TIME TO PETITION THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/the-way-out-of-trumpland-hail-mary-pass-to-save-the_us_582b2f65e4b0852d9ec21d4e
Without the electoral college every election would be decided by NY and california.
>>711967277
They won't listen to a bunch of foreigners,illegals and underage kids.
This is how Civil Wars start. Trump won fair and square despite the entire media,hollywood,establishment,his own party and wall street against him. The electoral system is a winner takes all system and Trump won 306-232.
They should just suck it up and stop being children.
If it was going to happen it would have happened with Gore.
Trump is our next President. Fuck you.
>>711967544
Trump has won NOTHING yet, he needs to get the EC to vote for him or else all he has is a participation award
>>711967847
Bush wasn't a sociopath unfit to serve
>>711967527
you say that as if that would be a bad thing, you funny
>>711968123
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
>>711968016
The EC are PLEDGED to him by the law, thats people vote for. Thats why the system is in place if there was no system the entire electoral process would be decided by NY and CA. He won 30 states and split Maine for the first time since 1828. She won 20 states and lost the entire democrat blue wall.
SHE
WAS
A
DISASTER
306-232
Get the fuck over it.
>>711967277
I dont get it. Trump won the popular vote. They found over 3million illegals voted for hillary. As in people who's votes don't count. Hillary lost BOTH popular and electoral. Trump is new president, and we will see to his inauguration.
>>711968459
no they are not pledged, and a pledge is not a law, 27 states have very minor sanctions for not following the herd, the rest , no problem with voting their conscience at all
>>711968669
that isn't even good bait, jesus man if you are gonna post bullshit you need to up your game
>>711967277
So in other word you support changing the rules AFTER the game. So what next? In basketball your not going to count if the ball hits the rim? Baseball only counts as a point if you hot the ball to left field? Everyone knew the rules going in. You think hillary or trump woild have campaigned the way they did if it was poplular vote? The campaigns wpuld be completely different. I also think its funny how when asked if trump woild accept the results he said he would have to see what happens, you all freaked out like hysterical hyenias, but now you lost its muh patriatism
>>711967527
And? Ultimately its not about "the tyranny of the big states", it's about everyone's opinion mattering equally. You know, like in an actual democracy.
>>711969272
We're not a Democracy, retard
>>711969272
But it wouldnt. Only the large population areas woild win. The slums would literally decide every election
>>711967277
Trump won. Get over it.
#notmypresident means #notmyconstitution means #notmycountry
Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.
>>711967527
A vote in wyoming is worth 6 Californian votes
In the end we're all American
You can get 60million signatures and nothing will happen
>>711969396
I never said we were.
>>711969419
Except not at all. An interesting explanation, to put this another way, is that small states like North Dakota have an unusually high amount of Electoral votes despite their incredibly low population. Which means that their vote, incidentally, is actually more meaningful than someone who lives in California, where it means very little.
>>711969474
>mfw eurotrash complaining on an american operated board
>>711969474
Everyone knows trump cheated. He bought off the election officals. This has been proven. Hillary won by over 9,000,000 votes wothout drumpf cheatibg. And she would of had 389 electorial votes. How bout that fucks
>>711969419
Large population= people, ie everyone's votes should count.
>>711969130
no I support using the rules to get my desired results, get the EC college to do the fucking job they were designed to do, protect the office of the president from the window licking voters and the sociopath candidates
>>711967277
ATTENTION FAGGOTS!!!!
the USA is not a republic. it's a federation. learn the difference.
>>711967277
Time to realize nothing EVER comes from petitions.
>>711969632
You understand regions right? So say we have farmers that feed the nation. City folks dont understand shit about farming. So the farmers want a canidate that may understand them better. Well in a pure popular vote that would never happen. They ljterally never would have a canidate that could win. Electorial college helps because it alows regions as in states choose what works for them
>>711969879
Plenty of things have been brought to govt attention and then changed thanks to petitions.
I agree though in this case it's a massive waste of time.
>>711969272
What? "it's about everyone's opinion mattering equally" You do realize that this doesn't actually apply either if you remove the EC vote system, right?
It would basically make 90% of the smaller states completely useless and the candidates would travel back and forth between California, NY, Texas and Florida. Is that actually more fair and/or "democratic" according to you retards?
>>711969796
Your describing hilary right
>>711970074
I'm fully aware about farmers. Because I live in North Dakota. Your example doesn't mean anything. Ultimately you're arguing for special treatment to certain individuals in a system where everyone's word is (supposed) to be equal.
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>>711967277
>http://www.huffingtonpost.com/
lol.
>>711970074
Too bad. Using that logic country bumpkins don't know shit about what city people and what the majority of the population wants. Why should they get anymore say then city people?
>>711969723
Except it doesnt. It doesnt count when 75% of the countries population lives in a city. They have different needs the rural people. But then again, im sure you think anyone who doesnt live in a city shoukd be put to death
>>711970167
No it doesn't. It means your vote is worth equal to that of someone in California. For some reason you're still operating on the idea of States as entities who directly influence the election. But if you cast your vote directly, that would no longer be the case.
I'm actually really surprised you don't get this simple concept. It would be one thing to argue that EC's offer certain advantages, but this is nonsense.
>>711970167
Yes democratic means the majority get what they want. That's the fairest way to do things.
>>711968669
I saw this but couldn't confirm. Obongo did influence them to vote.
>>711969272
We are a Constitutional Republic. The Founders did not want the mob rule of a Democracy. Democracies trample upon the rights of individuals to be free from being a part of the collective.
>>711969474
I am not the one trying to support a president elect that fell over a million votes short in the popular votes
>>711970291
It gives them a chance to be hear moron. It means that if enough regions think y is better then y can win even if x has the popular vote in 1/4 the regions. Obviously im not saying the country people should tell the city people how to live, but then thats why yiu have STATE powers. This government has taken so many things over they have no right to be in
>>711970310
Why should the 75% suffer to give special treatment to the 25%? In what world is that fair?
>>711970455
You mean, mob rule is bad when it's the Democrats only, right? Because I don't see anyone, Republican in particular, being critical of the situation now that the Republicans basically are the new establishment. They hold the Presidential seat, the House and the Senate, you see.
