I still don't understand the concept of Jesus dying for my sins. Did he know I was going to sin? If not, and we're all born with sin why even try to not be anything but a giant asshole if the bill has already been paid?
god is a giant vengeful asshole with the moral maturity of a 12 year old
he created a couple of literal retards with no knowledge of good and evil, they committed one (1) sin despite being incapable of knowing that it was evil
and then he decided that the appropriate response to this was infinite torture for them and all of their descendants
then jesus came around, figured the whole hell thing was a bit much, and killed himself
well technically he let someone else kill him but as the literal son of god with all sorts of miraculous powers he obviously could have stopped it at any time if he wanted to
for some inexplicable reason, the son's suicide dad down enough for him to stop lighting ants on fire with his magnifying glass aka throwing all humans into hell
*the son's suicide calmed dad down
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>>745641483
Welp, I guess it was a mistake trying to find a cohesive narrative in the king james bible.
What a stupid paradox Jesus die to forgive our sins and that sins was kill him
>bible logic
>>745641254
God created sin. So yes, he knew you would sin.
>>745641254
>>745641459
There is a lot we are not being told for sure.
But let me see how short of a summary I can write here?
God creates all of us as Angels including Lucifer.
Lucifer decides he wants to take over Heaven, and leads a third of Heaven in revolt.
Another third decides not to choose sides.
Final third while loyal to God demands God destroy all the others and when he does not decides to go to War.
God destroys all life on Earth and seeds it with human kind which is actually the Angels made flesh.
Then creates Adam and Eve the Hebrew Ancestors and says he will one day be born himself of that bloodline.
Lucifer decides to fuck that up to and tempts Adam and Eve and eventually has offspring with Eve "Cain" who kills Adams son Abel thus almost stopping God's promise right there.
God spends most of the remainder of the OT trying to keep the Hebrew blood line pure so one day he can be born in to it.
But has to flood the Earth to destroy the perversions and hybrids like Goliath created when other fallen Angels come down and have offspring with Human females.
Eventually Christ is born and we start the NT.
I will not go into explanation of the NT because honestly the test coming up for that? Is just about as fucked up as having created Lucifer in the first place.
But suffice it to say you should avoid all churches synagogues and religion in any form and any assholes in funny hats.
>>745641254
I mean if god created everything and knows everything... and Jesus and god are sort of the same guy... then yeah the whole thing is pointless. God is just some guy staring up his own almighty asshole trying to figure out why he exists. I guess he decided "to be worshipped" was the answer. Typical.
I think we need a better book then.
>>745642698
>>745642479
we're the ones who decided to worship the creator.
God is just some entity sitting back watching his creation like we're all a bunch of reality TV shows.
>>745642871
That doesn't make sense. He's omnipotent. That's like watching a rerun of a show you wrote and directed.
>>745641254
You're supposed to be too scared of going to hell to question how stupid the logic of the Bible is
>>745642949
We have freedom of choice, god doesn't know what we're going to do. If god really knew what was going to happen, existence wouldn't serve any point.
>>745642949
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>>745643389
The term creator works better than god does to me personally. I don't believe in god, but I do believe there was an origin to existence which we are not aware of or possibly not able to understand.
>>745641459
The sin of Adam and Eve was to believe Lucifer and literally to fuck him thus giving him offspring here on Earth. That sin is NOT your sin.
It was simply the reason that none of us were allowed to live in the Garden of Eden.
See this >>745642478
for more.
>>745641254
We're all guilty of being products of incest due to god kicking things off with only 2 people. This is original sin. Nevermind when only noah's relatives survived the flood and started us off again. Double incest. Yay christianity
>>745643591
That would make sense since evidence points toward the side that the universe had a beginning. I have a hard time believing the universe just popped into existence, but who really knows
>>745643389
usually the response to this is just "he's sooo godly and infinitely smart that you couldn't even understand his reasons for not preventing evil"
>>745643616
No.
Adam and Eve were not the first humans just the first Hebrews.
Cain was banished to live in the land of the PEOPLE of Nod. There were other humans before Adam and Eve.
Don't believe the lies and traditions told by men in funny hats.
Again see my other posts here I am trying to answer your questions.
>>745643595
>>745642478
HAIL SATAN!! and to a lesser extent, hail gein
>>745641254
That's just some shit tacked on hundreds of years later. The concept of "original sin."
In fact there were many alternative Christian groups who never believed in original sin or even Jesus' divinity or tri-partite nature (Father, Son, Holy Ghost) but they were killed off by the "Christians" we see today.
>>745643745
He works in mysterious ways o.o
>>745641254
Refer to /lit/, /b/ will only give you the most retarded and/or fedorable answers
There is no such thing as sin, morality is a lie the religious elite invented to control the easily manipulated masses.
Try replacing morals with ethics, thank me later
>>745644004
^there's one now!
>>745644004
I think I've gotten a fair share of interesting answers here.
>>745644013
Is time a flat circle?
>>745643852
The original sin of all of us was the War of Heaven.
As Angels we were killing one another.
Heaven was divided in to thirds as I already explained.
1 Those deceived by Lucifer and in Revolt.
2 Those who would not choose a side.
3. Those loyal to God but arrogantly demanding the deaths of the other two.
We are here to humble us and teach us that death is a horrific thing thus hopefully to finally end the war of Heaven.
Hopefully the only ones to eventually be doomed to hell will be those who willfully and knowingly choose to follow Lucifer even once we realize how right God is. But that set of circumstances will not happen until after all of mankind has died and returned to Heaven.
Continuing to link all my posts as ALL of them must be read to understand.
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>>745643595
>>745643775
>>745641254
>believing one single catholic principle makes sense
ishygddt
>>745644138
No, just a view of reality we are doomed to have based on our 3 dimensional nature
>>745642478
>God creates all of us as Angels including Lucifer.
God created the Heaven and Angels.
Then He created Man in his image.
>Bet that pissed off the angels.
Woman came later when he saw Man was lonely.
