What would you think if you saw someone wearing a hammer & sickle shirt in public? Would it mean anything to you?
What glorious country do you live in where leftists in these shirts don't fill the streets already?
>>711885549
Freedom of expression, I don't mind as long as said person doesn't try to spread communist bs to me via conversation then I'll use my freedom of speech right to tell them to fuck off
>>711885549
Probably wouldn't even notice it. I might even think it's a reference to call of duty 4 at first glance
Under Trump, that would mean brotherly love
>>711885549
Wrinkle my face as the smell of the unwashed slightly overweight and unkempt person walks by me.
>>711885549
Hopefully it's her
>>711885775
>persecuted whitey
>>711885977
>uneducated fundamentalist
>>711886972
>desperately searching for an even more pathetic failure to look down on
>>711885549
How fucking hypocritcal they look by contributing to capitalism to purchase that fucking stupid shit what would che think
>>711885549
I would know they voted for the Democrats and think they were a pure POS
>>711885549
Id say
"ya go for it son... just give me your iphone and facebook account before you go full retard"
>>711887530
I would want to cum in her face.
>>711887530
>original
I'd laugh and ask them how much they paid for it.
Anyone recommend any good books on communism/socialism? A novel might be nice
I saw this obese neckbeard marching through snow while using his MacBook, with an air card, wearing the Russian hat with the hammer and sickle on it.
>>711888015
The weird part is that that guy kinda looks like me
>>711887097
I would let her commie ass perestroika me until I glasnost on her face
>>711885549
Would think this person belongs to the communist master race.
>>711888450
Not surprising
>>711885549
>>711888759
>doesn't realize that fearing "the evil Jew" is part of his capitalist slave race programming
If the Jewish conspiracy was real, the ruling class would prevent you from believing in it.
>2000+4+4+4+4
>supporting an ideology that killed hundreds of millions
Edgy
>>711888996
>implying im serious
I'm a commie too, anon. Aren't that many of us in the good old USA
>>711889158
>"socialism"
>instantly, programmed response
How interesting
>>711889239
>Aren't that many of us in the good old USA
There will probably be a whole lot more once the white supremacists inevitably fuck up this Trump thing in a major way.
>>711889274
>>711889394
*bell rings*
>>711889239
too many
communism has killed more people than Hitler you fag
>>711889784
And capitalism has killed more than communism
>>711890008
Yeah, but capitalism says that the exploited poor don't count as people. Checkmate, book-readers
>>711890008
Where did you learn that, cuckbook?
Explain, pls. Capitalism allows people to have their own food, not gov't allocated food supplies
>>711885549
yeah Trump supporter
>>711890218
>Capitalism allows people to have their own food, not gov't allocated food supplies
>>711890290
fag
What did you want the government to pay for your college (since you couldn't earn a full ride based on merit alone)? Do you miss your Clinton-Podesta pedophile ring? Miss Rapin' Bill and Lyin' Hillary?
Grow some brain cells or KYS
>>711890218
You saying that proves the government is fucking with your food. Hate to say it, but you haven't eaten "organic" in your entire life.
>>711888143
If you're into classical music, look up Lenigrad: Siege and Symphony.
I've also heard Ten Days That Shook The World is pretty good.
>>711890008
[citation needed]
>>711890492
>fag
everyone else here graduated high school already
>>711890663
>implying you'd actually read a book
>>711890580
Organic is bullshit anyway. STFU
>>711885549
Communists are the worst
edgy militant leftists are worst the na-socs
They violate the NAP more than anyone and still think there ethical
>>711889158
https://youtube.com/watch?v=kOnIp69r6vg
>>711890725
But anyone could write a book, I could write a book that says you're a cuck, am I right or am I wrong?
>>711890710
Disgusting.
>>711890730
Keep eating "[your] own food"
>>711890786
What if it's in support of socialism?
>>711885549
>>711890218
More people starve to support capitalism than ever did under communism, they just die in the countries you import resources from so you don't see them
>>711890803
Please self-publish this book so I can make fun of you in a lengthy Amazon review
>>711885549
What would you think if you saw someone with a swastika in public? Communism is entirely anti western civilization. fascism is not. think about that
i'd punch that commie/nazi in the face
>>711890725
Countries don't go to war over capitalism. Capitalism is free trade. If you're trading goods and services, you're not trading soldiers. Capitalism is a driver for peace because property rights must be respected under capitalism. You'd know that if you read any books on the subject.
>>711890290
Nigger, you're either a shill spreading disinformation or too fucking stupid and under the impression you're "educated." You realize that Bill and then Obama took their implementations for education reform straight from Pol Pot's strategies in Asia, right? Don't know who he is? Use google for once in your life to look up something other than gay porn and see how bad you've fucking played yourself by buying into Hillary's "But Trump's Putin's friend and stuff."
Eating right out of the hand of real communists and you're not even educated enough to realize it. Fucking sad tbh.
>>711890987
>If I saw someone wearing a shirt I'd punch them in the face with no provocation>>711890987
>>711890956
You tell 'em comrade!
>>711890928
Still bad
I don't get how anyone things forcibly making people pay takes and bigger government is ever ethical.
At a certain point you're just a utilitarian and then you don't care about ethics at all.
Look up the "Non aggression policy"
if you believe in that you cannot believe in big government
>>711888015
well those people didn't have a choice in product now did they? where as she can boycott apple products and use and android or pc to spread her message. she's supporting it by choice.
>>711890987
>Haha yeah! Freedom of speech! Unless you're anti-Me!
How fucking hypocritical that post was is beyond me
>>711891013
>Countries don't go to war over capitalism
>he said unironically
Just because Ayn Rand says something doesn't mean it's true, anon.
>inb4 i-i-it's not real capitalism
>>711891013
What. Countries don't go to war over capitalism? What about all the wars over oil? The imperialist subjugation of the world by Europe so they'd have access to resources for capitalist trade?
