have you signed the petition for EC to void the trump apparent election, if not why nohttps://www.change.org/p/electoral-college-electors-electoral-college-make-hillary-clinton-president-on-december-19?tk=C6xRmbAcz5jzvm-vE98MZxnnWRjeZNJZN4IXaAa_TUo&utm_source=petition_update&utm_medium=emailt
I signed about a week ago. Trump election was gg and all but joke's over. He's simply unfit.
I think he will fuck up and destory America,fuck it. Let it burn
>>712420957
>implying a change.org petition has ever brought about change
i'd rather sign a petition to elect a dead cat into the white house tbqhfam
Invest in Pussy-Grabbing futures, they will be more profitable
The left literally can't handle losing. It's inconceivable that their snowflake worldview isn't shared by all. What a bunch of children. Fix your shit party and have a better candidate next time.
This is finally the time where us young people realize they have to put in the effort when it matters or you don't get the results you want. You can't change shit after the fact you whiny cunts. Experience the next four years and then see how you feel. Trump was elected by a fair and legal election God damnit.
>>712420957
you hate democracy that much do you??
peoples have voted and your petition invalid.
go in china they are your kinds they dont like democracy and hate usa, we have see you burn the usa flag multiple times already. bet you would do fine there.
trump win and changing it would invalid democracy... even some monkey like you should understand it ??
accept it, and he not unfit or anything, you guys are unfit for life and you still here !! so shut up!!
try in 4 years bunch of poor students faggot
>freak out thinking trump won't accept election results
>won't accept election results
Libs
>>712421670
all trump has actually won as of today is a participation ribbon
>>712421968
how do people following the constitution "invalidate democracy'?
>>712420957
TLDR OP : that not fair i did not win waaaainnnnn
change it !! not fair !! i want my special place !!
let riot !!destroy because i dont have my way!!
that my way or no way !!! waaaaaaaaaaaa
( left brain )
>>712420957
Why the fuck are you on /b/
>>712420957
I suppose to you, that signing an online petition means something. It make you feel better, like you've done something. Your president has accepted the election results, so has your candidate. Why can't you?
People have been saying the EC needs to go away for years. I don't entirely disagree, but you should be petitioning for its dissolution for NEXT election. It was in place for this year's vote, so deal with it.
>>712422215
because you dont win you want change the democracy elective system... how that not changing the democracy ?? if you do this way obama should not have win either....but that was okay respect the elective system when you win right ?? that only not okay when you loss ?? do you have brain ?? trump win fairly and what you are trying to do invalid the democracy and the elect system who got used since forever for elect the president... you loss and you want change it ?? so yeah you are invaliding the democracy and you dont respect the will of the many millions of peoples who voted for trump, he did win. you dont respect them too with doing kids stuft like that...
when you are in the streets what you are doing ?? forcing peoples loss their job ?? take more times get homes ?? destroy stuft ??
like a bunch of retard... most peoples think you are bunch of faggot teen crying for nothing.
act like a adult and accept that he win fairly, and try in 4 years... that the only options..
bunch of kids gezzzz
>>712422398
we only want to EC to do their damn job and protect the union from a man clearly unfit for POTUS
>things didn't go the way i wanted. i want a mulligan
ITT
>>712422785
don't you grasp the election is not over yet, ass-sponge? we arnt changing anything, we ware trying to make a point to the folks that WILL BE ELECTING THE POTUS that Trump is unfit, and not the will of the people, and they are tasked with considering that HRC got more than 2.5 million more votes, and that Trump is a sociopath
>>712423139
why can't you tards realize that your small group of minority and millennial crybabies with a strong sense of entitlement don't make up the 'will of the people'
>>712422801
Awww, because of your little opinion?
This is why Trump will be the next President. A few areas of high population density should not decide for the entire nation.
>>712422801
>we only want to EC to do their damn job and protect the union from a man clearly unfit for POTUS
So you're asking them to NOT do their job which is to cast their vote for the candidate their state voted for.
>>712423572
nice attempt. a few areas of high population density
>more people than all the red combined
This is just sad. We're not a democracy and we never were. Just because you didn't understand the rules before you joined the game doesn't mean we should change them to what you believed they were. Get fucked, OP. President Trump is here to stay and no amount of tantrum can change it.
>>712424015
exactly. if clinton lost the popular vote and won the EC theyd praise the framers foresight. people need to vote for the local elected officials this shit might not have happened.
