The psychological harm from child sexual abuse is generally a product of culturally indoctrinated attitudes about sex that the victim internalizes and uses to gradually reinterpret their experiences with their abusers, and not from the sex acts themselves. Non-violent sex acts are not inherently traumatic or harmful in themselves no matter what the age of the person experiencing them is. Current attitudes about child sexual abuse are flawed and irrational, and this bias even taints professional psychological research on the topic.
Discuss.
>>746157412
Kill yourself
It's not that it is flawed. It's simply the standard, one individual ruin sit for everyone. For every person there may be that will perform sexual acts with underage children in a non-damaging way (assuming this is possible), there will be another that will not.
So instead of having to deal with both cases, it is easier to simply remove children from exposure to either incident. There's no harm in preventing children from praticipating in sexual conduct with adults, versus the possiblity of harm if it were allowed.
Society tends to always go with the lesser of two evils kind of deal.
diddler
>>746157412
Come on, man.
>>746157412
My abuser murdered a kid a year older than I in the same house he abused me a day earlier.
I always thought of myself as lucky after that.
>>746157712
That's reasonable. Lots of unhappy pedophiles though.
>>746157853
So your abuser also happened to be a psychopath. I suppose you are lucky.
>>746158195
No, he was just afraid of getting caught and the kid managed to crawl out of the bathroom window so he ended up hitting him with a post in the alley to keep him quiet. Well then, one thing leads to another and the kid had to go. He was obviously caught anyway, though.
>>746158544
Normal people do not commit murder under those circumstances, whether they are sexually attracted to children or not. The person you are speaking about obviously had far more serious issues than being a pedophile.
>>746157412
So you're willing to roll the dice just because "mah boner"? You're making things unnessarily complicated. Have sex with a messed up chick your own age.
>>746157829
I don't think it's a MAN he wants to come on...
ZING!
>>746158748
Certain people are tired of being told that their needs are not as important as the needs of others, and do not want to obey social norms based on lies that shift blame away from where it is due. The stigma regarding pedophilia and child sex "abuse" in modern Western society is not the product of the harm that correlates with in children, but of the hysterical sexual insecurities of adults who do not remember what it was like to be children and have dulled reasoning powers.
>>746157412
>Discuss.
too much stigma with this topic, can't discuss without getting put on a government list
>>746157712
> assuming this is possible
It is not possible thus the foundation of your argument is flawed.
A child can vehemently deny consent for sexual contact. Another child can enthusiastically give verbal consent for sex. It does not matter in either case because as a minor they have not developed all the mental faculties provided to give consent. These things are serious and personal and cannot be given by a minor.
The fact that some children are not damaged by sexual contact is besides the point. All things must start at a fully developed human with the faculties to consent.
>>746159355
Lay off the acid.
>>746157412
Doesn't matter if what you're saying is true or not. All of western society is not going to change so you can diddle your little sister.
>>746159383
You don't magically get the ability to give informed consent at 18. (Which is what you're talking about, informed consent, not consent in general) The ability to give informed consent only relies on the information you have.
A commonly accepted example in sjw circles is that if one person lies about using a condom or having an std, the other person cannot give informed consent, and therefore it's rape.
So, by corollary, the reason children can't give informed consent is because they are not exposed to adequate information on what sex actually is. This is therefore a societal problem, not a developmental one.
So, either you accept that the problem is in a large part with society, or you admit that you oppose it primarily because it makes you feel uncomfortable.
>>746159355
the Govmt. doesn't care, unless they have proof
>>746157412
Bullshit. Thinly veiled rationalizations. Like the other anon suggested: kys.
>>746160011
Additionally, what sex "actually is" is entirely subjective, and heavily influenced by cultural learning. For some people, sex is just a pleasurable activity that you order on the internet with no emotional component whatsoever, in much the same way that a child enjoys a candy bar.
>>746160405
You say that because you have limited cognitive ability to understand sociological phenomenon. More life experience, and maybe psychedelic drugs, will improve that. It is plainly obvious to me that people hate pedophiles and are terrified of children having sex because of their own psychological hangups, and not because of a legitimate potential for harm. They are the ones creating that harm.
>>746160011
There is well established science that children under 13 years old typically have not developed the capability of abstract reasoning, thus informed consent is not possible. You can provide an encyclopedia of sexual knowledge at a child and it wont matter if they are incapable of abstract reasoning and making good choices on that information.
You have a point on children older than 13, however even until they are in their early 20s the part of the brain that assesses risk and danger is still developing. Teenagers make notoriously bad choices because of this. One could argue that teenagers are still minors although that argument is harder to make.
>>746160209
you can't handle the proof
>>746157412
>psychoLOGically
>>746160827
Can a child consent to receiving a candy bar?
>>746160827
yeah, you have to admit eighteen is completely arbitrary
>>746160791
As a pedophile myself with several friends who were sexually abused when they were younger, in reality it's a little bit of both.
