Should the government have the right to tax?
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Should the government have the right to tax?
>>714379235
should you have the right to:
>good roads
>social programs
>garbage collection services
>safe neighbourhoods
>a job where laws protect you from being enslaved
>etc
if yes then yes, they do have the right to tax
>to pay for this
INB4 libtards thinking money comes from nowhere
>>714379753
its the conservitards that hate taxes
>>714379753
And inb4 conservatives thinking they live in a vacuum where it's them and their money and no one else exists
"Self-sufficient" is a misnomer we all need social services and roads and subsidized healthcare
>>714379753
rights don't exist, fgt
>>714379235
No taxation without representation.
But yes there should be taxes. I like roads and streetlights and fire hydrants and shit.
>>714379893
yes they do, but the liberals think that they can have all the god damn programs and services they want and not have to figure out where all the money comes from.
its always the liberals calling for tax breaks for everyone under the sun as well
>>714379235
well you enjoy all the roads, education and shit don't you?
>>714379753
my understading is that you right wingers are pathologically afraid of rasing taxes and this is a common political platform in the USA.
Am i wrong in assuming you're the dumb fuck here?
>>714379977
Go fuck yourself you fucking NEET. One day, people that actually work will abandon your sorry, then you will starve
we should tax people more (based on income) so members of our society can have access to catastrophic health insurance.
anyone with me?
>i make 70k a year. single. no kids. etc.
>>714380124
>homeschool political science at work
jesus christ
>>714379893
conservitards love taxes just as much as libtards do.. as long as it funds what they want.
its libertarians that hate taxes.
>>714380150
Roads and Education account for about 5% of total spending
>>714379977
yes and no. Im a conservative and I still do believe that taxes are necessary but should only be collected and used for the bare minimum services to keep a nation going (roads, emergency services, medical and support for the ACTUALLY disabled to name just a few.
but to a great extent self sufficiency should be preached way more. no more of this what can the government do for me shit. get to a what can I do for me mindset
>>714380405
kek. libertarians dont want to live in somalia.
weird...
>>714380235
see
>>714380496
this is me
>>714379235
>>714380496
> but should only be collected and used for the bare minimum services to keep a nation going
so the problem is we dont agree on what it should be spent on?
Great!. Let us argue some more.
>>714380525
libertarianism =/= failed state.
your straw man is hilarious.
>>714380370
Nope, we should ditch progressive tax rates and make everyone pay a flat percentage of their income.
as long as the tax moneys doesnt go to some useless welfare leech's shrimp dinners or there hospital bills
>>714380688
not that guy but can you give me a quick rundown of what libertarianism is? to me it seems almost like anarchism
>>714380584
if there's a boat thats sinking into acid, and the boat has 5 people in it, but one of them is a child rapist, and you cant rescue any other other ones without rescuing him too... do you let the boat sink? or rescue all of them.
>no technicalities. just a scenario 1 or 2 answer please.
>>714380635
>so the problem is we dont agree on what it should be spent on?
NOW your getting it. its not that any one side hates taxes (unless they have to pay them), but that both sides cant agree on how to use them.
>>714380787
its called "google".. use it.
dont come in here asking for basic definitions, you look like an inept retard in the process.
>>714380525
Libertarians: Noun
People who think infrastructure is a naturally occurring phenomenon
People born on third base who think they deserve credit for hitting a triple.
>>714380771
not everyone who has used welfare was a leech. also we should have nationalized healthcare
>>714380688
>your straw man is hilarious.
/pol/ detected.
>muh charts.
>muh pepes.
>look at this graph i made that supports my biased opinions.
>kek.
>>714380878
google brought me here
>>714380787
an ideology for people with the social and reasoning skills of children, as it can more or less be summed up by the phrase "I don't wanna share!"
>>714380853
rescue them all. its the lesser of the 2 evils. he can be dealt with at a later date.
>>714380947
i have never been to /pol/, but you sure seem to know alot about it.