>>711970611
So using your own comment against you get rid of the EC, go with the popular vote and let the STATE govt look after the farmers.
>>711970167
why would states even matter if you just gave everyone a single vote and then elected the candidate with the most votes.
>the places with the most people would have the most votes.
no shit, but again, why would this matter.
Can't believe the left wanted Hillary anyway. She cheated for the nomination. So they accept her? She was getting her positions from a fucking secret AI program. No wonder she acted phony
>>711970074
yup Trump the King of agriculture, real estate was just a hobby of his
>>711970225
Really? Since when was anyone "equal". You think if i did 1 tenth the shut hillary did id get away with it like her? Equality? How about jobs, when your passed up because another race helps meet their quota? That equality? What you are saying is the cities that contain 75% of the population should control what the rest of the country does, even if say 40 states feel different, the 10 with the highest population would always win
>>711971015
>what you are saying is, the majority should beat the minority.
you are catching on.
>>711971015
Nothing wrong with that at all. That's simply majority rule.
>>711970614
By your definition say 51% of the country doesnt work, and we are pretty darn close to that now, say they want to pass a law that says all those that work have to pay 80% of their money to the gubernment to give them a living wage so they dont have to work, you think thats fair? Because the majority wants it means we have to do it right?
>>711970717
So whe the dems had all 3 8 years ago, where where you bitching about having too much power? Also the reps dont even like trump, he will be fighting both sides so bad example
>>711971331
>By your definition say 51% of the country doesnt work
What the fuck kind of statistical bullshit are you swallowing?
>>711971331
if your government started passing laws like that, you have bigger problems than your electoral system.
>>711968123
haahahhhahaaahaa this is bait
>>711970832
Wel,l if the president didnt have the power they do now and they only kept the country safe like they are supposed to and didnt tax the shit out of everyone then i wouldnt give a fuck who is president. But when they are looking to take liberties away for the "better good of the people" then we have a problem,
>>711971331
What drugs are you on. The US unemployment rate is 4.9%.
>>711969272
"A democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch" - Gary Strand
> The United States is a Consitutional Republic
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>>711971250
>niggers and tacos should decide the fate of the country
Listen to yourselves.
>>711970853
Because only the city life woild ever be represented. Sorry if you cant understand someone may have different values or needs then you
>>711968669
probably closer to 4 million
>>711970717
No I am speaking in terms of political systems. That the two corrupt parties have chosen to name themselves after two of the systems means nothing. The definitions of words has been perverted by changing their meanings over many years.
Liberals are actually far from being what liberal at all, and are for maximum government control. Republican are also for government control as well, because they are far from conservative. What you and lost people do not see is that the two parties are actually progressive, and are only the right, and left of that. There are not true republicans, nor are the liberals for individual freedoms. There demododgery is only to divert attention from themselves in order to divide the people to gain more power.
This is why I have never voted for either party, and have been hoping others would awake from their slumber to get rid of the two parties.
>>711971440
I never said the Democrats having the house was fine. Bipartisan systems in our current political climate of extremism on both sides is incredibly toxic. But that's not the discussion here.
The Trump thing remains to be seen.
>>711971672
You live in America moron not nazi Germany. Don't like it, fuck off.
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>>711971832
This has nothing to do with Democracy. These are reasonable critiques about a bipartisan system. Which is undoubtedly cancerous, but as I just got done saying: it's not really the discussion here. We're talking about Electoral Colleges.
>>711968459
Much agreed. But let's ride out these 4 years and hope for a better candidate for either party. Not hard to beat now. Kek-wise? We have to wait and see
>>711971647
So tell me how is the # calculated? Please explain
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>>711970853
Because it's a way for less useful states to matter in elections. A state with fucking 500k people still matters in the EC system because IF the final result for the two nominees ends around 250-250 or some shit. The smaller state would still do A LOT of work in the actual election process.
By your fucking logic, Hillary could have basically went around NY and California for months until the election and call it a day.
Abolishing the EC system would be just as bad as letting everyone vote because you would have a million new mexicans that votes for democrats every fucking year.
There's a reason why the mainstream media called for latinos to become citizens to vote in mass. Because 80% of them votes for the democrats.
What they should do is to abolish the "winner takes it all" bullshit, that would at least be a good start and no, I don't agree with the EC system either... I think it's fucking retarded in some ways, especially when the actual electoral votes in every state can pretty much vote for whoever they want.
>>711967277
Had there not been an electoral college then we don't know how the voting would have gone. The strategy for the parties and candidates would have been vastly different.
> don't assume Trump would have lost a straight up vote, it is simply an unknown.
>>711971864
I'm going to submit a trebuchet design to President Trump which is specifically designed to toss you and your family over the wall, Pablo.
Say it with me.
President.
Donald.
J.
Trump.
>>711971719
this simply isnt true though, just because someone is elected by a majority doesnt mean the elected official only looks after the majority.
the government is going to do whats best for the country, but it should be elected by the majority of the people.
i mean essentially your current system just means people who live in rural areas have more of a say, why not make it people with higher incomes (ie more successful) get more of a vote too. or people with a cleaner criminal record or better credit score.
i mean if you are going to discriminate and give some people more say than others, at least base it on something better than how far you have to drive to see another person.
>>711972115
You do know hitles used the ec system rught?
>>711967277
>mfw saltington post thinks anyone gives a shit about petitions
>>711971864
Nigger/Taco detected
>>711972358
>>711972307
Samefag
>>711972115
why do states even have to come into it?
why does what state you live in matter to who you think should lead the country?
>>711969272
Pure Democracy is just a Dictatorship with people pretending their opinion matters.
>>711972479
Nope, just hivemind apparently.
>>711972479
>you may not post multiple times in one thread
He wasn't even focusing on the same post you goober
downvote
https://youtu.be/Y-I2TSYXYFI
yes
>>711967277
I voted trump tho
>>711972115
This doesn't sound like an issue with the Electoral College system. This sounds like an issue of people being too homogeneous with their opinions. Which is an intellectual problem, a big one for sure. Or more specifically, an issue with the political system as a whole here in the U.S.
And with that said, I don't agree with keeping the ECs around. If they are flawed, then they should be removed.
