5 million signers in 3 days, time to get on the stump the trump express https://www.change.org/p/electoral-college-electors-electoral-college-make-hillary-clinton-president-on-december-19?tk=z1gel_9WYQiDj_1K0YAB0-O1fOE5r-EMH9zJ_Z17lFE&utm_source=petition_update&utm_medium=email
>>711732921
OP as he pulls the dick from his mouth.
"SURELY THIS WILL STUMP THE TRUMP".
>>711732921
no one gives a shit
there's an anti brexit petition with millions signing too but you can't overthrow a democratic vote with a shitty petition signed by the sore losers
>>711732921
you cant overturn a democratic election with a petition, liberal retard
five million out of the total population of 318.86 million
really is going to change something
>>711732921
Name 1 change.org petition that did something to the government.
5 million down, only hundreds of millions more to go. I'm sure they're all legal US citizens and no one signed more than once too, right?
>>711732921
Nice of them to put their names on a list for us.
Wonder how many are illegals.
>>711732921
didn't vote for him, but at this point we've got to live with it
just wish Trump luck, he's going to need it, as is the country
at least this election showed us that there are glaring issues with voters being educated on issues and the political system as a whole
>implying this is not obvious bait
>>711732921
I remember back when trolling was an art, son.
>>711732921
Can someone explain to me why all these fucking retards think that their faggy little petitions matter?
Same shit in the UK after the Brexit: A decision has been made IN THE DEMOCRATIC PROCESS and people somehow seem to think that them not being ok with the result warrants overthrowing democratic principles.
How much of a selfish child do you have to be to come to that conclusion?
>>711733543
You mean popular vs electorial vote?
>>711732921
>>711732921
Hello the gf started sleeping with a nigger after she found out I was a Trump supporter.
Does anyone know how I could get the nigger charged with rape?
>mfw people still think online petitions can change something IRL
>>711732921
Easier to rig than an election you don't even need dead people to sign you can just make the people up
>>711733905
or you could be a man and beat up the nigger
>>711733781
Because it's turning out that half who voted for Brexit don't know what it is, or they regret voting for it.
They should have the option of canceling their vote.
>>711732921
Why >>711732921
don't t>>711732921
these crybaby assholes just fuck off and move to Cuckanada like they said they would already.
They really think a petition is gonna do a fucking thing?
Change.org thanks all the stupid liberals for their web traffic
>>711733877
mainly yes, but also division in the RNC and corruption in the DNC
>>711733897
Yes, a bundle of wood like that used to be called a faggot.
Either very smart of you, or you must watch South Park.
>>711733668
you don't need your best bait to catch the trumpanzee
Change.org has hundreds of petitions daily and never changes anything kek. They had one about stopping dog eating in a country none of the signers lived in. Futile is their moto.
>>711734074
I shouldn't have to. What would I have to do to get a cop to do it?
I want to know why everyone is so damned scared. Not just of him. Her. Blacks. Muslims. Gays.
"OH SHIT... different is bad. Not in my country."
Haha.
Still though, people should be so scared. You don't know what will happen. I voted for Hillary because that seemed the most logical choice based on experience and respectability.
That being said I will give him a chance. He fought hard for this and earned it. I congratulate him and hope for his a America's sake he does the best job possible.
And furthermore, the electoral college is far from perfect, but it is needed. For fairness and equality it has exist, but it does need a revamp. I would say mainly in the sense of how precincts and districts are drawn, but I could be wrong.
>>711732921
Yall postin in a troll thread.
OP here,
Good job faggots.
>>711732921
Thats gonna be a kill list, thanks :)
>>711734089
No they fucking shouldn't.
The vote is anonymous. How do you trace back who voted and what they voted for?
Being able to do that would undermine the foundation of democracy.
>>711734219
I meant should not be so scared... damn American education.
3 million plus illegals voted, hmmmm
KILL ALL POLITICIANS NOW.
>>711734094
We all would, trust me, and we'd be one of the greatest countries on Earth; great education, great economy, relatively little violence, etc.
However, Canada is one of the strictest countries in the world when it comes to immigration and obtaining citizenship. Even renowned doctors and scientists often have a hard time getting citizenship to Canada.
>>711732921
>5 million signers in 3 days
VS 200million in 1 day that wanted him
>>711733284
The Kratom petition may have helped that situation, but so did the medical community and political backlash.
>>711734475
That's because other countries bully Canada into not accepting people, especially valuable people, because then all the best scientists and doctors in the world would be living there and everyone else would be fucked.
why are the trumpanzees so afraid of this petition? why waste your time trying to shout down something that wont work, kinda like HRC supporters, why worry about Trump, he wont ever win
>>711734292
The voters themselves should have the option to contact the British govt and recant their votes if they want to.
But the fat cats you carry water for would never go for that, lol my bad.
>>711734475
This. I have proven Canadian ancestry and I tried for eight years to get citizenship before giving up.
>>711734886
Because the fact that Trump didn't win the popular vote wasn't lost on Paul Ryan or the other Republicans, either.
Trump simply was not elected by the majority of this country's people.
>>711734995
A mulligan on voting sounds nice, but that would be a horrible idea. Just think not only of the legislative issues with figuring out the laws around that (how many times can you change, how long till you can't anymore, etc), but also thing of all those people in your life, and I know you know some, that can't decide if they want a regular or large coffee without going back and forth twenty times. The wasted time and man hours that comes from these people. Horrendous.
>>711734074
Tell her family and friends.
>>711734995
Hurr durr, my neighbor, uh, I mean, I voted for Brexit and he wants to change, I mean, I want to change his vote.
