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the fight of the century(on) hehe
>>710893567
The Womans
One US Marine usually carries 210 rounds.
Not to mention the Roman Army would be able to encircle the US Marines and charge the living shit out of them.
Also Horses are faster than soldiers.
>>710894363
US army would just station themselves on some hill and shoot all the horses as they slowly try to ascend.
>>710894363
Yep, Romans for sure. I'd estimate one marine could kill 4-6 Romans, but they are so horrobly lutnumbered that they moght not even acomplish that. You would proby need around 100,000 Marines to topple Rome.
>>710894535
Romans would just stay in cover around the hill and besiege the Marines.
>>710894535
What happens when they run put of bullets? Not to mention, I doubt 1000 Marines could push back the human wave no matter how slowly it's moving.
Send nuke back in time
>>710894818
The romans would be worshipping them like the second coming of zeus because of their futuristic technology long before the marines run out of bullets.
>>710893567
It depends of the environment which the fight would occur, and the strategy used by them
the firearms alone would cause a mass panic between roman lines
and supposing that they don´t run, the shields would not hold against actual gun shot, so it would be like 1 thousand trained people shooting against 450 thousand unarmed people
A simple fire and retreat would annihilate the roman horde...
this is not even fair
of course if they got enough ammo
each soldier would need at least 500 hundred bullets
>>710894363
I guess math wins here. If every marine got a clean kill with every round, they would still be fighting over 200k romans
>>710895212
>zeus
>roman
>>710895212
Oh, that too. I think that it's more likely they flee in terror, but they probaly wouldn't stay and fight.
Marines.
Because they have studied the tactics of the Roman army. They understand how to defeat them.
Also, things you don't know.
>Range weapons are more effective.
>Marines have sophisticated battle simulation software.
>Marines are taught to think on the go whereas the standard Roman soldier takes direction from the leader. Take out the leadership and you have a bunch of screaming conscripts.
>>710893567
>>710894697
Freedom always wins
>>710895344
At first Romans still followed the Greek pantheon albeit they renamed the gods.
>>710895305
How about 1 bullet multikill noscope
>>710895344
The Romans did worship Zeus. They just changed his name to Jupiter.
>>710894535
Yeah but the corpses of the first 10k + horsed would definetly form a kind of defense barrier for the last line. ~450k man army is a lot
>>710895394
But you have four hundred thousand screaming conscripts. They've been pretty well trained and there's enough that they can just rush them.
>>710895305
it does not work like that, in army you have soldier which the only job is supply ammo
As an M240 gunner, combat load was 600 rounds of 7.62 at 9.6 lbs per 100 rnds. Some gunners would split the load across their assistant gunner and, if they had one, an ammo bearer that made up the typical gun team. The AG and AB both had M4′S with the standard 210 rnds, plus my spare barrel and tripod! The gunner ( me) also had an M9 pistol with a couple mags of 9mm.
We had a decent ammo bag/ bandoleer that could carry the full 600. I typically carried the full combat load myself and had the AG carry extra. The ammo back had a big quick release on the band the allowed my AG to pull the bag off me while I was prone behind the gun, running off my starter belt, and he could link the main belt in. I also carried a big bottle of 90w gear oil to drip on the rounds being fed in, and graphite or a wax based dry lube for sandy conditions, and moly grease with a barber brush for the barrel, to keep it all lubed and running smooth. But that was personal preference and I was 6′1″ and 210lbs with 12% body fat with a nightly lifting routine at the gym, so I could haul the weight effectively.
>>710894363
As a saw gunner I carried atleast 1000 rounds. More if we were out longer than a day.
U.S might as well be an alien invader at that point with the advanced weapons and shock and awe just by the look of them. The roman niggas would just look at the boots and say fuck look at that.
>>710895670
That's why I said usually. Still, I think raw numbers would hand it to the Romans, they'd be able to pressure the Marines into a position where they cannot move at all and besiege them.
gg on the service btw
>>710895291
Implying 100 highly trained american could hit 450k people.
Don't forget that cops fired over 1300 rounds at Christopher Dorner in 2012 and he had to shoot himself to get the fucking job done.
>>710893567
>Teach romans democracy?
Are you retarded?
Depends on how the marines are equipped.
>>710894535
Or maybe the roman will be in Rome and hope for the marines would conquer the Empire
>>710893567
>US hears Rome used clay pots filled with oil and fired from Trebuchets to siege castles
>clay pots fill with oil
>oil
>US sends army back in time to bring democracy
The first legion would advance and get with in 300yds only to be completely shredded by M249. All legions witnessing would immediately turn tail and retreat. Roman commanders would be hit 1000yds out with sniper fire, completely demoralising the whole army.
No doubt at the end of the conflict the marines would be viewed as sons of Mars and treated as holy beings.
I feel like it all depends on the tactics Rome uses. If they stay orderly and charge, they have a good chance of victory. But if they fail to make one cohesive attack right from the start to overwhelm the marines, then it's a tossup sort of leaning towards the marines.
>>710893567
US marines would just need to give out a couple blankets.
Our super diseases would kill the world in a couple years.