>>711972673
this doesnt follow any kind of logic
>>711972020
The electoral college is largely in place to distribute federal administrative power so it represents more than the highest populated areas. So yeah, this is exactly about democracy since we are discussing how it is implemented.
>>711972874
If you're using the Electoral College system as the basis for what Democracy is, then you're a fool. The EC system was made with the understanding that State populations would grow, and so too would their votes to reflect these growths.
Except the votes haven't been updated in several decades. So apparently either the Electoral College system is the basis that we've ignored OR it's not actually a basis for anything.
>>711967527
tru
what a bunch of cucks
all you fucking morons, one job of the EC is to administer the will of the people, the OTHER JOB is to protect the union from a unfit president elect REGARDLESS of what they were "PLEDGED TO" and the will of the people can fuck right off, they are the firewall against a tyrant being seated as potus, they are allowed to act in the best interest of the union and totally disregard the population
>>711968669
not to mention she also had super delegate votes
>>711972831
The actual problem is that those in power have politicized every last aspect of life, which causes people to divide into groups with tribal think. Which is a very good tactic to destroy a peoples rights while they fight among each other.
>>711973237
and you have decided trump is unfit because...
>>711973075
No, I am stating that we are a constitutional republic.Something that seems lost on most people. If we were a pure democracy then the only states that would matter to the federal administration would be New York and California. Leaving 48 other states feeling a bit disenfranchised - not a good formula for a cohesive union.
>>711973407
I'm not interested in discussing this stuff. Because I feel like this is something well beyond this current conversation.
>>711972606
just sayin
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>>711969272
>Entire planet runs on numerical value democracy that scarifies independence
>Africa and India gets to decide how the US and the UK uses its military and gets more say so in the world
again...
>backwoods, uneducated, corrupt and gibs me dat India and Africa gets more say so then the United States and United Kingdom
The electoral college was literally placed so uneducated faggots like you don't vote for the entire nation. Literally, big city population doesn't equal intellectual integrity.
>>711973438
He is litteraly hotler and stallin combined
>>711973609
>The electoral college was literally placed so uneducated faggots like you don't vote for the entire nation. Literally, big city population doesn't equal intellectual integrity.
And how, exactly, do States equal intellectual integrity? It doesn't seem like you thought this statement through at all.
>>711973438
I believe that is the case and I am asking the EC to consider that position
>>711972606
Because americans live in the states and the states is a part of america. Hence the United STATES of America.
What's your reasoning? I don't get it.
>>711972831
The ONLY reason your talking about this now is because Hillary lost. If it was the other way around, you wouldn't even be mentioning this.
Well let me tell you this, you wouldn't even know the actual outcome of the election.. it would be entirely different because the tactics would change for both candidates.
And then THAT popular vote system would be blamed for not being friendly to the other states that is a part of the UNITED STATES.
Either way. This is how the system is built.. it won't change. Your candidate lost, get over it.
>>711973609
Anyone who lives in a city has a higher iq then yhe countyr people. Litterally a proven fact
>>711973075
The EC is only the basis for the two parties to stay in power. Our current two aristocratic parties have ignored many thing in the Constitution.
>>711972606
Because (at least on paper) we are a republic of states, not a single federal state. The federalists have been diluting from the beginning but it still stands as the basis for the constitution.
>>711973477
But don't you think the opposite is currently what has happened? Where the states with the populations, yet with the lowest votes per person, aren't feeling disenfranchised as a result?
Although I would agree that such a circumstance would happen. The EC system doesn't solve this issue either.
>>711972453
Nope 100% white with an English background. Try again hillbilly.
>>711973830
inb4 inner city niggers.
the highest educated people live in the suburbs, this is the actual fact.
>>711973803
You're trying to attack me personally. But I don't see why. It's meaningless rhetoric targetted against an anon whom you know nothing about.
But if you really want to know. I've never liked the EC system. And was the primary reason for me not voting. And if its any constellation, I live in a swing state.
>>711973519
But it is how the EC got so far out of whack, so it is relevant.
>>711973803
>Because americans live in the states and the states is a part of america. Hence the United STATES of America.
>What's your reasoning? I don't get it.
ok, so give everyone who lives in a state a vote.
you still didnt answer my question, why does WHICH state you live in matter to who you think should run the country.
>>711973902
didnt answer my question.
>>711973803
>The ONLY reason your talking about this now is because Hillary lost. If it was the other way around, you wouldn't even be mentioning this.
not true the only reason this has come up is because trump appears to have enough EC votes to be seated as POTUS, if Joe Biden or Rand Paul won, nobody would be having this discussion because they are not dangerous sociopathic morons , Trump is, Trump is unfit to serve
See we are fighting because the centralmgov has toommich power. The states should do 90% ofnwhat the feds do. Fedsnshould run a military, treatys ansbhit. Keep us safe. The states should domthe nity grity. Ca has diffenernt needs then texas then alabama. You cant centralize it because jts too different.
>>711974143
It's relevant. I'm not arguing against that. But I feel like this is taking the conversation well out of scope of the current discussion. Talking about political affiliations, dynamics and influences is a huge topic in of itself.
>>711974278
>I didn't get what I want so I'm going to scream and cry like the baby I am
>>711974278
Your opinion = fact. Sorry, didnt know you were God
>>711974278
apparently enough people think he is fit enough to serve to vote for him. why do you know better?
>>711967277
>4 mil petition signers
>60 mil trump voters
Have fun
>>711974289
Fuck off fag. You,re the reason we have these issues fucking communist bastard
>>711974551
Enough Electoral Colleges think he is fit, it is an important difference. Hence this whole thread.
>>711973958
If you are proposing that the EC be replaced with a new method that still keeps the power structure of the states in place then fine, I think it should be considered.
Leading back to the source of this thread, which is that people want to replace the EC with popular vote I say be careful what you ask for. First, every previous election cannot be used as an example of a EC/Pop outcome because the party/candidate strategy would have been vastly different, second if every 4 years the federal administration is decided by NY and Cali then at least half of the states (24) would become fairly upset. It would not be sustainable.
