So I'm a church leader to some degree in my 20s which requires me to hold a certain standard for myself. I like my faith and I believe in God...that's not the issue. I just literally hate every thing that goes along with it.
You basically have to be perfect, everyone judges you other Christians or non-believers, I hate trying to convert other, I hate writing lessons and planning events. I hate that I'll probably marry someone who only likes vanilla missionary sex. I hate that I can't express my interests without offending a Christian prude.
I recently went through my facebook and "cleaned it up" but in the process I felt like I was deleting my life. It's sounds so trivial and stupid. Often times I visualize myself dead or killing myself in different ways. I'm so depressed over it.
My faith by itself and helping others is the only thing I like about it. I work with Youth teens and it makes me happy to help them. I love them like my own little brothers or sisters. They are the only reason I stick around. It's really cool to see them grow their own faith and it inspires me. I feel fulfilled being a role model for them.
Lately though..it just feels like I'm caught up in the politics of church and it makes me depressed. I hate feeling like I have to fit a mold I don't fit into.
It's not necessarily my church judging me its other churches and other Christians who do. I'm a very open person and it's hard for me to do all this. I don't feel like myself..but I try to tell myself in the end it's worth it. /:
Anyone have a similar experience?
TL;DR I'm a Christian struggling to step into more leadership.
What denomination?
>>714532465
I'm nondenominational. Denominations divide Christianity in my opinion. If you were to classify me or my church we are on the Pentecostal spectrum without the snake dancing crazy or judgmental negative crap you normally experience with other churches. Which is why I really like mine. We're a "come as you are" kind of place. It's really nice tbh.
>>714532384
Take Satan's hand.
>>714532384
Faith is a bad shortcut to life, dawg. Question everything or you'll NEVER experience life at its fullest. Also, there's no way of having your hypothetical perfect faith without the prudes, because if you keep leaving things that belong to reality outside of your circle, you will become one of those prudes. Questions are spirit fuel, man.
>>714532776
Sorry, I'm a Bible thumping Jesus butt-buddy.
>>714532749
Ok, first of all, you're asking about religion and spiritual guidance in a horrible place. Secondly, you're always going to be a sinner. There is no avoiding that. Thirdly, there are plenty of congregations/faith communities that essentially abuse the members of their congregation that do not conform to "community standards".
Consider the works of St. Augustine.
Just quit your leadership and enjoy life like everyone else. That won't make your faith go away.
Your faith grows with life experience, there's no way around it.
>>714533086
Jesus only has one butt buddy sorry.
>>714533056
I'm not a sheeple Christian. I do question things but I also read my Bible for myself and don't just go off a pastor's words. It helps answer a lot of my questions. Like I said my faith itself is not what I struggle with. It's doing all the other stupid things.
>>714533097
Why not ask the internets toilet for their opinion? Also it's anonymous and I enjoy responses from 4chan to this type of thing. Most of the time I find interesting perspectives and even some other Christians.
>>714533449
Lol rip me.
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>>714532749
>Denominations divide Christianity in my opinion
You're a troll that knows nothing about Christianity.
>>714533328
Everytime I do life without church and without God it feels wrong. Even though it sucks sometimes, I'd rather go through it with God than without. Being a Christian doesn't make my problems magically go away, but it does really help sort through your emotions. It's comforting really and that aspect makes me happy. It's just the worldly stupid rules sometimes that make me hate it.
>>714532384
>You basically have to be perfect, everyone judges you other Christians or non-believers
As somebody with a psychotically Christian mother, as in the most Christian lady you'll ever meet, I've already gotten sick of the church, found drugs, depression, and anxiety, before going back to the church for comfort.
You take for granted this conservative group. It will keep you sane, away from degenerate faggots or niggers. Our entire country is founded on Christian principles, so keep on singing Jesus songs while looking at porn. Being stuck in the prudish church is so much better than being cold, alone and free, as sad as that sounds.
>>714533606
Sorry you feel that way friend. In a way it does divide people by traditions among other technical things. We all serve the same God..so why do labels matter?
>>714533606
Just becuase he know nothing doesn't mean he's a troll.
>>714532384
who gives a fuck. If you can't stand it then drop it
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>>714533794
>Being a Christian doesn't make my problems magically go away
Being a publicly professed Christian makes you a target for the beast. Your shit gets x10 harder as you are now a target for strangulation by worldly cares, trampling (because you are on "the path"), scorching by those who demand you bear worldly "heat" before you have roots....
Find some soil and nourish yourself before taking on the world... (including the world of religious politics)
>>714533606
He's right though. Jesus instructed his followers that a church was simply any group of people who met in God's name. He hated the organized religion of both the Romans and the Jews, seeing it as just another way to trick people into obedience.
Tfw Jesus would be disgusted with modern "churches".
>>714533890
I'm sorry you've had a bad experience. Tbh I get more judgment from non believers than actual believers. I guess that comes with territory. Like I said in my original posts..it's not my church that judges me..quite the opposite. I can tell my other co-leaders almost anything. We're all really close. It's other churches and other Christians and nonbelievers.
