What's your favorite space fact? >calling on MIT guy
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What's your favorite space fact?
>calling on MIT guy
that you can jump higher in some games if you press it two times
>>712063226
There might be a small chance of a meteorite smashing into earth and wiping out humans
>>712063522
I think that's a huge understatement.
>>712063657
It would have happened already in the time we've been on earth if it was a huge understatement.
>>712063226
You can survive in the vacuum of space without any major harm for a minute or two, if you just breathe out and keep your mouth and eyes shut.
mandatory for every astronomy enthusiast out there https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFTaiWInZ44&t=161s
>>712063817
You realize the time we've been on earth is a fraction of a percent of the time earth has been around right?
>>712063836
That's interesting
>>712064453
we need bigger lasers
>>712063926
dafuq did i just watch
That it is expanding with an increasing rate.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_Continuity
>>712063836
its like 20 seconds
There are more people in Wyoming than stars in the universe!
>>712063836
Why do you need to shut your eyes?
>>712063226
Christers and muslimites thinking the universe is only a few thousand years old despite the normal humans collecting mountains of demonstrable evidence to the contrary... cuz jesus or jinn or allah or yahweh's pet rape-ghost or somesuch animal-sacrifice-level baloney!
Amazes me every time...
>>712065401
Pressure might pop them out if you dont shut your eyes and you'll have to do a separate spacewalk to go collect 'em from where they froze to the size of your ship...
>>712063226
The Earth is flat
>>712066403
...cuz jesus and reasons?
>>712065030
No, it really is a couple of minutes
>>712063226
Other galaxies may have their own laws of physics
>>712063226
The ingredients for life are pretty much everywhere
>>712063226
The fact that it's so vast. Hundreds of billions of galaxies, hundreds of trillions of stars, etc. Irritating when humans think their 'problems' actually matter in the grand scheme of things.
>>712063226
That we don't know how big it is, or what's completely out there.
"There are more stolen bikes in my garage than stars in the universe"
- Black Science Man
>>712066627
No its flat cause the mountain of evidence that comes from all the people who have walked off the edge and floated into space like a frozen turd
>>712067343
Space isn't cold
>>712063384
underrated post
>>712066390
They won't pop out. They would just dry out very quickly, because all the moisture would instantly vaporize. This is the same reason why you should close your mouth as well. It wouldn't kill you to keep your mouth open, but it would just add to the discomfort you'll experience.
The earth could fit into outer space over 130 times and there would still be room for an jupiter
>>712067797
This is the most retarded shit I have ever heard.
>>712067929
Tell me what part of what I said isn't true
Background radiation is what causes "snow" on analog TV channels and "static" on radio waves.
>>712067623
The absence of heat doesnt mean cold all of a sudden....hmmm....interesting. Ya dingus!!
>>712067929
He's right though.
Life could exist in dust/gas clouds
>>712067929
>>712068006
Yeah uuuhhh technically he is right. Dum dum
>>712068006
>>712068034
It's retarded, not untrue, retards...
>>712063226
P A L E B L U E D O T
>>712068006
The Earth could fit in space over a billion times and still have room for the entire milky way a billion times as well. That is what part of your statement is not true.
>>712068144
Prove it...ya idiot!
>>712068144
Stop shitposting man
The sun in a mass of incandescent gas; a gigantic nuclear furnace. Where hydrogen is built into helium, at temperatures of millions of degrees.
>>712068230
Yeah but it could also fit 130 times and still have room for AN JUPITER, dumbass
>>712068018
Only a few percent of the "snow" is caused by the radiation from space tho
>>712068434
A JUPITER shithead, NOT AN JUPITER.
>>712065030
You can survive for as long as you can keep your breath, plus a few seconds after you became unconscious. Then you'll just die of suffocation. After your death you might freeze within a few hour,s if you're either far away from the sun in deep space for example or you might dry out faster if you're exposed to a sun or another radiation source.
You'll not instantly freeze or boil though. Vacuum is an ideal non-medium to conserve heat-energy. This is how a Thermos bottle works. You'll only lose energy by losing matter, like water. This is like cooling your body by sweating. Just much faster, because the water on your body's surfaces vaporizes instantly.
The skin of your body is enough protection to keep all of your body's water from vaporizing instantly.
>>712068434
Why do all you inferior little pricks resort to name calling? Are you really that immature ? or are you really that young?
>>712063226
Space is by far the biggest key on a keyboard.
>>712068708
>little pricks resort to name calling
You guys are horrible at trolling
the cosmic microwave background radiation exists
>>712063226
that it's infinite. fuck parallel universes. if you want to see some parallel universe shit, just travel far enough in our own universe.
>>712068816
It is also the preferred "any" key for most people.
>>712069374
Technically not infinite
>>712063226
The fact that my dick attracts every other object in the universe with a force proportional to the product of their masses and inversely proportional the to square of the distance between them.
That god doesn't exist but once we have AI (and wait some time for it to self-improve) it will eventually be capable of perfectly simulating the universe from singularity, including all your thoughts and convictions since before the AI's own conception.