>>711967277
of course its a huffingtonpost article, fuck of libtard
>>711974018
>inb4 inner city niggers.
you cant dismiss the tons of warehouse, factory and doc workers with low IQs. Yes educated people live in the suburbs but their offspring lack life experience, its always been like this. People living in smallish towns / countryside have a better sum "intelligence" then large cities. Compton outweighs Beverly Hills and North Hollywood. Am i right or am i wrong?
>>711974255
Restate the question then.
>>711969723
Everyone's vote does count. Just not in the way that YOU want them to count.
60 million trump
61 million hillary
Trumps clearly unfit unhinged etc etc.
So trump is unhinged, his supporters are unhinged
You sure you would rather deal with 60mmillion unhinged sociopaths over 1?
>>711974483
I am a psychologist and can tell Trump is a sociopath from watching him at the debates and reading about his ways of "negotiating"
>>711967277
I really can wait when Electoral College will check all the signatures and will find a "Benedicto Humpendick" with a comment: "Cry some moar you cucks"... and thousand of other similliar ones.
>>711974687
so no actual people voted for him? is that what you are getting at?
somehow a lunatic that NOBODY wants has managed to win an election?
or is he just a lunatic in the eyes of the people who lost a fair election?
>>711974551
Nope so far Hilary is still winning the popular vote. The only thing that won it for trump is the bullshit EC system which doesn't recognize what the actual people want.
>>711974760
why does which state you live in matter to who you vote for?
>>711974826
>I am a psychologist
Post your degree with a time stamp.
So if you want to not sound like a total douche, change it for neext election and be a man this one. The 60 mil did it the last 8 years
>>711974551
you missed the part about the EC's OTHER ROLE, to protect the union from the window lickers that vote for a sociopath, whether they approve of him or not
>>711974923
I never said people didn't vote for him. Plenty did. But the number of people voting isn't representative of who becomes President. Hence the importance of distinguishing the two.
She conceded, hes currently running unopposed. You faggots dont even know how this works.
>>711974957
why didnt you petition for it to be changed before the election then?
lets be honest here, if hillary had won, you wouldnt be making a fuss about the electoral college, people seemed more or less fine with it right up until after trump won.
>>711974826
Then whats hillary? You think someone as delusional as her isnt?
>>711974687
that has not been established YET
>>711974804
No the don't. People in tiny states have literally 5+ times the voting power of CA or NY.
>>711974957
We have the electoral college for a reason; the popular vote is easy to rig.
>>711974819
>You sure you would rather deal with 60million unhinged sociopaths
>implying Trump supporters didn't expect to lose already
>implying all violence was instigated by the left
>implying Trump supporters ever chimped out on the scale liberals have
dummy
>>711967277
No joke. It honestly seems like someone is trying to force a civil war. It could work too. Instead of just being big boys and girls and touching out 4 years we're going to kill each other in the streets. Good job liberals. Such progession
>>711974976
So what you asking for is to convene a new constitutional congress and start over as a single federal state? All in the hope that this in fact will insure the candidate you vote for is elected?
Trump won. Get over it.
>>711975088
well like people have stated before, candidates knew the rules before going into the election.
they contested it all within those rules, and one candidate won.
now the losers want to change the system all of a sudden.
>>711975178
Only if you're a bunch of retards, hmm it's the US we are talking about so that's quite likely. Other western democracies have no problem with it. Why can't the US figure it out?
>>711967277
I love watching this whole drama with the left now having their little world vaporize.
>>711974826
Nice bait faggot.
>>711975303
I'm not gay, but i wish i was a girl so i could kiss you.
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>>711974826
SHUT THE FUCK UP MOTHER OF GOD
TRUMP WON THE GODDAMN ELECTORAL VOTE
HE WINS
THAT'S JUST HOW THIS WORKS
I DON'T LIKE THE EC
BUT THAT'S HOW IT FUCKIN' WORKS
IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT, FUCK OFF TO CANADA
Holy fuck am I sick of people crying about this.
>uhuhuhh trump didn't win
>uhuhuhuh sign my faggot paper
>uhuhuh the EC doesn't have to vote for him
Bullshit. If they don't, that's a perversion of how our electoral system works, and the Trump supporters that got cheated out of their candidate that WON will be rightfully pissed off. Like someone said earlier, that's how you start a fucking Civil War.
>>711975349
This isn't the first time the ECs have come under fire for this. Granted it's the first time in a while, sure. And although a lot of people are arguing for it as a consequence of Hillary losing, that doesn't make the argument itself any less correct/wrong. Even hypocrites can make sound arguments.
>>711975290
no, im asking a question, not making a proposal. where did you get any of that shit from.
i just want to know why the state you live in is important to who you think should lead your country.
>>711974819
I am dealing with 60 million trumpanzees right now, but if we get rid of the trump menace then the military takes orders from a real president, the trumpettes will slink back into the swamp muc they arose from when faced with the might of the US military, the fucktards should still remember the ass kicking we gave them in the 1st civil war enough to not try and pull their bullshit again
>>711975578
This is the worst mentality yet. I think we're all fully aware that Trump won the election. Pointing out the obvious isn't productive behavior at this point. As was just said, it's a flawed system. I don't think it would be good to double-back and vote in Hillary at this point, but ideally the EC system would be abolished/changed such that, come next election, we don't have the same problem.
Bad Idea this one, so politicians can dump trillions of dollars into a few big citys ignoring the rest of the country to buy votes. The EC makes sure that politics around the country work for the whole country not just a few major cities.
>>711974957
So no one wanted Trump?
>>711975152
Yes to give them a chance to be heard
>>711974826
Real psychologist here. Trump is social engineer and knows a lot of persuasive cues. Trump knows how to talk with artificial meaning and he knows how to market himself like a pro. I voted for Trump and all but i find his manipulation skills something to be both feared and respected.
>>711975651
Who do you think the average enlisted soldier voted for? Do you honestly believe american soldiers are going to march into their hometowns and murder their friends and families to support the president they didn't vote for that was put into office illegally after the one that they did vote for was removed from that position?
>>711975762
isnt this basically how it works now with a few particular swing states though?
She conceded. The only way the EC can do that , is if she stuck it out. Please read the law. Huffington post is a clickbate new source.
