AUSFAG here (straightfag, for that matter)
Need to cast a vote this week. YES or NO for the right for Gay People to get MARRIED.
Take religion out of the equation and it seems like the decent thing to do. But already my straight but cucked friends are threatening to turn their backs on anyone who doesn't vote YES. And the people from the NO camp are claiming that voting YES simply opens the door to a restriction on the right to Free Speech. Most of the Gay people I know aren't even getting involved.
Anyone else have an opinion? I don't want to waste my vote but I also don't know what to do. Should I risk a reduction of my rights by voting them away to a minority group that aren't even being persecuted any more?
It's not really a reduction in rights tbh. The wankers saying that are just trying to defend their freedom of religion, which they still have.
>>745709122
USA checking in.
Not sure how the laws in Aus work but it sounds like it's even more restrictive than the US usually.
Legalizing gay marriage here opened the door to a bunch of lawsuits against businesses that didn't want to participate in gay weddings. So florists and cake bakers were getting sued for millions because they refused service and it made the gays upset.
Legalizing gay marriage also brought that lifestyle out into the light of day and legitimized it. It's just gotten worse in America ever since. Slippery slope is real, etc, etc.
Vote NO, if friends ask tell them you voted YES
Also consider changing friends because if they would dump you for a single vote they're not real friends.
I'm pro rights, which ever they might be. Pro guns, pro abortion, pro gay marriage, pro weed. This life is too short, just let them do their thing.
Also, what would be the restriction on free speech?
>>745709122
Gay ausfag here.
Vote how you want man. I don't care.
Personally, i'm just sick of being used as a pawn in political tactics.
>>745709346
Ausfag business guy here.
At least for Brisbane every wedding orientated business (and yes, every one) is not only rooting for a YES, but is actively planning for it.
We ourselves have all our advertisements ready to go.
Same sex marriage is going to bring a huge economic boon for the first 12 months as couples go and get theirs done.
>>745709122
what would you rather do.
vote yes, because you wanted to vote yes anyways, and feel miffed that your cuck friends would have judged you otherwise.
or vote no just to spite cuck friends and then screw over all the gays cuz your as petty as your cuck friends?
>>745709405
You have the right idea dude, its like who really gives a shit at the end of the day if it makes people happy then why tf not
It's only a survey. Even if the Yes group takes the majority, there still won't be any gay marriage.
>>745709122
What many people don't seem to understand is that free speech, tolerating different opinions, doesn't mean you have to tolerate intolerance.
>that guy wants to have slaves? Who am i to stop him, he has the freedom to do so
>this company doesn't want to serve blacks? Man, i don't want to be intolerant and stop them.
It's comical if you think about it. "Meeeh, that guy doesn't tolerate my intolerance. What an intolerant asshole"
Regarding your vote, there is not only no reason to say no, i think you don't even have the right to vote to deny marriage to homosexual couples. It doesn't concern you, it doesn't affect your life in any way.
>>745709562
That's a fair point I hadn't thought of. Good on you man.
>>745709405
Once they redefine marriage, they'll be pushing to redefine words like 'gender' and demand all 200+ genders be recognised. Bet you a million bucks on it. Give them an inch, they'll take a mile.
>>745709346
>no it didnt, there was one church that got bullied into doing a wedding it didnt want to here in the u.s, and the cake company in the u.k that got taken to court for not agreeing to make a pornographic cake for a gay couple. both cases, even the gay community at large said were fucked up and favored the defense over the prosecution.
>you mean you might now have to hear a male celebrity mention his husband? or the pride festival has a 20% increase of rainbows?
you are a juvenile, gutless group of nasty little shits that dig your heels in on everything you possibly can. you'd piss your own bed if you could find a way to make it unpleasant for somebody else.
An observation though.
If you vote NO you are immediately scum of the earth, uneducated shitcunts who are prejudiced and probably racist as well.
If you vote YES you are a pretentious snowflake gay loving cunt and are ruining Australia with PC culture and are everything toxic with the current generation.
I've heard both. Both sides are really annoying me actually.... But while the YES guys tend to throw insults, the NO guys tend to send death threats and threats of person harm (that will obviously never be acted upon anyway).
I'm still voting yes but I'd really wish we'd be done with it already and everyone (both the YES and the NO) would shut the fuck up and just let everyone vote how they feel about the issue.
i'd be down if they wanted to change the word marriage to union in our law, but they don't, they want to attack Christianity
>>745709346
take your comment, and swap "gays" with "blacks" or "jews" and read it again.
>>745709405
Agreed except on the Pro guns part, but that is a different topic
>>745709562
Didn't think about that, but yeah, there are even economic upsides to it
>>745709776
You know marriage isn't purely a Christian thing, right? You think Buddhists / Jews / Hindus etc don't get married?
>>745709680
>See him cry out as he strikes you.
Seriously though, free speech actually does allow for intolerance. I don't have to like you or your lifestyle. I don't have to participate in said lifestyle. I should have the right to refuse service on any grounds I want and you should have to walk on down the road.
You are not entitled to anyone else's labor or validation. You can't legally force people to like you. Tolerate, yes. Like you, no.
>>745709776
>marriage
words evolve and take on different meanings over time. in any case, it seems your concern is purely semantics, which somehow manifests into a personal attack on religion. and even if it were so, it would be quite due retribution considering how assbackward the church has been for several millennia.
marriage is by definition christian, no other religion uses that term, if individual people do then they can be as stupid as they like but it doesn't change the etemology
>>745709755
There is a case of a baker who refused to cater a lesbian wedding going before the US Supreme Court as we speak.
By slippery slope I was referring to things like the legalization of non penetrative beastiality in Canada and the slew of articles lately demanding equal rights for pedophiles.
I'm neither nasty nor juvenile, just better informed and more concerned.
>>745709562
Gays are less than 2% of the Australian populatio - and even then, most have no intentions of getting married. What is this "boom" you talk about lmao.
point of fact, words do not change definition. people with twisted views change them to suit there opinions.
>>745709867
>I don't have to like you or your lifestyle. I don't have to participate in said lifestyle.
Yeah, because they will force you to marry John from down the road.
And no, you don't have the right to put up signs like "no service for jews", "no blacks allowed", etc.
>>745709805
Would you force a Muslim baker to cater a Jewish wedding?
Would you force a Jewish baker to bake a swastika cake?
This is why the right to refuse service is important. You are not entitled to another person's labor.
>>745709122
if you don't care about the vote then vote for whatever will keep your country however it is best kept. if you think a more liberal/leftist route is the one to take, take it. personally i would advise against it - as a fellow anglo nation (UK) i have watched my country fall victim to political correctness and mate i have to say, despite the general attitude among leftists than they are morally superior and are charitable and giving, there is no bigger threat in the west right now, simply because they are the only group who can condemn free speech and bully others unpunished.
of course this vote is good for gays whom there is nothing wrong with, but it may lead you down a pathway of misery in the future.
>>745709776
to be fair Christianity is pretty retarded though
OP here:
Thinking of destroying my ballot paper. There's no criminal offense or fine if you fail to vote on this manner.
Would abstaining from a vote benefit either side?
I'm personally sick of having gay rights shoved down my throat for a decade, only to discover that they've had all the rights they need since 2016 EXCEPT for the right to Marry.
