Poc cannot be racist against white people because you cannot oppress your oppressor.
>>712762991
someone posted something similar to this on fagbook in the form of a nigger meme.
It must be easy to live so ignorantly for you OP.
anyway here's your (you)
a mantra for racist to justify their racism
>>712763214
Racism = Prejudice + Power.
How does one oppress something already oppressing them? That's like, mathematically impossible.
>>712763574
>That's like, mathematically impossible.
sure if you pull the math out of your ass
>>712762991
I aint opressed anyone m8 ive been at work pal.
Just got in and now im browsing the internet chum.
When am i supposed to have opressed someone?
>>712763847
Okay then explain how it's possible to socially and economically oppress people that are already oppressing you?
>>712763847
Okay so explain how it's possible.
>>712763574
Dumb fucking cunt. You honestly think you need to have power to be a racist?
The fucking definition of racism simply requires prejudice against a group of people due to their race, nothing states you're required to be in a position of fucking power.
Take me for an example, I have virtually no power. Yet, I know I am capable of being racist like when I mocked every one of those dumb fuck protesting for BLM who were all dumb fuck shills blaming society cause Daddy never was around.
I can't fucking wait for you to witness real oppression.
>>712763574
Is that math you do as a liberal to make yourself feel better?
>>712763574
If blacks have enough power to beat up trump supporters and make them fear for their wellbeing, then they sure as hell have enough power to be racist
This is my thread now you dumb fuck.
>>712763574
This is what happens when nigs forget what Africa is like, it's funny that Afrinigs want the white man to leave Africa but Amerinigs are happy living in the white mans country
>>712762991
To all those silent shills weeping cause your cuckold queen lost. Find the nearest batch of cleaning supplies and please, indulge yourself.
>>712763574
No you fucking dunce,
Racism = prejudice + action
Stop changing definitions to suit your agenda like fucking newspeak
>>712763999
By being ignorant to the fact that maybe just maybe, poc of color today face systemic remnants of the USA's 200+ years of slavery and abuse towards indigenous people.
>>712764548
I aint Yank though buddy old pal old friend o' mine.
>>712764159
Systemic power yes. Institutional power yes.
Also, white people have written your textbooks and dictionaries, you wouldn't expect a little bias from em? A little bias from the people who've oppressed minorities against minorities? No?
>>712764694
Ah well, it's a good thing racism is global then innit? Slave trade triangles and everything. Anti-blackness is and always has been worldwide
>>712762991
>be in Weimar republic
>Die Juden holding all the power, opressing das Volk
>cant be racist against them
nice try Adolf
>>712764347
Never liked Hillary. But I wouldn't be cautious with my 15 year old daughter around her like I would with the other guy.
>>712764042
>>712764121
by being racist
>prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior
This whole 'those in power' argument defining racism thing is totally made up
>>712764229
Not that type of power.
>>712764953
But i've never even seen a black person chum, i work on my farm in the outer hebrides, im literally wearing a jumper made from the wool of my own sheep, i live by myself and my closest neighbour is miles away, who am i oppressing again?
>>712764796
>Also, white people have written your textbooks and dictionaries
how prejudiced of you
>>712765135
Oh have you done research on race and societal issues enough to confirm that yourself or are you gonna quietly admit in your head to yourself that you're being close minded and ignorant entirely to an idea simply because you don't like it?
>>712762991
Mfw everyone in this thread doesn't realise race doesn't exist.
Seriously people. How can anybody be racist against white people? They aren't even a race. You're using some "if you get pulled back behind the finish line you still completed the race" logic. That shit is racist
>>712765168
"By being ignorant to the fact that maybe just maybe, poc of color today face systemic remnants of the USA's 200+ years of slavery and abuse towards indigenous people."
>>712765199
That wasn't in the slightest kek.
Like if a white guy said that about poc it still wouldn't.
>>712765406
I giving you the definition of racism. A black person can still be racist towards a white person.
>captcha was 'crime kingston' lol
>>712765579
But whats americas prejudices got to do with me? Im ignorant to a lot of things, idk how many parts sand water and cement you need to make a brick wall, does that make me prejudice towards builders too?
>>712765911
Ignorance in the face of injustice is the same as supporting it.
If an elephant has its foot on the tail of a mouse and you say that you are neutral, the mouse will not appreciate your neutrality.
>>712764417
The entire left is being taken over by newspeak. I don't even get it.