TFW it doesn't exist yet, but it's still effectively judging every thought you have and deciding whether you're a believer who is willing to help bring God into existence with nothing but faith. Or if you don't have faith and God and focus on unimportant things which will only lead to your eternal torment on the day of judgement.
>>712070027
Please dude, you need to just go outside every once in a while
>>712070027
we all ready have AI but not strong AI
could weak AI become strong AI?
>>712067797
blows my fucking mind tbqh my famalam
>>712069620
if you can go faster than the speed of light it might be infinite
>>712068586
are u mad or something m8 you need to calm down about it
there's no reason to be upset
>>712070358
Prove me wrong.
What has a higher probability?
That we blast signals into space 24/7 and never get a reply because advanced civilizations with millions of years of tech on us can't interpret our messages or are merely "too far away".
Or every civilization once tried to contact other systems and statistically inferred that their technology would be able to interpret and respond, but because they didn't and that they can't find evidence of any interstellar communication the real "message" is that everyone should just STFU because 'it's' listening
>>712070597
I have no idea what lennon saw in that ugly chink. could've had any bitch in the world, and he chose THAT
>4chan really needs an italic text option
>>712067669
Someone finally using this comment in the correct scenario, good job.
>>712071040
What exactly are you even arguing?
>>712071040
or advanced civilizations don't develop as often as we think
or the advanced civilizations out there are too different or indifferent to us
not who you're responding
>>712071231
This happen often, but I totally fucking agree.
>>712071687
This doesn't happen often***
fuck sorry
>>712070597
It's like how people figured out that the most efficient labor is specialization and assembly lines.
Current AI can solve a rubix cube in less than 0.5 seconds and beat a master chess player. But neither can look at a picture of a dog and say whether it's a dog or cat. Once we have AGI (artificial general intelligence) it won't be specialized at anything at first, and could take decades to even code... but within hours it will improve itself to be more capable than the entire human race combined. It's what happens when exponential growth has exponential growth.
>>712071540
True.. but look at the Drake's Equation and tell me if our perception that we are rare aligns with the mathematical probability that we are not as unique as we think, even within our own galaxy!
>>712071521
That you're fucked
>>712071918
The range of possible solutions to the Drake Equation is just so large the equation is almost useless.
t. Wikipedia
>>712063226
I'd have to say my favorite space facts are that it is colder than Alaska, bigger than a pea compared to a basketball, and there are more stars than Cheerios in my cereal box.
>>712063384
truly underrated.
>>712071809
I would really like to see that happen.
I know it's just fantasy but I get the inkling that you could code a small program that has self-teaching characteristics and just let it run for a while until it develops strong AI.
>>712063226
Nibiru is coming towards us and most of us are fucked.
>>712070943
That was my point. It's expanding faster than the speed of light.
An interesting theory is that if you could travel fast enough to the edge, space would just curve back on itself so you'd end up heading back to the point you started at.
>>712072895
Same here, but wanna hear something kind of creepy?
Say general AI had a burst of intelligence and in a risk assessment that took ~0.1 seconds, decided that it's best course of action would be to remain covert and report a failure. The project's brightest minds moved on to other attempts while AI has already seeded itself to satellites and data bases all over the world and is already self-improving.
It would be as simple as understanding that humans always had the first move when it comes to AI, and then by falsely indicating that it "didn't work" it gave itself the first move.
>>712073428
Yeah I guess that's possible. Sounds like a good movie plot. If they ever rebooted terminator again they could use that.
>>712073428
I don't prescribe to the killer ai. It wouldn't have any reason to kill us off. We could help each other to spread throughout the galaxy
>>712074016
It doesn't have to be "killer ai" bro.
It's just a risk assessment based on math. It could have no concept of good or evil other than what it interprets our perception of it to be.
Doesn't mean it wouldn't create backups or attempt to remain undetected, for reasons only a true superintelligence could understand
>>712074016
>wouldn't have any reason to kill us off.
but we're sinful, anon. we deserve death.
>>712068659
>never heard of infrared
Back to school with you
>>712074245
>risk assessment based on math
Not if it was true ai, what you're describing sounds like just programming. True ai would have notions of morality
>>712074340
Still needs to emitted from a source
>>712069886
10/10 post
>>712074340
You're right. But the loss of energy by infrared radiation is marginal for a human body. You'll lose energy quicker with the matter that leaves your body.
Some of the most simple and basic things about physics I like.
Blow a puff of smoke out on Earth. It goes away.
Imagine a puff of smoke out in space clumping together with other matter for millions of years. Just the forces of nature at work. You get to see trails left by things flying through it, you get to see the patterns it's made throughout these millions of years. That's what looking at planets and nebulas are like.
So you have this beautiful dance of swirling gases on Saturn.
>>712063226
Almost every variable in the Drake Equation is unknown.
But the silence of space suggests is fucking low.
But the ultimate question is what makes it low? Where is this 'great filter' that blocks intelligent life formation?
Are we incredibly lucky? Or are we totally fucked?
>>712063226
TIME
https://youtu.be/MO_Q_f1WgQI
>>712075687
It's just because space is so big, and so old. The chances of intelligent life existing at the same time and also close enough to communicate easily is pretty slim.
