Hillary won by 3 million votes
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Hillary won by 3 million votes
>>751590118
>Winning chess by having the most pieces.
>>751590118
>wining tumblr by killing the most whites
>>751590118
Educate yourself Libshit.
Yes we know. Hillary had more individual votes than Donald.
However, due to the way that votes are counted in America via the Electoral College (a completely obsolete and outdated function, by the way, which is pointless in this day and age) the technical winner of the election (minus the Russian interference, the admitted vote altering, et cetera) plus or minus a few million legitimate votes was: Donald Trump.
Am I happy about it? No. Would I be happier with Shillary? Nope.
It was a vote between a Giant Douche and a Turd Sandwich. If you refute this, or hold any emotional support of EITHER candidate, you are a literal PAWN in THEIR GAME.
((((THEIR)))))) GAME
>>751590118
No, Hillary lost by 77 votes.
>>751590291
Shitshow 2016.... I called it
>>751590118
As a Hillary voter let me just say;
Who the fuck cares, that's not how this game is won, she needs to go the fuck away now.
>>751590290
well, if you live in the grey zones, then you're probably a badger or a rock or something, and shouldn't get the right to vote.
logic 101
>>751590323
As a survivor of Hillary's bid at the presidency, fuck you for trying to genocide us.
>>751590118
>posting baby cartoons
>being autistic
>>751590307
Those are ELECTORAL COLLEGE votes, not citizens votes, you dumby dumb.
>>751590290
>>751590243
>>751590150
>2017 A.D
>being this triggered over an actual bait post lmao
>>751590319
America is headed toward very dark times. I could explain but a bunch of triggered trump turds would get very mad and start posting their beloved cuck porn lol
>>751590413
>genocide us
who's us?
>bracing for incoming derp
>>751590290
Which is why state legislatures are,a thing.
>>751590472
> Those are ELECTORAL COLLEGE votes, not citizens votes, you dumby dumb.
Yeah. She lost by 77.
If we count other things that don't win you the election, Trump won by billions of dollars and fifty IQ points.
>>751590118
>Hillary won California by 3 million votes
fixd
But it doesn't matter how much of a landslide she had there, those votes don't count in the other states. If you lose 9 out of 10 games, you still lose even if you won that one game by over 3 millioin points.
>>751590118
I want to have sexual intercourse with ladybug
TL;DR: Land should have the right to vote, not people.
>>751590290
Because... Land has voting rights? Why does it matter WHERE in the U.S.A. people live when it comes to national elections? A person is a person and a vote should be a vote.
>>751590569
>we count other things that don't win you the election
I didn't run for the election. A Giant Douche and a Turd Sandwich did. The fact that you're sitting here trying to tell me that Trump has at least fifty IQ points (but can't spell coffee) tells me you're a Russian shill
CYKA
Who cares?
>>751590742
Learn how to bait you stupid nigger
>>751590569
>Trump
>billions of dollars
I'll believe that when he gets around to releasing his tax returns.
>>751590709
>because they don't vote the way I want them to so they're not on my team so they should die
>>751590742
Hey man, if he was even able to put covfefe on something, that means he has his autocorrect off ALL the time.
Give him props for never making any other spelling mistake.
>>751590569
So long as we are deciding the win by things that are irrelevant had a more attractive spouse so he should definetly be president.
>>751590472
>Current Year
>Thinking I'm Triggered
Ishyggydyggydoo
>>751590709
If you couldn't understand that the picture was representing people, there's no hope for you.
A person does have a vote. They vote for who they want, and they either win or lose in their state, which has electoral college representation proportional to the population.
>>751590118
Rule 34 of Ladybug now
>>751591699
fail
>>751591716
this
>>751590118
Do you know what she didn't win?
The election.
>>751590396
Because those who deserve to vote in degenerate urban cities. Rigggghhht
Because your capacity to make educated decisions come from your location. Rigggghhht
Because getting brainwashed by unis that are subsidized and have clear political interests makes you more enlightened. Righhhhhtt
>>751591716
I'll just google search some
>>751590118
That was two election cycles ago
Give it up.
No one cares anymore.
She was no more fit for the office than Donald was. She deserved to lose.
We had two miserable fuckups competing for the prize, and one of the two fuckups won it.
It's been almost a year. Move on.
>>751590290
yeah in a democracy those people in the gray should have to live by majority rule like it or not
>>751590291
>WAAAAAAAAAAAAA VOTES FROM OTHER REGIONS OUTSIDE CALIFORNIA COUNT TOO
>WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
>>751590118
building up instead of out is really fucking a lot of cities
>>751591842
>degenerate urbanites aren't even related to their wife
>brainwashed by education and learning rather than jesus and biblecamp
>all education i need is /pol/
not finding too much quality in these.. i'll keep looking
>>751591711
Sounds like the sort of game someone would play if they wanted to veto the people's will.
This one actually looks ok
>>751590396
That pretty weak b8 m8, Sharia blue isnt getting its best from you...
>>751592350
>Sharia blue
>random buzzwords
>>751590396
Kill yourself, neoliberal.
>>751590118
she didnt win anything besides a meaningless popularity contest. the people of the united states cant and dont vote for the president
>>751592782
tough on the internet, weak irl.
