Should we lower the age of consent? people under 18 watch porn all the time aniway.
How low should it be?
4
>>712970687
12 and over 150 cm tall to protect the small people from getting obliterated
>>712970687
>Should we lower the age of consent? people under 18 watch porn all the time aniway.
That's...not actually an argument for lowering the age of consent. It's not actually an argument at all. You just asked a question and stated a fact that is at best tangentially related.
Look, let me do the same shit, see if you can spot the flaw.
>Should we lower the age to legally purchase a handgun? People under 21 play first person shooters all the time.
See, it's a non-sequitur.
>>712970687
After 9 years old no secks
>>712970918
agreed
i think 15 is reasonable. i would rape girls less if that was law
>>712970804
>>712970984
Sure we should
>>712970687
UK here 16 is age of consent.
>>712971116
Maybe. But no good reason has been given why we should.
>>712971084
In Denmark it's 15
>>712970804
too old
>>712970687
>>712970804
>>712970918
>>712971084
i really dont want to get fellow 4channers in trouble, but i will report you all as pedophiles if it means keeping the integrity of the site
>>712970984
>That's...not actually an argument, but let me REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>712971278
>implying pedophilia is illegal
retard
>>712971278
Ironic shitpostin, is still shitposting, you shitposter
we should raise it to 40 for the laughs
>>712970687
The age of consent isn't about kids not having sex, its about kids not getting pregnant.
>>712971278
>integrity
>>712971353
What? I'm making a legitimate point, a minor consuming sexual media does not equate to them having the physical or emotional maturity to engage in sex acts, particularly not with much older people. They lack the responsibility.
OP's 'argument'...hold on, that wasn't enough disdain quotes. OP's ' " ' * " 'argument' " * ' " ' is akin to asking if we should lower the driving age because plenty of kids younger than fifteen have watched auto races or played Gran Turismo. It's a meaningless statement.
Time to go to the polls
https://strawpoll.de/95534x8
>>712971492
But how are teen pregnancies bad? I'd lower age of concent 1-2 years from 18
Teens don't learn any parenting skills because they're not expected to be a parent.
>>712971743
The age to start driving is going up when I think it should be 14-16. I think 18 year olds are adults at that point, but they are stunted in todays world.
>>712971492
Kids wouldn't be getting pregnant if conservative fuckwits would stop teaching abstinence-only sex ed and defunding planned parenthood.
Just show them how to put the condom on the banana, give them birth control, and let them fuck like rabbits.
>>712972425
I had pretty informative sex ed, yet I still had a girlfriend at 18 who thought she could get pregnant from a blowjob
>>712971492
you cant prego a 6yo
specially if its a boy ay
>>712970687
You're confusing age of consent with age of majority
I think people should set their own ages of consent. I don't think the State has any business deciding who can breed with whom.
>>712970687
Age of consent is 14 where I live, so, ayyy :D
>>712971084
It already is 14 where I live :3
>>712970687
Because everyone develops at different speeds having a uniform age is fucking retarded. I say you take a test designed to gage if you grado the concepts and show that you're emotionally ready for sex. Can be at any age. Then you get a piece of ID to verify you're ready so thereal no excuse for ignorance. People who don't want to have sex just decline to take the test until they're ready for sex.
>>712972679
>you cant prego a 6yo
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_youngest_birth_mothers
>>712970687
the age of consent in sweden is like 14 or 15. but my swedish friend said you're still called a pedo anyways for fucking a 14 year old lol
Should be 6, nuff said
>>712975036
Same in Germany. It's legal, but not socially acceptable.
age consent in washington state is 16, with no age difference limit.
>>712973352
where is that?
>>712972567
I see people this fucking retarded every day.
>>712975021
Then why is illegal if its biologically possible the breeding with minors?
>>712970984
>*tips fedora*
australia doesn't have a legal age per say, it's more guidelines
you can fuck girls as young as about 14 without any real questions, and any younger, it's more just "Come on lad, what the fuck ay" while still being (mostly) okay
>>712975430
That triggered me.
I Think it shouldn't be controlled by a government it's like telling you what you can do and what you can't I can't stand that >:(
>>712970687
Age of consent in PA is 16 with someone no older than 4 years. I've heard that the gap is only 3 years, but I'm fairly certain that the law states it as 4 years.