>>710893567
1000 marines if they have illimited bullets
>>710896334
This tbh
No commanders means absolutely neutered fighting force. Commanders are also easily identifiable.
>>710895781
As far as numbers go it would be hard to say 1000 would beat 450k. But shock factor would play the biggest role.
What this guy said
>>710895636
and thats without mentioning grenades, 320/203 launchers. We had at4's, the infantry now has gustavs. If you plucked the roman army out of time and plopped them here with no knowledge of these weapons and there effects they would attack, retreat and inevitably end up rushing the soldiers. I think it was Iran who did that to the iraqi's at some point, just overwhelming numbers with very few weapons.
>>710896269
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA :D
genirus
>>710893567
Marines if they brought extra supplies. Romans if not.
>>710894535
romans have projectile weapons that don't require line of sight so the can just encircle and lob in bullets (from slings), javelins & rocks from catapults.
>>710896334
>>710896336
Romans wouldn't even have to charge. Their vastly superior numbers would allow them to control the movement of the US Marines, which would allow them to corner or encircle them. When this happens, the Romans just have to play the waiting game, pinning the marines in a small area while they starve.
>>710895889
>Soldiers
=
>Cops
What are you a nigger?
Reminds me of the last samurai scene
>>710896902
An army of 450k would starve before 1000 marines with field rations.
Not to mention that 1000 marines divided into squads are much more maneuverable than the Romans.
>>710896902
If they circle them they might get picked off and then they might break and retreat. Also what if the narines try to break through?
>>710893567
this is so fucking stupid. as soon as the romans, or any fucking army started getting blasted by hundreds of rounds a second from an M249 they would be running for their lives. it wouldn't matter how disciplined they are, they would be absolutely fucked and stand no chance. people aren't zombies, they would give up 5 minutes into the battle. the unfamiliar loud noise of gunfire and mortars, along with seeing entire units of men getting fucking slaughtered in seconds from long distances would send them running immediately. it would be like watching soldiers killing civilians.
Closest comparison here is the Spanish conquistadors and natives in the Americas.
Keep in mind, the Aztecs realized the "white gods" weren't gods pretty quickly and would have quickly overpowered them if it wasn't for the supporting native nations that provided the bulk.
In a stand up fight, the Marines would obviously lose. Even with the increased engagement range, cavary, archers, discipline (maintaining the line so to speak) and shear numbers would allow the Marines to quickly get flanked and overrun.
Although, it would be more likely that the first few small engagements would go to the Marines, but as the Legionaries became accustom to gunfire that advantage would be loss and the tide would turn toward them.
Of course the biggest ally the Marines would have is disease. That could be the real wild card. Biological warfare is where it's at!
The Romans because theres not such thing as a US Army Marine....
>>710896902
I forgot to mention the biggest advantage Marines would have.
The tactics of marines can be scaled down to guerilla warfare whereas Romans must fight with phalanx and regions. The best tactics for Marines would just have to split up and take various potshots at the Roman command.
I guess it kinda depends on the exact scenario. If the Marines were in a brushless valley and the Romans knew where they were and surrounded them on all sides then sure, maybe they would win (I still think the shock and awe would cause the Romans to falter). In a scenario where the Marines position is ambiguous though, they win 99/100 times.
>>710895634
I think the weapons fire and intimidation of it would be enough to soften their assault.
>>710897176
The Romans will then just stand away until the marines starve or run out of ammo.
>>710893567
Reddit already made this movie.
Classic America. Goes to a Republic to bring Democracy
>>710897365
Marines can pursue them while maintaining a safe distance.
450k troops would require much more food than 1000 marines.
>>710893567
450K drunks would kill 1000 marines with their bare hands.
>>710894697
Implying a marine wouldn't just aim in the general direction of an approaching army, pull the trigger, and not rack up 10 kilss with one clip. Thats just with a 30 round mag weapon as well. Wait till they bring out the fucking LMG's or a sniper causes mass panic among the approaching romans by capping a general.
Soliders win hands down
>>710896019
How exactly was rome a democracy? The republican years were hardly democratic but a struggle of few families to gain power. Post Augustus is even less democratic
>>710893567
easy win with standard ammo amount
>>710895636
>nightly lifting routine at the gym
Found the pog/tampon
>>710897208
Its says Armry
>>710897711
Class mobility wasn't that uncommon. If you displayed aptitude as a plea tribune you could get into the senate. Probably very unlikely, but the opportunity was there.
I'll agree that it was more so an oligarchy though.
>>710897656
450 to 1
450 men who built an empire versus a social degenerate with grade six who couldn't kill a sand nigger through a tent wall.
>>710893567
The marines will run out of ammo and be slaughtered.
>>710895291
>>710893567
Are you actually aware that mean boats, scorpions and even "fire-pots" used with catapults.
You can shoot whatever you like, but when fire litterraly come from the sky, it's not your bulletproof vest that will protect you.
>>710897023
They got the whole Roman Empire that got half the Europe funding them, they would not starve ..
>>710893567
Unless the americans had heavy bombers or nuclear weapons there is no way they would win being that outnumbered.
>>710893567
Romans.
1: Going back in time means no extra ammo.