>>745709122
I wrote 'bunnings sausage' on mine and drew a picture of a guys dick in a bun
not sure which side it'll count for
>>745710013
I think you'd be surprised how many same sex couples we get having ceremonies even without a legal right to be married.
Maybe every 20 weddings we have 1 will be a same sex couple.
Yeah, that doesn't sound like much. It really doesn't.....
But straight people have been getting married for a long time and meanwhile same sex couples have been building up.... Just waiting to break the banks holding them back from spending all that cash.
Long term, you're right it won't make a huge difference. We're not planning long term, we're planning first 12 months.
But what do I know? I'm just some faggot on the internet.
>>745709122
Vote for whichever makes you feel better about yourself.
I don't really care if fags fuck each other so long as I'm not subjected to hearing about it all the time, so I'd vote no.
>>745709754
Like how if we legalize guns people will demand bombs? Or if you legalize alcohol it leads to crack?
Evil is evil. Lesser, greater, middling… makes no difference. The degree is arbitrary. The definition’s blurred. If I’m to choose between one evil and another, I’d rather not choose at all.
>>745710223
Wasn't that one of the arguments against legalizing weed? Or am I mistaken?
>>745710223
Nice strawman faggot
>>745710128
Christianity is allowed to abuse the LGBT with a lack of rights but as soon as they try and have some basic human rights (is marriage really too much to ask for? Its not people are taking rights away from you if you dont like it dont pay attention to it) then the LGBT community are 'attacking Christianity'.
>>745710223
Have you uh... not been watching the news the last ten years?
At least in the US there has absolutely been a huge campaign to redefine gender and attack masculinity.
>>745709966
So when 2 jews join together to form a union, what does the law call it?
>>745710055
this right here.
i love when these bible thumping skeeters try explaining why they can't stand not having absolute control over how other people live because its offensive. they always take the route that there's a big conspiracy that's going to peel the bible from their hands and shit on it in front of their children, which will in turn make their kids gay.
how consenting adults fuck in private and cohabitate shouldnt even need to be legislated i dont think. if theyre both over 18, and they both want to marry, then fine. fuckit. if a dude wants to say hes not a dude anymore, even if its some made up gender without any scientific backing, whatever. Just come to work on time, do your job, and don't be a little shit.
>>745710284
nice irony, faggot
>>745710295
As long as you don't want to force a church to marry you, then go for it.
You should not be able to force, say, a Catholic priest to marry you in a Catholic church because that does infringe on the priest's rights.
>>745709969
>bestiality
>pedophilia
What is the idea of consent?
>>745710106
yes, and probably yes (Swastikas are forbidden here in germany).
You can believe all the crap you want in your private home, when you go out in the open and do buisness you have to be neutral. Iam "entitled" to be treated fair and equal to everyone else. You can't deny service to someone just because you don't like his faith, his gender, his sexualiy or his haircolor.
>>745710337
A bank.
>>745709776
who gives a shit? christianity is degenerate. why is it a 'good' thing to worship some eastern jew who lived 2000 years ago? its just such obvious bullshit.
>>745710295
If you don't like paedophilia, don't pay attention to it. That's your logic
>>745710337
Jewnion
>>745709122
No of course. Anything else is inane. Homosexuality was never "confirmed a natural phenomenon" as many claim, the study was never finalized but that didn't stop people from claiming it proved homosexuality was natural.
Also, homosexuality decays the moral fiber of society. Take a look at the pedophile movement. It's gaining media traction, because the same excuse, "They can't help who they are attracted to" is being used.
Normalizing homosexuality is a slippery slope. Next up is pedophilia, then bestiality, polymarriage, you name it.
Stop the decay now, vote NO.
>>745710337
kosher meats?
>>745710337
Law firm.
>>745710106
Right to refuse service is a libertarian idea.
You donot live in a libertarian society.
>>745709122
vote YES
honestly who cares if gays want to get married? The only people who get ruffled are religious conservatard types and anything that pisses them off is good in my book.
>>745710361
Alcohol is legal and hasn't led to people wanting crack.
Legalising guns has not led to any campaigns to legalise bombs
Your argument was moronic.
>>745710410
C O N S E N T
two consenting adults can do what tf they like as long as they arent hurting anyone
kids cant consent sunshine
I'm Muslim but I'm voting yes because I don't feel offended, everyone in my family is the same. It doesn't affect my day to day life at all. My high school mate came out after highschool and he's the nicest guy who also just became a doctor. I just want him to be happy and not feel ostracised. If I'm free to practice my faith he should be free to marry someone he loves.
Also if someone believes in voting no they shouldn't be scolded or belittled by the yes voters. Everyone should be entitled to their fucking opinion and shouldn't lose their job or friends because of it.
What pisses me off is that it's a waste of 122 million putting it to a vote. It's the politicians fucking job to decide on this shit. This is what our taxes pay for, for them to discuss decisions like this but they don't do shit until they retire on their 200k yearly parliament pension.
>>745709680
See, this is the fucked up way of thinking your brainwashed generation has drilled into your skulls. Sure, slavery is bad, because it makes innocent people suffer. But if I don't want to be around some people, why are you forcing them onto me? Why do I have to put up with bullshit from some people just because you think it should be ok for everyone to be subjected to what they don't like? Put it this way: If you were in a room full of let's say, REAL Nazis, not just people who don't agree with you, how would you feel? Like uncomfortable, like get me out of here, like I don't want to be here with these people. But with your way of thinking, you would have to put up with it, because someone else who has no problem with Nazis said you must be ok with it, or you are an asshole for thinking the way you do. the point is, what you see as intolerance may not actually be intolerance. Maybe you are wrong. But you have been brainwashed to think that, as long as you think or speak along the lines of a certain agenda, you are unquestionably right, infallible, beyond reproach. but NO way of thinking is this concrete, this omnipotent. NONE.
>>745710318
You know whats really masculine? Not worrying about it.
>>745710118
no
>>745710144
"This minoriy wants the same right everyone else has? OUTRAGEOUS."
>>745710295
>they are taking away my right to take away rights from others. Iam oppressed!
>>745710545
Thankyou!
>>745709562
And hey, the business for divorce lawyers just doubled also. Kaching!!!!!!!
>>745710416
The moral fiber argument.
They used that shit to push prohibition on us.
How is this a Free Speech issue?
Besides, I don't see why a vote matters. It should just be taken to the higher courts to be ruled on Federally. I imagine the same reasons that it passed in the U.S. (people's right to vote also allows for people to get legally married).
>>745710589
>Just don't worry about it. No big deal. Just fundamental changes to the nature of your society. Man up and move on.
Shut the fuck up.
>>745709754
Just like gays started to rape children, blood rained from heaven and the anti-christ appeared?
As a Gay: Fuck you. No for real, the minority of gay people support this SJW Shit, because this has nothing to do with LGBT. Those are people destroying the image of normal, hard-working people because they think they deserve any advantage, because they are special.
You know what the LBGT Community wants? Equality, there is no advantage in being allowed to marry another man, it would be an advantage if it would be tax free - like scientology is.
>>745710526
But the moral crusaders of the early 1900s assured me that alcohol was a slippery slope
>>745710706
I would of the impression the advantage in marriage is legal rights. Right to medical decisions, right to property upon death etc?
>>745710616
>"This minoriy wants the same right everyone else has? OUTRAGEOUS."
