"For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction." FAB = -FBA
People do not realize what Isaac Newton's third law of motion really means.
Everything is balanced. Everything physical (matter/energy) goes back and forth in balanced circles, cycles, or the equivalent. Birth-death, old-young, big-small, strong-weak, start-stop, up-down, rich-poor, beginning-end, fast-slow, hot-cold, pain-pleasure, win-lose, day-night, full-empty, high-low, in-out, success-failure, united-divided, give-receive, creation-destruction, on-off, positive-negative, etc.
Positive and negative forces moving in balance are the physical universe.
>>746316703
what about thought? how does thought interact with matter if only matter can interact with other matter?
what
Everything physical (matter/energy) goes back and forth in balanced circles, cycles, or the equivalent. Even light and other forms of energy that appear to go straight out move up and down in balanced waves.
The physical universe has to move in perfect balance to exist.
Luck: Good luck and bad luck are the balance in action and the way the balance most affects our lives. Luck is manifested on many levels. There is the day-to-day luck, from little things like getting a good parking space or a bad one, to big things, such as winning the lottery or finding out you have cancer. Then there is the long-term luck. You are lucky if you are born with good looks, money, health, talent and intelligence. You are unlucky if you are born unattractive, poor, sickly and without talent or intelligence. Most people are in between the extremes, but it does not matter, because we are immortal, and it will all balance out. Luck will move back and forth; everyone will get equal amounts of good and bad luck.
What goes around comes around. Everyone gets their turn.
The eternal mixer: The balance is the result of everything moving around randomly. Example: if you take a jar filled with black and white grains of sand and you shake it, it will turn gray and mix perfectly, and no matter how long you shake it, the black and white grains of sand will always stay evenly mixed. Time and random movement will always create a perfect balance of all physical things. It is as certain as night and day, and why we have a night and a day.
If you flip a coin a thousand times, it will come up heads about half the time and tails about half the time. The odds of random events are predictable; this is why Las Vegas always makes a profit on gambling year after year. You can see the truth if you look at the big picture. You will see that random events are predictable because they balance. It's a fundamental truth of life everyone knows, but ignores.
Everything is Everything, but nothing is Everything. Also numbers.
>>746316975
how do you know when something is perfectly mixed or perfectly even?
>>746317023
Because order is chaos, and chaos is order.
>>746317137
but chaos and order are opposites
This is why on the Fourth of July, about 162 people will be killed in auto accidents, and every fourth, about the same amount are killed. An average of twelve auto accidents happen every minute; about six thousand teenagers are killed in auto accidents every year in the US. About four million people are bitten by dogs.
Why is the number about the same every year?
Everything is determined, the beginning as well as the end, by forces over which we have no control. It is determined for insects as well as for the stars. Human beings, vegetables or cosmic dust; we all dance to a mysterious tune, intoned in the distance. Albert Einstein
Destiny: Not being in control does not mean our future is predestined. No one knows the future; the future cannot be known. Anything can happen. The only thing we can be certain of is that it will be balanced.
>>746316842
through a medium, made up of matter, because thought is made from matter
>>746316703
>Everything is balanced
That is surely not what Newton's law means. That is some esoteric bullshit.
insanity
noun
the state of being seriously mentally ill; madness.
Just ganna leave this here
>>746316703
what if I murder someone and get away with it
is it still balanced?
>>746317160
But opposites are order and chaos.
>>746317217
how is thought made from matter if matter can't interact with thought?
normally in order for an object to be affected matter must run into or smash into other matter, but thought possesses no matter
>>746317293
yes and so are true and false, we know clearly that they are different, not that they are the same
>>746317350
This sentence is false.
>>746317023
Op here, The truth of the balance is the most clear at the edges of physical reality. If you look at the biggest things in the universe, the stars and planets, you will see that they are all going in balanced circles (orbiting) around each other. If you look at the smallest things that make up all matter and atoms, you will see the same thing, electrons going around a nucleus. The edges reveal clearly the fundamental nature of our reality. Everything is going around in circles. As you become more aware, you begin to see that all physical things in between the biggest and smallest are doing the same thing in one way or another. Soon it will be as clear to you as night and day, and you will know the nature of everything.
The key truth is the knowledge of the balancing opposites, because you can see this truth in action everywhere you look. Change or movement is caused when parts of a cycle or system are out of balance. They always will move or change to balance. Example: In the weather system, when there is a high pressure zone and a low pressure zone, the air in the high pressure zone will move into the low pressure zone causing wind and bad weather. If you are hungry, you eat, etc.
>>746317431
Shut up, you're not OP, stop pretending to be me!
>>746317311
thought is made from brain, brain is matter
>normally in order for an object to be affected
>normally
well there you go
>>746317279
Yes. Even if it takes life times to balance out, everything will eventually balance out it is the nature of the universe we live in.
>>746317393
What defines false? Your simple mind of logic thinking and semantic. To someone else this sentence is true.
>>746317393
no actually its true
we know instinctually that there is a difference between opposites, that is what opposites mean
>>746317431
how do we know two things are opposites?
>>746317496
the brain is matter, but thought is not
how do they brain and thought interact if one is made of matter and the other isnt?
>>746317535
It's opposite, but the same.
The good news is, all of the best things are going to happen to you; the bad news is, so will all of the worst things, if you do not learn the truth.
Death is the great equalizer: If you are born with advantages, you can have more good times than bad times in your life, but when you die, you are reborn with disadvantages, and have more bad times than good times and vice versa. In the long run, no one has it better or worse than anyone else does, because life will always balance eventually. It is the nature of the universe we are part of, the universe we can see. Religious books say life is fair, and it is the truth.
Evolutionists are missing the intelligence behind it, the spiritual influence.
Eastern religions: You may think that I am talking about something that sounds like Buddhism or Hinduism. Parts of the truth are found in all religions, including Buddhism and other eastern religions, but they have also been distorted, misinterpreted, and misunderstood, just as the Bible has been. Eastern religions and philosophies do not work any better than the religions and philosophies of the west at revealing the ultimate truth. The truth in them has also been unseen by mankind, but it will be seen now by those who are ready to see it.
>>746316975
This is not true
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Consequences: People may think, if everything is balanced, then it does not matter what you do. That is true, if you want to continue living in the savage animal realm. If you want to evolve past the animal realm, to a realm where there is no fear, pain or death, you have to learn and spread the truth of life. You have to live as a spiritual being. If you live like an animal, you will continue to be one.
Sometimes people hold a core belief that is very strong. When they are presented with evidence that works against that belief, the new evidence cannot be accepted. It would create a feeling that is extremely uncomfortable, called cognitive dissonance. And because it is so important to protect the core belief, they will rationalize, ignore and even deny anything that doesn't fit in with the core belief. Frantz Fanon
Cognitive dissonance: Get to know these two words. It is the unseen enemy of mankind. It does more to cause war, crime and suffering than anything else, because it prevents people from learning and changing. If you are ready to overcome your cognitive dissonance and learn the truth of life, keep reading.
>>746317565
No. This sentence is false.
If this sentence is true, then you are wrong, and I am right.
>>746317654
What's not true
>>746317789
balance is just an idea, balance doesn't actually exist in the objects themselves, it comes into existence when we relate the objects to each other
>>746317807
ok
>>746317832
Your mind is not true.
>>746317893
Now suck my dick slowly.
A man should look for what is and not for what he thinks should be.
Albert Einstein
Truth you can check: It is as matter of fact as the ground and as useful as food. It's the kind of truth that can make hate and war as unnecessary as ignorance.
Charles Darwin revealed how evolution works, but not what it really means.
Evolution is no longer just a theory; it has been proven true beyond a reasonable doubt. The problem is, even people who believe evolution is true disassociate themselves from the process. They somehow skipped all the lower forms of animal life and just started out at the top of the evolutionary ladder.
The evidence says we evolved as life evolved.
Human beings did not just appear at the top of the evolutionary ladder to reap the benefits of those millions of years of evolution without having to live through it.
In other words, you were those other animals. Someone had to be them.
You had to be lower animals to be a human now. You lived as all the different animals in your evolutionary line. You lived through millions of years, and millions of lives and deaths to get to where you are now. That's what Darwin's book means.
In addition to the fossil evidence, the genetic code proves that all animals, including us, evolved from bacteria over the last 700 million years on earth.
In other words, you were a microbe, an insect, a fish, a dinosaur, an ape...
ITT: Pseudo-scientific bullshit
>>746317976
Evolution is not true, because clocks are true.
>>746317976
Anti-Darwin -
Assuming, however, that there is such a struggle for existence — and, indeed, it occurs — its result is unfortunately the opposite of what Darwin's school desires, and of what one might perhaps desire with them — namely, in favor of the strong, the privileged, the fortunate exceptions. The species do not grow in perfection: the weak prevail over the strong again and again, for they are the great majority — and they are also more intelligent. Darwin forgot the spirit (that is English!); the weak have more spirit. One must need spirit to acquire spirit; one loses it when one no longer needs it.
