how was it possible for ancient man to make these inside box cuts thousands of years ago in a stone that would require a diamond cutter when its nearly impossible for modern man to do it?
Aliens
Ayy Lmao
magic, naive fool
>>711976295
no seriously
>>711976370
Aliens, thats the answer people want.
>>711975994
No idea but I've always found this very interesting.
>>711975994
It was the ayy lmaos
But that's a picture of behind my house, My wife and I made that piece and we used regular rock cutters not diamonds...whats wrong with this?
a square drill bit
We're shit.
The ancient Greeks knew the size of the world, and Columbus thought he'd landed in India.
We're shit.
hammer. chisel. probably copper chisels, at that.
not hard. just slow. very, very slow.
Water and patience
People always compare the effforts of previous eras to how we'd do it today and conclude it's impossible if it'd invovle the possibility of getting a blister.
>>711976588
>>711976616
>>711976703
Hivemind, but the good kind, for once
>>711975994
Fuck dude, just watch this video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9w-i5oZqaQ
They could probably do it by grinding two pieces of the same material together.
>>711976799
i don't think you know what that means
>>711976616
This.
Determination is how they did it. It's rock not adamantium, sheesh.
No shit op aliens
>>711976616
SOmething to sand it too.
>>711976588
Too fucking right!
>>Checked.
>>711975994
things took way longer, things like this could take generations. stonehedge took ~500 years.
This silly little guy from 17k BC is said to have taken a skilled worker 400 hours of scraping ivory with rocks and shit.
Part of the building process could be part of their religion, work is worship, small contribution to a greater thing, full peoples attention to single thing that will not be finished in your lifetime. that kinda stuff.
>>711975994
it is amazing what a group of humans can do when they have a lot time
It's quite easy!
https://secretsofthesunsects.wordpress.com/2011/11/03/ancient-solar-stonecutting-techniques/
Not impossible, it would just take incredibly longer to do so. There is no mystery beyond lack of creative and critical thinking.
>>711977029
good practice, you dont even need any abrasives.
though interestingly, a copper tube, water and sand can be used to make a rock drill that will cut perfectly round holes through egyptian granite (stuff that modern saws struggle with). its not hard to do, just takes time.
and they had a lot of time.
>>711976295
\thread
Or they had tools and techniques that we are unaware of
>>711975994
uhm... with lot's of harder stones? I mean, they'd wear off from use fast, so you need lot's of them. But with enough patience and slaves it's easily done, you just need to punish them hard enough if they fuck up
>>711976370
People with free time. You could manage it if you have enough time.
>>711976926
So does that explain the precision in which the pyramids were made with and the fact that it couldn't be done without at least some rudimentary electrical equipment.
>>711977545
I've heard this theory before that we actually had a better understanding of physics before, and we actually left this planet, but greed and war ruined us and we bombed each other into the singer age again. It's possible.
>>711978813
>singer age = stone age
>>711978520
>So does that explain the precision in which the pyramids were made with and the fact that it couldn't be done without at least some rudimentary electrical equipment.
there are no parts of the pyramids that would require electrical equipment.
precision of measurement is not particularly difficult. an exact right angle for the base, for instance, can be made using simple trigonometry.
>>711978520
it doesn't REQUIRE electrical equipment
we have just become so dependent on electronics and mechanics that it is hard for most people to imagine how to do anything without them
a plumb line, rudimentary surveyor's sights, and star reference can get very precise lines
>>711978813
Can't rule it out, and it wouldn't surprise me. It could very well happen again very soon. Kind of sad.
>>711975994
This and other handiwork was done by professionals.
Nibiru, home of the Anunnaki, builders of the Pyramids.
>>711975994
Actually, a potential answer lies in our own hubris. Just because we do things a certain way, we assume it's the only way. Look at the Romans. We still can't recreate their concrete. Same with Giza. Point being, disregard preconceived notions and think about how you would do it. Myself, I think the method was similar to how the pyramid builders formed blocks: a pick and some slurry to dig out the perimeter and then chisels to clear the interior. I also wouldn't rule out pouring lava into sand molds.
>>711975994
Magic.
>wind and weather have worn away at the edges of the rock
>b-but only a diamond can cut it!
you're retarded
>>711976879
In the context of /b, it means several people posting the same idea at once. Unless it's traps, we're always thinkinh of traps.
>>711975994
http://ancientaliensdebunked.com/
now kys
>>711975994
1) It would only require "a diamond cutter" to do it quickly. That sort of carving does not happen quickly.
2) The stone had to be cut and queried to be used in the first place.
3) You're an idiot.
>>711975994
Who the hell said you need a diamond cutter? That georgio shit head? WHAT the fuck does he know? Michaelangelo carved David with hand tools. I'm sure some primitives can figure out how to carve squares.