That's not what he's saying dickhead, he's saying to stop bitching, you have what you want except for marriage. Once you have that, shut the fuck up, you're just like everyone else.
you goddamn homos. just go buttfuckoff and die
>>745710538
Consent doesn't stop pedophiles from existing and carrying out their sexual preferences, sunshine.
>>745709969
no, you're pissing the bed while wearing glasses to make it look smart.
having a relationship with a consenting adult that can say yes or no and make their own informed decisions isn't the same as using an animal as a living, breathing, masturbatory aid.
you have this idea that homosexual couples are just sex-tourists looking for tantalizing, forbidden ways to get their cum out. youre so fixated on the sexual component of a relationship that the notion of a pair of people just being in love and dedicated to one another for the sake of love seems like a crock of shit to you.
if anything, this speaks damming volumes about the nature of your own relationships, even if its Jesus-approved.
>>745710685
because if gays have the same rights and protections as straights they cannot be legally discriminated against, so the backwardass dropbear fuckers equate legal discrimination to free speech, correct or not.
>>745710357
marriage is a legal thing, owned by the state. behind closed doors i don't care if you're into fucking trannies in the ass while having your face fucked by a nutless gimp. that's a human choice. feeling entitled to legal rights, however, is fucking retarded. the right to water, food, air, or even life, is non existent. why the fuck should anyone be entitled to anything?
marriage is just an extension of this.
>>745710706
>You know what the LBGT Community wants? Equality
You already have it, sunshine.
>Just like gays started to rape children, blood rained from heaven and the anti-christ appeared?
kys
>>745710412
Too funny
>>745709122
Vote no.
>>745710692
Fundamental changes? That is the biggest exaggeration of the thread.
>>745710401
>>745710412
>>745710444
kek
>>745710873
because a nation is made for more than seeing who can get biggest money collection.
>>745710815
Yeah but it makes it illegal you fucking moron, two gay people shouldnt be illegal because consent.
sunshine
>>745710337
trouble
>>745710862
Huh, that's pretty bizarre. But I guess I shouldn't be surprised. Free Speech rights is pretty easy to understand and yet a lot of people just don't get it, or worse, twist it up with unrelated shit like LGBT marriage rights.
>>745710388
>>745710573
>brainwashed generation
Doesn't know my age. My points are 'less vaild' because iam somehow 'brainwashed' by 'someone' (probably the jews/leftist media). Dude pls stop.
I wouldn't like it if i had to do buisness with nazis, but i would do it. After all, i do the things i do because i need money or like the process. Iam not doing it because i want to fuck my customer. If the nazis behave, pay on time and are decent customers, why should i deny service? Iam not a little bitch that runs away crying from every person they dislike.
Also, your last part makes me think you are having a mental breakdown. Are you ok? Iam sending lots of prayers.
>>745710815
What? Like the catholic priests christianity covers up for?
>>745709966
>arguing over etymology
marriage existed before christianity in all corners of the world. you can nit pick over definitions all you like but its a non argument
>>745710745
lol no they didn't
>>745710836
You seem butthurt.
Ask your boyfriend to go a little easier next time.
>>745710815
A kid isn't a consenting adult you fucking moron
Gay marriage doesn't affect anyone other than the people involved
>>745711034
Tu quoque
>>745710971
Two gay people aren't illegal, sunshine. Nice strawman.
>>745711009
Not surprised. Most repub frat boys have no idea what consent is.
Vote no because the no voters are being slammed by yes supporters. Equal opportunity? Discrimination? It goes both ways.
>>745711110
No shit faggot.
>>745711059
You sure?
ITT: very shrill, upset gays demanding everyone agree with their point of view.
This is why people want to vote no.
>>745709122
Amerifat here, go with what you truly believe you should vote. I don't know how the stigma is there for voting no, but in like 2012 we had the same election and similar issues with people heavily projecting their choice on you. Democracy has its flaws, and this is one of the greatest: peer pressure. There will always be self-righteous fucks kicking and screaming because you don't agree that the vote is as easy as yelling YES to everyone who steps into the polls, but you have a right to be skeptical and indecisive, so go with the option you feel is best, not what others choose.
If you vote no, just don't tell anyone who would care and you're set.
The way I see it is as such: just like here it will get a majority yes vote and people will persecute each other for their own reasons for like 2-6 months, then everyone will forget because their favorite punching-bag-politician just breathed a hair of controversy on TV and now they're all focused on that shit.
>>745709122
It’s only a survey. Write whatever you want on the form. Vote will probably happen later.
>>745711211
ITT: retards whine about morality and depravity to the most corrupt message board of all time.
>>745709754
Its less about the word and more about the rights that come with it...
>>745711062
fuck right im mad. you walk around acting like all this is your domain to say what goes and doesn't. beaking like youve got a leg to stand on till you're you're going to have to deal with plans being changed up for the benefit of anyone other than yourself. then you immediately correlate your perceived slight as a full scale blitzkrieg on your entire being.
youre being snowflake for jesus.
Posted by a straight person
>>745711211
if i was gay i would resent the outspoken faggots. most gays i know are normal dudes who just so happen to like cock instead of pussy. its the leather wearing, sassy, entitled brats who would be just as shitty people if they were straight who give the entire thing a bad name. unfortunately they scream loud enough so that people associate homosexuality with a bunch of negative character traits, exactly the way vegans get a bad name.
>>745709122
i dont care if gay people can get married
but i think 2 straight men or 2 straight women should be able to get married for legal benifits
i also think 3 or 4 or 5 people should be able to get married also, regardless of gender or sexual orientation
>>745711301
Youre like 4% of the population, calm down.
Stop being such a whiny bitch. Youre accusing everyone of all kinds of shit and making all kinds of assumptions. Nobody has to agree with you.
>>745711315
You know most gay people get thrown out of their families? Must be hard getting thrown off a friends list.
>>745711315
Also posted by a straight person >>745710787
>>745709122
I used to basically not have a problem with it because fundamentally I don't care that much. Then they legalized it (Amerifat), and instead of making gay people less pissed off and vocal like you'd expect, it basically made everything worse. Now just about everyone virtue signals about gay rights, businesses put all this virtue signaling gay crap in their ads, I get barraged with rainbows and shit every time I step outside the door, and STILL the gays seem like they're pissed off all the time. All they do is blather about their rights. Like what rights do they think they deserve at this point that they don't have? They can marry each other, have their dumb parades, the whole country has to kiss their faggot asses, like what the hell else do they want?
I'm so fucking sick of all of it; I was willing to grudgingly tolerate these people and this is what I get for it. I literally don't even care if someone's gay, it doesn't bother me, I just don't want to hear about it all the time. I don't want to see it, I don't want to think about it. I just want to go back to the days when you could call some guy "him" or "that guy" without having to listen to a 40 minute rant about gender pronouns.
Do NOT vote yes, OP. I don't care what the social consequences are, it isn't worth it. You do NOT want these people to be able to marry each other. Trust me. It may be too late for us, but it's not too late for you.
Put your gays back in the closet. Put them back in the closet, shut the door and lock it, then move a heavy bookcase in front of it. Close off the room, barricade it, change the floorplan of your house, pretend there was never even a room there, let alone a closet.
Seriously. Gays are a plague.
