Drawthread: The true face of eeeevvviiiillll edition
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Only a fool would take anything posted here as fact.
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Drawthread:
The true face of eeeevvviiiillll edition
>Take or give request
>Interact or roleplay with others
>Threadly reminder that you can always git more gud
>Don't be afraid to try a request yourself
>New Drawfriends are ALWAYS desired
TOOLS:
https://www.systemax.jp/en/sai/ (PaintTool SAI, ¥5400, nearly all drawfags use it)
http://www.clipstudio.net/en (Clip Studio Paint Pro, $49.99, also sorta popular)
https://medibangpaint.com/en/ (MediaBang Paint, Freeware)
https://krita.org/ (Krita, Freeware)
http://firealpaca.com/en (Firealpaca, Freeware)
RESOURCES:
http://drawabox.com/ (Learn to Draw)
http://alexhays.com/loomis/ (Loomis)
If you don't know where to start, start with 'Fun With A Pencil'. Loomis is a meme for a reason.
FIGURES and REFERENCES:
http://www.quickposes.com/pages/random
http://www.artmodeltips.com/poses/
http://www.eggazyoutatsu.net/eng/atarichanDrawer.html
http://www.posemaniacs.com/
http://artprompts.org/ (Art Prompts)
TABLET:
https://www.reddit.com/r/stylus/wiki/index (List of Tablets)
Intuos Draw/Art (formerly Bamboo) is fairly cheap and solid ($64/$79 USD Amazon)
Ask a Drawfriend
Previous Thread:
>>713574353
Are boobs supposed to itch?
>>713591742
My boobs itch sometimes
>>713591742
Are we talking about normal boobs or man boobs?
>>713591608
>plebbit
>>713591836
>>713591791
i only really said it for the (You)s... sorry.
>ITS TIME
BEST 3 ARTFAGS
WORST 3 DRAWFAGS
>>713591791
All body parts itch at times, especially when you are trying hard to sleep.
I've scratched both my neck and eyebrow typing this.
>>713592012
Best
>Bawble
>Spermo
>Chrishop
Worst
>EHG/Pin
>DJ
>Trinket
>>713592100
>dubs of truth
>>713592012
Lowell
Helly
EHG
Honorable mentions: Sidhe, Pooj, Ire, Vic
>>713591424
>I'd love to see you in a sexy dom outfit with a sadistic look on your face
I might draw it but you gotta gib a ref.
>>713591591
>i'm lurking incase you need moral support bae
ew
>>713591618
>I dream about you at times. no homo.
ew ew
>>713592100
What kinds tastes are these?
>>713592215
>Ranking me in top 3 instead of Sidhe, Ire, or Vic
Niggah...get it together...
>>713591217
>Just go with it, if something blame me.
>As long as I have been on these threads I have not seen any drawfag being mad for making porn of them.
im gonna think about it
>>713591318
>Ehh
me
>>713591591
>thanks for the crits and redraw <3
>will do
hope you improve soon m8
>>713590065
sure why not ther you have it
>>713592287
>What kinds tastes are these?
its the taste of irony
any other request?
>>713592012
Best:
> EHG
> Pooj
> Voland
Worst
> every avatarfag without the skill to back it
>>713592287
>Niggah...get it together...
No u. But seriously, you didn't get that win based on art alone, though I'm sure you could be great if you applied yourself, but non the less I really enjoy you presence on thread, so it places you on the top.
Plus Pooj is fucking amazing fam, he just lacks a bit of ego to give his art that extra punch.
>>713592428
S-stop..
>>713592466
I still...just don't get it...
>>713592612
ehg gratest
Requesting Poof cumming a sticky load on oppai-loli Goldie Goldenglow's large tits. Bonus points if Goldie say something like, "Are my boobies too much for you?"
Are they gone?
>>713592428
> voland
> best 3
shit taste you faggot
>>713592818
Why don't you get that tablet and learn how to draw
>>713592818
You have to ave significant brain damage to find that pleasing. I don't wan you to go away, I just want you to get better.
>>713592342
Hello panda face how are you today?
also I got you a present
open it
Dom Bubble is weird. I wanna stick to being a sub. :c
>>713592612
>I still...just don't get it...
I think you just genuinely enjoy the media you live in and it shows. You borrow and morph from content you like and present the best facets of it to your audience.