>>711890876
You're a fucking dumbass if you think there's anything wrong with food grown by conventional means. You're an even bigger dumbass if you think there's something anti-corporate or anti-establishment about "Organic" food as there are huge corporations behind the "Organic" industry. It's all a fucking money grab and you were stupid enough to buy into it.
>>711890956
Wrong again fucknut
>>711891225
why do fags throw out ayn rand like it means anything, she isn't a good example of free markets or ethical government
Communist countries are bad because they don't offer incentive for working hard and because big government impedes on natural rights.
cool edgy picture you fucking idiot
1917 their ass and take their money and stuff that they used money to buy redistribute it in the ghetto
and laugh because they thought they were the proletariat
>>711891321
How am I wrong? Please explain
>>711891177
>>711891321
>n-n-no
>stop attacking my mythological worldview
>>711891227
That's not capitalism. That's imperialism. The basis of capitalism is property rights. If a government has no regard for property rights, that's not capitalism.
>>711891251
You're autistic, I was saying that you literally have not eaten anything organic because it doesn't exist, moron.
What are GMOs?
>>711891177
Android and pc are still products produced in capitalism you tard>>711891224
>>711885549
It means they're a fucking dumbass who does not understand economics, or the nature of government.
>>711885549
>Would it mean anything to you?
Yes, it's mean "Please, kill me. I'm a commie faggot who thinks Stalin is the best person.
>>711891461
Capitalism invariably leads to imperialism. People following the single minded pursuit of profit eventually end up invading countries to get more resources since they burn through theirs so quickly
i would immediatly understand that they have read a fucking book and understand that communism is the only way to full automation and star trek tier society.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6P97r9Ci5Kg
i would hi five them and call them comrade if they were a boy, if they were a girl i'd literally marry her ass
>>711885549
They might be Russian.
>>711891615
What if it means "i'm a social democratic faggot who thinks Bernie is the best person"
Stalin doesn't own this symbol
>>711891251
I'm also one communist boi, organic food is a bunch of feel good liberal garbage. Its almost like corporations realized they could get people who should hate capitalism to take part in it if they gave themselves a "green" and "healthy" image. Its like they don't realize that if all food was grown organically, we could only feed 5 billion people. Organic food is actually capitalist excess, wasting resources on a luxury good only wealthy people, in a global sense, can afford.
>Tldr organics are liberal capitalist trash, GMO will save the world.
>>711887530
you are an idiot
>>711891730
Yes comrade anon gets it
>>711891628
You are a classic communist faggot.
girls dont care about politics fag
>>711891720
>Stalin doesn't own this symbol
STFU, Stalin is a pro-commie scum.
But, whatever. He DIED!
>>711891418
>>711890956
you serious nigga?
Communists
Do you agree that a non violent person should not have forced used against him?
>>711891054
>Implying real communists didn't stop pol pot
>>711891618
Next you'll be telling me that there is something called "time" that constantly moves forward and causes one thing to evolve into another based on cause and effect. Out of my eternal, shining city on the hill, you monster!
>>711891841
my girlfriend of like 5 years is a bernie faggot. also i know you are right, girls are too reactionary to be communists. being a communist in america takes such an insane amount of reading its not even funny, to truly fucking understand how capital is destroying itself and to understand what communism really is (not the propoganda cold-war bs definition of communism that americans believe) takes way too much fucking learning and brain power... i am truly shocked when i hear that someone is a fellow comrade
>>711885549
I've known communists before, they're pretentious wannabe-military assholes, but I can still tolerate their shit.
>>711891933
That's still not an argument. You're not presenting one because you know full well how shitty life is in the third world in order to prop up your lavish lifestyle and don't want to face it
>>711891510
for one, i wasn't argueing capitalism, and for two, android and pc products are barely made in china, where the shitty work conditions are
>>711890492
>Is an actual fascist
>Tells others to grow braincells
Anon you can ONLY pic one, silly goose.
>>711892055
So you're admitting that with time capitalism turns into imperialism, which was my whole point
>>711891933
fuckoff propoganda faggot shill. natural famines is completely different than MURDERING PEOPLE.
its why people who say stalin was worse than hitler are literally fucking insane, stalin didn't murder anyone while hitler did. stalins deaths were people he tried to save. (also immediatly after that famine the soviet union had no more famines even tho russia used to have famines like once every 20 years)
>>711891975
No, we should just let people who fail to obey the owners of capital starve to death on the street like civilized people. Duh.
>>711892095
No it's not. Communists at mostly 19-23 year old bernie bro fags.
The communist manifesto is under 50 pages.
If you're such a well read communist, please explain why you don't believe in the non aggression principle.
>>711892242
then by seizing the means of production and taxing and impeding natural rights you are using force against non violent people
>>711890290
Nigga I don't even know what your idiology is. Putin is too nationalist and restrictive on social issues to be a communist. And trump is an actual fascist ,the arch enemy of Communism.
>>711891975
No. There are situations in which force must be used on non violent people
>>711885549
Ask them how much they paid for advertising a failed political system and what the cost of freedom is
>>711890813
Smells like new in here
>>711890492
socialists/communists are not "GOVERNMENT DOES STUFF AND PEOPLE SHARE"
communism is literally just workers owning the means of production. it is a system where you are paid based on how HARD YOU WORK not what fucking family you are born into or how well you can export jobs to 3rd world nations to be done for pennies.
the only reason why so many americans hate communism is only because they have no idea what communism really is. capitalists have to literally use a scapegoat just to shit on communism because if americans understood what communism really was no one would want to stay or call themselves a capitalist, not even the rich
>>711892314
The communist manifesto is not the basis of communist theory. If you're interested read das kapital to start with
>>711891628
>read a fucking book
Try reading something besides science-fiction or Noam Chomsky you fucking mongoloid.
>>711892191
Well, yeah. Everyone knows that capitalism inevitably creates a ruling class of property owners who will stop at nothing to maintain their power and privilege. What do you think I am, an inbred, knuckle-dragging moron?
How do you fix the calculation problem?