>>745711404
Unless you live in Saudi Arabia or some place where being gay actually puts you in danger, then what are you whining for? At least in the west, you have equal rights.
>>745709122
I'm voting yes just because marriage has nothing to do with the church these days and offers tax breaks that should be available to everyone.
Suing people because the refuse to provide a service isn't a problem here and I can't see it becoming one.
>>745711403
they don't but .. yanno what, fuck this. im tired and im awake too late and im just running my mouth. im not even gay. i just dont like seeing things stand in the way of other people who are in love, even if i don't understand it, i recognize it.
im off to bed now. Good luck, Australia.
Fuck it. Let 'em tie the knot. Let 'em be as miserable as the rest of us.
In the grand scheme of things, nothing is going to change. De-facto / common-law shit as it is anyway, the one difference will be "it's registered at BDM", and they pay for the pleasure.
Personally? Marriage as in the civil construct - sure, why not. Marriage in church - no, it's not congruent with religious beliefs.
>>745711404
You know most gay people in Muslim countries get thrown off of rooftops? Must be hard getting thrown out of a family.
Ultimately from a legal standpoint, voting "yes" would be in opposition to the law.
I wonder if people bothered to actually read and understand the law and why previous gay-marraige laws were struck down? Probably not. The first move needs to be changing the constitutional definition of marriage from "between a man and a woman" to "between two individuals". Take it to the High Court and it'll pass easily.
I really don't see how/why a survey is necessary.
>>745709122
I was undecided until the YES campaign started acting like belligerent children and using violence and intimidation to get their way. So, their shitty behaviour has made be go with a NO.
>>745711011
typical response
>>745709122
It makes sense for BOTH sides to encourage gay marriage
Libs:
>want gay marriage because they want gays to marry
>many are gay anyway
Cons:
>hate gay people
>faithful gay relationships cannot result in a newborn child
>homosexuality is largely genetic
>gays start getting married
>several generations later, there are no gays left
It's already allowed here in NZ & the best thing is the faggots have stopped whining, we don't hear from them at all anymore.
>>745711621
religious organizations alter their beliefs all the time to better fit societies current trends. Hell the existence of christianity is the most perfect example of this. people didn't want to follow jewish law anymore so they made up some new shit and it stuck
Sodomy is actually illegal in my state. This place is so religious that they are now taking other people's rights away. My rights specifically
>>745711666
Australia got lucky there, weirdly enough. In America they waited until after we voted it in to act awful and tarnish their reputation, but it looks like they didn't have the tact to hold off there, so reasonable people still have a chance to see that and react accordingly
>>745711718
Good point, yet at the same time the bible condemns homosexuality strongly (or so I know, not religious). This may change, but for the time being it would go against established religion and I don't think a priest can be expected to marry two people of the same sex in church.
>>745711719
lol, literally butthurt
>>745711637
You know american people hit the ground first cause they weigh more? Must be hard being fat
>>745711289
They have all the rights, already. They want the word out of pure spite towards Christianity.
>>745711681
>faithful gay =/= birthing children
True, but they can still adopt children and spread their dogma. I'm not saying homosexual households are inherently bad, just that they tend to heavily push the whole "nonbinary" thing almost as much as frigid rejected women do
>>745711794
The Bible absolutely condemns homosexuality (particularly the male brand).
Furthermore, the right for gays to marry is purely a legal matter. It says nothing about bakeries having to make gay-themed wedding cakes or, as you said, having a pastor marry them. That is protected under the rights of religion.
>>745711825
Yeah but it's harder to lift us. You fags are all light and dainty, easier to pick up and fling over the edge.
>>745709772
End of the day it's a secret ballot. Just vote whatever you want. Not like anyone is supposed to know what you voted for.
People (especially yanks) seem to forget that the whole point of politics is a secret ballot. If I vote in an election I'm not fucking telling you who I voted for or why, that shit's private.
>>745711857
But if I were against the implementation of muslum laws it would be different?
>>745711990
If you were against implementation of Muslim laws you would be a racist bigot.
>>745711857
They don't currently have the same marriage rights as hetero people, and most don't even want to be married in a church.
>>745709122
I don't understand why a union between lovers is within the purview of the government at all. If you want to get married by a church, it's should be up to the church. If you want to do your own thing, do it. Why should it be a legally binding government institution?
>>745710357
FUCKING THIS
I don't give a fuck what people do in private behind closed doors. Show up to fucking work on time, do your job and DON'T FUCKING HARP ON ABOUT SHIT NO-ONE GIVES A FUCK ABOUT.
Someone post that shitty transgender comic, there's one panel of it where the dude's friend says he doesn't wanna hang out with "him" because all he ever does is talk about gender, they play a video game together and the guy wont fucking shut up about gender issues.
Cunts need to keep shit to themselves. Let em marry and get the legal rights they want, just don't fucking be in my face all the fucking time about it and get back to fucking work.
I swear half these SJW cunts make it their mission to have "being angry about small things and talk about them non-stop" be part of their personality because they literally have nothing else going on for them in their life.
>>745712105
What rights don't they have? Name some.
>>745711910
Freedom of religion is the right to pray and wear a funny hat.
It is not an excuse to turn people away.
Op honestly just vote what ever you want idgaf and dont tell others shit keep it too your self its non of there buisness what you vote
>>745711910
>It says nothing about bakeries having to make gay-themed wedding cakes or, as you said, having a pastor marry them. That is protected under the rights of religion.
Nope. It's illegal to discriminate based on sex or sexual orientation. Only the churches are exempt. Cake Bakers are not and can be sued for discrimination.
/Just read up in it today on a legal website.
>>745712134
The civil union between two people gives tax benefits etc. However, gays can't have this civil union. That's the main reason
>>745710836
I agree with you anon.
>>745712134
Because there are a lot of laws that apply specifically to marriage. Laws are, you'll be shocked to know, are created and enforced by the government.
Like marriage-specific tax reductions, property/asset distribution in case of disputes, etc.
>>745712134
There are economic advantages to being legally married
>>745712182
Like inheritance, tax cuts etc. Do some research outside of your church fag
>>745712359
Too vague. Need more proof.
I'm not a church fag either.
>>745712198
Except it is. There's no point arguing the matter.
>>745712246
You mean the Colorado bakery? Because the bakery won the lawsuit. Hence proving the point that the Right to Religion trumps cosmetic stuff like gay-themed cakes. Specifically, it's not a case of discrimination because the discrimination in question is of a religious nature, rather than a personal opinion one.
>>745711639
Cuz Turnbull and the rest of them in Canberra are dumb cunts. They've wasted almost half a billion umming and aahing about this already when it's going to be a landslide win.
Every electorate is all for it except the most hillbilly parts of Queensland, which is to be expected.
>>745710545
It's not even a vote.
The only way to force a change is referendum. Tony found a long word that he liked, plebiscite, which is nothing more than a compulsory opinion poll. All we got in the end is a non-compulsory opinion poll.
The politicians don't have to follow the results of this poll one bit.
If you recall, we had gay marriage for a short period, then the LNP got in and they reversed it quick smart. Why people continue to vote for the LNP cunts, or the other major party I have no idea.
>>745709452
>>>745709122 (OP)
>Gay ausfag here.
>Vote how you want man. I don't care.
>Personally, i'm just sick of being used as a pawn in political tactics.