This is in no way me criticizing you, I think it's a common feature in pretty much all successful artists.
But talent is no achievement in it self, you gotta polish that diamond if anyone's gonna start paying real money for it.
Not that you need to change though, it's all up to you.
>>713592826
what are (you) taking about?
>>713593254
THEM
>>713593136
Hello, Bubble. How are you?
>>713593136
Dom Bubble gives me life thanks
>>713593136
If you're more of a sub how about you in some bondage
>>713593122
sure i wann see what is inside
>>713592012
list 4 me be like
any request?
>>713593479
I'm alright! Just listening to some trash. How are you, anon?
>>713592287
o ho???
>>713593166
As such is the reason I'm locked to failure on every corner.
>>713593623
Pretty good. Also, check your DA!
>>713593666
a masterpiece
>>713593666
EEUUUGH.
get
>>713593961
EHG, are you saying to you like art???
>>713593773
12/10
>>713594177
>are you saying to you like art???
what does that even mean?
>>713594177
are you saying you like my art*
pardon my stroke
>>713593574
Its a new drawing tablet
hope (you) enjoy it panda face
>>713593574
How's the animatic going ?
>>713594330
Sidhe, why are you setting yourself up for hurt, you know EHG it too tsun to admit to anymore than he just did
>>713593511
Thanks anon~ :P
>>713593563
How's this?
>>713593733
Will do!
Hey ladies
>>713594330
You're as interesting as watching dirt mold but your grasp of anatomy and forms surpasses mine enough that I'd think of you as....beeeeetter...
>>713594664
>you know EHG it too tsun to admit to anymore than he just did
UUUGGHHH!!!
hello!
give me some cool requests, pls
>>713595064
You cutie~
>>713595149
here have this carrot
do whatever you want to do.
Requesting Kim Jong-Un watching television in his undies
>>713594916
Fantastic! Thanks!
>>713595149
show butt
>>713594418
thanks man, i actually really need a new one
>>713594491
its doing fine but i dont have in this computer rigth now
sorry
>>713595064
>>713595276
Pooj kinda masters color though, something neither of you do.
>>713594916
Requesting you being forced to deepthroat a cock while crying please
>>713595456
Dropped
>>713595456
why you tryna showhorn pooj in this
>>713595149
Draw your avatar dressed as Raiden from mgs.
>>713595496
Cause I would place him on the same level as Vic, Sidhe and Ire.
>>713595496
>>713595634
But it's all personal tastes, I still think Pooj is probably the most deserving of the four I listed, his learning curve is pretty strong too.
One to watch.
>>713595634
Pooj pls
>>713595774
faggot.
>>713592342
Thanks panda.
>>713593136
Do you have any art gallery with your art?
>>713595276
UGH.
>>713595456
>>713595485
>Pooj kinda masters color though
Yeah. Neh. Plus his forms are really sloppy. He has an extremely dynamic style though. Him and Sidhe should honestly rub dicks more. They could learn a lot from eachother.
>>713595634
>Vic
Nah.
>Sidhe
Is one Deviantart color tutorial away from being better than Pooj in every way.
Ire.
Nah.
>>713595880
Don't be mean pooj, I'm on your side
Can someone draw me a turtle? Please?
>>713595149
Carrot in your butt.
>>713593288
Requesting that tuba dino frotting with an anon.
Just the dino pls, leave out any of that tuba stuff.
>>713595407
fuck
just use some duct tape
>>713594916
Requesting you in a slutty dress saying something lewd
>>713595286
i think ill keep it for later ... hot is it going madha99er?
>>713595506
>
game was way too easy
>>713596104
naaah
>>713596301
Much obliged.
>>713594916
Draw your character begging me to be gentle while I lube up your butthole before destroying it.
>>713595407
>>713596066
>>713596145
>>713596266
Hi.
>>713596301
And a special hi for (You).
>>713596066
>Is one Deviantart color tutorial away
This is disrespectful and untrue, if coloring was so goddamn easy, why aren't more people just slapping it on?
Pooj's arts lacks a bit of self confidence and pow, but he is one of the few artists here who actually improve on a month to month basis, though Sidhe too has been picking up lately.
Vic and Ire are absolutely great, but I would call them rather stagnated, and the fact that they are not here much also makes them stick a bit more weakly with me.