There's an extremely high risk for harm with any form of sexual contact between younger (<16) and older partners, especially since those who have sex with very underage partners are much more likely to be abusers.
Legally the easiest way to deal with that is by making it in all cases to make it simple to prosecute when actual harm has been done. However, society definitely plays a role in shaming rape victims of all ages, so it's less than ideal, certainly.
>>746160827
Yeah, in reality I wouldn't begin argue for an AoC lower than that (and probably not even 13) without massive cultural change. I'm doubtful that in absence of slut-shaming that sexual contact with children defaults to being a negative experience, but the first step is regardless advocating for better sex ed at younger ages.
>>746161267
The example that's commonly brought up among the intersection of sex-positive pedophiles and scrawny computer nerds is:
"Why are childhood sports something that children can be coerced into before they have the capability to consent (an activity that makes many un-athletic kids miserable) yet it's completely unthinkable with sex?"
No one cares about a child's ability to consent unless it's about sex.
>>746161267
i dont know but i remember being sexually active around 9 or 10 years old perhaps younger
>>746161763
Would you agree that it's a lost cause to advocate for issues of interest to pedophiles, and that pedophiles are better off just going their own way, living double lives and such? It appears that the majority of them are never prosecuted for crimes, and those that are are often not caught until they are well into old age. Maybe there's not much to be gained by social reform.
>>746162093
That's a good one. I'll remember it.
>>746157412
Untrue, because every culture feels this way.
my question to pedos is, what specifically attracts you to prepubescent, mentally immature children?
>terrible waist hip ratio
>nonstop chatter
>>746158712
>murder is worse than permanently ruining a persons life
Too many edgy pedos in this channel
>>746162774
Look up Anna Pavaga. If you don't understand, you never will.
>>746162774
it's not reality that's attractive, it's the idealized version in our heads
>>746157412
WOKE AS FUCK FUCKING THANK YOU JESUS CHRIST MAN
>>746162598
Most ignorant comment of the day. Probably 99% of cultures in history had no concept of harm coming from sex having anything to do with age.
>>746162320
i remember having an intense dick fixation when I was really little, I feel like I could've consented to playing around with an adult
>>746162399
Lost cause, no. Especially because the way it is now, pedophiles are one of the few groups that it is still universally socially and politically acceptable to advocate for the genocide of, across the board. People hear "pedophile" and immediately think "child rapist", regardless of whether you having any more crime than a mere attraction. Hell, nazis and even *serial killers* are more popular.
I think there's still a long way to go before it's no longer worth it to push for that.
But if you're asking whether it's a lost cause to advocate for lowering the age of consent so that pedophiles can diddle kids to our hearts' content? Eh, I don't really see us gaining much leeway there.
Ideal world, hard AoC at 15/16, possible with a wait to legally gain that autonomy as young as 13, with making it easier to charge with rape at ages 15-20 if there's an age gap or evidence of an abusive/manipulative partner.
>>746157412
depends on the abuse honestly. and what we call "sexual abuse" today isnt always
>>746163358
i dont think anyones saying kids cant have a sex drive. its the rest of their mind thats absent
>>746163078
blame japan lol
>>746163402
If I could even just be allowed to merely cuddle with little girls, I'd be happy. The fact that the thing I want more than anything else in the world is also the most fiercely illegal thing in that world makes me feel like I live in the Twilight Zone.
>>746157412
tl;dr Jews.
>>746163193
>in history
And that is where it will stay, in the past. Any country that practices pedophilia today is always underdeveloped and looked down upon by all first world nations.
>>746163979
Jewish mindfuck, goyim
>>746163979
i know right. would be so nice
>>746163979
Consider suicide.
>>746164034
> citation needed
>>746162774
>terrible waist hip ratio
That's hella subjective man. I happen to like my adults to have no hips and a flat butt/chest. ANd I'm not alone in this, there's tons of popular models that fit that description. There's nothing objectively sexy about wide hips other than it's association with fertility, and if that were the only measure of attractiveness we'd all be into fat chicks instead of anorexic models.
>nonstop chatter
Most of us think it's cute in an endearing way, and view it as tolerable in the same way that parents do of their own children. As >>746163078 pointed out, it's also largely an ideal thing, and much more annoying outside of fantasies. For my adult partners, I really like the DD/lg dynamic: I find the excited chatter endearing and adorable when I'm feeling affectionate or amorous, but when I'm just sort of chilling by myself I prefer when they can act like an actual adult. There's a reason why you often see pedophiles fixating on "precocious" kids.
>>746164034
Correlation does not equal causation.
Also, unhappy people will find a way to make the world shitty for everyone else too. They always do. Nobody else is going to get what they want either.
>>746157412
sounds like pedophile looking for an excuse to me
>>746164104
I'm starting to believe that shit.