>>711892360
communism is real freedom.
you are confusing communism with state capitalism, or you just genuinly have no idea what communism is besides cold-war propoganda
>>711892218
Not quite, Stalin did purge the soviet army of those he thought were dangerous, but that was less than a hundred thousand people.
>>711892497
>actually you read a book!
yeah i'm sure you've read hegel and marx and engels. i'm sure you know what communism is and why so many economists shill for socialism. its just welfare states right? fucking idiot
>>711892351
At least you admit it.
How do you not see that almost every single negative thing that happens, it's under the guise of "for the greater good".
No atrocity happens by mentally stable people because they want to do evil. It happens because of forceful ideologies.
How can anyone think communism is practical let alone ethical
>>711892490
Knew you weren't well read you fucking idiot when you can't even read what I put.
Didn't claim the communist manifesto is the basis of communist theory, I asked why you don't believe in the non aggression principle
>>711885549
I wouldn't think much of it... It's like the Che Guevara shirts or the 'mistake' by American Apparel to put the Challenger explosion on t-shirts thinking that they were clouds or fireworks (photo is relevant).
So, I can totally see a HS/College kid wearing the shirt with no idea what it actually represents.
>>711890786
Taxes = rape
>>711892547
>>711892515
These capitalist pigs never learn that they get fucked harder than anyone in this system because they go along with it and even defend it. Fucking retards they piss me off already. "If you can't convince a fascist acquaint his head with the pavement"
>>711892604
>non aggression principal
>knows more about communism than everyone combined
>>711892351
Yes there is. Just like when Liberal protesters against Trump blocked a woman that was pregnant in her car that was trying to get to the hospital. Or when they walk out into a freeway like BLM and cause traffic jams and accidents. When they do shit like this they should get run the fuck over.
Fellow communists there is literally no point in arguing about communism on the internet. No one actually wants to learn about it or have a real discussion, they just spout the capitalist propaganda they've been taught and mock you. These threads are useless because all you'll end up doing is defending yourself into 404
communism was responsible for taking a third world shithole country that lost a world war and making it a space faring super power. communism in china was also responsible for taking the most people out of poverty all at once in human history.
meanwhile the successes of capitalism are VIBRANT in latin america, africa, and india. somalia is a libertarian paradise.
>>711892666
Not rape faggot
It's still force.
If you don't pay home owners tax in the U.S, which a huge portion of goes to funding the military, you get thrown into jail for a non violent crime.
Stealing a plastic flamingo from you lawn isn't rape but it's still physical aggression. Like taxes
>>711892218
You're accounting is faulty.
Can you guess why?
>>711892736
Kulaks gonna kulak
>>711892656
This is entirely assuming they know what it represents
>>711892766
That's what i said, there are situations when violence must be used against non violent people
>>711892666
Don't Mess With Taxes
>>711892694
Did someone say FULLCOMMUNISM?
>>711892776
I've asked the same question to you fags 9x.
You're not having a discussion, you want an echo chamber to post shitty memes and call each other comrades.
>>711885549
I'm a Marxist but even think they're probably a cunt.
It's more likely a social statement to seem unique than anything else, like the lot of cunts that wear che shirts.
Real communists dont do that faggot shite, only edgelords.
>>711891615
Stalin did nothing wrong
>>711892604
See
>>711892766
Just because someone is not being violent does not mean violence is never justified against them. What if someone is stealing your property? Can you not stop them with force?
>>711892776
True but the more they hear it the more it'll sink into their tiny brains. We have to stand up for the rest of the proletariat because they are too dumb to realize it for themselves. The real key is but arguing with these clowns though but to organize!
>>711892776
comrade, i know... it hurts... its an ideology that takes way too much learning to understand to be able to argue with faggots on the internet about it. they literally just think it means everyone shares everything and the government runs everything and "theres no freedom".
oh well... at least we can take solace in knowing we are right and that communism is inevitable, it won't be called communism when it happens because people are fucking retarded but whatever.
here's to the inevitability of workers owning the means of production and full blown automated luxury star trek society...
>>711892539
>or you just genuinly have no idea what communism is besides cold-war propoganda
good sir, the image the thread was based on is the Stalinist/Soviet socialist state. Perhaps it is you that GENUINLY has no idea what you are talking about
good day, sir
good day.
Automation is reason enough to be a communist
https://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/4ky2bl/is_automation_a_libertarian_nightmare/
if you understand automation then you understand communism.
that they are a typical millenial cuck
>>711885549
Wouldn't really care. It's not like a shirt changes anything. Anybody that did care has his/her panties in a wad.
>>711892798
And what is funding the Chinese economy today?
>>711892766
Just like when those rednecks took over that nature preserve in Oregon with guns then got butt hurt that one got killed by police. Did those rednecks deserve it? Or does it make sense to do something extreme and unexpected to get attention? I suppose all protestors, right and left, should demonstrate from the security of their backyards. That's how you make change. amirite?
>>711892918
Oh, gosh. Well I do like to stick up for the unjustly persecuted people of the world. you know. Go ahead and ask us this question that I'm sure will dazzle us with an economic insight one normally finds only on the wittiest bumper stickers - you know, the ones that are sold next to confederate flags in a South Carolina truck stop.
>>711889158
didn't christianity and capitalism kill a hundred zillion billion trillion quadrillion people you fucking idiot.
>LIVING IN A COUNTRY WHERE MURDERS HAVE HAPPENED
this is how silly you sound
>>711887141
OH I GET IT YOU'RE EASILY OFFENDED AND THINK LITERALLY ANYTHING MATTERS
>>711893054
Yes very good comrade you are correct. The inevitability of it is helpful but I wonder if it will be in our lifetimes
Strangely economies without a free market system (neoliberalism), but with strong government control, tight regulations and high taxes for the rich had the largest growth rates: US 1936-1975, Japan and Germany after the war, and currently China. Don't forget heavy government investments in new technologies, especially in the defense sector. There would not be microchips, automation or the Internet without it today.
