Hey everyone, 26 year old hopeless alcoholic here. I drink daily and when I don't I withdraw, I've tried detoxing a few times this month with no avail. When I do I get the shakes, heart palpitations, cold / hot sweats, insomnia, sever anxiety / depression, the whole 9.
I recently have come into self harm as well. Cutting my arms up and what not ... I've never done this before until now.
I don't know if I'll defeat this or how long I have left , I'd just like to talk to some like minded people if there are any on here. Thank you
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i've been drinking near-on daily for maybe 15 years now.
usually only 3-4 pints of lager, but between a half and full bottle of vodka.
back in college i would drink a litre of vodka before going out just to show off, my tolerance was pretty high as i'd been drinking in bars since I was 13 as was a good guitarist so was always in bands with much older guys.
i'd ameliorate it with speed or cocaine to keep me going.
once i left college I was heavy into ecstasy and coke for about 5 years, then started to experience problems from the drug use so i cut it down and only really drank lager and vodka/mixer in bars.
then coke started to creep back in in my mid-20s.
by the time I was pushing 30 I couldn't really function musically without 2-3 beers in me as i'd been drinking while playing gigs for almost 20 years.
i'd get tired off beer so i started to drink vodka mixed with energy drinks.
for the last 10 years or so i've been drinking vodka mixed with energy drinks not only most evenings to help me keep going, but during the days as I find it hard to find energy to work (self-employed all my life).
a run of bad luck didn't help and now I drink up to a full bottle of vodka every day, although i've recently cut this down to every second day.
although I've put on weight for the sugar in the energy drinks, i have never had withdrawal symptoms, shakes or anything else.
i guess it comes down to your physical and mental makeup.
i got very fit briefly from about 32-35, surfing almost daily and started in on the weed again due to the culture, but i'd always bring a few beers and my vodka to keep me going.
i'll try to answer any questions you have, but I don't really see it as a problem for me.
the only problem is I want to lose the weight and don't have time to get fit as I am still working my way out of the bad luck situation.
so i keep saying I will do it "one more day" and then i'll give up, but then I don't, I have stopped for up to 2 weeks, always restart.
>>711675338
u gotta stop man. drinking heavily everyday is so bad for you my friends have developed serious kidney/liver/stomach problems from that shit. substitute it for another drug, like opiates for a week or 2 then get off the opiates, or replace them with something else. youre not going to be able to go cold turkey, but atleast opiates will get rid of the emotional pain/whatever the fuck youre dealing with more effectively than alcohol. alcohol is a shit tier drug anyway.
I used to drink daily, starting when I woke up. I went to an outpatient treatment that was i think 3 hours a day for 2 weeks, then AA meetings.
All you really need are AA meetings but having the treatment was a huge help.
I've been sober now a long time.
>>711675338
go get help bro.
I dont want you to die.
Im going through heroin withdrawals right now, 3rd day. because i couldnt stand to see myself like that for the rest of my life, time waits for no one.
You have to slowly stop. Start having a few less drinks each day. Start doing something like exercise to keep you occupied and to keep your mind off it. I used to drink everyday and smoke weed everyday and over the last 8 months i have been easing off both slowly and am now 2 months clean. Didnt go to any AA shit. I know its hard to find the will power to do it but when you are clean you will wonder why you didnt do ot sooner
>>711675338
If you decide to really stop, just know that the pain of the withdrawals and all of the symptoms that come with are only temporary. It might take a couple/few weeks to starts to feel normal again but it is well worth it. One of these days soon, I'm also going to stop. Stay strong Anon.
Be careful guys start by scaling back as kicking heavy alcohol use abruptly can kill you. They literally have bottles of hard liquor in emergency rooms for people that show up with heavy withdrawal
>>711676985
How much was your outpatient treatment... I have no healthcare
>cold / hot sweats, insomnia, sever anxiety / depression
i have all this and i dont even drink or do drugs, step ur game up son
>>711676889
I agree with Anon, slamming Heroin is a great way to stop drinking.