>>713596301
Its giing pretty good today because I have no work for the rest of the week
feels fucking great
and I got my blood took at A&E yesterday
>>713596686
fuck forgot pic
>>713595371
>>713595893
you are welcom ma men
>>713596145
you got that one rigth man
>>713596511
oh helllo there
>>713596066
Might be underestimating how hard it is for me to wrap my brain around colors and color theory
>>713596874
Kenot OR
But nice one
>>713595476
Here you go!
>>713596040
I have a DA with a shitty username and an IG that's slightly more updated.
>>713596232
Coming right up~
>>713596383
I'm not good with butts but I can try ;v;
>>713596511
hello marshmallow kitten
>>713596911
Ye but will you touch dicks with pooj?
>>713596591
>This is disrespectful and untrue
It's not.
If you compare the both of them as wholes the only thing thats really different is the fact that Pooj colors and knows about line weight.
Most of the coloring techniques he uses can be seen in Deviantart/Tumblr tutorials. That's not so much as a measure of quality but a fact. Also learning about line weight is really simple and someone who has a history of studying drawing could pick up on it in about 20 minutes.
>but he is one of the few artists here who actually improve on a month to month basis
>but I would call them rather stagnated
This just seems like a difference between us. I don't really care about someone's artistic journey unless the conversation is specifically about that. I judge people based on the draws.
>>713596911
Just color things purple and then smash on some yellow/green shit and you'll be halfway there.
>>713597203
Dropped my shit.
>>713597197
>>713596911
yeh touch dicks with the homie.
A Sidhe who is better at colors, dynamic posing and lineart.
A Pooj who is better at solid forms and anatomy.
It's a win/win.
>>713597105
You look good with tears thanks
>>713596876
Hoi.
>>713597133
>marshmallow kitten
Did you just assume my species?
I'll let you know I identify as a skeleton dolphin banana Pringle bus.
And don't you forget it.
give cool, fun, or spooky req pls
>>713596301
L-looking cute today...
>>713597484
Spoopy worm please
>>713596511
Hello mr cat person , here's a cute lamb for ya
>>713597386
get back into the class room
>>713597105
/r/ your oc laying nude and unconscious on the ground while covered in cum. With empty tearfilled eyes.
>only if you are comfortable with drawing it
>>713596373
another one because it looks really cool.
>>713596686
you blood ... what? but yay ... free time is always nice!
>>713597492
always?!
requests?
>>713596100
>>713597053
yee thanx
>>713597610
>cat person
>gib lamb
You disgust me
>>713597197
>>713597279
buthe'ssuchaMEMER
>>713597628
nice pic mate
>>713597628
Hey!
Das cute!
>>713597568
any more?
>>713597610
Neat.
>>713597646
Nah thanks, I'm fine.
Free country.
>>713597628
>bim
im going to cry
please let me forget
>>713597484
>>713597628
>>713597702
>>713597903
GETASCANNER RRRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!
>>713597628
who is the one in the left?
>>713597903
Gureto
thank you
>>713597903
get a tablet
>>713597684
> you blood
I never said that
I said I got my blood took
I have no fucking clue how you got that wrong
Would one of you drawfags be willing to help out a depressedfag, I have no artistic talent but I want to see these on paper, also not sure how complex you guys will do but here they are - first one is a guy linked with cuffs to his monitor facing away, second is something like this: Hand extended, underwater, falling, faceless/blurred (possibly from a sun beam) angel reaching down from above. Any consideration is appreciated, thanks.
>>713597984
>SCANNER
Will you be kind enough to tell me the reason for getting one?
Im not an expert so a little info wont be bad
>>713597984
I totally thought this said
GETCANCER at first
>>713597628
>>713597815
Oh jeez thank you ;;
>>713597684
A-All the time.. yes...
>>713597714
He shares cats, i share lambs, deal with it.
>>713597984
I have one
but I cba bb
>>713598057
I had one and it broke
main reason I dont drawfag as much as I used to
>>713598051
will attempt
>>713598291
Forgot pic
>>713598137
>Will you be kind enough to tell me the reason for getting one?
You care enough about your drawings to show them.
So you should care enough about them to present them in a way that doesn't make them look like ass.
you can get a scanner for like ten bucks from literally ANY thrift store and it'll make your shit look better than some shaky dark cell phone picture.