2: Fuck the Marines.
>>710893567
Romans are not bulletproof in any way, and generally did not use horses or ranged weapons
Marine with one clip can take out multiple romans
If each marine gets 10 kills
Thats 10,000 kills
But it would be more than that factoring, since they are fully equipped, grenades and other weapons
And guns have more than one clip
In all, romans are underwhelmed
American marines are just overrated bunches. With all their highly advanced tech weapons and powerful air strikes, they miserably failed to beat barefooted cave men with only Ak-47 Fucking Taliban embarrassed them
>>710893567
if on a field the romans would just burn it.
>>710895394
I would agree if the numbers wasn't so massively in favor of the romans. We're talking about 450 kills per marine. That's a lot of people that each marine has to fucking kill.
If the roman commanders decide to rush the marines the fight would be over in an hour.
>>710897197
This is assuming that 1000 marines LOS (Line of Sight) Is narrow as fuck and if you're using an M249. You can space out the marines a decent distance from one another. Not fucking far, like a retard, but just enough to were you can still get close to one another at a short period of time. It's enough to hold a position and have a 360 line of defense.
If you want to scare them shitless, get a 240 bravo, and you'd be ripping holes into their bodies. Problem is you gotta change the barrel ever so often.
>>710893567
No way to win for the Marines, they could run around in forests trying to escape but in actual combat they would run out of supplies and manpower in few days, while the Imperial army can be maintained for years or decades during wartime.
bullets and explosives would appear to the romans as a divine army slaughtering your own with the help of the gods. invisible swords and fireballs, at a faster rate than any army had ever seen previously
snipers could also kill anyone with the ability to give orders, and ancient armies without leaders weren't armies, they were a bunch of guys with weapons and no way to know how to act, when to charge etc. zero coordination, zero communication.
bearing this in mind, they'd rout fairly quickly.
>>710898075
Long term campaigns typically had maybe 40000 men at maximum. Keeping fifteen times that number supplied for even a few days is ridiculous.
>>710894363
Bullets are faster than horses.
>>710897197
>>710898050
But I do agree that all in all, the marines would lose if they decided to charge, all at once, and over run them.
>>710893567
Cant dodge bullets
Definitely cant dodge nades
Marines have tactical skill on par, but with better weapons
Also, sword cant strike kevlar
It would take multiple romans to take out one marine
And one marine to take out at least a hundred romans using absolutely all ammo
>>710898246
That depends on the speed of the horse and the speed of the bullet now doesn't it ?
>>710895212
... you mean Jupiter right?
>>710896269
hahaha
>>710898283
I don't think that the soldiers would do that though. I mean the average Roman soldier was a farmer, is he really going to charge into the mouth of hell while seeing WW1 style slaughter around him?
>>710898306
No
Horses arent good at turning
A direct bullet shot takes out a horse instantly, if even one leg is damaged the horse is fucked
>>710897942
>Marine with one clip can take out multiple romans
>clip
RRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>710897962
>American marines are just overrated bunches.
>all their highly advanced tech weapons and powerful air strikes,
You mean the Navy's old toys and the Army's CAS when JSOC wipes the cum off their monitors?
>>710895291
The Romans wouldn't run. They were basically fearless compared to modern soldiers.
>>710897817
fucking grade six
>>710895344
Mfw Jupiter is clearly superior to those faggot greek gods
>>710898380
And what if the bullet isn't shot from a gun ?
What if the bullet doesn't hit any vital parts of the horse ? Does it still instantly die ?
>>710893567
Not enough info. If the marines are defending a bottleneck like in Thermopylae and have ample ammo they most likely win. If it's an open field then they're toast.
Not enough bullets, plus every kill has to be a clean kill, not counting the fact that shields maayyyy block a few and they have horses they have to shoot aswell.
>>710897942
>Romans generally did not use horses
What the fuck are you even talking about
In 50,000 army there would be 18,000 cavalery
>>710898294
Yeah, they still burns and definitely not stopping a scorpion missile
>>710894535
>marines go on hill
>romans surround hill
>no food left after 3 days
>no water
>marines come down hill and get fucked up
Well, if 1000 modern soldiers were transported back to the Roman empire with no vehicles, no logistical support, no satellite navigation or communication, no electricity for recharging batteries, no ability to speak Latin and the mission description was "bring democracy"...
I'm sure that the weapons and equipment of the modern military would massively outclass anything from the time period. But without resupply, in hostile territory... Modern soldiers would be dead fairly quickly. Where do you make camp, and with what? How do you light your camp to prevent people butchering you in your sleep? How long do the batteries in night vision goggles last? How many water sterilisation tablets do you have?
1000 modern soldiers just can't win.
>>710898557
They have to be put down, it's much more cost effective then treating them, and we don't have the medical supplies to actually heal them if they wanted to, horses are basically fucked by one bullet, kind of sucks.
>>710898557
If the bullet doesn't hit any vital part of the horse, it's still one bullet wasted.
>>710898693
That's straight up not true though lol. Where are you getting that from?
Cavalry was only really normalized towards the end of the empire, and even then it was all auxiliaries.
mfw most of the US Marines would probably kill themselves in friendly fire - shooting at themselves over two sides of a hill.
