I watched Cowspiracy today and now I feel bad for helping to fuck up the planet by eating meat. But I love meat, I eat it most days. Becoming vegan or even vegetarian seems awful. How to reconcile guilt with my love of meat?
>>710361835
be like me, eat meat max one time a week
You could just... not eat meat if you feel guilt about it.
It isn't really necessary to eat animal foods these days either way.
Nobody cares. You don't have the will power to stop a damaging behavior because it's tasty? Kill yourself fat americunt. I don't care what you eat but Jesus Christ don't be a whiny vag about it.
>>710362018
Do you eat the same kind of meat on that one day, each time? What if you want to mix things up? You might need to wait 2+ weeks for the taste of beef. How do you do that?
Do like scavengers do. Only eat the meat that's already dead. Don't buy your own meat, engineer ways for other people to buy it for you.
>>710362113
I guess it's not out of necessity, just enjoyment. But now it is a guilty pleasure.
Just listen to Gary Yourofsky's speach it's on youtube, after you've listened to it you will have no questions.
>>710362125
I don't care if nobody cares, as you say. Enough people care to reply and I find it an interesting topic that most people probably think about at least once in their lives.
>>710361835
Anon, in 100 years you will be dead. Your friends will be dead. All the animals that you or your friends eat between now and then are going to die anyway - you make no difference.
Eat the animals anon. Eventually, nobody will remember your name, there's no reason to be a whiny vegan twat for the rest of your short, insignificant life
>>710362251
do this OP.
>>710362242
Roadkill? I guess that is a solution.
>>710362251
>>710362492
I will check it out, thanks.
>>710361835
I'm going to become a vegetarian as my new years resolution.
>>710362475
This is the mindset I adopt when shit hits the fan at work and it works. But if everyone does this what will the world be like in 100 years? My young son's children and grandchildren will be fucked. Apparently.
>>710362614
Have you had experience with it before? Or other vegetarians? Why are you doing it?
>>710362678
>Everyone is going to die anyway, so why not accelerate the process?
This makes no sense to me.
>>710362678
The fact remains that changing any one thing won't mean that shit won't be fucked in 100 years. We would need to alter global transportation, food consumption on a planetary scale, and energy production, and even then there remains the issue of over-population.
Not eating meat doesn't mean things are going to get even slightly better for the planet. It's a placebo, except it takes away something enjoyable. If you're genuinely interested in helping the planet on a large scale, go work on the ITER or something. Not eating meat changes nothing except for the fact that you can't eat some of your favourite meals, and going vegan is like not eating meat to the power of 7.
>>710361835
Plants have feelings to they even scream. That salad bags for mercy while it gives out bloodcurdling screeches that all th other plants can hear. A salad bar is like a more fucked up version of death row vegans and vegitarians disgust me at least my food is dead and can't feel you bite into its juicy bleeding flesh
>>710362755
One of my best friends is a vegetarian. He isn't one of the whiny kinds. He actually stands up for meat eaters when other vegans/veggies diss them. He does it for his own peace of mind.
I've wanted to go vegetarian for a while, but always thought the food would be shit. Tried a vegan Thai dish and it was so good I could live off it.
Like my friend, I want to do it for peace of mind.
>>710361835
Personally, I just don't care.
>>710363036
>probably bait
majority of plants in the world are used to feed livestock for meat so you are dumb either way kek
>>710362878
You're right, and I recognise that individually I can do nothing to change the course of things. So I agree, why change anything on a personal level. It doesn't make sense to feel guilty, but there are feels there nonetheless.
>>710361835
Just eat less meat, and don't buy meat from big slaughtering corporation.
I know it sounds like leftist teenager bullshit, but that's the truth.
Now that you're going to quote me and ask me how is that even going to remotly change anything, try for a moment not to be faggot, and answer this yourself by keeping in mind that you might be wrong.
I know it's hard, but that's what being intelligent is.
>>710363036
As sarcastic as this is, plants do feel things unlike what vegans would have you think. They drop their leaves before winter because they would otherwise experience frostbite, stop growing altogether if they are too badly wounded and develop poisons to kill off insects that devour them.
But sure, planets are dumb and animals are smarts. Sure vegans. Guilt trip the world over one type of life, and gleefully devour other types of life.