>>711734094
I've lived in several conservative area's in my life, and can only imagine an all-conservative America to be nothing short of an apocalypse for this country.
Like it or not, liberals are the intellectuals who have been holding this country together... the best they can, at least, which is hard when gun toting redneck retards keep getting in your way.
>>711734995
How old are you? I'm seriously asking.
Do you have any idea how a democracy is supposed to work?
For your system of recanting your vote to work, there would have to be a record of how every single person in the country voted available to the government.
It is beyond me how you cannot see that this goes against core democratic values.
When the Liberal Government is re-instated, there will be an intensive massive crack-down on the Alt-Right before it turns into a Nazi type movement.
>>711735747
The Brexit needs to be repealed, because there are clearly enough examples of voters not wanting what they voted for.
>>711735148
exactly, we have a system in place to deal with situations like this and the trumpanzees are afraid of letting the will of the people prevail
>>711734995
And every time a politician did something you didn't like you can contact the government and re-re-cant you vote again and again.
>>711735868
Then they should have learned a lesson.
>>711735777
I'm ready for a civil war.
>>711732921
If you wanted to see real riots, then take out the democratically elected president because people are crying about the system after THEIR candidate didn't win. To be honest, I think that would be a big enough spark to cause more than riots.
Not saying I agree with any of it, but theres so many high tension areas in social politics right now that it would be a very bad move. I get peoples issue, but you cant say "We need to change the electoral college system" and raise a fuss about it AFTER you lose. You should do it before, or now that you realize its bad work to change it so 4 years from now it doesnt happen again. Doing anything else just shows you are being a sore loser. I swear everyones a retarded man baby these days, Bernie supporters, Trump supporters, and Hillary supporters. All dumb as fuck, its just what flavor dumb you want.
>>711735615
>http://www.mostdamagingwikileaks.com/
Right.
>>711735567
this isn't a mulligan, the vote is not completed until dec 19th . we do not have a certified election until the EC votes, and with trump trailing in the popular votes by such a large margin, we want to ask the EC to consider what the people actually voted for
>>711734089
Being stupid and making a bad choice is part of life. Its how you fucking grow. Jesus christ how some people can get out of bed on their own without help is amazing.
>>711735868
That's their problem for being stupid, but not a valid reason to overthrow a democratic decision.
>>711735615
Almost every significant advancement or protection this country has seen in the last 50 years has come from liberals.
Liberals are the only reason your boss cant fire you the day before you're set to retire and cash in on your 401k.
>>711735615
>area's
opinion discarded
>>711732921
Fuck me, the shilling really never ends.
>>711735615
>Like it or not, liberals are the intellectuals who have been holding this country together.
That is actually called an opinion not a fact.
Liberals are also the ones that continually undermine the us constitution and put restrictions on the peoples rights because they think they know what is best for others.
>>711735916
I'll fight you faggot
>>711736525
and you will lose.
>>711736089
we don't need to change the EC system, we have to give it a chance to work, its job is to insure the will of the people is administered, HRC is very far , hands down the winner of the peoples will and choice, now we want the EC to do their duty in an educated way, to live up to their responsibility and vote with the will of the people
>>711736284
It's not really "democratic" when the rhetoric is poisoned by shitloads of money to make everything pro-Brexit.
>>711736642
with love?
The electoral college is there to keep the popular vote from being the main decider in elections. That is it's purpose. Think if it this way. What if the country was 50% White Christian Males, and they all voted one way. This would mean that only their votes would matter in just a popular election. There would be nothing but campaining for White Christian Males. The electoral college is meant (but not nessicarily perfectly) to allow equal representation to all varieties of groups. Each state has EC votes selected based on population, but this make the Jersey Jews and New Hamshire Christians have a similar influence.
>>711736735
Sorry. I'm not a gay ass liberal.
>>711736707
The EC fucked up twice in a span of less than 15 years.
It's time to ditch it, and move towards direct popular vote. Progressives are sick of the Red States being the deciding factor over and fucking over again.
>>711735615
Liberals are no longer the group holding America together. They are no longer representing the common person, they are an elitist club. At this point to an even higher degree than the Republicans.
And that's why they lost to Trump, because the common person would rather vote for Trump than for a party and candidate that has his best interest even less in mind.
>>711736806
>What if the country was 50% White Christian Males, and they all voted one way. This would mean that only their votes would matter in just a popular election.
It is, and that's why Trump won, ultimately.
>>711736935
>The EC fucked up twice in a span of less than 15 years.
How do you figure? because they didn't vote the way you wanted?
>>711736942
>They are no longer representing the common person, they are an elitist club
Bullshit. The vast majority of this country is liberal, they're just too apathetic to participate.
But polls show time and again that this country favors progressive ideas more than conservative ones.
>>711736806
and this is why they are not bound to follow a rigged election, one that was thrown by lets say, propaganda from a fBI director, we have a chance to fix that election rigging
>>711732921
Come back when you have over 60 million signatures from US citizens. Then someone might believe that it isn't just a bunch och crybabies being upset for losing.
>>711736942
[This is what Trumpkins actually believe.]
>>711732921
Always sage these threads or do not reply. CTR is still being paid for by Hillary (in conjunction with Soros) to circumvent the democratic process.
>>711737137
We were assured that Presidential candidates losing elections while winning the popular vote was a rare thing.
Instead it happened in 2000 and 2016, and to one party.
The Electoral College is outdated.
>>711733160
Election hasn't happened yet, Electoral votes don't happen until December 19th.