Don't think you have to use AA to succeed at getting sober, it might work for some but there are other rehabilitation programs you can use. Look into Rational Recovery, it worked much better than AA did for me at least.
I have no way of getting to AA as I was in a car crash that nearly took my life about a year ago (12 days in hospital) so wtf do I do? I have no transportation ... I can't get to these services
>>711677360
oh uhhh it was a long time ago but I think it was $500....they do sliding scale and take payments, or at least the place I went did
It's not 100% necessary to go to treatment or anything....but it really helped me
you have to shop around...my college recommended the place
>>711675338
Taper off, genius. Get a medical guy if you can't
>>711677223
and into suicide methods list it goes
I am my 3rd day of no sleep because I get to the point where I can't drink. So I going to start tapering with beer. Then a benzo when I can't handle my head. I know how you feel anon
>>711677655
opiates ≠ injecting herion
checked btw
This fucking thread again.. I drank a good 15 to 25 measured drinks a day for 10+ years. Mostly I drank vodka. When I quit. I just cut down to 6 drinks at night for a couple of days and then quit all together. No shakes no withdrawals. Seriously you fuckers must be 17 year olds making up shit.
>>711675338
Go to a doctor, therapy, get something in life that you love more than substance abuse. It's hard but doable. Or keep making excuses and fizzle out as a ruin. Your choice.
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>>711678706
This.
It's hard to quit, but this isn't near a rough amount yet. Don't get me wrong, your organs are dying and youre increasing your risk of heart attack by drinking this much, but you should still be fine basically going cold turkey. Dangerous Alcohol withdrawals peak about 48 days after your last drink and taper just as quickly.
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>>711679488
Dangerous Alcohol withdrawals peak 48 days ??? lols what?? 48 hours you mean?
>>711680271
Haahahha just noticed that
>>711679532
I've been through it. And what we have in this thread is a whole lot of little bitches. fucking millennial bitches .
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>>711680642
I don't get it
>>711675338
man up.
Yo OP. You sound like you're in a desperate spot so I'm going to give you advice on what helped me. I'm 21 and i was falling in the whole alcohol addiction. Was going to classes drunk and my grades were fucked as a result. Dude I dropped some acid a couple of times and I'm good now. I'll drink maybe a couple times a month now when I go to the club or bar with friends but never drink alone. Dude get yourself some clean LSD. It's such an amazing substance. You will have a spiritual experience and it may very well help you get your shit together. You don't overdose but I caution make sure you get clean acid not some research chemicals. Do your research. Also magic mushrooms would do the trick and would be easier to find on the corner. Give it a shot dude
i quitted drinking after i almost bled to death for going muay thai style on some windows and glasses. I used to start drinking in the morning, did it for three years , i cutted and burned myself up. good times.
But it's not worth it, just quit drinking. Be really hard on yourself, be a fucking man
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Good bye thread
life is boring without drink/drugs
hi gail.
>>711680271
Lol, oops I wrote two days, but went back and tried to be more specific.
>>711675338
I feel ya /b/ro.
I have 6 minutes before the liquor store opens so I'll keep this short.
I'm 50, been drinking hard since 15.
Six years ago I went for 5 years without drinking by getting into yoga, tantra and shit. Then my gf got murdered. I started drinking again a year ago, and I don't know if I can ever stop again. I want to, but I also want to drink! Speaking of, it's about time to hit that liquor store.
I'll report back after getting myself well, if you know what I mean, fellow sick fucker.
>>711678706
>measured drinks
Assumes any of us in here measure our drinks or our drinking
>>711678706
>this thread is dildos
What kind of dildos?
Dragon dildos?
Day off work today, gotta take my holidays as I don't get paid for them.
Been shit faced since Fri night.
Fuck life.
>>711684659
I'm back.
/b/oy, this thread is sure af dead!
>ded thred is ded
Guess I'll just drink some more and shitpost in other threads until I get banned again (almost a daily occurrence now; I don't like to follow rules).
>>711686729
The only answer is to, obviously, drink more, and turn it into a bigger problem.
