminate the childhood insurance program, you are a dumb hillbilly incel cuck and you're probably smelly, which is why no one will love you
>>768030941
"Weigh down economy" does not mean "starve to death."
Btw, should duels be legal?
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>>768031145
So many arguments.... How I could even stand against them...
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