>>710898283
giving the order for that many people to all charge all at once would be impossible in the time it would take for the americans to simply identify the commanders and kill them. they'd probably be on horseback, surrounded by banners, or something else similarly obvious so it wouldn't be a problem.
after that, they're no longer an army. they are a crowd, all with their own ideations about what to do, no way to communicate them, no one to make that decision for them, all the while being shot and exploded by a bunch of what would appear to them as being demons.
>>710898494
they were fearless because of their commanders. kill the commanders and you give them a way out of being rained down upon with weapons they do not understand
>>710897942
>generally did not use horses or ranged weapons
You're retarded, they used both of these things extensively. They also built earthworks, walls, trenches, towers, tunnels, poisoned wells and laid traps. They wouldn't charge into the marines head on and get mowed down, because they didn't do that against iron age technology. There was a reason they were so successful.
>>710893567
Hillary
1000 marines would be a fantastic tip of the spear. Just one question; where the fuck is the rest of the spear? No good without a shaft (fnar fnar).
>>710898756
I agree. In the long run, the marines are totally fucked.
1 marine vs. 10 or even 20 romans would be a completely different thing. That fight would last at most about 15-20 minutes with the one marine left standing.
USA vs RUSSIA = RUSSIA WIN!!
USA vs NORTHKOREA = NORTHKOREA WIN!
Fucking idiots answering marines...
>>710895636
amazing post
>>710893567
you can try to have a simulation on AoE2 with the cheat code. :p
try 1 cheat code trooper against a mix of 450 units and see. ^^
>>710898762
What if the horse heals on its own ?
>>710898795
What if the marine can somehow get his bullet back and reload the cartridge ?
>>710893567
>empirial
>>710899296
>What if the marine can somehow get his bullet back and reload the cartridge ?
If he could do that, it would still take him too long. The marines only chance is some sort of surprise attack while hoping that the romans will be scared shitless and run in panic at the first sound of gunfire.
>>710899457
>armry
>centuryon
Op is illiterate tbh
>>710893567
There are no US Army Marines. There is Army and Marines but they are in separate branches.
Romans, hands down. They were nothing if not capable of adapting to any situation, and the marines don't even have enough ammo to wipe out a single legion, let alone all of them.
>>710897176
>people aren't zombies
but the roman army sure acted like they were
>>710899615
That last one was to fit the pun.
>>710898568
You have it all wrong. Any scenario where the Marines face head on is a loss.
The only effective method would be guerilla warfare.
>>710897176
>the unfamiliar loud noise of gunfire and mortars
>implying the romans hadnt encountered stuff like this already fighting in the East
>implying their nerves of steel wouldn't allow them to push forward and over run the marines
>implying the romans would retreat and face execution rather than dying on the battlefield
>>710899027
this.
the roman empire's discipline isn't attributed to just sheer badassery - if they deserted, they were killed. they feared the centurions, the commanders, the generals. if these people were killed, they'd have no reason to hang around. they'd have an open path behind them and no reason to stay and get shot
>>710893567
that would be a crazy fight, but I think by the end the marines would win
>>710895212
>zeus
>>710897176
>the unfamiliar loud noise of gunfire and mortars [...]would send them running immediately
Just like Pyrrhus' elephants sent them running immediately every time :^)
I always find it hilarious when people act like the roman legions back in the day were invincible. They weren't. But what they were was adaptable. They'd lose some people, then they'd find a strategy to beat the marines. Just like they did every other time they faced a new threat that beat the shit out of them.
>>710898294
>Also, sword cant strike kevlar
romans primarily stabbed
you can stab through kevlar, as many animals can bite right through it
>>710900068
>the marines would win
Have you even seen a crowd of 450 000 people?
If you have, imagine them being somewhat trained soldiers marching towards you with the intent to deliver some pax romana your way.
The romans wouldn't run in fear, the marines would.
>>710899027
their commanders led from the front and fought along the soldiers.
understanding this, there HAD to be a system of succession, meaning that if you killed the centurion, he would just be replaced by another guy
>>710893567
I have no doubt that the Marines could topple the leadership of Rome and reinstate the republic. Assuming they were able to learn Latin.
For the record, Roman expeditions may have traveled as far as China, and encountered primitive gunpowder and certainly encountered "Greek Fire" another primitive explosive. I would not doubt that in a 1000 Marine vs 450k infinite plane fight the Romans would win.
Marines are trained to create insurgencies and fight with locals, in case of emergencies. Rome was a perpetually turbulent political climate, champions of the people for which they would be taken would be well received by the poorer people.
>>710898893
>>710899027
you guys keep thinking that the roman soldiers were just some joe blow normies, and not people that signed onto 25 years of service and had been doing this their entire lives
>>710893567
I think the marines could win if they used guerrilla tactics from afar to take out large swaths of romans from a distance
>>710900256
This. I would be much more concerned about the lower conscripted troops joining forces with the marines if I was highborn general.
>>710901042
not enough bullets for this
>>710893567
>US army goes back in time to bring democracy
>democracy
What the fuck does the US know about democracy?