>>711979651
You're a faggot
>>711979651
youre a faggot
>>711975994
slavery
>>711979651
you're a faggot
>>711978813
>but greed and war ruined us and we bombed each other into the stone age
> It's possible.
No, its not. There's this little ting called archaeology. More importantly, there are core samples, ice core samples, and isotope samples. If we had, then we'd have had to go into a petrochemical age, which would've shown up in ice cores as CO2 spikes (and ice core records go back more than 250,000 years, before humans were leaving africa). Geologically, we'd also have evidence in the form of drained salt dome oil reservoirs. If we'd gone a different tech route, somehow missed the carbon fuels, and jumped straight to atomic power systems, we'd have the isotope evidence. Same goes for bombing. Did you know that thanks to WW2, and the tests afterward, every living thing on this planet has a different isotope content than people born in the 15th century, of 15,000 years BC, or whenever. Those of us born after 1945 have a different amount of strontium in our teeth than those from before, just as its in the environment in tiny amounts.
it is physically impossible for any civilisation to have existed with the equal, or even close technological power of the modern world, because we have the technology to see the traces that would last for millions of years.
there's a huge load of other reasons preventing that too, but wordcount limits mean I cant fit it in here.
>>711975994
>that would require a diamond cutter
would it?
>>711975994
you know how they heated the bath houses in rome 2000 years ago?
they stuck prisoners of war (slaves) underground in fucking infernos 16 hours a day
>>711979913
I try and tell retards this all the time about the pyramids. If you have a millions slaves which the Egyptians more than likely did, you can pretty much build anything.
>>711975994
it's most likely a very mundane explanation involving a lot of human suffering
worst than being a waiter in the usa
>>711977638
Easily done? Do you realize how ridiculous you sound with that statement?
>>711979787
>>quarried
FTFY
>>711980383
Actually egypt didn't really have slaves. There are no real, verifiable historical accounts of it. Only in the Bible, was there a story of slaves in egypt. And we know that's all made up and unable to be verified.
>>711980383
Yeah, you tell them retards. Oh, btw, it's been pretty decisively decided by Egyptologists that paid labor was responsible for the pyramids, not slavery. But keep taking your intellectual talking points from comedians, Louis CK.
>>711975994
fallens / ayy lmao / demons / gods / interdimensional beings
whatever you wish to call 'em
>>711980659
>>711980672
Was gonna say this.
>>711976504
underrated post.
>>711975994
>autism is not a recent development unique to OP
>>711976616
bronze most likely.
>>711975994
the fact that they wasted time cutting a fucking rock proves how ignorant they were
>>711980754
Best advice I ever heard from a comedian was, "don't judge all human achievement by your own limitations." Just because you can't accomplish shit without slave labor doesn't mean entire civilizations didn't.
>>711980383
Except long straight holes through that stone, with copper tools.
Also it's damn hard to get the last 15% of stone that high, even on a 25 ft high replica with bobcats.
They didn't just throw more labor at it, they did some very clever stuff.
>>711976484
of all the things that never happened this never happened the most
>>711979862
>>711979866
>>711979962
get a lot of this guy.
>>711975994
>find big hard rock
>find small hard rock
>hit big rock with little rock
>repeat repeat repeat
>replace small hard rock as needed
That wouldn't require a diamond cutter you retard
Just need a chisel, I know because I've cut similar features into granite before
>>711980383
It wouldn't have even required that. There's a great, in-depth video debunking Ancient Aliens where there's a segment where the techniques used to carve stone were explained. Techniques using technology available at the time.
These people love to overstate how difficult it is to carve stone so that they can claim it would require futuristic technology from aliens to pull it off. Many of these claims come from one person, who's basically on the level of L. Ron Hubbard in terms of his charlatan reputation. Other people (like the familiar guy with the crazy hair in the "Aliens" meme) are just proteges who parrot his words and likely either don't actually believe it themselves, or just haven't put enough critical thought into it to question the bullshit they're spouting.
that is God's work
>>711981174
who would tell lies on the internet?
>>711975994
Did it not occur to you that the ancients might also have access to diamonds?
>>711980659
So you're ruling out slaves entirely? Even without any accounts of such, it seems a big brash on your part. But hey, what do I know, you're the all knowing factfaggot.
>>711980992
Don't tell random angry teenagers on the internet that they shouldn't feel superior to ancient cultures, sir, it's their right to feel unwarranted superiority as an American.
>>711980933
The same thing could be said about existing at all. What we spend our time doing really has no relevance.
>>711975994
If you had a slave army of thousands they could do it OP. Easily. Even if it meant generations to finish it.
>>711980659
>>711980672
Beer
The economy driving force for thousands of years
>>711975994
M U D
B R I C K
>>711981363
By your logic, we shouldn't rule out aliens entirely, either. But all of the historical accounts, and there's many (in many forms and from many sources) that indicate they hired the farmers to work on the pyramids when the farmers couldn't farm due to the seasons.