>>711737275
>I hate free speech
>spank me
>spank me
KECKS
i interviewed people about trump today check out my video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDJI70huyT8
>>711736855
why are you saying sorry to me for i anit got a dog in this fight just asking a question
are you going to fight him with love yes/no
>>711736711
Yada yada yada, you're such an entitles crybaby.
Their was money and rhetoric on both sides. Just because you don't like the result doesn't mean the decision was not democratic.
But arguing against you people, who cannot live without getting their way, is useless
>>711736188
.5% of the total votes is not a large margin. It's a statistical error.
>>711733182
Do you really think it's 5 million eligible voters? My bet is that at least 50% are from non-US sjws around the world.
>>711736942
>said fox news, verbatim.
can you retards literally ever think for yourselves?
>>711732921
Does your dad know you're a homosexual yet?
>>711737296
Sorry faggot, Trump won EVERYTHING.
>Sage these CTR threads.
>>711737244
Nope. We are just sick and tired of Liberals and they stupid fucking ways selling out our country. Why don't you move to the EU. They bring in refugees and terrorists. You know the ones you like so much.
say it with me shills
"on time and under budget"
>>711737385
I'll fight you faggot. Fight.
>>711737296
You forgot 2008, but that's probably because that time, it suited you well.
Without the college there would still be bitching about how women can only decide the elections... they are 54% of this country after all. And so men wouldn't matter as much if at all anymore.
>thinking California leaving the US is possible
God damn conservatives are fucking retards.
BTW California is the 5th largest economy on earth. If it ever "left", which it won't, the rest of you would be fucked.
>>711737156
>The vast majority of this country is liberal, they're just too apathetic to participate.
Oh, so even if they don't vote for your candidate, you're still gonna lump them together with your camp?
>>711737367
LOL nope. not love.
>>711733543
Indeed. It's mind-boggling how many idiots turn a blind eye to corruption in favour of having a vagina in the white house. Educating the masses should be a priority.
>>711737518
>muh bullshit source
kek
>sage
just like a Trumpfag
against free speech
>>711737521
who's "we", you sanctimonious, uneducated, entitled fat sack of shit?
>>711733668
Trolling is still a art.
>>711737521
>we
kek
sorry you and a bunch of faggots circlejerking each other at /pol/ isn't a "majority" no matter how hard you cum faggot
Liberals are the earners in America. The producers.
The largest group on welfare in America? Whites in RED STATES.
Blue states send you jobless sacks of shit billions of dollars annually. Get a goddam job you fat inbred fags.
>>711732921
ayyy lmao, good luck with that
>>711737799
But it's not beautiful anymore.
>>711737593
Why would I include an election where the winner got 10 million more votes?
Gay, much?
>>711735615
Top quality bait m8 i r8 8/8.
>>711737902
I thought that was the point.
Jobs in the midwest went to China and India and shit, people in red states are pissed off and elected Trump.
I'm watering my lawn with liberal tears. The California drought is over.
>>711737680
Voter cynicism. It's kept liberals at home for decades. And faggots like you are the reason why, giving someone a reason not to vote for something that might be in their interests.
>>711737958
So you can't rise to the challenge, little man?
Everyone is so damned scared of the Boogieman. Be he Trump, or Terrorist, or Whity.
It's funny... not funny haha... funny sad that the "Home of the Brave" is anything but.
>>711735777
Well they will have a helluva time conducting a war without any guns, since theyre all allergic to those, just sayin.
>>711737691
thank you and good day/night to you sir
>>711738176
Whites in red states have been on welfare for decades. This is nothing new.
>hint: the jobs left under gw bush. not under liberals' leadership
you god damn lying retard.
and you know who's going to fuck you now? trump. that's right. bring jobs to America lol? no. but he's going to get a lot richer :)
>>711732921
>>711732921
>every retard who voted for clinton signs petition
>think this means anything about popular opinion in America
PS. 3+million illegals and 60,000+ felons voted for clinton...
Please 4chan, let's defend Trump!
Let's fight these damn gays, feminists, niggers, jews, sandniggers.
Our country our rules!
Let's support Trump!
>So why not use this most undemocratic of our institutions to ensure a democratic result
lol, these "democrats" are hilarious
It's hilarious that the Dems got cucked by the black and women vote and they're still blaming straight white men.
I wish Trump was Hitler so he'd make you build the wall and then throw you in the ovens.
>>711738346
I'm a liberal. I've got guns. I go shooting with other liberal leaning friends. You're a faggot.
>>711732921
Hey dipshit....it doesn't take signatures, It takes an amendment to the constitution which needs supermajority in congress and to be ratified by 38 states......good luck with that.
>>711738290
the red? no one lives there.
the blue? dense population centers.
no, we still can't hear you. we will never listen to retarded racist dumbshits.
this election had the lowest voter turnout since the early 1990's. when democrats get inspired by a candidate - you're reign is over
>hint, you're done in 2020.
>>711738416
well, I don't think I lied, since I didn't make any statements
though I don't think Trump's voters really care who lost the jobs, just that they're lost.
>>711738203
Thinking that skin color, gender and sexual orientation is a better measurement of qualification than education and experience is obviously the right way to go. STEM is just a patriarchal construct made to keep women and blacks away from jobs. It's been proven that crying at a failing bridge will make it repair itself, and hugs put satellites in orbit.
>>711738203
>giving someone a reason not to vote for something that might be in their interests
And what exactly is that? And who are you to decide what's in peoples best interest?
That's the great thing about democracy, there is no authority on what's best for you, you fucking ideologues.