Aus muzzy here
Welcome to my wife rod mate
>>745712425
>all for it
But that doesn't matter. The reason gay marriage has been struck down in the past because the law and those who interpret it understood it correctly, even if that doesn't fit the LGBT agenda. People can bitch all they want but that's how the legal system works.
>>745712254
>However, gays can't have this civil union
Gays are presently covered by Defacto Relationship Laws. The Government sees any couple that are together for 6 months or more as "Married by Defacto". This includes tax benefits.
The ONLY thing gays are unable to do are the two following items:
(1) In the event of a death in a same sex marriage, if the deceased dies intestate (without a will), then the immediate blood relatives can make a move to claim any estate. However, the partner is also allowed to challenge any such seizure.
(2) Children who have same sex couple parents can be taken into the custody of immediate blood relatives, even against the wishes of the surviving partner.
>>745712505
so why not give them that right?
>>745712359
>inheritance
cite me the law that prevents gay people from willing property to each other. I'll wait.
>tax cuts
what tax cuts, specifically? Married couples usually pay higher taxes than single people, not lower.
Sounds like you need to do some more research yourself, fag. Probably shouldn't have skipped your law classes to cry in a safe space.
>>745712548
They can have that right, just not the title of 'marriage'.
>>745712505
#2 seems like a pretty fuckin massive deal
>>745712399
I frankly don't care if you turn them away as long as they get to turn you away.
>>745709122
I am still waiting on an answer to the most basic question: marriage is regulated because a country cares about growing and raising a population; why the fuck should a govt care about gay marriage? It is basically about not paying taxes.
>>745712399
There's been more than one case like that. Some dyke in Oregon sued a bakery a couple of years ago over the same bullshit, court made the bakery pay her like 30 grand in damages.
>>745709122
nah fuck that. fags and dykes shouldn't be allowed to marry. next they'll be breeding by the process of natural conception rather than some test tube turkey baster type shit. fuck that to fuck
>>745712548
That's what this whole thing is about, except it's like the 2nd or 3rd time they've almost decided to maybe possibly kinda have a vote and chickened out. They finally go for it and it's a non-compulsory opinion poll that they don't even need to pay attention to in the end anyway.
It's as simple as writing on a piece of paper that they can have these rights but the govt has been wasting heaps of time and money on this for years now. THAT is why people are fukken mad.
Go to rural parts of Queensland though and if it isn't Bible Bashers harping on about how the gays are gunna kill their crops, it's old fucks who don't know shit saying that we're wasting our time with irrelevant shit and should be worrying about glassing muslims and buying a house instead.
Fucking boomers/oldies don't realise that no-one can afford a house, chinese investors are buying the 500,000+ houses a year we're building anyway, we're stuck working until we're 70, no-one can hold/get a job past 40, no pension to look forward to, some 3rd party company is holding your Super and could go bankrupt or "lose your money lol" and we're losing Medicare in a few years too.
>>745712575
You would copy everything about marriage into a civil union laws when all you have to do is change the definition of marriage? Alright but that is a whole lot of effort passing gay scmarriage when you could have just changed around a sentence or two.
Also. I'll take it. Gay shmarriage is close enough.
>>745712586
I'm sure it does to the adopted child.
>>745709122
army ausfag here. A young digger casted his vote whilst at work the other day, his corporal snatched the sealed envelope out of his hands, shone a light through it to read his vote, saw he voted no, and beasted the digger. When the digger triewd to stand up for himself, got charged with "insubordination". guess whos working the next two weekends.
Even our fucking defence force is cucked.
>>745709776
No. They dont.
>>745712586
Men never get the kids anyway, but no-one seems to care about that.
Does that mean if 2 gay men get divorced that neither of them get the kid because they're men? lol
>>745709122
>you can't go back
>>745712617
What makes you think its about population? America doesnt have a billion people and it doesnt want a billion people.
Its not a numbers game. We are not on top because of our population.
>>745709122
Fuck the fags. Gas em..keep it illegal. Don't get cucked like the USA did.
>>745709122
>But already my straight but cucked friends are threatening to turn their backs on anyone who doesn't vote YES.
This is more than enough reason to protest their behavior with a NO.
gays already have all the legal protection for shit like inheritance law, tax law, blah blah. commies wanna destroy Western values. like it or not, these are Christian values (non-neckbeard atheist here).
next it will be 47 genders.
then it will be transsexual children without any input from the parent (examples in Minnessota, Texas, Ontario; use Goggle).
>>745709969
Animals and children are not consenting adults. How can you equate the two? You went from sliding down a slippery slope to jumping to a different hill.
don't let them adopt children
because they are obviously going to rape them
>>745712647
From what I've read thus far. It's really not so simple. For starters, the lawsuit isn't over with as far as I can tell. The last recorded appeal (with another coming up) was in May. Unless you have a later report where they came to a conclusion?
As it stands, nothing has been finalized.
>>745712877
I thought christians did most of the raping.
>>745712843
Maybe they are , protesting your behavior, while you are protesting their behavior, while they are protesting your behavior.
A vicious feedback loop of extremist views.
>>745712929
I don't know the details I guess, I'm just going by what I read in the newspaper. Point is I think it varies depending on the state and the judge, unfortunately there seems to be a current trend of liberal judges basically disregarding the law and ruling based on their own beliefs, so there's that.
>>745709122
>>745709122
>>745709122
>opens the door to a restriction on the right to free speech
Gays getting married achieves this how?
>>745712592
Except it's not so simple. If I turn them away on religious grounds, but they turn me away because I'm black are two completely unrelated arguments.
Here's a hint, one is discrimination on racial grounds, the other is protected under freedom of religion.
>>745710396
That's what the right to refuse service to anyone is. You don't just randomly pick people to not service, you refuse service because you didn't like something about X person
>>745710416
What does it matter if it is natural or not? Alcohol consumptuon is not natural but we do it legally with an age of consent.
>>745712739
But, I thought you supported intolerance
>>745713043
the good news is no conservative judge has ever or will ever do the same thing
>>745713070
That's fucking retarded
>>745713055
I understand entirely.
I still support everyones right to have service refused to them for arbitrary reasons. Just a personal belief.
When will the vote start/end for fag mairrage?
>>745713055
Mormons believe your skin is black as a curse from god due to your race's sin.
>>745713055
But what if they refuse you service because you look like a fag? No proof your actually gay. You just talk with a lisp and dress well.
>>745713043
It's a fucked up case to be sure.
The lawsuit wasn't filed against a normal court, but through a Labor and Business court, which is why it was initially stated them as guilty of turning away people from their business on discriminatory grounds. Even though it obviously is a bigger issue than just that. The court in question is unable to come to a correct solution since religious disputes aren't their problem, so it's fucked up that they didn't immediately disregard the lawsuit as being beyond their jurisdiction.
Them picking that specific court though was no accident. It's actually an incredibly dirty thing to do.
If we vote yes, maybe this country will have better traps for us to fuck.
>>745713308
It probably wouldn't hold up in court.
The reason the bakeries had a chance was because the couples requesting the cake wanted to put on a bunch of pro-gay/anti-religious aesthetics which flew in the face of the bakers' religion.
>>745709122
There's a fine line between Marriage Equality and gay marriage. We gotta make sure that what the politicians are writing are in line with the latter, lest it be a real bad fuckin' time.