>>714380903
Ask Canada how their nationalized healthcare is...
>>714379235
it does and yeah article of confederation showed it should
I've tried to figure out what OP's image is, then I looked at the upper right corner and realized it's an eye. Creepy as fuck, especially from an herbivore.
On topic, yes, the US government should have the right to tax. Giving representatives power doesn't just mean voting them into office; it's giving them responsibilities no corporation wants to handle. Those responsibilities collectively require a preposterous amount of money, and the economic returns on most projects stretch deep into the future. Neither of these are favorable for private corporations, but they are what make a constitutional republic like ours relevant.
>>714380972
he's avoiding your question.
the only reasons libertarians can have such stupid expectations of human nature is because they live in civilized societies.
seriously, they are too stupid and blind out of some idealistic human perception.
>pragmatism ftw.
>>714380903
last i checked, its either the elderly or children who are beneficiaries of welfare. most working age people are on it for 2-3 years at most.
but Reagan invented the idea of the welfare queen, and like a lot of other shit he did, we're still dealing with the consequences
>>714381090
but we're better than canada
>>714381077
>rescue them all. its the lesser of the 2 evils. he can be dealt with at a later date.
then why cant you fags understand that there's always going to be shit and lazy people?
we need to focus on the needs of the society that works and maintains the nation, even if we rescue the lazy fags sometimes.
universal healthcare for all. paid for by taxes.
>>714381078
>but you sure seem to know alot about it.
they are the cancer of /b/ and the human brain. of course i know about them. they spread their stupid ideas like wildfire.
>>714381090
canada fag here. its cheap but not the greatest. that being said when my wife was in the hospital for 3 days I didnt have to worry even once about bills or weather my insurance was gonna "drop coverage".
its a misunderstanding that its free though. we all pay into it through either a tax on income or a premium system. and because we all pay into it and the government regulates the prices we all end up paying less.
>>714381090
it's fine for emergencies and essential treatment. if you want anything elective, it'll be a few months if you can't afford to pay out of pocket. the rich ones just go into the US for elective stuff
But you should tell me more about the great american system of healthcare, which as i understand it primarily works on the principle of "Your money or your life", or in some cases "Your money AND your life"
>inb4 muh rationing
healthcare is rationed no matter where you are. americans just ration it by the system of "can you afford not to die?"
>>714381090
Not that guy, but I'm Canadian. Healthcare here has its ups and downs. Wait times are a bitch, but at least I won't go bankrupt if I break my leg.
>>714381275
Kek, yeah keep telling yourself that.
>>714379235
Yes. Without taxation of some sort you really can't have a modern nation.
>>714379235
The right? No. The need? Maybe. Depends. I would rather the biggest government that any individual has to face should be his or her state and that's it. Also, the fuck is this picture? Is it real?
>>714381436
>its a misunderstanding that its free though
its not a misunderstanding. people here actively and consciously spread misinformation about it for political gain. if you havent noticed, half of our country is literally retarded.
not even making that shit up, go to mid-america and talk to the average human being living there. they are so under-educated and stupid, and they feel proud of it.
they are a self-validating-cliche.
>>714379235
Yeah jus like your pimp daddy taxes u every time u take black dick us the ass
>>714381657
Kentucky sets up the best example of the ACA.
People vote for a governor who explicitly says he'll dismantle it
People vote for a president who explicitly says he'll get rid of it nationwide.
Now the dumb shits are concerned about their medicare going away.
>>714381337
your previous question failed to illustrate your point. society does not need to save the lazy, the criminal or the "shit".
help those whom cannot help themselves. leave all others to help themselves. THAT is how a proper society should work
>>714381657
your actually completely right, if i had a loonie for every time ive had to explain to canadians around here the difference between a free healthcare system and a nationalized system i would be rich
>>714381611
Saudi Arabia doesn't tax its citizens, everything is paid for by oil money.