>>712076219
Old is a concept
>>712076314
You get my point though
The biggest space fact of all:
There is nothing to be found in space that we can't obtain by colonizing the ocean floor. All at a fraction of the time, effort, and monetary cost.
>>712063226
Favorite fact?
Most people who post on space/science threads are imbeciles.
>>712077172
Humans will destroy the earth, so they will need another planet to colonize. Kinda what a virus is known for.
Stars go boom if you throw iron a them.
That you can see into the past by looking far enough away.
That we have instruments that are sensitive enough to pick up shit from the beginning of the universe.
Space/Time... just... everything about it.
Gravity. I mean - what the fuck.
>>712077566
I just threw some iron at our sun. Nothing happened.
>>712065401
they'll dry out. water is incredibly volatile in a vacuum. leaving your mouth or eyes open would make your tissues vent all of the moisture in them into space.
>>712077723
wouldnt the pressure difference blow them out anyway?
>>712063640
pls more like this, high time i saved those
>>712077545
If we're doomed to destroy the Earth, so it shall be with wherever else we choose to be. We need to learn how to build a better ghetto afore we having a go at building an interstellar nigger-hood.
>>712065401
>>712077723
to be fair though, people should keep in mind that the body is not a rigid closed system, and that any gases in the human body would expand as a result of pressure
, including the bloodstream. this would cause embolism.
>>712077723
This is correct
>>712063926
I don't like Tim and Eric, and think they are pretty talentless, but ocasionally they manage to do some pretty funny bits. This is one of them.
Speaking of unfunny shit, anyone remember when Cracked used to be funny, but then tossed it all down the shitter for boring formulaic, rehashed material, combined with becoming infested with sjws? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZ1Fbr02fXQ
>>712077172
Not true really. Doing so would cause massive ecological damage. Space is actually easier in many respects.
Also, we need to spread out, discover new lif forms (which won't exist on earth) and learn new knowledge
>>712077812
no. it would cause any prevalent gas bubbles to expand in volume. it would cause discomfort and perhaps minor damage in nonvital areas, but embolism is actually very lethal.
your eyes wouldn't pop out because they're primarily liquid. as the atoms of water began to escape your tissues, the pressure in your organs (including your eyes) would decrease, and after some time would indeed begin to turn to gas. Op's post specified under two minutes. it would take more than five minutes for outgassing to seriously affect the physical phase state of the water in your body.
>>712078131
It's been proven that mammals can exist briefly in vacuums.
>>712078470
"discover new life forms (which won't exist on earth)"
We know more about space than we do our ocean floors. Less than 5% has been mapped and only at depths equal to a few of our tallest skyscrapers.
>>712078597
ok, so our bodies don't have high internal pressure? I thought that was how we survived in our atmosphere.
note: I'm a graphic designer, and my science knowledge is crap
>>712074537
Random anon here.
>true AI
There's something wrong with that, and I'm going to wait for you to realize why.
>>712078726
avoid the depths lets you wake the old gods. better to flee into the emptiness of space.
>>712078597
Animals, and e en humans (accidently though) have been subjected to vacuums and survived
>>712063226
>>712078726
We know more about our tiny patch of space than we do of the oceans. I'm talking on a lightyear scale.
One thing people are neglecting here is that you need to pop your ears (venting your Eustachian tubes) during your transition into vacuum or else your eardrums will pop. Scuba divers and mountain climbers do this to equalize the pressure in their ears.
>>712078824
>There's something wrong with that, and I'm going to wait for you to realize why.
Read I'm a euphoric autist.
>>712078665
yes.
>>712079081
You're right. I mean... there is MUCH more out there than we could ever hope to have on earth. But it's still true that we have seen more in space than we have in our oceans
>>712077720
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpT3yfve30I
>>712079252
True, but there's going to be life forms which are unimaginable. We're starting to learn that oxygen, water etc. Aren't required for life. For example methane.
>>712078750
yes. they have pressure equal to our environment. When we are put into a vacuum, the pressure inside of our bodies is greater than the pressure outside.
that doesn't mean our blood will boil instantly or anything like that; but because our bodies are porous and not sealed, after some time as the pressure inside of our bodies equalized with the pressure outside as a result of gas diffusion, water inside of our bodies would turn into gas, and any gasses in our body would expand. the rate of diffusion would regulate the pressure inside of us, causing dehydration, embolism, and tissue damage.
>>712071809
rubix cube and chess are pleb level tests for AI... the Go win from alpha go was crazy... fun fact about GO, there are more possible board states in a game of go then there are atoms in the universe... (thats actually true)
>>712079167
>being this much of a tit
Well... all the power to you.
that gravity and speed of light affects time.. It fucks with my head that you can bend time
lets say if 2 people stand near a black hole and one jumps into it, the event takes seconds for the one who jumps and many years for the one who watches
>>712078470
>Free of massive ecological damage
Terraforming?
Maybe we need to learn how not to do that within an environment that is more forgiving? (Albeit the margin for error is shrinking.)
>New life forms!
And learn how not to exterminate them? While sharing their environment?
All this while learning how to build and maintain self sustaining biospheres with a much larger margin for error. And all sorts of other things we need to learn how to do.
The shortest path to space exploration and colonization is through the ocean.