Secondly, remember to acknowledge that this not voting on yes or no - it's a vote on what the general populace believe should happen to Australia's marriage rights, but the people that get the outcome of the polls decide the actual law change for themselves despite living in a democratic country.
After you're sure of both, remember one thing - it's a vote on morality. Your morals are your own. The people threatening to cut ties with people that have opposing opinions are massive cunts, so pay no attention to their shit talk. What you vote is none of their business. The people saying it should be no have some valid points so long as it's Marriage Equality that's being voted upon.
The best advice that you can have, from a fellow Aussie, is that you must be sure of what's being voted for before you decide what to vote. Do it by your own merits. Not another's. Don't come asking some clueless cucks on the internet what they think because you'll be responded to with trolls and thread-topic changed and other usuals looking to mess around for a good time, and the ones that take it FAR too seriously are a load of ideological fuckwits or a heap of people riding off a hype train that's been building since its first chug in the mid-70's.
Now shut up, figure out what's what, and be you.
Cuck.
Its just like how a muslim can refuse to sell you pork.
>>745709122
Okay retard, thinking for yourself is hard so here's the key
Vote yes, it won't strip your free speech rights to vote, it'll strip your free speech rights if you let people prevent your participation in a free and open society.
Voting no only proves that you're against equality
>>745709346
>Autist here
Ftfy
>>745709405
word
>>745713040
>not in approval of fags marrying
>extremist
go back to yelling
>homophobe
at anyone with a different opinion.
>>745709122
being gay is pretty fucking gay tbh
>>745713674
It was a joke, guy.
>>745709122
I have no problem with gays and gay marriage, but fuck the left and their bullshit.
Vote NO. Once that passed in the US, we got 60K genders and niggers falling out of every crack in society. It's best they stay stuck on gay marriage.
>>745713792
There really are 36,000 genders. I shit you not.
>>745710051
You're a retard.
>>745709122
Voting is gay, faggot
>>745709224
WHY DO YOU HAVE TWO COPIES!?!
>>745711666
I am in the same boat
>>745710106
Muslims are just as retarded as Jews
>>745713835
Noted
>>745712843
people on here saying it isn't a slippery slope when there are those cases you mentioned is ridiculous. schools injecting horomones into children without the parent's consent is fuckin crazy. blows my mind shit like that is happening out there.
>>745713792
>vote no cause the left
See this stands against progress in this world. No one votes for anything anymore. They vote against the other guy
>>745709776
No one gives a shit about your shitty imaginary friend, you fuck.
Hang yourself.
>>745709122
Marriage in the strict non-religious sense is merely a contractual construct that is meant to put in place a stable legal position for the offspring that is created by the couple.
Gay marriage is therefore somewhat superfluous.
However gay marriage does hold a more symbolical meaning to it than most other contracts. I fear that allowing gay marriage will cause SJW's to push more boundaries even though gay marriage is not a great evil in se.
Achieving gay marriage might want to make them want to jump the transgender hurdle etc.
I believe this to be the case because I have seen it happen in my own country.
>>745713945
There is no progress to be made when the 1% controls everything.
We just run in circles while they use us, buy every politician and feed us MSM bullshit.
I'm gay and non-religious and I don't understand why gays would want to be married. 99% of straight married couples are miserable and cheating on each other all the time. The only objective reason to get married is that it's beneficial for your kids to have two parents, but gays can't have kids (and I'm not sure whether they should be allowed to adopt). Unless there's some tax benefits they're after, in which case give civil unions and marriages the same tax benefits and call it a day.
>>745714072
Which is why we need to bust up the monopolies. Trickle down economics is a joke the 1% use to keep us poor.
>>745709224
That nigger just earned itself a rape..
>>745714142
There is literally nothing stopping you from becoming part of the 1%.
>>745714108
I don't have any problems with you guys getting married, but passing that law in the US fucked up our society completely.
The left thinks they are the champions of everything that's not accepted now and PC culture is the biggest pile of dogshit ever spewed onto this world.
It's not worth it.
>>745714262
Except jews.
>>745709122
It depends on if you want to be a free country or not. In a free country, people can do what they want if they're of legal age and consenting. If you want to be a shit hole like sub-Saharan Africa or India, then ban it. Honestly Australia is like a shithole to me anyway so I don't care what you do
>>745710692
If your society can't function with gay marriage it's a sad shithole. Kill everyone in it.
Perth Western Australia here. Just posted my yes vote
>>745709122
Are your votes public Ausfag? How do the Niggers know how you voted?
>>745714265
At no point did you say anything beyond an emotional anecdote.
Why the fuck do you care about wether other people can get married?
>>745710051
Words existed before man too right Moses?
You're a faggot. Not a gay faggot, not an old spinsterly woman kind of a faggot, no no sir. You're a "rides his Harley down the street making a bunch of noise with his shitty buddy's at 3 am when I'm trying to sleep you fucking cunt trash ".
Kind of faggot.
Words change meaning all the time shitwad.
Oops sorry I meant "respectable human being" which I've started using synonymously with the word Faggot.
Just an FYI.
>>745714265
>thinks left behavior changed recently. Kek.
>>745710836
Yeah, that anon is probably only straight because he can't leap on cock or his Levitician uncle will rape him again
>>745714352
>emotional
>Fucked up society
>Not worth it
Pick two.
>>745714300
The freedom argument works both ways. Should a church be free to choose homophobia and not perform gay marriages? The government stepping in and telling a church to change their rules is a violation of religious freedom.
>>745709122
>right
Granted by who or what?
If you're talking about legally, I don't think that's any of the government's business...but they made it their business because they wanted to drive human behavior through taxes.
Go marry a toaster or imaginary waifu, nobody is stopping you.
>>745710168
I really, truly don't think it's going to get counted mate. I'm sorry
>>745714502
1 and 3.
>>745714425
It changed sharply after gay marriage.
Before that, it was a pretty good ideology.
The trick is that the question isn't a religious one. It's a rights one. It's an equality question.
Do you think gay people deserve the same rights as straight people. That's what this question really is asking you.
By voting yes, you are saying yes - they deserve access to the same status that straight people can gain (married) along with all the benefits that entails. Remember it's more than a title and a church. It doesn't even NEED a church to be legally recognized.
If you say no, you are saying that (regardless of your reason) you feel gay people do not deserve the same rights as straight people.
That's all there is to it. It's not about religion.
>This isn't a religious question, it's a legal one. (Can they get the legally recognized title and benefits)
>This isn't about the children or the sanctity of marriage (single parents, divorces...)
>This isn't about the continued birthing of children (sterile couples, old people)
Faced with that information... the only logical answer is yes - all people should be equal. It's an idealist viewpoint, but it's also the more sensible one.
>>745714564
3 is the important one, so...
Should the church be served at mcdonalds because the fry cook believes in satan?
>>745711211
Terrible.
Kill yourself.
>>745714398
Faggot.
>>745709754
fuck off faggot, straight people have been ruining marriage for thousands of years
>>745714572
How so?
Marriage is a retarded out dated thing anyways.
>>745714265
Intelligent contribution :^)
>>745714604
Wait which one was 3 again?