>>711975791
Of course they did. But the majority didn't. How is that so hard to understand?
>>711975651
Oh nice we are name calling now
>>711975498
you can kiss him anyway, that hat says I AM A FAGGOT AND LOVE COCK
>>711975605
I am just explaining how it is, not how I feel. I live in one of the highest populated area of Cali (SF bay) so I'd personally benefit from a pure democracy vote.
The UNITED STATES was formed as a republic of state governments. There was a lot of effort put into that union to make sure the smaller states (which at the time were self governing) did not lose too much power. The constitution reflects all of this and it how we ended up with the electoral college.
Whilst you're at it "fixing the system". you could also undo all the gerrymandering the GOP did in 2010-2012 to insure they would have the best advantage in the House they could possibly get.
>>711975828
Too bad for them. Why should what they want be more important then what others want? All you idiots keep saying CA and NY would decide the elections but the fact is no they wouldn't. If everyone else voted for the other candidate they would win by a landslide.
>>711973609
I don't know why, but I just fapped to this image, and it felt
So
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Good
Also checkem
>>711975578
TRUMP WON THE GODDAMN ELECTORAL VOTE
news for you douchenozzle, the EC has not voted yet
>>711975754
>I think we're all fully aware that Trump won
Sadly, no
There's still a shitload of people whining about how he didn't win. Even some in this thread.
I agree that the EC should done away with, but that clearly just can't happen this time; it's too late for that now.
People are gonna have to deal with Trump and push for change later.
Throwing fits about how he didn't win isn't going to help anyone.
Please, please, please, dedicate more time to this. Spend more time protesting in the blue areas. Block major roads, etc. You'll make Trump a shoe-in for 2020.
>>711973609
Says the dumbdumb who doesn't understand the concept of sovereignty.
Hey fuckface china has the most people in the world ya dingus
Stop pretending like you know more than everyone and take 4 fingers up your bum.
>>711976035
So we ignoring the rampent voter fraud on hillarys side now? Also the military votes get thrown out if they dont change the state ec. They vote 80% rep usually. But tehy are not counted so....
>>711976285
I don't mean literally everyone in the States, you're right in that regard. I meant "everyone" as everyone in this thread.
>>711975839
any jack off with a big wallet can manipulate, there is no skill in buying your way thru life on daddys dime
>>711976256
And when they do, the will of the public should be reflected fairly and they should elect trump.
Like I said, if they don't, they're stabbing the voters in the fucking back.
>>711969665
>>711967277
>>711976576
two words George Soros
>>711975962
the average enlisted soldier is concerned with following orders, they will do what they are fucking told to do or be court marshaled or shot on sight
>>711976367
Then the same still applies. I was using more extreme examples to get the point across easier. I'd even argue that's a worst Also it applies to sovereignty as well, what the heck did you expect?
>>711976576
If that was the case Hillary would've won with all her celeberity endorsements, in fact she was a lot closer to winning then people give her credit for. Its hard to explain Trumps manipulation / marketing skills to someone who doesn't know what to look for. All i can really say is everything you HATE about Trump most likely was planted into your head by media / Hillary. Most things people like about Trump is done on purpose.
>>711976385
Show me some evidence of the voter fraud?
And the simple fact is if it's true it shows how stupid Americans are. In other democratic countries you register to vote once you're of age and when you go to vote you get your name marked off making voter fraud basically impossible.
>>711967277
People get to vote who their state goes to, because the Federal Government is ONLY there for the states, not the people.
The only business the Federal Government has with ordinary citizens are in the Enumerated Powers.
The Federal Government is an AGENT for the states and NOT that states citizens.
So, fuck off. She lost fair and square. Actually, she lost hard because she surrounded herself with idiots and low-quality people.
>>711976807
>the average american soldier would murder american civilians in cold blood because the president told them too
>everyone will just be fine with that
>they suddenly lose humanity when they put on some fatigues
does it hurt to be this retarded?
>>711976589
How do you figure that. Hilary is winning the popular vote so using your own logic, and common sense, if hilary isn't president they are stabbing voters in the back.
>>711970074
It's fucked up but that is the way it is, the president and politicians should already know about farming. If they fuck up the farming system, hopefully there is some kind of feedback system so where we can say, well we fucked in this area, let's not do that shit again. Like outlawing alcohol, abortion, when they had it's negative effects.
>>711976807
as a former enlisted military I call absolute bullshit on this. Hell, they even have classes to teach the difference between a lawful and unlawful order during UCMJ training.
>>711976889
https://youtu.be/7R_aT6ucGNQ
>>711977013
arent like 1 in 1 americans school shooters these days anyway?
>>711977120
I said proof. Not a YouTube clip.
>>711967277
>>711977054
The electoral college is implemented to combat the fact that a fuckton of the US population lives in concentrated areas that will almost always, without fail, vote democrat.
So as long as the city hoodrats and california fagmos get their way, who cares if the rest of the states have their say?
And this is also ignoring any voter fraud that Hillary almost definitely participated in.
>>711977313
The current president telling a large demographic of illegals to go vote, we will turn a blind eye. This an attempt to get his party to lead the elections is not proof to you?
>Thinking something so stupid would ever happen
>Willing to risk the destruction of the democratic system and civil war over Hillary Clinton
>Not respecting the peaceful transition of power
>Being that treasonous
>>711975578
Calm down micropenis boy.
youtube.com/watch?v=Zaqvc-0XDMM
>>711975651
Pence is a closet homo, unfit to be president.
>>711976589
Bullshit, more people voted for Hillary. I'm not saying let's change the rule and then go back. I want to change the rules for the future and move on from here.
>>711975839
He manipulated the average idiot, which is a good section of Americans. He probably manipulated you as well, he's conning like a quarter of america. At least Bush can die happy, knowing he wasn't the worse president of the last 2 centuries.
>>711975582
Yeah, we can't make this about Hillary and Trump and who should be president, because we knew how the system ran in the first place. So change it before it become an issue again.
>>711967277
"The process of election affords a moral certainty, that the office of President will never fall to the lot of any man who is not in an eminent degree endowed with the requisite qualifications. Talents for low intrigue, and the little arts of popularity, may alone suffice to elevate a man to the first honors in a single State; but it will require other talents, and a different kind of merit, to establish him in the esteem and confidence of the whole Union, or of so considerable a portion of it as would be necessary to make him a successful candidate for the distinguished office of President of the United States."