>>711675338
Check out sober grid, app like AA if you think you can taper off on your own by a drink every two days. Get some candy, ice cream, ginger ales and bang out a shit load of water and take a med for sleep: 50mg of benedryl at 8pm so you fall out and dont stay up shredding. Multivitamin with thiamine.
If you cant slow down, go to inpateint regad, or er and tell you need help, detox over a few shitty days.
Good luck man, i did it last year. Best choice i ever made.
>>711675338
If you don't stop now, it will only get harder to. Eventually, you will die a painful death. You should either seek help or kill yourself, to go on suffering is retarded.
http://www.sobergridapp.com/
>>711677360
Dude, if you're in the US, don't pay for outpatient treatment.
If you need to detox, go to the ER and let them refer you to a clinic and you can deal with the bill later.
Then go to AA.
Outpatient alcohol clinics are usually just full of people satisfying DWI-inspired court orders and no one actually wants to be there.
>>711678155
How far is the nearest AA meeting?
How do you get groceries and shit?
>>711686992
Too much like AA for me.
AA is what drove me back to drinking.
I don't believe in the 'disease' concept, nor am I interested in a 'higher power'. I just don't see how a bunch of fuckers who think they are actually ill with some kind of 'disease' can help me at all!
>not OP, btw
Thanks 4 the link tho, anon
>>711678528
Benzos are so nice
>>711675338
Way to be a weak chemical-dependent drain on society. Get your ass on the other side of the wall.
>>711681229
Did you trip alone?
>>711675338
>Was like this 110%.
>Violent internal shakes even.
>4oz minimum at 7am, noob and 5pm to keep from being fucked up.
>Drank to keep from killing myself over losing her.
>Got ketamine therapy so I wouldn't an hero.
>Fucking alcoholism withdrawal gone after the 45 min session.
>Two days later get another 45 min session.
>Never had alcohol problems again. >Causal drinker now.
>Can't tell the doctor because I had to lie about drinking to get the therapy to stay alive.
>Know cure for a deadly disease
>>711678412
kek
>>711687442
Tear down the walls, nigger!
Wall-building is how I got here in the first place!
>btw, I think OP passed out awhile ago.
OP? Are you ded?
>>711687383
My problem is socializing. People who I know of that cleaned up and stopped drinking/drugging, all had a girlfriend or wife or kids.
I'm 30, the few people I know all do blow and drink. If I cut them out of my life, which I have done, I am left sitting alone at home, which I am (for about 45 days now).
>>711687598
Where can I get ketamine therapy and how much $?
>>711675338
do you remember why or how you started drinking daily?
>>711687598
What did you tell the doctor to get ketamine therapy?
>>711687697
>People who I know of that cleaned up and stopped drinking/drugging, all had a girlfriend or wife or kids
Yah. I had all that. Then I started drinking again...
>>711675338
Quit bullshitting. It's time to cut back. Don't be a fucking pussy and just cut the fuck back. Even if it sucks it's better than relying on a crutch. I used to be in the same boat but after I kicked my ass along with others kicking it for me I got out of that hole and started living again. Just drink a little less each week. You can do this.
>>711687697
I know the feeling.
It seems my only social interaction is with the old Korean lady who owns the liquor store.
>>711687764
Atlanta, New York and Ft. Worth
It's roughly $1200 for the sessions. 2-3 45min long sessions, be gone a week wherever you find it
A Psychiatrist and a anesthesiologist do it outpatient in a dentist office like environment.
since you don't have health insurance, and can't get into inpatient or outpatient treatment I suggest trying out AA meetings, going at least once a day. try and share, and reach out for help. It sucks, but it helped me stay sober. if all else fails, i suggest a halfway house. goodluck brother
>>711688176
Thanks for the positive feedback.
>not OP, btw.
>also, edgelord, you are getting dangerously close to breaking Global Rule 15! I've been b& more times than I can count for shitposting Chickun, etc.
Still, you're alright in my book and I'm sure the mods are asleep anyway!
Arise Chickun!
>>711688688
Shit!
I can stay drunk for a lot less money!
>>711688688
Is 3 "enough"?
>>711687809
Sad, really goddamned sad.