>>712420957
>decide to visit /b/ after several years
>see this thread
what a bunch of cucks. glad I stopped browsing this board
>>712424116
And, again, why should they decide for the entire nation? You people keep avoiding that point... or when you do answer, you claim to know what's best for everyone else. YOU are the reason for the electoral college system.
So, yes- let's play the numbers game. U.S. population: ~319 million. Hillary voters: ~65 million. 254 million people did not vote for Hillary. That's as stupid as your comment.
>>712420957
If it gets enough votes I'm sure the country will suddenly just ignore that part of the constitution no problem
Oddly, all dead voters seem to vote Democrat.
>>712420957
>mfw lefties don't understand that trying to overturn the outcome of a vote that millions voted in just because they don't like the result can set a dangerous precedent for the future
I don't hate democracy, so I won't sign anything that attempts to decry it.
>>712424584
if 254m people didnt vote for clinton, then 255.5 people didnt vote for trump. the "nation" doesnt get a vote, nor is sq miles a relevant metric. its majority rule.
>>712421255
>being this butthurt
>>712425051
>its majority rule
No, no it's not. That's not how it works.
Why is he unfit? Have you even been paying attention since his election? He is proving to be completely fit for office.
>>712425051
The United States isn't a democracy. It's a Constitutional Republic. Are you a eurofag, or just an ignorant moron?
>>712420957
Obama fucked America hard for 8 years, doubling the debt. Wasn't that enough for you?
Already since being elected, Trump has driven the dollar to a 13 year high, and DEFCON condition is at its safest.
>>712425051
>what is electoral college
>>712420957
before the election 4chan was full of threads like "why you not vote for trump", "trump is the only answer"
And now? America is fucked and almost all of you want to get rud of thus Hitler 2.0
>>712420957
Keep crying baby! This is exactly why Trump won and the right is getting stronger.
>>712420957
it's entertaining watching trumpfags and hillaryfags throw tantrums
i hope the EC does go with hillary just so we can continue this shit show a bit longer
>>712422215
>following the constitution
The electoral college is in article two of the constitution you mong. Overgrown babies literally seek to override the constitution simply because their candidate lost. The electoral college exists so people from all areas of the country can participate in politics, so they can't be crushed by the tyranny of the majority. Without the electoral college NYC and California would decide every election. If all of the country was ignored except those two states you can bet your ass after a few years you'd see civil war.
>>712423139
In fact you are completely correct. The election is not over yet.
What is missing now is the electoral college vote where 200 hillary diehards and 306 lifetime republicans will cast a vote to select the president of the united states.
Once the vote is complete this vote will be taken to the republican congress to ratify the vote. Any votes not ratified by congress are thrown away. The person with most votes gets elected president of the united states.
So what are the possible scenarios?
1) all 200 dems vote Hillary and you find 52 lifetime republicans to vote Hillary. Congress throws away the 52 votes and Trump is elected president. No good
2)You make a deal with congress to elect a hardcore republican president. Now you get 200 hardcore hillary voters to vote republican plus you convince republican voters to choose a different republican from trump. The new republican is in and Trump is out. good job
A constitutional republic, a union of states
"but mah demokracy!!"
>>712423572
Land does not vote
>>712421650
You said it brother. The crybabies can't handle it. It's entertaining to see how weak they are. I absolutely love the taste of hippy tears. Lol
>>712420957
I think you guys need to realize that if this happens, the USA is done. The idea that people in liberal dominated areas stand any chance in the inevitable civil war a faithless elector coup would start is foolhardy. You have spent decades giving up your rights to even possess equipment to fight such a war. Your parents did not see the value in teaching their children to fight, and you in turn have done the same. You have no guns, and brother, you better believe that every house that voted for Trump is full of them and people that know how to use them. This faithless elector nonsense is a recipe for total world collapse. If I voted for Trump (I did not), believe me when I say that if you get your wish and vacate his victory through dishonest trickery, it would force me to actively resist the usurpation of my government by any means at my disposal.
>>712420957
You guys talk about revolution and succeeding and shit. If you truly believe in your cause pick up a gun and fight for what you believe in. That's what all other communist revolutionise have done in the past. Either shit or get off the pot.
>>712427661
But they already voted against gun rights lmao
>>712420957
>>712420957
Why would I? I am very happy with the outcome.
>won 20 bucks in bet
>laughed at protesters
>laughed at ledit on /b/
This is all i need in life.