"Though we cannot acquiesce in the political heresy of the poet who says: "For forms of government let fools contest That which is best administered is best," yet we may safely pronounce, that the true test of a good government is its aptitude and tendency to produce a good administration."
The electoral college was developed specifically by the founding fathers so that neither metropolitan states nor the rise of those who are not qualified to lead would ever hold the presidency.
>>711977698
i watched that clip, must have missed the bit you are referring to.
>>711968242
>let commiefornia and jew-york decide the future of the US
Because it is a bad thing
youtube.com/watch?v=IhozQEv18Ig
>>711975839
Psychologists are faggots who flunked med school and couldn't become psychiatrists.
If Trump doesn't win the electorate vote there will most likely be widespread killings of liberal Cuck
I wouldn't be surprised if a civil war broke out.
BTW Republicans would win in a landslide and the US would be cleansed for a great deal of time
So bring it on.
I call it acceptable losses
>>711967847
This
>>711977946
>He manipulated the average idiot, which is a good section of Americans
you mean 80% of all people on the planet?
>>711977980
Then your clearly a brain dead child who can not comprehend an agenda without it being spelled out for you.
>>711977963
to me this reads as "if someone manages to get themselves elected, they probably deserve it"
>>711968242
It would cause a complete balkanization within months....
Of course if california were a separate country, I'd love it. Imagine being able to nip over the boarder, shoot some lefties and then pop back to freedom land.
It'd be come a sport.
>>711968242
two highest crime rate, highest corruption rate, highest state welfare use rates, highest consumption of federal welfare rate places in the country determining how the entire rest of the country should be - yes, this is a bad thing.
>>711978159
>tfw dropped out of high school
fuck you >:*(
>>711977279
Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?
>>711977946
>everyone's an idiot but me
Maybe you're not saying we should swap to Hillary, but a fuck ton of people aren't willing to let it go.
If you want to advocate getting rid of the EC, fine, more power to you.
But the kind of people that are bitching about this and want to flip over to Hillary at the last second are the kind I'm referring to. That's the The Huffington Post appears to be doing.
>>711978232
Trump won't lose the electoral vote, the republicans hand select those representatives.
More importantly, someone please make that SMG!
>>711978345
or you are a conspiracy nut.
how do illegals register to vote btw?
>>711978483
Can you really be far even as decided half as much to use go wish for that? My guess is that when one really been far even as decided once to use even go want, it is then that he has really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like. It's just common sense.
>>711977946
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaa >libcucks actually believe this
KEEP CRYING BITCH NIGGAA
>>711973609
In my experience big city populations are 100% retards.
Pants on head retarded.
Great, petition the College! Awesome Idea! I say go for it, the more you ruin the Democratic party the better!
>>711978347
Do you need someone to read it to you?
>>711978733
Agreed.
>>711978620
Illagals use ur ss# to register out of state then vote for libtrad democrts.
>Let's biuld the wall!!!1!!
>>711967277
I created a counter petition. Fuck you sore losers.
https://wh.gov/ieQm8
>>711978760
no i read it just fine.
its talking about the process of election itself weeding out those who are unsuitable.
someone with a bit of popularity might win over a single state, but you have to be a pretty special guy to convince the whole union.
its saying if you manage to convince enough people across the entire country to vote you in, you are afforded a moral certainty to be the right guy for the job.
>>711978347
The you did not understand the following
>Talents for low intrigue, and the little arts of popularity, may alone suffice to elevate a man to the first honors in a single State
>but it will require other talents, and a different kind of merit, to establish him in the esteem and confidence of the whole Union, or of so considerable a portion of it as would be necessary to make him a successful candidate for the distinguished office of President of the United States.
Trump does not have the confidence of the entire Union. Besides, this is for the electoral college to decide, that is their purpose, they must weigh both the qualifications of the person who won their state and the needs of the Union as a whole. As such, a moderate republican would likely have greater confidence of the Union than Donald J. Trump a man who oozes Hamilton's words "Talents for low intrigue, and the little arts of popularity..."
Winning means nothing if you impressed a punch of people who know nothing about true governance. Our president should reflect our best, not our worst. I will defend the constitution to my dying breath, especially the clause about our electoral college and its finest purpose.
Trump is a master level troll - forget about the corrupt Democrats and Republicans, they're all swimming in the same shit broth. Trump has humiliated them and the media.
>>711979015
Kek
Signed
>>711978232
You guys go to civil war and you don't respect the constitution.
>>711979057
>someone with a bit of popularity might win over a single state, but you have to be a pretty special guy to convince the whole union.
All it takes to win over a large group of retards is just a big retard.
>>711979304
because the second amendment was meant for hunting, right?
>>711978232
>>711978756
>>711978663
>>711977963
Sign the counter petition
>>711979015
>>711979145
which way are you trying to argue here? that only the popular vote matters?
trump is winning BECAUSE of the way the electoral college works.
>>711979509
signed as Nwerd Jim
>>711979437
No. The second amendment was meant to protect the first amendment.
>>711978485
No I'm an idiot, just in different areas and I should know a lot more about politics than I know now and I should be even more involved if I actually care or just say fuck it all like most Americans.
But yeah people should let it go, Hillary was a terrible candidate and didn't inspire the people. DNC should just look to the future and get back in touch with the people.
>>711978733
r Not true, i'd say big city populations are only 60%ish retarded while the rest are more a mid / higher quality of people. After all that's where the entrepreneur and education is. I dont think big cities should vote exclusively but still they're not all retards. Half of them are tho.
>>711979409
this applies to literally every president then.
>>711969474
Funny how the constitution says the electoral college CAN ABSOLUTELY VOTE HOW IT FUCKING WANTS YOU FUCKING RETARD.
>>711979756
citation needed
>>711977963
>The electoral college was developed specifically by the founding fathers so that the rise of those who are not qualified to lead would ever hold the presidency
EXACTLY why the EC needs to do its fucking job and get rid of TRUMP
>>711968016
You Sir Anon are a God amongst men!