>>751590118
Ya and al gore won Florida.. republicans own this country and they are hell bent on destroying it
>>751592797
This mindset is exactly why people don't vote and this country continues to suck
>>751590290
>imagine being so self-important that you truly think your vote is worth more than someone else's because you live in bum-fuck nowhere.
Jesus, these people are retarded AND have their vote has more power in an election; it's a fucking disaster for liberty.
>>751590290
Here this is slightly less misleading
>>751593351
The Democrat Party needs to die for running a fake primary. I don't give a fuck what their corporate rights are. The people have a right to tell one of the two corporations presuming to be the government to go fuck itself for putting our public wealth up for ransom in the first place.
>>751593420
Actually, people fail to vote because the bulk of the people literally have no dog in the fight thanks to all the anti-commie laws from the 20th century.
>>751590118
Then they got deported, so they don't count. Then they told people they could only vote once no matter where they vote and had to be alive and she lost by 15000000
>>751593124
Mean in the streets, weak under the sheets.
>>751593625
Replace democrat with Republican and I agree
>>751592477
>Libs are so unfunny they have to photoshop other peoples political memes
>>751590118
We'll never know if this is true until Democrats stop resisting the probe into voter fraud.
>>751593874
Kill yourself, democrat shill.
t.commie who would personally take pleasure in very slowly killing you right-wing dems
>>751594007
But that might lead back to the primary, and then what?
>>751593815
never mind. weak on the internet as well.
>>751593874
Are you ignorant to what the DNC did and how it was run during the election? Perhaps you need to look into it a little. See how dirty pool works in the democrat party. Trump didn't buy off his primary opponents, Hillary did. When Bernie couldn't be bought, she simply bought the primary election machine- the DNC.
>>751594072
And then Democrat voters might finally see the totalitarian nature of their party as the nomination was basically given to Hillary behind closed doors even before the first primary vote was cast.
>>751590118
>all these people getting triggered by a bait thread meant to make trumpettes mad and make liberals look whiney
Holy shit you motherfuckers are dense. Stop playing politics on anonymous image boards.
>>751594447
>>751590118
The Electoral College system isn't exactly new, everyone knew EXACTLY how shit would be won at the end of the day. Everyone knew from the start that you can win the popular vote and still lose the election. Regardless, it's already been PROVEN that Hillary had outside help, is a criminal, and will change her "views" to gain following. The only thing still being held to Trump this day is the alleged Russian interference, which has not been and most likely never will be proven.
>>751594167
It's almost like the left can't meme.
>>751594631
>PROVEN
lock her up lock her up lol nice
>>751590472
>>2017 A.D
>>being this triggered over an actual bait post lmao
They didn't seem triggered, just replying to the thread. Damn you're stupid.
>>751590472
tumblrfag detected
>>751594246
Ya they did screw Bernie I'll give you that
>>751593984
Libs can't meme... so true... go ahead, assume its gender too, lets see how freaked out it gets.
>>751590118
>Hillary won by 6 gorillion votes
>>751594043
That's some lazy bait there Trevor
>>751594721
>brags about maymays
i don't think you're old enough to be on this website.
>>751590118
yup .dem nigs wanted them gib me dats.
>>751590118
So what ?
>>751590118
>B-but s-she got more votes
>She deserves to be president
>>751591976
America isn't a democracy
>>751594963
Bernie will survive if he and his wife don't do time over the Burlington college fraud. Meanwhile he enjoys his lavish homes and vacation properties..
. Comrade did well considering he was kicked out of a commune for not being willing to work.
>>751595694
>lavish
Kill yourself, democrat shill.
>>751595850
Here you go. I don't make shit up.
They think he is worth 800k-1mil but that doesn't count the unreported benefits, etc.
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2016/08/bernie-sanders-summer-house
>>751590291
It is neither obsolete nor outdated. If the Electoral College is outdated then so is the Senate, because they serve the same purpose: to balance majority rule.
The founders didnt believe in true democracy because that inevitably leads to the majority voting to suppress the rights of the minority, and justifying it because they voted. This is why America is not a democracy. It is a republic.
>>751590118
well clearly she didn't win dumbass
>>751595588
It's a democratic republic
Strange the democrats can't win
>>751590118
Yes, the votes of 3 million illegal immigrants.
>>751591905
More Ladybug feet.
He won like a year ago
Why are you still bitching about the fact your side lost
>>751593440
You are dumbass. You reply to a picture you dont even get. If clumps of votes (in blue) get all the power THEN WE DONT HAVE DEMOCRACY. The gray is not nowhere is most of the country and is populated. YOUR vote is not more important than others. We have the electoral college to make even between states not cities. Majority votes turn into state votes. That changes the numbers.
>>751593351
>Al Gore won florida.
Should I tell him or should you?
>>751591976
This is precisely why America isnt a democracy, so that the 49% doesn't have to live according to the whim of the 51%.
>>751595247
>get over it, we won
>2008-2016
>>751596281
The Senate IS. The 17th amendment need repeal. It needs to be restored as the State government appointed senators. As is, it is a shitshow. These fucks do not represent the states they represent their personal ambitions.
>>751596716
>>751596828
So instead the 51 has to live with the 49?
I mean I agree with the electoral college but your logic is flawed.