>>712422081
The irony is the people who are complaining probably all got participation ribbons as children
I think the best is when people talk about cali leaving the US.
Realisticly? It would be a second world slum in 10 years and people would be trying to hop the border into Oregon and Nevada. The mexicans would have to keep them out hahahaha.
>>712427661
If Cali ever did actually succeed from the union no dem would ever be elected in the US again
They kinda really need those votes every election
>>712420957
You understand this is simply a petition to petition the electors who haven't voted yet. Your petitioning them to vote against the candidate they are supposed to vote for. The states who haven't outlawed unfaithful electors are mostly red states. Meaning you have a very small chance they would vote against trump. Petition all you want, cry all you want, nothing will change. Grow a pair of balls and fix your retarded party. You guys even had Bernie supporters leave. Lol
Petitions don't override the constitution, dumbass.
>>712420957
How would this change things? Trump got more than the minimum 270 votes.
>>712421650
b-b-b-but it was HER turn!!!!1!!
>>712428226
Don't tell them that. Let them think it does. It will make the 19th so much better.
>>712428087
Yes exactly. Cali needs the US but the US doesn't need Cali.
>>712420957
I don't get why you guys are trying to fuck up your own country. There's no literally point in this
>>712428494
If California could leave the US who would the join .Mexico? It's all Mexicans here anyways.
>>712428332
For some reason they think a petition will give Hillary more votes than trump. Lol
>>712428730
Cali probably would. Lol Maybe Cali would rejoin Mexico all together. Cali would never leave because no one has the balls to pick up a gun and try to leave.
>>712425051
No, fool. The STATES rule. That is the heart of the electoral college- to give every STATE a say in the elections. It's not a popularity contest.
>>712429129
Exactly, until I really learned how the electoral college worked I was against it. Now that I know how it works, it really makes sense. The candidates have to make a point to campaign in every state vs just the populated areas.
>>712420957
you've voted already - and lost
you could have 60 million people sign it and it still wouldn't change a thing
>>712429392
This.
It's amazing what education and effort can yield in this world. Too bad that some lazy fucks believe that posting on the internet is putting out effort.
>>712420957
I'd consider it if the alternative was anyone but Hillary "Let's drone a man who makes governments accountable and have a little nuclear war with Russia on the side" Clinton
>>712429623
People are quick to complain when they put no effort into the outcome.
>>712420957
four and a half millions of salty butthurt asses. the fun never ends.
>>712420957
I got an idea, why don't you all properly support the party you want to win next time and make sure they select a viable candidate,
You're wasting your time otherwise
>>712423139
why he unfit ?? he a business man and he loss business for make a profit after when he did not pay for many years of impot... this was a smart move, loss a business for win 500% more with your others business.
overall you are unfit for think and trump realy not bad and he clearly not ''unfit'' when you get for exemple in canada : pots head snowboard teacher...for hillary got no background either running anyhting others that sending emails to saudi arabia...
he not unfit because you dislike him fucking retard.
a business man would be never less unfit that most peoples who got elected each years...
hell usa even got a actors one times... you called him unfit ??
special snowflake who try invalid when you dont have your way right ?
>when you're a dem too accustomed to having superdelegates who don't need to listen to constituents
>>712421650
This.
>>712432159
he is unfit because he does not have experience receiving money from lobbyists for services rendered.
sorry sorry, I meant to say he is unfit because he does not have political experience
>>712424015
no they are not tasked with blindly following in the goosesteps of the apparent emperor, they have been given the freedom to vote to protect the union against foes like trump who is siding with iran and Russia against us
>>712423420
you should be working for your side, so far we have 8 electors that are not following their party dictates and we still have more than 3 weeks to influence enough others that trump is a screwball
>>712432080
That's the thing, they thought Hillary was fit for president. Lol
>>712424767
this is a myth so far no dead voters have been spotted at any election spot
>>712433781
*citation needed
>>712424823
there is nothing to "overturn yet, round one has been played, but round 1 is not game set and match
>>712425291
all night twitter rant at anon, do you really want a president that gets in pissing matches on twitter?
>>712423139
It's the United States, not the United Peoples. States rights.
>>712420957
>petitions never changed anything
>EC wasn't a problem until the wrong candidate won
>wanting to change the rules mid election
How about no? If you want to change or remove the EC, do it before the next election. I don't even support Trump, but he won fair and square.