>>711735777
Nazis...
German National Socialist Party. Practiced a form of socialism called "Fascism", where the government placed their own key people in charge of all economic sectors... health care, banking, auto manufacturing, etc. It's socialism by proxy, since there's still ostensibly private businesses, but the government still controls it.
Hmmm... that sounds familiar. Like Obama nationalizing healthcare, putting his people in charge of General Motors, banking boards... in fact, you're describing DEMOCRATS.
I fucking love it when idiots call the GOP "Nazis", having NO concept of who those assholes were.
>>711737786
Spoken like a true elitist liberal.
In fact you piece of shit that thinks you fucking are better than everyone else need to get the fuck out of MY country. Yes MY country. I fought and defended it I doubt you have the balls to do it.
>>711738604
Starting with you. Because you're clearly gay.
>>711738669
so for you only citadins are human beings with full rights... hmm, how tolerant and respectful is that
>>711738669
tl;dr: TRUMP WON
>>711732921
What's the point of this? 60million people have already signed to keep him out of the white house on election day. How can anyone be so fucking daft.
>hillary supporters
Oh, that's right.
>>711737953
That list is a bit fucked up, it appears to have switched Eisenhower and Truman, Garfield's beard was smaller, and Wilson didn't have a beard
>>711738449
>>711738817
Mallcop doesn't equal serving your country. Just so you know.
>>711738739
No but your anus does tend to mega-dilate when you find out liberals don't like what you're doing and tell you they want to change things.
>>711738669
>the red? no one lives there
democrats lost because they couldn't convince rural America that they gave a shit about them
Even after losing the election because of it, you still can't drop that attitude.
>>711738449
kek
>>711737391
Statistics don't matter when there's actual data.
>>711737424
It's going to be 10% actual voters. The rest will be kids and out of country fgts.
>>711738669
wow, another shining example of tolerance and acceptance from a leftist
>tyranny goes both ways you fucking child
>>711738537
>3+million illegals
You guys are never letting that go, are you? Let it go, you won.
>>711736510
So are conservatives. Everyone claims to know what's better for everyone else.
>>711738915
It's hilarious... The left went batshit crazy when Trump didn't say he'd accept the results of the election. He simply said "We'll see". Hillary called that "horrifying". And now that Trump WON, it's the Democrats who won't accept the election results. Horrifying, indeed.
>>711739047
21 years in the military does. Unlike you that sit on a college campus spouting shit and believing everything the media tells you like a sheep.
>>711737391
no it is stastical error in a poorly run poll, in a election there is no margin of error hrc wins, the election isn't over until the ec casts their votes, slim but growing chance we can convince them to deliver the will of the people
>>711739245
We're not the ones crying on the internet and rioting in the streets.
>>711738750
Working class people supporting socially conservative policies are so totally voting against their interests. They could do so much better.
>>711739356
Keep tilting those windmills, Don.
>>711738765
Socialism is public ownership. Fascism is government partnership with private ownership.
You are a dipshit.
>>711739069
I don't mind change as long as it's not retarded. And don't tell me the feminist left wing shit is liberal when it's clearly autocratic. I'm liberal and there's hardly anything they want that I agree with.
>>711739271
True but the conservatives are not the ones trying to change the constitution and rioting and beating up people that voted for someone else just because they lost like a bunch of fucking babies.
>>711739488
Every movement has its idiots. And fringe feminism is no threat to me or you.
>>711739330
Good to know. and what for 21 years have you been doing... General? or not smart enough to be an officer?
>>711739476
Wrong. It's control boards and placing your people in positions of power such as CEO, president, etc. Open a book for a change.
>>711739375
You got to be the bigger man. let them make a fool out of themselves. Well, it's kind of hard to NOT let them do that at this point...but you know what I mean.
>>711738021
Talking about this.
Where was your ImWithHer here?
>>711739592
>Open a book for a change.
Sorry, Mein Kampf was checked out of the library.
>>711739587
In any combat situation, what does the lieutenant do? He goes to the sergeant for advice.
>>711739659
I voted for Obama, dipshit.
>>711739683
Someone tell Hillary to return it.
Here's a tip to all the butthurt liberals:
before you flip your shit about the fucking popular vote, win the popular vote by a noticeable margin.
You retards cry like democracy has been destoyed by a candidate that nobody wanted and who made it to the office through some weird loophole.
>>711739379
says who? You? How do you know what is best for someone else? I guess you know what is best for everyone and we should all do what you way because you know what is best for us. Go to the EU they are like you there.
>>711739814
>conservative humor
don't quit your day job faggot
Ok so lets say in theory the left nutbags get what they want and the ec doesn't vote in trump. Can you imagine the shit storm that extreme right would pull afterwards not worth anyone's time let the man do his 4 years or keep protesting no one gives a shit anymore
>>711739851
you sound like a total useful idiot with no moral compass, anon
js
So pretty much every person who voted for Hilary,
LOLOLOLOLOL
>>711739585
I wouldn't cars if it was fringe, but it's not. It's the idiots screaming the loudest that get all the media attention, thus setting the agenda. They might not reflect the views of the majority of feminists, but when the rest say nothing to dissuade them they're basically saying they think it's OK.
>>711738604
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xC9-G4ZVejk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjZFe5f8bvw
>>711739872
Faggots...other than Milo, are the exclusive domain of liberals.
>>711739587
Nope most officers are not as smart as they think they are. In fact there are more enlisted with degrees than their are officers.
>>711739494
To be fair, petitioning the electoral college isn't changing the Constitution - it's a feature of the Constitution that's been a part of it since it's inception.