Want to stop existing.
Burden to others.
Medicines helped before but no longer.
Really having a hard time dealing with suicidal ideation. It's a all day thought.
Don't want to hurt family.
Can't see how life is going to get better.
Feel like a failure.
Gf gone now too, making it worse than ever.
Been researching this treatment for years.
Finally found it.
It's fucking available in some countries like a goddamn epipen.
The lies....
Don't use drugs at all, have in past.
Drink socially, maybe 2 or 3 on a weekend night.
Prefer a red wine or craft beer to liquor.
>>711688082
That's rough.
I'm all sorts of fucked up.
When I'm in a relationship I hate it (except for sex), and then when I'm single, I am even more suicidal.
>>711689104
How does it work?
I don't want to google it, I want your experience.
>>711688997
Yes, it'll cure suicidal ideation for about a year.
Alcoholism, indefinitely.... Unless you decided to get addicted again a few years down the road. Then repeat I guess.
be a happy drunk
nobody likes a sad drunk
>>711688688
Rich people suck.
Wimps.
Can't even cold turkey right!
Too cowardly to have a memorable experience like withdrawals.
I know a rich heroin junkie that, for $10,000, gets his blood changed out completely so he doesn't have to go through withdrawals when he has to clean up. He does this a minimum of 3 times per year. I, on the other hand, did cold turkey, and I have never forgotten. Lesson learned. Never went back. Been 31 years since I last used.
>>711676541
>go cold turkey xd
>>711689483
Poor people suck too jusayin
>>711689289
You get it pushed IV for 45 minutes in a dark room. You're in a comfy chair or similar. You feel stoned, not that strong. Blood pressure is checked automatically frequently because it will cause it to rise. You drift and feel a little bit more trippy. Then you melt and are gone. It's a heavy trip where you feel like you are understanding the universe. Then it's over, the medicine stops and you snap out of it. After 30 mins of chilling (post ketamine) you are driven to your hotel. Hungover for a solid day. Anxiety is pretty fucking bad. Things are oddly humorous and you can t feel sad anymore. That lasts a month or so. No sads for several months. Get them gradually... Schedule the next session.
>>711689292
Can I just get some Ketamine on the street for cheaper and just cure myself?
Just wondering, cos the price of therapy sounds prohibitive!
Also, I have found that psychedelics really help, for quite awhile! Thinking of tripping again on some LSD and DMT. It seemed to work for me once before for several years!
I got like that for quite a while. I didn't cut myself like a faggot, but I did start getting shakes and shit if I didn't get a few drinks in me. Weed helped a lot when I finally decided I wanted to quit drinking so much.
It just got to be too much after a while, I couldn't even go to work without dumping a couple shots of whiskey in some coffee and taking it with me. That shit almost cost me my job on a couple different occasions, luckily I was able to bullshit my way out of getting caught. I still ended up losing that job though because I was more worried about drinking than I was anything else.
>>711689786
This is true.
>poorfag reporting in to say I SUCK!
Suckin' down dem brews, amirite /b/ros!?!!
>>711689483
I have a piece of paper exempting me from the penalty for not having insurance because my job doesn't offer it and I can't afford it. Medicare in my state won't give me benefits. I pay for everything, meds and doctors, with cash. I make less than $12k per year. If I didn't save $1200... I'd be dead. I'd rather be rich more than anything. It's a superpower, money.
One of the many reasons I should choose not to drink...
>pic related
>>711689887
If you bought a testing kit you might be able to. I looked into it and if I can't get the funds ever, I'll go that route. But street k is generally not ketamine. There may be traces but it's usually either a bad mix of tranquilizers or trash. But if you could test it you'd know.
Ketamine
IV push machine
Blood pressure monitor
Blood pressure meds
Handler to monitor the BP and administer the meds when yours goes deadly high
You'll have to Google the amount of ketamine over a 45min period.... I can't remember at the moment.
>>711691136
Are you me?
>>711675338
25 here, been drinking for about two or three years, maybe longer. Am out of beers at the moment. Anxiety is sky high. Cannabis helps a bit, but it's easy to fall into a deep depression if you don't reduce your intake slowly.
