So crime has been increasing in my neighborhood in particular burglaries and robberies. Theres been 3 murders in the past 6 months. So Im trying to talk to my mom to get a gun but she's completely anti-gun. My dad wants one but he also wants pussy from my mom so he's just sitting on the sidelines for this. How do I convince my mom on getting one.
Her arguments
> more likely getting killed by your on gun rather than a strangers gun
> we have a 3 year old
> unwanted attention
>not a good time to get one with the political thing going on right now
> lived in New York City in the 80s and early 90s during the height of the crack cocaine war and know what harm they bring ( gun violence)
> more bad than good
>>712803199
Did you consider that she might be right?
Get one anyway. just don't tell your mum. I'd rather have a chance with my own gun then be target practice for some nigger...
>>712803199
>don't tell people in the house that there's a fucking gun in the house.
Yeah. Don't do that, you retard.
You clearly shouldn't have a gun. The fact that you needed to start this thread should be proof of that. You won't have the discipline or respect for any weapon.
that said, kill yourself. no skin off my nose and one fewer retard to deal with.
Bring her out to a shooting range as a surprise. Give her a double-barreled shotgun.
Bitches love double-barreled shotguns.
>>712803199
>not a good time to get one with the political thing going on right now
Eh?
for the first point, "not if you learn gun safety"
number 2, "lock up the gun in a gun safe or something"
3, "get a concealed carry permit"
4, "there's no reason to do so, if we already have a permit"
5, "well we wont kill anyone, will we?"
6, "theyre more bad than good, in the wrong hands that is. if we know how and when to use it, then itll be ok."
>>712803199
More likely to be killed by own gun only if you count suicides, which no sane person would consider a danger.
Unwanted attention from who? don't brandish it.
Politics are great for buying gun now, they are cheap because rednecks aren't trying to buy them before Obama takes them.
Gun violence sucks, being helpless around gun violence sucks way fucking more. Guns don't magically bring violence with them, your mom sounds dumb as hell
>>712803199
>>712803868
BOTH SIDES MAKE SENSE, THIS IS WHY I CAN'T DO POLITICS... except Hillary is a lying bitch who should be locked up. That's the only thing that does make sense.
>>712803970
>Guns don't magically bring violence with them
this is what gunfags actually believe.
>>712803405
This.
Feelings trump facts for gun enthusiasts, but your mom's offering mostly facts here. Thank your dad for picking a woman with a brain in her head.
And quit panicking, do you really think you're going to become Jason Borne just because you buy a glock?
>>712804071
>except Hillary is a lying bitch who should be locked up
except that no one has been able to prove anything in 20+ years.
You're just a gullible piece of shit.
>>712803199
> more likely getting killed by your on gun rather than a strangers gun
that statistic always includes suicides.
> we have a 3 year old
B-B-BUT BABYPROOFING IS HARD
> unwanted attention
from literally no one, since no one will care
>not a good time to get one with the political thing going on right now
not even an argument wtf
> lived in New York City in the 80s and early 90s during the height of the crack cocaine war and know what harm they bring ( gun violence)
B-B-BUT THOSE POOR CRACKHEADS!
she's fucking stupid. those druggies deserved to die.
> more bad than good
objective opinion
really, op, she's just another brainwashed idiot. there's no way you can talk to her about it since the only shield she holds is her feelings.
Ask your mom what her plan is for when Tyrone and Ja'Quon get cracked out and start trying to kick in her door looking for loot. She going to fight them off with harsh language?
>>712803199
A guy is generally more likely to shoot you if you pull a gun on him.
>>712803199
RIP
>>712804407
Lol 10/10
Criminals are lazy. They see a visible burglar alarm from the street, they are gonna think the house is too much hassle and find a house that doesn't have one.
A gun locked away safely isn't gonna deter shit, nobody is even gonna know about it. Odds are, first possum that comes into the house you're gonna shoot your mom anyway.
Tell her to choose between a fat bull dog or a shotgun
>>712804407
common sense anti gun fags can't wrap their heads around
>>712804254
> Ordered her aids to destroy her multiple devices
> Claims that she doesn’t understand intelligence classification
> Didn’t realize “C” meant confidential KEK
> Hillary hid 17,448 work related emails from state department
> Proven that she sent and received top secret classified information
> The existence of her private server is evidence enough that she was hiding something
> Her gross negligence put Americans at risk
> 4chan shill claims no evidence
You just keep correcting that record, buddy.
>>712805211
Yeah because all those kinds of home invasions start with people banging at your door screaming death threats so every neighbor can see. In real life you wake up being dragged out of your bed or they quietly take your shit and leave while you sleep.
>>712805316
Multiple federal investigations clear her every single time. Some guy on 4chan disagrees.
>>712803199
I live where this board is from, there's no guns, it's a fucking paradise as far as low crime rate...but your country is retarded it seems, so...moving on from that obvious point
>more likely to get killed/hurt an innocent with your own gun
stats show it as true, she's right.
>3 yo son
lock your guns up tight
>unwanted attention
no clue how that could be possible unless you flaunt them around in your front lawn?
>not a good time to get one with the political thing going on right now
that should be the least of your concerns on getting a gun
>NYC 80s/early 90s
yeah, that was insane. i was in uni there in 89-93
it's a mess you guys are in. i come from such a different place that it's almost impossible for me to comprehend how you've gotten yourselves in to such a mess. no guns ffs, it'd be best. but you've got so many idiots saying they need guns to fight the guvment someday which is what the point of your right is to have them (even though your shotgun/rifle/pistol combo won't stop the us military), and somehow people listen to the idiotic rants on how non-gun countries have knife attacks so it's exactly the same and evil can't be extinguished as a reason for guns being ok.
well no shit evil can't be eradicated. guns kill americans by the dozens every day. random knife attacks, while gruesome, are isolated events. america is a joke that can't modernize. funny thing is i'm sure a lot of you faggots don't even know your 2nd amendment, which abides to the idea of a well-regulated militia, not every retard in america. you guys have gone past full-retard, to plaid. you can't even understand your own wording.
>>712805610
Corrupt administration. Let's see what happens when Trump is in office. HEIL TRUMP.
>>712806832
Man I hate that attitude. Investigation disagrees with my views, conspiracy! Its impossible for MEEE to wrong!
>>712806832
>HEIL TRUMP.
This is the shit that scares me, after he already admitted he wasn't going to go after her, his supporters are torn between the whole it was a joke all along and no one took it serious, or Heil Trump like a fucking drone
>>712804217
Her brain might end up on the wall if some crazy fuckers break into the house at three in the morning.
Guns aren't the problem. Stupidity is the problem. His mom's "mostly facts" are actually mostly extrapolations based off of an insignificantly sized random sample of irresponsible firearm owners.
>>712803199
>my mom...completely anti-gun.
>My dad wants one but he also wants pussy from my mom
if he had a gun he could get the pussy from her whenever he wanted
>>712803199
If a person is unwilling to get a gun, they would be useless if given one. Get a gun yourself, but before you do, do your research, learn, train, become proficient in maintenance and use of firearms. Get one suitable for what you want it to do. Home defense? CCW? Target shooting at the range? Hunting? There are models that are exceptional for 1 of the above. Maybe okay for 1-3 others, rarely any suitable for all situations. Reasonable expectations on level of skill you can personally attain is also factored in (what are your physical weaknesses: eyesight, body proportions, etc).
>>712807298
His supporters rave about what a straight shooter he is and that he just says what he means. Then after the election "oh thats not what he meant, he didn't actually mean all that."