>>711732921
>5 million signatures
>on a fucking website
>surely this will override the 130 million people that cast their legal ballots last Tuesday
>utilizing the system that has been in place since the beginning of our country
Nigger, you're retarded. And a faggot, because you're OP.
>>711739727
haha... you seem like a decent guy. would like to buy you a beer sometime, but since that can't happen heres tits. 'Merica!
>>711739759
So because it benefited your candidate it's okay?
>>711739379
I don't see how Hillary's policies have the common voters interest in mind. Maybe you could enlighten us?
>>711739659
Being black means you're higher up in the victim of oppression hierarchy that a white woman, so naturally they don't mind.
>>711739965
Women's rights getting recognized might be one thing, no way radical feminists are going to "set the agenda," they don't even have the socio-economic power to do that.
You just worry about Trump, k?
>>711732921
>5 million signers who don't know how presidential elections work
>>711739936
I'm just smart enough to make my own decisions. I do not require someone else to tell me how to think or what to do, unlike you.
>>711739995
you are very likely a closeted faggot
>>711739759
that's exactly the point you dummy
>>711739683
Don't borrow it. You'll be added to a government watch list.
If I'm not mistaken, there's an option on change.org to see which country those signers hail from.
I'm from Central Europe and could've signed this, meaning that for some reason, people who're not US citizens get counted just the same.
That's pretty silly.
>>711734475
>I'M MOVING TO CANADA BECAUSE YOU HATE ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS!!!
>no eh.
>>711740162
Obama and Clinton ran against each other in the Primaries, not the General Election and their votes represent Democratic Party voters, not the entire populace.
Your posts are retarded beyond reason.
>>711732921
Do I think this will do anything? No.
Do you have the right to bitch? Yes.
Do have the right to tell you not to? Yes but that would be dickish, so I'll let you piss and moan.
>>711737799
Sigh, fine, I'll reply just for the sake of double doubles
"don't you mean trolling is still AN art?"
>>711734575
>VS 200million in 1 day that wanted him
What nigger?
>>711740108
It's also a good way to spark off a civil war. Who do you think would win that one. I know I myself have been to war before and I got no problem dying to defend my country and the constitution. The question for you is are you and those like you willing to die to take it away?
>>711739330
you mean 21 years in the largest socialist organization in the USA
>>711740165
A minimum wage increase wouldn't benefit average voters? Tuition-free college? Other stuff you're pretending to be dumb about?
lol
>>711740606
Don't you know how quotes work?
>>711735911
Yep. That system is the electoral college. And it handled the majority in California and New York and belt those cities from deciding for the whole country.
This is literally worse than Occupy Wall Street could have ever been imagined.
Liberals have a major problem. They don't want to work with reality or laws. They just want what they want at the end of the day and that's it. Very self-centered people.
>>711740323
But I give them away every Christmas.
>>711738449
I would like to have been there when she broke down crying. And I would like to have been there even more when she started bitching about the 250 year old electoral system being rigged against Hillary. I bet her tears were ever so salty...
>>711740545
Doesn't matter if it was one party or both or if it was the primary. Hillary received more votes than Obama. So if we didn't have the electoral college Obama never would have been president.
>>711740731
One that you sit back on your ass and reap the benefits of like a leach.
>>711740730
Actually faggots like you have a problem with laws, and tend to support deregulation, so the rich can ignore laws, and ignore reality.
I just saw a report that wanted to free black prisoners with life sentences, because they were convicted when they were underage children ...
And what the fuck does it matter? What does it matter that you have changed? You have to pay for what you did!
To whom murder does not return his life ...
Kill all niggeres! And all jews.
>>711739851
we really dont
>>711739080
no one gives a shit about rural America.
the only reason you won, is because everyone hates Clinton.
we'll see you in 2020. this is the only time in modern history where you'll be relevant, enjoy it.
also enjoy the billions of dollars we (earners in blue states) give to you. you fat, unemployed, racist retard welfare leeches.
The largest group on welfare in America: Whites in red states.
>>711740182
They are recognized. There isn't a single law that applies to men that doesn't apply to women. The only thing I can think of would be the abortion issue, which is fucked up. Beyond that the legal system already is skewed in favour of women, as well as any dispute involving care of children.
Also, it's kinda cute that you think I'm for Trump, just because I don't accept the bullshit Hillary and her feminist friends wanted to push through.
>>711740733
>Tuition free college
Who do you think pays for it if you don't? The college damn sure isn't going to do it for free.
>>711740936
Obama still beat Clinton by getting more votes than her in the primaries.
You are a retard. Stop posting.
>>711740694
It'd definitely be ugly, that's for sure. There is no good way forward, here.
>>711740606
Don't ruin it, mate.
>>711740975
If the laws are signed to support deregulation, there are no laws to ignore.
The problem is the liberals tend to support regulations that end up destroying small businesses, which ends up destroying the economy and the country.
>>711741024
Jews and Israel are the reason for Trump's victory you myopic, narrow-minded pederast.
>>711741187
Except you're wrong and he didn't.
>>711741061
Why don't you make a petition to get rid of the welfare system? That would benefit everyone than.
>>711741150
It'd cost less than a lot of shit the government does while providing much better returns.
>>711740733
What I was getting at is that these points were hardly really pushed by her.
Hillary says minimum wage, Trump says he'll get everyone jobs. That's two sides of the same coin.
But Trump was much more adamant in his position than Hillary was in hers. Hillary was the candidate of business as usual, Trump at least offered an alternative in a similar way that Bernie did.