>So we shouldn't be gay but it sounds sort of gay.
>>745644138
it's a constant force always moving forward.
>>745644241
Then i guess we should walk hand in hand into extinction
>>745644246
Did you read what I wrote?
God made his Angels in to men AND women.
YOU are one of them.
>>745641254
gonna need a sauce on that gif
>>745644394
Just because we understand the nature of reality doesn't mean we can't enjoy its pleasures, get out and do something you love
Or don't, whatever floats your boat.
>>745641254
After living his stupid life on Earth he realized even the best examples of humanity with the best intentions are still prone to fault and failure, like his disciples denouncing him. He saw this as an element of our nature rather than a constant failure, its simply a part of who we are, 'Forgive them father for they know not what they do' etc. Thus, he wanted to give his life as forfeit, to become the bridge between heaven and earth humans could use, as regularly almost no one would qualify for heaven.
Believing in religion gets stupider every day of human progression though.
>>745641254
God never created evil. God is full of goodness. He made angels and made for them a little test but one of the angels called lucifer although he saw God's power he saw his almighty ,challenged God in a war so angels with the lead of Michelle fight him and his army God imprisoned devil in a relam called hell. Anything that is opposite to God is evil. Light is there but there is the bad shadow .
God made our world and created Adam and Eve the ever first human beings on earth and made for them a test it was simply to not eat from the tree of bad and good but devil tricked them to eat them.
And God kills Adam and eve by separating them from him by spirit but he promises all humans that there will be a savoir.
>but why didn't God just kill them and made new copies?
If God did so he would be unfair and God isn't unfair
>so why Jesus exactly?
This savoir must be a human and a God and also have no sins
>where do we find a one if all sons of Adam inherent this sin and also we need a God since there is only one God ?
Easy God himself comes takes a form of a god and dies (because God said that Adam and eve and all Their sons shall die)
And everyday you make sins because devil fight you but if you are strong enough you shall fight him
Thx for reading
>>745644179
I'm confused, in what book did you read about this war in heaven? I get that Lucifer rebelled, everyone knows that but why did God destroy all life on earth and then create Adam and Eve? Was was on Earth before that? If you can direct me to where you got this information that would be greatly appreciated brother.
>>745641254
Also God put all scenarios for of what will happen but you are the one who chooses what will happen
>>745646056
I think I lost a few thousand brain cells trying to understand this retarded post.
>>745646056
>[citation needed]
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>>745641254
Let's stop bickering and post some sauce
>>745646056
It's good to know Michelle was battling the forces of hell before she started battling our school systems.
>>745641254
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVvCe6xZvOk
Clearly NOBODY here understands Christianity or the Bible. Not to be rude or sound highminded, but I am not at all surprised. Most people look at the Bible and read it in black and white which is absolutely foolish and ridiculous. "God got angry and killed the world with a flood." Yeah, well when you read it like that, no wonder you don't like it. Atheists, my friends. Read it again and slowly. Don't forget the most important thing about reading scripture. CONTEXT. It means everything in this debate. Most people don't believe in God because of evil. Ironically enough, evil is one of the very reasons I DO believe.
>>745646244
Dinosaurs were on Earth before that and mankind would not have fared well if we had lived with them.
Most of what I teach here is now oral tradition.
The Books that contain these stories are hidden by Evil men and you are prevented from seeing them.
There are a few small churches that teach this but they are very difficult to locate.
Google the "Book of the Wars of the Lord".
It is referenced in the Bible but as I said nearly impossible to find one today.
>>745646867
What' the context in "if you rape a virgin, you owe her father 50 sheckels and it's cool"
>>745641254
Guys, seriously sauce...
>>745646867
dork
>>745641254
Teen atheist detected. Go watch some John Oliver fag.
Isn't it ironic that the one place I go to seek Christian talk on 4chan is the most sinful board, /b/?
which is better for a christian?
>live whole life fucking, drinking and doing sins and then, just when your life is about to end, accept jesus as your lord and savior .
or
>live a good life. doing good things and never harming anyone. but wihtout believing god or jesus christ.
I like the scripture that says it is a sin to undersale your children as sex slaves. You must sell them for as much as possible or face God's wrath. The part where god and Satan take a bet on Job's faith and ruin his life was pretty good too. Genocide isn't bad either because even though it's their land, the voice in my head said it's mine now so fuck you your women and kids.. killing them all. gg
>>745643298
Multiple realities my dude. Everything that ca possibly happen in any given moment happens simultaneously. Hence he can know everything.
But none of this matters since free will is an illusion anyways. If the choice is eternal "gnashing of the teeth" or paradise, that's not a choice.
>>745647359
1st becuase the second option isn't being a christian. dumbass.
>>745647359
That makes no sense, if you're Christian your second option is invalid since they do believe in God.
Also your first option won't work, you simply can't "accept' the lord and savior just like that, it has to be authentic.
>>745641254
Guys, guys...we're way off topic. I think OP wanted us to consider that Jesus died to bless us with dem tig ol' bitties. Discuss.
>>745647000
The man raping the girl must not only pay the father, but he must now stay with her the rest of his natural life. In God's standard, marriage is not signified by golden bands and a white dress. It is the union of man and woman through intercourse. You think Adam and Eve had a wedding gown and a tux? Don't think so. He just said, "you are my wife" and that was all she wrote. Therefore, the man laying with the woman, whether by force or consent is now WEDDING the broad. Now what should happen if he lusts after another woman or cheats on her? HE FACES DAMNATION. That dude better be ready to take that risk and responsibility, no? A rather hefty price to pay for one horny night. The woman he rapes becomes his WIFE in the eyes of God. And he will then be bound to her for life and have to take care of her.
>>745647553
He didn't say it wasn't authentic. For all we know Hitler could be in heaven.
>>745647609
So, if I were to rape your daughter, you would be cool with me marrying her?
>>745642851
...police reports said the tip of his fedora was so mighty, that it caved his skull in entirely...