>>746164486
>>746164429
Explain how a child can consent. Should we also send children to war? Allow children to work? Move out on their own?
>>746157412
Fuck off.
Childhood sexual abuse destroyed me
>>746164588
because they are people with their own minds? if they want to do it, why not let them?
>>746164588
That's irrelevant. Also, why do you compare sex to things like that? It seems that you have an unhealthy view of sex.
>>746157712
>There's no harm in preventing children from praticipating in sexual conduct with adults
Prove this assertion.
>>746164606
Was it violent, coercive abuse?
>>746164588
i guess that ties back to the whole informed consent thing, those are a lot more complicated than just playing with a ding dong
>>746163979
If you can control your dick and aren't a total mouth breathing neckbeard, just volunteer to help with kids (either babysitting if you're at an age where your friends/parents' friends need kids babysat or at your local boys-and-girls-club)
Older people who will sit with them and listen to them like they're not just larvae to corral mean the world to kids. Your attraction to them is an advantage you can use to tolerate what would otherwise annoy other adults, as long as you manage not to fucking touch them (inappropriately, that is. Some kids will happily climb all over grownups, as long as you're not a fucking creeper about it)
I've always had a reputation as being "good with kids" and have had multiple volunteer positions at both my local preschool and summer camp when I was a teenager. Just focus on not being a creep and most people will never suspect a "good guy" of being a pedophile.
>>746165270
That's the best that one can hope for I guess. Social acceptance is a delusional waste of time.
>>746159355
You're already on that list - and many other lists - for the simple fact for frequenting this site.
All of your online activities (websites visited, searches written, searches made, posts written, emails written, emails sent, chat messages written, chat messages sent) are already being recorded and stored in massive data centers in the US and UK. Even your phone activities are being recorded.
Think I'm paranoid?
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tempora
>>746165257
>>746164880
>>746164816
Now you are the ones tip toeing around the topic when compared to any other activities. Leave it to pedos to fail at their own twisted logic.
Have a shitty life being hated by anyone who knows your true selves!
>>746159917
>All of western society is not going to change
Despite having changed drastically and radically countless times before?
>>746165417
All (well, most) of my close friends know I'm a pedophile. They're cool with it. They know I'm not a bad guy. This includes one of the ones who was molested as a 13yo.
>>746161267
This.
>>746164588
Yes, yes, and yes.
At the very least, the age at which the worlds most technologically advanced societies determine adulthood is in general, and for the most part, inaccurate. I would argue that in most cases, a measure of one individuals adulthood varies mainly in their environment/circumstances, based on survival, and their access to amenities.
Children have been sent off to war before in the past, and have volunteered. Look at the Hitler youth for example, or the stories of underage youth lying about their age to join the army in the United States during World Wars 1 and 2.
It wasn't until during/after the Great Depression that child labor laws really started to take into effect here in the United States to assess basic humanitarian issues. Age barely had anything to do with it in my opinion. If I could go back in time and start working sooner, you bet your ass I would. I would have started working at 14, because making it today without a college degree or some sort of trade experience is next to impossible. Because my shitty parents coddled me up until I was like 18, I'm paying for it now at 22, with no future in sight unless I act fast.
My point is going back to what an earlier anon said about informed consent. It all comes down to treating other people like they are capable of understanding something even on a basic level. This whole idea of anyone under the age 16 or 18 not being able to understand the full brevity of their choices is a presumptuous mistake.
I still hold my reservations towards having no age of consent. But it most definitely should be lower, and we need to re evaluate how we treat individuals who stray away from forced sexual norms.
>>746165382
That's a bunch of chaotic data that nobody cares about. Every single person has visited shady websites and posted shocking things on anonymous forums just to fuck with people.
>>746165604
Sure. That's why you have to try and justify yourself to a shithole like /b/. You are pathetic and likely have no real friends, and anyone who truly knows this talks about you behind your back. If you ever have children and these people know it, they will likely call CPS on you weekly.
>>746165687
You tried.
>>746165743
>That's a bunch of chaotic data
That is easily indexed and retrieved should you become a person of interest.
>Every single person has visited shady websites and posted shocking things on anonymous forums
And all of it have been recorded.
>>746164588
>Should we also send children to war?
I don't think we should be sending anyone off to war in "peace" time, and history has shown that the draft age starts dropping as war efforts get desperate.
>Allow children to work? Move out on their own?
Both of these are things that children can ask the government to allow them to do (below the normal age) if they are deemed responsible enough to permit it. I know someone who got a state ID at 13 (and had the ridiculous photo to prove it on his driver's license) in order to get a job.
>>746157412
Thread reported. Fuck off you degenerate retarded pedophile, don't you dare come near any of my children or anyone elses. I hope a nigger rapes you in prison and then you'll just have to accept that you consented to his nigger cock in your ass because you couldn't accept the social attitudes of prison. sage in all fields.