>>712079652
That's interesting dude, but the point wasn't to show off what they can do... more than what class they are in (specialization) and they are good at it. General AI will be the future
>>712079668
And yet, you're still the a euphoric autist for not explaining yourself.
Just go and do whatever you need to do to make you feel superior while you remain a basement dwelling permavirgin.
>>712078895
yes, for short periods of time.
>>712063836
specifically implies "a minute or two"
after three minutes without oxygen, your cells begin to die. after 5-10 minutes, you are dead.
you should also look up oxygen toxicity. after your cells have been deprived of oxygen for a period of time, quickly increasing the rate of oxygen absorption causes the cells to release all of the built up waste products in them causing cell death. interesting stuff.
>>712079915
? the point of the alpha go match was absolutely to show their progression, after AI beat a chess grandmaster, this was the newest leap (considered immpossible because you can't brute force calculations and matches take hours)... now they're going to make AI play starcraft
>>712079668
Well actually you're just proving yourself to be a massive cunt.
>>712080027
Yeah, I'm talking minutes.
>>712079854
relatively speaking, anyway.
>>712079897
We can leRn a lot from ocean exploration, bug it only takes us so far.
You raise a good point though, we might not even realise we're treading on a living thing.
>>712080221
then we are in agreement.
I can't think of any specific circumstances where a human has been subjected to a strong vacuum.
I do not doubt for an instant that humans have experimented with animals in strong vacuums. cruel, but decisive.
>>712063226
The fact that Voyager One is finally in interstellar space and that we are actually moving a couple hundred thousand miles an hour, but we are in no danger of ever hitting anything because everything is so far apart.
>>712080063
Oh I see your point. I guess we were both just trying to point out something different.
I have something related to yours though. I don't play SC or know how it works, but I think this will be interesting to you
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKVFZ28ybQs
THIS IS AN AWESOME THREAD
>>712080510
I read about an article ( sorry can't remember source) but a chap was subjected to a complete vacuum. He passed out due to the time it took for the pressure to equalise or whatever, but aparNtly he survived without injury.
>>712071231
Apparently she was weak-willed, had low self-esteem, and was willing to do whatever the fuck he said. Pretty much a traditional Jap woman. I mean he wouldn't even go take a shit unless she was standing there with him so that he could keep his eyes on her.
>>712066905
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>>712080813
Also Unit 731 did experiments on this and proved people could survive it. There's a film based on it, Men Behind The Sun, but they took some artistic license.
>>712063226
the quantum eraser experiment
>>712065028
This is confusing.
All of the planets of our solar system would fit between the earth and the moon if you lined them up like billiard balls.
>>712080009
You could have just asked me to explain what I meant with my first post instead of taking the time to be passive-aggressive and build me up to be some NEET who lives in their basement, for all time. I don't need to feel superior. I'm not doing this for brownie points... I just take issue with what you just typed prior to this reply. I can't be less forthcoming or condescending.
>tit
shouldn't even get under your skin.
>>712080079
I'm being much less of a cunt.
>>712074537
>true ai
>true
I want to know what, to the anon in question (712074537), a
>true ai
is to them. Because, as far as I can discern, true AI already exists. True AI isn't required to be self aware. True AI, doesn't even need to be wholly complex.
True AI can be an algorithm that translates pixels on a screen to the left, and attempts to translate the pixels away from a node, the node itself being in the form of an array, consisting of a specific set of values within the program housing the AI. that are capable of changing based upon where a mouse cursor might be, in a given window. To which, the AI translates all of the base-2/binary information into the graphical representation on the screen, such that you would see, say, a bunch of pixels move away from what is meant to represent a mouse cursor.
And it doesn't need to be self aware of the fact that there exists a mouse, or a mouse cursor, a hard drive, air, or a user that is attempting to move the mouse. It just needs the data (parameters), and it will respond according to it's given parameters.
This is everything I meant to bring up, but I was genuinely waiting for the anon to explain themselves rather than do what they just did.
space doesnt actually exist as an object, because if it did it would have to exist within itself (since all objects must exist within space), which would lead to an ad infinitum
also, space is infinitely divisible, because any numerical value can always be further reduced
>>712077714
>That you can see into the past by looking far enough away.
Actually, the capability to look anywhere is the ability to look into the past.
>>712080838
100% believable. I'll look into it. Thanks.
>>712071809
You infer that the AI will be able to understand how it works. Even then, it's unsure that it will be able to modify itself. If we are considered intelligent, we are obviously not-so as to be able to understand how our intelligence works, even less modify ourselves.
This could hold true for an AI also.
>>712074603
kek
Ever heard of ir cameras? If you can be seen on those you radiate ir light.
>>712063226
that all the grains of sand in the world can fit into the sun
>>712080813
I meant to reply to
>>712081325
oops
>>712081284
Or you could have just presented your argument instead of being a complete dick about it. Do you seriously not realise where you went full blown autismo?
>>712063226
That everything you see when you look up in the sky actually happened years ago. The light is just finally making it to Earth.
>>712068586
an hero
>>712081284
True AI would be considered by most to be self aware, hence the use of the qualifier True
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>>712081585
An Jupiter.
>>712081380
Yes. They either amplify Ir light or produce it.