>>712803199
>the fact that there's a murder every 2 months means you guys have a way higher chance than normal of being murdered - trumping the gun
>Most people killed by their own gun were committing suicide and these numbers also factor into gun violence
>Put it somewhere a 3 year old cannot reach, this is not hard
>No one should know you have one anyway
>>712806832
>Corrupt administration
Because the Bush admin was so helpful to Hilary's career.
This pathetic infowars/breitbart/stormfront echo chamber you people are in is astounding.
>>712805610
They didn't really "clear" her. They said that she fucked up and what she did was technically illegal (and it had put other people in jail in the past) but eh, she says she didn't mean to, so we're going to let it slide. Clearly done as a political favor, it's fucking disgusting.
>>712807298
In all seriousness, I'm not alone in believing that something wasn't right with the investigation. If a neutral, 3rd party is brought in to investigate, I'd accept the outcome even if there was no indictment.
The worst that would come out of that is that her name is cleared and all doubt is removed.
Wouldn't that be best for everyone involved?
>>712804278
This
The harm was the fucking drugs
>>712807615
They didn't say illegal, they said irresponsible. Most politicians at the time were doing it, but were told to stop when the realized how unsafe it was. She was just one of them.
>>712807453
"Drain the Swamp"
"Build the Wall"
"Jail Crooked Hillary"
"Repeal Obamacare"
All proven bullshit within 2 weeks of winning the election
>>712807398
uh, no. i am not going to get a gun, but i do know how to use one. if i was in a situation and was given one, i'd lay a fucker out as best as the rest of average shooters. the point is nobody should have them to begin with, same as bio weapons, chem weps, nukes, etc. we've long since gone beyond what's needed and are just making a mess of everything, especially the west, china, and russia. my country, sk, singapore, malaysia are all doing so fucking awesome. you guys are tempting fate and are going to fuck everything up b/c you're too stupid to realize it. I don't have you all though. I despise you ineptitude, all the same. You assholes are going to burn the world to the ground at some point.
>>712807748
>Wouldn't that be best for everyone involved?
Except the witch hunt republicans.
>>712807748
Yeah but that neutral party would clear her, everyone would scream conspiracy and infowars would run stories about how the investigator's son got ice cream off Hilary's old high school coach so obviously they're in Hilary's pocket.
>>712805610
feds she has ties with and has met with before
feds that ignored congress and refused to give them all the info
the attorney general is the one that charges her but she has ties to her too
money and position being passed around
>>712803199
Tell her to grow the fuck up and buy one or you'll pay a bunch of niggers to rob the house
>>712807791
You have to be incredibly retarded
"Criminal negligence"
Ever hear of it?
The FBI DID say her actions were illegal, as well as foolish. They were both, numbskull. But they said since it wasnt "intentional" they wouldnt charge her. Which is not actually part of the law, so the FBI and her have both broken the law and we the people cant do shit.
>>712807927
So... you don't want a closer examination.
Obviously it's because you know that she's guilty and you want to keep making $0.35 for each shill post.
>>712808078
Then I'd say she'd be justified in shooting her son.
>>712808167
Are you actually retarded?
Just buy one yourself
Keeping a gun around a 3 year old is not a big deal. All you have to do is not chamber a round. Do you think a 3 year old can rack a shotgun or pull back the slide on a pistol? The answer is no. I have a perfectly healthy 5 year old, who's tall for her age. The other day I showed her how the slide worked on my carry Glock 19, handed it to her, and asked her to pull it back (yes it was fucking unloaded). Try as she might, her hands did not have the sufficient strength or dexterity to do it, not even close. I doubt she'd do better with a shotgun, but maybe I'll try that too for the lols.
For the record, I have a large firearm collection, and have 3 defense guns placed around the house. None of them are accessible to a preteen.
>>712807876
It's too late for that. There's no way every gun can be eradicated from the world nor will the knowledge of how to make them be taken. Plus what is a gun compared to a tank or warhead? We've gone far, far past the point of no return. Any attempts to destroy the advances we've made or prevent their use just results in a larger criminal market and the people suffering.
>>712808256
I wonder the same about you.
>>712808256
where do you think you are right now?
>>712803199
Booby trap your house with thumb tacks and paint cans tied to ropes and stuff. And by a tactical katana machete from Cold Steel on Amazon. Bitches love tactical katana machetes from Cold Steel on Amazon. $40 bucks and no need for an ID.
If your parents aren't comfortable having a gun in the house, they are likely not the type of people who can be trusted to handle a gun in the first place. They're more likely to accidentally shoot you or themselves than they are a criminal.
>>712808165
What she did wasn't illegal at the time, it was made illegal afterwards.
>>712803461
I'm assuming that if OP has to ask his mom to buy the gun, he's under the required age required by his state to purchase one himself.
>>712807937
>the attorney general is the one that charges her but she has ties
So who's the next AG going to have ties to?
>>712803199
>we have a 3 year old
get a trigger lock, execute proper gun storage
>more likely to get killed by your own gun
proper gun safety
>political thing
politics have nothing to do with personal safety
>lived in NYC during crack war
use this as a point where would you feel more comfortable being able to defend yourself or be unarmed if someone did attack.
>>712808309
you're comparing guns like assholes on the street can have to military. that logic makes no sense. my country had guns. 20 years after laws, almost nobody does, and it's fucking awesome. we submitted, as did other asian countries, to how devastating this technological growth is so dangerous, and did not continue. you guys are acting like it's morphine addiction. you will eventually kill us all. you don't have to, but i sincerely believe western idiots will be the fall of humanity. you just can't stop yourselves.
>>712807876
Yeah well the problem is that once guns were invented, there was no way of going back.Some people are going to always want guns for whatever purpose. Even if you pushed a button and every gun on earth dissipated instantly, what you can get rid of is knowledge and ingenuity. It's not hard to make a gun, any machine shop can make one with basic tools. You can make one in your basement. My point is that they are here to stay, and that needs to be accepted so we can move on and focus on other ways to curb gun violence.
>>712808662
>western idiots will be the fall of humanity
yes, because north korea is so intelligent, and china is such a nice, co-operative country...
Op, the best quick temporary solution is to buy a replica airsoft/bb pistol or a blank firing prop pistol. Bitches can't tell a real gun from a fake one when you're holding them at gunpoint. I got a Sig Sauer p226 replica for this very reason because it was 20 bucks and looks exactly like the real p226. The only major problem with strategy is that it's all bark and no bight. You can fire blanks from a replica pistol, but you can't gun someone down if the need arises. But I would see this as the best compromise between you and your mom.
>>712808662
You seriously want the government/military to have guns but not the citizens?
You realize the whole "guns cant stop the gov" argument is a meme, right? It takes like...5% of the population just protesting to change something. Most of the military would defect. If the tech is needed we can get it from outside sources and wrecking your entire people/country with all the power you got is not a win.
>>712809144
Rednecks taking potshots at drones won't do shit. Mass protests will. See fall of soviet union.
>>712809394
but mass protests with guns....
>>712809472
Will mean unnecessary death and bloodshed.
>>712807876
Well fuck you, i hope your country gets nuked, faggot
>>712803199
If you are old enough to buy a gun, move out of your parents house and buy yourself a gun. If you aren't old enough to buy a gun, STFU, listen to your parents, and get off of /b/ - you're too young to be here anyways.
>>712809394
Lol
>I talk about armed revolution
>You equate this with one or two people in the country who are inept
How about get an argument
Imagine if all those mass protesters also were armed, and willing to organize and go to war to defend their rights
>>712808536
I'm 19 and in the state of Arizona you are allowed to purchase a handgun from a private seller at the age of 18 but not from a FFL. Buying the gun isn't the problem, the problem is I'm under my mom's roof so it's her house her rules
I just didn't want to disrespect her and go buy one. But I don't know. I would move out, but I'm in University and so I don't really have the budget to get a apartment with roommates. And my uni bans them at dorms.