>>710363284
You told somebody to do something, then said that's the truth. I don't think you're using that word correctly, anon. Someone giving an order/suggestion cannot ever be truth.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/truth
>>710363418
Do plants feel pain or fear or anxiety?
>>710361835
Realize vegans are pussies that fuck up the world just as much as a meat eater by eating plants
>>710361835
eat ostrich.
i'm not joking.
its close to beef in taste and texture, much more feed/land efficient to raise than cattle.
its widely available in the uk, you might have to search it out in clapistan though
>>710363043
Interesting. Thanks anon. I have had vegetarian Indian dishes and yes, they are pretty tasty. I guess that lifelong vegetarians are going to invent food which actually tastes good..
>>710363558
I just showed how they did. But sure, now talk about how feeling is only a thing that brains do.
Start hunting for meat. Avoid pitfalls of factory farming and get lots of venison. Hunters have a vested interest beyond i live here to protect the environment.
>>710361835
You could pick up hunting. Helps you get in better shape, can save money on food if you're smart, and if you have good aim and abide by laws and regulations, you can ensure that whatever you eat dies quickly and humanely.
If doing that seems like way too much effort, which you would be forgiven for thinking, just consider the fact that although your food may reach you through inhumane means, there will be no change in the number of animals that suffer and/or die if you remove yourself as the consumer/demand.
Unless you personally organize a massive movement of hundreds of thousands - millions, even - to stop eating meat, your choice to continue to indulge in meat-eating changes nothing, and kills no more creatures.
If you still feel guilty, then the obvious conclusion would be to just stop eating meat.
>>710363418
what exactly do you think the cattle you eat eats ? oh thats right plants, and way more than humans consume. good job retard
>>710363606
That was a legitimate question. You really didn't show anything, those could all just be biological/instinctive responses, not caused by stress or any kind of negative "emotion." Maybe they are, I really don't know. That's why I asked. I don't know why I'm asking you, you probably don't know shit.
>>710361835
Vegans hate any suffering of animals, but don't mind sweatshops and slave labor.
>>710362251
Watched The best speach you will ever hear whilst hungover af. Made me vegan
>>710363284
I think less meat is probably the way I'd go. And I am ashamed to admit I don't know where my meat comes from, source wise. It is supermarket bought so likely the worst kind.
>>710363768
I don't know friend. When people explain that they eat meat because animals also eat meat in nature, vegans point out that's not a reason for humans to do the same ...
Cattle eat plants? Ducks also rape their females. So what?
>>710363588
I'm an ausfag and haven't heard of ostrich meat being a thing.
>>710363683
Good conclusions anon, thanks.
just be a resonable consumer.
don't eat only meat for every meal.
and try buying better meat with a better background.
this is not a binary decision.
Do what you want I guess. It won't matter though. The demand for meat is so high that a billion people could become vegan tomorrow and the industry would still get along just fine without them.
>>710363768
The point is that life consumes life to survive and that all life is essentially equal over a long enough time frame you silly cunt.
Chase a cow to the age of a cliff. Gently walk toward cow as he nears the edge. Talk gently to cow and promise to let him go if he let's you neat him.
If he does let you near, leave her be. If she jumps eat some delicious guilt free beef from a suicidal cow.
Buddhists, native americans and whole foods suppliers do this.
>>710363683
>>710364059
Nope, that's bullshit. Being vego, your friends start to consider the possibility that not every fucking meal they eat has to be meat. Your girlfriend or waifu will stop eating meat when she's eating with you out of respect.
There is a pretty wide spread splash from a single person becoming a vego.
>>710363986
maybe try emu then.
>>710363772
Feelings are responses to the environment, and plants clearly respond to the environment all the time. They drop limbs when they get sick, they drop leaves to avoid frostbite, and they suffer when people strip bark off them to make things.
And call it responses if you wish. I don't think it changes anything.
>>710363683
I absolutly agree with the hunting part.
I also agree with the effort.
however you are wrong in saying that buying no or less meat has no impact on the industry.
It is not that there is this huge industry and people buy meat (or anything) because somebody has to do it.
supply and demand. the demand makes the industry.
you as a consumer have a certain power
>>710364208
Gender fluid cow.