>>714533606
Well it does divide Christianity. I'm Baptist and Mormons are alien worshipping polygamists, Catholics are pedophiles and responsible for enormous amounts of corruption in the Tri State area, and protestants are ultra conservative freaks.
And we aren't allowed to dance because it's too close to Satan worship.
>>714533794
You can have that but whitout the bullshit man. You just have to learn about other forms of spirituality. At first you'll feel strange, but then, as you try other things, the belief fixation you are experiencing will fade away.
You can be cool without being religious.
Before you leave like I would if I were you, challenge the living shit out of everything about christianity. Just take everything you've ever been told and compare it against common sense and throw it back at the guy that told you then see how they react. If they get mad and throw you out, whatever.
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>>714533958
You're not my friend. We do not serve the same god. My God is not your god.
Denominationless cafeteria christians don't know the tenants and implications of their own professed "faith".
Until you understand this, you will suffer at the hands of people who are "leading you" down a path that looks like, but doesn't feel like, the "right path".
>>714534176
Jesus Christ was an invention of the romans. It was propaganda.
>>714534176
Exactly. My church doesn't have these boundaries. We actually preach love and hope and peace. It's really helped heal my heart. My mom was a Bible thumper..but despite that, I love the true heart of God. He's done more in my life than I ever deserve. A lot of people construe the Bible out of context to push agendas. It just makes me really sad. I want to change it, but part of that is going through this dumb bullshit now.
>>714534354
That is really sad. I'm sorry.
>>714534611
I don't follow the rules too closely. Most people don't.
>>714534377
"Other forms of spirituality" have never done anything for me the way God has. Nothing fills the voids in my heart the way He has. It's gay sounding I know..but it's true. I feel complete and whole with my faith.
>>714534411
Again my problem isn't with my faith itself. My faith is satisfying and wonderful. Other religions don't quite compare to God's love.
>>714532384
Have you considered taking your leadership outside the church. Start working with a charity. That way, you still have your faith, you still go to church, you help people, and you don't have to convert people. Faith should be a quiet, personal matter, but a lot of the people in churches these days make it into a bible thumping judgement fest. Don't pigeonhole yourself, and keep doing what you feel is right.
>>714534850
Other religions love god to.
>>714534667
you rebel you
>>714534562
If your church is cool, then why are you saying they're too stuck up? There are a bunch of idiots reading a book and trying to make sense out of it even though it was probably poorly translated (The ancient Jews and Christians weren't speaking English)
The politics side of things is kind of irrelevant when you think of it. Nobody said that a fork in the road can't lead you to two good outcomes.
>>714534881
Eventually I want to start a church like my own. But it's gonna take character building that is uncomfortable. Nobody like this part..religious or otherwise. Being successful requires sacrifice sometimes. In the end it truly is worth it to me, it just sucks going through it.
>>714532384
>I'm nondenominational
>Often times I visualize myself dead or killing myself in different ways. I'm so depressed over it.
>everyone judges
If you are what goes for a leader in christianity, no wonder it is losing influence fast. In your post I see a lot of wat you like, and wat you want, but that isn't what leadership, religion, nor general live is about.
If you cant take the heat, step down. But I know types like you wont listen, or more precisely, act. Having nice feelings is not the goal of life, serving and acting on the truth and living virtuously is.
>>714532384
you need to give yourself time to understand the faith you are upholding. people that were leading my church groups were seasoned with the sins of man and knew it. they wanted good lives, and wanted to influence good in people who wanted to hear. not saying you need to go to africa and watch children starve, but i am saying that if life is a test, then you should test for you when you have had time to find the answers, whether you got them through a book, or 40 years of humanity.
there really isnt an earth on your shoulders. so sometimes you dont have to be conscious of yourself and how you live, because that maybe vital to your test
>>714532384
religious thinking is an actual mental disorder. leave the church. renounce made up beings. be yourself anon.
If you believe the people in your congregation are right in their judgements, try harder to adjust your life and live by your values. If not, stand up for what you believe and live your according to your interpretation of the faith and what it means to live the Christian life. Judgement is the lords, and you are only accountable to him. The world may judge you, but try not to be concerned about that and focus on your relationship with Christ. Also, there are many churches out there. You may find that there are other communities where you can be a leader in the body of Christ without having to be around the small minded and judgemental so-called Christians in your congregation. You might even look into different denominations. I've found a spiritual home with a Quaker congregation, but there are tons of choices out there including different non-denominational congregations with very different interpretations of Christianity. You'll find that most Christians don't really live in a Christian way, as is the case with the followers of most religions not really living in accord with the teachings of their prophets and holy books. Be open to change, and true to your self.
>>714534984
Their God didn't come down humble himself and die for me. Other gods and philosophy haven't fulfilled me like God has. I pray to the Father and I receive good things love joy peace restoration of my heart comfort confidence in myself fulfillment onto of physical blessings such as finances a psudo-family where my blood relatives lack good health great job wonderful support system. Every part of my life is overflow without lacking. Why would I want anything else?