>>712809710
Our society is so fucked and corrupted that the bloodshed is necessary right now
We need everyone connected to the government to die
Everyone connected to the media
Or big companies
It's the only way to fix it
>>712810051
They'd get blasted apart with drones. I think you underestimate what percentage of soldiers will pick a steady paycheck over joining up with rebels.
>>712803868
for #2 if someone breaks into your house to kill you are they really gonna wait until you unlock your safe to do it?
>>712810402
I think you underestimate the morality of our military
>>712810206
>kill everyone
>problem solved
Good luck sir, I can't wait to watch the news later and see how it all went.
>>712803199
You are a pussy who is afraid. So afraid that you want a gun to feel empowered. It's a tool like anything else not a magic wand that makes a crime go away.
It's ok to own a gun but it's not something you pussies should be able to do. I'm not anti-gun i'm anti-pussies who want it only because they think it makes them real men.
How about you man the fuck up and start lifting so you can beat Jamal and friends up if you are afraid of them?
How about getting a better lock on the door or checking if the old one is good?
Why do you think you are going to be the next victim on the list?
It's pussies like you who can't handle the gun and often hurt someone they didn't mean to, just because you freak out about every small thing and when really the shit does hits the fan, you cruble and fuck everything up.
>>712803405
>>712804217
>#noguns cucks
>#noguns cucks everywhere
>>712810511
>youre in your bedroom
>hear someone walking around
>lock door
>get gun from safe in closet
>unlock door, go out of room with gun
>>712810621
>How about you man the fuck up and start lifting
>le DYEL meme
-------> /fit/
>>712803199
You are actually more likely to kill yourself intentionally or accidentally with a gun then being shot.. unless you are some crazy gangbanging nigger then its more than likely you will die in a hail of gunfire from a driveby while trying to down a bigmac.
>>712810585
Yes, because they sat down and said "Vietnam is wrong guys!" or what about when they stayed out of Iraq and kept it stable and stopped ISIS from forming? The army's job is to do what the government tells it to, they take an oath and they take it very seriously.
>>712804139
Nigger I own several and have never seen gun violence
>>712803199
here have been 3 murders in the past month alone in the neighborhood I live in, and it's a fairly decent neighborhood where no home is worth less than 400k. 2 bodies turned up in a lake, one in a pool, in a fucking month. Owning a gun makes me feel safer, if someone breaks into my home, I'm mentally ready and prepared to shoot them. If your parents aren't, they shouldn't own a gun. If you pull a gun on someone desperate enough to do something like break in, you're putting yourself in danger if you aren't willing to act before they do.
There are many other things you can do to protect yourself aside from owning a firearm.Get a good alarm system, set up cameras and have other weapons handy that aren't as lethal and much easier to get (pepper spray, ku baton, asp etc. and zip-ties to hold them till police arrive) Do NOT booby trap your house, it's dangerous, stupid and illegal. You will get sued and you will lose if someone breaks in and hurts themselves on a trap. You either need to kill them, or defend yourself.
>>712811191
Those murders were probably drug related. Had similar thing in my wealthy neighborhood. Some jackasses ripping off drug dealers.
>>712810976
Yes. Yes they did. The army is made up of fucking people. you idiot. I mean, you cant exactly not listen even if you did disagree with the war and its a different state of mind. But there were plenty that didnt think they should be doing what they were doing.
But that was against a foreign enemy. For their brothers? Their sisters? Their family in their home town? They'll leave. Most will.
There hasn't been a murder in my town of 48,000 in 9 years (the fucked up part being it's a suburb of Dayton, Ohio, in the top ten for shitholes). Feels good to be white and affluent.
>>712804553
If you pull a gun on someone and aren't the person who shoots you are literally retarded.
If that's how your mom thinks, she needs to learn basic firearm safety. A gun in HER hands is definitely as much a danger to everyone around her as it is in the hands of someone willing to kill mindlessly with it, because she's scared piss-less of anything that goes 'bang'.
Guarantee if her car ever backfires, she's going to claim it tried to murder her, amd she be outlawed.
Follow basic gun safety, and get something with multiple safeties to start with. Bersa Thunder 380 isn't a bad one, has three safeties to boot.
>>712811415
Nope. They'll think they're keeping their country stable and safe from redneck rebel traitors.
It's 100% against the constitution to deploy the U.S. Military on U.S. soil. It's spelled out pretty fucking clearly. The gubment coming after you will never happen that way.
>>712803199
Stage a home invasion obviously
>>712803199
For home invasion concerns, perhaps you could put the extra money/effort into security, improve locks on windows, add prominent security cameras by entrances, etc.
And talk about the importance of not approaching/answering the door after dark when someone knocks, unless you're expecting them. People in my town keep falling for that, some crackhead gives a sob story about their phone battery's dead and need to call for a ride, someone opens the door, then the gun comes out.
>>712803199
Become the man of the house ram ur dick in her ass and send ur dad to his room for not being a man then praise kek let him penetrate your ass hole and order your mother to get the gun you wont need the gun tho kek will protect u from the niggers
>>712803199
>> more likely getting killed by your on gun rather than a strangers gun
Guns don't kill people
>> we have a 3 year old
You easily could get rid of it if you got a gun
>> unwanted attention
Guns are like dogs, you can use them to pick up chicks all the time, how's that unwanted?
>>not a good time to get one with the political thing going on right now
A nigger's in the white house, is there ever a better time?
>> lived in New York City in the 80s and early 90s during the height of the crack cocaine war and know what harm they bring ( gun violence)
Lol Jew York
>> more bad than good
Tell your mom to stop being such a pussy
>>712805472
Cuz, niggers be ninjas
>>712807203
Not like u cucks or anything
>>712807298
Cuck...cuck...cuckroll
>>712809394
>>712810402
>guns won't work the government has drones
If people were to have an armed revolution it would be asymmetrical warfare , drones only work if you know where the enemy is , revolutionary's wouldn't group together and get their asses blasted by a drone , they would hide in the wilderness or in public .
Revolutionary's would use sabotage , not open warfare
Also you can't control people with a drone in the sky , you would need people on the ground , soldiers would enforse martial law , and soldiers would be a lot easier for "rednecks taking potshots " would have a much better chance taking out soldiers then they would taking out drones
>>712804217
>>712803405
Europoors pls go
>>712806699
fuck you faggot. I'm in the national guard (part of that well-regulated militia) in California. On January 1st semi-auto rifles in California will be illegal; unless you have to completely disassemble the weapon in order to reload it. I ask you this... HOW THE FUCK IS THAT NOT AN INFRINGEMENT OF THAT RIGHT?
>>712814202
Drone with IR camera beats your wilderness redneck. In fact he's easier to spot now. Guy takes shot at trained soldier. Guy doesn't exist anymore and probably his family as well. Soldiers now see you as a proper threat and won't hesitate to kill.
>>712810402
Our solders arnt asian pussies
>>712803199
>more likely getting killed by your on gun rather than a strangers gun
If you're a regard and don't know what you're doing with it, yes
> we have a 3 year old
Only a problem if you're a retard
> unwanted attention
From what? You're the only people that should even know you have it, save for the proper authorities and the vendor.
>not a good time to get one with the political thing going on right now
Required further explanation
> lived in New York City in the 80s and early 90s during the height of the crack cocaine war and know what harm they bring ( gun violence)
Only if you're going out into the street poppin niggas for being late on drug money yourself.