But because Bernie wasn't up against him, Trump was able to ride this anti-establishment wave to the white house.
>>711741404
Or maybe you should just pay for your own shit instead of taking money from everyone else to pay for it?
>>711733125
but... but...
YOU WILL REGRET THIS
>>711740802
Because 66 and 29 will most certainly keep, say, maine with 4 a voice in elections.
>>711740975
Also, instead of trying to fix and change things lawfully and doing things on a rational basis to get the public to hop on, you run and scream and cry over a fair democratic election in the streets. Then you run and scream to undo the electoral college that you guys tried to use to elect Hillary Clinton. And then Calexit.
What happens when a democrat is back in office? California reenters the union? What happens when the democrat loses the popular vote and wins the electoral college? You don't care about the electoral college anymore? You are selfish people.
>>711741468
Finally another brain on the page.
>>711741381
Tell you what, you fat retarded fuck. Why don't you petition your god emperor trump to end welfare, since the GOP has complete power now
>>711741150
Thank you for proving my point. What it costs is not the issue.
>>711741061
yeah, you keep repeating that
though I'd argue that blacks are 12% of the population and account for 37% of welfare recipients, but, on a sheer-numbers basis, it would make sense that most welfare recipients are white.
After all, most Americans are white.
I don't understand how you can use "racist" as an insult while categorically insulting a huge group of people, though.
>>711741372
You are a fucking retard. That has all to do with DNC politics and nothing to do with popular vote, or why we shouldn't institute it nationally.
You are a faggot. Stop posting.
>>711740545
Wow, I'm not anon, but I have to point out how stupid you're being right now:
>you are bitching about Hillary winning the popular vote, but losing
>all because the system is set up in a way that allows a non-popular win
>but when Obama did the same thing against Hillary
>with a superdelegate system that overrides the popular vote
>you justify it as okay, because you voted for Obama, not Clinton
How fucking retarded can you get? You are literally saying it is okay for a candidate to win an election utilizing either the popular vote, or a representative vote, as long as the system in place elects the candidate you want.
TL;DR: No one gives a fuck what you want. The systems in place will remain in use until an amendment is passed to override them.
>>711741404
The state of georgia can afford it than the Feds can afford it.
Germany does it too. It costs less than the development of the f-22 and the f-35 which are both basically useless garbage jets.
>>711741767
But the cost is the issue. More specifically who has to pay the cost.
>>711734235
OP here
Nice try Trumpfag.
Do me a favor and sign the petition please.
Since Trump appointed Rinse Preebus as his
Head Of Staff, This Administration
will be another Bush/NC bullshit one with
Paul Ryan, Boner, McConnell calling the shots.
>>711741684
No dipshit. The Electoral College and gerrymandering will be eliminated. That is the goal.
Sorry that liberals get you so buttmad.
>>711741733
Actually I was planning on it once he has taken office. Also I was planning on running one for every physically able person under the age of 30 unless currently enrolled in school and to be completed upon graduation to be required to serve not less than 3 years in the military.
>>711734346
DOSENT MATTER WE WILL HAVE OUR VOICE HERD
>>711741968
No actually I am saying get rid of the entire Electoral College altogether.
Anon can't really argue this point, so he furnishes some "example" that has jack shit to do with what we're talking about.
>>711740733
>minimum wage increase wouldn't benefit
No, it actually wouldn't if you think it through.
Suppose the federal government raised the minimum wage to $15 like Bernie wanted. Suddenly everyone who's worked their way up from minimum wage to $15/hr is a minimum wage employee again, making no more than the untrained new guy. Suddenly a small business that's employing five people at $10/hr is going to have to lay some of them off because they can't afford a 50% increase to their payroll. This would royally fuck small businesses everywhere and increase unemployment by increasing the cost of operating a business.
>>711742101
The electoral college will never be eliminated. We are a republic, not a direct democracy, open a history book you dumbass idealistic liberal.
>>711742153
>HERD
moo
>>711742101
You won't get rid of the elctoral college with a petition....it takes 38 states to ratify a constitutional amendment.
>>711735615
>area's
>me a intellectual
>look a furry
>rednecks
>>711741983
Cost is never the issue. If that were the case, we wouldn't have a strong military or flushed 6 trillion dollars down the drain in Iraq.
You always argue the merits of the plan, which is simple logic.
>>711741061
Those who destroy land, so that nothing can be sown. Are the Jews. So only have to use their transgenic seeds that are the ones that survive in the lands contaminated by them
>>711741962
>Hurr the amount of people that voted for them has nothing to do with the amount of of people that voted for them.
>Being this retarded.
Stop cherry picking faggot. If you want to insist the electoral college shouldn't be used then you have to accept the fact that by those standards Obama wouldn't have been elected.
>>711742437
>>711741968
Anon who brought this up originally here -
thanks for the wordy defense, I couldn't really be bothered.
Now I actually am not in favor of the electoral college, but for transparency's sake, a changecan only be introduced after the necessary amendment has been made - and only for future elections.
>>711742258
See once again, you argue against something that would benefit middle class voters.
And no, you have zero evidence that raising wages hurts small business. It's a common talking point the rich use to argue against taxation.
All you're doing is proving my point.
>>711741580
I did pay my student loans, but the issue is more of one of societal risk. The current student loan infrastructure punishes people for reasons wholely out of their control. Take the Law degree bubble that burst in 2008. Many people who thought they were getting useful degrees in a desired major found themselves unable to get a job following the economic collapse of 2008.