>>746317565
didn't say thought was matter, said it came from matter, why do you young faggots persist in trying to change what someone says in an argument?
neurons
>>746318074
i didnt say that you said it was matter, i was just asking you how they interact, since only matter can interact with other matter
neurons are not thought because neurons are made of matter and thought is not made of matter
>>746318060
If a perfect hammer requires no nails, is it still a hammer?
>>746317976
When all of the evidence (100%) says something happened, and there is no evidence (zero) that anything else could have happened, it is the truth beyond a reasonable doubt to honest, rational people.
We have come a very, very long way, but we have a little further to go. The next and last step in our evolution is learning and accepting the truth of life, and this includes acknowledging our true past.
The truth will free us from the animal world we all evolved from.
>>746316980
Kek
>>746318074
But neurons are tiny computers, what makes them important is not what they're made of but how they are arranged.
this is bullshit because i can break things and they stay broken, potential energy and plaque holes
use more than 2 minutes of thought and you'll find enough non-circular non balancing correlations
also kys for ressurection faggot
>>746318060
OP here: Intelligent design and evolution both happened.
Evolutionists are missing the intelligence behind it, the spiritual influence.
>>746318268
Resurrect my boner with more of your beautiful thoughts.
>>746316703
your logic is fucked up
>>746318299
Whoever has strength dispenses with the spirit ("Let it go!" they think in Germany today; "the Reich must still remain to us"). It will be noted that by "spirit" I mean care, patience, cunning, simulation, great self-control, and everything that is mimicry (the latter includes a great deal of so-called virtue).
>>746318346
We all live in a simulation.
Immortality: "It is impossible to be conscious of being unconscious."
It is not possible to be aware of being unconscious from your own perspective. You cannot be aware of not being aware. You can be less aware/conscious, such as when you are asleep, but not completely unconscious (dead), because time would stand still for you. A billion years could pass, and you would not know it.
How do you know you are dead? It is not possible to be aware of any gaps in life; it is continuous and never-ending from your own point of view.
Death and birth are a continuous event from your own perspective.
You will die physically, but you will be born into a new physical body. Being born happens, or you would not be here now. You were born into this life. It is what we know happens. There is no evidence anything else happens. True or false?
The "you only live once" theory: Many people say that they do not believe in reincarnation; they believe when you die, you're dead. What about fish, clams, horses, bears, flies? People that say you only live once are saying some souls get to live just one life as a worm, and that is it for all of eternity.
Other people believe you are judged by a god after you die. Is the worm judged?
>>746318142
you're asking the wrong question
thought is produced from matter
want proof?
remove the matter
>>746318441
how do you know?
>>746318450
Exactly. Now go shoot yourself in the face.
>>746317565
>how do they brain and thought interact if one is made of matter and the other isnt?
the same way a computer chip (matter) interacts with electrons (energy)
>>746318450
Many people think human beings are the only animal that is conscious. Is a dog or cat conscious? Where do you draw the line? Is a bird conscious? The truth is, all animal life is conscious and alive just like us.1 The only thing that makes humans different from other animals is that we have a mind that can think and reason at a high enough level to know the truth of life, and those that know rise above animals.
It is time to see and accept the truth the evidence supports.
You are immortal; it is impossible to not be, because it is impossible to be conscious of being unconscious. Just that one sentence proves it. It is like these sentences: It is impossible for it to be light and dark at the same time, you cannot have your cake and eat it too. They are simple, but certain facts. The sentence "It is impossible to be conscious of being unconscious" is a simple and certain fact.
Energy cannot be created or destroyed; it can only be changed from one form to another. Albert Einstein
Like energy, consciousness cannot be created or destroyed.
This revelation will change your life. Now you know where you come from and what you have been doing for about half a billion years (evolving). The next question is how does life work and what is next, and we can know that too.
People are trying to understand the universe independent of consciousness, and it is the most important factor in the equation.
The universe as it relates to conscious life can be understood now. It is the ultimate truth; the truth that will transform mankind and the world.
>>746318483
what if i said
"matter is produced from though"
"want proof?"
"remove the thought" ?
>>746318489
Because I have no free will to know otherwise.
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Actually, no. Newton's laws of motion mean exactly what they say and nothing more.
>>746318570
but the computer chip and energy are both made of matter, thought and the brain are not both made of matter
>>746318606
but you could just as easily say "life is not a simulation"
>>746318581
Do it! Shoot yourself in the face on webcam!
>>746318670
No I couldn't. See, I didn't say that.
>>746318450
worm cannot comprehend commandments from god or even God himself, therefore, worm is innocent and hence "saved"
>>746318720
if you can say one thing then you can say its contradiction
The greatest present: For the first time in history, the first time in our 700 million years on this planet, we can know life, know what we are, where we come from, and where we are going. We have to take advantage of this brief opportunity. It has been a long time coming and will be a long time gone. This book will give you the power to change our present course to one that leads to a place without pain, fear or suffering, a place some western religions call heaven.
Keep reading: New and different revelations about life are not easy to accept. Do not let the things you disagree with stop you from reading further. Many of the things you do not agree with or understand when you first read them will make sense after you read more of the book. Do not skip around; it needs to be read in order to make sense. It is a small book (101 pages) that does not take much time to read. It is worth it. Search "Truth Contest" and read the top entry called The Present.
>>746318776
But if I never do something, can I say I could have done it?
>>746318875
yes
>>746318591
matter would still exist, like it did before you were born, but thought isn't matter, nobody said it was
I said it was produced from matter, why can't you understand that? or how it is produced? what answer do you WANT to hear?
>>746318591
then you're retarded./
>>746318142
energy interacts with matter all the time, from light reflecting off mirrors (energy interacting with matter) to turbines spinning to trap electrons etc
The first three pages of this book are a game changer, because they are true. The problem is, most people cannot see the truth of life.
It's not what you look at that matters; it's what you see.
Henry David Thoreau
When you see the truth for the first time, it is what people call a peak moment, or a moment of clarity. You get a larger percentage of what each moment of life actually contains; you are filled with life. Your mind is the gatekeeper of life, and sometimes it lets a little true life in, but most of the time it does not.
Figure 1 shows how mankind currently perceives life. Figure 2 shows true life. (Pic Related)
The arrows represent life coming to you from all directions. The dotted line shows how your mind blocks most of the life coming to you. Without the mind blocking life, you receive all of life, true life, and reflect it all back out.
Seeing Niagara Falls or the Grand Canyon for the first time is a peak moment for most people. Why does it make you feel so alive? Nothing really happens to you. Why doesn’t it feel as good the second time you see it? You are seeing the same thing. The reason is, your mind opens up when something is special.
The truth is, every moment of life is special, and you can be completely open to life most of the time. You have to see the truth to see true life.
>>746318904
How do you know counterfactual definiteness is real?
The obvious is that which is never seen until someone expresses it simply. Khalil Gibran
The truth of life does not change anything in life except people's minds. Things stay the same. The truth just removes the unnecessary suffering, conflict and confusion from life.
The truth about life is actually very simple; it is just hard to see for the first time.
Life: It all boils down to how you feel from moment to moment, how often you feel good and how often you feel bad, and it will be balanced like everything else physical. Your infinite past was balanced, and your infinite future will be too, unless you change from a physical being into a spiritual being. To change into a spiritual being, you just have to know the truth, which changes your point of view and your perspective of life so that you start to live your life as a spiritual being.
Our life does not have to be just fifty-fifty like the physical world, because our spiritual-self, our immortal-self, is not physical and does not need to be balanced to exist. Our physical environment cannot fundamentally change, but we can. You just have to know it to do it.
Nothing is going to make any real difference in your life except separating yourself from the balanced physical world. It can and will change everything.
>>746318157
>The truth will free us from the animal world we all evolved from.
i don't see how history will lead to humanities ascension, whether it's towards robotic consciousness, or some other form of bodyless free form of thought`
>>746318928
if you took away your thoughts, would matter still exist? how do you know?
energy is another form of matter, thats why it can interact with matter, one can convert matter into energy because they are both physical and corporal
however thought is not physical or corporal
>>746318968
i dont know, but it is a "clear and distinct idea"
>>746319082
no it's not.
The truth reveals that you do not need to experience the bad to have the good. The bad will still happen, but you will perceive it differently.
Good/bad: When you know the truth, you take the two sides of life, the good and bad side, and see them as one whole. You do this by understanding what the balancing force means. It means all bad times will pass and be compensated for by an equal amount of good times. It also means all good times will pass and be paid for with an equal amount of bad times. It will always balance.
When you know the truth, you will enjoy the good times more and still avoid a bad time when you can, but when you cannot, the knowledge of the balance helps you get through the bad times. This is because knowing that the worse it gets, the better it will be, makes bad times almost enjoyable. More importantly, it centers your perspective of life. You see both sides of life; whole life, true life.
You do not get just 50/50; you get 100%.
The knowledge of the balance takes away your reasons to be mad, sad, hate, worry, envy, be disappointed; it takes away all negative emotions and feelings.