>>745647791
But you and I both know that's not possible. If I went up to the worst human being alive right now who damns God in heaven and shot in in both legs and arms and said I would shoot him in the face, that man would not be able to be like "hey Jesus my bad bro for everything I did we good?"
>>745647945
Sure, I'll need a few of those goats though...
>>745647998
>Thread about God
>Not possible
Wat
>>745641254
It's a metaphor, dummy.
It means keep the faith, especially after this guy, the freaking SON of GOD chose to accept mortal death for YOU. Through that, your choice alone, may you enter heaven. And of course it's hard, it's a struggle. That's life. Sin is another metaphor, i.e. that all humans are born with an animal instinct, selfish, lusting, greedy, jealous, whatever, whatever, etc. etc. To deny the challenge of divinity, of faith, of self-consciousness (biting the fruit of the tree of KNOWLEDGE) is to accept your animal side. But with self-knowledge comes a higher responsibility, to NOT just behave like a fucking animal. That's the basis of most religions, really. They are psychological projections of our self-awareness and existential anxiety.
At least, that's Christianity in a nutshell. There's a lot of kooky beliefs and practices that get mixed in with various versions of it, because people are superstitious, take things too literally (not even the ancients believed it literally), or use religion an excuse to assert power, and so on.
I'm not religious at all, but Christianity
>>745648049
You're mixing up God's capabilities with a humans
The bible was written by Jews.
This is what Christians because they think Juden is our greatest ally. He is not. He is a deceptive sniveling little rat who would rather pilfer your pocket than bring us one step closer to returning to Paradise.
I don't know about Jesus. This man has power, which makes me believe he might in fact be Lucifer, but don't quote me on that.
But religion is false, it's jewish bullshit.
The Taoists were closest to getting it right.
>>745647998
BTW mentally ill people are exempt from all that bullshit. So if you argue that Hitler was not well mentally (and honestly who would say he was?) that means he is literally in heaven.
>>745647945
Buddy, you'd have to be good to her afterward because otherwise, your rapist self will be roasting in fire. You ready to take the risk? Faithful to her with all your heart and soul? I should sure hope so because otherwise you'd be in a world of hurt afterward "where the worm dieth not and the fire is not quenched." Make an educated decision.
>>745647593
That wasn't my original thought but I can't find holes in the argument.
>>745648158
Christians refuse to acknowledge because *
>>745648117
I don't know man. Dying probably does weird shit to you. Maybe time slows down for a last chance to accept Christ. Dunno.
I used to be Christian, still believe God exists somewhat but don't think he gives a shit about us anymore.
>did an omniscient being know I was going to sin?
Are you disabled? Yes, He knew.
>>745643389
>>745643745
>>745643974
Do you genuinely not understand free will?
>>745648161
It makes sense that someone who cannot perceive right and wrong to not be judged equally as those who can but Hitler wasn't "mentally ill," he was well aware of his actions and knew what he was doing. Not to mention he committed suicide which is a one way ticket to hell so yeah no he's most certainly not in Heaven.
>>745641254
Yeah no - just go do research about Chapter 29 in the bible... religion in itself is a laughable concept, anyone who believes in such nonsense is considered a sheep.
>>745647593
what he said
>>745641254
Why.. Why has no one posted sauce. Nigga..
>>745648421
>Chapter 29 in the bible
What the fuck are you talking about? Are you under the impression the bible is a series of Chapters like a fucking novel?
>>745648386
Obviously not friend. I sit there all day talking to atheists. You know, anyone is free to correct me if I'm wrong. But atheists and Christians simply cannot be friends.
>>745648415
Hell doesn't exist. At least not in the sense of fire and eternal torture and stuff. It's literally just a place devoid of God.
Also doing what Hitler did and ordered he had to be mentally ill. Sociopathic maybe. The complete lack of empathy for subgroups of humans should be evidence enough. But sry I dont care if he was well or not my point still stands. If he decided to accept Christs offer then he is saved. That's a core point of Christianity.
>>745648296
Maybe, who knows but that sounds like a fail safe that everyone would do then just in the "what if" chance.
>>745641254
sauce?
>>745648688
I just did correct you. God doesn't prevent evil because He gave humans free will. Preventing someone's actions takes away their free will. Life is a test to see if you are worthy of eternal happiness or not. Interfering in that test nullifies the test.
>>745648709
Yeah. And what does that mean for humans huh?
>>745648797
And where did you get that? Not from the Bible.
>Did he know I was going to sin?
Yes, every human sins, since it's human.
>If not, and we're all born with sin why even try to not be anything but a giant asshole if the bill has already been paid?
Because spreading the love and good things is what the Lord wants you to do.
Matthew 5:14-16:
14 “You are the light of the world. A town built on a hill cannot be hidden. 15 Neither do people light a lamp and put it under a bowl. Instead they put it on its stand, and it gives light to everyone in the house. 16 In the same way, let your light shine before others, that they may see your good deeds and glorify your Father in heaven.
>>745648817
Elaborate? I don't quite understand what you mean.
>>745641254
I'm not christian but as far as i'm aware Jesus said: "Father, please forgive them for they don't know what they are doing." while getting crucifixed.
So basically he asked God to forgive every human being who sins.
>>745648735
>>745641254
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>>745648888
wow
The devil is 6
God is 7
Anon is quabz
>>745648941
You tell me to spread the love but that is why me and jimmy were kicked out of church.
religion is bullshit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8r-e2NDSTuE
>>745648699
You are literally wrong on almost all points. I'm astounded by how wrong you are. Doing things you disagree with is not a sign of mental illness. God does not fall for lip service.
>>745648888
Count it all joy, my brothers, when you meet trials of various kinds, for you know that the testing of your faith produces steadfastness. And let steadfastness have its full effect, that you may be perfect and complete, lacking in nothing.
In your struggle against sin you have not yet resisted to the point of shedding your blood. And have you forgotten the exhortation that addresses you as sons? “My son, do not regard lightly the discipline of the Lord, nor be weary when reproved by him. For the Lord disciplines the one he loves, and chastises every son whom he receives.” It is for discipline that you have to endure. God is treating you as sons. For what son is there whom his father does not discipline? If you are left without discipline, in which all have participated, then you are illegitimate children and not sons. ...