Mind ya pronouns, mate.
>>710364338
Go and plant your feet in the dirt, you god damned dirty scientologist cunt.
>>710361835
here is a life pro tip: do whatever the fuck you want.
>>710364396
Found the angry vegan with no arguments.
>>710361835
how about you stop being a faggot
those animals were raised specifically for you to eat and would not have even existed if you weren't going to eat them.
>>710364126
Utter bullshit, you silly fuckhole.
1 billion people becoming vegan at once would complete fuck them over within a week or two.
Here's the thing pal. If you find a local sustainable farm buy meat from them. I do strongly suggest you cut down on your meat consumption and this new mindset could help. You're not supposed to eat meat every day, used to be pap pap would kill a chicken every sunday and THAT is when people ate meat. We are herbivore leaning omnivores like a dog is a carnivore leaning omnivore. So go buy that quality expensive meat once a week that's not destroying the planet, and enjoy your sins:) Also I'm a vegetarian and its pretty chill, Indian food is gud
>>710361835
The world is yours anon, the animals are there to make you happy, just like a toy. Dont feel guilt, you should only care about yourself. Meat tastes good, meat makes you happy, keep on eating it.
>>710364489
Not if they had gardens
>>710364502
You are mindless filth
>>710364497
how are dogs omnivores?
>>710364208
Kek
>>710364433
Found the moron trying to justify slaughtering billions of animals to inefficiently feed a bunch of selfish cunts unhealthy meat, by saying "BUT MUH PLANTS DAY HEF FEELINS TOO MAAA".
>>710364466
Best cycle of life.
>>710364552
We put rice and carrots in their food yes? There are naturally vegetarian dogs in India. Dogs only exist from wolves eating our scraps and building bonds. Even wolves eat shit out of the ground as well as herbs and grasses for their stomach. You dumb.
>>710363964
>appeal to nature phallacies kek
my point was animal agriculture consumes more plants than humans do, and if your argument is that plants feel pain too you are causing it by both ends eating meat that ate loads of plants
Why are people saying that the act of the individual doesn't matter?
It matters, a lot, both by passive spreading of belief (see OPs chill vegetarian mate) and because it actually helps, however small it is.
That said, try keeping to to poultry and game for starters, and eat less and less meat. When you do eat meat, try to give it a luxury feel.
>>710364615
When did I say I eat meat?
>>710361835
I eat at least a half a pound of meat every single day. It's normal, it's natural, get over it.
You'd be a protein and amino acid deficient little 115lb weenie without it and atherosclerosis is 90% genetic and a simple blood test can tell you if you're developing it or not.
Beyond that, fuck these people trying to shame you for "destroying the planet", watch another 10 of those such documentaries; on carbon emissions, on fracking, etc. You'll start to realize just how bullshit it is.
They all run a similar theme; self-hating defeatists who have no respect for how our species got where it is and why we even have a fucking planet to begin with.
I hope they all get eaten by bears or lions. Seriously.
>>710364659
Again, when did I say I eat meat?
>>710362799
It makes all the diff-erence in the world.
>>710364615
so rude. was curious
>>710361835
stop being such a pussy, scro. we're humans, it's what we do, we fuck shit up and then we die. eventually this spinning toilet will become uninhabitable, but that's for future generations to worry about. right now, you need to go out into a field, find a wild cow, fuck it to death, then eat its corpse. it's the only way.
>>710361835
> I eat it most days.
That sounds insane to me. So, all of your every day meals consist of 90% meat for real? i'm not a vegetarian nor vegan but this is nuts. That's sound kinda boring to eat only meat every day. For instance today I had for breakfast greek salad and for lunch potato hash.
>>710364686
i don't know who you are, but i will find you, and i will buy you a gigantic slab of veal.
>>710364714
refer to your first post very negative attitude toward veganism and defending this plants feel pain too bullshit
>>710364856
where the fuck did he say 90%? also, greek salad is for faggots.
>>710363418
Whhaaattt theee fuuuccckk.
These are straight forward evolutionary responses, developed over hundreds of millions of years to long term, predictable changes. Animals do this shit too, unconsciously, without feeling it.