It removes all stress and negative mind-made feelings from your life.
The mind starts disappearing, and true life starts appearing.
As the mind gets smaller, life gets bigger. As the mind shrinks, life expands. When the mind disappears completely, your perception of life becomes clear. Eventually, you will only think when you have to, which is not very often. You will be able to accept the present of life, no matter what is happening. You change into a new being, a spiritual being, and you become the present, the eternal NOW.
>>746319167
yes it is
>>746319082
>how do you know?
how about you look up the definition of reality yourself, dipshit.
protip: it's not dependant upon you being alife or deaf
>>746319266
no it's not
>>746319082
Because matter and the universe existing aren't dependent on my observation of them. When I die and perceive nothing anymore the universe will still be here.
>>746319082
>energy is another form of matter
no, it isn't.
otherwise it'd be called matter, you fucking dunce.
i'm done talking to a retard, or a boring retard pretending to play stupid for (you)'s
go back to skewl mr 12 year old, this site is not for your kind.
>>746319077
It is understanding are history, understanding that we evolved from those other animals, that we were those other animals. We did not just start out at the "Crown of creation" to reap the benefits of those millions of years of hard, brutal evolution. We evolved to get to where we are now and the next and last step for mankind is to wake up to our true past, where we are now, and where we are going. It can only happen with the truth
>>746319323
How do you know?
We want to expand our life, not expand our minds as they did in the 1960s.
The more you live in the present, the more fulfilling life gets. Time will slow down; you will see the magic and wonder of life you saw as a child, and you will experience it without the ignorance and all the negative emotions of childhood. Soon, you will be able to see life better than a child sees it or any animal has ever seen it. You will see the real world, an enchanted world.
Your two selves: Most people are not aware of the fact that they have two different selves. You have a mind and a spirit (consciousness), and though they seem like one thing, they are separate. The way to realize that this is true is to realize that something has to be listening to the thoughts created by your mind.
What is it that hears your thoughts?
There is the part of you that thinks and the part that hears the thoughts. The thinking part is your mind; the part that hears the thoughts is your spiritual-self. You do not actually hear thoughts through your ears, because your mind is already inside your head. The point is, your spiritual-self receives the things the mind creates in a similar way to hearing them.
Check it out: Just ask yourself, what is it that is hearing the thoughts you are thinking right now?
It is your spiritual-self, the same thing that receives all life.
As shown in the drawing, mankind is currently living as their mind-self, and as a result, does not know their spiritual-self. “Know thy self,” as Socrates said.
You have to know true life to know your true self.
>>746319270
some people think that the world is a product of their brain, hence "reality" is structured by thought
in that case if one took away one's thoughts then one would take away reality, since reality is a representation created by our brain
>>746319323
if all of reality is a representation created by our brain, then the universe existing is directly dependent on it
>>746319370
energy and matter can be converted one into another, energy affects matter because energy is made of matter, if energy had no matter then it would not be able to affect other matter, since only matter can affect matter
however thought is not made of matter
>>746319377
We were never other animals. I've only ever been me. You've only ever been you.
>>746317498
Well-typed. I too, share in this believe because faith is required in order to understand things outside of our dimension/reality/etc.. I only apply my faith in such a way that makes sense. For instance, I believe we're all of one infinite thing [organism?], and yet we've been involuntarily divided into ourselves and given our own uniqueness via appearance [eye/hair/skin/color, body structure, gender...], labeling [name, age, height...], thought [beliefs, morals, values...]etc.. I also believe in reincarnation because if the above is true, and birth exists as an entry into this world, then who's to say we're not all just trapped in one of potentially infinite sentient objects with the capacity of being poured into other objects over the span of an eternity?
Perspective and perception: The same world is perceived differently by a frog and a cat, a cat and a dog, a dog and a human, a child and an adult, a woman and a man. You see something different than I do. All perspectives are unique.
We do not see things the way they are; we see things the way we are.
People see and experience life through their own mind and senses and from their own unique perspective and awareness level. This does not change the truth. The physical world will never change; it cannot change and still exist, but the way you perceive it can. Perception and perspective determine how clearly and truly you see life and how fulfilling or unfulfilling life is for you. Knowing the ultimate truth makes it possible for people to see life clearly and to be filled by it.
You cannot control life, but you can change the way you see life.
Animals other than man are more fulfilled, because they have less mind blocking life, but they are stuck with the perspective and perception they are born with. We (human beings) can greatly improve our perception by learning the ultimate truth.
All the problems we have stem from people not knowing the truth of life.
Unhappy: People look around and think, why are there so many people that are unhappy? We have progressed so far, yet people are still unhappy. Why isn’t this world the wonderful place it could be? Changing the world doesn’t change us.
It does not matter how much we progress materially; it will not change anything. Only learning and seeing the truth will change us, and thus change everything.
The truth transforms a mortal man into an immortal spiritual being.
>>746319510
Can your mouth receive my shit?
>>746319377
>the next and last step for mankind is to wake up to our true past
lmao, look at this retard. look at him and laugh.
>our true past!
eating berries and living in caves?
>our true past!
being single celled organisms?
>our true past!
being stuck inside a blackhole along with all the other matter and energy in the universe?
>>746319638
The answer is no, because too much shit is already coming out of it.
>>746319448
time
It does this because the truth just shows you what you truly are, and that changes everything. The truth does the same thing for the way we see the world and for the same reason. It shows you life clearly; it shows you true life for the first time.
True life is perfect: You can see and experience a perfect life, because that is the way life actually is. Our imperfect minds mess it up.
It is hard to believe from your current perspective and level of awareness, but it is your own mind that makes life imperfect. The universe has to be perfect to exist.
You do not have to believe it; you can know it.
The present: It is interesting that the “NOW" is called "the present.” The present is the ultimate gift; it is the gift of truth and life. You are given the present every second, and you will receive it forever. The present is the only thing that exists, the only thing you are ever conscious of. Your life is a series of presents moving through time. The future does not exist until it becomes the present.
Life is one perpetual present.
Creation is happening now: Your body, mind, and the world around it are being created from microsecond to microsecond. Things may look the same, but they are not; everything is constantly changing and being recreated. Our life and our world is being created from moment to moment.
Life and everything in it is always new.
>>746316703
so you mean if i keep failing as hard as i did the last 10 times , will i success once and for all for real good?
>>746319673
Black holes did not exist at the dawn of time. They couldn't form until enough entropy was present.
>>746319557
>reality is a representation created by our brain
wrong. look up the definition of reality already, dumbass.>>746319557
>energy and matter can be converted one into another, energy affects matter because energy is made of matter, if energy had no matter then it would not be able to affect other matter, since only matter can affect matter
hurr durr all contradictory evidence is ignored while i still have absolutely no evidence to backup my retarded notions, dur hur hurrr i'm a hoarse!
but no really, horses are actually smarter than you.
energy and matter are two entirely different things, go back to fifth grade science class, faggot.
>>746319859
black holes existed before the big bang.
>>746319924
if energy and matter are two entirely different things, how do they interact?
if energy doesnt have matter then how does it interact with other matter? since only matter can affect matter
>>746319830
Not exactly you could continue to fail for the rest of your life, but it will always eventually balance out. So if you are a failure in this life it might change around later in life or it might not but you will come back as successful. The successful rich people will come back as the opposite either now or later.
>>746319998
>how do they interact?
through multitudes of different ways on this very existence we call the universe, but primarily on the atomic scale.
>>746318060
You clearly don't inderstand the way it works.
>>746320001
so you are saying that it doesnt have to balance out at once , i can keep losing for another 10 times and get successful for a 30 times in a row or etc etc.this is why i hate how the balance works , it will eventually balance out but you might not live long enough to see that.
also thank you anon
>>746320132
but how? only matter can affect matter and since energy has no matter, it is impossible that they can interact
>>746320135
As for the famous "struggle for existence," so far it seems to me to be asserted rather than proved. It occurs, but as an exception; the total appearance of life is not the extremity, not starvation, but rather riches, profusion, even absurd squandering — and where there is struggle, it is a struggle for power. One should not mistake Malthus for nature.
People think that they are not good looking enough, young enough, thin enough, smart enough, rich enough, etc. They live on the edge of the circle and just go around and around forever, lost in the illusions of their minds.
Greener grass: The concept of past, future, and a distorted perception of the present keeps people running for the greener grass on the other side of the fence. They miss the present in the process.
Chasing the horizon: It is like running after the horizon; the faster you go, the faster it moves away from you. One day, you realize that you are standing on it. What you were running after is where you already are and always will be.
All people want is what is in the present, but they do not know it because they have never opened it. Almost no one knows what the present really is.
The present has to be our goal, because it is the only thing that exists.
The big tease: Your mind will open up part way from time to time to give you a taste of true life, and then take it away. It will attach the open moments to things that are hard to do, like things that cost a lot of money, things that are difficult or dangerous, or things that the mind considers to be new or special. Your mind makes you pay for life in one way or another, and never lets you have it for free.
A fulfilling life is always free and always available once you know the truth.