>>712971278
4chan has safe harbor law on its side.
You're thinking of re.ddit, which does not. You have to go back.
>>712971278
"integrity of the site"
being this new
Such a thing never existed
In the town I live (UK so age of consent is 16) there are teen pregnancies fucking everywhere (mostly 13-14yo) so really nobody here gives a fuck about age of consent. Guess I now have a reason to go back to school kek
>>712975269
Re-read the RCW. Washington does have the "60 month" clause if one is under 18.
Im 46 and had a 16 year old wanting my dick bad so I researched it and she was just enough of a drama whore for me to nope.jpg
I lost my virginity at 13 and so did 3 of my friends, most people i know were fucking around the age of 13/14.
Kids have sex. A lot.
I had sex with a much older person at 13. And my friemd lost his virginity to his babysitter which was 19.
Lets stop pretending as if kids are these innocent fagile little pettals that need their hands held. I mean yeah the majority of kids that age are dumb retards but a good portion of them are not.
>>712975393
because it's biologically impossible for a child to care for herself (let alone it's own baby), that's when social responsibility comes into play.
Think of what a 5-6 yr old can do. They can't read well or write at all for starters. Even a McDonald's burger-flipper/janitor need some level of basic education to do the job. What will a 5 year old do to make a livable wage?
You can't expect the grandparents to help support her. Most likely the father/grandfather raped the kid to begin with, and will be in jail the entire time.
No socialization or life-skill at all, how can a 5 year old teach this kid anything?
Give it up to an orphanage, foster care? Yeah, because that system isn't already over-burdened with ratchet babies already.
it already is legal to fuck a 12 year as a 16 year old here in my country. start early and fuck premium pussy, betafags
>>712971353
>>712975430
rofl this website is teaching teenagers to be such retarded autists.
>>712976222
You can replace the age with any number and this holds true. Don't know how strong of a point it is.
Age of consent is only 18 in a couple States OP
Pic related
>>712979000
WTF, you have to be 19 to fuck in FL??
>>712979163
You are color blind
It's 18
In England you can fuck a 16 year old. But they can't watch porn. And if you film yourself fucking them, you've created paedophillia.
>>712979163
No
>>712976222
That's why you should only be allowed to blast on their face/in their mouth. Only cumming inside should be illegal.
>>712970984
How about this
There are many people under 18 who are sexually mature and want sex, and who have had sex before 18.
The thing is playing a first person shooter doesnt indicate a desire to shoot a gun or indicate that biologically you are ready whereas getting off to porn usually indicates biologically you want/are ready for sex.
>>712971278
This is 4chan, fuck off
>>712970687
The age of consent should be relative.
If a 19 yo guy fuck a 16 yo girl, how coul it be rape ?
If a 16 yo girl fuck a 15 yo guy, how could we be against it ?
>>712971492
That's really dumb
>Hey kids, no sex! Haha, they'll totally listen and won't get pregnant
>They have sex anyway but since it's illegal they can't tell anyone and its more difficult to get a condom or birth control, meaning they're gonna have a baby they wouldnt have had if they didnt need to hide their activities
Just give your teens condoms/the pill. Sex Ed that doesnt demonize sex but instead shows them how to use condoms correctly. And now all those teens who had sex with their partner arent on a sex offender registry for the rest of their lives and dont have as many kids, all while getting off! Excellent!
>>712970687
It's 16 here and i feel it would be perfect if they had better sex-ed at school.
Middle school regardless of age. Any more that is when they are beginning to have sex and most of them have had sex ed anyways
>>712972567
Proving a favorite point of mine
There are already adults that are far more retarded than some minors, and they will always be this retarded. At some age, people start to be mature/immature/smart/dumb individually - age factors in as it does for everything in life but past a certain point its individual people who have their own problems. It isnt against the law to fuck a dumb adult, so the whole "teens arent ready" or "teens are too stupid" argument is retarded. I can go find some ditzy headed girl that has less complex thoughts than my dog and I can fuck her legally.
>>712979305
>if you film yourself fucking them, you've created paedophillia.