> more bad than good
Having a gun = probably nothing, but if you get attacked you have it
Not having a gun = probably nothing but if you get attacked you're fucked
Also
>guns are fun
>learning to shoot is a valuable skill, and gun care can teach responsibility
>>712803199
>More likely getting killed by your own gun
Most of those people want to die.
>We have a 3 year old
That shouldn't be a problem if you take proper care of the gun.
>Unwanted attention.
Your neighborhood's already getting attention. Not like you're going to get targeted for having a gun.
The other two are just BS excuses to not have a gun in the house.
>>712814866
God, I remember how much it sucked when the feds mobilized the military to deal with the militias after Oklahoma City.
>>712814839
Explain why al qaeda and Isis didn't get wiped out immediately by drones and soldiers then ,
Its hell for the larger side in an asymmetric war as even if they have better gear and better tech they can still get beaten by someone with an outdated gun and no gear.
If a couple of people in a crowd are revolutionary's and they shoot soldier patrolling the street , how are the soldiers gona tell whos the shooter when everyone's panicking and everyone looks like a civilian ,
Also a with a redneck in the wilderness, is the drone gona shoot every human shape they find in the wild? How are they gona differentiate between a revolutionary and a hunter/camper/hiker
>>712817099
I don't think you comprehend how many brown people died vs how many American soldiers.
>>712817187
I don't think you comprehend how much of a blow to the tax base and how bad for business a civil war would be. Even if the state could depend on winning, even if there weren't widespread desertions, even if sabotage from support staff wasn't widespread, even if Russian and China and everyone else with a grudge or a hope didn't throw in money or support, you'd still have a worldwide recession and an outright depression in the US.
You really think theres anything that the bankers wouldn't tell their functionaries to give on in order to avoid that?
The Second Amendment isn't a means for a victorious rebellion, its a Mexican Standoff with the powers that be.
>>712817187
Its not about how many of each side die , its about who can keep on fighting for longer.
The government needs infrastructure to run , bridges,roads,electricity and communication . these all become targets for revolutionarys
Good luck keeping everything under control when no one has power, bridges and roads are ruined and digital communications are down
>>712817099
I think we're on the same side... let me clarify; I do not support what the state of California is doing (with respect to gun laws).
So /b/ I took you're advice and I went to buy a gun at 9:30pm. I present to you guys my first handgun S&W SD40VE .40 caliber. I'm just gonna hide the gun.
>>712818291
Your*** fuck Im stupid
>>712818291
Although there is no specific waiting period prior to purchase of a firearm in New York, all handgun purchasers must obtain a license to possess or carry a handgun, and such licenses may take up to six months to process (or longer, upon written notice to the applicant).
lying faggot (or not OP)
>>712817989
I'm not on peoples side , I'm not even american , I just disagree to the idea that drones will stop people from resisting a government
The old style of wars where each side has a standing army and know who's the enemy is doesn't happen a lot anymore , nearly all the wars america has had since ww2 have all been asymetic with america fighting against a force that hides in its own population
>>712818630
I live in Arizona. This was done by a private seller faggot
>>712811145
this
>>712818726
To clarify I mean its own population as in the population of the country its in , not the american population
>>712809031
nice job yo, pick out two horrible examples to make half the world seem just fine, because hey, we're not THAT bad lol
fuck off.
>>712818726
You're right... it won't stop people from resisting. In fact I don't think the military would stand a chance against a determined and unified American population; another countries population, I'm not so sure.
People don't realize that drones are only in the skies as long as the fuel for them exists; refining that fuel is a time consuming and highly technical process. Take out the processing facilities and fuel dumps and bye bye air superiority.
>>712809144
lol a meme..ignorant usa fatass detected.
w/e bro. hold your shotgun tight. you'll win against the unrelenting force that is more powerful than you and the few millions of faggots with you could ever be, b/c you got your bible and some shotgun shells.
ffs....fuck america. you do not deserve to breath.
>>712809776
yeah sure round 2, kiss your vidya goodbye. i hear starcraft is super neat-o.
>>712819546
Your president got in with 25% of the country's support. No such thing as a unified American population. At most it'd be small groups of militias getting blown to pieces after trying to occupy federal land.
Op do you maybe live in Croatia, because the situation in my neighborhood is exactly the same, murders, burglaries, and 3 murders in last 6 months
>>712814839
>national guard
>militia
dick, check a dictionary. also, remember it's 2016, not 1812. grow up, asshole.
>>712819546
Also its one thing to drop bombs on terrorists that live on the other side of the world , but its another to drop bombs on your own people.
Many soldiers and people in government will desert, more will stay but only to sabotage from the inside.
Another thing with drones is civilian casualties.
America bombs middle east and hits a few civs = other country's telling them off , people petition to stop drone strikes
But if america bombs america and kills a few civs = suddenly countries invade america to "liberate" it from its evil government .
The moment the government kills an innocent civilian , even if its accidental , global media will have a shitstorm and everyone will turn on America
>>712820146
yes, I know that the national guard is not the ONLY force which can be defined as a militia. My point was that the right to bear arms is being infringed upon, even for those who most people think of when they think of the term "well-regulated militia."
>>712820008
>At most it'd be small groups of militias getting blown to pieces after trying to occupy federal land.
Except thats not what happened to Amon Bundy.
why is it that americans can't seem to update their laws? why do the ideas of a group of men from the 1700s seem like the word of god? update your shit ffs. nobody is being possibly invaded, nobody is coming to reside in your house while resting and reloading their musket. wtf america?
HOW IS ANYONE THIS STUPID?
>>712814839
Sorry I just realised I quoted the wrong post
>>712817099
Is for
>>712814866
>>712820677
see this.
>>712820921
>>712820921
None of that shit happened because we haven't updated our laws. Those men from the 1700s built the greatest and most prosperous country on Earth.
Fuck off commie
>>712820635
>Many soldiers and people in government will desert
Fort Bragg would become a ghost town and six months later you'd have oddly well organized groups of yahoos all over the country shouting "de oppresso liber" and setting up IEDs.
>>712803199
3 murders in 6 months? hell in my town 6 people have been murdered in the last 8 days. USA too
>>712820921
>why is it that americans can't seem to update their laws?
We can, it just takes two thirds of the house, two thirds of the senate, and three quarters of the states.
>>712821124
so did the romans, except they didn't.
go ahead, don't adapt. stay the same, as time goes on. fall like the rest. i have no idea why your type of people are so arrogant, but history always shows you falling apart..time and time again. and you do it laughingly as you burn in figurative fire.
and the whole time, the other half of the world just quietly laughs, as you crush yourselves. and for what? you don't have to. yet you insist upon it. you're begging to be obliterated, it's insanity. you do it with a smirk, though. fucking hell.
>>712821235
We've had 63 since November 1st...
>>712821376
good point. better question, how did you fall to a 2-party system? why is this ok with you all? a country evenly divided that can't accomplish jack-shit, how is this acceptable? i grew up admiring you guys a little. now it's so obvious why you're all morons. wtf happened?
>>712804139
My gun in my pocket right now is pretty damn calm. Hasn't even drank too much and fucked your gf again.
>>712821519
All civilizations fail. Even your little shithole (of whom I'm sure we've sent aid) will. But right now America is the best, and your envious jealousy is showing, so get off your high horse you pretentious ass.
>>712803199
The current form of restrictive gun laws came into effect in the 60's. 'nuff said.
>>712822271
1934, 1968 and 1994 were dark days for liberty
>>712821945
lol i'm not jealous, and no shit everything falls. the universe will too, in enough billion years. mine's been around for thousands of years. yours is brand new, and had so much promise, but you piss it all away. your first president warned you of political party bs, and all you can rejoice of him is crossing a river and cutting down a fucking cherry tree.
america is disgusting, simply due to the wretched air of arrogant stupidity. there is a reason the world laughs at you. you're all just too stupid to get it, and will fall even further with a smile on your face. it's fucking sad, truly. it shouldn't be this way.