The crucible is for silver, and the furnace is for gold, and the Lord tests hearts.
And just as it is appointed for man to die once, and after that comes judgment, 28 so Christ, having been offered once to bear the sins of many, will appear a second time, not to deal with sin but to save those who are eagerly waiting for him.
Would you like some more verses from the Bible talking about how God tests us through life to judge us upon death?
>>745649149
Homosex isn't love, it's an abomination.
>>745648971
Everything is pointless. Being good. Being bad. It doesn't matter in the end. In fact personally I believe there is no good or evil. Just a constant stream of gray. Maybe we are in hell already. Look at all the deviants here in /b (myself fucking included). Maybe this already is the place that is devoid of God. The place of gnashing teeth.
>>745648797
If you are OP of the comment I responded to, I was siding with you my man. I was referring to those that don't understand free will. What I meant was correct me if I'm wrong, but atheists and Christians cannot be friends.
>>745649308
You are wrong. The golden rule. Love your neighbour as yourself. Being friends with atheists it outright Commanded by God.
>>745641254
Lol, religion is only good for people whose IQ don't create over 90. Quit questioning why religion doesn't make sense... Fall in line and get on your knees like a good Christian should.
>>745649228
The Bible also says that you are saved through grace alone.
Which part is more correct to you?
>>745649553
Wrong.
What good is it, my brothers, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can that faith save him? If a brother or sister is poorly clothed and lacking in daily food, and one of you says to them, “Go in peace, be warmed and filled,” without giving them the things needed for the body, what good is that? So also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.
You need both faith and works.
>>745649482
Loving atheists is commanded by God. Atheists and Christians don't get along because we do not agree. A Christian will love an atheist, but an atheist will always hate a Christian. Many atheists say "I have Christian friends man" and likewise with Christians with atheists. Listen. If an atheist has Christian friends, they are lukewarm. How do I know? Because if the atheist and their Christian friends are sharing doobs and listening to the same music and watching the same tv programs? What then separates this Christian and the atheist? Nothing. They are both dead in sin at that point.
>>745647593
Matthew 5:27-29
27 You have heard that it was said, ‘Do not commit adultery.’ 28 But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman to lust after her has already committed adultery with her in his heart. 29 If your right eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell.
>>745649306
I can't agree or deny since I don't know all the answers, but what I do know is that being good does matter but only and only if you accept that you can only go to heaven through Christ alone. Many people believe you can just be a really good person and boom up you go.
Let me make it clear, only a perfect human being is allowed into heaven and so far in the existence of mankind there has only been one who meets that criteria and that is Jesus Christ and only through HIM, who is perfect, can we get to heaven so unless we accept that and live our lives accordingly to how God wants us to, you might as well book your trip to Hell because that's the alternative.
There's really no reason so not believe in God, most of the rules that you ought to follow are not even that hard, there are a lot of sins (myself included) that are hard to avoid but that's why we ask for forgiveness, of course, don't abuse this because your words won't be authentic then. Again, the alternative is that we die and nothing happens, its just black. That's...pretty depressing.
>>745649768
Are you genuinely disabled? Your posts are insane ramblings that make no sense but then you just slap "which makes me right" at the end
>>745648797
What is the excuse for evil, pain, and suffering that's not caused by human choices? People die to natural disasters, to animal attacks, to diseases.... All of these can be prevented without affecting free will.
>>745649859
Man that is the same bullshit I used to spew to people. I know your words are in kindness but ... I don't know man. Just blackness doesn't really sound to bad tbh.
Like I said I used to be a Christian so I know all that stuff but I kept on sinning AND I don't want to stop. He promised me he would change me and make be a better person but NOTHING happened. I still want to sin and I do it gladly. So why even bother? I'm not humble and I hate that God wants to have authority over my life and don't say it ain't so, you KNOW that's true. Hell or paradise YOU ARE FREE TO CHOOSE. What fucking choice is that mate?
>>745649944
A hurricane is not evil, you dunce. Suffering and even death isn't inherently evil in the Christian faith.
>>745649944
People chose to live in a hurricane area. People chose to go to places where they can be attacked by animals. People take very choiceful ways through their lifes and end up sick.
>>745641254
what is the video in op
>>745650400
When a baby dies at an age of 2 weeks to a genetic disease, is it suffering for its own choices?
Is it dying for its parents' sins?
Does God approve of this?
>>745650516
No. Yes. Yes.
The baby is saved tough so no worries right?
>>745650678
If it wasn't baptized it will burn in eternal hell fire.
Some of you will wake up in hell, finally realizing that Jesus was the only way to the Lord.
Jesus loves you.
>>745650516
No. No. No. God doesn't approve of death, nor does He condemn it. Death is nature. And the baby goes to an eternal life of happiness in Heaven.
>>745649920
How does this stuff NOT make sense to you? I'm baffled really
>>745650774
Nope. Babys and the mentally ill are saved by default.
>>745650809
So what you are saying is he doesn't give a shit if a baby does. Got it.
>>745650774
Catholic lie. The child had not known sin. I don't see how God would do that.
>>745650233
I get what yo mean, truly I do. Itsa vattle to walk in the spirit and not seek the temptations of the flesh which all of us do sadly but thats the thing, if we can overcome it with self control you get rewarded.
Think of it this way, if you follow God on thw path he wants you get rewarded how he chooses but every sin is a bump in the road that moves you away from the destination route he wanted you to be on. Hard to explain over 4chan and whilw being on a phone but I wish you wouldnt push God aside just yet, its not worth it. The flesh desires arent worth it..trust me.
>>745650961
Again, your mistake is thinking death is a bad thing. With death comes Heaven. Eternal bliss is not a bad thing.
If you want to argue theology then you must set aside your own atheism to understand what you're talking about.