Are you retarded?
sex-ed is shit is texas
it's all like "oh yeah i guess you can wear a condom BUT CONDOMS CAN BREAK THE ONLY WAY TO NOT GET PREGNANT IS ABSTINENCE"
>>712979865
How so?
Is it legal to have pictures of an undressed 16 year old?
>>712974809
>>712973025
I think this is a good solution. With something like sex if you're pushing to have it that means youre probably going to end up having it sometime soon. Make it coercing it a crime/put a cap on age difference. Maybe say you 12 and up can determine age of consent or just say 12 and up can fuck whoever within a certain age range - and this age range will gradually increase as you get older till you can fuck anyone.
>>712971792
Because they are a burden on society. They leech tax dollars that come from my check because they couldn't use contraception or just keep their pants on
>>712975646
>tfw you and your qt underaged girlfriend cant go fuck in a state with lower age of consent laws because the age difference cap
>>712971743
the problem with your argument is that it ignores the fact kids are having sex before 18 anyway, so the comparison of games simulating it isnt as well thought out as you think
because its happening
>>712979983
it's not called creating pedophilia, it's called creating child porn you dingus
>>712979983
Yes, if it's nudity and nothing more. Nudism websites do it all the time.
>>712976199
nice dubs
>>712976222
Nice trips. I would agree with you but their are adults in real life that are very dumb, they would crash and burn without others around them caring for them.
I think 5-6 year olds are very incapable, but you cant really say a 13 year old is always incapable compared to adults. Theres varying levels of capability. So while its ridiculous to have the aoc be 5, having it at 13 seems fair.
>>712970687
16 in uk
>>712979983
Pedophilia is the primary sexual attraction to prepubescent children.
If you film a 16 year old having sex, you haven't "created paedophillia". You have produced child pornography as 16 is viewed as a child by law.
Also, you must be at least 18 to post on this website, kid.
pretty much all civilised societies besides the US have it around 14-16 so absolutely. i know america like to toot their horn a lot but theyre hardly right about everything, and theyre sure as fuck wrong about not just sex but the way they teach their kids
>>712980098
Yah. Or just, what if coercing sex on somebody was always a crime, because it is. And legal restrictions beyond that is excessive, because rape (i.e. coerced sex) is already a crime. Coerced touching is already called "battery."
We can suppose that parents / guardians automatically hold children in duress, and obviously can restrict any relationship (including getting a restraining order if they don't stay away) so long as they're custody. Because grounding your kids for not sucking you off is pretty rapey.
But aside from that, let the people breed as they wish. And if you're really determined to get preggers at age 13, then find a way to become self reliant from your parents and you have the right.
THAT'S WHAT WOULD MAKE SENSE TO ME.
The age of consent is 16 in almost half the states yet people still think that 18 the norm. Shit 18 is the second to last least common age of consent in America after none at all.
>>712980136
Haha, bro tax dollars come from the Federal Reserve. Your checks mean NOTHING to the government.
NOTHING.
I live in the UK, it's 16 here, also, a lot of US states it's 16 too
>>712980602
And where does the federal reserve get its money? Where does 1/3 of my paycheck go?
Fucking Democrat economcs. No wonder our country is in financial trouble
>>712970687
i think the age of consent should be lowered to the age of 18.
>be me 47 and single after divorce
>best friend passes away from cancer
>best friends wife was in the same class as we were in school that is how we all met
>pop round often to make sure they are all good
>16 year old daughter is having a hard time getting over it
>best friend and I were fishing buddies so I suggest she grabs her dads fishing gear and I'll take her out for the day
>she agrees and we get set up at a favourite lake a few miles down the road
>we talk and laugh about her dad and I tell her some stuff about him from when we were young and silly
>the weather was cool but the sun burned through the cloud and it warmed up a lot
>soon it was T-shirt weather, sitting on the bank talking and not really bothered all that much about the fish
>she sat next to me and rested her head on my arm then from nowhere she rested her hand over my dick and began to rub it through my shorts
>five minutes later I was ploughing her like I've never ploughed a pussy before, her 16 year old pussy is natural viagra
>she was obviously no virgin and after we finished fucking for the second time she turned to me and told me that it was the great sex with her dad she missed the most
>that got me so hard again I fucked her again until nothing but dust came out my prick when I ejaculated
I fucked her regularly for another two years before she joined the navy and went away.