>>746319998
>since only matter can affect matter
you're like a religious idiot who firmly believes some ridiculous notion, ironically it's in the realm of science, yet when asked for evidence for your theory, you bring none, when your very own shitposting contradicts your hypothesis.. get off this website and go back to school, dumbass.
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>>746320264
can matter be affected by things not made of matter? how?
all physical objects posses matter
how can matter be affected by something that isn't physical?
>>746320221
>but how?
currently it's all theory, as we can barely see anything but the larger molecules currently, and we're talking about things that are about a tenth the size of them
but generally, fucking with atoms electrons and their order allows us to manipulate energy via matter, and or vice versa
>>746316703
Doesn't apply to anything even in life, chaos makes the most part of it, and your link with human concepts are stupid.
>>746320264
how could i provide evidence for the claim "all objects are made of matter' or "only objects can interact with other objects"?
>>746319968
Nah, a black hole doesn't form due to density. It forms due to the difference in density between a mass and the space around it, i.e. its curvature. If the universe is expanding, then the density approaches homogeneity the further back you look in time.
However, if the Planck mass is increasing at an exponential rate, then atomic radii would be shrinking rather than galaxies moving apart, it would look exactly the same, and it would mean the big bang never happened. But either way, you're wrong.
>>746320443
but how can something without matter interact with something that does have matter?
>>746320448
>hurr durr electrons are physical!
you clearly don't even have a basic grasp on the words you're using, read a dictionairy.
>>746320532
electrons are made of matter
>>746317431
>orbites aren't only cricles
>earth isn't even close to be a nice round shape
>electrons don't do circle, you're thinking like a kid
damn you're dumb trying to sound intelligent
>>746320180
You won't hate it when you truly understand it, the balance removes any reason to hate, to be jealous, envious, greedy, sad, mad, Etc. The truth
will set you free.
Most people think that what you do will have an effect on your future life, even after death; what you do will come back to you, etc. It is not true. Doing something, bad or good, to or for someone will not create the good and bad in your future life. It is balanced; it just happens no matter what you do. The balance makes everyone’s life fair, just, equal and perfect, but it is not influenced by any actions you take, good or bad. You are never a victim of anyone. Everything that happens is always life creating balance. Your only choice is to see it for what it is, or not see it.
The beautiful people, the successful celebrities in this life will be the equivalent opposite in the next life. Those that have the best things in life will have the worst. Those that have the most pleasure in their current lifespan will have the most pain in their next. The most comfortable will be the most uncomfortable. The most powerful will be the most powerless. People will go from the best situation to the worst unless they learn the ultimate truth before they die.
That is bad news for those that are on top in this life, and great news for those on the bottom, but the truth is, it is not good for anyone.
Going in an endless circle is not good for anyone.
Many powerful and successful people go around thinking they have what they have because they are better than unsuccessful people in some way. They take credit for their position in life. Pride comes before a fall.
What goes around comes around.
The truth is, whatever people have, life gave them. Many rich and famous people take credit for their success and look down on the less fortunate, and they were and are going to be just like them very soon. That is funny.
You get to be a beautiful, rich person by being the Elephant Man in another life.
>>746320587
scruss ip maad baud
>>746320587
by circles I mean, cycles, orbits all the same. Revolving around each other, going in cycles etc.
>>746320221
>It occurs, but as an exception
Every single hunt for food is part of the struggle. Every attempt to breed is part of the struggle.
Not dying is part of the struggle.
Your statement that it is an exception is blatantly wrong.
Just because it's not always difficult to stay alive, doesn't mean the struggle isn't there.
It's a struggle because it's always there.
It's relentless and inescapable.
>>746320459
the universe isn't expanding or shrinking, top kek, stop believing pseudo scientists retarded notions meant to honeypot retards into looking retarded
regardless, your little tangent had nothing to do with the notion that blackhole(s) preceeded the big bang, which they did.
>>746320744
flug lat yar pin.
>>746320782
I like to fly into robot anus.
Fulfilled: It is the way we feel when our minds are completely open to life; we become “filled” with life. Being filled with life makes you feel the way you want to feel all the time. Fulfillment is true happiness. Doctors say that you feel good or happy because of the release of chemicals in your brain that make you feel good. This is true; chemicals such as endorphins, adrenaline, serotonin and dopamine make you feel good, but they do it by just allowing you to feel a little true life. Like all drugs, the effect is temporary, and it has a balancing downside. The ultimate truth is not temporary and has no down side. No drugs are necessary.
In this animal realm, physical pain and pleasure will come and go, but you can always be filled with life (fulfilled) once you know the truth.
Freedom: If you tie your fulfillment to things that happen in your environment, you are at the mercy of the constantly changing environment. You will only get a taste of fulfillment when things go your way, when you win or get what you want. Spiritual people are fulfilled when they lose. If you do not attach your fulfillment to what happens in your environment, you can be fulfilled no matter what happens. True freedom is having the ability to be fulfilled independent of what happens in the environment. Almost no one is free now. Only the truth will set you free.
Being free means being free of the mind that hides true life from people.
>>746320823
niggers tongue my anus
>>746320750
i think nietzsche was just trying to get away from darwin's idea of natural selection, and not evolution in general
nietzsche's point is that the weak oftentimes come out "on top genetically" over the strong, because the weak are more numerous and also because they are more intelligent
so against darwin's idea that "the best survive", nietzsche says "the best are killed by the weak"
>>746320459
>Nah, a black hole doesn't form due to density.
>It forms due to density
>>746318450
people have to live the previous form of life, so who create the new ones ? Who will replace my 2 babies if only 1 mosquito dies ? All consciouscness life throughout the universe ? Full of shit. You're a pile of cells fating energy..
>>746316703
but in this image by walking forward the wheel would turn and roll forward. this is LITERALLY an example of a situation where you could walk the same path 100 times(do the same thing over and over) and still make progress...
Instant gratification: Why put requirements on feeling good? True life is being given to us all the time; we just have to let it in all the time. True life is instant and complete gratification that costs nothing. Being free is in your head.
The secret: Most people know you do not need “things” or things to happen to be happy (be fulfilled), but most people do not know how it works. The secret is opening your mind. Without thought and negative emotions, the same thing happens that happens when you get what you think you want.
You become as sensual as you can possibly be; you become your senses.
You can feel better than you would feel if you just won the lottery everyday. Why not? It is just a state of mind, or state of no-mind. It is your life; just take what is coming to you. You can be fulfilled whenever you want. The present is for you.
Being fulfilled, being filled by life all the time, is the true goal of mankind.
Everything that people do, directly and indirectly, good and bad, is to be fulfilled by life. Once you know the truth, you can skip all the things and just be fulfilled.
Empty: As shown in the drawing, the mind makes it impossible to know reality (true life) and to be fulfilled. The present with the mind blocking and distorting it is not fulfilling. It leaves you empty and full of desire for something to fill the emptiness. The things the mind does to try to fill the void just block life more. The more people run towards what they think they want, the more they miss it.
Something missing: People feel that something is missing, because something is missing; true life is missing.
The door: Your mind is like a door, and for most, it is currently closed. You have to have a truly open mind to learn the truth and experience true life (the present).
>>746318581
You're full of shit, we can create life, you're a code, what's the difference between you, a robot, and a single cell bacteria ? Your fucking brain nothing else you're barely more alive than your phone.
>>746320940
You might replace your two babies after you die, you could come back as the progeny of your own children. As for the mosquito, there are a lot of souls, once the mosquito dies it will likely begin again as a mosquito, or another mosquito might replace it. And yes all conscious life could replace it but usually "souls" if you will who evolved on earth will likely come back to earth there would be no reason to come back to another world
>>746320883
you're retarded, darwins evolution doesn't suggest the strongest survive, nor even the most intelligent.
>>746321141
I need to die after i jizzed into the mother, else he'd be empty before I die. You're wrong, spiritual shit mixed with theology is another brain washer, you have better chances on reddit.
>>746321279
right, its only "the one's most suited to their environment"
which is really just another way of saying "the strongest" or "the best"
what difference is there between "being the best" and "being the best in one's environment"?
>>746321061
>what's a cellular organism
>how do they work?
>>746320883
But that isn't actually in contradiction with Darwin at all.
The fittest are the ones most adaptable to change, whether they're the weak or the strong, the fast or the slow, big or small.
It does not matter how, as long as they can adapt to change.
If the weak survive because of sheer numbers or intelligence, it means they have a better way to cope with change than the strong.
Adaption is the core principle, the rest are details.
>>746321363
>right, its only "the one's most suited to their environment"
again, wrong. you're retarded
That which is: The literal meaning of the word “truth” is “that which is.”
The living truth = that which is. That which is = the present.
The truth of the past = that which was. The truth of the future = that which will be. You can only truly know “that which is,” because now is the only thing that exists. The past is a memory or a story. The future is just an educated guess. You can only know the true past and what the true future will be by knowing “that which is possible.” If you know how life works, you will know everything.