>>713598294
>I have one
>but I cba bb
UUUGGGGGGGGGHHH!!!
>>713593288
>checked
You still around, m8?
>>713598442
I'm grinding Slowpoke eggs and lurking for now. I'll be on to do requests later, assuming we don't get raided by Tubavore and Scatfag.
Who the fuck
do i have to gun down in the streets
bringing me up
on my ONE DAY OFF.
>>713595485
>posting a /vp/ request i literally color-picked and THEN ALSO just moved the hue slider a bit as an example of my coloring
i s'pose
>>713595496
thats what i wanna know too, because only old niggas call me Pooj anymore
>>713598291
nah ... dont lie when its close to christmans!
>>713598093
was a typo ... your blood? makes more sense? doenst sound like something you do every day, right?
>when people light candles because christmas time and in your head you hear the sound of kindling a bonfire
no save for me ...
>>713598219
no problem
>>713598432
>UUUGGGGGGGGGHHH!!!
stop uggghhhing
you big ol baby
>>713598569
how do learn color pooj
i will teach you the blood magic of anatomy
>>713597984
Huh? Why am I there? No one wants my doody doodles in HD
Is that what it does? Cleaner lines?
>>713597105
Link me up to your DA!
>>713598680
oh shit, you really sucks at colors
>>713598680
Like this
>>713598680
>W-What is thos sorcery!???!?!?
>>713598123
Edit, didn't mean to say paper specifically, anything is fine
>>713598219
MORE
>>713598654
It just grinds my gears.
>>713598680
Oh you poor baby.
>>713598680
>>713598827
Looks better than mine.
>>713596232
How do you do lewd talk? :c
>>713597680
Kind of wanna attempt this before going to bed lol
>>713598701
awsome-hina.deviantart.com
My username's some shit I made as an ignorant child. Don't judge too hard pls ;-;
>>713599056
You never cease to amaze me with how sexy you are thanks babe
>>713598827
>>713598948
wake me up
>>713598845
he's memeing on me
this is what happens every time i try
>>713598982
I mean, sidhe isn't shit
>>713598948
wanna grind on eachother's gears?
;^)
>>713598051
attempted multiple times
sos fam
>>713599219
You have to one up his meme to establish dominance
>>713598948
H...have I discoreved a weak point?
Just doodling?
>>713598943
>MORE
Kk
>>713599219
You could put an eye out with those nipples
>>713599915
Ohhhh nice
Got any more?
IM ALMOST AT THE PLACE WHERE IM BUYING MY PUPPER. IM SO HYPED THAT IM BORDERLINE ANGRY
>>713600125
WHAT BREED?
>>713600125
Good
>>713600166
Also this
>>713599915
Your drawings of drawfags are so cute!
>>713600125
Yay pupper
Bumping for >>713592818
>>713600166
BAUSSIE
>>713600224
>>713600258
LOOK AT THIS LIL GUY
>>713599978
>Ohhhh nice
>Got any more?
Not yet!
>>713600323
!<3! <3 !<3 !<3! <!3 !<3!
>>713600337
Keep at it my dood! I'm looking forward to it!
>>713600125
put newspaper on the ground
it is going shit everywhere
>>713600668
put newspaper all over the thread
im finna shit everywhere
>>713599056
Still hoping for analpocalypse pic.
colors make me want to put bleach in my eyes
>>713600125
>>713600323
CONGRATS
>>713600668
This
>>713600727
Also this
>>713601052
same
>>713601052
Same
lowkey peaceful jojo request
>>713601052
same
>>713601052
>says he hates color
>infinitely better than me in every way
I really should sit down and actually learn how to draw.
>>713601203
oi
whachu doing over there?
>>713598827
Eh. He's not bad, but.. Maybe not the style everyone's looking for.
I like it.
>>713601188
>>713601376
And I like you <3
>>713591491
https://discord.gg/GzSfW
>>713599056
Going to sleep so soon?
Where do you live?
>>713601376
>>713600125
BEANS, GET THE DOG AND RUN
>>713601285
Same
>>713601301
W-waat nothing man, I'm just havin a swell time like errybody. it's coffee i swear.