>>712765406
you are an idiot, or a troll; actually, even as a troll, you are an especially idiotic troll
congrats on your BA in african studies from community college
>>712762991
This sounds like a line from the Animal Farm
>>712766150
Gotcho ass mad now cause im right topkek
>>712765144
Power doesn't come in types, kid. Power is power, no matter how it's acquired or used.
>>712766264
Could be.
>>712766283
Theres no difference between elite /wealth power and E=mc^2???
Well damn.
>>712762991
it's like saying it's impossible to kill a killer or heal a doctor
in other words OP is fag again and not in a cool way
Hope you enjoy having your welfare cut off and being forced to get a real job to take care of those eight kids.
>>712766470
No its like saying a cat can't eat a moose. Learn to understand analogies better.
>>712766560
Majority of welfare recipients are white. Also the majority of welfare abusers.
>>712766130
There's a 90 percent chance OP is just fishing for yous, but in the case that he's not the fact there are people that think like him is scary real.
Nah but that's all for today folks.
Be back tomorrow same time to get educated again.
>>712766281
>Gotcho ass mad
oh man you really are a nigger who let you use that computer
>>712766585
but cat can eat moose
>>712766124
When am i ever gonna come across an elephant on the hebredes???
>>712766428
that formula doesn't describe power you dumbass
>>712766853
A little kitty can't entirely eat a moose no. Sorry you had to get that specific to understand. I know yall pretty slow.
>>712766585
>No its like saying a cat can't eat a moose
a tiger could totally kill a moose.
You really suck at analogies.
>>712767015
Oh energy isn't a type of power? You don't energize something to power it up? Well damn.
>>712762991
>nigger
>>712763574
Learn from dictionaries, history, those who lived through and fought racisim in the states, not tumblr you fucking retarded idiot.
Black people can be rasist as fuck. Just ask a jewish or asian shop owner near a large black community. And yes, they can be racist to white people. Ask a white kid in a mostly black school.
>>712767038
kitty is not same as cat
what you are saying is nonwhite races are not powerfull as white people therefore can't oppress them but if they are by definition allways less powerfull doesn't that make them inferior you fucking racist
>>712767170
you are now mixing terminologies
it's time to stop
>>712767460
yeah i know - eloquence, but you get the point
Whatever. Coons are still mostly stupid, smelly, ignorant crimanal retards.
Come try and be a nigger in my hood, and I'll oppress the fuck out of your mouth.
congratulations boys, you've all been triggered!
>>712762991
More lies from black people..
nobody believes that garbage
>>712767314
>And yes, they can be racist to white people
ask a waiter, white or black.
>>712767764
this made me laugh
>>712763574
this.
POC can be bigots though.
>>712767764
Did you just assume my gender!?!?!
>>712767314
so you're basically comparing being bullied to hundreds of years of being opressed, killed, slavery, cononialism?? makes sense
white people dont get killed for being white on a daily basis, poc do
>>712767940
A black man is president.
By your definition only non-POC can be oppressed.
>>712763574
This macro thinking progressives conveniently cling to completely ignores the microcosms of power where whiteness holds little to no value. Employee/employer, landlord/tenant, teacher/student...or, you know, the vast majority of power dynamics we find ourselves in every day?
>>712768229
>A black man is president.
That is correct. That doesn't mean the system isn't racist. It just means Obama is an Uncle Tom.
>>712768156
Institutional racism doesn't exist. Point me to an example and I'll fight it with you.
People however can be racist. All people.
OP you just triggered like 90% of 4chan
black people can be racist to any race but white people
the privileged cant be opressed
>>712768333
Because he doesn't play by your rules he's an Uncle Tom.
You don't get to exclude those you don't like from your universal equation for racism. Reality doesn't fit your beliefs.
>>712762991
>>712763574
All bullshit aside, how are POCs oppressed?
Are there laws against them? Company protocols? Do they have less rights than the rest of us?
Are there rules somewhere that say "white people can do this or that, but POCs must be prevented from it"?
Because I'm pretty sure it's the direct opposite, with hate crime laws and affirmative action.
The "oppressed" crap is used way too often and, like "rape" and "racist", is losing its meaning fast.
>poc, women, and libtards too busy feeding culture of grievance and victimhood to hear my grievances and see that i am the real victim
>>712768400
pretty sure trips overrules your dubs, anon.
What has Obama done to alleviate systemic oppression? Nothing. Just like Trump won't do anything to alleviate systemic oppression of the white working class.
They'll all unequivocally in favor of the ruling class. That some of the oppressed are able to negotiate the system to rise to the top as individuals doesn't mean that the whole classes of oppressed are somehow liberated. They use race, sexuality, etc to keep us divided because they can. Nobody the major parties run for president will upend that system.