>>751596826
yeah, and all we got out of that was 9/11, GWOT, Iraq War, ISIS...kind of makes you wish we'd rethought that decision.
>>751596971
I didn't say that. This is where the Electoral college comes in. This is where the Senate comes in. To balance the power of the majority to vote to take away the rights of the minority.
>>751597055
Still better than man bear pig forcing more products on us than obongo care for the sake of trying to stop a natural earth cycle.
>>751590118
Do me a favor there, Chief. Read through the US Constitution and let me know if you find the phrase "popular vote" in there anyplace relating to the election of the president.
Go on, I'll wait.
Why do so many people think the US is a democracy? It isn't, it is a Constitutional Federal Republic.
>>751590118
> 3 million niggers
Fixed that for you.
>>751597055
Actually, these are things that happened a s a direct result of inaction by Bill Clinton (9/11), and Obama (ISIS). The other was Bush.
>>751597414
Because that's what democratically run public schools teach
>>751597583
/thread.
>>751593124
>>751597746
And what democratically run news networks preach
She's also a cunt so it balances out
>>751590290
"Man I wish my city's county in had the same power as the county with a population of 3000"
>>751598047
It does
>>751598100
not per person. each redneck's voting power is way higher than that of humans.
>>751596281
The Electoral College hardly serves as an effective buffer between mob mentality and majority rule. There are no debates between electoral voters over who should be president; most in fact are required by law to vote in line with their state's outcome and the rest do it anyways. So what you end up with is majority's will by each individual state distorting the real majority will of the entire nation.
The Senate, on the other hand, holds debates, forums, commissions, investigations, drafts policies, listens to experts, negotiates, and at times votes for necessary legislation that the majority of their constituents disagree with.
The two are completely and utterly different in form and function.
But American democracy is fucking stupid. The electoral college is probably the most well-known distortion of elections but you also have gerrymandering which draws districts for the intention of partisan gain, regardless of how realistically they represent the political ideologies of their residents.
Honestly, America would be much better off under a European style of democracy. It better balances the will of the people with the need to keep hold of mob mentality.
>>751590118
https://twitter.com/davelozo/status/796040005101699072?lang=en
>>751598229
And it takes more redneck states to elect someone than it does demos.
>>751596943
>Assuming the Senate would be less corrupt if state leadership picked our senators instead of citizens
Kek.
>>751590396
>blue areas are mostly urban crime ridden nigger filled shitholes
SORRY cunt, I'm not missing out on anything living on the grey
>>751592163
kek. Doing god's work, anon.
>>751590118
Hillary lost according to the electoral college, which worked as designed to prevent mob rule by the largely liberal metropolitan areas. Also, eat a dick, you butthurt faggot.
>>751596112
>a whole fucking million dollars
Sorry, nigger, this isn't DEA court. You're the one who's got to prove that's outside of his means as a normal US Senator.
>>751596281
>balance
The founders were a bunch of rich shits protecting their own right to jew others out of their property. Fuck them.
>>751598689
>mob rule
Because being ruled by aristocrats is so much better. How's that learned helplessness working out for you, cuck?
>>751598389
The senators could be summarily removed by the state assembly (if the 17th was repealed) whereas now they only get voted out or impeached. So yeah. Crack a tome, anon
>>751590290
I don't really understand.
Electoral votes are allocated by a state's number of Congressional representatives and senators, not by county. Beyond this, Washington D.C. has three electoral votes. So a city (and blue area) of roughly 600,000 has as much power as Delaware (grey area), pop. 900.000, in determining who becomes President.
In other words, because of the electoral college, some people's votes matter more than others. Imagine how that feels?
>>751590118
ok, I hate Trump. I really do. but it was her election to lose. and, she did. stupid bitch shouldnt have acted so entitled. fucking cunt fucked us all out of laziness. fucking cunt.
>>751599129
You think a state assembly would be anymore inclined to remove a Senator than the voters are?
>>751598504
ok, moose. chill out. i'm impressed a cloven hoof animal is even able to type. how was fall in the forest? did you get a lot of berries?
Question for European fags...
Does the EU ever vote on anything? If they do, how are the votes counted? By country?
>>751599034
Not begrudging his millions, good on him for making money for himself. But when he suggests that the government use the treat of jail against me and all people who work hard for a living to provide free shit for the poor and lazy - maybe he should sell off all his shit since he seems to care so much about these poor lazy fucks and pay them out of his own fucking pocket. I hate bullies. Fuck all of them
I love the part where she rented the building with the huge glass ceiling because she thought she would win and the building choice would be symbolic.
then she lost, and it was funny.
>>751599034
>being in this much denial
Also no matter how you spin it, allowing crowded shithole cities decide how an entire country to be ran is retarded.
Try new York State for example, due to NYC being part of the state, the majority of laws in New York are solely based off the city when the rest of the state is largely rural.
Taxes are sky high to support the city, laws that don't make sense in the countryside are from the city and infrastructure like electricity goes to the city.
I pay a 200 dollar a month school tax just because of NYC despite living 4 hours away from there. You would think that having a nuclear plant 6 miles from my house would drop energy costs, you're dead wrong, the majority of the electricity goes to the city.