>>712820921
What makes you think that we want to? The fundamental right to bear arms comprises and important part of the foundation of my loyalty for this nation (America). Invasion not a good enough reason for you? How about personal defense...
>>712822531
What are you even mad at? Honestly?
>>712821529
damn u must live in a big town
>>712822663
Mummy didn't breastfeed me until I was 9 like is normal in my country.
>>712822663
the idiocy of america; the apparent desire to fuck itself in the ass and let the world destroy it. i used to like america but you guys are basically killing yourselves in idiocy. and you're happy about it, it makes no fucking sense. it's like i punch you in the face and you ask me to do it more, or shove a hot poker iron up your ass. why??????
>>712822708
Chicago.
>>712822594
are you part of a well-organized militia, faggot? no? stfu then.
>>712822478
tell me about it
>>712822838
Pls define our idiocy and how we're killing ourselves. I'm curious.
>>712821945
Russia is the greater nation. Accept it idiot
>>712822947
>he doesn't even know what the militia is
>amerifat education
>>712822947
10 U.S. Code § 311
>>712823018
Maybe in CS:GO
>>712823018
Lol sure kid.
>>712823018
Most of you will die in your 40s of liver disease
>>712822947
yes, I am
>>712823015
wanting guns
using 2nd amendment to say you deserve them
not being part of a well-established militia
>yeah but still
you idiots are killing yourselves left and right as if it's a game, and you do it happily, with pride. if you get called out for it, you simply say 'muh rights' and that's it.
meanwhile civilized places with no guns have extremely low crime rate and murders.
but that's just a fluke, right? riiiight...
>b-b-b-b-b-b-b-but the criminulz alwayz haz duh gunz
and the sun has asteroids spinning around it. kill yourself. or kill your countrymen and extinguish the usa, please. same goes for central/south america, you're all a bunch of gun-toting sociopaths the world does not need.
>>712803199
I own a home defense weapon, and I still agree with your mother. If you don't have a lot of training with your weapon (I was Army), it's just not worth the risks associated to own a firearm.
>>712803199
>um, don't shoot each other? everyone take classes?
>uh, lock it up, not because the gov't tells you to, but because you have walking brain that doesn't know how to stay alive yet living in your house
>why would anyone know you have a gun?
>why is it a bad time to get a gun with a republican stranglehold on all branches of the fed?
>is your mom or dad on crack? are you? why is she worried?
>wat
>>712823414
>well-established militia
:^)
>meanwhile civilized places with no guns have extremely low crime rate and murders.
Serbia has the second highest gun ownership in the world yet it's homicide rate is lower than the EU average.
>b-but le steel pipes are scary
you're just a retard
>>712823414
>TL;DR I don't like gunz
K got it
>>712823414
>not being part of a well-established militia
Got news for ya
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/10/311
>>712803199
> more likely getting killed by your on gun rather than a strangers gun
what?
> we have a 3 year old
it's not very hard to put the shit somewhere a 3 year old can't fucking find it...
> unwanted attention
again, what?
>not a good time to get one with the political thing going on right now
So what? the worst thing that can happen is it get's taken away from you, and then you're back where you already fucking are.
> lived in New York City in the 80s and early 90s during the height of the crack cocaine war and know what harm they bring ( gun violence)
are you in fucking NYC in the cocaine wars right now? no. everything is situational
> more bad than good
that's like saying having a sword is more bad than good, simply because it can cut someone, no shit sherlock...
Get a gun, stop being a bitch, practice safety, hide it from the kid...
>>712822947
p.s. it's well regulated dumb fuck
>well regulated
>>712823637
>kek
serbia, how old are you??? ffs serbie was hell on earth. it has a few good years and it's all better now? fuck off.
look, it's easy. you can google this, and may disagree, but i'd stake my life on this: the west is fucked, inherently. unlike asia where we're all a communal society mostly, the west is individualistic. you fight over the stupidest reasons to prove a point, war against each other, think nothing of your fellow, and just generally don't give a fuck about anyone. asia is the opposite; we work for each other, not just ourself, and though not perfect, have lasted for thousands of years, unlike the west which is like an arabian shitstorm but white.
how you guys got this far is beyond me. i'm out, ty for the degree and the easy grab of a job USA; i couldn't have done it without the majority of you being complete fucking morons.
Gun? Get n rpg or something fun but nah srsly have a 3yr brother so i can relate, sorry my english but yh you should get one anyway
>>712803199
You should move out of Niggertown, op.
>>712824309
>was hell on earth
Yet their homicide rate is lower than the EU average.Really makes you think, huh.
Unless you go out of your way to cherry pick countries there is no correlation between gun ownership and homicide. You're just scared of a piece of pipe with a pin at one end.
>>712822271
>ban guns
>knife crime skyrockets
>people throw acid at people now
>guess we should ban knifes
>>712824715
incorrect, no cherry picking. there is a huge correlation, but you must add in social factors. hence why i brought up communal vs individual and why you are inherently fucked in the head and unable to be of value.
>>712823414
>>712825096
>there is a correlation if you edit the data
okay
>communal vs individual
The UK is currently far more "communal" than it's ever been and we've effectively banned gun ownership yet the homicide rates are higher than they were when there were no restrictions on gun ownership.
Really gets your almonds activated, doesn't it. :^)
>>712803199
if you guys really are afraid of being robbed or murdered, isnt the danger from those two things far greater than the danger of A. Negligence on your families parts, and B. the danger of killing yourself (which is obviously mostly a danger from suicide, which i guess should be a consideration if you have someone in the house who is)?
If you cant convince her that the need to protect herself from violent crime isnt important, maybe you could convince her to protect her family. Or allow her husband or you to protect them. It also sounds like you dont have much experience with guns, so maybe you could take a class to learn more about them and go to the range and demonstrate that you are responsible to use them.
If you really are concerned about a kid getting into it and hurting himself, you could keep a loaded mag with a handgun that has a very stiff recoil spring and keep them separate as an added precaution, as well as keeping the handgun in a safe with a combination.
If all those rational arguments fail, you can always appeal to her mother instincts. Gotta protect those babies.
>>712823206
best part is I'm not even Russian nor even like Russia, but I know it's a fact that they are better then the states
>>712803199
1. You have a right to own a gun.
2. Refusing to be armed will do nothing to stop criminals.
3. Get a concealed carry permit. Licenced concealed carriers are actually safer and less crime prone than the general public.
4. Being safe is more important than feeling safe. A drunk driver may feel safe, and the idea of a cop pulling them over may scare them, but they aren't safe and the cop may just save their life and potentially the lives of others. Your mom may feel safe, and the idea of having a gun may scare her, but she isn't safe and having a gun may save her life and potentially the lives of others.
5. People with guns do save lives. According to the Journal of Criminal Law and Criminology and the FBI, people with guns save 49 times more lives than people with guns take in homicides each year.
6. If your gun is a gun-free zone and people know that, it will become a target for criminals who will know you won't put up a fight.
>>712826747
*if your house is a gun free zone
>>712803199
Fifth point here:
>>712826747
And this post:
>>712826370
Effectively refute any concerns about having a gun in your home.
>>712803199
>Buy gun
>Make homemade suppressor
>Keep in safe place (or hidden somewhere in room)
>If you leave the house, bring gun with you. ALWAYS!!!!
>....
>PROFIT =)
>>712803405
statistically she's not, so long as she and her family get proper training before buying one
>>712809031
It's not like those two countries make up over 20% of the world's population or anything...