I wonder if the salty tear tsunami will lessen or increase when the electoral college finalizes this thing?
>>712428087
They couldn't succeed. If they tried the entire U.S Military will stomp on them in a heartbeat.
>>712426833
so you get to cherry pick the parts of the EC just like you do the second amendment, read the whole this ass-sponge, the MAIN job of the EC is to PROTECT THE UNION from seating person not suited for the office, regardless of how many people/states/ assmonkeys vote for him or her, it is an independent body tasked withnot letting jerkoff sociopaths, traitors , thieves, con men, and such obtain the power vested in the POTUS, their job, right now , as defined by the constitution, is to prevent a TRUMP presidency, in order to protect the union
>>712421255
lol gotta give it to the liberal cucks
They never stop shilling
>>712434946
Keep tilting those windmills, Don.
>>712432159
I think this grammar just gave me cancer.
>>712422215
go back to neogaf nigger faggot
DANCE MY PUPPETS! DANCE!
>>712435056
and you're still an irredeemable faggot
what else is new
>>712434946
Trump is none of those things.
And the EC practically never goes against their state, even in the states where unfaithfulness is forbidden. You just have no case.
Make your petition and keep crying, though. Anything to make you guys feel better.
>>712427533
civil war? bring it on ass munch, you wont do any better in CW2.0 as you did in CW1.0, bTW that is a really great argument you have for democracy, do what we say or we will start a war
>>712420957
Anyone who signs that or agrees with it is a traitor to the nation!
>>712434828
You obviously have no idea what you're talking about. The electoral college was implemented to prevent people who are potential threats to the nation from becoming president. It's basically a failsafe to prevent us from having a "hitler." The electoral college can choose to ignore the votes from their states, and in only 20 states are there penalties for doing so. Those penalties are a simple fine.
>>712424116
Grow up.
>>712434946
PLEASE show me where, in Article II of the Constitution, it shows any of the crap you're saying?
>>712433781
If you think this would actually happen, you're a fucking idiot.
I know it hurt to lose, but get over it and move on, you fucking baby.
>>712435300
>Trump is none of those things.
Not him, bet yeah, he is all those things and senile to boot.
Don't believe me? Check out videos of him in he 80's, and compare to his current speaking style.
It's like he's not even the same man.
His mental capacity has gone way downhill.
>>712420957
>crybaby liberals upset that they lost try to destroy our republic with their tears
Newsflash, he won. You could get a billion siggies on that petition, won't change a thing. You try to overturn this thing and succeed and 1776 will commence again amigo.
>>712420957
This election is the gift that keeps on giving. Seeing you fucking retarded children cry about it has been the high point of my year.
Thanks for making an other wise shitty year bearable.
>>712435425
How is this even relevant? Trump is not a threat to the nation, except for the feelings of some of the more retarded Hillary supporters. If they allowed a halfwit like Bush to be president, twice, why would they treat Trump as more of a threat? Idiots ranting "Trump is Hitler!" doesn't make it true.
>>712435301
>really great argument you have for democracy,
Even the /pol/tards would agree the EC isn't democracy.
Weather you like the EC or not, it's clearly not the will of the people.
>>712435425
I was talking about Cali succeeding, which there is talk of. That is an impossibility.
Now, about your other bullshit:
>electoral college was implemented to prevent people who are potential threats to the nation from becoming president.
Citation needed.
Also, the EC disobeying the states is unprecedented. It simply won't happen, because you cannot prove that he is a sociopath, a liar, or even a racist.
I can't wait until January so these threads will end and we can whitewater raft on the flow of millenial tears...
>>712434154
follow the conversations attached to the petition, they send updates daily
>>712435301
>this whole democracy meme
The United States is not a straight up democracy. The founding fathers were smart enough to know that eventually the majority could be idiots.
Allowing women and darkies to vote has made that happen.
>>712435897
It's the Constitutional LAW of the land. What part of that don't you comprehend? If you don't like part of the Constitution, fine. There's a process in place to change it. Why not avail yourself to it?
As an Eurofag, I can't wait what bullshit is going to happen in the US.
Civil war.
Libs will continue to bitch for their safe space.
Trump being an asshat.
The congress corrupting the states a bit more.
>Ooooooo... a petition.
>Bet the guy who's gonna be three steps from the nuke codes will really worry about your scary 'petition'.
>He'll probably nuke Idaho by accident. Step aside. Let the love flow unimpeded.