Pain and other feelings are consciously acknowledged responses to transient stimuli. Plants don't have these in any way more than "if this bit gets touched, change this bit."
>>710364856
Probably 4 or 5 days a week. Usually once that day.
>>710364659
>>710364941
Animal agriculture is mass genocide of feeling planets. Just as the meat industry is mass genocide of feeling animals.
But it's wrong to justify veganism by saying "we don't eat animals, so there". But truthfully, I am waiting for the day when we don't need to eat living things to survive.
>>710364993
I'm not supporting this notion, but I am supporting having an open mind. They are of completely different makeup, therefore their experience of feeling pain could be undetectable and inconceivable to us as humans.
>>710364686
http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/70/3/516s.full#T3
Greatest and most comprehensive study ever done on mortality rates between vegetarians and meat eaters. Despite the fact that smokers and drinkers were much more common in the meat eaters group, there will still only a few diseases that non-vegetarians suffered at lower rates (colon cancer being the biggest)
Overall though, THE VEGANS ACTUALLY HAD A HIGHER DEATH RATE THAN THE NON-VEGANS!
Cram that study down every vegans throat that you ever meet.
Also tell them, that for every animal they don't eat, you are going to eat 3;
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YAGZ6jSf45A&feature=youtu.be
ierwuf
Go vegan, OP. It's literally impossible that people will be able to keep eating meat, dairy and eggs. By 2048 we will see fishless oceans if people try. Be one of the first to try to save the planet.
There are tons of vegan versions of your favorite foods - cheese, hot dogs, burgers, chicken, fish sticks, chicken nuggets. There's a lot of variety on the market. Some of them are shit but many are really quite good. Companies are constantly coming out with new versions that taste even better.
Don't try to suppress your conscience, it's not healthy.
>>710364552
WHY YOU NO CONTINUE DRILLING THIS IS MY PASSION NIGER
>>710365116
Fair enough, it is probably worth more investigation on smart people's part.
>>710361835
After I watched it I went out and got the biggest burger I could find
>>710365165
good man good man! TOOT YOUR HORN
>>710364489
You can think what you like. Doesn't make any less wrong though.
>>710361835
Just eat less of it. Look at the portions that Euros and slants eat, there is a huge difference in most cases compared to Americans. You can help just by eating less of it. And if you want, you could drop meat entirely once you've made this change.
I will eat meat until the day I die most likely, but my portions will be lean and won't be Americanized.
>>710365165
Fuck yes dude.
>>710365165
kek
only honkys care about that stuff
>>710365420
The voice of reason!
>>710364615
Found the moron trying to justify slaughtering trillions of plants to inefficiently feed a bunch of selfish cunts unhealthy plants.
Why don't you hypocrites just live off of superior vitamin and protein supplements already?
>>710364279
>>710364382
You're points are both valid, and I concede them. My intention was not to say that going veg is incorrect or has no effect. I eat meat, but less of it, for both health and ethical reasons, and also try to get organic stuff from reputable sources, but I don't feel like my decision alone to eat or not eat meat significantly upsets the balance of supply and demand.
That having been said, I should have added to my post the importance of going lighter on the meat, as well as buying from reputable and ethical companies. Sometimes you can even buy from local butchers who buy meat from hunters or locally source their meat.
While buying from different companies or ceasing the consumption of meat for one person doesn't stop unethical slaughterhouse procedures from occurring altogether, I suppose it is important to avoid supporting them financially, and to be one part of a greater whole that chooses to be responsible in purchasing meat.
Thanks for calling me on a poorly-made point.
>>710364615
Innocence is a human concept. There isn't such a thing in the nature. Animals have no mercy to weak. Why humans should have it? Besides, without humans all cows, chickens and so on would cease to exist. Thus we only help them.
>>710365420
Heaps of euro countries pound meat down for every god damned meal. Meat and cheese all day. Fucking disgusting. They have their entire cultures revolve around their awful, traditional, bullshit food.
>>710365577
wat?
>>710361835
Invest in synthetic meat.