Teacher here. Just be who you want to be at home. Trolling helps quite a bit. And no, don't end up with some religious freak. Get yourself a nice young girl and fuck your followers' opinions. I mean it's not like you couldn't do anything else as a job if they start hating you.
>>714532384
This is literally the worst place to be asking advice.
The very foundation of Christianity rests on Jesus. If not for him you'd be a Jew or nothing at all.
Everyone is a sinner. Don't listen to the Catholics, Mary sinned too.
Don't get caught up in the religion. The only way to heaven is through Christ. Doesn't matter if you drink coffee or not.
Ironically there was a cross on a hill in my Captcha
>>714532384
Your problem is that any church that forces members to hide their sins instead of confessing them to each other isn't Christian, but then, that's almost every Christian church. The body of Christ are the actual followers not the paper institutions of judgmental hypocrites.
>>714535008
*sigh* I keep repeating myself. It's not my church that is judging me. It's other churches and non believers. For example, I like Pokemon. My church doesn't give a shit if I like it. Actually a lot of my co-leaders do like it. But sometimes other churches think it's demonic or something crazy. Lol I don't want to be discredited for an interests. It's literally stupid but this is how some churches operate.
>>714535532
I think he's trolling. Worrying about a girl that only likes missionary?
I waited till marriage before I lost my virginity. (although there was a lot of fapping before that... this site is part of an old habit)
Girls do a good job of acting innocent but if you meet the right girl they will be down for anything as long as its not too crazy.
>>714535681
Do you worry about Jews judging you for eating pork?
>>714534750
It seems to me you are measunring all of this by how you feel about it. There's other things besides your feelings you know? I was telling you to LEARN about other forms of spirituality, not changing faiths like diapers, c'mon. Up your game dude, don't be a fucking zealot. LEARN. Look at the voids in your heart, what are those? Do you really know? I'm pretty positive those holes are there, unfilled, while you take your feel nothing faith pills. You have to understand that you can FEEL anyway you want, without having to be guilted into submission by your own toughts.
>>714535112
True. That's essentially what I've been struggling with. The "put up or shut up" mentality. It's just very exhausting sometimes trying to do this whole thing for others when I just want to enjoy my own faith I guess.
>>714534496
LOL. This may not be what any intelligent student or reputable academic of history believes, but this is actually what fedora atheists believe.
>>714535418
Lol
>>714532384
It's simple. Abandon your faith and renew it in satan. Satan does not judge. He cares not what good or bad you have done. He will make you suffer endlessly whether or not you're a piece of shit.
>>714535156
I'm not sure how to respond to that. I guess I just want to be myself. And for the most part I am..it's just constricting at times. I have to watch everything I post on social media, how I talk in person, how I talk to parents of the teens. It is so hard finding the fine line sometimes. Everything has to come out super nice or people get offended.
>>714535924
Lol there plenty of Bible scholar's who this. Not saying it's because Idgf.
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>>714535681
video games ARE demonic. So is this place... literally anything that distracts and tunes you out to the "real" (spiritual) struggle is of the beast. This is how I know nearly all of you are religiously ignorant bastards. It's like watching a pit full of blind and deaf retards hacking at each other with safety razors. Really entertaining... but ultimately distracting from the fruits of the Spirit, the Cross, and Christ.
>>714535297
Again..my church isn't judgemental. Maybe I worded it the wrong way in my op. Thank you for your encouraging words. It's nice to meet someone else who is a Christian on here. Haha
>>714535532
>Good girl
You mean husband? Lol
>>714535544
This is a place of the lost. God did say go into all the world, not just churches. Lol
>>714535583
Again my church isn't judgemental. I'm very open with my sins and my struggles with my co-leaders and sometimes with the teens themselves to help them through certain things.
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>>714536446
>It's nice to meet someone else who is a Christian on here.
What is this? Some variation on the one true scottsman argument? Until you recognize that you are a retarded idiot, you will never be anything but a retarded idiot. Only the awareness of your retardation and idiocy will lead to "not retard" and "not idiot".
You are suffering in your "faith" because you don't understand what your professed religion is about.
>>714535840
Read this response. I'm not a zealot, I just know what has changed my life.
>>714535418
>>714536943
I'm sorry you feel that way about me.
>>714532384
to Americans god is Yahweh, to Indians he is Vishnu, to Arabs he is allah. The truth does not act this way, in America 2+2=4, in India, and in the Arab world 2+2 is also 4. Why cant gods possible existence, be as clear as a simple math problem. If gods existence,and which idea of god is correct matters, why wouldn't god expose the truth to all of us, in a clear and infallible way?
You see the funny thing about the truth is that it will remain true, even if you weren't raised to believe it. The truth does not require indoctrination, communities, traditions, institutions, governments, apologetics, stigmatization, tribalism, incentives, or punishments. Yet without these things religion would utterly disappear, never to resurface. The truth however will remain true and available to be discovered even if nobody spreads it. Whether it be by the edge of a sword, the point of a gun, the explosion of a bomb, or from a parent to a child.
maybe one day, religious people will ask themselves why religion requires so many dirty tricks to be believed.