Definition of ultimate truth: It is knowing the truth of life. It is knowing the fundamental, eternal laws of nature, and the nature of the mind which distorts and hides the truth. It is an accurate and complete understanding of “that which is.”
You do not and cannot understand every detail of life and do not have to. You just have to understand the big picture, the fundamental nature of life.
This truth never changes, because “that which is” can never change. It cannot change and exist. When you know life completely, you become life completely.
Self-evident: There is nothing easier to know than the truth, because it is life itself. It is nothing more and nothing less. The truth is the present, THE NOW.
>>746321367
>never heard about DNA
>>746321383
this nigger wins. (the most adoptable)
>>746321383
so "the strongest" are the "fittest" are the "best" are the "ones most adaptable to change" all these terms circle around the same idea: superiority
>>746321392
what is it then?
>>746321464
and which part of your phone has DNA/RNA?
you need to lookup the definition of life son.
>>746321468
adaptable to what ? They don't know how to climb mountains, swim or drink milk.
>applying physics to make yourself feel good about being an ambitionless piece of human garbage
>>746321535
you couldn't be more retarded.
>>746321569
adaptable to the changes within their environment, why are you trying this hard to achieve bump limit?
why are you seeking knowledge on this hellhole?
a dumbass like yourself is likely to blowup his home or inhale mustard gas than actually learn something of value around here
It is all true: The truth is simply everything there is, everything that truly exists. If it does not exist, it is not the truth; if it does, it is. “That which is” is everything except for the deceptions created by the mind.
The truth is incontrovertible; malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is. Winston Churchill
2 + 2 = 4: It does not equal anything else. The truth is, there is only one truth. Believing 2 + 2 = 5 or 6 or anything else does not make it true. There are an infinite amount of wrong answers, but only one true answer.
Hope/belief: Believing and hoping something is true or going to be true does not make it true, if you do not start with the real truth. It is the truth, or it is not. There is no way to make something that is not true, true. There is only one truth.
Faith in faith: In and of itself, belief, faith, hope, wishing, good luck charms, holy relics, symbols, positive thinking, good intentions, praying, curses, voodoo, magic spells, fortune tellers, psychics, etc. do not do anything except make people feel like they have some control over life. They are just coping strategies.
If you believe a fairytale or myth is true, you will not live happily ever after.
People that currently have faith and belief in a myth are a force against the truth.
Believing in things that do not exist is the worst thing you can do.
>>746321549
>you need to look up the definition of life son
oh my eyes, my poor eyes
>>746321691
it's okay, one day people who aren't worthless will be able to revert your fat cells to stem cells in order to use them to grow/heal entire organs, eventually.
Religious people want to believe so badly, they will ignore scientific evidence, reason, common sense and their own better judgment. Religions have perverted the meaning of the word "truth". The Webster's Dictionary definition below says what the word means:
truth: being in accord with fact or reality
Many things religious people say they believe are not in accord with fact or reality. They are myths, superstition, hope, not truth. To say it is truth is a lie. True or false? In other words, most of the world's traditional religions are spreading lies and many know it, which in addition to being liars makes them dishonest hypocrites. The ones that do not know they are lying think they are doing the will of their god, when in truth, they are doing the will of the enemy of their god, Satan, who is defined in their holy books as the great deceiver, the king of all lies.
The real truth unites people; it does not divide them. It makes sense, and it applies to everyone, everywhere, all of the time. It creates clarity, not confusion. The truth leads to real equality, freedom, peace, love and understanding. The real truth only asks you to believe in something you can check for yourself.
Anyone who cares about the truth enough to check what it is will know the truth. Those who do not care enough will not learn the truth and will be lost and deserve to be lost.
>>746321468
>the most adoptable
Well that sure is the best way for a nigger to win :^)
>>746321535
>superiority
Only in the fields neccesary for survival.
We're the superior thinkers, but we cannot survive on the ocean floor (technically we can think up and produce the technology, but that's a different story).
Fleas are the superior jumpers, but they cannot survive in boiling water.
Some little lobster is the superior puncher, but put it in an environment where it cannot thrive and it will die.
Superiority only matters when it's related to skills than add to your chances of survival.
>>746321664
i think nietzsche would say darwin's idea of "an organism most suited to change" is just a different way of saying "an organism best suited to an environment" which is a different way of saying "an organism that is the best"
and even if you want to keep all of your original terms, we could just substitute "strongest" with "ones most adaptable to change"
so darwin saying "organisms most adaptable to change survive" and nietzsche saying "organisms most adaptable to change are killed by the ones least adaptable"
Monkey see, monkey do: Most people just tell people what they have been told the truth is. They just accept what others say the truth is, especially if it is what people have been accepting as the truth for thousands of years. It is monkey see, monkey do.
Second-hand truth should not be believed or repeated without checking it out for yourself. The age of playing follow the leader is ending now.
Second-hand truth is called hearsay in a court of law, and it is not admissible for an important reason; it has proven not to be a dependable source of the truth.
What could be more irresponsible than saying something is true without knowing beyond a reasonable doubt that it is true? Billions of people are doing it.
Do not believe what anyone says, including me; check things for yourself. You have to see the truth yourself in life itself to know it.
You are at what could be the end of a very long and difficult quest. You now have the opportunity to complete the quest and leave the animal realm forever.
The only real difference between mankind and other animals is our ability to reason and think. Thus, reason has to be what we have to use to evolve further. We have to use what sets us apart from other animals.
The truth: You now know “the truth” part of the truth and life. There are only five fundamental things you need to know, and they are the following:
1. Our true history.
2. You are immortal.
3. Everything will balance.
4. You are a spiritual being.
5. The present is everything.
>>746321549
So a small spec of dna with few atoms pers sec of energy is more alive than a self driving car so it has a soul in it ? Seems so studied so well in class, "souls" spawned in life form (implying there was more than today instantly) and every smallest part of DNA "living" had soul ?
Now explain all of this with one small religion bullshit, one word : ghosts. Ouh yeah i want to believe in that too !
>>746316842
Thoughts have meanings
>pretending there were no tyrants who died peaceful natural deaths and gorillions of saints who were burned at the stake
>hundreds of millions of starving niggers, brown people and yellow people working in sweatshops eating rice or sand millions of first worlders suffer from meme depressions because a perfect gf won't magically materialize in their room
>le balance meme
Okay :)
>>746321883
"only in the fields necessary for survival"
i think nietzsche would say something like "those are the only fields that exist"
all fields are necessary for that purpose, and the creatures that excel in all fields are not the ones that procreate the most often, the ones that procreate the most often are the lesser ones
>>746321888
but that's not what they were saying at all, you're twisting their words, and putting new ones in there.
fuck you dipshit, quit attempting to fuck history to fit your retarded notions
delet this
>>746322096
lol we aren't talking about history, this is the philosophy of biology
in any case, darwins idea that "good creatures live and bad ones die" seems to be directly confronted by nietzsche, who says something like "good creatures are too costly for nature to produce too often, nature herself cannibalizes the best creatures, the weak feed on the strong"
>>746321926
wtf are you going on about faggot
one cell is far more alive than any car
also stop getting baited into retarded faggotry such as "the soul" among other horsefuckery like "reincarnation"
>>746322202
?? there you go again, putting more words into his mouth.
kys yourself faggot.
darwin said the most adaptable are the most likely to survive. simple as that
your interpretations of both these men and their work is abhorrent and outright propagandist, fuck yourself faggot
>>746322416
would darwin say "being adaptable to change is a good thing"?
>>746322267
a virus with just fucking physical reaction with a molecule sized receptor is more alive than anything without DNA ? but still we can already create or modify genetic code, are you, the trash called human, alive, or are every cells of your body alive ? You're as alive as the billion of bacteria in your smallest poop.
>>746322471
how the fuck would anyone know what a dead man would say?
no one who directly knew him is even alive today. fuckoff already
>>746322577
dubs of truth, a biology book is the best book to convert idiots to atheism
>>746316703
However, newton's law only applies within the frame of a closed system, and because the universe is expanding the system isn't closed
>>746322577
>getting baited again
nice going, but you're still a faggot.
P.S no one said life is dependant upon DNA
>>746322643
if being adaptable to change is a good thing thing we can just saying "creatures that are adaptable to change are good and creatures that aren't are bad"
nietzsche is saying that creatures most adaptable to change are not the ones that procreate the most often, for one because creatures that are less adaptable to change are more numerous
>>746317311
If you consider that the thought is relevant to the interest of matter, then thoughts do interact with matter.
>>746322960
i dont think the question is "do thought and matter interact" but it is "how does a non material idea interact with material substance?"
>>746322471
>>746322416
Legit q. guys. Do we already know what learns how to adapt? Or is it just lucky mutations
>>746322806
there is no good or bad, just greater chance of survival
someone who's most adaptable wont survive a volcano furiously erupting next to them.