>>710898494
>The Romans wouldn't run. They were basically fearless compared to modern soldiers.
[citation not needed because this is absolutely untrue]
The Romans would run like the bitches they are because they would have no idea what is happening to them.
The Romans would get fucking WRECKED. The amount of firepower hitting them would make them believe Jupiter himself was raining bolts of thunder and lightning on their superstitious asses. They would run away and pray for mercy to their fictitious gods.
>>710893567
Romans simply on numbers they would lose alot but they'd eventually win its like the superman argument eventually superman will fuck up or get tired than you win
>>710901352
.... then come back to camp and have to answer to highest ranked officer, all excecuted for cowardice, next several thousand men take example, plus briefed about what they are facing.
PLus the marines dicipline would break immediatly after seeing so many people wanting to fuck them up
>>710901352
>implying roman soldiers CARE what;s happening to them
you underestimate what 20 years of bloody warfare can do to harden a psyche
>>710901352
>The Romans would get fucking WRECKED.
Perhaps the first 60-70 thousand. The rest would regroup and find some way to fuck the marines up.
Marines - romans weren't as disciplined as you would imagine and wouldn't be aware that marine ammo was limited. Also they couldn't coordinate their actions for shit as they had no communications beyond some dude shouting. Once the marines wiped out the first few waves, the roman army would rout and the leadership would be forced to surrender.
>>710901623
this
The marines would flee before the romans would
seeing an army approaching that covers the entire horizon..whew lad
Well the US army has never won a war in its history
The Roman army conquered all of Europe and North Africa and held on to it for over 500 years
>>710893567
you are all forgetting the romans lack of immunities. one of the 1000 marines would def be sick so if you just threw him at them eventually the romans would be wiped out. just like with cortez and the aztecs.
>>710896396
this
>>710902104
It's highly unlikely that the disease would spread and kill the romans before the fight is over and the romans are declared winners.
either the romans win in the first couple of hours with full on rush on the marines drag it on for weeks and slowly bring there numbers down, it really depends what the battlefeild is and where they are positioned with each other
>>710897817
>>710897817
>450 to 1
>roughly 2000 rounds between a machine gunner and AG, and thats just with a 7.62 M240.
>fully auto .50 Cal on a tripod would rack up 2 kills a bullet in formations like that from over 800 meters away.
>Also I've killed my share of sand niggers, but you liberal pussies bitch and moan when we kill the fuckin kids and shit
>but what would I know, I'm just a grade six retard grunt
>>710895889
Cops aren't trained how to shoot accurately, just to shoot entire magazine
>>710902586
you kill 4000 in an ideal situation with 50. cal
what about the others?
>>710893567
REDDIT MOVIE LEL
>>710902809
rain hate from mortars, 40mike mike, more fuckin M249 SAW ammo than you can even fuckin count and keep the fuckin weapons on cyclic untill the fuckin barrels melt off. If we knew we were out numbered i know for a fact that me and my brothers would pack more ammo than a fucking destroyer and either starve to death or eat dead fuckin romans.
You fuckers are acting like the romans didnt have range what so ever. If the soldiers were isolated at all they would deal with rocks and oil coming at them 24/7. Whoever thinks that 1000 soldiers can outsleep cycle 400 times that many did not make it very far in school.
>>710901796
>The US army has never won a war
Wew lad
>>710903406
IKR?
Bitch we started our history winning a war.
If one takes in say ww1 as a example of trying to rush a firing line it don't fucking work 99% of the time and that's with guys armed with rifles if the Americans had the Rounds to keep firing they would win
>>710903182
You haven't enough to kill 450 000 men though.
>>710893567
The Romans would proably start worshipping them as a holy army sent by mars
>>710903464
Name one that the US army won.
>>710903464
>Inb4 you had help from the french so it didn't count
>>710900902
No. Stop watching the history channel. Romans did not encounter Chinese black powder.
Greek fire was primitive napalm, it had honey and pine sap in it, and it was already a lost recipe by the time of the rebulicans taking the greek, let alone the empire.
>>710903721
fine, you started your history by winning the war for independance. Doesn't mean 1000 men can kill 450,000 with the supplies they can carry into battle.
>>710903699
The Mexican American war the civil war world war 2 (the Japanese) and soon to be the American eurabian war
>>710903862
I agree that Rome would win but saying they've never won a war is ridiculous
>>710903910
>america won WW2
>>710903993
It didn't lose.
>>710903910
Cute.
>>710903992
Think they mean the US hasn't won a war this century without allies. Spanish American war was the last bit of sucessful imperialism America had
>>710893567
Romans got this. Most people would say Marines, but the Romans aren't retarded. They treat every problem practically. They're not gonna scream about wrath of the Gods shit, they'll just see. "Well, that killed quite a few of our soldiers. Get the siege weapons."
>>710903587
do you know what one claymore will do to a formation? each guy can carry about 6 while still carrying the rest of his shit. not to mention C4 and grenades
and grenades have a kill radius of 15 meters, so each guy lobbin nades and detonating claymores with every single guy as a machine gunner/ mortar man.