Heck without the New Deal (socialism) there would not even be a USA most likely.
Free market economy = monopoly capitalism, economic stagnation with poverty for the masses, and riches for the few, and lots of bubbles that necessitate government intervention by bought politicians.?
>>711892602
>Hegel
Opinion discarded.
>>711893303
>n-n-n-no you're offended
>>711893054
I'm not so sure it's inevitable. Humanity could be wiped out first in any of lots of ways
>>711893036
You don't get what non violent means you fucking liberal faggot
Non violent doesn't just mean there not hitting you. It means there within there own space, not causing any harm.
An example would be someone living on land they own, growing there own vegetables and not impeding on anyone else.
Theft is violent, standing on public property and not allowing people to move is violent.
I'm saying someone do zero harm to anyone.
The truth is leftists are the most unethical out of anyone. They want to force people into doing what they believe is the right thing. You shouldn't force anyone to do anything
In a perfect world, everyone would be self governered and you wouldn't need government.
The goal should be, to lower government and incetivize being ethical.
>>711893234
Shut up you dumb faggot
most rednecks know more about politics than you do, you just spew dumb liberal twitter meme shit
I asked, why would you believe in violating the non aggression principle and if you do believe in violating it, how is that ethical
>>711893054
>automated luxury star trek society
Can Batman be our founding father? The original, Adam West Batman of course.
>>711893460
Keep crying. Your voice isn't heard by anybody that matters. Nothing will change.
>>711893153
This is what they want you to think, nice fall
>>711892497
Communists understand YOU and economics much better than you think.
I wonder if these dumb fuck capitalists would benefit from studying some of the co-op businesses that already exist in America or the ones in northern Italy to sort of understand how the workers owning the means of production is food for them. It's a tangible example they can see with their own eyes and don't have to think about it too much.
>>711893482
What if their land is around the only oasis in a desert and they allow no passage to anyone to get to the oasis? In that case I believe it would be justified for a government to step in and forcefully boot them off the land
>tfw I'm only a communist because i enjoy burning cops
>>711890987
What do you even mean? Implying communism and Nazism are the same, but fascism is different than Nazism. You have such trashcans.
>>711893482
>Shut up you dumb faggot
>most rednecks know more about politics than you do, you just spew dumb liberal twitter meme shit
>MEGA TRIGGERED
>why would you believe in violating the non aggression principle
Oh, ok. I see the problem. The people you originally asked this question are still busy laughing at you. It could be a while because that question is so goddamn funny that they'll probably have to change out of their urine-soaked clothes before returning to their keyboards to make fun of you.
>ITT: pic related
>>711893163
scamming the united states out of labor and socialism?
china is still a communist country today.
>pic applies to "free" shit like education, food, shelter, etc.
>>711891398
You don't understand the nature of Communism as opposed to the shitty Stalinist legacy were left with.
>>711885549
its a shirt
that symbol is dead
free use rights
no more meaning except as art
fuck off
>>711893770
Fuck the constitution
That would tell me that they supported Hillary Clinton.
>>711893753
HA HA HA
Whenever white people lose, they assume someone must have been cheating.
>>711893482
Stupid, do you not know we seek the end of all states and governments? You need to read more about socialism and not just spew libertarian nonsense all day.
>>711893616
Please tell us about all the successful communist worker's paradise countries?
I'd like to know more.
Are you a descendant of Jim Jones by chance?
He had similar dreams you know.
>>711892604
Not the same guy, but the NAP is garbage. How about people/corporations that "non-aggressively" own all the land in an area or all of an essential resource? Is it okay for them to pay peanuts to people who need to work to survive?
>>711893138
>you mispelled a word drunkenly at 1:52 am!
not an argument you fucking reactionary moron.
at least learn about what it is you are criticizing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBcW_ylIN14
https://youtu.be/6P97r9Ci5Kg?t=163
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysZC0JOYYWw
>>711893904
More capitalist countries have failed and fallen apart than socialist ones, and the socialist ones have all had to deal with constant bourgeois attacks from the inside and outside
>>711893904
There aren't any Communist countries dipshit. There are only some that are further along than others.
>>711885549
Red faction!!
I just don't know what band its from
>>711893904
there have been no real communist countries
the left has failed. all it has achieved is state capitalism.
although socialism is going strong in a lot of european countries. there is a reason why living in sweden doesn't suck
>>711893719
You complain you can't have an actual argument.
I say all you want to do is post memes.
Then you do the classic liberal
>WHAT HAHAH U HAVE TO BE KIDDING ME WHAT R U SERIOUS WHAT
and then post a meme
Fucking fag
>>711893678
Ethical doesn't mean the most amount of good for people.
In fact the less ethical you are, your society might work better.
Society might work better if you kill billionaires and took there money but you the principal of your society should be to do no harm on non violent people.
Communisms end game isn't equality, it isn't civil rights. It's about progressing production and moving society a long.
It isn't ethical and it's not even practical which is the fucking most ironic part.
>>711893896
This is also dumb, don't force people into not being aloud to make systems.
This is why ancap>ancom
>>711893940
The real answer is the community wouldn't interact and then protest them.
Non violent ways
>>711894006
Sure, for the few richest countries, while in the rest there's barely any bread at all and they fight for scraps
>>711893753
>modern-day China
>Communist
>>711894074
North Korea is a dictatorship of Kim jong un you stupid clown. Communism is the dictatorship of the proletariat how do you not understand? Are you dumb or just retarded?!
>>711893896
I am pretty sure post-scarcity will hit us any moment now, anon.
Instead of focusing on bullshit politics, focus on tangible change that would actually makes us free by the sheer virtue of its existence.
Change like scientific research, technology and spreading non personal information and tutorials about the previous two points.
>>711893054
Ugh. The pic. So much stupidity, and it's disingenuous.