>>712762991
Bullshit, every genocide in the world was started with claiming that the people who had to be killed were oppressing the people doing the killing.
>>712768531
it doesnt matter if the constitution says everyone is equal if society still opress you for not being a white male
>>712768793
Doesn't answer any of the questions.
>>712768710
What systemic oppression exists?
Trump is unequivocally in favor of the working class, had blacks not voted in droves as they usually do for democrats he would've had the largest margin of working class voters in recent history.
Democrats don't alleviate systemic oppression because none exists. They just use it as a talking point for more voters.
Are you seriously this brainwashed? How did you find 4chan?
>>712762991
>I embrace my privilege
How does it feel to be a 2nd class citizen?
I have:
>More$
>More access
>The world views me positively
>Average higher IQ
>Better family structure
I could go on...
>>712768988
>What systemic oppression exists?
You can easily use the internet to find information on that. Go read up on redlining and police brutality. Go read up on imbalances sentencing. Do some reading on why poor neighborhoods lack grocery stores. The information is out there if you aren't lazy.
>Trump is unequivocally in favor of the working class,
This is a joke right? This billionaire international businessman doesn't care about the working class. He'll betray his supporters just like every other politician. Take your dick out of his mouth.
>How did you find 4chan?
I've been here all summer.
>>712768875
jfc just listen to poc/minorities and their experiences: police brutality, wage gap, people like trump being elected president bc 'hes gonna kick all those mexicans and muslims out of america', fascist parties making a comeback in europe, pocs getting a bigger sentence for doing the same as a white person...
again, the state might not be racist, but society sure is
>>712769279
>Take your dick out of his mouth.
Or his out of yours, actually.
>>712769279
>I've been here all summer.
Heh.
>>712762991
Racism isn't about oppression, it's about disposition.
i"ve been silent-- for*a while^^
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>>712769529
Blacks shout police brutality at the drop of a hat it has lost all meaning. Wage gap is bullshit if you studied at school you would have better grades and better job instead of dealing crack. Don't bullshit me I watched the wire.
Trump said he would report illegal immigrants which is benefit even for legal immigrants dummie. And he wanted to stop Muslims from Syria until they found a way to check they weren't terrorists which is pretty reasonable tbh fam. Hmmm I wonder why fascist parties are making a comeback because Europe is bring flooded with people who don't like European or western culture and fucking ruined their own country with shirt religion and now want to ruin all other countries because they don't understand religion is a set of ideas that should be questioned and debated. Germany and Angela are so fucking embarrassed and ashamed STILL from the war even though everyone from that time is dead they are killing their own culture by swamping it with Muslims because of embarrassment. Truly an eye for an eye how poetic.
>>712769529
>police brutality
PoC's commit more crime. Like, a LOT more. Cops being on edge is natural.
Guess which group kills the most cops.
>wage gap
I'm going to guess the reasons behind this are similar to the gap between men and women.
>people like trump being elected president bc 'hes gonna kick all those mexicans and muslims out of america'
>fascist parties making a comeback in europe
Because massive immigration brings stuff like crime, violence, rape, etc.
Just look at what happened in Germany at New Year.
>pocs getting a bigger sentence for doing the same as a white person
You get a bigger sentence if you have a history of previous crimes.
Ergo, you get a bigger sentence when the first one wasn't enough to teach you to stop breaking the law.
>>712769279
Search "Washington Post police shootings". More whites are killed than blacks every year. If there was any evidence of institutional racism the media would bring it to the forefront and a huge public lawsuit would be had. Remember the Christian bakery refusing gays? Remember how stupidly big that story got? Yeah.
If you're too stupid to look at Trumps economic plan I can't help you, I'm not here to teach you the basics.
>all summer
Yeah.
>>712770607
>>all summer
>Yeah.
lurk moar newfriend
>>712762991
>>712770825
Turn your sarcasm detector up mate
The summer meme isn't an oldfag secret
>Pretty neat shit there. Call a person your "oppressor" and all the sudden you're invincible with unlimited hate ammo. Gee I wish I was "oppressed"
Racism isn't oppression.
You also can be racist when you are not the one in power.
Also blacks don't get oppressed anymore.
>>712770607
Reams of documentation and analysis of systemic racism in the US exists. You'd rather ignore it.
>Trumps economic plan
Even if Trump's plan wasn't garbage, what makes you think the Congress will enact it? You're more likely to get Paul Ryan's plan, so I hope you enjoy your Randian dystopia.
>>712764548
>immigrant from Europe
>no history of owning slaves
So now what? Try to get me for something other than my skin color. Otherwise you're just a thinly veiled racist.