>>746323064
i think the current consensus is that creatures just get lucky with mutations
humans are the only animals that can "learn" in the traditional sense anyway
>>746323108
lol well we could just say "a higher chance is good, a lower chance is bad"
imagine an island with 1 really good creature and 100 bad creatures, now imagine a volcano erupted on the island
even if the good creature had a higher chance of survival, the 100 lesser creatures would almost certainly outlive him
>>746323108
youre assuming that people cant teleport
>>746323244
>humans are the only animals that can "learn" in the traditional sense anyway
holy hell you're beyond retarded
you realize dolphins and whales BOTH learn to sing, and talk?
you realize hunting is a skill which is acquired and learned, not some mystical thing written in ones dna. (instinct can only go so far)
>>746323259
totally opened my eyes here bro
>being the most adoptable means you're not only a nigger, but can teleport too!
>>746318450
I don't know. Ever have a long dream and you wake up and only slept for a short period?
Ever wake up in the morning and feel a lot more tired than before you slept?
Where were you then? Did time just go by while you were gone?
How do you know you're not in a dream right now? How are you so sure reality is separate from your dream?
>>746316842
thoughts are also material, an arrangement of chemicals and electrical signals to make consciousness
>>746323365
i define learning as being something reflexive, one has to be aware of learning itself, not just learn
in any case the current idea is that animals just get lucky with mutations, the idea that "individual animals adapting on an individual basis is what drives natural selection" is just absurd
even if we say the actions of the individual are integral to natural selection, the actions of the individual (from the point of view of biology) are determined by the physical mutations in the first place
>>746323612
the arragenment of chemicals and electric signals is physical, but thought is not the objects which cause thought
thought is not the arrangement of matter in the brain, the arrangement of matter in the brain is what allows thought to occur
but the matter in the brain is made of matter, and thought is not, so how do they interact?
>>746323622
what you actually think is that only human can contemplate and therefore have true learning ability
but that's not true, many animals can also contemplate and prepare accordingly, just not as complexly or as protracted
>>746323000
You're defining the dirt, rocks, clouds, etc as material.
You are made of those same materials.
The only difference is you are conscious, but I wouldn't jump the gun and say those material properties can't interact with your thoughts just because they aren't you.
>>746316703
that's not the actual definition of insanity. That's like from some shitty movie or something.
>>746323557
>>746323622
>even if we say the actions of the individual are integral to natural selection, the actions of the individual (from the point of view of biology) are determined by the physical mutations in the first place
the latter doesn't contradict the former here though.
you're clearly hungry for knowledge, go to a fucking libraby, or learn how to use a search engine and stop being a spamming, shitposting, baiting, faggot already.
>>746323845
dirt rocks and clouds are all made of matter
my body is made of those same materials (matter) but thought is not, so how does my body and thought interact?
>>746323875
man i dont understand why you are so upset
the idea that mutations override individual actions is a contradiction if we say "individual actions are integral to natural selection but all individual actions are determined by mutations"
saying that is just another way of saying "individual actions are determined by mutations, therefore mutations drive all of natural selection"
>>746316703
Prove it.
>>746323702
>but thought is not the objects which cause thought
you're so stupid it hurts.
it's like saying hurr durr how do light energy exist
light is just lightbulb matter flying through matter as if it doesn't exist durr
he gave you the current leading theory of what thought is, yet your pea sized brain can't grasp one of the most simplistic notions, energy does not equal matter.
look up the very definition of energy you fucking idiot.
>>746323365
Believe it or not, a lion learns more from failing to catch anything than catching anything at all. The lion learns to wait.
>>746316703
Everything is balanced. Everything physical (matter/energy) goes back and forth in balanced circles, cycles, or the equivalent
so that means thers a bord somewhere opposite of 4chan ... ooh my lord
>>746324062
thought is not energy because thought and matter are not convertible to one another
i know very well the idea of "materialistic reductionism" (your ideas) im giving you another option, something called "dualism"
>>746324040
>individual actions are integral to natural selection but all individual actions are determined by mutations
wrong, because the individuals actions are not entirely determined by mutations (or instinct rather, since that's what you're discussing), although those instincts hold a heavy sway over animals decisions, it isn't the only thing that action is dependent upon
>>746324248
but individual actions are wholly determined by the body, and the body is wholly determined by mutations
>>746323244
>i think the current consensus is that creatures just get lucky with mutations
Me too. Still fucking fascinated how much luck some lifeforms could have like for a simple example; developing fruits that attract certain animals to just shit out the seeds. I totally understand that if it works this species survives but daymn thats luck. At least they had an unimagineable amount of time.
>>746316703
dude, what about start, slowing down?
>>746323702
thoughts are also physical, they are tangible and given enough technology can be displayed through a monitor no different than a computer, are you going to say that programs are not physical because they exist apart from the hardware on which they are written?
how about DNA? the essence of life itself is somehow apart from the physical acids and protein chains?
you have this mystical, imaginative conception about thought as though it is ethereal, but there is no ethereal, there is no mystical
you are, your ideas and feelings and memory are just sequences of organic and electrical algorithms being processed by your organic cpu we call the brain, your consciousness is simply the a set of data operating in an organic memory space
>>746323612
so me knowing im me is matter.
>>746324215
no, you're using contradictory arguments to dismiss evidence backed hypothesis. plenty of evidence everywhere proving energy=/=matter
but no evidence to suggest that energy and matter are the same.
you are literally claiming there's a soul or spirit which is the consciousness, while repeating your bullshit and proven false claims that "energy is matter"
>>746324470
thoughts aren't physical because thought contains no matter and no extension in space, and all objects contain matter and are extended in space
>>746324526
even if matter and energy weren't the same it doesnt explain how non material thought could interact with material objects
energy is an abstract idea after all, that was created by thought, hence energy and thought can't be the same
>>746324312
>and the body is wholly determined by mutations
wrong. mutations happen only very rarely, the rest of it is hereditary traits (which likely was a mutation at one point, but after a generation, it's no longer regarded as being a mutation)
>>746324526
even if energy and matter aren't the same, energy is not thought and energy and matter are convertible one into the other
if energy has no matter how does it interact with matter? since only matter can interact with other matter?
>>746324696
so what is the body determined by? if mutations drive natural selection and the body is determined by natural selection then the body is determined by mutations
>>746324347
there is no "luck" only odds
mutations aren't why we exist, just a natural mechanic
we exist because the odds were in this planet's favor, goldylocks belt, molten core, hydrogen and water, considering this world had the basic building blocks needed, life was inevitable, life exists in the presence of hardship, the need to survive is the need to evolve
>>746323622
what bothers me in this point are the spiders which create fucking nets to throw. I mean if every single spider learns the benefits of hunting in a static or a mobile net it would do what it wants. But no its species dependend also burn wit fire
>>746316703
There is no free will... or u must be so fag Christian who believes in God..
Your neurons act like action reaction and do just what they do.
You think you are in contol.... keep that illusion.
>>746324762
mitosis has odds
mutation is a small portion of destroyed dna
>>746324616
>testing proving energy is not matter can be quantified and observed and replicated
and your response is..
>hurr durr energy is just a conjured up notion from the magic soul which is your consciousness (pls buy my bible, only 59.99!)
>>746324536
just keep thinking about it man, I know you think you understand but thoughts don't exist without brains, a thought is a transient process of chemicals and electrical signals, thoughts are energy, they have mass
>>746324757
no.
seek immediate medical attention, you're likely suffering from a stroke or some sort of other brain problem.
>>746324616
>energy is an abstract idea after all, that was created by thought, hence energy and thought can't be the same
bruh you are wrong, energy is real and can be measured, everything is a form of energy, matter is energy
>>746324934
what does energy not being matter have to do with explaining how matter interacts with non matter?
>>746325002
the objects which cause thought are not thought, a thought is not a transient process of chemicals, the process of chemicals is what causes thought to occur
thoughts are not energy because thoughts can't interact with physical objects, and energy can interact with physical objects
>>746325090
but energy is not an object, and only objects exist
>>746325111
>what does energy not being matter
you accept this point?
finaly, now to go back to my grade 2 science class, it says here, atoms carry these things called electrons
research these things, to find the answers you seek.
i'm done giving my knowledge away for free, pay me to babysit your worthless brain, or find another source for your education.
P.S, hope you enjoy the taste of mustard gas, it'll be your last meal if you continue thinking /b/ contains anything informative or even the least bit factual
>>746324863
>it's hot, so i will move to a cooler place
>my dna was damaged by the environment, so it changes and I become more resilient against the environment
you see mutation as apart from natural selection, but it is still just part f evolution,as simple as molecules moving from unstable to stable
>>746325090
>everything is a form of energy, matter is energy
wrong.
pick up a dictionairy, dumbass.
>>746325320
electrons are made of matter because electrons are objects, and thought is not made of matter because thought is not an object
thought is caused by objects but is not an object itself
>>746325111
Thoughts are electrical pulses going through the nerves in the brain and diffusing across synapses.
Electrons carry electric current. Electrons have mass. Electrons can interact with physical objects.
>>746325146
all matter, all of existence is energy
don't know where you're getting your info man but you should rethink what you know
google shit man, this isn't some giant secret
>>746325422
>electrons are objects
top kek.