>>711979437
And my free voice voted for Trump and Trump Won SO TRUMP WILL WIN
Even if I have to kill you for it
>>711968016
Dawww your denial is adorable.
>>711979756
funny how OVER 99%OF VOTES FOR THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE HONORED THEIR STATES' DECISION
>>711979993
And? You want a gold star now?
>>711979643
I've lived in the new york area.
It's well over 60%.
>>711979938
>and my free voice couldn't get out of bed in time to vote, so when my fucking awful candidate didn't pull through I took to destroying shit and attacking innocent bystanders
>>711968459
LANDSLIDE
Keep crying libcucks
>>711979993
>>711968933
lol you're so fucking stupid. You're gonna be the idiot sitting there watching Trump get inaugurated on TV and you'll still swear Hillary could make a come back.
She lost
You lost
Get over it pussy.
>>711980096
I'm not Shillary Clinton
>>711979437
Its mean for defense against tyranny. I don't cherry pick my constitution and you shouldn't either.
>>711979544
im arguing the following “We are following the process as designed,” Micheal Baca told me in a telephone interview. “The people vote, but that’s obviously not the end of it. If it were, Hillary Clinton, the popular vote winner, would be president, end of story. Instead, the vote triggers this second phase, the Electoral College, where electors representing their states and parties, deliberate — and that’s the important word. They deliberate, and then they choose a president.”
Baca was quick to underscore that this has rarely been an issue as electors have come together and have almost always ratified the popular vote. But he emphasized that this year’s election offered two candidates who left the nation torn apart, with many raising questions about the fitness and suitability of the one who got the majority of the Electoral College votes, while losing the general election. "
Point is, fuck the popular vote because I do not believe in the tyranny of large populated areas over smaller states in the union. I also do not support someone who can't even get his transition team together and who was a populist without substance running our country. I believe in the founding fathers. I am a liberal but I would rather have a moderate republican in office than Donald J. Trump. Both sides are being children, let the founding fathers and their guidelines lead us to behave like adults. Fuck Hillary and Donald.
>>711968016
Faithless electors are extremely rare, and a lot of the states he won have state level laws against the act. Plus the Republicans just got gifted a fullyRepublican majority across the legislative, judicial, and executive branches, there is no way they are going to try and be cowboys about this. They are in the best position ever.
He is your future president, whether you accept it now or later doesn't really matter. The wall is being built, Obamacare is getting repealed, Russia and England are going to help us crush the EU.
All you youngfags that can't remember that the 2008 election was exactly like this one minus the riots and violent protests.
These threads are hilarious because you guys actually think any of this shit matters.
Why is this still a discussion?
She fucking conceded.
Google the word "concede" you stupid niggers.
>>711975246
Blame Soros. He's the niggerjew funding the protesters and fueling the hatred.
>>711975754
>same problem
What? That it worked exactly how it was supposed to? How that regardless of the fact that the votes that put her over come from states she already won so the electoral college was unscathed? Our system of electing the president is fine like it is. Californians have no business dictating what happens in the rest of the country the same way we have no business dictating what happens in California. The states decided. California didn't win. Boo fucking hoo
>>711979854
12th Amendment
The Electors shall meet in their respective states, and vote by ballot for President and Vice-President, one of whom, at least, shall not be an inhabitant of the same state with themselves; they shall name in their ballots the person voted for as President, and in distinct ballots the person voted for as Vice-President, and they shall make distinct lists of all persons voted for as President, and all persons voted for as Vice-President and of the number of votes for each, which lists they shall sign and certify, and transmit sealed to the seat of the government of the United States, directed to the President of the Senate.
The President of the Senate shall, in the presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the certificates and the votes shall then be counted.
The person having the greatest Number of votes for President, shall be the President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of Electors appointed; and if no person have such majority, then from the persons having the highest numbers not exceeding three on the list of those voted for as President, the House of Representatives shall choose immediately, by ballot, the President. But in choosing the President, the votes shall be taken by states, the representation from each state having one vote; a quorum for this purpose shall consist of a member or members from two-thirds of the states, and a majority of all the states shall be necessary to a choice. And if the House of Representatives shall not choose a President whenever the right of choice shall devolve upon them, before the fourth day of March next following, then the Vice-President shall act as President, as in the case of the death or other constitutional disability of the President.[Note 1]
The person having the greatest number of votes as Vice-President, shall be the Vice-President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of Electors appointed, {1}
I'm more interested to see how Trump is going to work with a GOP Congress that can only just barely tolerate him.
>>711980097
Maybe, i could only speak for myself since i'm a spic in LA so that's what my filter is. A lot of smart people lack life experience as i said. After all 33% of CA did vote for Trump. I know for a fact that if you just took most cafe shop hipsters to Compton for a week their world views would be shaken. But being in NYC kinda get that there is a lot of hostile trash.
>>711979854
The person having the greatest number of votes as Vice-President, shall be the Vice-President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of Electors appointed, and if no person have a majority, then from the two highest numbers on the list, the Senate shall choose the Vice-President; a quorum for the purpose shall consist of two-thirds of the whole number of Senators, and a majority of the whole number shall be necessary to a choice. But no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States {2}
>>711971672
the rhetoric is
>trumpers aren't racist, it's everyone else that's racist against whites.
the truth is
>trumpers arent racist, it's everyone else that's racist against whites for trying to stay in control at all costs.
go fuck yourself nigger, whenever daddy finally pulls out that is.
>>711979854
As it originally appeared in the the Constitution.
The Electors shall meet in their respective States, and vote by Ballot for two Persons, of whom one at least shall not be an Inhabitant of the same State with themselves. And they shall make a List of all the Persons voted for, and of the Number of Votes for each; which List they shall sign and certify, and transmit sealed to the Seat of the Government of the United States, directed to the President of the Senate. The President of the Senate shall, in the Presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the Certificates, and the Votes shall then be counted. The Person having the greatest Number of Votes shall be the President, if such Number be a Majority of the whole Number of Electors appointed; and if there be more than one who have such Majority, and have an equal Number of Votes, then the House of Representatives shall immediately chuse [sic] by Ballot one of them for President; and if no Person have a Majority, then from the five highest on the List the said House shall in like Manner chuse [sic] the President. But in chusing [sic] the President, the Votes shall be taken by States, the Representation from each State having one Vote; A quorum for this Purpose shall consist of a Member or Members from two thirds of the States, and a Majority of all the States shall be necessary to a Choice. In every Case, after the Choice of the President, the Person having the greatest Number of Votes of the Electors shall be the Vice President. But if there should remain two or more who have equal Votes, the Senate shall chuse [sic] from them by Ballot the Vice President.