>>712435425
That is absolutely not the point of the electoral college.
The electoral college was to prevent against mob rule, and allow for less populated areas to not be pushed around by the high population areas.
Do you think some hipster faggot in brooklyn has any idea what the life of a farmer in nebraska is like?
>>712435897
>We are not a democracy
Your head is very thick.
The EC prevents tyranny of the majority.
>>712435982
So, you just posted something in hopes no one would call you on it? Got it.
>>712435725
He was smart enough to build a strategy to use the liberal media to win the election.
He has consistently made your side look like fools.
Sounds like even though he's not a great speaker (never was), the evidence isn't there that he's stupid.
>>712435418
it was traitors like Alexander Hamilton and George Washington, that forged this great country, if it takes being a traitor to follow in their footsteps , then so be it, let the chips fall where they may
Is it just me, or did Hillary suddenly age 15 years since the election?
>>712423572
>. A few areas of high population density should not decide for the entire nation.
"A few areas" never could decide anything.
If we had aa popular vote, then EVERY SINGLE VOTE in California, Texas, Florida, New York, Illinois, Georgia, Ohio, and Pennsylvania STILL isn't a majority.
Oh, and pic related is the real map of who voted for who where.
>>712420957
I bet half the people who signed that petition didn't even vote. Broke ass Liberals probably couldn't afford an uber to get them there.
>>712436150
this is NOT the role of the EC, learn to government ass-sponge
>>712436369
>you forgot you have no case
>>712435897
>EC isn't democracy
That's the first correct thing you've said. The united states is a republic.
Its not one election for president. It's basically 50 elections and each state that the candidate wins gives them a certain number of states.
Most people live in cities, so if it was strictly only about popular vote, fucknuts living in cities that only know about city life will dictate what happens to people who do things like produce all of the food for the city people.
The electoral college may not be perfect, but it is doing what it was intended to do.
It would take an amendment with ratification by like 2/3 of all states to remove the electoral college. You think those smaller states will just give away their power in the election willingly?
You're fucking stupid if you think your little online petition means jack shit. Would it make you feel better if all of Hillary's voters were mailed a participation ribbon?
>>712420957
What is the election then? Is it not a national petition to see who will run the country? I'm sorry, but your petition is meaningless.
>>712436542
exactly liberal crybabies, we created the EC so California would not be the only votes that counted, the founding fathers HATED california
>>712436584
>calling people an ass-sponge does not validate your point
>>712436150
This is exactly why a lot of us eurofags despise the EU. They're trying to enforce laws that should encompass vastly different geological and cultural regions of Europe, without acknowledging those differences. A farmer in Spain has competently different needs and opportunities than one in Finland. The only thing that prevents it all from being fucked beyond reason is every nation being able to veto any proposal. With Britain leaving, hopefully the whole bloated mess will collapse. The only thing the EU should be about is free trade and mobility. Everything else it does is cancer.
>>712436584
Then what is it, smart guy?
To make sure that the candidate who hurt your feelings isn't allowed to be president, even though they won according to the rules?
>>712436273
>He was smart enough to build a strategy to use the liberal media to win the election.
He got less votes than Romney in 2012.
He won the election because black men aren't going to vote for a white woman.
Hillary lost the election.
>>712436542
The Constitution designed the elections for the STATES to decide Presidents, not individual voters. That's what a representative government is. That's why we're a federated Republic and not a democracy. Go look at the Bill of Rights. The 10th Amendment. No, don't bother- I'll get it for you.
>The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
This means our founding fathers placed the states above the federal government, and this includes elections. And, they had the foresight to see that different demographics would have differing opinions.
The electoral college gives every STATE a voice in the national elections.
>>712436584
>hipster faggot from Brooklyn detected
>>712436469
Since she lost there's no need to try and make her look younger and more vibrant. Under all the makeup and meds, that's what she's looked like during the campaign as well.
>>712436584
>learn to government, ass-sponge
says the guy who thinks the electoral college is to make sure the person they don't like gets in even though they won.
>>712436799
Lol, trolled softly
>>712421255
So that's why the CTR still fund you shills... I was wondering why it hasn't stopped yet.
I guess this + the riots is the reason you are still getting paid.
>>712436820
>With Britain leaving, hopefully the whole bloated mess will collapse
And this is why they want an independent EU army. So the next time some country says "Smell ya later" the unelected law makers can sic the troops on them. For stability. And the greater good
>>712436941
There are many reasons why he won, but he still won despite everything that was against him all the while spending a fraction of what his opponents did.