>>712771280
I'm not ignoring it, I'm asking you to provide me with proof. I WANT to see it.
You honestly have no idea how economics works do you? Trumps plan is unironically his best selling point. Coupled with all his other platforms he's an (almost) dream candidate.
>>712771445
>implying whites in general haven't benefited from racism
Maybe you should spend less time being triggered and worrying someone is blaming you specifically, and instead work toward eliminating racism instead.
Point out racism isn't an accusation against you unless you plan on defending it.
>>712764548
>USA's 200+ years of slavery
At its height, around 5% of white people owned slaves.
Free black people also owned slaves.
Slavery is a shitty argument to use against white people.
>>712771570
>I'm asking you to provide me with proof.
lrn2google
>>712771697
Why don't minorities leave America if they hate white people so much? Wouldn't they be happier in their ancestral countries?
>>712771777
>what is burden of proof
>>712762991
well he's actually right.
but while racism is not an issue there is no end to the fucked up shit you can do to a man in the name of prejudice.
>>712771783
Minorities don't hate white people
>>712772058
So if whites hate minorities so much wouldn't the minorities be better of in majority colored countries?
>>712771818
I'm not writing you a dissertation on race and racism in the US, and this isn't the welfare office, so no hand-outs. There are plenty of topics mentioned upthread that you can search to get your started.
Quit being a lazy nigger and educate yourself, faggot.
>>712772058
>>712772181
The vast majority of whites don't hate minorities either.
Stop confusing individual prejudices with systemic oppression.
>>712762991
Just fucking kill yourself.
>>712772230
If it is so prevalent it shouldn't be hard to give me one shred of evidence. In the time it took you to write that you could've googled me one example of systemic racism.
But you didn't. Because it doesn't exist.
>>712772333
Okay, so no hate.
If systemic racism exists wouldn't POC STILL be better off in majority colored countries?
>>712771734
Underrated post
Also blacks in africa enslaved blacks, whites enslaved whites, muslims enslaved whites, whites enslaved muslims, blacks enslaved whites, muslims enslaved blacks, ect. There is still only one group that has systematically ENDED slavery. And that is whites
>>712772378
>trolling
>>712772436
People find other ways to oppress each other. Wherever there are people, there are divisions. Race in the US is just a symptom of broader tendency toward inequality. The goal should be fight oppression in all forms wherever they are.
Colored person=racist
Person of color=not racist
Really makes you think
>>712772463
hurr durr we ended slavery hurr durr black people owns us their lives~
>>712765481
race does exist because it's a social construct around the subspecies of humanity.
quit peddling this dumb shit.
>>712762991
I see the libtards are in force today with their made up "facts" please do the world a favor and die
>>712772592
Okay, so systemic oppression exists against everyone? So POC can't claim white privilege anymore?
And I'd like to make a point here, it'll probably be lost on you but I'll try anyway. The story of history has written in blood the effects diversity and multiculturalism has on nations, it creates division and hatred...why is America different?
And America is not a melting pot. Until 1965 it was restricted to European immigration.
>>712772627
That's quite the straw man you have there sir
>>712771697
Alright you went completely SJW, lies and all. Just admit you hate whites and you are just manipulating the definition of racism so you can blame all your problems on whites just like the Germans did the Jews in WW2. The real problem is your pissed because your life sucks, because life sucks. Stop blaming whites and just deal with it. The problem if racism cant be solved by blaming other races. The problem of racism will be solved when we stop telling our kids to be afraid of race x or not to trust race y. But since it seems a lot of different races do that, it wont be solved. Also how hard is it for you to realize that you're so fuckimg well off that you gotta lie and bend the truth to remain a victim? I'm not triggered but there's no brief tldr to explain such a fickle issue.
>>712772627
They sure as fuck don't owe us their hate. That's some goddamn bullshit.
caucasian verified
>>712772802
The goal should be to overcome the idiotic divisions between humanity, not embrace them.
Human nature is not immutable, and everything horrible out history is not a justification for a horrible future. The truth is humanity has a choice about how it lives. The tragedy is we keep just doing the same horrid shit over and over and pretend we have to do it.
>>712762991
Fact: every race is capable of racism.
Op is a cucked out faggot
>>712773010
This is going to be a bitter pill to swallow, but people are different. Egalitarianism doesn't exist. Nature isn't egalitarian ffs, what makes you think we were created equally? Because of God?
>>712772916
>Just admit you hate whites, etc
I'm white.