>>712981028
Bullshit
>>712981028
Kek.
>things that never happened
"The stories and information posted here are artistic works of fiction and falsehood.
Only a fool would take anything posted here as fact."
But you have to let yourself become one in the story because it feels so good dam good
>>712981028
lmao
>>712970687
it's 16 in my country. 13 in japan
>>712970687
>Should we lower the age of consent?
consent? what's that?
>itt retards try to bicker over child sexuality while waiting for cp to dump
>>712981028
I LOVE YOU ANON
I'm 26 and 18 year olds already look pretty young to me.. And I wouldn't even go that low to be honest, not because of morals but just because of how much my peers would judge me. Plus how does a 26 year old even pick up 18 year olds? I'm not exposed to many in my daily life, I'd have to deliberately seek them out, which is another inherently creepy thing to do.
>>712982445
>Plus how does a 26 year old even pick up 18 year olds?
I'm 31, I have a nice car, and I go to clubs and bars, if you're doing it right, picking up an 18 year old is easy... Finding one that isn't annoying as fuck is another story
Its not other peoples choice what people are free to do or consent to, its exclusively their choice.
Anon does not aprove of any sort of violence, force or threats of either one. Laws of any kind can only be upheld by threats of (ultimately fatal) force or force itself.
Everyone trying to dictate others what they can do and what not is definately a lowfag.
The only point at which others actions are of concern to anyone is when their freedom is affected negatively.
Is anons freedom affected if two people agree to haveing sex, or eat or butcher each other ? No. So Anon here does not see why he should try to impose himself or his standards onto others by voting, threatening or whatever.
Your age / 2 + 7
Thats the universial formula for who you can and cannot interact with on a sexual level
>>712982445
>wouldn't fuck an 18 year old because of what other people think
What's it like being a massive beta faggot?
>>712970687
Well here in sweden we only have 15 so that's nice.
>implying you'd actually have a shot at fucking a 12 yo if the AoC was 12
>>712982758
I actually really value my friends not thinking that I'm a creep. Honestly I think going the antisocial route, and trying to pick up girls that society thinks are too young for you, is the beta thing to do.
>>712982787 you also have tons of sand niggers killing the shit out of anything that is white, fuck you and your faggot nation of crybabies
>>712980545
I meant coercing a kid to make themselves "legal" if we were to go that route.
I agree with you.
>>712983306
Society doesn't think that, just your loser friends who probably settled for 3/10 bitches their own age who're plain and boring
>>712980713
I'd be in favor of it lowering to 14 or even 12, though Im not in any way attracted to 12 year olds.
>>712982326
>16
>child sexuality
>>712971448
kek
>>712983695
>16
>>712970804
>4
>>712970918
>12
>>712972679
>6
>>712975138
>6
>>712976222
>5-6
>>712980363
>5-6
but thanks for playing (You)
>>712982445
The youngest person I know unrelated to me is 13, the oldest 54, and I just met them through daily life.
Germanfag here, its 14 here, i like it
>>712971768
Whos the faggot who voted 21 gtfo
>>712983306
You dont have to be antisocial to pick up young girls nor do you need to actively look for them to get them. My friends wouldn't care and if they did they wouldnt give me shit over it. You are indeed a beta fag.
>>712982839
I want weed to be legal but will never smoke it myself because I think everyone should have self- agency.
>>712975021
"Yelizaveta "Liza" Gryshchenko was 5 years old when her 70-year-old maternal grandfather raped and impregnated her. She had her 6th birthday several days before giving birth."
Wtf why does this makes me hard ? I'm fucking sick.
>>712970984
do you by any chance wear hermes clothes?
>>712971278
literally dying laffing at this shit right here.
>>712984184
Because its instinct to breed? Sure you don't want to go around and get a little girl like that pregnant but the thought that they did get pregnant is the thing that does it...
>>712984066
Despite assertive claims and dubs I really, really don't think that I am.
Have a nice day :)
>>712970687
Should we legalize robbery? Niggers steal all the time anyway.