It's an utter shitshow. Because the government isn't beholden to taxpayers, there is no accountability. likewise regular citizens don't feel invested in anything the country does, because it goes on with or without them.
they're going to be doubly fucked when the oil runs out or becomes so cheaply priced due to renewables expanding.
>>714381611
Refer to >>714381176
On that, what I meant by those things "making the constitutional republic relevant" is that it ultimately binds the power of the government to the will of the people. The people, the American citizens, ask for those ridiculously expensive projects with equally ridiculous utilization time frames to be done.
>>714381795
shit bro. conversation is over. i can tell you are like a fundamentalis right wing idealist who wont budge an inch even if it meant benefitting most of society.
ideals before practicality? shit man, you're out of your fucking mind.
you are a mental degenerate. seek help. you are a danger to human progress.
>>714381790
im assuming this is because they dont make the link between health care and their diabeetus medications prices
>>714379235
Of course government has to tax. How else will it function? There can never be a perfect system of government in a society with more than 200 or so people
>>714382056
careful special snowflake or you'll melt in all the butthurt
>>714379235
>>714379235
>>714379235
>>714382115
no. they don't
these are the kinds of people who say shit like "Keep your government hands off my social security"
these are the kinds of people who think coal jobs will magically reappear.
>>714380150
>714380150
do liberals really think roads and schools cost 50% or more of tax income?
lol
>>714382232
do conservatives really think we need a bloated military budget to keep the angry foreigners away?
>>714382129
>careful special snowflake
not oven close faggot. my values probably overlap a lot with yours. ( i hate some feminists IDEALS) but i dont staunchly attach myself to stupid values that no longer hold any practical use in society.
i change as circustances require. you strike me as the type who wants everything to stay the same, because your mental comfort is paramount to all.
fuck you. eat shit and die you mental fossil.
>>714382056
>practicality
you need to learn what this word means
>progress.
also maybe go ahead and look up some history books and find out how we have made progress over the millennia.
spoiler/EVERYONE WORKED HARD OR WERE CAST OUT/spoiler
>>714380458
>16% military, lol
pretty misleading info there
>>714382205
>"Keep your government hands off my social security"
i aint lying. when i first heard that shit i raged to the point of wanting to bash their heads in.
its absolute insanity.
>>714379235
governments have the right to take your rights if they wanted to so just be happy you can speak your mind
>>714382384
>you need to learn what this word means
i know what it means. you just dont like its application cause "muh ideals".
like i said: you are mental cancer.
your stupid semantic games wont work on me.
>>714381247
some conservacucks still think he was their best president ever
4 me this great guy was the best one
>>714380903
>>714381090
>>714381275
>>714381436
>>714381496
>>714381497
>>714382650
there are no great presidents. just good ideas, and bad ones.
i respect good ideas. and the good reasons for them.
fuck idealizing men.
>>714382367
You mad sjw?
>>714379235
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pA8DdkM2Wqo
uhhhh yeah
>>714382650
Regan wasn't the best but he was better an any we've had since.
>>714382044
The Saudis are working hard to diversify their economy.
They aren't stupid. They know the fossil fuel era is coming to an end, and they know how much oil they got left. Thats why the price of oil is so low; the Saudis are trying to sell their reserve while they still can.
>>714382594
>your stupid semantic games wont work on me.
its called logic mate.
>>714382718
you know we can amend the constitution to add healthcare as a right
>>714382718
this depends on your constitution, here in Canada, healthcare is in the constitution.
>>714382367
>waaah waaaah waaaaah
Tldr
>>714382812
thats all you stupid fucks know how to spew. same old tired words over and over.
cant blame you though. if i was mentally handicapped by nature, and born stupid like you, i probably wouldnt have blame in it.
still though, you guys really are a fucking drag on the smart people of the planet. we cant move forward in any meaningful way because you guys are so attached to emotions, you cant even try to use that shit you call brains in your heads.
die. please. do the world a favor.