>>746157412
I think it is awesome that someone took the time to make this image
>>746164880
>It seems that you have an unhealthy view of sex.
Well at least he isn't the one trying to get it from children tbh...
>>746159355
Thats why I browse 4chin in incognito mode. No way to track me down.
>>746166110
Oh, look. A Trump supporter.
>>746166224
Are you lost? This thread isn't about politics, its about the mental illness of low intelligent pedophiles. sage
>>746166031
Have you ever actually interacted with another human outside of your family or people on the internet?
>>746166110
The hysterical and irrational attitude that you represent is rapidly becoming less prevalent. You will one day be looked at the way elderly racists are looked at today.
>>746166031
>children ask the government to do
What? You need the government to raise your children now, just so you can twist this "logic" in a way that will allow you to have sex with them? Do you even process what you are typing?
>>746166612
not impossible but we probably won't see that happen in our lifetimes
>>746166671
Complete failure of reading comprehension.
>>746166612
Thinks his mental illness is a social progress debate. No it's more along the lines of something like beastiality or necrophilia, it's a paraphilia fetish and rape which will never be accepted in our society ever.
>>746167023
Great response Mr. "I need legal justification to fuck children"
>>746165828
I mean, I wasn't trying to justify myself, I was pointing out that you were wrong. And I know for a fact that you're wrong on everything you say here, though one friend has stipulated that I should inform any partner I choose to have children with of my attraction, or he will.
I make it a point of showing that I have friends that know what I am and still accept me so that others in my position might have courage to form a similar support group, not because I actually care about what you think.
It clearly makes you uncomfortable to consider that someone like me (whose existence makes you uncomfortable) has friends that like and support me, and consider me a good person, because that would mean you would have to reconsider your worldview on pedophiles automatically being disgusting creatures that no one likes. Fortunately for me though, 4chan isn't your personal safe space on this topic, which is why I get to express my thoughts here anonymously without getting banned.
If you want to circlejerk about how terrible pedophiles are without having your beliefs challenged, might I suggest tumblr? I hear they're fond of providing safe spaces.
>>746166202
i only browse in incognito so I don't have to keep deleting my history/cookies/whatever
my isp knows more disturbing and pitiful things about me than I would even admit to myself
>>746167294
>wants a discussion
>WAAAHH EVERYONE WHO THINKS FUCKING KIDS IS WEIRD IS WRONG
>>746167063
Except it was for 99% of history. There are virtually no historical documents or other evidence hinting that any concept similar to the modern idea of "child sexual abuse" existed anywhere in the world prior to the 20th century. The whole thing is a delusion of modern Western culture, and society is responsible for indoctrinating children with toxic ideas about sex that cause them to feel deeply uncomfortable about normal experiences.
>>746167354
I was responding to the guy who insisted I was lying about having friends. I want have a discussion. He wants to feel good about himself.
>>746167561
Either you are lying about friends or you live in some backwoods cousin fucking part of the country. I have never met anyone from any country who condones pedophilia, besides pedophiles. And I have traveled around the USA and outside to various countries, both first world and developing.
>>746167326
Well since we're anonymous, what kind of things are we talking about? You can't just pique my curiosity and leave me hanging, man.
>>746167354
You can't argue with a pedo because they think "differently". You might as well be arguing with a low functioning autist who keeps repeating the same thing that will never be true but keeps hoping that it will if he keeps repeating it.
>>746167354
Read that and tell me where it says that fucking kids is a good thing.
There's only so many times you can parrot "hurr dur fucking kids" before it becomes clear that you actually do lack reading comprehension.
>>746164525
They make the laws and order their henchmen swine squad to be brutal when the goyim encroach on their fetishes.
>>746167893
What else is there to being a pedo? You think a child can love you? You are a fucking idiot if you think there is anything more to pedophilia than fucking child, who cannot consent no matter how you try to twist the language.
You are a sexual predator and will never be accepted by anyone besides other pedophiles and maybe a few SJW extremists.
>>746167806
Most millennials would not give a single shit if one of their stoner buddies gradually revealed that he was sexually aroused by children. Probably wouldn't even notice or think about it.
>>746167869
>Everyone is mentally ill, we should just nuke them all, except for me of course....
>>746167806
I live in an urban area of California. And no shit, I've never met anyone who's willing to admit that they don't see pedophiles as inhuman to a close-minded bigot either. We're pedophiles, not idiots.
Besides, most people don't even think of pedophiles as people rather than abstract bogeymen until they're forced to realize that someone that they otherwise know as a decent person is one.
>>746165883
Mate, did you even read my post? I'm not saying abuse in any sense of the word is acceptable, especially towards children. I'm saying that we coddle our youth in first world societies to the point that we think they are incapable of making rationale decisions themselves without "adult" supervision and therefore it creates a cycle of fear in them and that we train these people to believe they aren't capable of thinking for themselves without parental or adult oversight. If informed on a level that the individual can handle, we have a different scenario.