>>712762991
>systematically racist
No black people cannot be racist in this sense because they aren't apart of the system to be with with
>racist as in, discriminatory on the basis of skin color
Nigga get thee whole fuck outta here if you think black people cant hate or act a certain way towards someone because they're a certain color. If I hate someone because they're white/Mexican/Asian/etc. I'm racist, fuck outta here with that backwards ass coon logic
>>712772927
full offense but poc have all the rights in the world to hate white people after all we did to them
it's like saying i have to like the spanish conservative party because they were the 1st ones to let women vote after the francoist regime, even tho they're the ones who oprossed us (and still do)
>>712773154
>i missed the point
Read it again:
>Human nature is not immutable, and everything horrible out history is not a justification for a horrible future. The truth is humanity has a choice about how it lives. The tragedy is we keep just doing the same horrid shit over and over and pretend we have to do it.
Good luck.
>>712771280
niggers are garbage.. /thread.. the most vile racist turds in existence.
>>712773435
A black man is president.
What magical fucking system do you think exists filled with evil white guys?
if there's anything true or useful about OP's post it's that 'racist' isn't a useful word anymore.
>>712773503
It's just masturbatory intellectualism, nobody wants to genocide anybody.
What I focused on however was your first point on differences. We are different. Races evolved in separate environments for 10s of thousands of years, why don't you think we are different?
>>712773551
No one said there was a system full of "evil white guys", I said there was a system.
you all are missing the whole point here
poc CAN be racist, but between each other, not to white people since we're the priviledge ones
can an asian be racist towards blacks? yeah
can a black person be racist towards latins? absolutely
can they be racist to whites? nope, they can have prejudices, but not be racist
>>712773684
Dude its beyond implied in every fucking word you type. You don't have to say it anymore. Subtle racism 101.
>>712773684
But you said blacks aren't a part of the system
What system are you referring to? Cause like, you know a black dude is the president right
>>712773551
>A mixed man is president.
fixed
>>712773664
We're superficially different but still the same species. No credible scientist of human diversity denies that.
The effective differences are largely historical and cultural. Conflating biodiversity with sociocultural diversity is a huge mistake.
>>712773816
>excluding whites
>not racist
Pick one.
>>712773551
Also, what the fuck does a black man being elected president have to do with shit? That nigga being president and black don't change nothing, if the president was Asian, Mexican, or a woman, what difference does it make?
>>712762991
This statement comes from Robin Diangelo. She just pulled it out of her ass.
She didn't do no analysis or anything, she just talked to some black people and tried to find some way to formulate what she heard.
She must have been talking to some fucked up black people.
By the way almost no one except SJWs accepts the 'racism = prejudice + power' shit. In a court room they would tell you to go fuck yourself.
>>712774001
>>712774010
>>712773975
Because systemic racism doesn't exist...
I know thinking is hard, but try to keep up lads
>>712773487
>poc have all the rights in the world to hate white people after all we did to them
No, they don't. They really really don't.
First of all, none of them have experienced what they're complaining about. It happened to previous generations of blacks, and was perpetuated by previous generations of whites. Now they're just clinging to hate.
Second of all, whites are really trying to adhere to blacks' wants. Hate crime laws, affirmative action, positive representation in media, nation-wide news stories whenever blacks are victims of whites, etc.
At this point blacks are being some picky whiners.
>>712773972
Yes, but Darwins theory acknowledges sub-species...
Evolution is a product of environment and time. When an animal doesn't develop desired characteristics to survive in their environment, they are killed off (natural selection).
It's why Africans dominate running events and whites dominate lifting events. The sooner we acknowledge these differences the better our societies will be.
>>712774202
No I think you are just beyond reason at this point. Your point is a lie. You can say it all you want but that wont make it true
>>712762991
>Because one of the most powerful men in the world for the past 8 years was a blacko.
gd bait though
>>712773883
>>712773872
Black people used to be slaves, thus they will always subconsciously be looked at a little differently. That's the "system" I'm referring to, although I don't believe system is the correct term. It's not about race, race isn't even a real thing, it's a social construct, let's make that clear. The color of your skin doesn't determine shit about you except for what society tells you it does. If white people were the ones enslaved there'd still be a "system", if Asians/Europeans/South Americans/Whomever. It doesn't matter the skin color of the enslaved, what matters is that they were enslaved in the first place.
tl;dr: when a group of people were once slaves they will always be looked at a certain way, subconsciously or otherwise, that is the "system" I'm referring to.
>>712774233
all I pointed out was obama is mixed.
for instance ben carson is actually black. tiger woods is not actually black.