>>714382394
Pretty misleading yourself. Way to only look at the discretionary budget.
>>714380124
>democrats balance budgets
>republicans can't control their outrageous spending
>but it's liberals that can't into money
Nigga u dumb
>>714382044
I general believe that government is probably the worse way to get nearly ANYTHING done, and that the smaller the system the better the job, within reason. Since damn near everything here in America that's paid for the government is a shit show. I think it could be better if it was handled state to state, but I'm a high school drop out So I'm making an uninformed assement.
>>714379753
I don't think you should have the right to most of that, it should be something that is voluntary. Private roads, private employment insurance, private garbage collection, private security
>>714382718
healthcare is not a free enterprise in the US you child, its very socialist.
Healthcare interests paid the majority of the obama campaign, hence why we are now FORCED to buy their product whether we like it or be fined.
When lawmakers and businesses conspire to raise prices its no longer capitalism you stupid fucking twat.
you want to hate obamacare (which i'm for) but you're too dumb to know hwy and you hurt the cause you support.
>>714382459
...just because the government runs social security doesn't mean it's theirs. It's our money. We put it into social security for one reason. The government should only be using for that reason. Instead, they grab from it for whatever the issue of the week is. The fact that social security is as gutted as it is, is an extremely serious problem.
>>714382718
socialism as a concept didn't really exist until Marx and Engels.
but i like how you think a picture drawn to look like old parchment somehow lends credibility to any of that.
Taxes are the price we pay for a civilized society - Oliver Wendell Holmes Jr.
16th Amendment of that very same Constitution says income taxes are fine.
>>714383187
That's not feasible. At all. It would be chaos and anyone who doesn't realize that is either an edgy teenager or a complete fucking retard.
>>714383110
being this mad. ON /b/.
seriously though if you actually worked a decent job, paying tax and the government came along and took your money you worked hard for to pay for some crackheads welfare so he could buy more crack, then OD and wind up in hospital where the government takes MORE or your tax dollars to pay for his medical so he can go back out onto the street to collect more welfare and start the whole process over again then maybe you would feel differently
ITT
>>714382394
Idiot.
>>714383137
they dont balance budgets they sell off assets at the last moment before the budget is released to it looks balanced.
if we look at Canada, liberals are currently running a 50 billion deficit and counting whereas the conservatives had the deficit hacked back to a few million
>>714382881
except its not really working
the only thing in Saudi that functions remotely well is the national oil company Aramco, and thats mostly because it started out as an American firm.
climate change will probably make that entire region unlivable anyway. I kind of look forward to that.
>>714383110
Shutup cuck
>>714382718
>>714383033
also obamacare is a penalty not a "Tax". It was originally ruled unconstitutional but this technicality made it go into effect. it was also passed Christmas eve so most of those old fucks didn't read it.
does it scare you how little you remember? because it scares me
>>714383187
Ideas like this have been proven not to work. In it is what gets rid of the middle class. Private roads are a good example. Imagine your neighborhood pool together and you get screwed. If you are in a lower social level there is a good chance the company will be able to afford to stretch out the trail time until you guys run out of money.
Next time you could go to the other guys right? Well they were all bought out by the largest one because they wanted a monopoly and the socialist anti-monopoly law was struck down for being socialist.
Imagine every business in the world trying to screw you. That is life. The little guy doesn't win off of being right, no one works for free.
>>714383187
we called this the feudal system and it caused a retarded number of wars
>>714380763
But anon that hits the poor disproportionately harder, because a millionaire can live fine on 800,000, but a person with 20k will find it much harder to live on 16k.
>>714383787
in canada they dont charge you a penalty. you just get hit with the uninsured rate at the hospital if you go there and the going rate for a doctors visit if you go there without premiums paid
TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP
>>714383657
>they dont balance budgets they sell off assets at the last moment before the budget is released to it looks balanced.
But that's bullshit.
>if we look at Canada
Why would we do that?