But you can believe what you want to believe, being the allfeeling feelie faggot who chooses to believe whatever random bullshit you want because of your feelies.
They used Solar Stonecutting technology. Thats why they worshiped the sun and also the skill of their builders.
>>711981314
internet liars
>>711980101
Thank you for these dank ass infos.
>>711981687
It doesn't come down to feelies you faggot but what I find even more revolting is how somebody can be so quick to suck on the tit of others work as to so much act like you know what you're talking about. Go read some more you dweeb.
outsourced to china
>>711980101
Actually no, not if the areas that had been drilled and mined were destroyed by bombs or other explosives.
> we have the technology to see the traces that would last for millions of years.
which is crap because you assume man socially evolved with the same technology we have.
You're a faggot, basically.
>>711980101
So in layman terms you've never really grabbed a girl right in the pussy. Virgin af.
>>711978813
Things were so much better before the Finno-korean Hyperwar
>>711978259
This. Throw enough free time and human suffering at any problem and you can do anything
>>711975994
not sure if /x/ or troll
soft metals can chisel hard stone, you just have to re-shape the chisel all the time
ancient builders had a line system where one team was dedicated to tool making
straight lines were achieved mainly by sanding
it just took them a LONG time
precision becomes much easier when you work that slowly as well, nobody spends six days cutting at the wrong angle by accident
(well, nobody but egypt)
and 60% of their employment base were labourers, and people had a lot of time back then
>>711982504
>Finnish & Korean Empires
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA OH WOW
>>711975994
>nearly impossible for modern man
would take me a day
>>711982445
I prefer to grab them by the left and right hemispheres. Its more successful.
>>711982329
>My ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.
>>711982651
>it just took them a LONG time
+1 point for slave labor
>>711975994
swamp gas
>>711982836
Just pointing obvious holes in a smug post
you'll get over it
>>711982735
faggot you'd be chipping at the same grain of sand at the end of the day when they come for your heart to rip it out
>>711975994
>require
we dont need diamond saws and shit, but we can have them to make the job easier so why not? you can break stone and smooth it out only using metal
>>711975994
That's not nearly impossible for modern man to make, hell that's not even hard for modern man to make.
That wouldn't even be hard for man to make 500 years ago.
>>711982504
Finnish empire kek
>>711983141
Actually no, what OP is saying is that ancients had advanced knowledge controlled by the priests and when the Spanish came to the new world, that knowledge died along with the priests who were executed as heretics.
>>711982952
the only holes are your mind.
geology is geology. it doesnt change. the areas where oil would be, would be the same.
if the areas where they drilled were "were destroyed by bombs or other explosives." then there would be great, gaping 4-5000 foot deep craters pockmarking the entire globe. There arent. If they were destroyed by other means, we would still have the remains.
then there's things like shock lattice in quartz grains, which would be left behind from such detonations. The evidence would be there, written into the surviving stone.
your ideas have absolutely NO connection to reality. And that's just the geology. then you have the ice core sampling, the radioisotope levels, the fossil record, the complete lack of a single archaeological find in any layer older than about 100,000 years old. We arent digging up 1/4 million year old chunks of aluminium - a metal that does not oxidise easily. we arent finding layers of refuse. we arent finding graves, or burials. we arent finding chunks of concrete, or ceramics which last milennia unchanged.
there's no evidence. It is not possible. You simply dont know enough about archaeology, or geology, to know why its nonsense.
>>711975994
crazy thought right here
>>711981082
the expression is "get a load of this guy" you fucking slav
>>711975994
No smart phones, interwebs, TV, Scrabble, dice...nothing. They had a LOT of time on their hands.
>>711976370
okay, it was ancient aliens, (since the stone was cut so long ago)
>>711975994
triangle
triangle triangle
>>711984008
They had fucking dice anon
>>711983782
>Another geologyfag reporting in.
Can confirm the isotope line after the nuclear bomb tests. Right after the first bombs went off, certain isotopes in sedimentation went through the roof. We haven't seen such a spike in any old sedimentary rock so far.
![ra,fitted_v_neck,x1100,fafafa_ca443f4786,front-c,260,195,225,375-pad,220x294,ffffff.2[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/X7II8QX.jpg "ra,fitted_v_neck,x1100,fafafa_ca443f4786,front-c,260,195,225,375-pad,220x294,ffffff.2[1].jpg")
>>711983782
How would you know a previous advanced society used aluminum? Because we do?
And if they did, how do you know that they didn't advance beyond us and learn how to recycle materials instead of mining them?
How do you know that the population wasn't concentrated in just one or a few areas?
How do you know what kind of destructive forces were used? If it isn't fission or conventional weaponry, then that lends itself to the possibility that our ancestors were destroyed by technology we haven't come up with.