>>712827565
PROTIP: When inside, eject round from chamber (NOT fire it!!!!), & remove clip. It's what I personally do. Good luck.
>>712826747
>Being safe is more important than feeling safe.
Yet gun-nuts get guns to feel safe.
>>712804139
>>Guns don't magically bring violence with them
>this is what gunfags actually believe.
so the inverse of this is that you believe guns 'magically' bring violence with them
what the fuck are you smoking and can I have some
>>712821717
A multi-party system would get even less done under the structure of our Constitution. As it is, we can work on non-partisan issues together. The partisan issues that we don't agree on are usually big enough that we wouldn't want immediate long lasting change. I want a government that governs least, so the fact that one of the parties stands in the way of the other is okay with me. One of Trump's best proposals is requiring two regulations to be undone for every new regulation put on the books.
>>712804217
>feelings trump facts
totally agree
>for most gun enthusiasts
wut? It's the exact opposite. Every new proposed gun law has no logic behind it and is pushed only with muh feels arguments
I used to be anti-gun until I started researching this shit and the facts agree with the pro-gun side, most "facts" brought up by anti-gunners are shit like motherjones articles that do random* surveys.
>>712827837
>when inside make the gun useless
Why? The number one purpose he has it is to protect his home. Furthermore, the most accidents happen when loading and unloading the gun.
Why are guncucks such deluded fucks? The 2nd Amendment was only written because the founding father's were afraid of the British coming back. They didn't write for Cletus and Clem to be able to shoot anyone who looks at them the wrong way with their semi-auto.
Your Red Dawn fantasies will never happen. Get a life.
>>712827856
What part of:
>people with guns save 49 times more lives than people with guns take in homicides each year
did you not understand? Also, areas with looser gun laws see less crime while areas with tighter gun laws are less safe (not to mention that completely gun-free zones are the easiest targets with over 90% of mass shootings taking place in them).
>>712827837
ONE LAST THING:
>Try to purchase gun with a secondary safety (safety key) just in case. Try looking at TAURUS Millennium G2 9mm Polymer Grip Sub Compact handguns. Revolvers are great, but more likely to accidentally discharge. heres a link:
www taurususa com/product-details cfm?id=872&category=Pistol
>>712828182
t. Someone who has never heard of Heller vs DC
>>712828182
>im scared of metal pipes and you should be too
>>712827565
>>712827837
>>712828470
Nice shit posting man.
1. Do something illegal.
2. Make your gun useless and increase risk of accident.
3. Make your gun harder to use and buy from a shitty manufacturer.
>>712810402
It terrifies me that you're ok with firebombing cities in your own country. You seriously think your own countrymen would be OK with that? As someone who is actually in the service I can tell you that no one I work with is OK with that.
>>712828364
>Amerifats do half-assed job
>lol we'll just put a no-gun zone next to all these gun zones
>see, our lazy attempt didn't work, therefore it is proof gun control doesn't work
It's like having a fire extinguisher in your house built near an active volcano, and then blaming the fire extinguisher when the house burns down.
Get a gun. Ask questions later. To avoid legal matters, get a long gun. You need it to control large carnivorous mammals. Calgary AB Canada.
>>712828491
>I've scared of muh invasion and you should be too
>>712811695
You forget who actually joins the military. It's mostly comprised of redneck patriots. They won't be too keen on bombing their brothers and sisters.
>>712814866
So you're A-OK with murdering civilians because they are related to someone who might be a terrorist?
And by the way just look at OIF and OEF, the great might of the US military couldn't deal with a few goatfuckers, how do you think they will deal with trained vets? (most of which are the ones who want to keep their guns)
>>712828765
>he thinks the 2nd amendment is about invasion
>he thinks the British Bill of Rights was about invasion
wew
just get a glock. end of story.
>>712828720
Except that even if the whole US was a gun free zone, we'd still be bordered by Mexico and guns would flow across the border into the hands of criminals. Actually, given that the same people who are anti-gun are also anti-secure borders, it would probably be easier to get drugs and guns from Mexico. The cartels could swoop into US cities and private citizens would be unable to defend themselves.
Fuck off with your stupidity.
>>712828182
>guncucks
So is adding cuck to whatever you don't like the new thing now? Roodypoo sounded less gay than this.
>>712820008
>Your president got in with 25% of the country's support.
Well we know you're a fucking liar now
>At most it'd be small groups of militias getting blown to pieces after trying to occupy federal land.
Yep, definitely a liar.
I don't think you know this but most service members, past and present, lean right. They believe in the 2nd amendment and want to keep their guns. They are trained militarily and have faced insurgents and understand how they operate.
Your crazy idea that some random kid from Wisconsin will "deploy magic drones and kill all the badguys" is retarded.
You are retarded.
>>712829047
>he thinks the 2nd amendment is about invasion
It is. Random civillians that had guns helped fight the British. They wanted everyone to have a gun so they could have more people fighting for them if the British returned.
Really the founding father's just wanted you as foot soldiers so they wouldn't have to spend more on a military. There's a reason why they called it a militia.
I live in Alberta. It's 1 in 10 that has a gun. Maybe that's 1 guy with 10 guns in 100, or its a legit 1:10 rule. But it's a fact.
From my firearms training. Last year. But I'd rather have a gun in a nice locked container than not.
>>712829192
>So is adding cuck to whatever you don't like the new thing now
Righty sure has made it a thing.
>>712829102
>Fuck off with your stupidity.
>>712818291
Not a bad choice. Should've gotten it in 9mm but that's alright.
>>712823414
JFC the misinformation is real
get educated kid
>>712829447
>The British Bill of Rights was to help random civilians fight the British
You're a retard that doesn't even know your own history, dummy.
The American constitution and most of it's amendments, including the second, was an almost exact copy of current British law which included the right to keep and bear arms.
>There's a reason why they called it a militia.
So you've no idea what a militia is either then. :^)
>>712829055
What holster anon?
10% of shots fired from a handgun hit the mark. Fact. Otherwise use a long gun. Less liability and less legal bs
or get an AR while the gettins good
>>712824309
You seriously think the east is better than the west with your centuries of war crimes and class warfare? fuck kid you've been indoctrinated hard.
>>712829723
>butthurt guncuck mad that he can't accept the fathers only saw him a as a pawn for their wars
>>712829776
G-code incog
>>712825096
correlation != causation
fuck have you even passed high school yet?
>>712803199
This is a thread better Suited for /k/
The /k/ommandos will help you out. Ignore the Ant-fun retards here.
>>712829852
Thanks bro I like it. I've got a 17 and a 30.
>>712829851
>he thinks civilians owning guns is good for going to war
:^)
>>712829373
>your crazy idea that some random kid from Wisconsin will "deploy magic drones and kill all the badguys" is retarded.
As opposed to your "redneck uprising" fantasies?
>>712828182
Have you even read the Bill of Rights? Because your comment obviously states that you haven't.
>>712803199
> more likely getting killed by your on gun rather than a strangers gun
You're more likely to drown in a pool if you have one, that's how it works. Be responsible and you won't drown in your pool.
> we have a 3 year old
Thousands of precautions you can take to prevent the weapon from a child using it.
> unwanted attention
What? I carry a weapon and nobody knows, I don't think anyone will know about one in your house unless you're running your mouth about it.
>not a good time to get one with the political thing going on right now
What?
> lived in New York City in the 80s and early 90s during the height of the crack cocaine war and know what harm they bring
Was that gun violence committed by legal gun owners or was it gang warfare?
> more bad than good
Nah.
>>712830003
That's what happened during the American Revolution. Sorry pawn.