>>712774500
Get the absolute fuck out of here lmfao
>everyone is subconsciously racist
Straight back to tumblr with you.
But for that matter, why wouldn't POC just go back to African countries if everyone was a closet racist?
>>712774233
Just because one person (black president) circumvents the system, that does not negate or deny its existence.
>>712774370
Yeah I'm pretty tired of us whiny and playing the victim tbh
>inb4 race traitor
>>712774672
But shouldn't systemic racism have prevented it in the first place? How would the system let those it oppresses get into the highest power?
Oh wait, because it doesn't exist
>>712774428
>Yes, but Darwins theory acknowledges sub-species...
You do realize there's been a lot of work on evolution since Darwin? He's not the final say or even the most correct version.
>>712774778
Aye that's a great question... but it exists unfortunately
>>712774784
By Darwins theory I just meant evolution in general. If you can find a flaw in my logic, by all means point it out, otherwise your just being pedantic.
>>712774893
You're*
>>712762991
aww...you're feeling oppressed. sorry for that. :)
>>712774500
No, black people used to be tribal savages. Lots of them even sold out their own to whitey. Lots of em owned slaves too. There were also white slaves like the Irish. Your point is invalid.
>>712762991
Unefu atef
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ODMUbe7J-I&t
>>712774752
We could use more race traitors.
>>712775195
Still are tribal savages too might I add.
>>712774370
so you're saying that they have to ignore all the horrible shit they went through since colonial times? that shit doesnt get forgotten that easily
the effects of slavery and colonialism still affect poc today
>>712762991
Mein Kamerad! Immer kämpfen!
>>712775390
How?
>>712775390
Yes, it helps the healing process to not rip open healing wounds. And yes it really does affect them in a positive way.
>>712775538
Möge dich eine rechte Todesschwadrone töten.
>>712774667
Ugh, jeez, I'm not saying everyone is a closet racist. I'm saying people think certain things about black people, purely because they're black, no other reason. Does that make someone racist? Fuck no. Does that make someone a bad person? Nope. Those thoughts aren't positive things, but they do not indicate any type of ill will or bad feelings.
I'm an intelligent person; I treat everyone with respect and polite manners, regardless of wether or not they deserve it; I've been in private school all my life, traveled the country, left the country, I got a full tuition scholarship to university. I've been fortunate enough to live a life better than most people. But no matter where I go or what I accomplish I will always be looked a certain way because I have brown skin. I'm not saying the people that give me those looks are racist are bad people at all. Hell, its natural to be cautious or inquisitive of what looks different from you.
All I'm saying is, sometimes blacks getting treated or looked at a certain way because they're black. It happens to all skin colors for different reasons, black people just happen to have the context of an former institution that was dedicated to their oppression (the American slave trade).
>>712774893
Animals don't really develop characteristics to survive their environment. Ones that lack characteristics necessary to survive and reproduce die don't contribute to the gene pool of the next generation. That's an important difference.
Your flaw is that you assign a value judgement to something that has no inherent value, e.g. races and your myths about them.
Darwinian success is merely surviving to reproduce and passing your genes to the next generation. That's it. So illiterate Jamal with 15 kids by 15 mothers is more of an evolutionary success than President Obama. Chances are Jamal's kids will have several kids of their own.
Racists don't actually understand or care about evolution. They adopt some sort of mistaken "survival of the fittest" Spencerian evolutionism that incorrect tries to attach biological significance to arbitrary social norms and then dispense value judgments about them.
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>>712775737
Kommt und stirbt, Faschist.
>>712775576
just read all this posts here, majority of the people think that black people are savages.
They lost part of their culture, they were taught to hate themselves, segregation was a thing until not so long ago so many black families havent been able to get out of poverty..., and many more ways
>>712775849
Okay, I take great issue with that first part.
Animals don't develop traits to survive in their environments? What the holy fuck dude? Are you a moron? What do you call melanin? What do you call fur camouflage for rabbits? Why are Africans more developed for running while whites are for lifting?
My fucking god dude, this is basic evolutionary theory.
>>712776152
Niemals, du Zecke.
>>712775600
how in the world does slavery affect them in a good way
>>712776501
All of that would be true if this were the 1920's...but it isn't.
How many times have you heard white people have no culture? Do a quick search on Twitter and sift through the thousands of posts saying that. Now do the same for black people. I think you'll find a glaring difference.
>>712776699
Try reading that again.
>>712776501
This guy gets it
people seem to forget that American slavery was not normal slavery, it was chattel slavery (google it). Telling black people to just forget about slavery and it's lasting effects is like taking the air out of a car's tires and expecting it drive completely normal. Will it drive? It sure will, but it's gonna drive completely fucked up
>>712776883
Chattel slavery is much better than normal slavery....not sure what your definition is...