>>714384101
The uninsured rate at the hospital is 0$ broski. It's covered by the provincial government which you pay into with income tax. Same with most doctors. Some people get private health insurance and it helps with medications and there is some private stuff in Canada and it helps with that.
>>714382394
>I don't know what discretionary means the post
>>714379235
NO FUCK NO NEVER! It's like stealing
>>714384209
>Why would we do that?
we are the example of how a western, constitutional democracy should work.
>But that's bullshit.
ok kid, keep believing that a government can increase social spending AND fix a deficit without some trickery in the books
>money comes from nowhere
>>714383657
Bill clinton had a budget surplus while Reagan fucked the economy. Your point?
>>714384209
Context is really important and by looking at other examples you can understand what happened and why. It's literally just being more educated on the subject.
>>714384425
You are kidding right?
>>714384503
>>money comes from nowhere
we know. we know. why the fuck do you keep repeating this shit over and over. we know. we have this in mind when formulating solutions to problems.
seriously, you guys are stupid fucking knuckle draggers.
fuck fuck fuck. you are fucking stupid.
>>714384372
thats if your on the assistance program for the disabled. if your on welfare your automaticaly in this program. if your a healthy joe that does not pay his medical the rate for a hospital visit (in BC) is approx $500
>>714384503
Obama reduced military spending, leveraged debt, and increased taxes.
>>714384672
your fury sustains me
and I will stop repeating it when you actually get it (i dont think you have)
>>714384729
Shitty, I'm in Ontario but I'm not on any assistance. I fairly recently had to go to emerg and it cost me an ambulance fee and that is it. I have literally never heard of anyone in Ontario being charged for medical treatment.
>>714382128
the US didn't have a personal income tax on the citizenry before the 1920-1930s.
and functioned pretty well between 1777 and then.
>>714384672
U mad?
Ffs wake up sheeple!
>>714384799
>reduced military spending
sold off assets
>leveraged debt
sold off assets (there is a huge economic explanation for this)
the taxes are the only new money that came in there, it was assuredly the smaller of the 3.
>>714384101
that is an interesting difference. in the US I see health care plans that are about 275$. There have been rate hikes going to 400$ a month for some of my friends, with bullshit rules like this plan isn't available if you're under 30, or companies just pulling the cheaper plans out and only selling more expensive ones (bait and switch) whether you see a doctor or not all year, and even if you go in then you still have to pay a deductible 500-2,000 for the visit.
If you didn't get healthcare you had to pay a fine that increased every year, starting at a few hundred going to a few thousand depending on your income, increasing every year to make you buy it. You would still have to deal with hospitable bills as well if you had any.
If i'm paying a quarter of my rent each month for nothing and still have to pay a deductible for a visit wtf am i getting? just paying for poor illegals, diabetics and blacks, there is literally no reward for being fit or healthy.
This is my real problem. I hate perpetuating the idea that if you live carefully, too bad no advantage. Even if you want to risk and have no coverage you still pay that penalty.
Democrats hate people being responsible for themselves, and healthcare is priced so high because insurance companies pay it.
>>714384991
it is under provincial jurisdiction so maybe your system is just better? or maybe more of your income tax goes towards medical so they dont need the fee...
Sorry sjws but the tanks just about dry
>>714385115
>i can't defend my BS so i'll just repeat my BS
Nice try.
Nozickean minimal state. most plausible theory I've seen so far.
>>714385219
holy fuck man im sorry.
have a look at this
http://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/health/health-drug-coverage/msp/bc-residents/premiums
my provinces medical premiums
>>714385297
I love thoes melted titties
>>714379235
Yes. You pay the government for safety, a place to live, education, etc. The real question is: Shoyuld the government have the right to be retarded with your tax money.
>>714385357
>i cant accept that my government tricked me so ill just resort to petty banter
>>714385444
>>714385219
This is what /pol/ means to say makes them angry, but doesn't actually know how it works.
>>714385559
>they don't think it is like it is but it do?