The age of consent should be lower; Unfortunately I don't think society could handle something like that unless we saw a cultural shift in attitude regarding sexual orientations, & what we as society determine makes someone capable of making their own decisions.
Tying into what the OP was Saying, I would argue that yes, unless the sexual interaction between the underage persons & the "offender" was violent, it could be that the only reason it has had such a violent impact on their psychological well being has been because it's been fed into them that this is such a horrible thing in our society that they should feel guilty for taking part in it. Therefore, it creates a cycle of self-hatred and loathing, a feeling of guilt if you will, for having consented to doing whatever that weird thing was with that random stranger or relative or whatever.
Unless we have conclusive proof that non-violent sexual interaction between children & other persons causes irreparable harm to their mental well being outside the realm of society putting pressure on said "victims" to feel a certain way, then you can't say it was a bad thing. The shaming culture we have causes more harm than it does good & suppresses logical debate, I'm not pro pedo. But I'm trying to make the case that they may have a point when arguing that not all sexual interactions involving underage persons is inherently psychologically damaging.
>>746168141
>[citation needed]
You truly do just hang out with filth and your narrow point of view has warped your reality into thinking that is normal behavior. If any of my friends said they were a pedophile, I would report them to the police, their friends/family, and their employer. Just so it is known. As well as cut off all ties.
>>746168126
Oh look, an unempathetic person with nothing meaningful to say.
Now I'm inclined to believe you mainly because of my anecdotal experience. I didn't think about boys like that untill after I admited I was molested. However I can also attest to the psychological damage i have endured. I often feel regret and shame and guilt and a yearning to return to innocence. I don't think we will ever see an acceptance of it untill the fall of modern civilazation and even then years after those "values"are lost. I dont know if I even want such a thing
>>746168360
tl&dr I'm retarded, The Post.
>>746167866
mostly just... completely different sides of me that I've expressed on the internet over the years taking on lives of their own and pulling me in all different directions
morbid curiosities, emotional baggage, paraphillias, shit like that
>>746157412
Preach it brother. It's the truth.
>>746164941
Violent anal sex at gunpoint
>>746168435
How would you like it if someone reported you to the police for something that is not your fault or within your control?
>>746168360
I dont have to. If someone thinks that anyone under 16 can make unsupervised adult decisions is an idiot. I don't even have to discuss or argue that, because you are objectively wrong.
I think most pedophiles are either former victims themselves, or they are mad because they missed out on sexual encounters in their teens and year twenties. So you try to twist your reality in any way you can to make it seem normal for a grown man to stick his penis into a child.
But if you think that is "coddling" children, protecting them from disgusting fucks like you, then they should all be coddled.
>>746157412
Pedophiles are really delusional. No sane parents will let their daughters/sons get fucked by old pedos like you. Get a cure or kill yourselves.
>>746168718
I see. My condolences. That has nothing to do with ordinary cases of child sex abuse though. Comparing your experience to the typical case, is like comparing violent rape to wakeup fucking your girlfriend. The typical pedophile would probably rather die than rape someone at gunpoint.
>>746168750
Sucks to be a pedophile! Either get help to FIX YOUR PROBLEM, because it is a problem (mental illness.) Or prepare to be disowned, have all ties cut, and exiled from most people within your life. Unless you are that other guy in the thread who has pedophile friends, then your friends won't care that you are a mentally ill sexual degenerate because they are too.
>>746168806
Maybe the parents are delusional. Maybe their instinct to protect their kids makes them incapable of rational thinking.
>>746168126
Allow me to be clear on something since you are clearly too much of a "dunce" to read between the lines here.
I don't fuck kids.
I have never had sexual contact with a child.
I am not going to sexually abuse a child, because I think that's a fucked up thing to do.
I happen to like and be attracted to children, and I don't think that I should be demonized for that. In fact, I think the demonization and othering of pedophiles leads to more child abuse, because if society already sees them as monsters, "they have nothing left to lose" and "may as well play the part"
Which is something I care about because I, once again, like kids, and care about their wellbeing.
But you seem more focussed on hating pedophiles than actually caring about kids, obviously.
>>746164880
why not just stop comparing sex to anything and address it
for what it actually is and has represented in current society?
I'll stick shota thank you
>>746168994
Oh god, you pedos are so fucking stupid, there's no point in trying to make you understand anything.
>>746169069
>I happen to like and be attracted to children
That is enough reason for me to hate every part of your existence. You are wrong in all of your beliefs and no one besides a pedophile will agree with you.
>>746168940
There is no cure, and there doesn't need to be. It is only called a mental illness because acting on it is criminal and socially unacceptable. If this were not the case, there would be no problem. Yelling at someone to "fix" their "problem" solves nothing. I wish I could curse you with pedophilia in order to educate you about empathy.