Look OP, your god doesnt exist and im sorry about that, but being gods little bitch wont lead to happiness, perhaps your god isnt right. Perhaps your better suited to ENJOY the life you were given however you want to.
>>714537111
OK, i'm going to stop responding right now. That was horrible. "I'm not a zealot" *proceeds to make me read his psychotic zealoty ramble*
Remember that if you ask and listen you'll always find new aspects of reality you weren't taking into consideration, but you have to know how to listen. ONE mouth, TWO ears.
I hate "converting people" because I hate trying to debate an atheist. People say Christians are judgemental but I've never felt so judged and hated for something than when I talk with an atheist sharing my point of view. They will literally tell me I'm stupid sometimes. No matter how nice I am. I just dread talking to atheists for how I've been treated in the past even tho I try to respect their beliefs. It's like talking to a stubborn brick wall that will never question their own beliefs yet I'm constantly told to question mine? Idk
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>>714537260
This statement is proof that you are unable, on your own, to rise above the blindness that has caused your existential suffering. My words are wasted... I cannot help you.
>>714537803
Why would I change something if it makes me happy? lol I just don't understand.
>>714537998
im a theist as well, but if you think that being nice equates to intelligence, you are fucking stupid.
>>714538105
If your help i includes insulting me, thanks but no thanks.
>>714538307
I can't even get a word out before I get insulted. Lol it's just annoying. I don't insult them..why insult me?
>>714538458
Because your on /b/ you stupid fuck try and have a reasonable discussion somewhere else.
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>>714538458
>>714532384
> The true path of a christian is revolutionary socialism
> Jesus was a proto-socialist but the church establishment fucked it up for their own political gains.
>>714538458
well he didnt insult you, and you ignored him, so i say again your stupid.
>>714537682
>>714538458
Lol there are people this dumb
>>714535062
Then why come here to complain?
>>714538458
IRL you don't speak with every kind of people. For all it matters THIS is reality. You are just getting called on your shit man. That's how it shows that you are a sheltered little faggot.
>>714538860
not even getting response on the pun i made. sad.
I wonder how many Christians know that there God is also the Jewish God and Allah from Islam.
God is a lie and your whole life is based around that lie.
>>714533471
>internets toilet
We're the ones that shit on the rest of the internet.
>>714536347
>its bad to lurk this site
>lurks this site anyway
your becoming one of us anon
>>714539272
The guy gets to make a decent living lying to morons who're putty in his hands. Sounds like a great gig to me.
>>714539707
he makes his living by perpetuating a delusion that distracts people from more important things, not to mention is harmful to education, science and knowledge in general.
But I guess at least he's not a muslim.
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>>714539629
All too true.
>>714539908
As if it matters. The people have spoken, anon. Trump is in. Willful ignorance always wins. So you either find a way to profit and live comfortably or you whine about it and be miserable.
>>714540016
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+7&version=NKJV
Fuck your God virgin faggot.
>>714540257
The fuck does Trump have to do with it?
If you supported Clinton then willful ignorance is your middle name.
1. Religion sux
2. With that out of the way - This is the kind of sacrifice you make when you adopt a leadership position. Politics is an inevitable side effect of doing so.
While I've never been a -church- leader per se, I have taken leadership and training roles in my career, and through the advancement within an external organization, you end up making a lot of truly bullshit sacrifices for it - Time, self-expression, even to the point of who you can be friends with in public. Teachers and school administrators experience similar drudgery.
But here's the thing - it's a game. You have to decide whether or not you enjoy this game if you want to move forward with it.
>>714540498
Didn't support that she-bitch either. But look at who the nominees were. They were the perfect avatars of the American people.
>>714540498
Same could be said about trump. Both were absolute shit
Even if there is a being that created this universe it isn't the GOD mentioned in the bible.
It is written that eventually there will be heaven on earth. God and Jesus will descend and we will live there on earth in immortal paradise forever.
But here's the problem with that. Why would god only choose to make his eternal paradise on just the earth? We have estimated that there are hundreds of trillions of planets in our universe. There has to be sentient life out there with their own civilizations. Why would GOD choose to not include possibly hundreds of thousands of advanced civilizations on his paradise on earth? And if you say we're not sure if there's life on other planets then why would GOD make trillions of planets with no life on them? That seems like a pointless waste.
Because that GOD doesn't exist.
Furthermore any stories i've ever heard about the afterlife can be explained away as something else. Mainly a state of mind similar to having a very strong dream because your brain is going into overdrive to keep itself from dying and once that stops you're actually dead. What you see is just a hallucination from your brain trying to stay alive.
Supernatural sightings can be explained away by sleep paralysis, or a false awakening where they think they've woken up but they're still dreaming and only in a dream version of their room. And in that dream room they see a super natural entity. Or mental illness.