Your argument doesn't hold water, friend
MAGA
>>751599466
>t.Hayek
I think neoliberals should be executed by the state if the people haven't done it first. Prove me wrong.
>>751599430
ok, jamal. chill out. i'm impressed a lesser ape animal is even able to type. how was welfare day in the city? did you get a lot of hoes?
>>751599492
>cities are actually a drain on the rest of us
Revolution when?
>>751599649
>did you get a lot of hoes?
ask your mom
>>751599492
>denial
kek?
>allowing crowded shithole cities decide how an entire country to be ran is retarded.
Then obviously the country is too damn big and needs to break up. Don't blame me for a bunch of idiotic lines that you can't change or opt out of.
Also, you still need to prove me wrong that Madison's interest in muh tyranny of the majority was motivated by defense of the wealthy, or "opulent" classes as he called them, against the people who might not agree that the exclusive rights of the self-important are worth suffering for.
>>751599442
Not EU fag but I am somewhat knowledgeable about politics.
The EU has a parliament. Each country has a certain number of MEPs (representatives) based on population, with the max ceiling of 750 MEPs plus one President, who is chosen by the MEPs. Elections are held every five years. The President serves for 30 months.
>>751599442
Switzerland has plebiscites fairly frequently on various questions of interest to the people. Other countries also put big questions directly to their voters. "Most democratic" US my ass.
>>751590118
go to bed boris
>>751599422
Well think. Local government is immediately accountable to the people in a way that the far away federal government isn't. Dig?
>>751599492
Fuck MAGA idiot.
Washington D.C., a city, holds as much electoral sway as the entire state of Delaware because of the electoral system.
The outcome of Presidential elections in your state is still largely based on NYC, because your electoral voters will vote in line with the majority of voters and voters are disproportionately in NYC.
>>751599600
I disagree with the violence. I agree with the sentiment. Problem is so many fools fall for free shit, get some free shit, or think they deserve free shit. But they too autist to know shit aint free.
>>751599600
you're a really shitty troll faggot
>>751600796
1. More people pay attention to Congressional elections than local ones.
2. State legislatures are voted on at the same time and frequency as Congressional representatives, so they're hardly more accountable.
3. More people can name their Congressional representative than their state legislative representative.
Because she rigged the primaries
They weren't voting as pro-hillary, just as anti-trump
They literally picked a socialist Jew over her, let that sink in
>>751601111
>people pay attention to Congressional elections
they do?
nice quads btw
As much as I don't like Hillary Clinton, the Electoral College needs to be scrapped. If you need an explanation, watch CGP Grey's video on it since he puts it better than I could.
>>751601175
you literally picked your ass and rubbed it on the thread
>>751601225
Nixon almost scrapped it.
http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-electoral-college-history-20161219-story.html
>>751601256
Yeah
And the kicker is, it's still true
>>751601352
I know. I can smell it.
>>751601208
>nice quads btw
Thanks, bro. It's nice to know we can put our political differences aside to recognize quads.
>they do?
They pay more attention to it, but not necessarily enough attention. Talk to your buds at the bar some night about politics. Chances are, they know very little. But most likely, they will know more hot button federal issues like ObamaCare, immigration, and defense than whatever much more boring (but often more important) issue is being debated at the state level.
>>751601336
"But hope for a change to the electoral college quickly faded.
Mark Weston, a historian of the electoral college and author of the “The Runner-Up Presidency,” said the amendment was filibustered and finally killed in the Senate by a group of Southern senators concerned that states with large populations would dominate elections. "
sounds familiar
>>751601111
QUADS
There is apathy, agreed. But the point of the senate being appointed versus popular election was to balance the democratic will of the people with the political will of the state.
I know, I'm some cuck for educating you. You dick slapped me with quads. SO we are even
>>751590150
>n-dimensional chess
>>751601505
Can't have those Yankees running the country, what with their refusal to enforce the Fugitive Slave Act and insistence on desegregation.
>>751601429
So, are you denying the primaries were rigged against Bernie or do you realize you can't make your argument without losing so you resort to name-calling and potty humor?
>>751601111
Why do we accept that the elites in some other place be given the power to rule? We are self governing. We being the states. The states created the federal government, not the other way around. The feds ought be accountable to the states. States have rights.
OP HERE
EAT A DICK STRAIGHT UP
>>751601753
>potty humor
oh I'm sure you have a myriad of nicknames for Madame Secretary, kek
>>751601753
Doesn't matter. Trump would have destroyed Sanders.
>>751601225
Whether or not the electoral college should be scrapped isn't the issue. The issue is that relying on popular vote is a complete failure alternative. So unless you can come up with a better alternative to the electoral college (popular vote should not have even the slightest consideration), then we are keeping the EC.
We are called the UNITED STATES of America, not the UNITED PEOPLE of America. States are the base units that represent our country, not individual people. When you look at any typical map of the USA, what do you see? I sure as hell don't see a people population map. I see it split by states. Therefore the election for our leader had better rely on the states in a fair way and not the people. If the popular vote decided everything then I GUARANTEE that states would attempt to cede from the country if too many elections are decided by elites in 1% of the surface area of the country.
>>751601776
>muh state's rights
The Feds are accountable to the states. People are free to elect a Senator who they believe best represents the interests of their state.