>>745709122
Probably already been said but this is NOT a vote. We are having a postal plebiscite which is effectively a survey. The Government is not obligated to do anything with the final result. It's a $122 million dollar waste of money. It shouldn't even be up to people to decide, it is an equal rights issue not up for democratic debate. If you 'vote' no you are a bigot and believe that LGBTIQ people are somehow less than. And that's fine have your opinion but own your bigotry.
>inb4 libcuck butthurt babyrage
suck me off.
t. cis white straight Ausfag 'voting' yes
>>745709122
>And the people from the NO camp are claiming that voting YES simply opens the door to a restriction on the right to Free Speech.
Huh?
>>745714702
Is a good example.
Before this shit, the left was concerned with fair economic practices and against militant oppression. Equality, even if it destroyed the 1%, was the goal.
>>745709754
Those are unrelated.
>>745714793
Most people on 4chan have probably never seen the word "plebiscite"
>>745714506
>thinks people have the right to refuse paying customers
Religious freedom needs to fuck off
Why would anyone not vote yes. Like, give a reason, I'm honestly curious.
>>745714747
Gay marriage is not worth the horrific follow up.
>>745714572
The alt-left is the four year old child in the room crying screaming and kicking things and the left is their irritated mother trying to ignore them while reading a magazine.
If the left ever gets the sense to slap that child and send them to their room, they will easily win elections again.
>>745714876
that's why I explained it as a survey. Gotchu fam.
>>745710106
Gay isn't a religion.
>>745709772
You know, making assumptions about people you don't know based on almost no real information is prejudice. Maybe the internet isn't for you?
>>745714793
Oh, a fellow autocrat. I too like to remove democracy from society. Aren't criticisms and discussions just annoying? People can't decide for themselves, so we should decide for them. They're not allowed to tell society what is and isn't a right, they're not allowed to define the ethical standard. Rights are non-negotiable, they are natural and concrete instead of abstract ideals.
Anyone who votes no is also literally Hitler. Anyone who votes yes is also literally Jesus.
>>745714846
Okay nigger
In the framework of other people, race exists, so we leftists have to address your inbred idea that skin colour means anything, by saying it doesn't. Colour means nothing and you're the retards who perpetuate the concept of race.
Diversity is cultural, and fucking another coloured human doesn't make diversity disappear.
3/10 wasted my time.
Shoot your family and self.
>>745714897
One painfully clear reason is that someone voting no might fell differently. No one has said that the way that they feel is correct, so put back those pitchforks.
>>745714595
So as a man I should be allowed into womens toilets as men and women are equal?
There are no 'benefits' to marriage, it's just a title, applied to the union of a man and a woman.
I don't understand why the gays are demanding it should also apply to them.
I have a partner and kids and have no desire to get married. It's such a stupid concept.
>>745715023
That's not what I'm saying man. Did anyone vote for the Emancipation Proclamation. No. One day there was an inequality, and then we tried to balance the scale. That's all that needs to be done.
>>745709122
"Gay people" get married just like anyone else, because sexual orientation and "feels" do not exist before the law.
What the hipsters want is play-pretend emancipation of a FEELING.
>>745714920
True, but some people treat it like one.
>spreads the word through social media, parades, and universities
>loudly condemns those who do not follow their lifestyle
>worships the body
>congregates with others regularly
>>745715119
Obviously not a perfect analogy but it'll do.
>>745714900
The authoritarian left > Authoritarian right
>>745715075
Actually, color does mean something, but race is a social construct. That isn't to say that a social construct doesn't mean anything either, it absolutely does have meaning. That's why it's a social construct. And, diversity is more than cultural. Diversity can also exist genetically as well as ethnically as well as culturally.
>fucking another coloured human doesn't make diversity disappear
I don't think interracial sex should be the hallmark of diversity.
>>745709122
The fact that it's being voted on is a sign to fire the bombs now.
Let's take all marriage licenses off everyone and NO ONE gets married, because the idea of marriage is arbitrary garbage that isn't nearly as holy at it used to be.
This way we can all realise that and move on to not giving a fuck about what faggots do in their spare time.
>>745715090
I understand people being like...I dislike gay people. For whatever reason
I don't understand caring if gay people take part in a silly ceremony.
>>745715075
>Okay nigger
Stopped reading there
>>745709755
You must not follow the news, and no one's talking about the UK here. Them being out homos isn't something a vote could stop.
>>745715115
Taxation works differently for married people you nonce
>>745709122
Get government alltogether out of marriage
>>745715174
>I don't think interracial sex should be the hallmark of diversity.
Where tha white wimmin at?
>>745715119
Well, you suggested as much before with all the hyperbole you dropped. And you went down a real fun and slippery sort of slope when you said that it shouldn't even be up to people to decide. I mean, do you honestly believe in liberty, or do you just believe that there are good people and bad people, and that no matter what, the bad people must be rounded up and exterminated so the good people can pursue an eutopian future without any nuance, critique, or ideological dissent to better shape and forge the rest of society at large?
Constructing the Emancipation Proclamation was nice. But it absolutely wasn't democratic. You either want democratic elements, or you don't.
>>745715174
Colour means nothing. Fuck that perpetuism.
Race is all human. Diversity is just human culture from elsewhere.
The image wasn't saying it was the hallmark, it was saying that interracial sex leads to the destruction of diversity.
>>745715227
Your vocabulary only has two words in it?
>>745715115
There's a lot more to it than the title and the church. Did you not read that part?
If you think there are no benefits to marriage it only shows how little you actually know. If it was a meaningless title do you think these people would really care? Of course not.
There are tax benefits, legal benefits, non-taxation related financial benefits... rights these people don't have. Actual tangible, life altering, meaningful rights. Not what room you get to piss in, you pissant.
>>745715210
>For whatever reason
>I don't understand caring if gay people take part in a silly ceremony
Well it's simple. Some people dislike gay people for whatever reason. Whatever reason goes on to make them care if gay people take part in a silly ceremony, because they dislike gay people.
>>745713177
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>>745715132
According to you football is a religion
>>745715240
No it doesn't, you nonce. As someone who has done taxes with a de-facto partner for many years I can assure you there is no difference.
I would prefer to see marriage go away completely for everyone and just use de facto law used instead.
>>745715367
Where you live?
>>745715302
I'm not saying any of what you think I am. I'm saying that a group of people aren't allowed to do a thing that another group of people are allowed to do for no reason other than some people in the group that can do the thing think them doing it is gross. If you have a legitimate reason why gay people can't get married I would like to hear it.
>>745709122
Why do you care?
This shits going to pass regardless of any reserves you have.
You live in fucking AUSTRALIA.
You fuckers gave up all gun ownership rights.
You made small tits equating to underage in your porn industry.
You have some of the most militant and fucked up SJWs of the lot.
What makes you think you have a choice?
>>745713177
It's not a vote it's a survey. It has started. You'll receive your form in the mail soon.
>>745713070
no, it's because their behavior is disrupting your business. you can't tell niggers not to sit at your lunch counter just because you're ashamed of your penis.
>>745715372
> If you think there are no benefits to marriage it only shows how little you actually know.
There are no benefits that de facto law doesn't already cover.
>>745715477
>You made small tits equating to underage in your porn industry
kek we did do that.
>>745715490
So what the fuck is the point of the survey? I'm not an ausfag I'm a amerilard.
>>745715527
To gauge where people stand. (Even though there are already stats in favour) Like I said waste of money.
>>745715500
children are heaps better off when their parents are married.