Also, dickwad a lot of major earthquakes and violent volcanic eruptions have occurred over the past half million years and subduction zones could easily erase evidence of mining operations.
>You simply dont know enough about archaeology, or geology,
and yet your assumptions are so easily challenged. How does that work?
>>711975994
sand and lots of friction
it's not "cut out" as much as grinded down
t. archaeologist
>>711984554
>and yet your assumptions are so easily challenged. How does that work?
Any idiot can post any dumb thing on the internet.
This seems achievable by man thousands of years ago. Archaeologists have found remains of a primitive, but gigantic city in Africa, that's estimated to be more than 100 thousand years old. So civilisation it seems had a slow start, and a long time period for these techniques to have been developed.
There are some crazy examples of ancient workmanship though. The great pyramid of Giza is beyond crazy even. It has a spherical ball in socket foundation that shifts with the earth, making it earth-quake proof, it's perfectly alined with true north and the Orion constellation and it's technically an 8-sided pyramid due to the slight concaving of each pyramid wall - something that can only be noticed in spring and autumn when the sun its it a certain way.
How fucking crazy is that? None of that shit is common in Pyramids, and Giza is one of the oldest pyramids.
![rtjh6j5e6j5[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/Nv7yRcw.jpg "rtjh6j5e6j5[1].jpg")
>>711985154
Sadly thanks to iconoclasm, we've lost critical bits of knowledge that could have saved our species from extinction.
It's possible to reinvent the wheel and brainstorm some of that lost knowledge and test it, but we'd have to devote shit-tons of resources to do it.
>>711984554
>How would you know a previous advanced society used aluminum? Because we do?
that was one example. There's also the absence of ferrous metal mining. Or copper mining. or uranium mining. there's the absence of silica mining (glass), or ceramics, or oil drilling.
So, an "advanced society" that doesn't use metals, doesn't use ceramics, doesn't use glass, doesn't use petrochemicals, doesn't leave any CO2 spike in ice cores indicating fuel use....
That means its not an advanced society. its pre-industrial.
I know its hard for you to grasp, but these technologies are sort of the building blocks of advanced tech.
> how do you know that they didn't advance beyond us and learn how to recycle materials instead of mining them?
Because to REcycle materials, first they have to enter the cycle. Through mining, drilling, or other gathering methods
>How do you know that the population wasn't concentrated in just one or a few areas?
Because if it were, then they wouldnt have had trade. that would've meant they couldnt have had all the other resources needed for advanced technology. The world has been a global economy since minoan vessels were shipping cornish tin and afghan lapis from different ends of the earth
Without that, again, its not a bronze age civilisation, yet alone advanced
>Also, dickwad a lot of major earthquakes and violent volcanic eruptions have occurred over the past half million years and subduction zones could easily erase evidence of mining operations.
are you trying to say that earthquakes refill oil reservoirs, magically replace strip-mines with fresh rock, and volcanoes suck up CO2 and remove it from the ice core record?
Well, in that case, yes they must have existed... and they all rode magical unicorns through the sky and fuelled their civilisation on rainbow unicorn poop.
>and yet your assumptions are so easily challenged.
Just because you come up with nonsensical ideas with no connection to reality does not "challenge" the facts.
>>711975994
rock isent as hard as they say
>>711986067
isn't it obvious?
>>711986366
Blasphemer.
>>711975994
hammer and chisel
>>711986067
I've actually always wondered what the archeological horizons for different technology levels would be. Would an earlyindustrial civilization leave traces after 5 million years? A modern civilization after a billion?
>>711976703
What does water do?
>>711975994
They obviously used diamond cutters, based on your logic
>>711975994
Bitch that's red sandstone, not titanium. All you need is a square and a chisel.
>>711986520
its what would have been needed. a big magic "erase history" button.
the amazing thing is, there's just so much.
to make early iron - the stuff before you reach the industrial age - you have to make what's called a bloomery. its a glorified chimney full of iron-rich rock, pumped with air to get a fire hot enough. And extracting it creates slag. That's molten lava-like spongey crap, that gets skimmed off the top of the iron. and its found, by the ton, all over the world, in archaeology - go to england, and dig to the levels of the romans, or the 7th C AD, and you'll find roman, or saxon bloomeries all over the place. loads of scrap. dig deeper than the bronze age, nothing - not a bit. because the technology wasnt happening. it would be impossible to reach a tech level of recycling, without first making the stuff like that.
but there's nothing, because they didnt exist. and that applies for hundreds of industries, or activities, like mining or drilling or even just forestry, or even farming - we breed animals to be bigger, and there's none. the species back then were small, as they were up till about 5000 years ago. if there had been the creation of crop-yeilding grain, or bred farm animals, we'd see the trace in DNA studies.
its comical to even imagine it. you would need a magic button that literally wiped the earth clean, and repopulated it, replaced the very rock and soil, to do it. its utterly impossible.