>>751598269
here is my solution we toss out elections all together and become comrades under dictator trump and kill off any political enemies.
>>751601225
>CGP Grey
the first sentence states his conclusion as a premise. logic for tots
>>751601834
No, it would've been a tough fight for Trump
I kind if cheered when Hill won the primaries, because I knew Trump vs Hillary would be easier than Trump vs Bernie
>>751601812
No, not involving what Indians do in the street at least
>>751590118
she's not President, she WON nothing.
>>751601840
That sounds like some pretty lofty bullshit in the 21st Century, anon. And abolishing the College doesn't diminish a state as a government as long as they comply with the US Constitution. And it is split up by population.
Look at a night time map of the US.
>>751601963
Invariably when they get to washington they become cucks to the political whims of the party.
>>751602076
oh so you have a shit fetish
that explains a lot
>>751602188
You're the one who brought up all this ass-wiping stuff, but nice try with that projection
>>751602143
The biggest shortcoming of the electoral college is exactly also represented by your brightness map. People have a VERY high degree of locality in their political opinions such that when you break it down enough, areas are typically 80%+ republican or 80%+ democrat. The amount of areas that are very closely split are extremely rare or else there'd be fighting in the streets in those areas.
So since there's a very high degree of locality, then just like that brightness map, if the bright areas are democrats, then the country is literally decided by only the light and those who live in the darkness will literally feel like they live in the darkness and are not seen in the slightest. They will feel worthless when everyone in the light decides every election. The dark states will cede from the country guaranteed when things don't go their way long enough. That's why the popular vote is a failure.
>>751602181
Same thing would happen if they were elected by state legislatures, which are made of members of the same two parties who often push legislative agendas which are drawn up in advance by their party's national committees.
The political system is cucked at every level.
>>751590118
That is like saying the Broncos beat the Bengals because they got more offensive yardage. Pure retardism
>>751602451
I mean biggest shortcoming of the popular vote
>>751602143
let's suppose you have an election for someone, and only texas and rhode island are allowed to vote.. if texas votes for one person, and rhode island votes for the other... by popular vote, texas would always be the one who picks. this is why we have the electoral college, because some of our states fall that way, texas usually votes republican, new york usually goes democrat, etc... we have this system in place so that people from one party or the other don't massively outweigh the other, we give each state a sort of point value in the EC, that way big ass texas can't outvote little old rhode island just based on sheer size alone.
>>751602351
Faggot you tried to wipe your ass with this thread. Don't deny it. >>751601175
>>751602451
>then the country is literally decided by only the light and those who live in the darkness will literally feel like they live in the darkness
which they do. live in the darkness.
>>751602076
I'm telling you, man: People who are so cucked as to vote for Bernie would never in a million years vote for Trump. Polling data shows most voted for Clinton or that Jill Stein queef.
>>751602538
therefore, who gives a flying fuck how many more votes hillary had than trump, that's an overall national number, but trump won more points in states, and state points matter more.
>>751602538
Yeah but we've had two instances in the past 15 years where the popular will of the country directly conflicted with the beauty contest, anon. This needs to be addressed.
One way would be to get rid of the "winner takes all" part, but if that still produces a fuckwad like Trump--or Bush--there's still something wrong with the system.
>>751602573
No they don't. Every person in the united states is completely equal with each other. Your line of thinking in saying they live in the darkness is exactly why the popular vote is a failure. The elites in urban areas think they are lights and those outside are dregs and trash and not part of the USA. That's exactly why Trump won: because your candidate literally directly said it by calling them all deplorable. And why the fuck should any states mostly dark stay in the same country that is completely run by elitist fags like that? They wouldn't and that's why the EC is what keeps us the United States. If Trump didn't win because the popular vote then there'd have been this issue even as soon as now.
>>751590118
Factually incorrect.
She lost despite getting 3 million more votes in the general election.
However, the Electoral College actually elects the US President.
In that case, Trump got more votes than Hillary.
>>751602751
that's because the beauty contest doesn't matter. it doesn't matter who got more votes, it matters WHERE they got the votes.
>>751602821
>The elites in urban areas think they are lights and those outside are dregs and trash and not part of the USA
what kind of crazy ass fucking "reasoning" is this?
>>751602821
>The elites in urban areas think they are lights and those outside are dregs and trash and not part of the USA
uh...because they sorta are.
>>751602908
>votes count more based on geographical location
>>751596917
... Russian troll detected.
>>751602932
> why hillary lost
>>751602908
You're painting a pretty picture, anon. I'm saying fuck the picture, let the people decide, not rectangles and borders based on rivers and other land features.
It got a fuckwad like Trump elected. That means you stop and reflect on whether it's worth that much societal detriment.
>>751590290
Did anyone else catch that it said "countries"?
>>751599228
Because when people live that close together, they eventually start to think alike and want all the other geographical resources for themselves.
Too much concentrated power.
>>751602999
Yes. And if you live in San Juan, you don't even get a vote.
>>751602538
Listen here you illiterate idiot: If there were an election between Texas and Rhode Island over one person under our Electoral College system, and Texas voted for person and RI the other, Texas would still always win because has more electoral votes. Texas has more electoral votes because Texas has more representatives. Texas has more representatives because Texas has more fucking people.