>>711975578
>trumper btfo, the post
cry, brotherfucker, cry
Now that we've elected the warmonger instead of Hilldawg, DEFCON has gone from 3 all the way up to 5!!!1
>>711979304
Sorry but the constitution is exactly why trump will be president. And we respect that paper more than the paper you faggots keep parading around to shit all over the constitution
>>711967277
Hey Retards!!!
Good now STFU, get another gawdy tattoo and keep growing your lumbersexfag beards.
Hillary Clinton conceded from the race, effectively dropping out. Trump is, and will be president regardless. Unless there is some near impossible decision from Congress.
>>711980458
You know whats even better though? If the electoral college, decides they don't want Trump and the vote is thrown to the republican controlled house, allowing them to vote in someone they can control, someone who isn't going to push agendas they may have to fight.
>>711981180
I hope you're trolling, fagtard. 3 is worse than 5.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DEFCON
>>711980523
You don't know how to read do you? Its okay, text to speech tech is open source these days.
>>711981550
>>711980678
Nothing in there says they cannot vote as they like and give the presidency to someone more qualified but republican.
>>711981738
Ah fuck you. Or fuck me. Lol.
>>711981550
>>711981180
Rekt blind Facebook follower
>>711980246
you stupid cuck, I don't want HRC to win I want the ec to take away trumps apparent win and award the votes to someone like RAND PAUL who will force the congress to choose the president with each state getting 1 vote cause NONE of the candidates have 270 EC votes
>>711981738
The level of faggotry had me triggered enough to to see the troll. Tip' o the fedora to you good man.
hey Hillary supporters,
If the electoral college is bullshit to you, why did you not protest it until after you lost?
>>711981766
That's essentially it. They can vote for whoever they please. But it won't be Hillary. As the majority of elected electors are in fact republican.
>>711981766
except it won't fucking happen. because the trumptards have the NRA, militias, and fucking guns. Do you want to start Civil war? because they're fucking prepared for civil war. They've been prepping for a tyrannical government or civil war for ages, and their trigger fingers are itchy as fuck.
>>711975578
Its not perversion of our system, that's the fucking point of the system. To ensure the best person is our President, someone who unites our country. Don't act like you guys on the right wouldn't be doing the same in say Sander's had won, and you guys were appealing to moderate democrats to not give our country to a communist. The electoral college is not federally bound by the popular vote of their state.
>>711969272
we dont have a democracy, we have a democratic republic faggot. and we have it for a reason
you cry baby libs are fucking pathetic.
>>711975578
Start a civil war and you clearly don't respect the power of the electoral college as established by the constitution of the United States of America.
>>711976024
The article isn't about Hillary winning via the EC.
>>711978352
Fuck dude I live in California, and liberals really do want to secede because Trump was elected.
>>711982192
Not him but we wouldn't. In the same situation with sanders instead of trump the majority of elected electors would be democrat. There's fuck all we could do at that point. Y'all seem to think there's only 538 electors at all. That's not the case. In this case the majority are republican. Petition all you want but hilldawgs out. All the way. Best case scenario for you is to leave trump. Because the next best thing is pence. Or worse.
>>711970225
>>711970225
everyones word is not fucking equal faggot, we have 50 different states that span a geography of over 3,000 miles. there are very different people all over america, and it would be very undemocratic for a minority of faggots in 2 states on either coast to dictate what the entire nation does
>>711981972
Your first mistake was assuming that everyone who doesn't want Trump are Hillary supporters.
If you didn't know there was no way he would be allowed to take office, then the joke is on you.
>>711983049
Not him but it's happening. Deal with it.
gotta love these retarded libs who blame everyone except their own cucked party who cheated democracy, ignored their constituents, and forced an unelectable criminal down their throat as the flag bearing candidate
but yeah, what do you expect from a modern society where everyone gets a trophy no matter what place they finish. coddled fucking libtrash
>>711982032
I salivate for the opportunity to shoot at reich-wingers.
Win win for me I suppose
>>711983158
>>711982032
then where were these faggots when OBAMAS tyrannical government was raping the native americans, stealing their land and shoving a pipeline thru their burial grounds? those good freedom lovers needed their support but they were too busy open carrying to olive garden to protect their right to endless breadsticks
>>711982481
the union would collapse if Ca. left
>>711982495
I think all of you did not even read the article. Those faithless electors wont being giving the presidency to Hillary (fuck her) it will giving it someone who can actually run the country. Meaning this will lead to a vote in the House, which will mean they will decide on a president who truly represents the union, such as some other moderate republican.
That is what I and other intelligent people want, we want the electoral college to get off its ass and do its actual job, not be a symbolic vote that leads to deeper division of our Union. That is the real reason we have an Electoral College, so neither the populist tyranny of large states nor an unqualified person be the president. Our system must maintain the Union for all, fuck Barbara Boxer, fuck the popular vote, we need whats good for the nation.
>>711983210
Good luck with that. We train. We've waited for the day you pull arms against us. When it comes you will go to your safe and get your gun and then go to your safe and get your mags and ammo and we will have been carrying this whole time and already be at your door. Don't worry. We will give you time to load and engage. Wouldn't be fair if we didn't.
Naw, Trump is doing a fucking great job trolling the illegals, beaners, and niggers so far. Who cares if he starts a nuclear war? Everything's shit, anyway.
>>711983263
Native Americans just need to get the fuck over themselves and stay on the reservations. What happens off land the federal government set aside for them is inconsequential.
>>711976855
You serious bro?
Is this like just my opinion bro?
>>711983649
the land in question/protest IS THEIR FUCKING LAND
>>711967277
You guys are still on this trump shit...holy fuck that's pathetic!