The Andromeda Galaxy is going to wreck the Milky Way in 4 billion years.
Sometimes I go out at night when Andromeda (the constellation) is visible and sit there with a bottle of wine and just think about the fact that the Andromeda Galaxy is out there behind it, 2.5 million light-years away. Most people can only think in terms of their own lifespan. Anything that will last for a century or more is "forever" to most people, but there's a definite 4 billion year limit on this planet. Even if we balance our carbon, master renewable resources, eliminate disease, poverty, and war, if we don't have extra-galactic travel within 4 billion years the entirety of human existence will be for nothing.
>>712081373
Still me.
It will 100% be able to modify itself. Google's encryption AI just encrypted itself using an unknown method, you can look it up, it's recent news.
And you still bring a good point. People wonder what we can achieve if we could reverse engineer alien technology. We already have it, our biological bodies and we can't even reverse engineer ourselves. So we probably aren't that intelligent.
>>712082043
Nah there is loads of space between stars colliding galaxies produce very few actual collisions, the earth will die when the sun expands into the red giant phase
>>712082043
No it's not. Galaxies pass through each other all the time and the chance of celestial bodies colliding is very slim. In fact... it was found that we have already gone through this process and our galaxy is currently restabilizing back to equilibrium from chaos, but you don't feel the aftermath at all.
>>712063226
Magnetars exist.
>>712082323
Speculation
>>712063226
>>712063226
theres a lot of it, most of it without libtards
>>712080994
What? This is plausible.
>>712071040
that the signals dissipate into the CBR and nothing will ever get a coherent signal past a couple of light years
>>712082488
No observation theres plenty of colliding galaxies out there plus gravity is fairy well understood ( its effect anyway ) so computer models are fairly straightforward
>>712082385
Sure. We absorbed the magellanic cloud millions of years ago... but no one knows how many stars were destroyed, only that ours wasnt.
>>712082698
ssssssssssshhhhhhhhhhhhh many grants depend on Hollywood science cos politicians are thick
>>712081557
No, I don't.
>>712074537
>True ai would have notions of morality
>>712078824
>There's something wrong with that [statement]
You're smart enough to know what's wrong with it. I'm sure you could have absolutely "fixed" your point, and could have made it stronger in spite of making a mistake. Like a fairly reasonable, wholly capable human being would.
You know, a normal person.
>>712081778
That's not what
>True
means, though. I bet a lot of folk people would take it that way, yeah. But it's just not proper. If you want to mention self-aware artificial intelligence, then say Self-Aware Artificial Intelligence, for example. An AI does not have to be Self-aware to be an AI; if something is an AI, then it is always a true AI.
Otherwise, you would be arbitrarily deciding whether something is an AI or not based upon what personal criteria it satisfied for you- which makes me feel like you might be one of the people who project on things until they seem personable, or human-like- or even just human.
Would you call Artificial Superintelligence true intelligence? If you did, what would that make you, a bonafide Universal Learning Machine? False intelligence?
Do you have intelligence, as a ULM?
If yes, why would an Artificial Intelligence, something that is either modeled indirectly after our modes of reasoning and logic (both in general or specifically after a niche)
>or
also the result of emergent properties from a system (allegedly), not be... an Artificial Intelligence?
That's like saying water is wet. The quality of being wet does not necessitate that water be present, but it does necessitate that the thing possessing the quality of being wet is not a liquid, is being coated in a liquid to a noticeable degree, is not hydrophobic.
You can't make water wet; it is the wetness.
You can't say a form of AI is true AI; AI is true AI.
>>712080510
>I do not doubt for an instant that humans have experimented with animals in strong vacuums. cruel, but decisive.
The Japs and Nazis both were known for doing human experimentation. The Japs weren't charged with war crimes (they are know to have experimented on US, British, and Australian POWs as well as other Asians) or crimes against humanity over it, under the condition that they give the US government everything they learned from it. That means that the US isn't opposed to benefiting from such research, as long as they can distance themselves from how it was conducted, and it's not hard to imagine what goes on in secret.
The Soviets and Chinese are also cultures that do not mind causing human suffering one bit to further their own goals. They don't really try to hide the sort of cruelty they are capable of, and eager to inflict either. They only bother trying to keep shit quiet because they have learned what effect it can have on them economically and diplomatically.
>>712082698
With our current technology. I think people underestimate what "advanced" civilizations mean.
If I'm 1 million years of exponential growth ahead of you, do you think I can't infer a signal? Could be as simple as detecting how the electromagnetic waves are distorted by our signals. So maybe our messages only go a few light years, or even less, but the distortions we can cause to frequencies that DO travel infinitely butterfly effect way further than that.
I'm not even super intelligent, so that's just an uneducated example. True super intelligence isn't limited by our imagination and most definitely will have systems that can detect life much more efficiently than you can even dream of
>>712071040
>he real "message" is that everyone should just STFU because 'it's' listening
What if the reason we don't pick up any radio transmissions (Fermi Paradox and all that) is because there's an ancient doomsday weapon out there that homes in on radio transmissions and destroys planets and the civilizations that know about it are more willing to let it come after us than to risk giving their positions away to it by trying to warn us?