Or what of the tens of millions of people in rural states and city ghettos who can't afford a college education nor do they have any prospect of qualifying for a loan due to their family's shitty socioeconomic status? I don't believe in punishing someone who wants to be a productive member of society because they had poor luck in the gene-pool lottery.
Most issues I'd agree with you on, but on student loans I'll have to respectfully disagree.
>>711741371
elaborate
yeah, a pertition that will undemine democracy that will save our rights, RIGHT.
You have a choice to make weed illegal everywhere for 20 more years and get Hillary or make weed legal everywhere federal and state, but have trump as President for eight years, which do you choose? i bet you choose Trump, because no matter how much you wine about him now, all you really care about is yourself and you would just prefer to get high over anything
>>711741808
No, because whites in BLUE STATES aren't on welfare.
Whites in RED STATES have the largest number on welfare.
Do you understand the simple point I'm conveying here.
and god dammit why won't more of you trashy southern sjw's go to college. it's like talking to Koko the Gorilla. fuck you're stupid.
>>711742276
Yeah well if enough people get together and lobby Congress to do it, or challenge the Supreme Court, yes the Electoral College can be repealed.
And it will. But thanks to dipshits electing Trump, probably not for 50 years or more. So are you happy now, faggot?
>>711732921
Won't change shit.
I can promise you that atleast 50% of the votes are from liberals all over the world and the rest are bots. So yeah.. this petition can reach 100 million, nobody will care.
>>711742471
That argument has nothing to do with my point.
You are a fucking faggot.
>>711732921
Im sure that number can get up to about 57 million and it still wont make a difference. See we already played this game with the votes/signatures and they lost.
What we have now is called a salty ass temper tantrum and its hilarious
here's a joke, THE AMERICAN ELECTION 2016. funny, right.
Id agree with the petition if it didn't say "replace with Shillary"
>>711732921
Waaaaa womyn didn't win
REEEEEEEEEEE
>>711742483
Get rid of the Jews
>>711742672
>Yeah well if enough people get together and lobby Congress to do it, or challenge the Supreme Court, yes the Electoral College can be repealed.
Hows that going for you?
>>711732921
>5 million signers in 3 days
moar like 5 million BOT signatures in 3 days. Face it, there's no actual way to verify that the signatures are coming from ACTUAL U.S. citizens instead of bots, illegals, or the jews of auschwitz.
>>711742390
Of course it's an issue. Providing another "free" service means more taxation and people never like tax increases. Just look at the cost of "free" healthcare. The cost is the main reason people are calling for it to be scrapped.
>>711742785
This. Right here. Is the sum of this petition.
If anything happens because of said petition. It means it's time for Civil War 2: Nuke the boogaloo.
>>711742672
repealed...it's aconstitutional amendment...the supreme court can't repeal it.
It takes a constitutional amendment....which requires a supermajority congressional vote FOLLOWED by ratification in at least 38 states.
>democracy WERKS
>except when someone i dont like wins
>>711736806
The EC helps prevent fraud. In states where one party is strong, there would be an incentive to stuff the ballot with fake votes. A fake vote in a popular vote scenario is the same as a real vote throughout the US. But a fake vote in a one-party state can't change the outcome under the EC. That state is already going towards that party's candidate.
>>711742538
It is still 100% your fault. So what if there was some down turn. Peoplw were getting hired if you didn't its again your fault and you still have to pay back your loans. You arent special. And anyone that says poor people cant go to college are dumb. Less money you have the cheaper it is to go to school. Everyone has to take loans out for school almost no one pays for it in full so it doesn't matter how much money you have. If you're poor before college you will have less loans after school than kids that grew up in middle and upper middle class families
>>711742666
well I have to admire your satanic trips but I'm in college right now
I am seriously confused by the phrase "trashy southern sjw's" and am beginning to suspect trollish fuckery
>>711742503
>LALALA I CAN'T HEAR YOU
>I CANNOT INTO MATH SO IT DOESN'T COUNT
Where do you think the money for those raises will come from? The economy fairy?
Businesses run on a budget. Substantially Increasing the amount that each employee must be paid reduces the number of employees that can be afforded by that budget. It's basic multiplication.
$4,000 per week payroll budget
$10/hrx40 hrs = $400 per employee = 10 employees
$15/hrx40 hrs = $600 per employee = 6 employees
That's a 40% layoff rate. That won't benefit anyone.
>>711732921
I have feiends on facebook shilling this shit. And I know for a fact half of them didnt vote in a swing state no less
>>711741684
>undo the electoral college
attn. Douchenozzle the EC has not voted yet, we arnt trying to UNDO something that hasn't been DONE yet, weare trying to get them to do their job and administer the will of the people
>>711742883
it's still better than you
>>711733125
this.
I fucking hate Trump and I'm super worried how he's going to run the country.
That said, this petition is a waste of time. The dude won fair and square.
>>711742538
Who's fault is it they picked a worthless degree? No one forced them to take a worthless degree. And there are already programs to help poor people go to college such as state and federal grants. People that look at college as a guaranteed automatic increase to how much they'll make are delusional and just asking to get burned.
>>711743088
What gets me, is that there are people arguing against trump bringing jobs to the usa through energy de regulation. How could anyone argue against jobs?
Yes, the environment is important, but the usa is a dropped bottle cap compared to the dumping of gallons of petroleum into the ocean, that is china and all of south east asian
>>711742914
>funding arguments
>arguing against interests
keep it up faggot
>>711742255
>No actually I am saying get rid of the entire Electoral College altogether.
And since I'm writing it anyway...
>>711742101
>The Electoral College and gerrymandering will be eliminated.