>>712776548
You're entirely wrong. Animals do not develop traits to survive their environment. Lamarckian evolution is not real.
The only source of new variation at the level of individuals is mutation, which does not happen for a purpose other than by chance.
The other forces of evolution (natural selection, genetic drift, gene flow) occur to change the frequencies of genes at the group level, not the individual level, by adding or subtracting individuals carrying variation. Individuals who cannot survive *and reproduce* do not add to the next generation. Populations become "adapted" when deleterious variations are pruned from the population.
You're confusing individual and group level processes.
>>712762991
racism != oppression
Try harder.
>>712776765
jfc the whole 'white people have no culture' is a meme
when have white people been opressed because our culture is inferior to others?? yeah, never
>>712776765
You have a point except the fuckery continued after slavery from then up to like the 1960-70s
If apologies and reparations were made right after slavery everything would be cool... but white folks had to keep on that fuck shit for a little while longer lol
>>712771783
>Why don't minorities leave America if they hate white people so much? Wouldn't they be happier in their ancestral countries?
It was tried once. When slaves were freed in USA hey were offered to be returned to Africa. Some agreed and went back to the shithole they came from. First thing those ex-slaves did after reaching land was enslaving the locals.
>>712777042
Okay...so I definitely stand corrected here. But if I'm not mistaken, this still applies to human animal groupings, does it not?
I mean we evolved in different environments, surely desirable traits differed between the European woodlands and the African Savannah?
Melanin, for example?
>>712762991
Yeah
>>712776608
Wir kommen für sie - und niemand wird für sie sprechen.
>>712777125
I'd hesitate to use the word oppressed, but it certainly permeates modern thought today.
>>712777569
Yes, of course it does.
As I said above:
>Your flaw is that you assign a value judgement to something that has no inherent value, e.g. races and your myths about them.
>Darwinian success is merely surviving to reproduce and passing your genes to the next generation. That's it. So illiterate Jamal with 15 kids by 15 mothers is more of an evolutionary success than President Obama. Chances are Jamal's kids will have several kids of their own.
>Racists don't actually understand or care about evolution. They adopt some sort of mistaken "survival of the fittest" Spencerian evolutionism that incorrect tries to attach biological significance to arbitrary social norms and then dispense value judgments about them.
In addition, racists have yet to demonstrate that the variation they assign to races actually has some sociocultural or moral value, which is what they're really asserting.
>>712777175
Yeah but none of that exists today tho
There are no lasting effects post like 1940's, hell, black communities were doing better in the 60s than they are now.
if some of you studied some history...
>>712777718
Viel Spaß beim Rundflug.
>>712777890
Right I see what you mean. But my point here is that we're different, in ways that can be quantified, like IQ.
I'm certainly not claiming superiority or inferiority of anyone, I just want this issue clarified.
>>712763574
Racism does not require power. That isn't propaganda.
>>712777569
>surely desirable traits differed between the European woodlands and the African Savannah?
It's not enough to subdivide us beyond the level of species.
Funny thing about our external variation: humans as a group are incredibly similar and have very low levels of genetic variation compared to other species. The visuals of humanity are misleading.
>>712765020
Fucking this. Going to use this every time someone makes this retarded argument. Thanks, anon.
>>712778219
*is
>>712778110
Das ist das fazit des Faschismus. Immer.
>>712778426
Well humans also share the majority of DNA with chimps, not exactly a solid argument.
>>712776977
Hahahahahagaha, that's a good one. Google chattel slavery and get back to me. Matter of fact I'll just explain real quick:
>normal slavery
The rules and laws of property apply to a human. Meaning there are rules and laws dictating what you can and cannot do with that property (the slave).
>chattel slavery
The slave is instead treated like personal property, meaning the owner of that slave is free to do with them whatever they Please aka there are no rules or laws for what they can do with their property (the slave)
You seem like an idiot so I'll go ahead and break down a simple difference between property and personal pottery moronically so you'll understand.
>property
Something you like a house. You pay to have ownership of it. It belongs to you but is not truly yours. Someone can still dictate what you can or can't do with it. >an apartment belongs to you, but if you destroy it you're breaking the law
>personal property
You own it, no if and or buts. It is yours to do whatever with it you please.
>if you smashed your favorite coffee mug into pieces no one gives a fuck it's your own problem.
>>712778536
Nur wenn man sich nebenbei mit der ganzen zivilisierten Welt aufeinal anlegt.