The sad truth is that when we die this life will be like a dream we will never remember having. And we will lose consciousness forever.
Therefore one of the most important things that matters in this day and age is immortality research. And GOD said he would keep humans from ever discovering immortality. It was forbidden knowledge on his tree in the garden of eden.
But we have proof that we will inevitably discover immortality. If GOD was real he would prevent that discovery from happening.
>>714532384
You've been super brainwashed by your religion to be guilt ridden whenever you aren't serving your imaginary God. How can you say you are not a sheep like the others?
Even mother Teresa had her faith tested and died ultimately questioning the existence of God. She did lots of great things for humanity but she could have done it in the name of humanity and not in the name of God.
Good people will do good things. Bad people will do bad things. If you want good people to do bad things just add religion.
>>714540801
>>714540923
Yea I wasn't over the moon about Trump but he's the only person not terrified to admit that we have a problem with Islam and immigration, and those are pretty much the only things I cared about.
Not to mention he put those pussy PC feminist progressive shitlibs in their place.
>>714541449
And being a "russian sympathizer" is a lot better than "warhawk", especially when outcasts only to get people who invested in her their ROI
>>714541449
>and those are pretty much the only things I cared about.
So you're not at all concerned about his lack of a plan to pay for military expansion, massive tax cuts, and tariffs on imports that are sure to start trade wars that will lead to actual wars once rapid inflation sets in?
Sounds about right.
>>714532384
The Earth wasn't made before the stars in the sky. Don't follow the false book.
Those who wheep and mourn aren't blessed.
Do refrain from beating your children, violence isn't love.
Don't lay with a man as with a women means you can lay with a man as long as you're the woman, you can't suck a womens dick or get sodomized by a woman, but you can by a man, this is probably why priests suck boys dicks.
It doesn't have laws against rape and paedophilia, because they obviously dig that stuff.
God was a dick who murdered Jobs family just to test his loyalty.
He trolled Abraham into killing his son.
Jesus tells us that being poor is good, that we should sell our shit AND that we should work unconditionally.
Africans didn't came from the grandson of Noah.
“The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully.” R. Dawkins
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Cwcw9FVHlQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65JxnUW7Wk4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9CvCyMeAH8I&t=1052s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQorzOS-F6w
Your god is false, it is what's making you doubt, not because it's a test, but because our brain isn't wired to believe in bullshit.
We are better than believing in stories made by imperialistic and genocidal Jews, who never hid that they were genocidal, they just claimed that they had divine reasoning for it.
>>714532384
Does your church have mimes
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jHZcw2EWMCo
>>714532384
You're not helping people by letting them believe in bullshit, why aren't you helping them with homework instead of faith in the flying teapot?
You know that that's what they need.
You're just pushing some moronic idea unto them they would generally do better without in society, rather than this small little village you're in.
Broaden their horizon, don't limit it.
I doubt that any of them will follow an education in biochemistry, physics or astronomy or that they won't love it simply because it contradicts this ridiculous faith they have.
Do everybody a favor and become a anti theistic hometutor.
Young Life?
If you touch enough kids, you'll probably get a promotion.
The leaders want someone they have dirt on, those people are easier to control.
Saying you're a Christian on 4chan is suicide, but please stay strong. The work you do matters to those kids and they are thirsty for the knowledge of God. Perhaps you should pursue less corporately organized ministry in a smaller non-denominational church. You can still help others there and be given the opportunity to have a more exciting life that is less dictated by corporate church standards.
>>714541961
I'm not an alarmist jackass that thinks the sky is falling, no.
>>714532384
Watch the debates on this channel Atheists vs Theists.
They're all over an hour long and has various theists and atheists debate their believe.
Teach it to your studnets as a means to "strenghten their faith" and as if you're mocking the atheists while in reality they'll see how retarded their own religion is.
And because it's theists vs atheists you'll see lot's of strong theistic arguments so people won't see your real plan untill it's too late, as long as you keep on mocking the atheists and don't shut of the clips people will think that you're siding with the theists.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCIBpItHxTpuug31geLR8Ymg (watch this channel)
>>714542993
>they are thirsty for the knowledge of God
Riiiiiight. Kids pop out of the womb yearnin' for some Bible learnin'. Nothing says happy childhood like riding pine for two hours every Sunday while a guy tells you you're going to hell for every little thing you do unless you spend your life being a bland, milquetoast automaton.
>>714543167
By "knowledge of god", I assume you mean DNA in the form of semen?
>>714543167
Depends on the church. I grew up in a church that promoted the love of God and his mercy. I have Catholic friends who had experiences like you described and I feel bad that they didn't have the same experience I had.
>>714541965
RIP Christopher!!!
Creationists.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqaHXKLRKzg&t=848s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9o9UXjpT8ig&t=6411s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkej2_QHtn4
>>714543331
>God and his mercy
>no one asks to be born
>automatically destined for hell
>must be lucky enough to be in the right church at the right time
>still more likely to end up spending eternity being brutally tortured and humiliated
>again, never asked to be created
What a wonderful god.