Good luck passing that amendment. You need 2/3 of the House, and 2/3 of the Senate. And 3/4 of the states to ratify. Do you really think it is in any way possible to get 3/4 of the states to ratify, when you are essentially telling them to give up any semblance of sovereignty they still have? The last meaningful amendment was passed in the 1970s, and it was not nearly as contentious as eliminating the Electoral College. It will never happen, may as well accept that now and move on with your life.
>Anon can't really argue this point, so he furnishes some "example" that has jack shit to do with what we're talking about.
No, anon is making sense. The Dems use the superdelagate system, which is like the Electoral College on steroids. And the democrats accept those results without complaining, even when the results are against the popular vote (like with Obama vs Hillary). Yet in the general election (and only when it costs them an election) democrats like to bitch about the Electoral College. It's time to just get over it. If you really cared, you would have 1. looked up and understood the Electoral College before this election, 2. tried your damnedest to organize enough people to get an amendment passed, 3. given up because it's fucking impossible to do now.
>First year Millennials are able to vote
>Candidate the voted for doesn't get elected
>Protests and riots in some big cities because they didn't get what they wanted
>mfw
>>711742729
>Provide no proof
>Provide no argument
>You're just wrong because I said so
Go to bed faggot.
>>711743448
gonna make it through the night, champ? its ok, you can be honest
>>711742962
ARE YOU HAPPY FAGGOT? LIBERALS ARE SCREWED THAT'S WHAT YOU WANTED.
>>711743019
It'd be 100% my fault for reading my crystal ball wrong? Wow, wish I knew how to predict the future accurately to ensure that I never make any wrong multi-year decision that'd cost me $30,000+.
I don't want my kids (when I have some) to have a credible risk that the major they spent 4 years studying will no longer be economically competitive for reasons entirely out of their control.
And while colleges may be cheaper in poor areas, it's not cheap enough for many poor families to take advantage of as is indicated by college enrollment status for children from low-income families.
>>711742672
Do you think the supreme court is going to rule part of the constitution unconstitutional?
The electoral college is part of the constitution and can't be changed without an amendment which requires a LOT of red states to say " geee...i think i want all those liberal cities deciding the election"
Democracy is dead anyway...
>>711743777
>Do you think the supreme court is going to rule part of the constitution unconstitutional?
if the bench had one more liberal on it...absolutely.
>>711743088
>muh math problems
Funny how you still can't prove your point
There is literally no evidence that raising wages hurts small business.
You are simply proving my point, that someone who would benefit from a wage increase would be a mark for this kind of socially conservative bullshit you're replying with.
>>711740108
The rules for the electors voting against their constituents are set and unchangable. Petitions have no affect here. If they decide to do that there's a process. A petition has fuck all to do with it. It's just funny as shit to watch you faggots piss and moan.
>>711743464
It'd be different if they knew from the get go it was a worthless degree and took it anyway. I'm talking about shit like degrees that are worthwhile when you start college but, due to factors entirely out of your control, are nearly worthless by the time you graduate.
>>711743429
Great response, it was a genuine question you dumbass
Getting rid of the EC has been politically impossible but lately I bet that has changed
The reson trump even one the election is due to the media and sjws branding anyone who does not support crocked hillary is a fucking sexist, racist and other things when most of them are clearly not. For me it was over the moment they fucked over bernie who whould have won this election hnads down but this what happens when you are bias to one side you get the orange twat in office. i have also lost faith in my favorite celebritys as well so thank for that.
>>711733125
actually the supreme court in the UK says no brexit for now...
but I agree, although trump hasn't technically won the electoral college yet - he will when they vote.
trump's always been against the electoral college. even now. this is the 1 thing he's been consistent on.
>>711733905
That's just her excuse to not make you feel as bad for being a despicable sad excuse for a "man". She just likes the bbc sorry bro. She dindu nuffin she a good girl.
>>711743588
Except no, the Superdelegates all went to Obama in 2008.
We are not talking about Democratic Party Primaries, dipwad, we are talking about Direct Popular Vote in a General Election.
You're both full of shit.
>>711743088
I'm not 100% disagreeing with your point about where will raises come from, but please consider the following:
Share holder ran businesses are designed to maximize profit in order to maximize return to the investors (Return on Investment, the basic foundation of capitalism.)
Therefore, most share-holder run businesses are going to be going for maximum efficiency of labor. By this I mean, they aren't going to hire people that aren't necessary. They are only going to employ people that fill a required role, and for as little as the law/marketplace will allow.
If the amount that the law/marketplace requires increases, they aren't going to fire everyone. They needed those people for a reason, and that need doesn't just disappear because the rate they must pay to employ them does.
>>711732921
have fun adding your name to the registry of political dissidents, to be quietly rounded up for political reeducation at FEMA camps
>>711742487
>Now I actually am not in favor of the electoral college
I think it's an ingenious system, which balances state's needs and overall population needs. Not to mention, the popular/electoral votes have only been mismatched 4 times, ever.
>inb4 you must be in a swing state
I am not.
>a changecan only be introduced after the necessary amendment has been made
Exactly. And it will never happen, because you need to convince 3/4 of the states to basically give up their voting rights/power. Not gonna happen.
>and only for future elections.
Which is the key point. There is no undoing the Trump election. Time to move on...
>>711743644
I'm happy faggots like you can''t change the constitution with a fucking petition.
Put on a safety pin faggot and hug your boyfriend and block traffic, it's about all you can do.
>>711743623
I don't need to "prove" shit. You made the point.
Fuck off.