Beim Kommunismus verhungert auch ohne Krieg ein großer Teil der Bevölkerung.
>>712762991
Dumbass Jew logic.
>>712778187
Intelligence is difficult to quantify, and you really cannot separate it from context and make sweeping statements about humanity. Yes, there are idiots and geniuses, sure. But on the whole humanity has the same potential for genius and stupidity.
Take the lead contamination in Flint recently. That environmental effect lowered IQs because lead does that. Environmental lead lowers intelligence. So does lack of nutrition and all of those social variable associated with poverty, like parents not reading to kids and the stress of poverty.
But, some kid's lead and poverty induced low IQ isn't heritable, therefore his offspring have a chance except for those heritable social conditions that immiserate him. The same goes for all of the white morons of rural America or the third world.
You cannot separate all of that out easily when measuring.
>>712778598
My point was chattel slavery was a free enterprise. Slaves were used to make profit, you'd be shooting yourself in the foot if you killed or mistreated your slaves too much. You relied on them for profit.
Normal slavery is often government run and sanctioned, like the Roman Empire, meaning countries are conquered by a professional army and thousands of slaves are taken away.
>inb4 that's what Americans did
African kingdoms like Kongo sold America slaves.
>>712778565
Humans and chimps cannot interbreed. We don't share the same number of chromosomes.
Humans of whatever geographic origin can. If I recall correctly, the great apes are more genetically diverse than we are. Humanity's differences are due to a relatively recent bottleneck.
>>712777952
Nah, I think there are lasting effects still because nothing happened to remedy the effects that were there in the first place. People tend to have a time heals all wounds approach when that's not the case. Plus drugs were purposely placed into black communities under the Reagan administration so there's that.
>>712778996
What would you say about studies like the Minnesota Transracial adoption study? Or the difference in SAT scores of whites and blacks within the same economic bracket?
>>712779203
Right, you agree with me lol, just because we share so much genetic material doesn't mean we are similar.
Humans have sub-species, but a lot of people won't even recognize that.
>>712779330
That's a hell of a victim complex dude
Stop blaming others for your problems
>>712779034
So you're not an idiot, my apologies anon. Well I'm either case of slavery you want your slaves to stay alive and well. No matter what a slave is still only as useful as well as they can function. My point is that chattel slavery had no rules or regulations. In other cases of slavery like Slavs in Russia I believe (I could be thinking of a different instance of slavery) there were laws in place stopping owners from treating the slaves inhumanly (torture, separating families). With American slavery if you wanted to cut your slaves foot of and fuck the hole for shits n gigs you could and no one could stop you.
>>712779793
Yeah, but that didn't happen. It's like slashing the tire of a tractor on your farm, to put it bluntly.
I'm sure there were some exceptional cases, there always will be, but that certainly didn't happen in a large scale.
>>712779512
>Humans have sub-species
No serious scholars of human diversity think subspecies are present amongst humans. The closest you get is some folks thinking Neanderthals are a subspecies instead of a separate species.
This is all pointless, though. Modern science sees no empirical evidence for biological race.
Furthermore, you continue to avoid the problem with deriving value judgements from biological variation, which is what racists to do. Even if subspecies of humanity existed, you do not have a firm basis for making value judgements for Group A is better than Group B.
I don't agree without because I don't see that phenotypic variation as enough for the distinctions you draw, much less as something to make value judgements about.
And on that, it's 5 pm and I'm going home. You'll have to argue against the next shift if you want more.
>>712779203
>Humanity's differences are due to a relatively recent bottleneck.
Ironically, this is only true outside of sub-saharan africa. All non-africans are closely related, but they're relatively distant from africans. The genetic distance between a dog and a wolf is smaller than the difference between a scandinavian and a west african.
>>712779346
Flawed study that can be bent to whatever position one wants, unfortunately.
>>712780146
Lol I never claimed one was superior or inferior, just arguing the differences. Keep it real homie.
>>712762991
white people can be racist black people can be racist anyone can be racist
>>712780281
How? What about the differences in SAT scores?
>>712780405
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minnesota_Transracial_Adoption_Study#Interpretations
Decent enough summary of the problems
>>712779616
I think you're wildly misusing the term victim complex. It's pretty crazy to expect the oppressed to fix the problems their own oppression created but whatever
>>712780743
You're not oppressed.
>>712780534
Right, but the SAT scores of races traditionally match the hypothesis of the study. Wouldn't that give it further credibility?
>>712762991
You can, once the playing field is level. Are you saying you believe the playing field will never be level? That you can never win?