>>711987408
what if the evidence is buried in the ocean?
>>711987408
What if, and it's a big if, an ancient civilisation was advanced, or even spawned, by extra terrestrials?
Skipping the stone age with the help of technology a few millennia beyond the social age.
It's far fetched, but I think entirely possible. If I owned a private space exploration company and found a resource rich planet with a species of primitive, gullible humanoid creatures, I would almost certainly manipulate them.
Then NASA would find out and the government would probably try to erase my interference with that planet.
[I'm not the guy you were arguing with btw]
>>711979651
You're a faggot
>>711979651
You're a fuckin faggot
How didnt pre-historic main "paint" images that a modern 3d printer cant accurately produce?
>>711976370
Ancient Aliens Debunked (Part 1) - Megalithic Sites
https://youtu.be/mN7T8WzpZi8
it it sad that I learned more history from this than the actual History channel.>>711976703
The whole documentary debunks all claims Ancient Aliens claimed.
>>711986921
>I've actually always wondered what the archeological horizons for different technology levels would be. Would an earlyindustrial civilization leave traces after 5 million years? A modern civilization after a billion?
Late Renaissance, 1600's europe? That could just about be lost after a few million years - mines might be mistaken for weird water-cut channels by then. Forests regrow, ice cap data's lost after a few million years. An ice age or two would scrub the entire surface of structures down to the soil.
Early industrial, something making large volumes of iron, like england in 1800? then everything changes, you get the slag and dross, and that's effectively vitrified rock. Even an ice age, which would scour the surface, would push the slags downstream, and into moraines and eskers. that would then be discovered by anyone digging an esker to use as a gravel pit, it would have chunks of slag, that could be dated not by radiocarbon dating, but by isotope dating.
Modern era? Half-life of uranium-235 is 704 million years. Anything using atomic reactions will leave traces like that which will pollute the planet for half a billion years, for the most sensitive equipment - and a fuel dump will be a cluster underground for half a billion years, even if almost impossible to find. Oil wells will be reburied by plate tectonics over perhaps 100 million years, and surfaces will be smoothed by then too, so even huge open cast mines might be mistaken for a crater that left little trace. New oil will form in about 400 million years, and the earth's continents will have moved so much that it would be almost all gone, just the isotopes of the long-lived radioactive elements as a quiet indicator of our existence.
Realistically speaking, everything pre atom-age will be hard to find after 50 million years. everything after, its hundreds of millions for all trace to go.
>>711976852
>>711988306
GO TO 4 minute mark
>>711979651
that was not at all the same idea
youre a fag
lurk moar
>>711975994
string and sand, dumbass.
>>711980548
taking a long time doesnt mean something is hard, it just means its tedious
>>711988544
>An ice age or two would scrub the entire surface of structures down to the soil
And yet we know so much about dinosaurs...
>>711975994
> diamond to cut stone
all you need are slaves+hammers over time
>>711988762
>dinosaurs built structures.
Magic sandpaper
Check em
>>711988306
>>711988544
Sometimes /b/ can be a place of learning
>>711976852
This video is very informative and well done, except the twist ending
>>711988544
Thanks, this is exactly what I was wondering about.
>>711988762
dinosaurs were around for a looooong time. Considering the numbers that must have lived and died, we have a small fraction
>>711988953
>an ice age will destroy all evidence of structures.
>dinosaur bones melt steel beams.
>>711975994
it doesnt have to be diamond tools, it just has to be a rock that harder than the big rock
>>711975994
because none of that shit is real. you can chisel that stone with bismuth bronze, and what do you know? the stones have chisel shaped molds on them almost as if the tools were cast on site. :\
>>711988035
>what if the evidence is buried in the ocean?
then HP lovecraft's "Deep Ones" are real. and we are just a recent, loud, troublesome species of ape on the surface who sometimes drop our rubbish into their homes, and someday, they're going to be angry at us, and we're so fucked...
We've mapped shallow seas, its the deep ocean that is less well-known than the far side of the moon. but we know about the civilisations that existed in what is now sea. (take a look for "Doggerland" - the ancient land bridge between england and france / netherland. We've found artefacts from 15,000 years ago from there, like tools lost in the sea bed, and the bones of giant rhinocerous and mastodons, and circles of wood (a structure called woodhenge on the edge of the sea). Its like somethng from "conan" or "skyrim" a weird lost atlantis...)
>>711988086
while it might be a one in a trillion odds of possibilty, it does raise the obvious question "why havent they returned"? And of course, where's the evidence? we've covered the entire globe, and we cant see any evidence of anything of even bronze age tech. if an ancient high-tech city had existed, we'd have seen something, because cities then would be built in hospitable areas, just as now. they're not going to be under the gobi desert or in antarctica.