>>713601387
crazy d got some nice pecs
good scolding josuke
>>713601456
>shilling your discord yet again
or are you just looking for (you)s?
>>713601052
>It still looks like ass
F-fuck
But you do what a lot of people do when they start coloring which is shading to the edge. That will flatten shit out. Remember the light cast on something also interacts with all the other things indirectly, so you'll get things like reflective light brightening up your shadows.
>>713601843
report him?
>>713601606
Funny enough, I was just about to tell her not to make the same mistake I did.
>>713601203
what are you looking at decaf?
>>713601785
oi
put it on the ground and turn around slowly
>>713601900
what do you think we're doing?
>>713601975
oh, ok I thought it was just me doing it
>>713601892
IM SORRY I NEVER LEARNED TO COLOR
>>713602023
Is this the modern art impression of the Emoji movie?
>>713601513
It's 2:16am here and I have to wake up for school at 5:30am lol
>>713602071
I can see that
>>713601975
>>713602010
300 members and rising B)
https://discord.gg/GzSfW
>>713602071
>Is this the modern art impression of the Emoji movie?
Gud post.
>>713602313
For what reason?
>>713602023
It's nicer when you learn early and take from your favorite artists.
I mean, I'm lacking in technique, but the concept is there. And I started from pixel art.
Come to think of it, I never thought well of the point-perspective method, besides for buildings, and even then I still just eyeball it fine. What do you think there is to gain from it? Just personally.
>>713602313
tf even is this discock
>>713602386
meme, dreams, porn, and screams
https://discord.gg/GzSfW
>>713601930
Anons, anons.
>>713601943
Anon pls, don't make me do this, I'm so close to my goal.
>>713598680
>>713601052
>>713599219
fr fr?
dont shade with similar colors as much.
using dull colors makes your image dull. even if you just wanna color a guy with his arms crossed looking at the camera, using deeper and more vibrant color variations makes a huge difference
shade with colors that are not just the base color multiplied
also dont be afraid of harder edges when you color, especially when doing highlights/lighting of any kind. not everything looks better blended.
and finally
never EVER
E V E R forget
that im gay
>>713598982
in terms of color, it actually doesn't.
>>713602643
OI?!
DID I S...S..STUTTER HUH?!?
https://discord.gg/GzSfW
>>713602125
>>713602350
This appreciation feels neat.
You're both neat.
>>713603013
Which drawfags are there already?
>>713602650
I don't get dull or vibrant colors though, like what does that mean
does that just come with practice?
>>713602350
>Emoji movie?
WHICH???
>>713601892
>>713602023
values =/= colors
are you even trying
>>713603091
Our great teacher Lowell taught us, you either shade with a slightly desaturated navy blue in multiply layer, or you use warm shadow/cool highlights, or cool shadows/warm highlights.
Basically you wanna find your different values by moving diagonally in the color spectrum and not just vertically.
>Can get almost any pokemon I want with shitty cloned dittos
>>713603226
Wait till he...COMBINES THEM..
>>713603079
marc, zander, mello, doot, turtle, poka, speedy, and a couple others i think. ehg said he would come if i get martin shkreli in the discord, so thats a possibility as well.
http://volt-plasma.deviantart.com/
>>713603561
>speedy
ick, no.
>>713603533
FUCK
>>713603655
https://discord.gg/GzSfW
>>713602071
>the Emoji movie?
Whiiiiiiichhhhhhh?????
>>713602887
...
Fien anon.
...
But I will get that treasure, earl..
>>713603608
>hello, my name is anon, i put on a contrarian, sarcastic personality when i go on 4chan, my words mean nothing
https://discord.gg/GzSfW
>>713604035
>hello, my name is speedy, I shit up threads constanly with my autism and repeat requests for toddlercon
>>713603995
...
need help?
>>713604099
>my name is speedy, if i do that on this discord server, im going to get banned
>>713604099
>tfw anon is sperging infinitely harder than Speedy to prove Speedy is a sperg.
Don't create problems where there are none.
>>713604035
shit gun mod discrod kys fam
>>713604263
>someone has an opinion I don't agree with
>"Wow look at this guy sperging!"
Please.
>>713604263
fight fire with fire=fight autism with autism?
[autism speaks logo]
https://discord.gg/GzSfW
>>713603927
Is it a meme?