>>745650866
You're rambling about weed and friendship. Not faith.
>>745650809
But it is by God's hand that the disease which killed the baby exists. Its death is not a natural event but a result of something He created.
Why would He create something with no purpose other than to kill?
>>745651199
How many times must you be told that death is not a bad thing before it gets through your thick fucking skull?
>>745650996
No I don't trust you. We are on /b for fucks sake.
Anyways all you said, in part down to the wording, are things I used to tell people and myself. It's a dogma at this point.
If he wants me to walk my way he should enable me to do so. I have waited years for that. It didn't happen anon.
And to be honest after I finally admitted to myself that I don't believe anymore I felt more free than I ever felt as a Christian. Because now after a so called "sin" I don't feel bad. I don't hate myself anymore. My self worth is up and my depression is down. Right now my life is better without god if he was ever there to begin with.
BTW I really appreciate this discussion. I hope you don't take my swearing the wrong way.
>>745650516
Matthew 19:14
But Jesus said, “Let the little children come to me and do not hinder them, for to such belongs the kingdom of heaven.”
1 Corinthians 2:9
But, as it is written, “What no eye has seen, nor ear heard, nor the heart of man imagined, what God has prepared for those who love him”—
>>745651134
I'm not an atheist.
But aside from that. If someone gave you a drug after which you could only feel happiness. Would that be a good thing for you? Does that sound nice?
>>745651373
There is more than one person talking to you. Idiot.
>>745651373
What of diseases that do not cause pain?
Babies can be born with conditions that cause them to experience horrible pain, they can be born with their legs paralyzed or their eyes unable to see.
Will you say that all of this is approved of by God?
But God is said to be infinitely good, so why would he do these things?
Is it that our understanding of what "good" means is completely separate from His? If so, how can we truly call him good at all?
*diseases that do not cause death, I mean
>>745642309
Y tho
>>745641254
Marty knew Biff was gonna steal the Grays Sports Almanac because everything was changed in the future so he went back to fix it. It's generally the same concept
>>745644398
Eve was created after man from Adam's rib while he slept.
>>745650988
God shat pure fucking fury and killed half his chosen peepz. You think one life matters to him.
>>745650886
Short bus to the pearly gates.
>>745651555
You're babbling again.
>>745651606
And more than one person unable to read "Death isn't a bad thing" apparently. You illiterate monkeys.
>>745651925
Suffering isn't inherently a bad thing either. In fact, suffering is a cornerstone of Christianity. Whether it's suffering actual physical pain or if it's very small amounts of suffering such as temperance or sacrificing your pride and such.
Again, you literally do not understand a single thing about what you're talking about.
>>745652363
Children cannot sin until they know what sin is.
The parents must teach their children what sin is.
>>745651925
And the God of all grace, who called you to his eternal glory in Christ, after you have suffered a little while, will himself restore you and make you strong, firm and steadfast.
I consider that our present sufferings are not worth comparing with the glory that will be revealed in us.
For our light and momentary troubles are achieving for us an eternal glory that far outweighs them all.
Whoever does not take up their cross and follow me is not worthy of me.
Put aside your atheism for two fucking seconds to gather a better understanding of the thing you're talking about.
>>745641254
"original sin", any sin, is just another word for obligation. the obligation you're born with is the one that requires you to work as soon as you're able. jesus' intended to get rid of that requirement but he failed and was killed instead.
>>745652433
Answer the god damn question. Because that is exactly what you are getting yourself into in heaven. Eternal bliss my ass. There is no light without shadow and no happiness without sadness.
Also how small is your penis that it makes you feel so good to tell others that they "don't understand" or are "illiterate monkeys"?
>>745641254
I love you.
>>745651454
I know we're on /b/, but I only frequent this board just to find these types of threads.
That's an interesting point, I'm happy that your life is better but if you don't mind me asking, what sins were you doing that caused you to feel bad? I've done some really bad stuff in the past and after 2 years I realized it wasn't worth it, since I achieved nothing but short term pleasure and my life was kind of in an awkward place. I won't tell you how you should live your life, if you're happier now and less depressed go for it but I'm just sharing my experience as I feel as though I was in the same boat as you but just woke up sooner.
>>745652531
Yeah sure that makes sense.
"Hey you know you can't sin and be condemned without knowing what sin is so LET ME TELL YOU REAL QUICK SO YOU TOO CAN GO TO HELL.
>>745652646
5.8 inches flaccid, 7.9 hard. But of course, you won't believe that.
>There is no light without shadow
That's called Hell.
And I did answer the question. Several times over. Hence me calling you an illiterate monkey. Do keep up.
>>745641254
GIVE ME THE SAUCE OF THE FUCKING GIF AND NO ONE GETS HURT
>>745652760
It makes perfect sense. It's very telling of you that you believe all humans to be inherently evil and destined for Hell though.
>>745652783
no one with a big dick counts in fractions. i imagine you added 3 or 4 inches to the real number.
>>745642230
Jesus was a time traveler he never actually resurrected
>>745641254
SAUUUCCCCEEEEEEE
>>745652783
Alright. I'm just gonna give you this last reply and then stop feeding you little troll. Hope your life will get better soon so you won't have to lie about your peepee anymore.
>>745652867
I don't actually. Just throwing around some thoughts /b/ro.
>>745641254
>I still don't understand the concept of Jesus dying for my sins.
>and we're all born with sin
The shit goes that supposedly jesus died and sacrificed himself so we would no long be born with and have to deal with all that original sin hoopla
>why even try to not be anything but a giant asshole if the bill has already been paid
Cause empathy, regret, guilt, hope, and love. That along with all the other spectrum of emotions which led us into a form of collectivism in which we protect and care for one another for the sake of survival. Since hell we as humans take care of our old and handicap. So taking care of each other the intelligence of humans managed to lets us acquire alot of wisdom which let our intelligence essentially create all the modern day electrical wizardry we have now.