>>711977200
Is that Jar Jar?
>>711975994
Some method of cast-in-place liquid stone technique that has been lost to time.
>>711989542
i like this guy. you are wicked smart my man
>>711980176
Of course it wouldn't. The "not saying it's aliens, but it's aliens" crowd likes to down play how easy stone working is if you have an abundance of slaves or dedicated works and all the time in the world to get it done.
>>711975994
Alien tools
>>711989662
Im hanging around this thread until he stops responding
The nephilim builders before the great flood. They were giants and the hybrid offspring of human and fallen angels known as the watchers.
>>711988762
>And yet we know so much about dinosaurs...
we really dont.
we have evidence for a handful of nests. clutches of eggs in the mongolian desert, that sort of thing. We have absolutely no evidence of any other nests, in north america, or europe. We have bones of animals that fell in rivers, or sunk to the bottom of seas, or were buried in freak events. we know maybe 1 millionth of the species. some, like Triceratops and Torosaurus, we used to think were different species, and now we think were juvenile and adult. So even those that are well-known, we dont really know a lot about. we certainly cant say that T-rex was green and red, or yellow and black or even if they were fat or skinny.
and ice ages WILL scour the land down to the soil. the bones we have are those that were underneath the soil, and were thus protected from ice ages.
>>711980101
On this planet...
Neanderthals built all the megalith sites.
>>711988306
>>711989542
>why havent they returned
to continue my analogy. If some evidence of the culture I exploit on another planet is uncovered by their archaeologists. And they discover this ancient civilisation was unusually advanced for the time period, they could ask the same question. The answer would be, that the deity impersonating asshole that exploited this culture was arrested and has been dead for a few thousand years. Nobody has come back because it would likely be against our space exploration laws to fuck with a species that's been quietly evolving without interference for a few million years.
The evidence could very well be the Sumarians, or like I'm suggestion, the ancient alien version of NASA showed up and erased it. There possibly wouldn't be any evidence in the first place. If my interference with a civilisation was to expand their minds, show them how to make tools, and then use the anti-gravity app on my iphone of a few thousand years from now to lift some rocks into place, what evidence of my interference would there be after I've left?
>>711990132
It's triceratops and protoceratops, faggot. And ion the 1800s the first dinosaur eggs were found in a nest in France. Try harder.
>>711990680
touche
>>711975994
There are people who are smarter or talented than average. Or just average people who thought a lot about this. Either way, we have brains, so we can.
Machu Picchu
>2430 m elevation
>Shit-ton of stones, most of them perfectly carved to interlock, also trapezoid building pattern meant to act against common earthquakes
>>711989954
>>711989662
eh, I'm just a historian who spends a lot of time working with geologists and archaeologists.
gives me a good frame of reference for studying geological time.
The one I've often thought about is "could there have been an intelligent, advanced dinosaur?" our species is 1/2 million years old. Dinosaurs had 120 million years. Could a velociraptor-like species with good vision and dextrous hands have reached sentience, built radios, made telecopes, and seen the asteroid that approached them? Its a fascinating "what if?", but the evidence simply doesnt bear it out - all those reasons of industry and economics, maritime navigation resulting in species becoming prevalent over the whole planet, remains in strata layers of broken bone from butchering or ceramic pot-shards, or glass, or traces of carbon from hearths. all those things would survive in some forms, yet none do.
>>711990876
I'll admit there's no hard evidence suggestion this has happened, and it's one of those convenient explanations that could be twisted to explain everything that doesn't make sense in our history, but it can't be written off completely.
And it really would explain why primitive humans made such a point of writing down these bizarre stories of powerful beings descending from the skies in chariots of fire.
>>711980933
>the fact that they wasted time discussing shit in a thread that would disappear within an hour or two all day every day on /b/ proves how ignorant they were
fix'd
>>711990935
Yep and those huge stones were mined 40 miles away. Are you familiar with the Biblical perspective on this? The nephilim that the bible speaks of were the giant hybrid offspring of human women and fallen angels. It is thought that they may have been building something to try to escape the coming great flood that the bible and other ancient books tell of.
>>711990866
no, its triceratops and torosaurus, the two species of north america, the late Maastrichtian stage of the Cretaceous period, about 68 million years ago.
Protoceratops is about 5 million years older. completely different species.
you're right on the first eggs being found in france, though.
>>711988306
why does it lose sound at 25?
>>711990956
Yeah I never bought into lost advanced civilizations or alien tech or that kind of thing.
What was fascinating for me was highlighting all the civilization "tells" that are out there like the slag, or the exceptionally long half lives of radioactive materials we produce, and the other time scales you highlighted.
It's all straightforward and simple, but not necessarily obvious.