That's a large achievement.
I supported Trump for teh lulz from the left and I signed the petition for teh lulz from the right.
I'm just so damn happy that all of these liberal faggots didn't get their way.
I'm beating a dead horse by bitching about the SJWs, censorship, feminism.. but those people that are truly regressive are shit human beings and I am glad that they received a reality-check.
>>712420957
You are fuck tarded, that's not how democracy works. You voted for him and that's that.
>>712421650
>Fix your shit party and have a better candidate next time.
Their next candidate is a Bernie-approved muslim... Kek
Also, fucking this. Liberals are pathetic.
>>712437265
meh.
The petition has no power, and nothing has ever come from one of those Change things. But, it makes the losing side feel better, so it's all good, I guess
>>712436799
>the founding fathers HATED california
kek
>>712437287
>lose an election despite how much you called your opponents racists, bigots, misogynists, etc
>becomes apparent that this strategy no longer works, and energizes the majority of the voter base who you tried to demonize
>instead of learning from this, double down and keep doing it after your crushing defeat.
The liberals are too stupid to learn from this, they're just going to dig themselves a bigger hole. Supposedly, Bill Clinton was pleading with Podesta and Hilldog to stop ignoring the working class white population, but they were too enamored with their shit-skin and faggot demographics to worry about them.
>>712421403
this
>>712436369
They were traitors to people across an entire ocean.
If you want to be a traitor then you should leave here and do it elsewhere, just like Hamilton and Washington.
>>712436799
>the founding fathers HATED california
>>712436542
>colouring
Opinion void and discarded.
Fuck off foreigner.
>>712437221
Thank God for the veto. Each minor nation would be held hostage in the glorious United States of Europe, unless it existed. Rather poor judgement to include it. Then again they tried their best to remove it. Fuck, my nation didn't even think we as citizens had the right to vote whether we should give up our sovereignty it not when they tried to push through the Lisbon whatchamacallit. Luckily the Irish saved or asses.
>>712436642
Amen and well said.
Those who disagree are traitors.
>>712436150
It was meant to protect against mob rule but it also was meant to prevent a demagogue riling up the uneducated citizens and winning a majority. The Electors are supposed to be made up of intelligent people who understand governance and what is actually good for the United States as a whole, a check on all the ways the majority could fuck over the country.
If someone absolutely unfit to rule managed to convince the masses, the Electors have the authority and power to completely ignore the will of the people and step in to choose the President. It used to be you actually voted for the Elector in question, so you'd be voting for someone you trusted to be intelligent and represent you well, now we vote for the President and the party of the candidate gets to choose the Electors, so that's kind of gotten fucked up.
Saying that because Hillary won the popular vote so she should be President is dumb and not a good reason to get rid of the Electoral College and as people have said is the whole purpose of the EC in the first place. But saying Trump is unfit to be President, from their perspective be it right or wrong, and therefore the EC should not choose him as President is well within the authority, and some might say duty, of the Electoral College.
My only issue with the EC is the all or nothing system they have most states, some proportional set up like Nebraska or Maine I feel would be a better representation and limit the amount of "wasted" votes.
>>712437599
Let them keep digging. Let these motherfuckers keep embarrassing themselves.
Hopefully a significant portion will kill themselves..
..but more likely is that it will take time for them to flock to another, more sensible herd of people. Even though it's a cliche' - I have noticed the phenomenon referred to as "Sheeple" more than I ever have in my entire 25 years of life. It's pathetic.
Almost all of my "friends" were Bernie Sanders supporters.. And supported Hillary. I hate my friends, but not once have I belittled myself by saying I support either of them.
>>712438366
>it also was meant to prevent a demagogue riling up the uneducated citizens and winning a majority. The Electors are supposed to be made up of intelligent people who understand governance and what is actually good for the United States as a whole, a check on all the ways the majority could fuck over the country.
>If someone absolutely unfit to rule managed to convince the masses, the Electors have the authority and power to completely ignore the will of the people and step in to choose the President.
PLEASE show me where this is in the Constitution. I've asked several times.
See, I've read the Constitution and all the amendments many times, so... show me what I've missed.
>>712436997
Are you drunk?
Screencap this and read it when you're sober.
The founding fathers created the EC because they were maintaining the status quo based largely on the British class system.