>>711691462
I may be. And if I am, you need to get your shit together. Focus on close friends, make some money, worry less, fear seldom and enjoy wtf ever this consciousness is. And don't put too much in your partners. People come and people go.
>>711691614
Good advice we should all live by.
Thanks, anon.
If these threads were less depressing more alcoholic anons would be attracted to them, and might actually learn something out of them.
>alas, they are very depressing.
Lighten up /b/ros!
Have a drink!
Oh wait...
>>711691759
Thank you. And pass it along. Life's tough.
So it goes...
>>711692002
That's kind of the cool part. I can do that now and enjoy it.
Ketamine, fucking amazing.
Will pic related help with my alcohol problem?
>>711692331
No, but it is helping with mine!
>>711692207
>Ketamine, fucking amazing.
Tell us about your personal experience.
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>>711675338
I literally just beat it anon, felt impossible but after 1 month im starting to feel normal again.
My doctor gave me 3 10mg of diazepam a day for the first week, 3 5mg for the second week and the last 2 weeks i have been on 3 2mg a day.
I know its risky swapping out one drug for another but it worked for me, let me sleep, eat and stopped the shakes. It really helps to have someone hold the pills for you though or youll take all 3 at once. Good luck /b/ro
>25 by the way, been 10 years thought id never quit....
>>711678706
>not knowing withdrawal is different for everyone
>>711675338
if i can get off of ghb you can get of alc believe me
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drinking every other day for several years now.. this shit is probably gonna be the reason i drop out of college.. fuck, don't know what to do
My life feels all kinds of fucked up from drinking everyday for the past 2-3 years. I want to stop but havnt suffered withdrawal yet so I am scared of even trying. I tell myself this is the week I might ween down. I cant suddenly quit and its embarassing to visit liquor stores. I drink more trying to erase myself.
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Bro. There's nothing wrong with drinking everyday. You're simply drinking *too much* - slow your roll, and make yourself drink less. Also, take multi-vitamins and mega dose Vitamin C to reduce the existing damage. Drinking some goddamn water for a change wouldn't be a bad idea either. You can do it.
>>711687367
People from aa will pick you up, I do it all the time
>>711698349
I'm addicted. There is no middle ground
>>711698685
Yea /thread, there is no middle ground
>>711698349
the main reason withdrawals are so bad is because of dehydration. after getting off a year-long bender, I'd be fuckin wrecked and have to ween myself. then i'd start up again but i was chugging water with every drink. now i'm off another year long bender and the only thing I'm dealing with is the anxiety and depression but i can handle that shit.
>>711698685
find a new addiction. switch up your lifestyle. don't fall into the same routines that got you addicted in the first place. also, man the fuck up.
>>711675338
Sounds like you need to reduce your daily intake very, very gradually. Like going from your normal dose to nothing over the course of a year.
Sounds like you'll need a lot of patience.
I'd recommend switching to pot. Less harmful and its medicinal qualities should help with withdrawals.
>>711699282
I understand these things, but I have been on drugs for 10 years straight with a total of 5 months being sober added up.
I still function fine and feel great most the time, but I know I will die early.
>>711699379
nothing's more important than your health. you might die early, sure, but think about all the complications with health you have to deal with leading up to your death. in my opinion, that shit's worse than death and not worth drugs and alcohol.
>>711699632
Nah that doesnt make sense.
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>>711699855
if you really wanna get sober one day, it's better to start early. cuz one day, when you're sitting around sober as fuck, dealing with numerous amounts of health problems, you're going to regret doing drugs for so long. nothing's worse than being sober and dealing with health problems caused by long-term drug and alcohol addiction.
>>711698475
But AA sucks!
I don't want to see any of them, and I hate their fucking 'program'.
>not that mine is working out so fantastically, but the point still stands.
>>711700295
I hate the program too. Havnt gone for a while. I might go and hopefully make friends or at least be able to vent my own concerns. I think the program itself is bullshit.