Everybody knows that socialism as a blanket concept is a terrible idea. But certain socialist principles held in place by a not-retarded government are fucking fantastic in an otherwise capitalist society. Prisons, healthcare, infrastructure, even the media, could benefit from some socialist ideals. Run your business and make kickass money while you do it, but the profit motive causes a lot of problems in a small few industries. Blindly saying that ALL SOCIALISM IS BAD is just stupid.
Reminder that in true capitalism there are no monopolies, capitalism has never been practiced.
>>711894006
great argument anon.
have fun trying to find a job today.
also too bad 90% of the planet is getting fucked so you can get your bread without having to work at all. learn how economies work before posting retarded scape goat shit.
literally move to india, africa, all of south america and tell me how great it is compared to ex 3rd world colonized countries like china/cuba where you don't die if you get sick because of an influx of doctors and workers actually doing their jobs
>>711892314
I'm a well read communist who discards the NAP because it disregards the right of those economically downtrodden by circumstances outside their control for the reward of those born into an advantage, and I understand the violent upset of this economic and social hegemony by mass seizure of property by the disadvantaged as a necessity.
>>711894225
Cute. So instead of it being a dictatorship lead by someone claiming to represent the proletariat, it's by the wrong guy claiming to represent the proletariat.
>>711893896
>we seek the end of all states and governments
so anarchy then?
>>711894345
>learn how economies work
Coming from a commie? Toppest of keks!
>>711894120
Well then that's aggression in your logic because I don't want your system either. Isn't that the same thing you are accusing us of? And if there's no state you can do whatever you want as long as you don't hurt anyone, your basic needs would be met and what you can contribute would be all that's asked of you
>>711893482
>standing = violence
>public property should not be used by the public.
>small government and good ethics means exercising violent and arbitrary authority, to take away freedom of speech.
You realize how stupid you sound right?
>>711894109
>there have been no real communist countries
So yours will be the one that works, amirite?
Naive douche. Get out into the real world more often.
>>711894350
So you believe in bullshit then? Rights are not a thing beyond what we believe them to be. Needs can be pretty much anything if you dont say what you are talking about exactly.
>>711894239
I hope you are right. I do think the technology we have is close to that too. But without the politics these things will not be allowed to happen there's no profit in post scarcity so believe the capitalists will oppose this at every turn
>>711894074
>state capitalism is communism
fuckoff. thats like me saying nazi germany is proof capitalism sucks. its an empty argument. ignore the successes of socialism. ignore the fact you don't have to spend money when your house burns down or that your kids can go to school for free and not be stabbed by niggers when you go outside.
literally everything you enjoy is because of socialism
>>711885549
I'd just assume they're an edgy tryhard faggot who likely owns a Guy Fawkes mask and keep walking
>>711894491
A 25 year difference map?
>>711892486
Dialectical.
>>711894569
>>711894569
>DEZ 3RD WORLD SHITHOLES ARE 3RD WORLD SHITHOLES
>LOOK AT DEZ IMPERIALIST COUNTRIES THAT ARE WELL OFF EVEN THOUGH THEY ROBBED ALL THEIR RESOURCES
>IGNORE THE FACT THAT COLONIZED SHITHOLES BECAME SUPER POWERS THANKS TO COMMUNISM
>IGNORE WHAT CAN BE ACHIEVED IF AN ACTUAL DEVELOPED NATION LIKE AMERICA BECAME COMMUNIST
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automation
you genuinly need to read more books
Ok, who taught all these rednecks how to use the magic typey computamador boxes? I blame you for this shit.
>>711894351
No it's the proletariat that governs, you moron.
>>711894351
Pol pot was in no way a communist
>>711892486
>>711892486
>>711892486
>>711892486
>>711892486
>>711892486
this
>>711894350
You just said a bunch of shit and you're still a fucking idiot.
Theres way to protest peacefully to get resources.
Theres a reason why you build up to this society, it wouldn't work right now but it would work in a couple of hundred years ifyou limited government.
>>711894493
There isn't a system.
Also thats not communism, communism is seizing the means of production
>>711894541
Standing in certain areas is a violent act
like if I stood in the white house
no idea where you got the public propert for
no idea where you got taking away freedom of speech you dumb red fag
good night you edge lord fags
girls dont care about your politics, you're less ethical than capitalists and che was a cunt
>>711885549
Would it mean anything to me? WOULD IT MEAN ANYTHING TO ME? I walked through shoulder high snow every single day when the sun of Stalin set because the democratic people's army needed the plows. I stood in line for a week for a single bean, you bourgeois cyka! Would it mean anything to me can you believe this guy? I was handed the proud labor to collect the farmer's shitbags. Everytime I see the leader's face... I smell those shitbags. Would it mean anything to me jesus christ
>>711894744
>ignore the successes of socialism
Like what? The Khmer Rouge? Do remember that the state doing something does not equal socialism.
>>711894883
>social democrat
>redneck
???
I think you should spend more time away from your "typey computamador box" & go outside... maybe have a look around.
Good lord. So much stupidity in this thread.
Look, some socialist principles are good in certain parts of society, and some are bad. Take health care, for example... if everyone contributes, everyone benefits. But the redistribution of wealth just for the sake of "keeping everyone equal" depresses economic growth by keeping everyone equally mediocre. Some people with forethought and vision need room to breathe.
>>711894892
...led by some egomaniac strongman who leads the purges. Like every time communism is tried.
>>711894744
Nice story. Too bad all that shit is funded by capitalism.
>>711894074
All hail the kims
>>711894948
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pol_Pot
Moron
>>711895170
Lmao private schools profit the crap out of cutting down quality.
>>711895112
>we need some socialism and some capitalism
But that's wrong, Bernie. Stop being such a liberal and learn about real socialism.
>>711895001
Communism is seizing the means of production, using technology to create abundance, the responsible management of the earths resources for all people of the world and the abolition of all states. It's not just us taking over companies you idiot
>>711895112
>Take health care, for example... if everyone contributes, everyone benefits.
Gotta disagree with you there. Look at the nightmare the health systems are in places like Canada or the UK.