You moronic, inbreed, cousin-fucking hillbilly.
>>751602751
Whereas if the results were to your liking you would defend it like no tomorrow.
The system is not broken. You are just butthurt at the results. idgaf either way
>>751603115
It doesn't. Read it again.
>>751602920
>>751602932
Uhh the guy directly after you basically proved my point??? Guess it's not "crazy ass fucking reasoning" if someone literally took 5 seconds to confirm it.
When will you non educated autism having fuckers learn that during a presidential election....your vote does not count! Period. If no one voted there would still be a winner. This time Trump won. Hillary lost and is a nobody.
B8 thrd.
>>751590290
Rural areas already have disproportionate representation through the senate. As the population continues to move to more urban areas, the rural area's proportionate representation in the house of representatives and electoral college will continue to grow as long as the number of representatives is capped at 435.
>>751591177
Only post in the whole thread. Other ones are bots.
>>751602999
okay so i don't remember all the point values, but let's say texas is worth 3 points, and new york is worth 2. If trump were to win 2 of the 3 votes in texas, and one in new york, then hillary won 1 in texas, and 1 in new york... well, he'd still win there, despite new york being a mostly democratic state that probably voted for hillary. And there's probably more people in new york than texas, based on population density. I literally don't know exactly how it all works, but I know it's a much better system than popular vote alone. If we were to go strictly by popular vote, we might as well have only one party, and never have an election, cuz the same states are gonna decide the winner every time just based on population alone, most of them thinking alike.
>>751603196
The entire country suffers, anon. You don't even want to consider options.
>>751599484
>thought she would win
They already know the winner, voting is a joke
>>751603374
i.e. we shouldn't let the population of one or two states outweigh the opinion of the country as a whole just because they have more people than the rest of the country.
>>751603299
>your vote does not count!
It's never counted. Even if it were a pure popular election, there are 250 million citizens of voting age. The odds I will be the swing vote is significantly less than winning hundreds of millions in a lottery jackpot.
>>751603234
Dude has less patience than I do. I can understand the frustration of watching people vote against their interests because they believe the propaganda about taxation and social programs. They vote to cut education, they vote to allow oppressive laws against minorities.
But that doesn't mean they are somehow not American citizens.
>>751603529
>what do you mean if more people want it they should get it, what is this a democracy?
>>751603234
even if you aren't samefagging, that shit is b8. You made an absurd "argument" that appeals to hate towards Republicans.
>>751603380
ffuuuuck youuuu....
> don't like the results
> change the rules
>>751603216
My b, thanks anon
>>751603380
How do we suffer now? Who is being rounded up and exterminated? All this trump is a nazi shit is insulting to history. Also the hillary is the devil shit is insulting to religion.
Get a fucking grip. The GOP is running the show like a bunch of democrats now. Literally nothing is lost or gained of any real personal importance. Everything you hear is propaganda designed to rustle jimmies. Are your jimmies rustled? Im simply tired of the utter ignorance in parroted lines like yours, anon. kys
>>751603374
Our EC system is one where the winner takes all, sans unusual circumstances where you have a faithless elector (but this rarely happens and it has never altered the outcome of an election. So there is no winning two out of three votes there and one out of two votes there. It is all or nothing. You win the state, you get the votes.
>>751603299
it counts, just not in the way you think. the EC is tied in with popular vote, in a way. When you go vote, the votes are tallied up for your county. If more people in your county go for trump over hillary, then the county itself submits one vote for trump to the state. Then the state tallies shit up further down the line to see which way its representative in the EC is gonna distribute the votes for their region. All boiled down though, your vote does count, just not as a deciding factor in a popular vote type election. You're more like a grain of sand stuffed in a bag sitting on a scale.
>>751603737
>change the rules
That's the idea.
The current system "elected" Trump.
>>751590118
i want to fuck that ladybug
>>751603829
>All this trump is a nazi shit is insulting to history
so Trump's OK in your book?
kek
>>751603374
Yeah the EC isn't perfect but it's WAY better than the popular vote. I am completely for proposing a valid alternative to the EC but it better not be the popular vote.
In addition to the same areas deciding the elections, the reality is that the vast majority of people are also lifelong committed to the same party and never switch their political views. That means every city would be guaranteed democrat. Feeling powerless, why should most states that are like 70% republican stand for being powerless? THey wouldn't and they would push to cede from the country.
Not only that, but a political party could make promises which are AMAZING for people living in urban areas and complete horseshit for people outside of cities. It could be where people in cities have 100% approval of the candidate and people outside of cities have 0% approval and would HATE that guy with a passion. But oh well 95% of the surface area of the country is stuck with a guy they HATE and who doesn't give a single shit about them because he knows he can win with just the cities.
>Welcome to 4chan
>no, we weren't doing anything, why?
>>751603529
But we should allow the populations of several smaller states outweigh the country as a whole because they have less people? Doesn't that create an inherently unfair system wherein the voter of a smaller state has more influence electorally than their counter-part in a larger one?
>>751603829
Trump has killed 2 million gays, transexuals, and tumbrinas every fucking day since he was elected, exactly as predicted. We're living thru a new lolocaust.