>>711699379
>but I know I will die early
Nah. You only wish.
I thought that too, at one time. Now I am more than half a century older, and I know that is bullshit. Kinda wish I hadn't wasted so many decades thinking I was gonna die any minute! No such luck. Only the good die young.
>>711700295
Yea I won't argue that it dosent suck but it works so what can you do? I couldn't get sober no matter how hard or many ways I tried so after 9 years I figured I'd give it 6 months. Shit works so I'm still here
>>711675338
ro ned nå, dette ordner seg mr F
I cannot believe this thread is still up!
These threads usually die pretty quick.
I guess I'll bump it a bit more while having me a little drinky stinky!
On a different note:
pic related seemed like a really good idea at the time too!
>>711700586
AA works for some, but not most (something like 85% go back to drinking).
I've been through outpatient programs and AA, but the real issue is you need to treat whatever it is that makes you want to feel numb instead of experiencing thing normally. (If you say "boredom," that's really just anxiety from alcohol withdrawal -- there's a deeper, root cause somewhere. Maybe loneliness?).
Get your fundamental issues treated by a therapist which may include relaxation techniques, and you'll find you don't need alcohol to feel calm anymore.
>>711675338
Stop drinking or kill yourself.
We're not here to throw a pity party to console you and your poor decisions. Maybe life wouldn't be so bad if you weren't such a degenerate.
>>711701012
I mean no argument here, if you can stop without aa fucking do it because it's a tough program. I will point out that those stats are funny because almost everyone relapses at least once so it's hard to quantify success and the question becomes do they come back into the program or what. I will say if I stay sober for 5 years then it was successful for me. Aa is truly for people who have tried everything and not met with success, if you're not in that category then don't do it because you won't be desperate enough to make it work. It worked for me though so I thought I'd mention but it is a suckyprogram that just so happens to work
>>711700586
Yeah, but I gave it 5 years.
I don't think 6 months is enough to know.
You are still in the honeymoon phase.
Wait until you go through a major life disaster, like your gf being murdered. Then see how much that cesspool is really there for you! No one is there except for themselves. Period. They even say it, "This is a Selfish Program". They are not there to help others, and as a result, they cannot help themselves. I help more people every fucking day by shitposting on 4chan than they have ever helped in a lifetime.
>mfw this is actually true
>>711675338
Just some points from a health professional:
Unlike some withdrawals, alcohol withdrawal can cause seizures and actually kill you without the proper medication - trying to quit by yourself, "cold turkey," is stupid.
Also, the problem is addiction, not alcohol - people don't get "cured" of addiction. AA isn't a cure, it's a tool to help you cope. If you're prone to addiction, you will be prone to other addictions and prone to relapses.
>>711701528
Lol no you're beyond right, I fucking hate aa people. They're literally a bunch of drama loving bitches but that shit is keeping me clean now. Not them but working on myself through they're program. As soon as it dosent work tho I'll fo right back to tue needle and the bottle but till them I'm in it for the long haul. Plus those people can be beyond self righteous to a cross addicted junkie like me but fuck em, don't really what they think as long as I get too use their program. Sorry for your loss man, sorry the rooms let you down /b/rother
>>711701352
AA "works" in the same way placebo pills work for some. AA though is based on faith healing and 1930's pop psychology, which may have been the best known treatment back then, but we've learned a lot about addiction psychology and physiology since then (also that praying to God to cure you of your ills is ineffective).
>>711701563
>trying to quit by yourself, "cold turkey," is stupid
Yeah, but I'm already stupid!
Wat do /b/?
Seriously though, you make excellent points. Wish I actually gave a fuck, but my apathy level is rising with every single drink, and I've had a half gallon of whiskey in the last 4 hours.
>in b4 you're rather coherent for drinking that much!
I get that all the time. Tolerance does build up. I am 50 now. Really wanna grow up about now. Thought I was on my way. Now I feel like it's no use anymore.
>mfw I'm a single dad with two teenage daughters who have seen the very worst and also the very best in me
>>711675338
hey fag, i quit drinking a few months back, weaning is the thing. Try to reduce the amount u drink first once a week, then twice and so on. Also try to change the strongest drinks for more soft ones. it really worked for me, took some time, but i did it. And no Withdraw.