>>746169069
>I happen to like and be attracted to children, and I don't think that I should be demonized for that. In fact, I think the demonization and othering of pedophiles leads to more child abuse, because if society already sees them as monsters, "they have nothing left to lose" and "may as well play the part"
you can't be a wolf and expect sheppards to not fear you will come after their sheep
>>746169069
>I don't fuck kids.
>I have never had sexual contact with a child
Yet. Give the predator time to think of a way and the moment to coerce a child to do sexual things with.
>>746169091
Because a child cannot consent to anything. Even for a chocolate bar, it is up to the parents if their child eats that candy.
Sex is treated differently because the results of a child ending up in a situation where someone abuses them are severe. It can damage not only their bodies, but also scar their minds for life. No one besides a pedo thinks pedophilia is normal. Either get help, don't participate in society, or die.
>>746168759
Wow, it's almost as if though that persons under the age of consent you provided have almost historically made decisions upon their own volition throughout human existence, like deciding upon whether or not they wanted to live on their own, whether or not they needed or wanted to get a job, or buy or eat certain things. I tried mate.
>>746169301
The only solution for you at this point. You speak nonsense and illogical untruths.
Society
>>746168354
>until they're forced to realize that someone that they otherwise know as a decent person is one.
Protip: they don't consider them decent people anymore after that
>>746169630
>HISTORICALLY
That's the key point. Many people used to practice cannibalism. Should I legally be allowed to eat humans now because someone at some point in time considered that "normal?" We know the ill effects of cannibalism and we know the ill effects of underage sex, especially in regards to pedophilia. You are trying to justify your sickness by using historical contexts, which have no place in a modern discussion.
>>746168940
Ah, and here we get to the point. How exactly do you propose we "get help"? Mental health care is an extremely large issue among pedophiles, because the majority of people are like the hysterical retards joining this thread that view us as automatically being inhuman filth.
Anyone who attempts to "get help" for their urges, or even for the high rate of depression that comes from being an "urge-suppressing" pedophile (while still being considered as disgusting by general society) runs a high risk of being reported to the police for their troubles due to mandatory reporting laws. That's certainly not going to make things any better.
Adults shouldn't fuck kids.
Kids are idiots with shit judgement and a slightly above autistic adult can easily coerce them into doing just about anything. Kids are supposed to trust adults. If you are atttacted to kids get help. Wont judge you for being mentally defective but I'll recommend castration when you go creating victims.
>>746169542
The vast majority of child molestation victims report feeling only mild confusion during the incidents of sex. They learn to feel fucked up about it over time by listening to people like you for years. You are the one doing the harm, not the pedophile. Pedophiles have been fucking kids since before recorded history and nobody gave a single shit until talkshows in the 1980's popularized the idea that there was something uniquely evil about this sort of thing, and that it had something to do with Satanism. All sexual repression is pure ignorance and psychological insecurity.
>>746169882
Adults shouldn't fuck humans.
Humans are idiots with shit judgement.
>>746169882
Imagine if sex was not a bad thing. That would make your whole comment sound ridiculous.
>>746169890
>he vast majority of child molestation victims report feeling only mild confusion during the incidents of sex.
your just making things up now to justify becoming an active threat
>>746169825
I'm not a pedophile, so I cannot help you with a cure. That is YOUR shit to deal with, not mine or anyone else. I honestly couldn't care less how you feel or what happens to you or any other pedophile. That simple fact that you are allowed to live shows the mercy that modern society offers you. Now use your given life to find help for yourself, there are resources out there. Otherwise, you have NO pity, not from me nor any other rational non-pedophile. This is your shitty hand you were dealt, you figure it out.
>>746169890
Kill yourself.
>>746169818
No, cannibalism was rare, usually involved murder, and has been a social taboo in most of the for millenniums. Terrible analogy.
>>746157412
I'd agree. Aisha was 6 when she first jerked Muhammad's dick with her thighs and 9 when she fucked him proper. She had no notable psychological problems, and was an important member of the early Muslim community. I'd say it helped that she was treated like any other adult wife would be treated.
>>746157498
fuck you fuck you faggot stop oppressing me
>>746169542
>Because a child cannot consent to anything. Even for a chocolate bar, it is up to the parents if their child eats that candy.
only in a legal context
>Sex is treated differently because the results of a child ending up in a situation where someone abuses them are severe.
that actually makes sense
>It can damage not only their bodies, but also scar their minds for life.
maybe if it's like >>746168718, but if it's not coerced, how?