Theres a fuckin reason I'm not dead today and thats because the amount of lead I dropped in the maywan district, not because of the amount of people they had.
>>710893567
>US army marines
Wut? Are they army or marines? Are they retarted, or are they retarted and strong?
>>710904066
WW2 was won with British Intelligence, American steel and Russian blood. The battle for the Pacific was won with American Money and German and Russian science.
Not losing isn't convincing enough to get a stars and stripes hardon over. Plus the US cant kill 450000 legionaries
True once Americans run out of bullets then the Romans would win I doubt a modern Marien has the close combat expierinse to fight Romans who only know close combat Romans would win do to sheer numbers
Faggots talking maths lrn2tactics, the army would rout long before 1/2 their numbers are gone. Army would run probably on the 2nd or 3rd volley from the marines
>>710904206
Consider 450,000 people again. And not civillians with russian AK's. One of histories most diciplined soldiers. Plus when the ammo is all gone your kbars and SOCp will not be usable.
No army was that size until The civil war. At best the roman army would be 10 000
Marines rely on a gigantic global logistics network and information exchange and command structures.
Without those, a thousand marines "lost in time" would be completely fucked, even without half a million Roman Soldiers.
If the objective was to turn the Roman Empire into a democracy, then that's the plot for a fucking comedy show, since marines don't know a thing about democracy except how to act in warfare to represent a country which no longer exists then.
The idea is already stupid enough, they should have left out the bit about "democracy"
tl:dr Marines wouldn't stand a chance. All their best shit would be dead because no support, no logistics, no satellite, etc. Even WITH vehicles, it's not like they're going to find a fucking oil refinery or machine oil plant somewhere two thousand years ago.
>>710904489
this
>>710904672
are you retarded
terrible b8
>>710904206
Yes weight if fire alone could probably get the Romans to retreat and maybe even give up the Imperial palace or any other thing the marines want to take, but where are the marines going to go?
They are in Roman times, they can't go home. It's going to resolve into the highlander with marines bidding there magic black murder sticks under cloaks and stuff looking for members of the legendary 450k, so they might one day warp back home once they kill the last one.
>>710904676
what is humour? I am Autismo the faggot
>>710904672
google.com
You don't have to use it, just know that everyone else will.
>>710904533
I'm counting on them being disciplined if they break their formation then the explosives wont be as effective and our chances would decrease. but if they break formation it also means more bullets for less targets because of accuracy issues with machine guns, so if formation wasnt broken then the "Army Infantry" would have more of a shot
also deviled dicks are faggots
Honestly, what would happen would be the marines hole up somewhere and take out a few thousand soliders before the romans realize what's going on at which point, the marine's position would be encircled from a safe distance and they would do what they have always done against entrenched positions and starve them out.
This would go on for a while until the marines see the writing on the wall and then they can die in some last stand if they really want to, but 1,000 marines wouldn't do shit to "bring democracy"
How the fuck would they "bring democracy"? By inventing terrorism?
>>710893567
Half million romans with heavy shields would maybe end up protected, only first row under heavy fire would die, also there are too many of them its like attack from 10sides with 50k soldiers.
But 1000 marines would shoot like crazy and they would kill them verry fast tbh.
I guess the distance is more important, also if romans use horses and regular soldiers to cover up arrows behind them I guess marines would got no chance. Arow is more deadly than a bullet, imagine 100 000 archers firing just 5times, its 500 000 arows.
I would go for romans.
>>710893567
Arminius would fuck both in the ass. Only a German can defeat the imperium. That's a universal rule. My parents gave me the name Armin so I shall defeat the imperium. So I started working for wikileaks and Freicoin in 2013 and still do.
I'm pretty sure the Americas army would have vastly out number the taliban or who ever they were fighting for the past 16 or so years if one takes into acount the size of the army they sent over plus the is the navy/Air Force.what I would like to know is wether the Air Force killed more enemy's or the army I tend to think it was the Air Force who did the most damage
>>710905257
> How the fuck would they "bring democracy"? By inventing terrorism?
Greeks aside, wasn't that how democracy was kind of invented?
>>710905292
heavy shields make more shrapnel when a mortar round lands on your face
also disorients romans
Marines unleash some Shock and Awe. Romans scatter like little bitches.
PS. Romans invented democracy.
>>710896928
American machines are known for their accuracy. American soldiers are so bad that they needed ad semi to their guns because the soldiers used the spray and pray tactic to fucking often.
Marines are the grunt of the military, aka the lowest of the low
>>710905788
Shock and awe not acessable without support, only 1000 mean and what they can carry.
PS. no they didnt
>>710896269
>>710899922
The Roman army at is height was still composed of mostly borrowed soldiers from conquered lands. It would be reasonable for them to run far before they would die for an empire they aren't even technically part of
A thousand Marines 2,000 years ago would be a force to be reckoned with for about 2 to 6 major mission operations dependent on their objective and it would have to be within the span of approximately 2 weeks.
That's at best. The Marines would simply disappear if they were smart. No logistics, no FOOD, no clean WATER. no resupply, etc.
Marines or not, they have already lost. It's only a matter of time.