>>711702308
Haha yea I know man, what should I do instead? Seriously asking because aa is hard work and you sound like you have more addiction expirence than me, only got like 9 years. Also for context was addicted heroin, benzos, methadone and some criss alcohol
>>711702655
You can get meds from an addiction psychiatrist to avoid most the withdrawal dangers including seizures, just make an appointment and tell him that's what you need. Also pills to cut the cravings.
How do you know when you're an alcoholic? How much is too much? I just turned 21 so i drink a little vodka every day after work? Is drinking every day bad? A lot of people i know were alcoholics including my dad so it scares the shit out of me.
>>711675338
You sound stressed, you should have a drink.
>>711702777
You need to treat the core reasons why you want to escape and dull yourself rather than deal with the world. If it's some heavy trauma or something you might need professional counseling. Otherwise look for self-help books and techniques to empty your mind without pills or booze (meditation, yoga etc).
My fundamental problem was procrastination and disorganization. All the little things I had to do would pile up until there were so many I didn't know where to start and I'd want to forget about them until later (with booze). That went on for 13 years. I read some books on organizing your life and taking charge (things like keep to do lists and go through them one by one; if something is going to take less than 5 minutes to do, do it now etc) which helped with urges a lot. Also things on how to deal with emotions, and that it's okay to have strong emotions (good or bad) -- you don't need to numb them.
AA sort of tackles that in a roundabout way (taking "inventory" of yourself) but without specific ways to treat it. Modern techniques are more effective at cutting to the chase.
>>711702777
Nice trips, and not the anon you were replying to, but in my experience AA only works because of peer pressure.
>more than 30 years going to AA, off & on, mostly on...
It's an addiction in and of itself! And it makes you 'sick'! True story, /b/ro!
They even constantly drill into your brain that you are sick and all you need is Jesus, or whatever other higher power they are willing to sell you. Hell! They'll even sell you a fucking doorknob!
Seriously? I think spirituality is important, and is part of an all-inclusive program, but you better find your own! Yoga and tantra worked for me for more than 5 years, but I was weak, and I couldn't handle a little problem like the only woman I had loved in decades getting murdered. I'll get over it soon, I can feel it; but this is a transitional phase. No guilt. I'm on the right path.
Guilt runs rampant in AA, and is extremely inconducive to sobriety.
I'll stay on my current program for now, which is 'controlled' drinking -- as in, I try to never get fucked up enough to not remember. Sometimes I fail. A good ass-whipping or falling down the stairs wakes me up for awhile, but...
>>711703350
Do you drink the same number each night and stop when that part of your nightly routine is over (like dinner is ready / dinner finished)? Or do you keep going until you get a buzz? If it's the latter, you're on the road to alcoholism because it will take more and more drinks to get a buzz (for me it was about 1 drink more per day each year) and eventually you won't even get a buzz, just a thick-headed dullness.
>>711703892
>btw, not that anyone cares, but it's been 3 yrs since my gf was murdered today, and exactly one year since I started drinking again after more than 5 years of sobriety.
I met her at AA btw.
>mfw I want to cry now, but can't, and never have
>>711684659
>Then my gf got murdered
wait what? you can't just casually mention that and not give an explanation. also, don't drink.
>>711704521
Did you murder her? Be honest.
>>711704624
What do you want?
A guy pushed her in front of a train.
You feel better now that you know?
I fucking don't.
>also, don't tell me what to do or what not to do.
I think I've lived long enough to figure it out on my own. Respect your elders, /b/oy. You have no fucking idea.
>>711705069
I would link the newspaper posts, but I am not drunk enough to doxx myself on 4chan!
>been here since early 2005
Guess I'll have another drink.
Finished that half gallon o' whiskey; now starting in on the hard apple ciders..
Fuck you /b/.
>>711704521
How did you stay sober for two years after your gf was murdered?
Maybe you should think about that.
How did you do it?
Can you do it now?