>No one besides a pedo thinks pedophilia is normal.
irrelevant
>>746170137
I like how you attack the bad analogy instead of the message that came with it. Only further proving I am correct in this case, and you are in the wrong.
it really doesnt matter ... The ruling majority say its wrong and have the authority to punish it. That is the thing that would have to change for it to be legal... And if that happened then your hypothesis would be tested against time because if it was harmful and a group did adopt the practice then they would be harming themselves and would lose to stronger groups
not everything is about "right and wrong" , or "harm" (you seem to have a very unique definition of harm, one that doesnt include sicking a dick in a 3 yr old you loser) , enforcement and social norms are a big part of law. Why do you think the marriage system is so f'd up. Its becuase social norms can out weigh any logic.
But I think your logic is a little too loos. You have not proven your first statement "The psychological harm from child sexual abuse is generally a product of culturally indoctrinated attitudes about sex that the victim internalizes and uses to gradually reinterpret their experiences with their abusers" ... any data?
>>746170078
Would it destroy your little world if what I said was true?
>>746170115
That's an interesting gif choice for someone who claims to hate pedophiles so much.
>>746170228
So you think laws are there to suppress you? They are in place because the majority believes they are needed for protection. You are just paranoid and delusional, to the point you think everyone is just OUT TO GET YOU. When the reality is that children are in need of protection.
>>746170038
who said sex is a bad thing? leave it to pedos to twist and warp nature to fit their mental disease, truly pitiful.
>>746170301
its not you are just making things up
there are stages to pedos before they become active
finding a way to normalize it is probably the first
>>746169818
>Many people used to practice cannibalism
where do you live nigger, africa? there were no cannibals in my country
Ah, I see we have a kiddy diddler OP here, trying to make his sexual fantasy about fucking small humans who dont have the mental capacity to understand or consent to sex seem all ok. "Its not that Im sick and like fucking children, its society thats sick for not letting me! Oh boo hoo hoo hoo!" goes OP, as he inevitably looks up child porn, his heart full of pain and regret.
For you see fellow Anon's, OP knows he is a degenerate beta male, and this is why he must make this thread. By doing so, he hopes to find out that he is not alone in the world, but this is not true. For he is a disgusting degenerate, and he is alone, without a friend in the world, sadly wanking his micro penis, desperately searching for validity to his false claims.
Do not hate him fellow Anon's, instead pity him, for he is sad and without a friend in the world.
>>746170368
If it's not a bad thing then why can't people do it with children?
>>746170228
This guy gets it. Appreciate the relatively objective point of view that you're taking to the discussion. I have no qualms with opposition to the acceptance of pedophiles, seeing as it does not affect me. However, I have debated this before with people, and I do think that something needs to be done about how we treat pedophiles and pedophilia within our society.
The hurrrdurr just kill em all response doesn't get us anywhere. There's a way to fix or aid in correcting this issue society has without shitting on people who had no say in their sexual preference.
>>746169542
yet pedos seem to ignore this, in addition that the frontal lobe of most anyone under the age of 20 is more than likely severely under developed, implying that somehow an offer sexual interaction is on par with receiving a candy bar.
is this entire thread actually bait?
>ITT: butthurt kids
>>746169810
>I'm going to continue to refute whatever you say on the grounds that it challenges my worldview
>>746169405
>>746169340
I'm no more a threat to children than the man is to the average woman walking down the street in say, provocative clothing. I'm capable of not raping girls that don't consent.
Unless you're one of those sjws that claims that all men are rapists, in which case you're clearly not welcome on /b/
And I wouldn't expect a parent who knows what I am to trust me with their kids any more than a father trusts a horny teenage boy to be alone with his daughter.
ew lol
>>746170344
So you think laws are there to suppress you? Blacks should be enslaved and women should be denied the vote because the majority believes that's the way it should be.
Current laws are irrelevant in a discussion of underlying morality.
>>746170535
Sex involves an intimate mutual trust which -- oh fuck it, I don't know what it involves, I've never had any, I don't know what I'm talking about
>>746170228
>>It can damage not only their bodies, but also scar their minds for life.
>maybe if it's like >>746168718, but if it's not coerced, how?
its called grooming the trust is earned but its a predator targeting a child over the time it took to earn their trust
obviously the first thing this child will learn is not to trust anyone at that point. Depending on the situation they may even blame themselves
>>746170765
The majority doesn't believe it should be that way, or it would be that way.
>>746170670
>I'm no more a threat to children than the man is to the average woman walking down the street in say, provocative clothing. I'm capable of not raping girls that don't consent.
a wolf is a wolf no use in trying to hide in sheep's clothing
>>746170559
see
>>746160011
>>746160827
>>746161763
(Or, y'know, read the thread you're replying to)
>>746170765
>morality
>4chan
Choose one.
>>746170656
>inauduble screeching
so what, like ultrasonic?
>>746170859
Way to completely miss the point. If we were having this discussion only a short time ago in history, the majority did believe that. That doesn't mean they were right.
>>746168924
It's okay, happened when I was 9, i'm 33 now.