So as humans taking care of each other and working together to live as long as possible to acquire as much wisdom as possible to pass on and then let our intelligence take advantage of creates a bigger boon for people in general than just being dicks and assholes to one another.
>>745652433
>>745652583
So in the end your response to this >>745643389
is simply, "death and suffering are not evil"?
>>745652726
Typical stuff. Nothing illegal by the law of man.
A lot of it in my head. Most of it actually. That's the worst you know? You simply can't stop that and I trusted Jesus to take care of it. Well, never happened.
Also for future reference, it's really not helping to be told to basically just power through it. When it's in your head it's really not easy. Maybe not even possible.
>>745652899
That's not a fraction. A fraction would be "5 and 4/5". If I didn't add the decimal place, then I'd naturally be rounding up to 6 and 8. Which would be intentionally lying to inflate my ego. The fact that you consider that the normal response is very telling.
>>745652946
>troll
Just because you lost the argument, doesn't make me a troll.
>triggered by my barely above average dick size
lmao
>>745653019
You assumed that the person who was informed about sin would go to Hell. How is that not assuming an inherent evil in people? Why didn't you say "I'm telling you so you can decide for yourself what you want to do" rather than "so you can go to Hell"?
>>745653048
No. That was my response to the guy talking about death and suffering. My answer to Epicurus, as has been the case since he uttered the questions, is simply "free will".
>>>745653019 (You)
>You assumed that the person who was informed about sin would go to Hell. How is that not assuming an inherent evil in people? Why didn't you say "I'm telling you so you can decide for yourself what you want to do" rather than "so you can go to Hell"?
Wow for someone so proud of his reading comprehension skills this should really embarrass you.
What I meant was that you implied that if parents don't tell their kids what sin is that there is no way for them to go to hell. So why the fuck would you tell them in the first place?
>>745651925
>But God is said to be infinitely good, so why would he do these things?
>Is it that our understanding of what "good" means is completely separate from His? If so, how can we truly call him good at all?
Free will basically. Since for starters god is against magic and shit supposedly which must mean that any "miracle" and what not must have had a natural origin of sort that work withing the laws of all nature.
So those 2 things combined we have free will. Which mean we supposedly have agency over our actions and what we choose to do. God is all powerful but he aint like magic and shit, else he be a hypocrite which could be but i would doubt, so then we as humans are able to choose what to do and what happens to us as a species. God can intervene in all that but its must be through natural law and order which then we as humans could possibly even choose to ignore. Like god could have grown a plant or a tree with cures to every sort of ailment. But we as humans must choose to find and make them.
So as to why god chooses to let that happens its just because humans have more agency that most religious people would like to admit. With the free will given to us we must choose to and do actions which lead to the getting rid of diseases, conditions, and what not which ail and hurt people and children.
So bad shit happens cause we allow it to keep on happening since we choose to focus on shit other than that. Simple as that. And again since we have free will it would contradict being given that by god supposedly if he were to just do some god magic shit to cure and do away with shit that ails those who choose to exercise free will in a way that does not deal with.
>>745653340
4/5 is .8 genius. fraction literally means not full amount.
holy shit you're dumb
>>745653227
Again it's difficult for me to understand a situation fully over the internet, so I apologize but just trying to give my humble thoughts.
>>745652184
I get that you want to stick with traditions which are sadly wrong.
But Genesis contains the story of the creation of mankind after which God Rests then goes on to tell the story of the creation of the Hebrew Ancestors. Sadly the first English translators called BOTH Adam and Eve instead of making the distinguishing name of mankind and womankind then Adam and Eve.
But in either case as I said above Cain was banished to the LAND of the PEOPLE of Nod and so obviously other people existed at the time of the Garden of Eden story. We are NOT all descended from just 2 humans.
Please feel free to view all my posts to this thread.
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>>745653648
>you implied
I didn't imply shit. You were talking to someone else. I was simply pointing out that your assumption that informing someone about sin leads to Hell was very telling of your own personality and thoughts.
As for the ignorance about sin thing:
>: “It is clear that not every kind of ignorance is the cause of a sin, but that alone which removes the knowledge which would prevent the sinful act. …This may happen on the part of the ignorance itself, because, to wit, this ignorance is voluntary, either directly, as when a man wishes of set purpose to be ignorant of certain things that he may sin the more freely; or indirectly, as when a man, through stress of work or other occupations, neglects to acquire the knowledge which would restrain him from sin. For such like negligence renders the ignorance itself voluntary and sinful, provided it be about matters one is *bound and able to know.”
I can get more stuff for you if you're still confused.
>>745653916
I'm aware. A mathematical fraction, like the one you were quite clearly referring to, has a numerator and a denominator though. Stop trying to save face, it's rather embarrassing.
>>745641254
if you don't understand it then why do you still fucking believe it?
Good or Evil
Wickedness or weakness
Genius or retard
Straight or gay
The point of everything was to love we are all sinners Jesus sinned before he was the Christ we all have the power to change. You have free will.
You can either leave this planet or die.
Legends say the day Lucifer was cast down from heaven on to earth during the age of reptualians...hmmm why was that nigga a snake?
>>745654176
.8 does have a numerator and a denominator, you fucking 'tard. it's just another way to write it.
>>745654287
>for buzzfeed
kill yourself right now
>>745654352
>it's just another way to write it
You've almost cracked the case here, Watson. Come on bud. You can do it! Think really really hard about why you're stupid. Good boy.
>>745654176
I didn't assume shit.
Lol u so dumb though
>>745654439
had to school you in fractions. your tiny penis must be affecting your mind you faggot.
>>745644179
Sorry but you're extrapolating or drawing from some sort of gnosticism way outside mainstream Christian theology.
anyways it's all bullshit in the end
>>745654287
No need for a religion if everyone's NOT a sinner, eh? That's not the nature of God, that's just the weak excuse that small minded Christians use.
We have some elements of choice, of course, but 'free will' as a philosophical concept is largely an illusion as well.
sauce: jamie and isabella in the bathroom
https://www.pornhub.com/view_video.php?viewkey=ph5747820abb81f
>>745641254
You're mixing apples and oranges. Whether people are born with sin is a completely separate issue.