Youngest girl I've ever had sex with was 16, although I had just turned 18. I don't see the problem with 15 or 16, I seriously doubt many guys in their late 20s or 30s would even go after girls that young, let alone have a chance. In my state, the age of consent is 17, which honestly I feel like is alright. Met and fucked current gf when she was 17 and I was 21, so eh. That young pussy mang
>>712971492
It's not about getting pregnant. It's about preventing older, presumably, more mature people from taking advantage of younger kids. Or really, it lays the ground for putting mentally unstable adults away for fucking kids.
>>712976413
>rofl
>>712971492
Agreed. That's why young boys should be fair game. No mental damage and no risk of pregnancy
>>712984938
Young girls are great to fuck, the only reason I bought a truck
>>712985178
>>712970687
>Should we lower the age of consent?
how else are we gonna make america great again?
>>712970804
>>712985291
the fuck? where did you find this picture of my friend?
>>712979865
yes this is why i think the uk is pure retard
>you<18 already having sex the problem is when a parent states that their child is unable to consent to the activity they are already doing and hence punishes the other partner of rape when the sex was non-legally-recognizable consent.
tl;dr parents and society own children (Youth Emancipation Suffrage )
be on the right side of herstory
>>712971278
>integrity of the site
best bait ever m8
>>712985552
she was my fav
>>712985556
>>712985555
>>712970687
just to grind your gears OP
http://abovethelaw.com/2013/12/in-defense-of-the-rich-white-boy-who-killed-four-people-and-got-away-with-it/
https://search.yahoo.com/search?p=black+kids+tried+as+adults&fr=yset_chr_cnewtab&type=default
you're adult if your a minority (ESPECIALLY BLACKIE)
but if your white you get to use i'm minor get out of jail card
this double cheeseburger
>>712976199
It's not illegal for minors to have sex with each other though, so what's the problem?
>>712986104
Wow someone in this bread with a little common sense. Based anon gets it. Young kids are still more impressionable and some adults know how to abuse this. Those are the people this law is for. It is for the perverts.
>>712984412
You too anon.
>>712984567
>Stealing, something bad that results in someone being hurt 100% of the time
>Sex, something good that can go wrong sometimes but most of the time results in happy people and good feelings
>>712984938
But there are adults that can be taken advantage of. Is it illegal to fuck an adult if we're taking advantage of them?
>>712971278
kekekekeke I'm telling the internet police on you!
>>712986785
But a 16 year old should be able to fuck an 18 year old. And a teen sending nude pics to her teen boyfriend ends up with both of them getting charged with child porn.
>>712987458
The FBI must have the most incredible database of teen nudes
>>712987695
Ive wondered if I should become part of the FBI just for the porn and relative safety from the gov.
>>712987458
I mean there are laws that allow this but you are right, some people get fucked over for it. This is a sign that the laws need reformed to not ruin their lives, not lower the age on consent. It'd be easier, but it allows the perverts in too.
Age of consent in France is 15, unless the partner has some sort of authority (a parent, a teacher, etc.)
There are more restrictions: you shall not take erotic/porn pictures of a minor. You shall not show porn to a minor, not take a minor to an orgy. Also, big restriction, you shall not undermine parental authority.
These laws are quite complex and somewhat vague, so judges can do their job. A 15 yo that had sex with a 14yo would not be condemned. Judges will actually assess how much a less than 15 yo has consented: in some borderlines case, the defendant may be condemned to a fine or probation.
What's sick is the US system, which bypass the judges and can in some cases heavily condemn people for nothing or almost nothing, and make them pariah for all their life.
>>712987889
But why not lower age of consent? 15 year olds and 18 year olds should be able to fuck.
We dont want adults fucking teens because we think they're incapable but the truth is there are adults thare are just as incapable as some teens and some teens that are perfectly capable. Its not illegal to fuck naive or stupid adults, and the concept of a "teenager" is a new one to society anyway. Used to be you hit puberty and more adult things were expected of you then.
When I was younger fucking a 20 something would have done me no harm.
>>712976222
>You can't expect the grandparents to help support her. Most likely the father/grandfather raped the kid to begin with, and will be in jail the entire time.
You just summarized niggers... Well done...