>>711990935
It's amazing how tight those stones fit. It's as if they had some kind of technology to soften the stone to the consistency of a marshmallow and form it. The civilizations that followed the ones who build those walls tried to copy it but theirs were far inferior. The oldest structures were the most advanced
>>711991805
>why does it lose sound at 25?
it has sound, try reloading the page
How was it possible for man to make these hand held information devices that would require more knowledge than was available to them at that time?
skip to about the 7 minute mark https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWc68NR8sH0
>>711991430
>doesn't make sense in our history
Very little in history doesn't make sense.
>>711991430
those stories are so widespread - inca, greeks, chinese, africa, that if it were happening, then we werea planetary crossroads once, the number of visitors.
the problem with the theory is, there's no evidence. it could be magical unicorn furries who cane to earth for interspecies yiffing. Now that's a horrible thought. But there's no proof its... you might as well argue its elves and "god did it". as someone taught and trained in the scientific method, who is very firmly atheist, the leap to a conclusion like that with absolutely no evidence is madness. you might as well be that guy waving a bible screaming that Lucifer or angels were behind it. We can only know for sure what we can observe, measure, and record. So if they did use the Iphone-9000 to anti-grav everything away, as rational, sane people, we're kind of fucked. because we've just thrown away the scientific method. We forget Newton's laws, because its actually the Flying Spaghetti Monster that pushes back when we exert force, and so on. Reality breaks down. I'm inclined to avoid concluding its magical shit that cannot be observed or recorded, for that reason, it re-writes reality. that's just fucking stupid.
>>711981363
The logic is that with slave labor you can easily get people to work by threatening them, but only enough to manage not to invoke your wrath. Whoever built the pyramids were not half-assing it to avoid a beating. They were skilled professionals who took pride in their work. Otherwise they wouldn't still be standing there today for people to admire. Also, as mentioned there are no historical records to suggest slavery was ever used om such a wide scale in Ancient Egypt, and they kept very good records.
I say that as a skilled laborer(machinist) myself. I enjoy my job, and doing it well is important to me. Usually any job I do will have a reasonable tolerance, but I still do not like to settle for close enough. It bothers me whenever I end up with something other than what I was shooting for. It bothers me when the material I'm working with doesn't end up with a finish that looks pleasing to me. I don't want things to be merely acceptable, I want them to be correct. I don't want to be just good enough to be worth keeping on the payroll, I want my work to be a reflection of my devotion to learning my trade. I don't know of any other machinists who aren't also like this to some degree. Welders either for that matter.
>>711991846
its the stuff no-one thinks about that is most fascinating.
like, what it takes to make a sword. one guy in a forge? hell no. one sword in 1500 AD is the product of a chain of probably 200+ people, from mines to fineries, to charcoal burners, to barges, to foundries forging blades to others making hilts, to other guilds making the scabbards, and all the farmers making the food they eat as they cant farm while making steel, and so on.
its incredible the infrastructure that's needed for civilisation. And the stuff we leave behind. Ever thrown a mug out because its handle broke off? that mug will break in two, three, maybe ten peices. but in a million years, it'll still be in those peices, and you could fit it back together and say "this was a mug".
that sort of impact we never think about. Environmentalism talks about not making half the species extinct. but let me tell you. in half a billion years, mankind will be gone. but whatever comes after us - be it evolved, or be it landing on this blue world, if they reach our tech level, they will be able to see the traces of you and I, and the actions of those who lived in our lifetime. our refuse will form geological layers, our have left isotopes, the iron will rust into the earth again, aluminium will be gone in a few million, but your broken mug might just be dug out the ground, same as dinosaur bones are today.
makes you think, doesnt it?
>>711993218
well spoken
>>711975994
What's a chisel?
>>711991430
>why primitive humans made such a point of writing down these bizarre stories of powerful beings descending from the skies in chariots of fire
nigga, everybody dreams/daydreams about weird dudes doing weird shit in the sky
>>711989071
>>711975994
All you need is a chisel and 40 years of bored as fuck.
>>711986560
A lot of archeologists and scientists are able to explain things we thought phenomenal now that we've discovered magic.
>>711994210
Maybe because they've grown up in a world where a weird dude in the sky is a much talked about concept?
It just seems strange that most religions talk about it in the same way - as a dude(s) who literally descends from the sky as this spiritually revered space man.
>>711995047
remember, you live in an age where a "space man" is a concept you can comprehend.
go back to medieval bohemia, or roman pompeii, or egypt, or the likes. where is a magical thing going to come from?
well, it can come from the earth, or the sky.
and the myths all say that the nasty things are from below. its dirty, its dark in caves, caverns are scary. they have bears in them. And if not bears, behemian kobolds. or icelandic elves. or greek devils. some parts of the earth are fire - climb a volcano, look in, and its hellfire and sulphur. that stuff is clearly evil.
So if its not there, So its the sky. is bright, its airy, there's a great ball of fire that lights the day.