Yes God's actuarial tables showed that there was a 100% chance that you were going to sin.
No you are not born with sin. All have sinned and come short of the glory of god, not "all have been born with sin".
>>745654056
No need to apologise. Like I said I really enjoyed the discussion. Thread is going to get rekt soon though I guess. So if you have anything left to say to me now would be the time.
>>745654492
This isn't even close to an argument. It's okay to be wrong. Just don't get all uppity about it.
>>745654522
>still obsessed with my barely above average dick
Why did that trigger you so bad? You got something to tell us anon?
If we don't sin, Jesus died for nothing
>>745654607
Your jewish privilege is showing. Check yourself.
>>745654711
I'm not a kike.
>>745650774
unbaptized children go to purgatory for a long ass time until they're finally allowed into Heaven
at least that's general Christian belief
some of the more extreme evangelicals believe unbaptized children go to hell
>>745654602
Not sure what I can say, my goal would be to guide you back on the path of our God but you seem to be set in stone with your decision so ultimately I'd suggest one day if you're bored, go to a Baptist church (not Catholic, they're based on wrong teachings) and just talk to the Pastor there and tell him exactly what you told me and maybe, just maybe he might be able to give you an answer as to what is happening and maybe it might help you. That's all I can say for now brother. Cheers.
>>745654537
Yep if given half a chance most of the men who wear funny hats while lying and saying they are Christians would crucify me.
I would be in very good company.
You see I am a Christian who trys to live by the teachings of Christ and no other.
I realize I have sinful thoughts and I do not deny it.
Nor do I teach things to try and steal money or limit entry in to heaven. It is up to God to judge each of us by OUR own heart not by the rules of arrogant men in funny hats.
You keep trying to close that door brother, Christ will kick it open again and again and again. (At least your not claiming to be a Christian like many of the liars in this thread props to you for that) Maybe one day you will walk through it?
>>745654996
Thanks bro. Appreciate it. Have a good day/night.
>>745654821
It was made up in the medieval era to reassure parents whose children were dying left and right that, OK yea sure, their dead unbaptized babies can kinda sorta go to heaven too, eventually.
Basically since you were born with sin due to the original sin infecting mankind so to speak, the debt had to be paid permanently for all your sins past present and future (all of which He knew beforehand) for you to be made pure by the blood of Jesus. Otherwise when you die and go to heaven you would infect heaven with your sins and it would look like inner city Ghettos more than a paradise. You don't want to intentionally be an asshole cause its basically slapping God in the face for giving you a way out from eternal hellfire if you do.
>>745654821
unbaptized children, children who are not circumcized or who have never been offered the choice of Christs good news go where ever God decides they should go.
Most likely in to his loving arms.
Folks who tell parents that their unbaptized child went to hell or purgatory? Will probably be very warm in the afterlife.
The gates were opened by Christ and YOU do not get to close them again.
I'm jumping late into this discussion but children who aren't baptized and die don't go to "hell" or purgatory, that's a false teaching made by the catholics back in the day for monetary gain. Catholic teachings like that and idolizing statues and shit is actually completely against the bible, the real denomination to choose from is the Baptist way, simple and by the book.
I'm amazed at how much cooler my imaginary friends are than your guys'. Shame.
>>745655974
Nah, Baptists take everything literally when even the ancient camel jockeys writing the holy books didn't mean it literally.
Catholicism was influenced by its cultural landscape in classical and medieval Europe. Much like Baptism is influenced by its American 20th century cultural landscape.
>>745654996
Unbelievable!
Please see this..
>>745655700
Being Catholic laity or baptist matters little.
The ones who will be judged harshly are the clergy who eat and drink the tithes and folks like you who try to slam shut the gates of Heaven.
Read the Golden Rule again.
Christ taught it, and you need to memorize it.
God is not likemen. Ignorance of the law IS an excuse. If you treat allmen as brother and do unto them as you would have them do unto you but have never heard the good news? I suspect you have a better chance at entering Gods Kingdom then the Pope does or any other liar behind a pulpit.
i dont understand the concept of atheism. why reject god if they believe in the big bang theory that will never be proven scientifically? being an atheist needs more faith than it does to believe in god
if i believe in a miracle/singularity such as the big bang, why not believe in god?
>>745656358
>the big bang is a miracle
>therefore u need to believe in God.
>aha check mate fedoras!!
>>745642478
You forgot that God is also omniscient so that means that he know everything that has/is/Will ever happen, yet he still allowed lucifer, Adam and eve, and all the wars/murder/raping all to "test" us even though he already knows what were going to do so that means..... God is an asshole
>>745656823
And that means free will is a lie
>>745656823
You don't understand omniscience. You're assuming time is a straight line.
>>745656358
So you believe in a magical being that made the earth and everything in it from 1 book of stories written by monks.
But do not believe in centuries of proven facts and intelligent theories about space, time and evolution. All of that doesn't make sense???
Dumb ameri-fag trump supporter.
>>745656823
Hard stuff to comprehend i agree.
But you have to understand the most basic lesson is this.
To be born to live and to die.
But yeah from OUR perspective and in our ignorance you would appear to be correct. So follow the Golden Rule and hopefully you will get to meet him one day and he will explain himself and his plan?
As I said I am not recruiting for Churches.
I am teaching what Christ taught and if you seek him? He will make himself known.
>>745657154
Reminder: The Big Bang Therory was proposed by a Catholic priest.
>>745656823
>>745656952
We're just assuming God is omniscient, what if he's amazingly powerful but due to free will can't perceive the decisions of mankind hence why he couldn't see Lucifer and Eve betraying him.
What if God is our one and all powerful God but he himself is one of many, after all, where did God come from?
If God can't perceive the decisions of mankind thus laying out rules in order to prevent things from happening, how come the bible speaks of future events? Is it sound to say that God himself control the time of events but these events can alter due to sin thus why Lucifer altered God's ultimate plan by tempting Eve?