>>714543602
>destined for hell
Depends on how you look at it. I believe in John 3:16. "...whomever believes in him shall not perish but have everlasting life." Just simply believing grants you salvation. Again, thats how I've been taught and how I believe the Word to be. Not the fire and brimstone that some Christians fear, but the eternal salvation that I long for. I don't live my life any differently than my atheist friends. I don't even go to church regularly, but that doesnt change my beliefs.
>>714541449
Even though only two attacks from anyone in the name of the Islamic faith have occurd on US soil? What happened to not thinking the sky is falling?
>>714542279
>>714543116
Chec and kmate
>>714543945
So what if someone cannot bring himself to believe? What if he lives a decent life, but can't convince himself of the supernatural? Does that person spend e t e r n i t y being mercilessly burned and mutilated? If so, why create him in the first place?
Sounds like god's a sadistic sociopath.
>>714532384
So in summary, the only thing you like about it is indoctrinating children into something you otherwise hate?
That's cold man.
The Church of Scientology can help with that.
>>714541965
I don't understand why anybody would willingly follow such a God just to get into eternal Disneyland?
It's hypocritical to do good just to get a reward and then claim that you're morally superior, it really is the worst reason.
It is what scum does.
vanilla missionary sex? some of the freakiest, nastiest girls I've ever met were on bible trips, youth groups, etc.
Now if you marry a super conservative lady without knowing what her kinks are, that's your own fault
>>714544576
>eternal disneyland
Except you're not allowed to ride any of the rollercoasters, just the gay shit.
I looove money money money money! I loooove pussy pussy pussy pussy!
>>714544929
With all the priests there there'll be lots of gayshit, you'll probably BE the ride.
>>714535297
This right here is the key.
>>714545558
The key to autism.
Sounds like you need to get yourself some teenage pussy at bible camp.
You're going to hell for looking at /b/
Hey OP, ever tried doing what you're doing -outside- of the church ? The teaching you've had has turned you into a competent and faithfull man, if it's the tradition and its context that weighs you down, you should consider leaving the church.
One can always be faithfull and a strong believer, no matter if religious or not. In the end religion is to be dissociated from belief itself. God wished that we could all get along well, but sometimes, it's our ties that take our freedom away.
As the social creatures we are, it often happens that, in group, tons of unecessary problems arise. Making it clear that you belong to no group (the church) while still spreading the holy word could free you.
To quote the words of William Blake, "...and as I was then persuaded, & remain confirm'd; that the voice of honest indignation is the voice of God..."
No man of faith should suffer the weigh of ignorant stares while making it all better for the others.
I do hope you'll find a way out of this mess OP.
>>714545987
Alot if christan girls think anal sex is a loop whole for some reason. Wich is pretty great. It's also great telling her after that Jesus still knows.
>>714546174
>God wished that we could all get along well
Which is why he consistently ordered his "chosen people" to murder women and children of other nations. Riiiiight.
Several others have hit the nail on the head here, so I'll just add a couple of thoughts.
You are a Believer in Christ. He's covered your sins, and you can now stand boldly before the Father. His wrath is no longer upon you. You will face some sort of judgement when you stand before him, but it isn't the Divine judgement that he will pour out on the wicked, so there should be no fear in it. HE alone will be the one that will reward you according to his good pleasure, and it's HE who you must live your life for. Not your church, not other christians, not the world, etc.
You are saved by His grace. Not by living according to the standards set by any one, or any organization, whether they claim to be Christian or not.
It sounds like you have a good church you fellowship at. In all seriousness I'd go talk to the pastor, and just tell him everything you told us here. Talk about it. Meditate on it. Ask if he has insight. And find a couple of other folks who's opinions you trust and respect. Hear what they have to say.
But understand this. If you are truly born again, you answer to no one else but God. Period. And unless you are out there in the world committing blatant sins, and living in a state of open rebellion, then thier opinions mean dick. You live your life, be true to yourself, be true to God, and do what you know to be true according to his words.
>>714532465
If you're going to belive in the great guy in the sky, then do it. He's the only one whose judgement matters, fuck the rest. Be yourself, give the world the middle finger, and keep helping kids n stuff
>>714546359
Yes he did. There were valid reasons for it too. Doesn't mean that he still doesn't desire peace. Actually read and study the bible, instead of Atheistic pamphlets that give you the right answers to parrot back whenever you "argue" about faith.
>>714546666
Jusify every point in this post. >>714541965
Also check'd.
>>714532384
Prove you are a christian and not a troll. Tell me about when you were saved, and when you first experienced/received the baptism of the Holy Spirit.
>>714546666
>There were valid reasons for it too
Because god is like a kid who throws two cats into a sack and delights in watching them destroy each other.
My best friend is a youth pastor at his church. His wife leads the music part of worship, but isn't a pastor because they don't allow women in leadership positions.