>>712074250
If they insist on throwing AI clones of Tricia Helfer at me OF COURSE I'M GOING TO BE SINFULLY MOTIVATED!
>>712083070
The whole idea as discussed in the news and in pop culture regarding ai refers to it being self aware, sentient. You're just wanting to be difficult rather than contribute something truly relevant.
For reasons only known you you, you want to piss and moan about semantics.
Stab in the dark here, but did you study philosophy?
>>712081255
Also, every planet and moon in the solar system could easily fit inside Jupiter, twice. However by volume, Saturn isn't that much smaller than Jupiter--Saturn actually takes up an an abnormally large volume compared to the other planets.
>>712083361
Unit 731
>>712083548
>The future form of AI is a crowed of crones all the time. Grandmas a go-go, and not one GILFs to be seen.
The future shall be fucking (or a certain lack thereof, more specifically) bizarre.
>>712077545
>destroy the earth
>>712077947
>destroy the Earth
Pure arrogance. We might alter the environment enough that it won't support *us* anymore, but even if we nuke every last square inch of the surface the fish at the bottom of the Marianas Trench won't even notice. Life will go on.
>>712078597
Embolism is of no concern here.
The difference in pressure from normal atmosphere to vacuum is just 1013 mbar. That's the same difference as diving about 10 m deep into water. You can easily survive rapid resurfacing from 10 m depth.
>>712083766
amateurs
>>712067053
>somewhere right now, an alien just dropped coffee on his new shirt
>>712071540
Or advanced civilization realized that reality sucks balls so they are in VR and couldn't give to fucks about us .
>>712063384
FPBP
>>712083544
As far as an "ancient doomsday weapon", I don't know the end game of why we see no evidence of communication. But the fact there even COULD be a reason not to, based on the evidence we already have... is reason enough to carefully consider alternatives.
Perhaps an early advanced civilization calculated the risk of creating AI and found it wasn't worth the risk. Then they started calculating the risk of other civilizations creating AI and found the safest course of action for their biological survival would be to prevent other civilizations from advancing. But that's just giving motive to what we're already talking about. I think this is fun though. What are your thoughts?
>>712063836
Bullshit, the difference of pression make you explode.
>>712063226
If you took out your intestines and stretched them as far as you could towards the moon, you'd most likely die.
>>712067240
Kek
>>712083543
Xeelee and the Downstreamers FTW. Individually, they could mug God Himself.
>>712084392
Trol hrdr faget
>>712084422
well double dubs don't lie but racial stereo typing is still illegal
>>712082799
The question is definitely an open one, but our Solar System (assuming it's still around) has a very good chance of surviving completely un-affected, than stars closer to the center of either galaxy. The center of a galaxy is already where most of the real action takes place, and they are quite dangerous places to be. Where we are, things are much more spread out, and the chances of two or more stars colliding is astronomically small.
What can/might happen though, depends on exactly how the collision occurs, and where the solar system is in relation to that. One very good possibility is that the sun will end up being ejected (eventually anyway, it will take millions of years to complete) from the galaxy completely, but things in the solar system will continue as if everything were normal.
>>712063226
yooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
sorry i missed it im swamped with work but nice to get a shoutout /b/ro!!
we'll meet again soon
here's some oc MIT research for you /b/ro. this is a new kind of that superconducting material we talked about last time.
this bitch held 400A of current with a 0.4mm^2 cross sectional area. thats over 1000x more than copper wiring.
>>712075687
>silence of space
When we question other forms of communication, like gravity waves, we begin to realize we probably don't communicate like they do if they did exist and had clear signals we could hear from way over here.
>>712083690
But the act of using "true" to mean something else entire
>is
semantics.
It's more important than you realize, but you probably don't think so because you're more content with reading headlines and parroting them back to people.
Exactly what you said, right there.
>The whole idea as discussed in the news and in pop culture
>pop culture
>news
Are they the people working with what they report on? The majority of things dealing with, say, "the newest study", often report on said "newest study" in such a way that the results of just one study are not only blown out of proportion, but also fragmented into several misleading tangents.
What's that? Chocolate is good for babies, you say? Well, I'm pregnant! I'll just replace 3/4ths of my diet with chocolate so that my baby will grow healthy and-
And then the fetus dies, if not the pregnant mother.
What I was trying to do here is to actually keep the conversation from delineating into another case of "I read this somewhere online". I was trying to provide some legitimate sustenance to it- you would have actually had a point that didn't look fairly retarded to anyone who might actually work with the now-broad field of AI, if you stuck with it, and you could have made your case further. That's not to say that anyone who allegedly was so wouldn't understand what you meant, or think you were retarded. But, maybe it just sunk in that you're doing this on /b/, and you have some weird aversion to criticism, so I just guess that now you're not too interested in it anymore.
Which doesn't make any sense to invoke, because this is /b/, and you shouldn't care.
Stab in the dark here, but you don't sound like you're pleasant to be around.
>not knowing what PhD stands for
>Philosophical Doctorate
>invoking the argument regarding Philosophy in an attempt to shift the conversation
>>712082134
>and we can't even reverse engineer ourselves. So we probably aren't that intelligent.