What is the federal tax rate? maybe you're paying thousands more and that equals out? probably not, fucking america
here is ours, you have to pay deductibles too mind you and we have an out of pocket on top of premiums, makes me sick for someone healthy that needs no care or medication every year.
>>714383252
Funny how they stop replying.
>>714379235
Depends. Which government? The idealistic government or the actual, real world government?
Ideally, yes. Same goes for regulation. In theory.
In practice, the government has failed us. All of us. The global establishment in which we are all a part of taxes us, uses tax dollars to fund terror groups and dictatorships, while simultaneously using the unrest caused by these terror groups and dictatorships to further support the military industrial complex. This cycle continues while education programs suffer.
TL;DR - In theory yes, in practice, fuck the government. But I pay taxes anyways because fuck going to jail
>>714385786
>my mom does it for me and/or i'm below 26 so i don't know
more this
>>714385969
You really don't understand how insurance works, do you?
Do you have home owners, car or life insurance?
Do you see how that works?
>>714379753
Every one of those things can exist without government at a lower price an with better quality. Taxation I theft. Using the threat of violence to force anyone to surrender anything of value is theft.
>>714385525
>i have no proof to backup my BS claims so your a fool
>>714386176
ah! I don't get fined for not having those by the government, this one i do, why is that? thats no longer insurance, that is IRS enforced mandatory purchasing. you see the difference don't you?
>>714382718
I know right? The fucking Government takes my fucking hard earned money and spends it on paving roads for retarded rednecks to drive their trucks to the liquor store. I work from home, why should I have to pay for their fucking roads, they should do it themselves! Roads are not a right, if they want them I say they go out there and pave them themselves since rooting through soil like animals is all their alchohol ravaged brains are capable of. And why the fuck am I spending money on a military? I have a revolver if any foreign powers trespasses on my land I'll just fucking shoot them, so why do I need to pay taxes for that? Finally why the fuck is my money going to pay for the education of children I'll never have? If I wanted them smart I'd teach them myself!
Oh wait, I forgot that as a nation our money is pooled and distributed equally for the common good of our country, it's people, and it's future.
>>714386176
ACA is terrible because it tried to go halfway. Either free market competition to provide the best plans, or very strict regulation/complete take over by the government. Halfway is fucking the country over.
>>714379235
Should they? Who knows. They do anyways. Nobody does anything they should. In all reality, the entire monetary system in which our global society is built upon is illegal as fuck.
wwyd?
>>714384517
Budget surplus by using Social Security to pay for his programs while simultaneously encouraging the lead up to the dot com and real estate bubble bursts while benefiting from the short term tax profits.
>>714386181
You agree to taxation when you work in that country. If you don't like getting taxed when you work, go to another country
>>714386785
whoops, wrong thread. Take pic of this hottie as an apology.
Also taxes are good! More taxes the better
>>714386785
Tax them
>>714386497
Too bad i don't vote on what my money goes to.
like the nonsensical food pyramid they spent millions to develop and market so they could scrap it a few years later.
I wish it mostly went to roads and education, it would cheap and a better cause. You've never worked with government contractors have you? and you don't Bremen food pyramid antics because you're too young
>>714386497
or speed cameras on roads that cause accidents. or Millions on tazers for cops that just end up shooting people anyway.
>>714387114
In a way you do, the road outside of your house probably costs more a year to maintain than you pay in taxes. That means the money you spend and then some goes to maintaining that road.
>>714386312
http://www.forbes.com/sites/merrillmatthews/2011/07/13/what-happened-to-the-2-6-trillion-social-security-trust-fund/#553c06476153
>>714387206
>>714387206
Speeding causies those accidents, not the presence of cameras. Similarly the human condition will ensure we never have a perfectly just police force as we can never have perfect humans to maintain it.
>>714387048
Kekek
>>714387256
how is that voting where my money goes?