As a celebration for getting engaged, they invited friends to a restaurant. Some people from the church were in the restaurant, not part of the celebration, and complained to the pastor that they were drinking in public. All they had was a toast, and nothing else. And the pastor came down on the, and told them they can't drink in public.
He said if they want to do that stuff in private, fine--but in public, they have to be beyond reproach.
Anyhow, they do. He vapes when we hang out. We drink and chat as we always did. And he has his church life that he is fulfilled by.
People suck. And the people who are drawn to Protestantism are more judgmental than any other group, in my experience. And Protestant churches are filled with Protestants.
Get what you can out of your relationship with God. That is personal. But nothing says you have to find a woman that is into vanilla sex. Nothing says you are forced to play by rules of judgmental cunts.
Be honest with yourself, and find the way you can live life honestly. You're lucky you're having these thoughts now before you're already tied to the wrong wife and the wrong church for the rest of your life, or until your breakdown.
Be very honest with yourself.
>>714546406
Let me also add this, so you don't think I mean it's OK to do whatever because you're saved:
While we aren't bound by the law anymore, since Jesus's death and resurrection fulfilled the requirements of the law,we still have a responsibility. We are to live as God requires, but it's not the act of good living that saves us. That part was taken care of by Christ.
There are times we will be with fellow believers who may not be as strong in the faith as we are, therefore we shouldn't do things that would cause them to stumble.
For example. I drink occasionally. Beer, wine, a little hard stuff, whatever. I see nothing wrong with it. However, My brother who might be new in the faith, and still hold drinking to be wrong might see that, and be offended, or tempted to join in, or whatever. Drinking is a sin to him. So, in order to keep from offending him, and provoking him into sinning, out of love, and out of the freedom I enjoy, I won't drink around him. Not because I think it's sin, but because He does, and him seeing me do it could cause him to stumble.
Read through Romans, and some of Paul's other letters regarding living for our brothers and sisters.
>>714546666
If those quads were any more ironic, they'd be your argument.
>>714546666
The things your God does is the same as an Anti-God would do. choosing the wellbeing of a small group (of which you're no part mind you) over the wellbeing of the world.
Genocide, demanding sacrifice and in the end even sacrificing his son/ committing suicide to undo mistakes.
As if human sacrifice is ever a way to repent.
I disliked the fact that Jesus was crying for his father on he cross, because it showed that God didn't gave a fuck and if he was God himself then he wouldn't have had a reason to ask why God had forsaken him.
AND it clearly shows that he wasn't willing to die, he was forced to and when God decided to turn his back on him, Jesus accepted his faith.
Now i do not care what you're preachers have brainwashed you with, but this book is pure evil.
Your God is pure evil.
>>714547785
Well, then there's no reason to discuss it with you then. Your mind's made up. Go in peace and live your life.
>>714547602
I don't really get this.
If Jesus drank wine, why would Christians follow the teachings of Paul instead?
>>714548225
Paul never said don't drink wine.
He actually encouraged it.
Jesus was the same way.
The idea was drink, but don't get so plastered you make an ass out of yourself. Drinking alcohol in and of itself isn't a sin. Being drunk isn't really a sin either, but it does LEAD to sin which is why they warned about drinking too much.
I used alcohol just as an example. Paul talked about eating meat that had been sacrificed to idols. For some believer's it was just some good BBQ sold down at the temple restaurant. For some believers, who had come out of that culture, held it as sinful because they saw it as something sacrificed to evil. Paul merely said it's OK to eat it, but if your brother is troubled by it, for his peace of mind, don't do it. Show him true love by not trying to offend him.
OP can i ask you a simple question, do you believe in hell?
>>714548097
Discussions are there to exchange information not to convert people.
You have very selfish reasoning a clear cultmentality fitting for a Scientologist (and yes i know you're not a scientologist)
Poop
>>714532384
Go do psychological shadow work. You wont regret it. It will bring you closer to god.
>>714549175
But you really don't want an exchange of information. You want to argue. You want us to get into an online tussle, and there's no reason for it.
You want information?
1 get a Bible that you can understand and read it.
2 Open your mind. If all you are trying to do is prove it's all a lie, then that's all you'll come up with.
3 Find a good Christian apologetics website. CARM is pretty good. Simple to read, easy to understand, answers lots and lots of types of questions.
See WHY things happened the way they did in the Old Testament. Find out exactly what TRUE believers should be like. Learn what the Church SHOULD be. That's going to work far better than blabbering back in forth on 4chan.
>>714536347
Oh man you best start supporting your assertions with logic or youll come across as just another extremist the rest of society will have to take care of later. Its the muzzies and feminists now, but it will be the christians again one day.
>>714537682
>Why cant gods possible existence, be as clear as a simple math problem
Because people keep trying to redefine god in a way that they prefer even though thats the complete opposite of what they should be doing because god is the truth.
>>714550100
Argue? I made a post and you reacted to it, so who wanted to argue? Might as well kept your mouth shut then.
1. I wouldn't be able to make the post if i didn't know the bible, so there's tha and i'll even point you to this post t>>714541965 now say that i don't know the Bible again.