>>751603829
oh
you're one of those "both sides are bad/the same" dipshits
I love torturing fucks like you
>>751603862
no thanks.
>loses at tic tac toe
>gets two turns
>>751603659
going by the fact that every state has rights, every county has rights, every town has rights. It would be unfair for a small corner of our country to decide the fate of every state, county and town in the entire country. This is why they split things up like this and use the EC.
>>751590707
Ya who the fuck is this semen demon??
>>751603603
They vote to stop government involvement with education. You know, government mandates attached to curriculum? Why can't they read? Why are they dropping out? Why is there so much shit in schools? Well, lets start with who runs them.
NOBODY is against education you moron. By voting to continue government monopoly on schools, you support the failure.
>>751603955
All that is going to do is ensure that the Deep South power center continues to be a destructive force to this country, anon.
>>751590118
Not even understanding your own electoral system
and you ownder why people says muricans are dumb as shit
>>751603955
The electoral college also makes recounts easy. Remember 2000? To figure out whether Bush won, they only had to recheck a few counties in Florida, because the rest of the country was settled (no dispute about where all the NY EC votes went, for instance). In a pure popular election, they'd have to recount every single vote in the entire country, if there was a challenge.
>>751603948
Show me how he is a nazi.
I didn't vote trump, btw. Not that it matters.
>>751604006
That's a pretty shitty way to taint the argument anon.
thanks
>>751603994
well, like i said, i don't know exactly how the system works. I think it's probably some simple ass math system like population divided by area. Lots of people in texas, but texas is also huge in size... Not quite as many people in rhode island, but it's also smaller, so the density might be more. So doing some fucky math and shit they somehow figure it out that this area is worth this many points, that area is worth that many points, and in the end, it ends up distributing the voting power evenly among all the states instead of just a select few.
>>751603955
>Yeah the EC isn't perfect but it's WAY better than the popular vote.
The electoral college is essentially the popular vote counted by state instead of nationally, because electors vote in line with the majority of the population literally 99% of the time. All you're doing with the E.C. is giving some people more influence with their vote than others.
>>751604146
Government involvement with education wouldn't be an issue if state governments did it right and educated their people the first time.
Now they're choosing to be stupid and raise stupid kids. Look at Mississipi. Alabama. Stalwarts of states' rights, anon. Shit tier education.
>>751604000
SO the population figures ought show a 2% reduction. Hmpf. Cant seem to find that. Name some of the gays killed.
Maybe you confuse mideast countries with murica?
>>751604171
And what is a constructive force for this country? SJW bullshit? Because from my point of view, what's completely destructive are SJWs. The point is everyone has different opinions of what is right and wrong, and the fact that no one side dominates every election is exactly why we can tolerate each other. Because we all believe we can get our chance to be in power. If we couldn't then no one would tolerate the others that they hate. If a republican won 10 elections in a row for 40 years then cities would be PISSED and vice versa. The hope that your side can win is why we stay united.
>>751604060
>It would be unfair for a small corner of our country t-
you mean the majority of the people?
>>751604146
>NOBODY is against education you moron
Actually the far right is, given their constant need to ensure that education funding gets cut or eliminated. Teaching is demonized as a "noble profession" so teachers don't get paid shit, administrators are demonized as pork-loving bureaucrats. All of this is deliberate.
>>751604001
I like to see reality. Show me the demonic possession. Show me the nazi. I don't see anything that supports this in reality. Maybe you enjoy the circle jerk hive mind over reality?
>>751604391
This. Look how angry liberals are after just 1 year of Trump. Imagine 40 years of Trump like candidates. I guarantee states like California would cede.
>>751604391
>SJW bullshit
I know we're on /b/ and all that, but that's a pretty cynical term.
"SJW bullshit" is basically human rights issues.
The far right is threatened by people questioning the system they thrive and benefit from.
>>751604386
You mean Illinois? New Jersey?
The new plantations are the public schools. Look how the government holds them back.
>>751604600
hah; they've been trying...
>>751604349
No. No. No. No. No.
A state's electoral votes is based on how many Congressional representatives it has, which in turn is based on the state's population relative to other states. Every twenty years Congress reapportions Congressional seats based on census data.
>>751590118
>Hillary won by 3 million votes
Can't win a Football game by yards gained my friend.
>>751604561
The Republicans have slid their ideology and their influence farther and farther to the right in the past 15 years alone. Never mind Reagan.
How can you compare their policies to the Democrats?
Because they both tax you?
I really don't get the "both sides" argument, it sounds like you identify with the political right more than you think and find liberals to be irritating.
>>751590118
no she didn't and get over it Trump is going nowhere
>>751604807
well i did say i don't know exactly how it works. it was a guess :P
Hmmm... really makes you think.
>>751604538
Funding =/= education anon. If the teachers were paid by merit they would be professionals instead of victims crushed under a union.
Open your mind to the possibility that you are misinformed. Why is it they keep showing more and more money but nothing changes?
Why do I even try? You will not change your mind, it goes against your indoctrination. Stay hivemind, bro.