These questions can't be answers, he works in very odd mysterious ways that we can't possibly comprehend, better not to judge the judge without knowing everything first.
>>745656823
How can un-deniable facts be outweighed by a bunch of made up stories.
>>745657225
Mind numbingly retarded.
>>745641254
Ok first of all;
Catholicism is retarded, Islam is retarded, Jesuits are retarded and most importantly, you're fucking retarded.
Second of all;
It's literally a bunch of shit written to help govern people back in the day. There's a reason religion is called the opiate for the masses, but you don't see them fucks who mainline Jesus and fall over on the church floor go to rehab.
Now I know you're talking about Jesus paying for our sins, but really, why try to understand something that's NOT supposed to make any coherent sense, whatsoever.
>>745657450
That's no way to speak about yourself.
>>745657225
You're an idiot, no priest would back a TV show that retarded and chock full of heretics.
>>745657562
How's the 4th grade, kiddo?
>>745657698
Wouldn't know. I'll ask your boyfriend.
>>745657802
Too old
>>745657154
>proven
the big bang theory is just that, a theory, it's not proven and it never will be
atheists have faith in a singularity called big bang they will never be able to prove, similar to god, yet reject the idea of a god completely
i wonder who the real idiot is
the simple fact of the matter is that christianity and other religions were literally invented because of the inescapable point of humans existing before religions ever did.
There's no way around that
>inb4 luCifEr proBZ FakED Da SkEleTons tO misDiReCt uz to Get MoR TrooPZ
Religion isn't violent, people are.
>>745648158
You're a fucking idiot. You might learn.
>>745658765
Faith isn't violent. Religion is.
In the Bible God says of Religion "It is the teachings and traditions of man that make void the word of God."
Many Popes have started wars.
Many Imam's have started Wars.
Certainly People ARE violent.
But People are the ones who get to choose peace. Religion never will.
(As evidenced by the idiot in this thread who tried to say Catholics< Baptists) Both have serious issues and I will choose to follow Christ not men behind pulpits or in funny hats.
>>745658636
>scientific theory: evidence through experiments to support an idea underlined with previous ideas as to what we will find based on a scientific models and laws established from previous knowledge acquired through the process of trial and error
>Theory as you think it is: based on nothing and blindly guessing
Pick one
>>745642230
Original sin is that Adam and Eve are from the tree of knowledge of good and evil... Not the killing of Jesus.
It's still retarded though.
>>745659120
Not the anon you replied to.
BUT
the·o·ry
ˈTHirē/
noun
noun: theory; plural noun: theories
a supposition or a system of ideas intended to explain something, especially one based on general principles independent of the thing to be explained.
"Darwin's theory of evolution"
synonyms: hypothesis
noun
1.
a coherent group of propositions formulated to explain a group of facts or phenomena in the natural world and repeatedly confirmed through experiment or observation:
the scientific theory of evolution.
But it would appear you need to fix the dictionary and then come and see us about what theory is defined as.
>>745659022
wrong. people are violent, religion isnt. violent people use religion as an excuse to do evil tasks. if religion itself was evil humans wouldn't exist anymore, considering less than 15% of people don't believe in a god.
saying religion is violent is like saying guns are bad. no they arent. guns dont kill people. people kill people.
>>745659272
Please see some of my posts here.
All of them have the image of the cross.
Adam and Eve did not EAT anything and their sin is not yours.
The only affect they had on mankind is we did not get to live in the Garden of Eden.
>>745641254
he died because it was illegal to claim to be the only son of god, we can do that now. christian means christ like.
>>745659456
I gave you the quote direct from the book.
And will additionally point out that the only time Christ became violent was in the Temple.
He whipped the merchants who sold false offerings and paid Bribes to the high priests to be allowed to continue to do so.
Christ would likely have become violent in five out of seven Churches today.
Hence why in Revelation 2 and 3 Seven Churches are described and only two (Smyrna and Philidelphi) find favor with God.
Faith is a personal thing
Religion is organized and most often leads people down the wrong path one of division and arrogance.
>>745654578
YOU ARE A GOD
>>745659383
dude you just confirmed what i said as I wrote right there to the other anon 'As YOU think it is' yet completely ignored that to copy paste from google? All you did was provide a different way of saying the same thing I already did you collossal retard
>topfuckingkek
>>745659565
No he died because he attacked the merchants in the temple and disagreed with many of the High Priests of the Temple.
Psalm 22
>>745659120
>evidence
what is this "evidence" you're talking about exactly? microwave radiation that is interpreted as the "echo" of the big fireball that started everything? the problem is that the universe itself is extremely clumpy. if this happened as a result of the big bang, the background radiation should also be clumpy. in other words the temp should be uneven, with hot spots and cold spots. however the radiation had been found to be so uniform, even secular scientists are saying the big bang idea is in trouble. the only unevenness that was found was a 30 millionths of a degree. nothing has been proven, deal with it.
>>745659857
what's so bad about that?
>>745659812
Nope a "Hypothesis" is defined as a guess I agree with the other Anon not you.
A theory is defined there for as a guess not as a fact. Facts are called Laws not theory.
Theory as I think it is blindly guessing.
>>745660132
I didn't say it was proven? that was the guy you were replying to that said that. I then replied you your response from that
>whydidtheyremoveids
He died for the sins of the father. Those are sins which become part of the culture and lessen over time. You have to admit that since antiquity we have become more civil in general. Maybe it's just time for him to be reborn and die again. If so as a Jew I feel obligated to help.
>>745660376
my bad
>>745659812
Oh sorry I see the confusion..
After the word Hypothesis. I pasted the scientific definition of Theory which is NOT in any dictionary and so can not be considered a fact. It is taught in many places but again until you fix the dictionary you are simply wrong.
>>745660438
uh...... more?
>>745641254
>the concept of Jesus dying for my sins
...is to instill guilt, which you will ease
by paying your tithe for redemption.
It's nothing personal, it's only business.
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