So this is not heavy, not sulphurous.
so this is where the good things come from.
So great powerful things come from the sky - the heavens. God is in the heavens, if you're in christian ages. If you were greek, tehy lived on the highest mountain, up in the sky.
there's logic behind it. and of course, there's also cross-pollination. Jesus is born on december 25th, same as Horus from egypt, Easter is the same festival as the old pagan one. and so on. so around the globe you get myth and story that's spread to other places, and evolves and cross-pollinates, so all cultures have thier ideas of sky gods, or dark-dwelling things, and so on.
>>711981037
Holy shit! I'm high as a kite and this is the best line I've ever read! Rock on fellow!
>>711995898
now, tell that same person who knows of gods in the bright places that its someone coming down from a void of nothingness and a vast gulf from another star.
that's so far beyond thier frame of reference they'd think of YOU as the mad one.
that's the fun bit. social context, understanding of their comprehension of the world around them is just one part of understanding what people were like and the thoughts they had.
>>711975994
The serious answer is that you don't know much about pre-industrial stone masonry.
If italians can sculpt perfect tits and ass into marble without diamond cutters, it's more than possible to make the stuff you're posting.
>>711994216
I will admit that even though I don't like the theory itself, I do find the show entertaining and giorgio tsoukalos is really pretty fucking chill and awesome in person. He's apparently pretty big into black/death metal.
>>711978520
>>711993622
>Half a billion years mankind will be gone
Only because we've advanced so far as to no longer go by the same name. How would the lineage of mankind be broken?
>>711975994
You don't need carbon tools to cut that shit rock you dummy. Stuff is soft enough to carve with flint.
>>711982329
Explosives don't actually "destroy" things, they blow them apart. Their constituent parts would still exist. We've cored all over the earth, we do archaeology basically everywhere. There is no evidence of a previous super advanced human species, especially not one destroyed by ultra warfare.
>>711997606
For your idiots.....
Flint is a hard, sedimentary cryptocrystalline form of the mineral quartz,[1][2] categorized as a variety of chert. It occurs chiefly as nodules and masses in sedimentary rocks, such as chalks and limestones.[3][4] Inside the nodule, flint is usually dark grey, black, green, white or brown in colour, and often has a glassy or waxy appearance. A thin layer on the outside of the nodules is usually different in colour, typically white and rough in texture. From a petrological point of view, "flint" refers specifically to the form of chert which occurs in chalk or marly limestone. Similarly, "common chert" (sometimes referred to simply as "chert") occurs in limestone.
As my grandpa used to say, it's done so it doesn't fucking matter any more.
>>711997886
Maybe ultra warfare deaths were jist that. Ultra and the bodies were gone after they died?
>>711998412
I didn't say jack about bodies, they had structures, technologies, fucking cups. Any sort of tool whatsoever from any point in their rise to power. Any traces of any level of civilization on their way to being a super power. Read the other posts in this thread on the matter.
>>711995998
Don't call me a fellow. I don't know you bitch......trying to compliment me and shit! Fag!
First of all, it would not take a diamond drill but lots of time and simple tools and second, you are retarded.
>>711998626
Fuck off. How did the pyramids get here? Read the other threads in the BIBLE jack wad. That's even why we speak different languages! The Tower of Babel was the reason. There was technology WAY above ours.
>>711975994
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BsqOLCXYznE
>>711997397
>How would the lineage of mankind be broken?
lets see. short term? climate change. sea level rise resulting in 40% of the populated areas being flooded. kessler syndrome trapping us here, to fuck it up further. any one of a hundred epidemics - hell, look at the mortality rate in 1919 from spanish flu.
longer term? we're overdue another asteroid the size of the to wipe out the dinosaurs - they happen ever 50-60 million years. Yellowstone erupting. a gamma-ray burst when Betelgeuse finally goes supernova - its close enough it could sterilise the planet.
Plain simple evolution. Half a billion years ago, we were just out of the pre-cambrian. The dinosaurs have come and gone in 1/5th that time.
We a sa species might last a few million, maybe even more. but intelligence is not an evolutionary advantage, in many ways. We could easily evolve to be dumb idiots who tick along in caves for a million years, and we're at the high water mark now, while most of the population are content to just state at moving pictures and the likes.
we're not immortal, we certainly wont last.
personally, its my opinion that that's the answer for the fermi paradox. Time is vast. Chances are, the intelligent other species on nearby worlds are either already long dead, or will come long after us.
>>711999107
theres always one....
>>711975994
i have a good idea. and a video :D
reply OP and ill post it
>>712001059
fuck it im going to sleep
https://youtu.be/BsqOLCXYznE
>>711975994
http://ancientaliensdebunked.com
>>711975994
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhx14ijzupM
>>711975994
Give a random bored Finnish dude enough alcohol and he will make you some of those stone things if you want.