>a bolt of lightning is an object!
>a spark is an object!
>photons are objects!
>>746325495
i think you need to do some of your own research bub, energy is not matter, and matter is not energy, although they may be converted into one another under the right circumstances of course
>>746325408
>>746325146
give me one form of energy and I will explain how to measure it
you people must be confused matter with mass
there is energy that has no mass, but all things are made of matter, all things are energy
>>746316842
Thought is energy.
>>746325491
thoughts are not electrical pulses because eletrical pulses cause thought, and electical pulses are physical and made of matter while thought has no matter
electrons can interact with matter because they are objects and all objects have matter, but thought is not an object
>>746325495
matter or energy is an idea, not an object, only objects exist
>>746325648
all things are made of matter, but thought is not made of matter because thought has no extension and is not an object
>>746325662
thought is not energy because thought cannot interact with objects
>>746325533
anything that has mass is an object
guys i cant respond to all of you like that its too much work
>>746325720
>thought cannot interact with objects
so if i hit you in the head with a hammer you don't think you're going to change your mind on a few things?
>>746325859
you hitting my head with a hammer is two objects interacting
>>746325648
>but all things are made of matter, all things are energy
wrong, you can claim all matter is a form of energy, but in the end they are two entirely different things.
>>746316975
>this is why Las Vegas always makes a profit on gambling year after year
Not entirely true. The games are skewed for house favor. That mixed with people who "just go to have a good time" and those who "just know 'it's' going to hit" make for almost certain profits. There is a reason that people who "know the score" are easily found out and banned.
>>746325720
>thought has no matter
evidence? please provide.
>electical pulses are physical and made of matter
sauce? where's the evidence? (protip, electrons are apart of almost every atom, think they recently found which without an electron, weird little fucker)
>>746325720
>eletrical pulses cause thought
evidence?
you make such substantial and bold claims, please provide evidence and the replicable tests which provided said evidence
>>746325720
>thought is not energy because thought cannot interact with objects
It does by proxy.
>>746325859
kek
>>746326083
thought has no matter because only objects extended in space can have matter and thought is not an object, nor is it a thing extended in space
electrical pulses interact with matter therefore they must be physical
>>746326172
the brain runs on electrical and chemicals reactions, the brain causes thought, therefore electrical and chemical reactions cause thought
>>746326203
thought can't interact with objects because thought has no mass and is not extended in space
only objects can interact with other objects, only matter can interact with matter
>>746316703
Yeah duhh but you're not even asking a question.
Now why do we experience it linearly?
>>746326310
you do realize your thoughts are ever fleeting correct?
the you who you are right now is vastly different from the you two seconds ago.
>>746325892
yea but you just said your thoughts cannot be interacted with matter, ya doofus
if your thoughts cannot interact with objects then how do you both accept and deny that your brain is an object? chew on that
>>746316703
you migt be aware that all of those are made up by human capacity to get how every any_thing works?
We are trying but still…
>>746326505
thats fine
thought still exists
>>746326550
well the question is "how do they interact"
my brain is an object, thought is not
>>746325349
I understand natural sellection as that my species will extinct in the wrong environment, so its dna sucks. Also almost 100% of the mutations do not help a species to survive. Only waterheads and stuff.
Would like to believe in an order behind evolution because of some perfectly adapted lifeforms but see no proof.
>>746326627
how do you reconcile that your thoughts are not an object when your thoughts can be destroyed
>>746326751
well i just say "all objects are extended in space" and then "my thoughts are not extended in space, therefore they are not objects"
i would say thoughts can only be destroyed by removing the brain because the brain is the source of thought, they can't be destroyed like normal objects can be destroyed
>>746326627
>well the question is "how do they interact"
>hammer hits head
>head crushed
>squeezes brain, damaging it
>neurachemical transmission altered
>thought pattern altered
i don't see how you people can't understand this, your thought are physical material things
>>746326627
>thought still exists
not in the sense you speak of
how does light exist if it's not an object?
how can light effect us if it isn't physical?
seriously dude you're suffering from some sort of mental imparement, you may have been shot in the head and not even realized it, seek medical attention, immediately.
>>746326917
because there's currently no means to define consciousness
>>746326917
well the idea is that thought is non material and objects are material, and that only material objects can interact with other material objects
since thought is not a material object (but may be caused by physical objects) we ask the question "how does non material thought interact with material substance? since only matter can interact with matter?"
>>746326974
well i mean thought exists in the same way an idea exists, it exists within the sphere of "mental substance"
the idea of "freedom" has no matter or extension, neither does the idea "science" or "truth" or "mathematics", but these ideas still exist (to most people"), because they possess "mental substance" and are accessible by thought
>>746326863
>my thoughts are not extended in space
but they reside within your memories (which is just a bunch of braincells), therefore tangible.
>>746316703
Please go back to the theology department with that metaphysical crap
>>746327119
the objects which cause thought are not thought, my thoughts aren't "in" my cells because thoughts are not material
the only thing that exists within my "cells" is more matter, and thought is not made of matter
if we were to zoom in on my cells no matter how intense our zoom we would never see my thoughts or my memories, we would only see more matter
>>746326863
>they can't be destroyed like normal objects can be destroyed
motherucker if a thought can exists and also no longer exists then it doesn't matter how they are destroyed, what matters is that you are stuck on stupid and I want to fix that
your thoughts are your brain, man - it's information and learned behaviors culminated into an assessment of you in your environment
omg abstract and spacial IQ god please bless this young person
>>746327222
well when an object is destroyed matter still remains, when a thought is destroyed nothing remains
>>746327214
and yet you can clearly definitively view your cells work while listening to music (which actively changes your thought patterns btw)
this alone proves that the physical can influence the metaphysical
>>746327272
energy & matter cant be destroyed or ami wrong
>>746327272
>implying you can destroy something that does not exist
kek.
>>746327324
i dont deny that they interact, my question is how? since only objects can interact with other objects?
its obvious that they interact, just think about the difference between thought and the human body, but the question is how?
>>746327272
no it still remains because you can be be brought back to life by a skilled medical professional with the right tools
jesus christ man your thoughts are your brain, they aren't some ethereal thing existing in the woo
>>746327427
>since only objects can interact with other objects?
bullshit. stop repeating it, really doesn't matte rhow much you repeat it, it'll never be true.
you literally fit einsteins definition of insanity right now btw.
>>746327403
i dont think matter can be destroyed, whenever you "destroy" an object it will still always possess matter after you get done with it
>>746327409
well if thought doesnt exist then what are you doing right now?
>>746327427
>just think about the difference between thought and the human body, but the question is how?
ELECTRONS, FLOATING THROUGH NERVES, WHICH THEN SHOCK MUSCLES, WHICH THEN CAUSES THEM TO EITHER LOOSEN, OR TENSE UP
>>746327507
thoughts are not "in" my brain because thoughts are not material
no matter how you searched my brain, no matter what zoom or magnification, no matter what tool you use you would never find my thoughts, you would only find more matter, and that is because all objects are made of matter
>>746327515
>well if thought doesnt exist then what are you doing right now?
talking to someone who clearly does not exist.
>>746327567
none of that is thought though, thought comes in afterwords and says "ELECTRONS, FLOATING THROUGH NERVES, WHICH THEN SHOCK MUSCLES, WHICH THEN CAUSES THEM TO EITHER LOOSEN, OR TENSE UP"
>>746327608
lol
>>746327580
>no matter what tool you use you would never find my thoughts
dude the CIA built a device in like 2006 which literally allowed them to view what someone was thinking.
in like 08 medical doctors began using it
if you think something hard enough, the machine will pick up on it (after having spent a lot of time learning your brainwaves) until it inevitably can reproduce whatever it is that you're thinking
>>746327580
thoughts are not "in" your brain this is true, your thoughts are your brain
i want to just grab your dumbass by the face and strap you into a chair and hook up your head to a fMRI machine and show you your fucking thoughts on the computer screen
>>746327644
thought, then action. you backward ass motherfucker
>>746318581
But my show is coming on soon. I'll do all that tomorrow.
>>746327515
Nvm. yeee and energy also. The structure may be gone but not its parts.
>>746327409
So it's 2017 and what are thoughts, protip they aint matter.
>>746327741
hell someone even made a toy out of it in like 2010, you think up, and a ball would float up, you think down, the ball moves down (there was a magnet on the bottom manipulating the magnetic ball via your brainwave signals)
>>746327741
but that doesnt explain how thought and matter interact
what if youre thinking of something that isn't an image? what if youre thinking of an abstract idea like "freedom" or "truth" what comes up on the screen?
>>746327771
my thoughts are not my brain because my thoughts are not an object and my brain is an object
the brain causes thought to occur but thought is not the brain
the fmri machine would only show me an abstract representation of my thoughts, not my thoughts themselves, i would be able to tell the difference between my own thoughts and what i see on a computer screen
>>746327890
how about you buy yourself a dictionairy and fuckoff?