>>713604323
no u syk faget xd
https://discord.gg/GzSfW
>>713591491
Draw me
>>713603995
> treasure
can I join the adventure for it?
i have a map
>>713603893
Wait how did you get a skin? On the client
>>713604349
>"Wow look at this guy sperging!"
You pretty much are, Speedy posted his request once and left, you are sperging out over him merely being in a chat room.
>>713604349
>continues to sperg after he has been called out to attempt damage control
>>713604439
Your hair is beautiful
Also they have threads for that on /soc/ where it's a bit more likely to actually get done for you
>>713604452
betterdiscord.
https://discord.gg/GzSfW
>>713604522
Oh thanks. And it says the link is invalid
>>713604439
You are the second most beautiful man I have ever laid eyes on
>>713604587
https://discord.gg/wa8W2JM
try this one
>>713592100
This is bait, Bawble in top 3? what the fuck is wrong with you.
>>713604135
Take this spoon. Wer gonna handle this baggie..
>>713604447
I have the Earl right here, we just need the secret to his treasure.
>>713604860
>This is bait, Bawble in top 3
Implying she doesn't blow the other two the fuck out.
Ofc it's bait.
>>713604710
I needed that.
>>713604973
Your welcome.
>>713604739
Im in ty
shoot mee...
>>713604439
Put a fukkin shirt on.
>>713605239
whats your name? imma give you perms
>>713604903
ok
how about we put him in a bag and slowly lower him into a pot of boiling hot water each time he doesn't tell the secret
>>713605317
I joined but how does this work? I'm new to Discord
>>713605317
Ohmahrie.
>>713591491
Can you draw something really cool with this stuff?
-A Coconut
-Judas (Bible)
-JoJo's Style
Yeah, I really like coconuts
>>713604962
>Implying she doesn't blow the other two the fuck out.
I don't get it.
>>713605546
simple, tell me your name and ill message you on there and give you a little tutorial
>>713605609
And you never will, just like pussy.
Hello there, I have a request.
A cute Turtle that is wearing a Christmas hat and has a face like WW3 is beginning and him not giving a single fuck =^]
>>713605676
Hey man that was insulting...
>>713605707
Please credit yourself or just post your deviantart account or something so I can credit you
>>713605307
>>713604439
The second most beautiful man in the world.
>>713605765
>gives a hug and a free sweet potato
>>713605765
I thought it was funny, I'm sorry you got upset.
>>713605908
Thank you?
>>713605951
I am gonna write an angry letter to your mother about this...
>>713605271
Fair request.
>>713605464
U. Could b on to something there. Wat if he dies?
>>713606063
She won't take it from you, just like she won't take your dick.
Aaaaayyy, lmao.
>>713606111
ok, don't shoot me, pls.
>>713606063
No problem buddy, don't forget to cook it before eating it c:
>>713606319
you have a roomie?
>>713606319
Do you use a tool for the straight lines or just freehand them that well?
Whaddup
>>713606180
>implying I would want to fuck your old walking corpse of a mother.
>>713606314
Okay!
Does Trinket hang around anywhere outside these threads?
>>713606319
Looking really well done, impressively fast too.
You do comics or comic strip style pics sometimes? The style totally fits for it.
>>713606508
>Insulting people who are not even present
Bruh... Apologize to my mother.
He's so sleepy
>>713606555
You wasted those poor trips...
>>713606494
i love you
>>713606643
I didn't, Trinket is trips worthy.
>>713606111
we would revive him Frankenstein style
>>713606631
How can I apologize to someone who isn't here?
Guys, I need a turtle with a Christmas hat and a 4chan logo on his shell
I'll pay you with sweet potato debit card
https://discord.gg/wa8W2JM
>>713606633
Name of doggo?
>>713606860
>MEME WARRIORS
>mfw
>>713601840
Crazy d has a better butt
>>713596266
A pooping giantess over a city pls
>>713606633
What's the lil mut gonna be called.
I'm afraid my boobs might be uneven ,would you guys mind checking?
>>713606928
>>713607246
Fenrir
>>713606704
O-oh
>>713607267
Yeah man, go ahead
Post your Moobs
>>713606214
Hhhhhhhh..
>>713606319
Nice.
>>713606494
Neat.
>>713606727
How do we hurt a Frankenstein?
>>713607359
Cute dog.