>>745715527
bait and switch.
divide and conquer.
smoke and mirrors.
>>745715527
Ultra-conservative government saying, "look, we're doing something, we value your opinion".
>>745715602
Sadly this
>>745715330
So what you are saying is that the force-driven cultural narrative of Africans, Armenians, Jews, and the Irish, fueled by concepts and ideas mired in race, means nothing. Or, even that you should be color blind, and completely ignore one part of the total sum of a human being's identity, and how that identity might affect them within society.
>Race is all human
Race isn't all human. Race is a social construct. It isn't objective at all. Human culture is not the end of diversity; honest to goodness, define diversity if you think this true.
>The image wasn't saying
I was saying. Because the way you typed it made it sound like that is where our minds should stop when we think about diversity. Black and White doing it in the butt.
>>745711552
And if the suing thing does become a problem that becomes its own issue. Even in the US, the baker refusing to bake for the gay wedding is having his case taken to the Supreme Court, where it hopefully will rule in the bakers favour, and establish a legal precedent.
>>745715367
Bitch
>>745709776
Cant change the name of it, otherwise it's not recognised overseas..
If you call it something like "civil union" it wont be recognised to the same degree as marriage is when you travel to another country.
>>745715566
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>>745715602
OK last question... Let's say the majority say yes it should be legal. What will happen? A real vote will commence to make it happen?
What if the majority say no to fag mairrage. Will people riot in the street like niggers and that will be the end of it?
>>745709122
If homosexuality is comparable to infertility, then it is a disability.
If homosexuality is comparable to straight people engaging in oral sex, then it is a fetish.
If homosexuality is comparable to friendships with the same gender, why do they have sex?
If homosexuality is safe, why do homosexuals spread the most STDs and literally tear apart each others’ sphincters?
If homosexuality is a valid means of romantic bonding, why does nature disallow them reproduction?
If homosexual “love” is as pure as natural love, why are gays so much more promiscuous?
If there is nothing inherently wrong with being a homosexual, why would an entirely homosexual society cease to exist beyond a single generation?
Degenerates and liberals will take you on a wild chase through fallacious logic and appeals to emotion, but at the end of the day, the truth has always been our very first thought as children when we saw gays.
ERROR.
Errors occur in nature all the time, and homosexuality is a perfect example of error. Somewhere in the brain of every homosexual a critical error has occurred. In what other situation is an error encouraged or rewarded as it is in homosexuality in today’s media? You may ask yourself how this error affects you. The answer is simple. Homosexuality, despite what you are told to believe, can be indoctrinated. Why do you think the rate of children who “turn out” gay skyrockets in the presence of gay “parents”?
Homosexuality is degenerate. Vote NO. Fuck those dumbass friends of yours, tell them you voted yes if you care that much.
>>745709122
Vote no.
/lgbt/ wants you to.
Why listen to your oppressive cishet friends when you can listen to actual gay people?
And these gay people want you to vote no.
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>>745709122
Don't listen to the fags like this OP. People in the US had religious rights trampled to appease queers, some losing business and home over this nonsense. In what other country do you have to have kickstarter support to defend your own religious beliefs in court simply because you didnt want to actively participate in something against your belief. Unless you had a true unrestricted free market, which I know you guys dont, you should vote no and lie to your friends. Its what a lot of Trump voters did.
>>745715569
How so? The parents either have a piece of paper or they don't. What difference does it make to the kids? Just tell everyone you're married if you want, nobody is going to check up on it.
Besides, pretty sure kids would have bigger things to worry about if their parents were gay.
>>745715685
As far as I understand it if the plebiscite results in a majority yes it will then move to the Parliament to pass through there where they can either pass it through and enact it into law or shoot it down because they felt like it.
>>745715500
If you think they're covered in exactly the same way without any exceptions by some other rule that's the same as marriage - then why would it be a separate rule, which is then legally distinct from marriage? They'd just call that marriage. When dealing with the government generally speaking yes, defacto laws apply. And that mostly applies to taxation and not a lot else. And even if it applied to more, unless it applies to literally everything (which it doesn't) then it's still not equal.
So if you voted no, you literally think they do not deserve the exact same rights. No justification can explain that away - ever.
>>745709122
Places in America have massive fines and legal hoops if you misgender someone who is mentally ill. Don't give into the fags this fight. Next think you know a bunch of Salami-genderqueer communist trans-niggers are going to be living in your house that you lost in a lawsuit for not using the pronoun "xer"
>>745709122
For fuck sake, I'm sick of people calling it a vote. It's a survey not a vote. So don't worry about it, there's a good chance the government won't do anything even if the majority of people said they were for same sex marriage.
>>745715441
You are saying much of what I think you're saying, because if you weren't, I wouldn't be able to make the stretch to say you were. You weren't clear enough- you were using hyperbole. That's just what happened. You might be saying something different now, congratulations. You may have not even meant to say those things. It does not change how you sold the sentiment.
>a group of people aren't allowed to do a thing
>that another group of people are allowed to do
>for no reason other than some people in the group that can do the thing think them doing it
>is gross
So, just take away their liberty. No? I don't have to defend the positions of those folk, I would just rather you be honest in the tangent that you seemed to be treading. Are those folk second-rate citizens, do they have no place in the democratic processes within your nation?
I mean, if you asked one of those folk who would vote no, I'm sure at least a few of them would have legitimate reasons as to why gay people getting married might not be all that great. But I'm not one of those folk.
>>745715844
Alright cool thanks, idk shit about any politics outside of us politics
>>745715815
>How so? The parents either have a piece of paper or they don't. What difference does it make to the kids? Just tell everyone you're married if you want, nobody is going to check up on it.
Never filled out a form in your life have you. Never dealt with childcare, have you. Never dealt with parent/guardian requirements, have you.
>Besides, pretty sure kids would have bigger things to worry about if their parents were gay.
Yes, like being victimized and treated as second class citizens because the parents are treated as second class citizens.
But you distract from the real point - it's not about any of that. It's about equal rights under the law. Nothing less, nothing more.
>>745715976
I'm done with you bud.
>>745716119
That's fine.
>we want marriage
>marriage isn't a religious thing even though it is really
I don't see people pressuring me to re-define what is halal because dieting isn't bound to a religion. I don't give a shit about gays wanting to get married but I hate that they're ok with bullying one religion on their glossary but not another, because muslims blow shit up and christians do not.
Fuck the lot of em
>>745716192
But it isn't a religious thing. It's a legal thing. We have a separation of church and state. We're voting on whether gay people can be married in the eyes of the Law not a priest or God or anything like that.
>>745716318
It is a religious thing, it's only a legal thing too because marriage existed prior to the separation of church and state.
Delete legal marriage before allowing gay marriage desu
>>745716038
>Never filled out a form in your life have you. Never dealt with childcare, have you. Never dealt with parent/guardian requirements, have you.
I am speaking from first hand experience, which you clearly aren't. There are no benefits.
Sad that idiots like you make up the majority and will be the ones returning these forms with uninformed responses.
Ah well, fuck up the country. Whatever. A bunch of gays stamping their feet to get something which makes no sense may shut them up for a bit, at least until they want to adopt kids and ruin their lives.
>>745716396
It's not a religious thing in the eyes of the law as of the point where church and state separated - otherwise it would have been abolished or re-written to specify as much.