>>711894351
The world will be free when all institutions including government, industry, and academia are democratically run by the working class. Cute meme tho
>>711895217
You really do not understand that comic at all.
>>711892486
This post wins my thread, thanks
>>711895027
are you a fucking idiot? do you not understand that america LITERALLY EXISTS TODAY BECAUSE OF SOCIALISM?
google the new deal.
also the fact you don't have to pay to call the cops or put out a fire, the fact the fucking internet exists. all thanks to socialized research put out by the government. literally 90% of the things you love and cherish today about your nation and your shit is thanks to socialism.
read more books. free enterprise is cancerous, you can't find a job today FOR A REASON. this is not a problem in socialist nations that put the right to work before these so called neoliberalist policies.
>>711895284
That's what you morons want to believe your special snowflake version of communism would be, but every time it's tried it results in mass murder, oppression, and poverty.
>>711885549
Nothing.
t. an actual russian
>>711895014
Says 16 year old freshman in high school who lives under a roof paid for by his well off parents.
cute
>>711895279
Not Bernie, but thanks?
Socialism is helpful in areas of basic human rights. Outside that, who gives a fuck? Make some money and figure out how someone else can too.
>>711895163
Well the Leninist system (having a vanguard) does have the problem of becoming a dictatorship which is what happened in the Soviet union and the states that follow it. So it can't be done by a vanguard party but by the proletariat all around the world
>>711895311
>nightmare
The people that live in those countries overwhelmingly approve of their healthcare systems.
>>711895324
Oh yes, lets leave decisions about how to run society and the economy to the uneducated class of people. I'm sure Jamal in the hood has the best interests of the world at heart. Or Billy Bob in the rust belt.
>>711895311
American healthcare is a nightmare. The rest of the world is laughing at the US
>>711894979
>>711894879
Meanwhile, in the real world...
>>711895512
Trotsky go home
>>711895378
>mfw you think socialism, not capitalism, made america great
>>711895578
We are, but healthcare is just one of the reasons.
communism = system where those who work are given more than those who don't. real fair system. a CHRISTIAN system.
free trade capitalism = you losing your jobs when your boss realizes africans will do it for genuinly 2 cents a year, meanwhile your boss tries to sell the product you used to make back to you and you can't afford to buy it causing ECONOMIC COLLAPSE (ie what we saw in 2008) marx's critique was 100% right. and if you don't see this then you are completely fucking blind or still stuck in an age of cold-war propoganda where fighting russia meant fighting communism. russia is dead. we can stop being fucking babies about the benefits of workers owning the means of production more. its honestly like you guys don't want to live in a star trek society where machines do all the work and everyones filthy rich.
being a communist today is more important than anything, please do some actual research before judging something you don't understand:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBcW_ylIN14
>>711895484
>Socialism is helpful in areas of basic human rights
>Outside that, who gives a fuck?
>Make some money
Give me your definition of socialism
>>711895418
Capitalism is all mass murder and oppression. That's what American, Britain and all the rest are but I'm sure that's not your opinion of it right?
>>711895551
>people that have different opinions than I do aren't informed
They just have different priorities. It sucks, but that's all that really matters.
>>711895378
Cool story bro
I have a friend who wore a Hammer/Sickle shirt to school (presumably in other public places as well)
I always cringe at the thought but he still doesn't see any problem.
What's worse is that he is socially awkward in a way where I think he tries to connect but it just comes across as fucking strange. He's not retarded or anything though.
What's worse is that he has a girlfriend while I'm still single. Maybe there is hope for all of us.
>>711895217
Capitalist governments, western monarchs, and Christians have killed many more people both directly and indirectly through forced institutions. Get off your frickin high horse.
>>711895597
because of morons like Trump supporters
>we need chayng!! some1 who isint a polytishan!!
>elects trump, takes so many steps back
How do we progress in a capitalist society again?
>>711895512
No parties! No classes!
>>711895706
>That's what American, Britain and all the rest are but I'm sure that's not your opinion of it right?
Of course not! Massa gives me STUFF! I like STUFF.
>>711893721
Such identity politics. Marx would be horrified.
>>711885549
Wow another hammer & sickle lover
>>711890956
you're trolling - right?
>>711895630
No. It's the only way. The capitalists fight against Leninist states. The workers of every country have to unite and dismantle the system
>>711895649
new deal ie socialism is why america even exists today.
seriously dude, learn about american history.
learn about how just 30 years ago before reagan opened free trade with third world shitholes we could get jobs straight out of high school for 40 bucks an hour. learn about how productivity is twice as high as it is today while wages are lower.
please learn basic economics.
>>711895661
Oh I know
Libertarianism will find a way.
>>711895649
>>711895759
Can't respond, so reply like typical Trump supporters
Does this mean the stonecutters are up and running again?
>>711895866
1975: the year Americans started getting exposed to real-world capitalism without their unique historical and geographic conditions to protect them.
>>711895850
Can you read? He's right
>>711895866
>please learn basic economics.
Stop, my sides can take no more!!!
>>711895890
Hey, I know that guy. He invented the "I am very smart smirk", right?
>>711895866
as the rich export jobs to india, as the free market gets freer, americans lose jobs. just so the rich owners of the means of production can make higher profits. this leads to a situation where 1% of the country owns more wealth than 99% of the country. the rich get richer and the poor get poorer. the poor stop buying what it is that the rich were even making, and this leads to economic collapse.
this is the curse of free market neoliberalist capitalism. the curse that only socialism can fix.
PROTIP: YOU NEED TO HAVE A BRAIN TO UNDERSTAND THESE BASIC CONCEPTS, IF THIS SHIT IS GOING OVER YOUR HEAD THEN PLEASE DON'T VOTE.
>>711895551
Our differences come together to form a greater good that ensures everyone gets what they need. One person's needs could never supersede another person's because they all get absorbed into the collective consciousness. Just look at Donald Trump his presidency is the result of democra... oh wait, never mind.
>>711895890
Richard Wolff would beg to differ
>>711895578
Bet that's some nervous laughter, eh?