>condolences btw
>>711706007
Agent 007 makes a good point.
>>711705437
What kind of whisky and how can you afford a whole half gallon every day? That's gotta be like $40.
>>711703742
I like heroin because my life is very simple, work, school, use. It's an easy way to live and I'm excellent in that world as a dope dealer vs dealing with the real world and all the existential problems that go along with it. It just makes me happier than I've ever been so I crave it and I crave the loss of emotions asocited with it because it makes things so easy. I know I sound like a pussy but it's true and I've never been as passionate about anything else in my life, that's the truth
>>711706287
So would you recommend people get into heroin?
Bump
>>711706269
I can afford it by not eating.
A half gallon of 100 proof Evan Williams Black Label costs $21.95 + tax where I live, and that makes it less than $25.
Yeah, I choose alcohol over food.
Come at me /b/ros!
I don't even remember what a decent meal tastes like. I live off of alcohol, dark thoughts and memes.
>>711706287
Yeah, well, the only way I could get off of heroin was by turning into a raging alcoholic!
Good luck to you /b/ro.
Sometimes the threads where the OP passes out are the best threads!
>wondering if the 50 yr old will also actually pass out b4 404!
>>711708015
Nah.
I am far too ornery.
>besides... yoga... did I not mention that?
>>711706653
Haha I mean it's the best bro so sure why not. You're on /b/ so what's there too lose?
>>711707116
I mean it's been like 5 months and since Dec from alcohol. Got off subs like 2 months ago and only smoking weed once a week or less so I've got a decent program atm. I think I'm doing pretty good. Also haven't shot coke in maybe 5-6 months, another big one
>>711675338
I have the same problem but when i take KRATOM all that drinking bullshit goes away. Kratom is the way. Buy online
>>711675338
Hey we're in the same boat. If you have Kik , add me. : 3mptyglassofwhiskey
>>711708015
I'm alive
>>711708015
>>711708262
Feeling a bit peaked.
Guess I'll make the last post in this thread.
404 incoming!
Hard to believe this thread has been up for about 7 hours!
I'm gonna crash soon, for an hour or so, then I'll get up and do it all again!
>my kids will be so proud
ENJOY!
Ain't that what life's about anyway?
Thanks, /b/ros!
You did not in any way help keep me sober, but you provided food for thought, and like I said, I ain't eaten in awhile!
Much Love, /b/ros!
I am outta here!
>I'll be back
As if that ain't rare!
I like drinking because my blacked-out self does chores like laundry and cleans up the kitchen.
>>711709062
Hi OP!
How are you?
>>711709291
I wish mine did!
How can I train it?
27 and have drank almost everyday for the past 3 or 4 years, at least every other day since 18.
Over the past few months I've been trying to stop, but it's never lasted more than 2 days. Currently coming up on the 48 hour sober mark.
Drinking brings out my bad skin and it's worse today than it has been in a long time, I'm hoping that will be enough to keep me off it tomorrow.
Goal is make it to friday.
>>711709566
Write notes to it and leave it on the counter. Like "how drunk do you feel" and "will you clean up the kitchen, if not why not?"
Mine usually says "slight/moderate buzz" and "ok done"
>>711710004
I may actually try this.
>>711709376
Drinking some vodka watching trailer park boys... trying not to think about anything
>>711710239
If it says "no too tired" or something, tell it the next time you won't get more booze tomorrow unless it does the chores.
>>711676541
>the only problem
You won't say that once you get a liver test. Would you be able to stick to a stepping down program? Like, slowly easing off the alcohol? You clearly can't handle substances.
Bump
>>711676889
Dumbass, if you're going to suggest drugs, at least take one that won't fuck up anon even worse.
>weed
>hallucinogens
>ibogaine
i, too, have a problem with alcohol, poor anon. DRINK KRATOM. drink so much kratom you pass out, i don't give a FUCK. it's better than the booze and costs less over time. and i can drink it at work and those fags won't fuckin know. really turned my life around i tell ya hwat.
>>711675338
LOL, a 26-year-old cutting? You must be 14, mentally.