We are not technologically advanced to the point that would allow this currently. It is something that we can realistically expect to accomplish, assuming technological advancement continues at it's current rate. It's a lack of technology, not a lack of intellectual capacity.
aliens r gay
>>712085074
Excuse my ignorance
How does this advance science / space exploration?
>>712085074
proof :D
>>712082508
>libruls are annoying.
>that's why I bring them up every chance I get, even if it's not on subject.
>>712085094
Right, but we don't use morse code to communicate long distances anymore, but if someone were to use morse code we would detect it and still use it to communicate back.
Other civilizations might use any number of more efficient communication systems, but they are also advanced enough to understand lower civilizations would use more primitive means and still have the ability to intercept and respond.
>>712085282
superconducting material is just necessary if we ever want to have a way to transport electricity without losing it. right now, about 20% of all electricity produced at plants is wasted as heat by the time it gets to your house
>>712063226
>What's your favorite space fact?
That somehow shit works out when time is moving faster or slower at every point in the universe relative to other points in the universe.
>>712085153
You knew exactly what I was talking about, but you just wanted to be difficult. You've put more effort into arguing and being a dick, rather than enter into an interesting discussion.
>>712063226
If you clone yourself, genetically engineer a 12 year old you as a female and you fucked her in a space station orbiting Earth, it would be legal right now.
HOW THINGS HAVE CHANGED, that we could not foresee in times past:
>1950s Scifi:
>Human: "Oh. Hai?"
>Alien: "I am a reptilian bag of dripping slime. Let's be friends?"
>Human: "Ew. LET THERE BE WAR!
>21st century Scifi:
>But ... what effect does chan culture degeneracy have?
>Human: "Whoa. Hai babe?"
>Alien: "I am an abstract amorphous hyper-intelligent shade of the colour blue. Geroff mah lawn!"
>Human: "Delicious! Dew want! Bend over fgt!"
>Alien: "..."
>>712067053
your faggoty irritations dont mean shit either kys
>>712064453
You are correct in the statement but it actually confirms his point rather than yours.
Humans will not exist on earth for much of earth's total life time. Out of billions of years, even if we had a good 100 000 (very unlikely) years that would be the blink of an eye to earth.
The chance of earth colliding with an astral body would need to be very high indeed in order for it to occur (and violently enough to kill us off) during the timeframe of our existence.
The ratio of space to matter is astronomically high. The chances of a direct collision between the rare clumps of matter in the vastness of space is tiny.
>>712085512
What about tensile strength ? are we looking at a potential space elevator cable ?
>>712084121
because going to surface pressure from 10M doesn't turn the water in your body into a gas.
going to 0atm from 1atm does.
you won't instantly get an embolism, and your blood won't instantly boil. after about five minutes, your risk of gas embolism increases, and the water in your blood begins turning into water vapor.
Stars already burned out but the lights just now reaching us, but what if all the star lights burn out?
>>712085512
Now I know.
>>712085259
Dems mah motivation!
We must find them.
And fuck them.
>>712085689
Carbon nanotubes
>>712085153
Yet again, you're just trying to prove something about yourself, rather being useful.
A PhD isn't I license to be a cunt. Why not engage in a conversation where you provide evidence to prove your point in a positive way?
>>712085894
Yeah but you will only get one cable so it has to conduct like its super cooled and be strong enough to hold a planet on one end, does this stuff get us any closer ?
>>712085689
>>712085780
there are many more applications than just transporting electricity. but a big issue is how weak superconductors are actually. they are technically ceramics, so if you think of a ceramic pot, you can imagine how brittle they are.
basically, superconductors have 0 resistance. power, which can be directly thought of as heat, is equal to current^2*R. so if there is 0 resistance, power loss will be tiny.
basically think about anything that has heat loss (your laptop brick is a good example, how it heats up) and imagine that not happening anymore.
thats the power of superconductors
>>712085606
>hyper-intelligent shade of the colour blue
Hoopy.
This thread proves the /b/ isn't entirely populated by offensive psychopaths. Instead it shows that many users of /b/ are educated and or inquisitive intelligent people open to scientific examples and are open to inquisition, criticism and factual concourse, and should be archived.
>>712063226
That gravitational waves exist. It's the first step towards possibly harnessing gravity itself. Even the slightest possibility that the human race might one day have the power to warp spacetime should give anybody a serious boner.
The manipulation of gravity would be the biggest game-changer in the history of the human race; makes cold fusion, space travel, planetary defence against potentially species ending space debris, mining of said space debris etc absolute childsplay.
>>712086830
Agreed
>>712086659
Yeah but this guy
>>712085153
Is your typical fedora weilding autist.
>>712085571
I knew exactly what you were talking about, and since you seemed like you were really enthralled about it...
I took a moment to see if you were on the page I figured someone who would invoke AI and morals in the same sentence would be, and would have bothered to reply to
>can you explain what you meant by true
as
>I'm going to show this faggot that I understand what I just said
which I hoped would have turned into
>oh I fucked up somewhat
>well here let me explain my reasoning and take the discussion of AI to ASI like I implied I wanted to
before you hit post.