Pay for your shit for now on.
>>711896000
neoliberalism has killed this economy. we've had a collapse in 2008 because of it. see
>>711896086
socialism is the only cure. american workers owning the means of production so that ceos cant hire 3rd world shithole labor for pennies and to stop these bourgouise globalist fucks from flooding our country with immigrants. we NEED socialism
>>711894345
if it was working out so well for them why did they stop?
a society so economically robust surely has the capability to resist the invasion of outside influence
>>711895484
Socialism, in the way I'm talking about it, isn't an entire economic system. Some governmental services are socialist, and a few more ought to be, but not everything needs to be purely even-scale. Relying on the private sector has been shown to be unreliable in several areas of the economy.
>>711896086
They wouldn't let that happen.
>>711895809
Elect a billionaire. Suck farts from your master's asshole. Be submissive to private tyranny. Praise state capitalism as free market fundamentals.
>>711896213
the war fucked them. outside influences. perestroyka. its complicated.
>>711894201
Wow, you really got me. I was a committed communist, but boy howdy, that single signage changed my whole world view.
>>711896248
>Socialism, in the way I'm talking about it, isn't an entire economic system.
Then you're not talking about socialism. Socialism is nothing if not an alternative, more advanced economic system that cannot coexist with capitalism.
>>711896268
its in their interest for it to happen. the more americans have jobs and money the more they can buy.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/4ky2bl/is_automation_a_libertarian_nightmare/
>>711896108
>Our differences come together to form a greater good that ensures everyone gets what they need
Jamal votes for all the resources to go to his hood, Billy Bob votes for the same but to his own trailer park. So on and so forth.
>One person's needs could never supersede another person's because they all get absorbed into the collective consciousness.
We are the Borg. Lower your shields and surrender your ships. We will add your biological and technological distinctiveness to our own. Your culture will adapt to service us. Resistance is futile.
>>711885549
it would bring great honor to the motherland
>>711896182
I do stupid and I probably pay for yours redneck. The money is in the blue states you realize. The only difference is I want the same opportunity for you that I had and I know that if your children have health and education regardless of their ability to pay it will improve my life. Not valuing the virtue of selfishness and whatever other bullshit ayn Rand wrote in her retarded books
>>711896395
oh look another person who has no idea what communism is
>>711896307
Probably just nostalgia and romanticism tbh. Look at conservafats and their love of the 1950/80s.
>>711894647
There are no inherent right to man, only what we as a collective people decide upon.
>>711896343
You commies are incapable of feeling shame, I know.
>>711896182
Bring it on
>>711896212
"We should all be thankful to the Soviets," says Paul Craig Roberts, "because they have proved conclusively that socialism doesn't work. No one can say they didn't have enough power or enough bureaucracy or enough planners or they didn't go far enough."
Hipster so hard
>>711896468
Communism is the abolition of personal rights and freedoms, the collective ownership of the means of production, and accompanied by mass murder and poverty.
That about sum it up?
>>711896497
The only shame we have is that we share our ancestors with you. And even still we try to help you
>>711896494
conservatives love the 50s+ because this is when america was at its most powerful economically. ie a time when LABOR UNIONS were 30% of jobs and the middle class was enormous. the economy was healthy. they don't realize that times were so great back then because of government regulation and socialized nationalist efforts
reagan destroyed this country
>>711896431
>I probably pay for yours redneck
Oh I doubt that.
>>711896431
>The money is in the blue states you realize.
That's just the evil Jewish conspiracy taking away the unskilled white jobs we're entitled to! There's obviously no other explanation as to why holy capitalism has failed to provide us with the personal wealth that Jesus promised us!
>>711896625
No that's retarded.
>>711896643
>And even still we try to help you
By putting your opponents up against the wall or in gulags. Thanks, but I don't want that sort of "help"
>>711896625
no its not. its workers owning the means of production. it is not the ABOLITION OF PERSONAL PROPERTY, JUST THE ABOLISHMENT OF PRIVATE PROPERTY LIKE LAND. NO ONE IS GOING TO TAKE YOUR HOUSE OR TOOTH BRUSH OR YOUR STUFF. you are an idiot.
>>711896691
I don't. I pay a lot in taxes
>>711896715
Funny, that's how communism ALWAYS turns out. Maybe it's not a bug, but a feature?
>>711896625
Could be worse. Capitalism is an economic system centered around pig-fucking. Look it up.
>>711890290
soon
>>711896494
And not even that. The fact that a bunch of people are delusional and have the power to enforce it does not make it any less bullshit.
>>711896779
>it is not the ABOLITION OF PERSONAL PROPERTY, JUST THE ABOLISHMENT OF PRIVATE PROPERTY LIKE LAND. NO ONE IS GOING TO TAKE YOUR HOUSE OR TOOTH BRUSH OR YOUR STUFF
Funny how the distinction is so fuzzy. If I make a program and sell it, does that mean my computer is private or personal property?
>>711896755
No. No gulags for you. Just reeducation camps.
>>711896625
its just sad that the only way people can argue against communism is by scapegoating the living fuck out of it and mis-representing it. private property =/= personal property. workers owning the means of production more does not equal "NO MORE FREEDOM". the death of wage slavery so everyone in society can become rich based on how hard they work is not a bad thing. communism is not a bad thing. finding ways to impliment communism peacefully is the bad thing, but in the end communism is literally just "super capitalism".
>>711896468
Oh look, another faux intellectual who persists in a theory, despite massive evidence demonstrating the utter destruction, not liberation, it causes.
lrn2science
>>711896815
Of Lenin's idea of a vanguard party. I totally agree it is a feature that can be exploited. But I don't call for that. You're just too dumb to follow along
>>711896893
>funny how the distinction is fuzzy
No it's not you fucking idiot. What kind of a stupid comment is this?
http://www.revleft.com/vb/threads/27576-Difference-between-private-and-personal-property
no one is going to take your fucking tooth brush under communism. this is cold-war scapegoat propoganda that argues against communism by mis-representing it completely.