>>712829897
>>712803199
Your mom's a stupid cunt, and your dad is a pussy.
>>712829447
You're wrong, try actually reading the Bill of Rights for once.
>>712830076
I thought a redneck uprising was impossible. :^)
>mfw he thinks making new US law the same as the old British law gives him an advantage in war
>>712803199
>just fucking kill her
>>712829801
My wife constantly shows up with her prohibited. Too many rounds, too short of barrel. And that's Canada border services. Get a long gun. Learn to use it. Literally, show up at fields and train ur ass
>>712830034
>As opposed to your "redneck uprising" fantasies?
No as opposed to my "Marine Corps combat veteran who actually knows what the fuck is going on" realities
I'm sorry that you get all of your combat information from Call of Duty.
>>712830236
You Amerifats sure think it does, since you try tio apply an outdated law from the 1700 hundred to modern guns in your shit hole of a country.
>>712803199
guns are for morons and people too poor to move.
move. youll save money on ammo and your chance of injury or death by break in won't even be a possibility. you can even buy a gun after you move if you just feel like it would be cool to have a gun.
>>712829988
good deal. im more into mil surp rifles and stuff so this 19 is gonna keep me for a while as my CC gun.
>>712830397
b-but muh drones
>>712830231
>he thinks they'd outright admit it
>>712830554
Is that a Garand or M-1?
>>712830397
I'm sorry that you get all of your revolution information from Red Dawn and Tomorrow When the War Began.
>>712830572
I haven't even brought that argument up yet. I want him to dig his hole deeper.
>>712830528
>implying I'm american
>mfw he thinks that automatic rifles are used in large numbers of crimes
Once again, gun-nuts prove themselves to be salty insecure manchildren.
>>712830651
m1 Garand to be exact. just got it 2 months ago, and just got another order of ammo last week
>>712830671
You won't need to dig a hole once your house is a crater.
>>712830940
Fucking sweet dude. It looks cherry as fuck. Nice fine. Mind if I ask what you paid for that beautiful rifle?
>>712828018
so you're saying the framer's of the constitution were all wrong in their desire of no parties to control anything, especially 2 exclusive? God damn you cherry pick what you love about your country a lot..or you're just a weak piece of shit who won't stand up to the status quo. Either way you're currently disgraceful to a country that used to be worthwhile.
>>712830940
what is the CMP charging for loose m2?
>>712831030
That's a CMP special they run for about 900 +-
It's really an amazing deal because they give it a new stock, Re mill and blast all the metal bitz. Give you a new barel. You basically get a brand new M1
>>712831046
CMP? Not him btw
>>712830655
It's fitting that you would bring up even more video games, I meant that as a snide remark yet you ran with it.
Life isn't like video games kid, insurgencies in real life aren't like video games.
In Iraq and Afghanistan we didn't have insurgents run at us shouting Allah snackbar with gold AK's. They blended into the population, planted IEDs (bombs) on the roads, took pop shots at us from populated areas.
You can't fire on civilians, you can't bomb civilians, you can't drone strike civilians.
Most people in the military believe in the 2nd amendment. Most vets, like me, believe in the second amendment. People like me would be willing to teach cletus how to run a proper insurgency.
Forcefully. Taking. Guns. Away. Would. Never. Work.
>>712830034
>>712831030
pic related. My M1 and my Hedgehog
Why can't we have hyperscat licenses in America? We aren't truly free unless we have the right to take giant shits.
>>712831224
Lel
>>712831224
God im retarded this morning
>>712829840
we've changed and fixed our mistakes constantly, unlike the west who's just brutalized each other and taken each other over in barbaric ways like it's a king-of-the-mountain game for centuries. overall we've been improving always, and giving the world our innovations in time. china is a shit-stain atm, but for most of human's time, it's been a pinnacle of achievement, my country too. we've made mistakes; mine has made amends, so can china. you idiots will do what you always do though and consume yourselves. there's no other way for you guys it seems, sadly.
>no i don't like saying this, it's fucking sad. you're better than this. you just don't do it.
>>712831031
No. I think Washington wanted no parties. But since parties are inevitable, I'd rather a two-party system than a multi-party system.
gun is cool guy
>>712829896
lol, ffs..do you even know what those words mean? To apply them in any meaningful way you can't be subjective, dipshit. Try again.
>>712831158
>more video games
>Red Dawn and Tomorrow When the War Began are videogames
I'm surprised you even have Wifi out in the backwoods, Leroy.
>You can't fire on civilians, you can't bomb civilians, you can't drone strike civilians.
>we need muh guns to fight the gubmint
>but they won't actually attack us
You rednecks don't even make sense anymore.
>>712831030
>>712831121
actually this was a service grade, springfield. so $730 flat
>>712831046
greek hxp, 200 rounds in a .30 cal can is $136 if I remembered correctly. still a good price.
wish i could post more pics but size limit
>>712831195
>bomb town
>burn down forest you retreat to
Good luck, Clem.
>>712830961
See, that's the argument I was hoping you'd talk yourself into.
Forceful control of a citizenship would be required for a complete ban and confiscation of all guns in America. It is the only thing that would get the guns away from most law abiding citizens and a few criminals.
The thing is though, you can't just control a population with drones.
Drones cant kick in doors in the middle of the night to conduct contraband raids.
Drones can't police streets seeing if you have contraband.
It takes people to do that.
And a glock scares the fuck out of people.
If you seriously think it's ok to have your neighbors house drone striked because he "might" be a "terrorist", and have your house damaged in the process, then you're fucking dumb.
>>712831443
Fuckin noice
>>712831443
Damn that's a nice looking service grade. Mine was busted all to hell.
136 Is damn good. Do they have an Ammo can limit? if so I'd probably grab atleast 2k rounds maybe more.
>>712831512
>drones can't kick in a door
>drones can't police streets
no, but they can blow them the fuck up. how far are you willing to go, comrade?
>>712831512
So yet another gun-nut contradicting himself here
>we need the guns to fight the government who will attack us but they won't attack us
Why can't we all just enjoy some massive dumps?
>>712831590
get them while the getting is still good. they ran out if the spam can stuff, and are limiting members to 10 cases of ammo per year I think. for surplus greek ammo that shoots great, plus a .30 cal can, cant complain about that
>>712831434
>>more video games
>>Red Dawn and Tomorrow When the War Began are videogames
>I'm surprised you even have Wifi out in the backwoods, Leroy.
Just googled them, shitty B action movies are not my taste, oh well messed up
But you consider SoCal to be backwoods? fuck man are you from the future moon? Once you graduate highschool (hopefully) and learn some critical thinking (not likely, as you've ignore all of my other points to poke at my lack of knowledge of shitty movies) you will learn a thing or two.
>>You can't fire on civilians, you can't bomb civilians, you can't drone strike civilians.
>>we need muh guns to fight the gubmint
Yes, if you had actually read the rest of my post, drones can't kick in your door to search for contriband. You need guns to defend against the people (not drones) who will be needed to do so.
>>but they won't actually attack us
Read the rest of my post cretin
>You rednecks don't even make sense anymore.
Read the rest of my post cretin
Quit cherrypicking shit that you like to hear and ignoring the rest. You are showing your ignorance.
>>712831736
>>712831763
>>712831847
>gun lover's final insult
>can't beat common sense, shit pics time
kek-a-doodle-doo
>>712831647
Well I'm glad that you're ok with your next-door neighbor's house getting blown up, and yours in the process.
Because, you know, terrorists or something
>>712831961
>>gun lover
>>712831443
take 10 seconds and resize them
>>712831661
Again you cherrypicked my comment without reading the whole thing.