Just like direct appointment of senators (which we long ago abolished), the EC was intended to place power in the hands of the hereditary aristocracy, not "muh states".
The original system didn't have a popular vote at all.
The "better people" from the "right families" were the only people in the state legislatures, and they picked electors in secret, who then voted in secret.
But the federal government back then had little to no impact on peoples daily lives.
It had no money and almost no power.
And since the 10th amendment was actually the way things worked back then, the individual people weren't affected by whatever went on in Washington.
But since then, every single state had decided that popular vote is the way to go, the tenth amendment is a joke, and the federal government takes a third of your paycheck, and gives half that money back to states that toe the federal line.
It's not the same system, it's not the same government, and if the EC were replaced with popular vote, the worst thing that could happen is some populist demagogue (like Trump) might still get elected if he swayed the majority of people.
Meanwhile, your party hasn't had a non-incumbent win the popular vote since 1980.
In fact, each party has taken over the white house 5 times since the great depression.
All 5 times the democrats won the popular vote.
The republicans only beat the dems with the support of the American people twice.
Bush and Trump both became potus despite the will of the people, not because of it, and Nixon only won in'68 with 43% of the vote because the democrats split the ticket between two candidates.
While not entirely relevant to the thread, I think it's funny that all these left wing nut jobs who call out right wingers as being the mentally unsound racist assholes become ravenous domestic terrorists when they don't get their way.
>>712438927
So, go amend the Constitution. That's what it will take to remove that part of Article II. Let me know how that works out for you.
>2/3 vote in the House
>2/3 vote in the Senate
>2/3 vote of the States
>>712438672
>PLEASE show me where this is in the Constitution. I've asked several times.
Not him, but...
With the exception of the second and 14th amendments, the constitution doesn't give any reasons for why things are the way they are,
It doesn't say WHY the potus must be at least 35.
It doesn't say WHY senators weren't originally elected by the people.
etc.
>>712437265
You're an idiot but I support your cause. Imagine the lolz when Hillary still doesn't get elected.
>>712439373
You'd seem more credible if you knew how amendments actually worked.
Two of the last three republican non-popular wins have gotten people the start the amendment process.
And there are other ways of getting rid of the EC.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Popular_Vote_Interstate_Compact
>>712438672
Not in the Constitution explicitly but can be derived by the various requirements put forward, however it is spelled out a bit better by Alexander Hamilton in the Federalist Papers, specifically 68.
http://avalon.law.yale.edu/18th_century/fed68.asp
>It was equally desirable, that the immediate election should be made by men most capable of analyzing the qualities adapted to the station, and acting under circumstances favorable to deliberation, and to a judicious combination of all the reasons and inducements which were proper to govern their choice. A small number of persons, selected by their fellow-citizens from the general mass, will be most likely to possess the information and discernment requisite to such complicated investigations.
>It was also peculiarly desirable to afford as little opportunity as possible to tumult and disorder. This evil was not least to be dreaded in the election of a magistrate, who was to have so important an agency in the administration of the government as the President of the United States. But the precautions which have been so happily concerted in the system under consideration, promise an effectual security against this mischief. The choice of SEVERAL, to form an intermediate body of electors, will be much less apt to convulse the community with any extraordinary or violent movements, than the choice of ONE who was himself to be the final object of the public wishes.
>>712440706
> And as the electors, chosen in each State, are to assemble and vote in the State in which they are chosen, this detached and divided situation will expose them much less to heats and ferments, which might be communicated from them to the people, than if they were all to be convened at one time, in one place.
>Nothing was more to be desired than that every practicable obstacle should be opposed to cabal, intrigue, and corruption. These most deadly adversaries of republican government might naturally have been expected to make their approaches from more than one querter, but chiefly from the desire in foreign powers to gain an improper ascendant in our councils. How could they better gratify this, than by raising a creature of their own to the chief magistracy of the Union? But the convention have guarded against all danger of this sort, with the most provident and judicious attention. They have not made the appointment of the President to depend on any preexisting bodies of men, who might be tampered with beforehand to prostitute their votes; but they have referred it in the first instance to an immediate act of the people of America, to be exerted in the choice of persons for the temporary and sole purpose of making the appointment.
>>712438927
>they were maintaining the status quo based largely on the British class system.