I think it's been said but it's worth saying again. Modern military relies heavily on our technological and logistical advantage. Without that, it doesn't matter who they are, it's just another fighter.
>>710898746
>Actually wait 3 fucking days and not fuck up the romans with your modern arms
>>710905897
If theres one thing america does well, its bring 1000x more firepower to the job than is actually necessary.
Ask Hiroshima.
>>710905610
This formation would easily outnubmer and win rifles
No one said mortars, but even than, you can shoot to maximum 500meters, .5km would be outrun by romans even in that slow formation verry fast, include horses and attack from 10 sides backed up with arrows.
Seriously they would got no chance.
>>710906127
goes back to not enough ammo to kill 450000 men though doesnt it
>>710905977
"Democracy (Greek: δημοκρατία, Dēmokratia literally "rule of the commoners"), in modern usage, is a system of government in which the citizens exercise power directly or elect representatives from among themselves to form a governing body, such as a parliament.[1] Democracy is sometimes referred to as "rule of the majority"."[2] Democracy was originally conceived in _Classical Greece_, where political representatives were chosen by a jury from amongst the male citizens: rich and poor."
>implying the romans wouldn't start taking and using guns off the already dead marines
>implying the generals wouldn't be leading the charges, shooting off an assault rifle from horseback
>implying they wouldn't accidentally grenade themselves a few times and then learn how to turn them on the marines
All that and numbers give it to the romans, they'll lose more people but they have more expendablity due to numbers
>>710906420
>Implying they instantly figure out what a grenade is and how it works exactly, not blowing themselves up in the process
>>710906400
yep. exactly as i said.
>>710906249
When one SAW gunner empties a drum into that formation in all of 7 seconds, their army will falter and abandon ship.
Fully armed marines= mortars,MG,rockets, Arty unless you consider arty a vehicle, grenades, claymores. AT4, LAW SMAW, M203, 50 CALS, MK19,
>>710906551
Read again dumbass I literally said the same fucking thing but worded different. Learn to read children
They'd eventually get it after Boston marathoning themselves a few times
>>710906249
The thumbnail looks like bottles of soda
>>710906597
Oh my bad. Romans already had democracy.
It's like if the US went back in time to bring fire to the romans.
>>710893567
I think what would happen is the Romans would overwhelm the marines, and take their equipment and forget the third Reich, we'd all be speaking Roman.
Every rifle is an internal combustion engine. The radios would be magical trinkets melted for parts, but the guns would be able to be recognized as machines and backengeineered into engines and other guns, especially after they crucify a few of the marines and torture their secrets out of them.
And hey, they won't even have to do that. There would probably be some marines ready to sing like songbirds at the promise of their life as some shitty little lord somewhere so he can explain how something works.
As for "bringing democracy" haha
>>710906715
Yup my bad, misread that
>>710906899
It's all good, redeemed it with dubs
>>710893567
I think we're forgetting that people on average were like 2' shorter than they are now. Not to mention, all of you neets seem to be underestimating marine hand to hand capability. Maybe these two things aren't the biggest factor here, but i'll tell you what is. The ability to fight in pitch black environments. No ancient army, even at it's height, would stand a chance against 1000 marines.
>>710897711
>a struggle of a few families to gain power
Pretty much the US today
>>710897942
Did not use horses?
Can imagine the discussion: bring the chivalry.
No emperor we do not use horses.
They build streets du have their horses move faster cross the empire
>>710906249
"fully armed"
mortarmen are specific jobs just as machine gunners, basic riflemen, etc are. There'd be a lot of mangled legs in that formation. Would just keep sweeping with 240s.
US military isn't a stranger to superior numbers, but 450k against 1k is unrealistic. Would run out of ammo eventually. Maybe if you had like 800 machine gunners and 200 mortarmen you could take out quite a bit but I think eventually you would get overwhelmed.
It's already been done in GATE, guns beat swords. Although it's hard to say with such a huge number
>>710907089
>marine better at hand to hand than a Roman.
anon pls.
Romans, siege weaponry and numbers.
Zulus proved numbers and decent strategy can overcome technology.
>>710896269
very very underrated
>>710906791
sunkist
>>710903993
Id like you too pay attention to the (the Japanese) I added in not saying we won the whole war against everyone but we did beat the Japanese
all depends on ammunition imo, if you had snipers, gunners etc and unlimited ammo defo marines
here i fixed it for ya dumb op
>>710904676
>What's a joke?
>>710895212
>zeus
>>710908086
well now you get to fix it again.
the romans already had democracy.
>>710893567
1000 men against 450000...
even with modern weapons the marines will lose
(before they run out of ammo they will fuck up a shitload of romans tho)
>>710908898
>What is continuing the joke?
>>710893567
>>710897711
You do realize that the constitution was an attempt to basically copy the roman republic, right?
>>710897843
They absolutely would starve if they did not keep moving. An army the size of New Orleans would starve if they didn't move from farm to farm taking food as they go. If they stop for even a day or go back to a place they already looted they would run out, meaning nobody eats and their fighting capacity is severely diminished.