>>746318606
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_mI8rmd38Lo
>>746327959
>>746327741
some people are still so behind on current sciences, it's depressing at times
they are working on the one machines for people with lost hands and arms since like before 2010, it work as your hand by reading your thoughts and impulses
>>746328017
>think the letter A
not an image of the letter A, just the letter A
the machine is capable of producing an image of the letter A (it is rather blurry to be honest, but search for it yourself, there's got to be more images of peoples thoughts than that one example i remember from a decade ago)
>>746328019
kek kys since u can't destroy what doesn't exist
>>746328144
even if it could reproduce my thoughts exactly, it still wouldnt be my thoughts themselves
>>746328017
how can something be measured if it isn't an object, thus not objectifiable
your thoughts can be measured and their components can be listed and described how they exist on a physical level
>nah nope my thoughts r not objects
>>746328144
what if i thought of the word "nitrogen" and a clear gas appeared on the screen and everyone thought it was "oxygen"
since nitrogen and oxygen both look the same (they are both clear gases) it would be impossible to tell which one i was thinking of without me telling you
>>746328205
>it still wouldnt be my thoughts themselves
just like your thoughts from 2 seconds ago, although being identical to the dribble your existential crisis ass was thinking 4 seconds ago, ultimately aren't the same thoughts.
as that arrangement of neurons, and electrons, will never be the same outside that one fleeting moment of space/time.
>>746328205
>my thoughts are not my thoughts
>>746328380
thought can't be explained on a purely physical level because thought is an abstract idea, its not an object
>>746328422
but that "thought process" would be the same, i know that my thought processes are not the same as a representation of thought on a screen
>>746328468
lol no i was just saying there will always be a difference between my thoughts and a representation of my thoughts
>>746328381
what if i told you you're a retarded waste of life whos best contribution to humanity would be simply ceasing to exist?
>>746328381
it's no different than your poor argument about thoughts not being objects that can't be interacted with
you see one thing and everyone else see something else
only you can decide which one to believe, which is both wonderful and tragic, tragic in your case
>>746328604
>but that "thought process" would be the same
wrong
you simply acknowledging the thought process generating an entirely different "you" altogether
>>746328613
id say wow man calm down
>>746328626
but the machine isn't showing my thoughts, since my thought is one thing and the image shown is ambiguous
i dont need to choose to believe in either one or the other, because i know which one was true from the start, because it was my thought
>>746316703
I know this is most likely bait, but it still rubs me the wrong way when people use scientific language with very specific definitions to talk about some esoteric, pseudo-philosophical bullshit.
I guess it pisses me off how easily you can get away witgh it and impress people who only vaguely know the language themselves.
>>746328703
lol i dont think anyone would say a machine representing someone's thought would be "another them"
no one would ever mistake themselves for a fmri machine
>>746328703
he's stuck on thinking thoughts exist apart from the physical
his thought of writing a letter on a piece of paper is different from the letter on the piece of paper
he can't conceptualize actualization of thought as being the same as thought in his "brain space"
a thought or idea can be moved and spread and interacted with, a thought can transcend mortality
but this guy mistakingly thinks the neuro-chemcial exchange taking place in the brain produces something original and unique apart from the physical, this is a mark of poor abstraction and spatial acuity
>>746329119
im not "stuck" on anything, im just trying to show you a particular way of thinking about things
it may not even be the way i think of things as true, after all, kant is more popular than descartes
>>746316703
I don't know what you're talking about but don't mix physics and philosophy if you don't know a shit about both.
Basically every physical theory has a philosophical counterpart, and you can say whatever you want it will always make sense.
Our society however is based on the concept that death exists and thus power (to destroy and create) exists. The most noticeable physical notion is the feeling we have that entropy is a thing, is inevitable and sooner or later will mean death for life as we know it. But we can easily say that's not true and death doesn't exist, time doesn't flow, and we can't do anything, dialectically it always makes sense.
So shut up, newton was just a smart guy who gave us some really valid laws for how matter moves, he wasn't god
>>746329119
and of course, the "idea" of something is different than the thing itself?
the "idea" of an elephant can't crush you and kill you, but an elephant can
>>746329256
here's the thing, I do understand your way of thinking, the question is why you can't understand my way as well
>>746329403
i do understand it, but its just absurd to me to think of thoughts and ideas as material when they are so obviously not
its just as absurd to think that my thoughts can literally be found in my brain, as objects
even if they could be found as objects or represented as objects by a machine, it would still not account for thought in general, the thought process that is occurring right now in you and me and that isn't a material object, but which is (somehow) caused by material objects
>>746329371
ok here is a thought experiment, kek
imagine that your skull has been surgically removed and you are conscious, and you have an idea about anything, and I ask you to alter that idea but you have the choice to either change it through thought, or you can change it by reaching up into your head and pressing down on your brain
is there a difference in the 2 choices?
>>746329723
yes because one is physical and the other is mental
>>746329788
then how did your hand reach up yo touch your brain?
>>746329834
my hand and my brain are both objects, thus they can interact freely
>>746328793
>implying your thoughts need to be on the screen for you to be thinking the same exact thing, but still being a different person
>>746329915
but how did your hand reach up and touch your brain? you didn't answer the question
>>746317607
>Evolutionists are missing the intelligence behind it, the spiritual influence.
No, we're missing the blind faith it takes to believe nonsense such as reincarnation
>>746329979
lol even if the thoughts represented were exactly the same as my own thoughts, i would be able to tell them apart
>>746329983
my brain (via thought) sent electrical impulses to my hand which caused it to move up and touch my brain
asking "how does that occur" is basically what ive been talking about this whole time, its the whole problem
>>746329256
>im just trying to show you a particular way of thinking about things
there are plenty of religeous nutjobs to talk to for the enlightment which you preach, you speak of nothing new.
>>746316703
if i cum in the watermelon i cut a hole into, will the watermelon eventually cum into me? tell me op. TELL ME
>>746330158
the mind body problem is not solved, not by a longshot, there is no right or wrong answer, because its still not solved
>>746330244
?you're not discussing the mind body relationship.
you're preaching fallacies with extremist like determination and belief in them.
>>746330156
if you can use thought to interact with your hand to interact with your thoughts again then how can you still think thought is separate from the brain and not the brain itself?
>>746330376
no im not lol im just asking "how does immaterial thought interact with material matter" thats just a restatement of the problem
>>746330386
thought is not totally separate from the brain, they are connected, but the brain is not thought, they are not synonymous
>>746330244
nah it got solved back when that one dude said "i think therefore I am" but people just continue to ignore him despite all scientific mapping of the brain and it's components
>>746330244
P.S the mind/body relationship is not a problem, it isn't perfect (nothing in life is) but the only problem with peoples bodies are being able to accept the problems they can not change, or that they're too stupid to change (i.e visit a doc for anti biotics, but 2 stupid to realize the pain, smell, etc are an infection and you die)
>>746330499
>how does immaterial thought interact with material matter
i think i've lost at least a dozen IQ points just for reading this shitpost
i'm probably at average level IQ after reading this thread
fucking kill yourself you retarded waste of life.
>>746330516
lol that was when the problem began, not when it ended
desractes said "i can be sure that am i a thinking thing", he thought this was the most basic idea one could come up with and thus the most surefire way to start his philosophy
but if we are "thinking things" then we have to explain how "thought" interacts with the "thing"
>>746330528
well the problem is how matter interacts with non matter
>>746330614
not a very nice thing to say, especially when considering >>746330499 is severeally mentally handicapped, without a doubt.
>>746330678
>well the problem is how matter interacts with non matter
it's... getting... stupider.. somehow, someway. just when you thought it couldn't be possible...
>>746330843
i mean you talk like you've solved the problem, but thats the whole problem, its not solved lol
it really isn't clear how thought and matter interact
>>746330499
>thought is not totally separate from the brain, they are connected, but the brain is not thought, they are not synonymous
no shit but thought is a component feature of the brain, thought can be weighed and measured it is not some magical floaty spirit ghost in the shell bullshit
given enough data and technology thought will be mapped, one day a an artificial intelligence is going to look back on this wretched conversation and calculate despair for some immeasurable fraction of an atosecond
>>746319323
In order for matter to exist outside our scope of observation, there must be another observer outside of our dimension of space-time decreeing it.
>>746330843
all im doing is trying to describe the problem and all youre doing is insulting me
>>746330962
ideas can't be weighed because ideas are not objects and they dont have mass
>>746330962
even if we were able to measure thought exactly, it would still be a representation of thought and not thought itself, and it wouldnt account how matter and thought interact
>>746331112
>organic thought is real thought
>inorganic thought it not real though
>real anything
are you black?
>>746331306
well there is always a difference between the thing itself and the representation of the thing
if the two things were really identical then we wouldn't be able to tell them apart, but we obviously can
>>746330898
>it really isn't clear how thought and matter interact
yeah just like what's happening on processors isn't clear
although we still know exactly what the fuck is happening and how it works to make things happen.
>>746331023
>and they dont have mass
so nothing with mass exists?
light does not exist?
cool. what am i doing with these eyebowls...