The government cannot drone strike its citizens. It will cause mass backlash due to the unintended casualties and mass destruction. Also, you cannot rule a nation of dead people.
The guns are for the people that would be required to kick in doors and shoot "terrorists"
>>712831932
>shitty B action movies are not my taste
Yet they're what you hillbillies think you'll be able to do.
>Once you graduate highschool (hopefully) and learn some critical thinking (not likely, as you've ignore all of my other points to poke at my lack of knowledge of shitty movies) you will learn a thing or two.
I can just smell the salt. You can't even make a real arguement, so you're already pulling out the underage meme.
>You are showing your ignorance.
Sure is getting tumblr in here.
>>712832146
>It will cause mass backlash due to the unintended casualties and mass destruction.
>The gubmint will take over
>but they wont'!
>>712832010
if they deserve it, sure. i wouldn't live in a shithole next to white hateful faggots anyways, it's why i left after 5 years. fuck america, the whole country is a fucking joke.
>you will never take a satisfying dump like this
Why live? Owning a gun will never bring you the sheer ecstasy of passing a hyperlog.
We should be fitting for the right to do giant poos.
>>712803199
>more likely getting killed by your on gun rather than a strangers gun
If you're a fucking idiot that leaves weapons loaded when not in use or do stupid shit with it then yes it is.
>we have a 3 year old
Don't shoot at walls and I'm sure the kid won't go deaf, I shoot guns without ear protection all the time, it rings a little then goes away.
>unwanted attention
Nobody has to know a damn thing
>not a good time to get one with the political thing going on right now
The BEST time to get a gun
> lived in New York City in the 80s and early 90s during the height of the crack cocaine war and know what harm they bring ( gun violence)
Yeah, gang members killing each other, so unless you're a gang member, there's not much to worry about.
>more bad than good
Having the option to defend yourself is bad? Since fucking when?
Come on America! Make pooping great again!
>>712832500
>I shoot guns without ear protection all the time, it rings a little then goes away.
Kek, you'll go death by your fifties.
>>712832188
>>shitty B action movies are not my taste
>Yet they're what you hillbillies think you'll be able to do.
Again this is coming from a combat veteran from fucking California, quit with your stereotypes it's getting dull.
>>Once you graduate highschool (hopefully) and learn some critical thinking (not likely, as you've ignore all of my other points to poke at my lack of knowledge of shitty movies) you will learn a thing or two.
>I can just smell the salt. You can't even make a real arguement, so you're already pulling out the underage meme.
>You can't even make a real arguement
Well you misspelled arguement, and your grammar is atrocious. I did raise multiple valid arguments which you still have refused to comment on. I'm not the one being a child in this argument. You are.
>>You are showing your ignorance.
>Sure is getting tumblr in here.
My argument with you isn't trying to persuade you, because I know from talking with you that you are as bad as the alt-right when it comes to changing your views. This is for the moderates. I want people to see that I have tried to argue reasonably with you, producing facts and logical arguments while you just spew memes and misinformation.
>>712803199
>> more likely getting killed by your on gun rather than a strangers gun
This is false. If she makes that claim tell her to back it up.
>> we have a 3 year old
This is a consideration. Get a quick access safe and leave the gun in there. Problem solved. Also teach the kid gun safety, for now just teach him if he comes across a gun to stop, don't touch and get an adult. Soon he will be old enough to learn safe gun handling, this is important even if you don't have a gun since he could come across one somewhere else.
>> unwanted attention
Not sure what you mean. Don't go waving your gun around and you wont have any extra attention.
>>not a good time to get one with the political thing going on right now
What are you talking about? Trump was just elected, its the perfect time. If Hillary was elected prices would have shot up, now is a great time to buy.
>> lived in New York City in the 80s and early 90s during the height of the crack cocaine war and know what harm they bring ( gun violence)
Sound like the black market cocaine brought the harm, not the guns.
>> more bad than good
False. Even the CDC says guns are used to prevent crime far more than they are used in crime. You can look it up, Obama ordered the study. Kinda backfired on him.
I'm sure the OP was trolling but those are my honest answers anyway.
>>712832622
>I did raise multiple valid arguments which you still have refused to comment on.
What, that a bunch of civilians can take on advanced tech?
>This is for the moderates
Moderates don't believe in your redneck fantasies.
>>712829102
Actually Mexico has EXTREMELY strict gun laws. But this actually works in your arguments favor. Anti gun people are either stupid or lack basic understanding of how real life works. Funny thing is I'm a liberal gun owner, and all of my shooting buddy's are as well. I just don't understand people who are so opposed to me having a form of protection to resort to when other forms fail.
Why would you want a gun when you could have this?
>>712832229
Such reductive reasoning. Give me a minute to get into caveman speak mode so that I can relate to your worldview......
Ok......
>>It will cause mass backlash due to the unintended casualties and mass destruction.
Yes. Gubmint no have power without people support. Bombing own cities give no support.
>>The gubmint will take over
Yes. All gubmint want power. Loot at history.
>>but they wont'!
? No make sense. Said earlier bombing no, shooting ok. guns defend against shooting, not bomb.
>>712832622
>because I know from talking with you that you are as bad as the alt-right when it comes to changing your views.
Hypocrite. All you want to hear is circlejerking from your fellow guncucks.
>>712832241
>318 million people are a joke and deserve to die
Glad you moved kiddo, you're a fucking psychopath.
The real crime is how no one has subscribed to this legend
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3f1TqFEkRQ
>>712803405
as long as guns are secured properly, your argument is flushed
but its apparent you rather be a sheep than a wolf.
>>712832803
>Gun people are either stupid or lack basic understanding of how real life works. Funny thing is I'm a gun owner, and all of my shooting buddy's are as well. I just don't understand people who are so opposed to me having a weapon to resort to because it's easier to shoot and ask questions later.
>>712832941
easy, 'kiddo', i didn't say you deserve to die just b/c you're a fucking idiot.
Convince her to join your dad and yourself for a gun safety class to check it out. Argue that you want to get a gun, but that the family will need to have proper knowledge of firearm handling before you would feel comfortable buying one.
>>712832829
Your delusional fantasy doesn't make sense. You think the government will take over but then give a bunch of reasons to why they wouldn't and disproved your own argument by trying to argue against me.
>>712832603
Only the first magazine, then I put on ear protection. I do it to get used to the sound, because do you really have time to put on ear protection on a life or death situation? Do you always carry that shit around just in case? No you don't.
>>712832622
Just read all of your posts. These fags are extra potato. Everything you said makes perfect sense.
>>712832787
>>I did raise multiple valid arguments which you still have refused to comment on.
>What, that a bunch of civilians can take on advanced tech?
Jesus. Fucking. Christ. Kid. No. Will you go back and actually read them? I know you didn't read them the first time due to me having to write this shit. Fucking 'ey, if you're going to argue with someone at least try to read everything they say.
Fuck.
I hate shitty people like you.
Go read my previous comments and we can get back to that if you're a decent person.
>>This is for the moderates
>Moderates don't believe in your redneck fantasies.
Like I've stated before, I. Live. In. California. Orange. County. California.
You have to keep resorting to namecalling. You have no real argument other than "you're a hillbilly"
>>712832803
>I'm a liberal gun owner
> I just don't understand people who are so opposed to me having a form of protection to resort to when other forms fail.
Yet you vote for them...
Will owning a gun prevent you from producing a massive turd that will destroy your anus? Didn't think so.
>>712833250
>These fags are extra potato. Everything you said makes perfect sense.
t. fag potato
>>712832939
Nope, the only reason I come into these threads on /b/ is to get some insight on to why people fear guns so much and to build arguments against them