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>>711896909
>its just sad that the only way people can argue against communism is by scapegoating the living fuck out of it and mis-representing it.
Well, at least each one of their crazy, ignorant responses is totally original and funny.
Oh wait
>>711897053
Right. I don't even believe this is what they actually think they are just parrots. Dumb ones
>>711896917
capitalism causes more destruction.
communism's successes in the 21st century are so incredible and numerous, most amount of people brought out of poverty at once in human history, 3rd world nations becoming space faring.
wars where communists fought against capitalists is not a failure of communist ideology you fucking moron. just like how the nazis murdering jews isnt a failure of white or nationalist ideology.
you are a blue pilled moron, but what should i expect arguing with faggots on /b/
To be honest. Both Communism and democracy both are failed experiments. That needs to be done is a country work out a blending of the two. Though both experiments failed they both have good points and parts. Just need to meld the two together and weed out the bullshit from them both.
>>711892095
no, this is the real 'master of puppets'
>>711896395
You don't realize you're a hypocrite. I assume you support endless war, hate flag burnings, wish everyone was conservative, and wish everyone would jump on board with you, amirite? That goal wants that masses to conform to your personal outline of what the country should be. Not only is it superficial but it's forceful. It forces arbitrary rules on everyone that would not tolerate them, to mold the people into one amalgamate death machine. Our country should coalesce in an effort to give the people what they need, for strength and unity. How can this country expect it's people to be there when it needs them, if it is never there when we need it? Why should I die for a country that has given me nothing? If I wasn't enslaved by debt, if my vote actually counted, if I wasn't marginalized, I may actually pick up a gun for my country and it's people. But as of right now, I say fuck it.
>>711896715
Show me a communist country where it was not.
Now I understand that a USRR/communist stuff is some sort of edgy youth stuff in western countries, where you fuckers never had to deal with a communist party or occupation, but here if someone tried to pulled that shit, he or she goes to jail. And that only if the police is realy fast and gets him before local people get to him or her.
>>711897272
>"classless, stateless society" = "authoritarian state capitalism"
HMMMM
>>711897209
>Why should I die for a country that has given me nothing
Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country.
>>711897155
wtf dude, communists pushed my country like 20-30 years back on top of what WWII did. And their supposed "gains" like free schools, electricity, etc would have happened what ever communists was or wasnt' there.
>>711897152
>>711897053
i'm a communist now that i've read a fuckload... but in the past i was just like them, thought exactly like them. the truth is that their entire mentality is just "america is great, capitalism is great because trading with other countries freely makes you rich, communism is north korea and north korea is evil because they are weird and everyone is scared under communism. can you believe how crazy some people have to be be communists after weve seen how shitty russia and north korea is!?? they have no electricity!!!!"
This is the extent of their understanding of theory. they know nothing about hegel or marx or europe or what it even means for a nations economy for workers to own the means of production. They don't understand that the country they live in today is rich not because "DEY LOVE FREEDOM AND HARD WORK" but because africa and india and all these other shitholes have been stripped dry thanks to imperialism. They can't even begin to fathom why these shitty countries are shitty. just "communism is where people share stuff and it doesnt work cause look how poor those countries are".
we truly live in the gayest timeline, and i feel disgusted that i used to think like that just a few years ago. learning more about economics changed my entire perspective though.
>>711897386
Reverse Turing Test: when a capitalist is indistinguishable from a non-sentient machine
>>711896798
>I pay a lot in taxes
Me too. You getting your money's worth?
>>711897386
Yeah. I always hated that saying. JFK was a real piece o shit. I believe in reciprocation. Not that one sided capitalist bullshit. It essentially says give up your dreams to help me achieve my own, and I'll let you can eat the crumbs.
>>711897366
Dude unless you lobotomise people, and I mean like everyone. You will always get classes, and you will always get states. There is no way around it.
>>711897496
You're right, and if you can figure out a way to cause Americans to undergo that transition in worldview be sure to let me know.
>>711897614
So you're saying that there has never been a communist country?
>>711897272
What? I don't even understand your dumbass. I'll try to respond to that though. So my point is I think having a vanguard like the USSR wasn't genuine it was one party rule controlled by the leaders of that party. Stalin consolidated power and purged the leftists. The way to do it is a transition from the corporate class fucking you in the ass with no Vaseline to more of a Democratic workplace like coop business where the employees own and control the means of production. Advancements in technology would create abundance and we would shift from boring repetitive manual labor to a focus on technology and education. Responsible management of the earths resources and the abolition of states
>>711897496
>i'm a communist now that i've read a fuckload
Try working a fuckload in addition to your reading and get back to me.
>>711897648
i'm american and i learned about how our means of production are not efficient and communists critique of capitalism was 100% correct... so i guess the only thing we can do is wait until more people decide to understand how our system works. then maybe we will see some change, comrade.
trump helped too, i heard liberals are actually reading shit now
>>711895768
Islam has a say in that as well
>>711897804
i have fucking 2 jobs and i'm a student you asshat.
>U GOTTA WORK A JOB TO UNDERSTAND THEORY
seriously fuckoff. you are such a fucking stain on humanity its not even funny
>>711897703
I fucking live in one, and each and everyone of those places was a hellhole. The "best" communists parties like DDR or Yugoslavia, were "good" to live in because they were as fucking far away from being communist without causing a USRR intervention as possible.
>>711897614
You're right governments will always exist, probably class too but to a lesser extent, at least in my eyes. Abolition of the state just means ending the centralization of authority, not necessarily the end of law and order.
>>711897804
Well I have done both and can tell you most ceos can't do the job they are in control of and their only job is to put more money in the shareholders hands. A small group usually 10-15 people on the boards make the decisions that benefit them but if there was more democracy in the workplace you and your coworkers wouldn't outsource your own jobs, cut your own pay or automate and fire people. You would make better decisions that benefit everyone in the company
>>711897823
About that pic, value is not objective. The labour theory of value is bullshit.