I've seen innercity schools with new computers and playground equipment better than anythign I grew up with, the kids play in dumpsters instead and smash the computers .I've seen this first hand.
Not to mention section 8 housing, build it for them, they ruin your neighborhood and in return they destroy it and cry disadvantage or das rasus when you ask them to act like a civilized person.
>>714387114
>Imma fat cos of bad pyramid
TLDR
>>714386335
Have a car?
Think you won't pay a fine for not having insurance even if you don't wreck?
That's because so many people didn't have insurance to help pay for the one who needed it.
>>714379235
what's going on in that image?
>>714387256
> the road outside of your house probably costs more a year to maintain than you pay in taxes
if you don't drive, maybe
if you actually drive, no, that road outside your house does not cost nearly what you pay in taxes
>>714387584
>limit 55
>camera coming up
>heavy traffic
>every slams on their brakes slows to 35 causing traffic jam and rear end collisions
I see this every day. You either don't drive alot or don't have them
https://www.motorists.org/issues/red-light-cameras/increase-accidents/
>>714386620
You can't have free market in health insurance.
You're literally talking about people's lives.
The ACA was set up so States would take the Medicaid expansion. But no... the fucking Repubs had to turn that down in their States because - Obama = bad.
>Medicare for all
>>714387765
I could ride the subway and not have a car.
the ACA I can't choose to not have a body.
>kill yourself then
yup thats the joke, only rich people would the leeches get rewarded for living
that obvious double post OP, u know most of this site is below the bell curve, but consider stepping up ur subtlety game
functional government is voluntary, if you use something, you exchange for it.
business that relys on using roads should be the only ones paying to maintain them, no one else wears them down as much as these true parasites do, elite moochers want us to pay for for their corporate welfare, the true queens.
>>714387630
Better than having our streets crowded with homeless, gangs of children accosting you in urban centers, and our cities choked by slums. Such is the fate of every country that can't care for its unfortunate.
As for the computers for every ungrateful child who squanders the resources we give him there is one who sees the world beyond his street corner and will use what we give him to escape from the squalor he was born into.
>>714388101
You think public transportation is in rural America?
>kek
>>714388096
Ignoring that medicaid is a very poorly run program, with a lot of ass backwards regulations and money going to other flawed programs? It was denied based on the merit of the program itself.
>>714388268
Its already like that, walk around Baltimore kid
>>714388277
my POINT is that health insurance is being pushed on you whether you want it or not and that is absolutely true, can you not see that? the Government is punishing you for not buying a product from a private company that "competes" with others, but not really
>>714388326
>medicaid is a very poorly run program
Because it's left up to the individual States to run it.
You ain't telling me nothing I haven't experienced 1st hand. But it was better then what we had before and a step to move towards Medicare for all.
>>714388268
>As for the computers for every ungrateful child who squanders the resources we give him there is one who sees the world beyond his street corner and will use what we give him to escape from the squalor he was born into.
if only that were true. paying attention and doing well in school is "Selling out" in some cultures
parental values (how they stress education to their kids) matter way, way more than money spent on educators/equipment in schools
>>714388839
>some cultures
black american culture for one.
>>714382394
Any sane person can see the percentage spent on military is far too low; most of the rest of this shit properly belongs at the state level.
>>714388699
My POINT is that everyone needs healthcare. Maybe not today but you're gonna have to use it sometime.
That's why healthcare needs to be a pool.
>>714387892
That might be true but it goes without saying that the amenities we enjoy everyday, including but not limited to the safety and security we take for granted couldn't be payed for from our own pocket.
>>714387943
Those cameras are meant to deter unsafe drivers from endangering the lives of those around them. It's not societies fault that there are people who care so little about their lives and the lives of those around them that they'd risk everything to shave minutes off their commute.
>>714388555
Baltimore has paved roads, library's, and hospitals. It has schools free for everyone and food available and cheap. My our standards it's uninhabitable but it's poverty can't hold a candle to the humanistic nightmare that is the unwashed masses of the old world.