>>712970687
No age limit. The kids don't care and are not interested either.
13-20 year olds should be able to boink each other
But if you're over 20 you should have to wait until they're 16
>>712972881
Maturity you clown
>>712988867
You took away from that that I don't think underage kids should be allowed to fuck? That shows how incapable you really are. What I was saying is that the US laws need reformed so underage kids don't have their lives ruined for sending each other some skin pics and an 18 yr old should not be automatically charged as a sex offender because the others parent can't accept the fact that their kid is having sex.
>>712979442
He already knows about your second point you made (you obviously didn't read what he said) but the argument you made:
>There are many people under 18 who are sexually mature and want sex, and who have had sex before 18
is actually a good argument, which is what >>712970984
was saying since OP's argument was just as dumb as the FPS argument:
>Should we lower the age of consent? people under 18 watch porn all the time aniway.
OP's argument may as well be something to the effect of
>children should be legal to fuck as soon as they watch porn
OP is a fag
>>712989460
>This is a sign that the laws need reformed to not ruin their lives, not lower the age on consent.
I took away that you would still leave it illegal for 20 somethings to fuck 15 year olds. I say dont just lessen punishment, get rid of it. You implied youd simply make it not "life ruining." Theres a big gap between illegal and life ruining.
>>712989894
I don't really think a 20 yr old should be fucking a 15 yr old but I've seen it. I mean when I was 20 I was not exactly interested in a god damn 15 yr old. That being said, you have somewhat of a point. However the problem I'm trying to point out is that if you get rid of that age limit, you open the doors to middle aged people looking to take advantage of kids. That is unacceptable to open that up.
>>712979000
Moving to Mexico
>>712970984
FPS has nothing to do with the sexuality of a person.
Watching porn on the other hand has everything to do with the sexuality and sexual drive of a person.
Non-sequitur my ass.
>>712990255
Thing is there ARE teens that want middle aged cock/pussy. Their sexuality is not naturally limited to people their age. And while you wouldnt go for someone that young there are plenty who would. Theres a lot of natural attraction between a variety of ages that's illegal for pretty much no reason.
They may be taken advantage of and they may not, just like regular adults. We give that age group much less credit than they deserve. And it isnt illegal for me to take advantage of an adult's situation to fuck them.
And sometimes even if youre being taken advantage of, you dont mind it. It isnt always negative to the person being used.
Sex ed might be able to help kids figure out where they can go if they feel abused/know how to not get pregnant before highschool ends.
>>712975477
Bullshit. AOC in Australia is 16, with the only exception being if somebody from the US travels to Australia, in which case the AOC is raised to 18 for that US citizen because of the "no travel for sex with minors" law. Also for Australians traveling to other countries, the AOC is magically raised to 18, even though if they stayed in Australia they could still legally fuck somebody younger than that. AOC is also complicated if there is "a relationship of responsibility", so for example if you are a sports coach, teacher, doctor, etc, you can't have sex with somebody in your care even if they have reached the AOC. Also marriage of somebody under 18 is only legal with parental consent, which means you can fuck the living daylights out of your 16 or 17 year old girlfriend, but you can't marry them. Even weirder, with parental consent a 15 year old can be married, but because they're technically under the AOC (16) you can't legally fuck your own wife if you travel to another state.
>>712979983
And the reason why that law says 18 for pics/video but 16 for the act is because they want to make America happy. That is the only reason why the age of consent in the entire civilized world except for the US is 16 but universally across the entire world the legal porn age is 18 (some western european countries claim it is 17, but that's just so they can sell more... those "17 year olds" are all safely over 20).
>>712970687
I think it should be relative.
For example: say the age of consent was 14. A 35 year old shouldn't be able to sleep with a 14 year old though, but there should be nothing stopping someone who is 18. The age goes up 1 year per how old the youngest person is, so if they turned 15 someone who was 19 would be able to sleep with them, 16-20, 17-21, and as soon as they hit 18 the door would open and they would be able to sleep with anyone they wanted.
>>712982692
So in your universe, a 40 year old would go to jail for having sex with a 26 year old? Sounds legit...
>>712993114
Yeah but Bert would be a cunt and try to block it.
15 is pretty reasonable