>>710904676
>Implying the 210 rounds per man standard combat load wouldn't make them an army of the gods; 1000 men * 210 rounds = 210,000, plus explosive weapons, grenades, automatic rifles, et cetera
>implying Marines know less about democracy than you do
>implying Marines are useless without satellites
Jesus, kid. You really, really think you know a lot of things you don't actually know.
What the living fuck is an army marine. Get the fuck out of here. Dont ever disrespect my Marine Corps again
>>710893567
Romans, no contest.
1/2 a million rats could kill 1000 marines
>>710907290
Please, show us all you know about ancient roman hand to hand + melee techniques. Oh what's that? They're N/A because it's a dead civilization, and all we have to go off are thousand year old poorly archived stories of their prowess? Well then where the fuck do you get off telling me whose better at hand to hand?
>>710894697
>You would proby need around 100,000 Marines to topple Rome.
Roman government was toppled several times by a few hundred Praetorian Guards.
>>710909217
Yea cause the empire would totally not fund campaigns with gear supplies and food
>>710895291
>500 hundred
>five hundred hundred
That's a lot of bullets
>>710909376
>Poorly archived stories
>The Romans amount of documenting
Pick one
>>710909393
>The government
>The emperor
Pick one
>>710909283
Marine is just a colloquial word for soldier you autist.
>>710909763
When you're talking about America their is a diffrence though
>>710909695
So when the UK votes in a new Parliament, they say the government changed. And they do. This is a normal, common description of democratic change. But when a bunch of armed men kill the autocratic ruler and pick a new one, who has the power to change more than parliament does, government doesn't change.
That's the pedantic crap you're going with? It's not even good pedantism, that's technically correct.
>>710902586
You know, the romans have that thing they called tactics? No point storming enemy superior in ranged killing on a fucking plains. Get ready to be ambushed.
>>710897993
smart marines would disperse into smaller more mobile groups.
Pick off the leadership first then act like ghosts taking them out from hidden positions.
>>710909763
>Marine is just a colloquial word for soldier you autist.
That's not even remotely true.
Battles don't end when one side is utterly eliminated like we see in video games and movies; they end when one side breaks and runs for it, which typically happens long before even half of an army is killed. Even if the marines didn't have enough bullets for the entire army, the battle would be so dramatically lopsided while it lasted that they'd break and run for it in no time flat, especially if the leadership are sniped and all you have left are terrified conscripts who don't want to die and have nobody around giving them orders.
>>710910077
Because the Romans were masters of guerrilla war, but the Marines don't know anything about it.
>>710909440
The empire couldn't keep up with the demand. Not that they couldn't afford it, but the army marches as fast as the supplies get to them, the army would outpace the supply convoys/ caravans unless they were the aggressors in a siege.
>>710909376
kek anon pls. If a guy spends 25 years doing the same thing every day with nothing else you can bet he's going to be pretty fucking good at it.
I'm not getting off on telling you you are wrong. I'm more then happy to leave you to your ignorance. You are wrong though.
>>710910051
When they vote in new parliament they say the government changes I've never seen a government changing as that I see a government changing as like getting rid of parliament changing to communism somthing bigger than a change in people
>>710910186
>and have nobody around giving them orders.
Here's the killer. Ancient armies were organized by banners, yelling, and (to a limited degree) music. These command elements were small in number and easily identified; so their soldiers could rally to them and know who to listen to.
Easy to spot, easy to shoot.
>>710910323
>I've never seen a government changing as that I see a government changing as like getting rid of parliament changing to communism somthing bigger
Wow.
>>710893567
The marines take one shot, each.
the roman army surrenders. done
If the Marines could bring modern baracades and barbed wire, given the proper set up time to entrench the Marines could hold off any charge. The Marines could shoot down runners caught in wire with machine gun nests ww1 style and use their explosives / artillery on the wooden siege machines the Roman's would inevitably construct to bridge over the trenches and wire.
>>710910507
Holy shit I actually wrote that completely ignore me I'm drunk
>>710908898
The Romans didn't have democracy. They, like America, have a republic.
>>710894363
*women
>>710893567
the United states could easily win just as long as they bought enough food rations and maps
>>710904533
i feel like the 450k number is getting to a size that the human brain cant really comprehend anymore
Implying America can even find Rome.
Or win any war, ever, without an ally.
Not even once.
>>710912219
Your dick cage is showing dude
>>710912219
>Mexican American War
>Spanish-American War
>War of 1812
>Grenada
>Panama
>Philippine Counterinsurgency
>>710912378
>It's the final China vs look at this photograph
I think we all know the awnser
>>710893567
Seeing the hold the normal amount of rounds like >>710894363 said, then they would only have 210,000 bullets against 450,000 soldiers...US loses
>/thread
>>710905897
>American machines are known for their accuracy
i thought they were known for being unreliable pieces of shit
>>710912474
I would also have added the cold war and world war 2 against the Japanese
>>710906055
>the entire reason people joined the army was becuase after 25 years of service you became a roman citizen
>>710912812
>Accurate unreliable pieces if shit
>>710912643
Anon that's a child
>>710906795
dude how stupid are you
the romans had a republic
america has a repubic
greeks had a democracy
fuck you
>>710893567
romans, too many people, not enough bullets or time until they storm you