>>751604642
SJWs have convinced themselves that they are moral crusaders purely on the side of righteousness and anyone who disagrees with them are evil. That couldn't be further from the truth. The vast majority of people on the right have basic respect for blacks, gays, etc. However we also think we're all equal already and things like affirmative action and wage gap and microaggressions are complete bullshit. And yet anyone who argues against SJWs even on clear bullshit is labeled racist, sexist, homophobic. Hell just saying "It's okay to be white" is exposing SJWs because they think it's not even okay to be white? That's not human rights for white people. SJWs only care about human rights of people they deemed to be the victim of the day and they decide who are victims purely by their gender or sex and not by the life they lived. Guess who the real racists and sexists are? It's the SJWs.
And SJWs are completely blinded by the far right which is arguably 1% of all people on the right. They think the far right represents all of us which couldn't be further from the truth.
>>751590118
you make it sound like a lot.... protip: it isn't
(less than 1% of the total population)
>>751604996
>Funding =/= education
oh yes it fucking is
>>751603336
This hinges more on gerrymandering than Congressional caps.
If you draw up districts in such a manner that tends to favor the views of rural Americans, rural Americans will continue to hold disproportionate influence in Congress. As it stands, gerrymandering largely favors the Republican party and rural Americans are Republican.
you mean lost by 3 million votes
>>751605058
The far right is controlling the dialogue by insisting we adhere to ridiculous terms like "SJW."
>>751604824
I hate bullies. Just that simple. Nobody has all the answers. But I think people should be free to solve their own problems and not be robbed under the guise of charity.
>>751590243
killing whites by being idiots on the internet
>>751604349
The electoral college is pretty simple. You know there are 100 Senators (2/state) and 435 Representatives (distributed to states according to population)? Each state gets as many electors as they have House + Senate seats (plus DC gets 3, because it's special). So Wyoming and DC have 3, Texas has 38, and Cali has 55.
States vote, and the person who wins the state gets ALL the state's electors. So Hillary got all 55 Cali electors, and Trump got 0. The candidate with 270 electors.
It's a little more complex than that -- for instance electors are people and can technically vote however they feel (it's never been significant factor) and 2 states don't use the winner takes all method -- but the above is decent summary of the big picture.
>>751604824
Disagree. The left has been engaging in some severe social extremism lately, and have moved towards more authoritative solutions to the issues. Also, the left have been enabling the racial divide in America.
So fuck yourself.
>>751605110
gerrymandering is a matter of local representation, urbanization will affect national representation
>>751605165
Dude SJWs use the term SJW themselves... I have NEVER heard anyone on the left deny the concept of SJW or social justice.
>>751605239
> The candidate with 270 electors wins.
>>751604996
I grew up in the US public school system like you did, anon. We have the same "indoctrination."
You're phoning it in, anon.
>>751590118
3 million votes is less then the margin for error of 160million.
Also the 3 million ect votes came from California where illegals can get duvets licence and vote. Trump won 75% of the state's
>>751605100
Here you go.
Private schools cost 1/3 less on average with better results. WHY, anon?
https://nces.ed.gov/pubs97/97983.pdf
>>751605209
Who's being "robbed?"
The guy who is doing exactly the same as the last president is the worst because he shitposts on twitter! The woman who has been a hardcore right wing candidate all her life is as left as you can get! (because she's a woman.)
>>751604959
That's not justice, that's communism.
>>751605263
>The left has been engaging in some severe social extremism lately,
examples?
>and have moved towards more authoritative solutions to the issues
such as?
>Also, the left have been enabling the racial divide in America.
This also makes no sense
>so fuck yourself
why didn't you just lead off with that?
>>751604996
>If the teachers were paid by merit they would be professionals instead of victims crushed under a union.
This disproportionately benefits teachers who work in nice school districts and disadvantages those who don't. Like if I work at the Salk School of Science in NYC, I'm going to get paid more than an educator who works at Public School 157. It has very little to do with whether or not I'm better at teacher and everything to do with the kinds of students who attend each school. Salk literally represents the top students in the city.
>>751604642
SJW is the new McCarthyism
>>751605413
what is redistribution, anon?
are you really this dense or are you trolling?
>>751605389
Because their students disproportionately come from stable households located in low-crime areas?
>>751590290
trees don't vote, cunt
>>751605514
Is that pic not exactly how the electoral college work when it comes to 'justice'?
>>751590396
I’m enjoying the part where you think meth’d up shitholes like Kern County, Pima County, and San Bernardino County are full of laudable, urbane citizens.
>>751605389
>The Condition of Education 1997
>1997
kek
>>751604959
And justice involves literal theft if the tall guy doesn't want to give up his box and the government forces him to? Equality means everyone can have one box and if people are decent then they will offer a box. But you can't force someone to give up what they EARNED fairly just because someone else has some other natural disadvantage.
>>751605667
who's being "robbed?
Answer the question.
>>751605610
So parents make choices to enroll their kids in better schools, huh? How come- if everything is supposed to be equal- it isn't equal? I thought the federal government has rules and runs things so well...
>>751605165
Bullshit, a disproportionate amount of media leans left. Shove it, faggot
>>751605788
>if the tall guy doesn't want to give up his box
then he's a fucking asshole
>>751590118
>trump wins 98.1% of the counties
>IT WAS HER TURN!
hurrrrrr but direct democracy who am care about tyranny of the majority durr.
>>751605870
>a disproportionate amount of media leans left.
there is literally no proof of this assertion