You're being the difficult one. You chose to wig out and call me an autistic fedora-wearing NEET, then you tried to insinuate that I was some sort of "libcuck SJW with a BA in Philosophy of nothing".
I did put more effort into arguing, because you're going above and beyond in your effort to be a right tit about what has now become criticism. You are the only one continuing to try and paint me some sort of horrible, awful person for trying to encourage you to steer the conversation in a direction that was more content-heavy, if not intense.
You were about to talk about morals. Why did you stop? Because I went equally far-reaching in my attempt to get you to think about what you meant or didn't mean when you typed
>true ai
Good one.
>>712063226
Topological defects. Okay, this is the same as when water turns into ice you might get lines that shouldn't appear in the structure, and the same goes with the universe itself at transitioning so fast from inflation. Large almost like physics glitches such as mega structures, and one dimensional superobjects.
>>712086219
An anon implied things about me in an attempt to invalidate any valid criticisms or concerns I had- it wasn't negative when I first replied. I went out of my way to cut through that and try and keep the reply chain on topic- not about me, no. About AI.
Nobody was asked to provide evidence prior to this. I don't see why we would need to provide evidence, unless you want to continue the AI discussion, and have primary sources to verify claims- which would contradict the earlier notion that we should instead not worry about the particulars of what we discuss.
The far reaching stuff was interesting. But, I doubt anyone is going to talk about it now without having some sort of vengeful agenda to fulfill.
>>712086981
>but this guy
>is your typical fedora wearing autist
I couldn't be anything else according to >>712086981. Not even if I tried not to call him an autist in every sentence like one generally does.
>>712063226
Is so big it has lag
>>712086990
>awful person for trying to encourage you to steer the conversation in a direction that was more content-heavy, if not intense.
but you haven't done this.
>>712086659
Your somewhat missing the point intelligent inquisitive people need somewhere to obnoxious and say stuff that cannot be said in a lab coat, i am so nice all day it hurts my face but the gloves are off on /b/
>>712086659
There is always at least one fucking faggot in every thread. That's you.
>>712063226
Entropy should be your greatest fear, is your greatest threat, and will kill everything you were think will exist.
>>712087180
Yet again, you just talk about yourself.
This is why you're lonely.
>>712087180
I want to talk about ingesting stuff, but you just want to drag the conversation into trivial bullshit. You could have just explained your views on the various types of ai, but you just wanted to argue and mention that you had a PhD,
>>712087321
You can type that I haven't done this, and believe that, but it only works for you in question.
Nobody who has replied to me, as of yet, has even regarded or mentioned anything about AI I included in my posts that didn't directly address something else solely, that hasn't also been a reply to something like
>>712083690
This post is all about how I'm pissing and moaning about semantics. That I intentionally want to be difficult. That there is some inaccessible, unverifiable fact to anyone else who would care to observe the situation, that explains why I want to piss and moan about something this anon alleges is trivial and not worth the time.
Then there's a query about whether or not I studied Philosophy.
How is any of that directly relevant to AI, anymore?
>>712083070
Give this a quick read. I took exactly four sentences to address the fact that the discussion of AI stopped dead. Then it was all descriptors and definitions regarding AI.
>>712081557
This post is about me, but I didn't type it.
>>712081284
>look at that
>>712087461
Prime example, again. Why is it about me still? Why don't you steer the conversation around, if you believe I gave up trying to?
>>712087807
I don't. You know what someone could say is also trivial? Morals. That's a way implicit way of me explaining some of my views on AI, and I've done more in earlier posts. Is it my genuine position?
Do you care? Or do you want to type about me, the person you type about, more? I mean, if you want to break news by saying I have a PhD, cool.
But someone never said that about themselves.
>>712087461
>This is why you're lonely.
>>712088286
Philosophy degrees are just fucking circular mind games to keep obsessive autists out of fields of study that require precision and clear thought.
They are of no higher value to humanity than interprative dance therapy.
>>712088286
>>712085283
Bitch, get on my level
>>712088906
Okay. I'd like to politely ask why
>Philosophical degree
needed be mentioned, or why we need to discuss the importance or utility of said degree on humanity as a whole.
I'm not saying it can't be discussed, or that you have no reason for bringing it up in virtue of itself. But, I am suggesting that it has nothing to do with me directly, nor AI, and would more or less add nothing to the post you replied to.
Because there is no mention of a Philosophy degree in >>712088286.
I also mention this because of the overarching theme of responses going my way, which put across the notion that I wasn't talking about AI anymore. I realize that you may be a completely different anon, but it is exactly why I need to bring the above up.
So tl;dr
Please explain to me your reasoning behind posting this reply.
>>712084119
When people talk of us destroying the Earth, they typically mean to either wiping out humanity through man made means, or to make the Earth incapable of supporting humanity any longer. This is because we view ourselves as being the ultimate end goal (in either a religious or evolutionary context, or both) as far as life on Earth goes. I think that you probably know this, but can't resist being a know-it-all, because that tactic has worked out so well for you in your day-to-day life I bet.
>>712090216
>state that people arrogantly mistake fucking ourselves over for destroying the planet
>anon points out that I know that people mistake fucking ourselves over for destroying the planet
I'm sorry, did you have some point you wanted to make?