>>714388818
>Medicare for all
You tell 'em comrade.
>>714389076
Then give me a proportionate discount because I can climb a fence, do a pullup and run a mile and don't smoke. Because i'm using a fraction of the "equal" amount
>>714389096
>unsafe driver
>6 mph over the limit on a straight 3 lane road with no cars at night.
>took high speed driving course
muh zero tolerance! Makes a rule and make it in stone eh?
>>714389178
>don't smoke
That's already in there.
And there have been plenty of health oriented programs offered through the workplace that gave discounts for utilizing them on your insurance premium.
>>714389076
>everyone needs healthcare
>healthcare needs to be a pool
That's quite a leap in logic there skippy.
>>714389009
>>714382394
people who make this chart are trying to further their agenda through deliberate misinformation
>>714389458
The $$$ needs to be in a pool so those who need more then they can afford get the care they need Pal.
Come back when you actually have some life experience and comprehend that.
>>714388839
>>714388926
Then you can take comfort in knowing that our countries universities are brimming with people of every race, creed, and background pursuing a life their ancestors could only dream of. Every minority youth you see behind the desk of a hotel or behind the wheel of a taxi cab gets up for work every day because they believe it will get them somewhere, because they believe they have a future. There will always be those willing to profit off the hardwork or misfortune of others but as long as men wake up each day with the will to change and ambition burning in their hearts society will grow and prosper.
>>714389924
>Then you can take comfort in knowing that our countries universities are brimming with people of every race, creed, and background pursuing a life their ancestors could only dream of
I went to a reasonably well ranked university, and aside form the STEM majors it seemed most of the people I saw thought they were doing the world a favor by studying some form of victims studies or another
>>714389844
how does any of this involve the government?
the government and the doctors cartel is why healthcare is so expensive in the first place you fucking retard
>>714385013
Yeah because we had slaves.
>>714379235
If only government would tax and burn the money, people would be freer, safer and happier
>>714390179
What is perhaps the greatest American ideal is the idea of the individual, that we are free to explore our own needs, to grow, to designate our lives to the pursuit of that which inspires us. Some will harness the curiosity that makes man great to unravel the mysteries of the natural world, others will turn their gaze upon a society in torment and seek to help it, but first they must understand it. Both pursuits are noble, and both would be directionless without the other. What good does raw knowledge do without a worthy cause to apply it to? And what use are good intentions without the means to see them through?
>>714387324
>makes me turn off AdBlock to view
>article is behind a paywall anyway
Nigga
>>714389924
>life ancestors could only dream of
>regurgitating misinformation and paying for it for a scroll that guarantees debt and peanut wage
>they believe
real subtle troll, made me smirk, you'll get yours
The government doesnt build roads, i do and the contracts are private companies.
>>714392823
Hey everyone! It's the road builder guy! I can't believe you built all those roads. That's a lotta asphalt man. Great job on Jefferson man. Adams is still all fucked up though, what are you doing on 4chan? Go fix Adams, its got potholes the size of my bathtub
>>714392686
>college is a detriment to your future
Nice meme, bro!
>>714392823
>deliberately ignores who PAYS for the roads
Nice low IQ, bro!
>>714392686
The paper itself is worthless, its the lifetime of knowledge imbued upon us that gives us the power to shape the life we want for ourselves.
>>714392686
You are such a little entitled faggot.
Seriously, wtf.
Stop imagining life as your own story, in which everyone tries to screw you over. Think about the positive side. You most likely still have a full set of teeth, and don't have to literally crack your back 10-12 hours a day for 8 out of 10 months. You have internet to bitch in, any kind of movie-story-book-game available to you, and you whine you have to work for most of your life for that?
Earth is cruel and unforgiving. Everything you have was carved from it by humanity throughout all of it history. If you don't like it - you are still free to go live alone in Africa or Siberia. I doubt anyone is going to look for you and bring you back.
>>714379235
That eyeball is fucked