Can you cite a source, because while republicanism at the time was popular in academic circles it's beliefs are directly contrary to how most class systems functioned at the time. Class at the time was based on noble lineage, to be in the highest class your family had to have connections to or have ancestry to a noble. Futhermore the letters written by the founding fathers when they were alive shred into the fabrics of many institutions that propped up the class system, such as the church. The only link I can see to what your saying is that academics were well off.
>>712439479
One of the greatest areas of our Founding Documents are the Federalist Papers. Maybe even more important than the Constitution itself, the Federalist Papers were written to explain the thoughts of the Constitution's authors. The electoral college is explained well. It states that the electoral body ensures that the will of the States is abided, and that mob rule will not let some charismatic individual to take the highest of offices. And, the State is the key. We were created as a federated republic and not a democracy. We The People, not We The Government. The United STATES. We say it so much, it kinda loses meaning. We're a nation of states with a limited federal government. And, as said, the 10th amendment cements the core value that anything not specifically designated as a federal power belongs to the STATES and their People.
Federalist Papers... check them out. It's a good read.
>>712440706
>>712440828
Yes, and Yes. It ensured the election of the President would follow the will of each state and not some glittering cult of personality. 68 foresaw the need to protect each state's voice in elections. it also was a barrier to prevent foreign interference.
>>712420957
Go fuck your self with Lucille you treacherous pinko commie.
>>712440828
>And they have excluded from eligibility to this trust, all those who from situation might be suspected of too great devotion to the President in office. No senator, representative, or other person holding a place of trust or profit under the United States, can be of the numbers of the electors. Thus without corrupting the body of the people, the immediate agents in the election will at least enter upon the task free from any sinister bias. Their transient existence, and their detached situation, already taken notice of, afford a satisfactory prospect of their continuing so, to the conclusion of it. The business of corruption, when it is to embrace so considerable a number of men, requires time as well as means. Nor would it be found easy suddenly to embark them, dispersed as they would be over thirteen States, in any combinations founded upon motives, which though they could not properly be denominated corrupt, might yet be of a nature to mislead them from their duty.
The fact that they are beholden to a party, typically party higher ups and can actually be replaced in some States if they don't vote as they're supposed to.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faithless_elector
Under Supreme Court it's on kind of an edge case regarding the laws for faithless electors and the actual punishment of a faithless elector hasn't been brought to court, all that was deemed constitutional was the pledging of a vote, not the vote itself.
>>712440998
My nigga.
>>712441444
Hey... now he's not going to be on easy street if he does that.
>>712441560
Too Right.
>>712441466
I just wonder why schools stopped teaching all this. I remember spending at least a week or 2 on the Federalist Papers. Most 2016 fucktards have never even heard of them.
>>712437300
>That's not how democracy works
US isn't a democracy, its a Republic.
>>712441274
Like I said, I'm not for a straight popular vote determining the President because then we've got the cities being catered to and nobody else.
However right now all we really have are battleground states being catered to while the solid blue/red states are mostly ignored except in some cases where a candidate thinks they can flip them like Trump in Pennsylvania. Since those 55 votes in California are so blisteringly blue, why the fuck would a Democrat waste a lot of time in California or caring about specific California issues? They're gonna win all 55 anyways.
I'd much prefer a split of the EC votes based upon something, I think Maine does it by congressional districts but that can lead to gerrymandering. Not sure how a breakdown by % of popular vote per state would work out, really want to see how it would change the EC votes for this election. Because as it is, if a million people voted Trump in a state and a million and one voted for Hillary, those million Trump voters votes didn't matter at all.
>>712440296
Why would you want to get rid of it? Our founding fathers created it for a reason. You obviously don't understand how it works or why we have it. You're in luck though, they will (should) teach it to you in in High School.
>>712422215
Where in the Constitution does it say a bunch of butthurt faggots can change the results of an election by signing a petition?
>>712442945
They're petitioning the Electors to use their constitutionally granted rights to vote for whoever the hell they want to vote for, and they think Trump is unfit to be president so they're trying to convince the Electors of that.
>>712442751
I for one know a handful of people (including myself) who are registered voters in California but are Trump supporters. We didn't bother voting because we feel our votes wouldn't count. In this instance a popular vote only would motivate more people to vote, however rigging an election would infinitely easier. The EC makes it more difficult because you need to know which states and areas to make fake votes. For example, in CA illegal aliens voting doesn't really hurt the election as much because CA votes blue anyways. But in states like FL illegal aliens voting would be bad.
>>712420957
other countries can vote. It won't work.