2. I love history and religion, but i only take one of the 2 serious, because they're not compatible.
3. I follow Wiliam Craig on youtube and he's the most immoral person i've seen since Hitler.
Now if you do want to hold a conversation talk about the points one makes and don't attack the speaker by calling them ignorant or whatever childish thing you were trying to do.
You insulted my intellect which isn't very Christian and you should give me an apology, but i know you won't because you're nothing more than a selfrighteous brat.
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?
>>714538458
They insult you because they look down on you because they assume youre stupid. Truth is, youre probably both stupid in your own ways. The atheist is stupid because hes too close minded to even listen, and youre stupid because you cant even figure out why they insult incessantly.
Atheists are the spiritual equivalent of a teenager. They figured out enough that what they are aware of is true, but then make premature assertions because theyre often too close minded to take take into consideration unknown unknowns, which is illogical. Theyll try to jump straight to the occams razor argument to defend that behavior, but occams razor isnt actually logical. Its reasonable, but not logical. Occams razor is just there so people dont have to constantly argue about pointless things like unicorns on the moon or SJW's being not racist. However, if one cannot specifically disprove something, its still left in an undetermined state, meaning you cant make an certain assertion one way or the other. At that point, its left to probability, which is where atheists tend to fuck up. They seem to think that a 99% chance of something being wrong is equal to 100%. Its not. God has not been disproven, and considering the concept of god itself, it may not be provable or disprovable for a long time.
Also, theyre quite militaristic about it because theyve seen the stupid bullshit christians and any other religion gives birth to. Whether you fags wanna admit it or not, religion is a very large source of evil even though many find comfort in it and are benefited by it.
>2016
>Being a Christian
Fucking kek
>>714541965
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTXN5nOstRs
>>714536347
Mark 2 13-17
13Once again Jesus went out beside the lake. A large crowd came to him, and he began to teach them. 14As he walked along, he saw Levi son of Alphaeus sitting at the tax collector’s booth. “Follow me,” Jesus told him, and Levi got up and followed him.
15While Jesus was having dinner at Levi’s house, many tax collectors and sinners were eating with him and his disciples, for there were many who followed him. 16When the teachers of the law who were Pharisees saw him eating with the sinners and tax collectors, they asked his disciples: “Why does he eat with tax collectors and sinners?”
17On hearing this, Jesus said to them, “It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners.”
Jesus hung out with the lowest of the low. He was there for the people who needed him the most.
The religious leaders of the time? They were self righteous bastards who were proud. They were hypocrites. They laid heavy burdens on the followers but didn't abide by them themselves. They had the Son of God right in their midst, performing signs and wonders pointing to God, but they refused to see him.
Jesus would be wasting his time hanging out with them, so he went where people would listen, and hear him.
>>714551394
True? No, i do refuse to follow any god who thinks that sacrifice and genocide is in any way good for humanity.
A God that has to correct mistakes that even i wouldn't make isn't worthy of my time and i have agreed with myself that this belief is something worth going to hell for.
I do good, i help people, not because i want to go to eternal Disneyland, but because those people need help and i want to help them without personal gain.
So don't call us teenagers, because teenagers are selfish and helping people just so you can go to Disneyland or because you're afraid to be punished is not good it is being selfish.
Again, i do not care if he exists, i refuse to follow him.
This is a conscious decision, so don't lump us atheists and antitheists together.
I am a anti-theist, i don't believe that the book is true and i am against it being taught to children as truth.
Even the Lord of the Rings, harry Potter and many other children books teach our children far better morals than your silly bible.
I used to be a christfag, even lived with a bunch of guys from my church at one point and had a "leadership" position. One of the first things that began pushing me away was when a pastor told me to throw away my family guy dvd collection (only up to season 4 at this point - show was still ok). I didn't "obey" because fuck that tool. Slowly began to realize how cult-like the place was. Building on the Rock Church in Manchester NJ if anyone cares for specific location. I could go on for days about how fucked that place is.
Long story short, I eventually moved in with a couple normal friends, got hired as a cop, and stopped going to church when work became more important. Been much happier since. I consider myself an atheist at this point - although without the edginess and fedora.
>>714552478
basing your atheism on the hebrew version of god alone.
>>714551394
The existence of Yawhe is disproven, because everything in HIS religion is a lie.
The first testament is sort of an historybook, but it clearly goes against any history we know.
That IS the book of Yahwe, so if you say there might be a God, then yahwe isn't in this picture.
OK, now let's look at the 99999 other gods, you do know that they all have special charatcer traits, special abilities and special stories right?
Ok, ALL of them are false (obviously).
Period.
You might want to say that the New testament uses snippets of actual events, but it's still based on Yahwe who was JUST proven false.
You were too quick with your judgement, just because you haven't met the right anti-theists doesn't mean that they don't exist.
Cheers.
PS, the god you talk about, this unproven entity that doesn't has it's own unproven story doesn't has a religion yet, so i'd hurry up and make it if i were you
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