>>710361835
Eating less meat is easy if someone cooks for you. My gf is mostly vegetarian (eats meat maybe once a month) and intially I wasn't too happy about it, but now I see I was very wrong. When you learn to cook vegetarian dishes, you realize how much you've been missing out on by focusing on meat so much. Don't get me wrong, I fucking love meat and I had a nice steak just last Saturday. But I no longer feel like I have to eat meat for lunch or dinner every day. It's just a matter of what you're used to.
http://qz.com/91123/vegetarians-live-longer-but-its-not-because-they-dont-eat-meat/
“Veg out! Another study finds vegetarians live longer than meat-eaters.” I saw that headline (and others) this week and I read: “Media misunderstand science (again).”
Except there is no correlation. All of those biased studies showing that vegans live longer are just making estimations based on what they consider predictive considerations, all based on opinionated, biased bullshit (E.G. meat causes heart disease, therefore..., etc, etc). When you live at the actual numbers, you know, reality, they actually die younger as a group than the meat eaters.
>>710365597
Wassa matta you?
You no likea salami for breakfast?
>>710365647
What exactly you don't understand?
>>710365597
Wow. you sound like a typical, "tolerant" vegan edgelord. murder yourself and donate your body to arby's, cunt.
>>710365597
I've been to a couple countries in Europe, and there is still a difference between America and Europe in portions. That is not to say that there are countries that don't eat like America, but there is a reason there is a stereotype for us - though we aren't the fattest country anymore, crazy as it is.
>>710361835
I'm a vegetarian, have been for 12 years. Not a bad way of life and if you cheat every now and again it's still better than eating meat consistently.
>>710365577
Are you retarded?
>>710365165
All that really means is that we'll see plenty of starvation in the years ahead.
>>710365749
innocence isn't a human thing, we just value it.
animals are merciful to weaker animals, if they can be useful.
and without humans, animals would continue to change and evolve entirely on their own. you are not needed.
>>710365848
>and if you cheat every now
How dare you call yourself vegetarian after that shit?
>>710365533
That's cool man. The reason why you feel your efforts have no impact is because, socially, there's a huge difference between the conversation that arises when someone figures out you're a vego, and the conversation that arises when someone figures out you eat less meat. The latter's probably not gonna happen very often, 'cause no one will notice or give a flying fuck. The former will invariably be a shit fight of "BUT BACON SO GOOD" lines over and over, before they go home and realise that their doctor told them months ago to eat less meat to stave off that pesky case of diabetus.
My point is, and I'm sure I've failed to express it in any way, that when people see a vego doing their thing, it instills the notion of not always eating meat maybe isn't so terrible.
>>710365577
Aneurysm?
Also: Just like we did a bunch of black people a favour by allowing them to be born into slavery?
What the fuck kind of re... Must be an aneurysm.
>>710365790
>donate your body to arby's
mein sidens.
>>710366013
You make a good point. I hadn't thought about it that way. Thank you for offering a different perspective.
>>710361835
What fucking faggot you are go back to your land of giving a shit about people and animals that care about you.
>>710364489
No, they would just downsize but their profit margins would stay the same.
Also, there's a reason 4 billion people on this planet go hungry every day. Meat and preservatives are the primary reason why places like the U.S. are able to eat and live as robustly as they do.
>>710366013
I don't want to assume, but I am assuming you live in 'merica.
Where I live, nobody really cares what diet you choose to have. Sure, there are people who visit a steakhouse every few days and order an inch-thick prime steak and finish it (eyaahhg).
What worries me is how some vegans/vegos approach me about how I occasionally eat meat and tell me how bad of a person I am. But when watching them eat, I notice how little vegis and fruits they eat. They are so thin and have so little energy.
I care more about their health than their diet.
>>710365165
Vegan versions of "regular" food are all hot fucking trash.
If I want vegetarian or vegan, I just have Indian food. Much better when it's supposed to be vegan/vegetarian from the start rather than shoehorned weak bs versions of other food.
Jesus Fuck at all these comments. Since when the hell did /b/ become such a bunch of boohoohoo oh those poor animals and the planet bunch of fucking pussies.
Or is it just that the rest of us don't even want to bother with you anymore. You're so damn full of shit that we'd rather leave you alone to just be a bunch of circle jerkers.
>>710361835
Just realize the fact that if you go vegan/vegetarian it won't help at all. Like it won't have any effect whatsoever other than make it really hard to find a place to eat and annoy people when they have to make special meals for you.