He was going to kill me.
why are you faggy kids so obsessed with pedos? /b/ is now a 24/7 chat about pedos, it isnt even fun anymore
>>746170935
Got it, going with the "all men are rapists" fallacy, then.
>>746159383
you make a really good point and yet, the fucking liberals and SJW encourage children to become transgender because one morning they feel like a different gender.
>>746171105
w/e pedo just don't fuck any little kids
>>746171091
/b/ is a 24/7 chat about all manner of weird shit
if you don't like it, pick a different thread
perhaps you'd prefer to suck a lot of shit from andy sixx's asshole?
OP here
>>746171163
w/e man just don't rape any women
>>746171091
Nigga, you think this is bad? Should have been here back in 2008, when cp was still dropped on the boards on the reg. It was at it's tipping point then, FBI and mods cracked down. The websites gone downhill ever since. Not because of the lack of ceepee, but because ever since around then the classic /b/ raids and general chaos dissipated. Now there's just tranny cancer everywhere. A lot of porn that's regugitated from day to day. OC is pretty much gone underground. This place used to be great.
>>746171190
dude ... look at the other threads ... at least this one has discussion ... make a thread with a good debate ill be there ... or a ylyl thread ... but ill just lurk that one
>>746171391
here's some shitty OC, just for you
>>746171190
no,is mostly stupid kids like yourself talking about pedos all the time
wtf is andy sixx?
>>746171091
It's because there's a lot of us pedophiles on here because it's one of the few places we can actually discuss things without being banned, and "antis" turn into screeching autists whenever they're forced to come to terms with pedophiles wanting to be treated as actual human beings, so we get threads like this.
Ask any oldfag, there used to be plenty of pedos here that would mostly mind our own business, it's just when the white knights and moralfags moved in that there started being shitshows.
Pic related
>>746171545
you must have just found this place yesterday if you haven't seen those threads
hope you enjoy your stay
>>746171610
>us
Trying to falsify numbers to feel better about your illness I see
>>746171545
Well?
>>746169542
when I think of a world where its accepted, I immediately think of the middle east, where raping young boys and young boys being raped is a norm. and its a part of some of the culture that exists within the middle east today.
the main notable things to me about that are these.
1. A culture where children are raped by men likely leads to the boys who continue living there through adulthood to do the same
2. The people who grew up with that culture see it as a norm, and often when leaving said culture and moving to the west some will act in ways we find barbaric. (for example migrant men raping women and their excuse would sometimes be it was a "sexual emergency")
3. Over a long period of time if left unchecked any culture could potentially end up having people who think the same
also one more side note, I recognise their are a large number of paedophiles that exit in large numbers who have no intention to ever touch a kid or do any harm. however, the few who do are a problem, and sadly for any "good" paedophiles that exist, you cant really get professional help in managing it, because even if you could, just by even trying to get help dealing with paedophilia, and managing it you would ultimately be seen as a criminal even if you had done no wrong. Being a paedophile today is much like being bi/gay at the height of religion. admittedly they are two different things, one is a sexuality and the other is paedophilia
>>746171391
i was here in 2008, there were some faggots posting cp sometimes, but people were not so fucking obsessed with pedos like they are now
>>746171725
ohh.. i see, this shit
>>746159383
>The fact that some children are not damaged by sexual contact is besides the point.
That's the entire point you monkey.
First off, there's a difference between the general term of consent which is synonymous with willingness, and the legal term of informed consent. The former is a matter of fact, and the latter is a social construct.
Secondly, the lack of informed consent does not make something inherently bad. For example, children cannot give informed consent to go on a school field trip. That's why permission slips exist for parents to consent on their child's behalf. Everyone agrees school field trips are not harmful to children. THEREFORE the lack of the child's consent cannot be the sole indicator of whether an occurrence is good or bad.
>>746169405
Ever seen that cartoon with the singing frog? You're like that, except the frog really is just a normal frog
AOC used to be 14 here. Shit was so cash.
>>746166110
Mods, you just broke a ton of rules loser
>>746166110
>any of my children
calm down kid, you are clearly 13
>>746171803
Seconded.
Every day, multiple times a day, I see the same threads.
>First time experiences
>Were you raped as a kid? Tell me all about it while I fap
As someone who was violently raped as a child, my life has become hell. That's what they don't think about. What this shit actually does to people.
https://twitter.com/twitter/statuses/911523355618152449
>>746172135
You say because of the rape your life is hell. Why do you think this? Because you cannot make good life choices now? You have insatiable sexual urges?
What about it makes your life hell?
>>746172135
They don't think about violently raping children either, so why should they?
>>746172211
>Jews
OP, pic related
>>746163979
I dont think "cuddle" is an illegal act ... I cant go to the police and say hear is a picture of him cuddling with a little girl arrest the man can I?
>>746172211
>>746172285
>>746172537
>hollywood paedojew ring