>>710366636
>>710365930
>and without humans, animals would continue to change and evolve entirely on their own. you are not needed.
The thing is that the predecessors of cattle are died out centuries ago. Without human interference there wouldn't be such a thing as cow today. Furthermore, most domestic animals were bred the way they produce more meat, wool etc. In the wild without human protection and care they wouldn't survive.
>>710361835
these shit documentaries are always made to make you feel bad. welcome to 2016, youre now a cuck of the land, enjoy your
>1st world guilt
>white guilt
>meat eaters guilt
>>710366516
Its probably because your vegan friends are cunts, and cunts don't like to get stuffed.
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Nullify the vegetarian moral crusade: For every animal you don't eat, I'm going to eat three.
Game over.
ITT: Veganfaggots act like they have a moral high ground because they don't eat meat. While normal anons just want to try to live healthier
Eat what -you- want. It's your body.
>>710366725
correct. some animals have been bred to suit us. but we only domesticated about a dozen or so unique animals
every other animal isn't useful to us, and has continued to live separate from us. until we fuck their homes up, in which case they don't continue to live.
>>710366725
Put a chicken in the wild. It'll be dead by nightfall.
My grandfather told me that once while I was fixing his fencing
>>710361835
Realize that, even if you stopped eating meat for the rest of your life, there are billions of Chinese that will take up the slack and you're little "personal stand" you're taking doesn't mean shit so don't feel guilty about it. Enjoy your steak. :^)
>>710362242
Dumpster diving?
>>710366636
It's just a discussion, friend. An exchange of opinions and information - and information is best learned and exchanged when done clearly and politely.
Shitflinging and insults rarely seems to work as an effective way to get people to look at things from your point of view.
>>710362125
You cared enough to join this thread.
Why, cancer?
some retard I know had the same thing happen
>watch this retarded documentary
>slowly stop eating meat
>stop consuming dairy
>stop consuming animal products in general
>keeps getting drunk
>eats all kinds of bacon and cheese
>a month passes
>back to eating dairy
>back to eating eggs
>back to eating meat soon
I watched it. The fact that environmentalists/vegans believe that a handful of people not consuming animal products is going to dumpster entire industries is laughable. Developing an eating disorder will solve nothing. Hear me, veganism is an eating disorder. They stress over the nutrition label (as a concept; "does this have meat in it?") for all the wrong reasons. Rather than be concerned for their health they figure butter is sacrilege.
Here's what they don't do:
>get blood tests (except for AIDS)
>have a balanced diet
>understand macro and micro nutrients
Here's what they do:
>get AIDS
>protein deficiency
>specific vitamin overload
>specific vitamin deficiency
Fuck you. Eat a healthy and balanced diet. If you're a vegan, hire a professional dietician (or better yet, a psychologist for your repressed homosexuality) before you poison your mind and body.
>>710366516
Not America. Thank fuck.
Most people here seem to care enough to ask the basic dumb questions, like "how do you even protein?"
But at the same time, most people here already know a few vegos, so they're a bit comfy with the idea already. It's a god damned numbers game, I tells ya.
Here, I've never met a confrontational vegan/vego yet. I have met tens of confrontational meat-eaters who will not leave you alone about your own god damned business, and insist on trying to convince you back into their shitty fat team, with the promise of bacon.
I'll say it: Bacon isn't that good.
The thing I find hilarious whenever this non-issue of meat eating bad-or-good comes up is that if not for eating meat as a primary form of sustenance over the centuries, none of these animals would even be here. They would have gone extinct long ago.
I had this thought for the first time when I was very young and saw a peta video where they showed a chicken in a field looking all free and "natural", and the narrator says something along the lines of "Chickens have feelings, have families and were meant to live safe and healthy lives."
and I just busted out laughing because chickens are so fucking defenseless and useless that there is no way they would have survived natural selection. They would go extinct within the very first few generations that we stopped breeding them.
>>710366465
No, meat is the reason the third world has to go hungry; because we feed perfectly good, nutritional grain to animals as feed. Only for them to convert it to flesh at some abysmal ratio.
>>710367322
This. People who drone on and on about how unfathomably amazing bacon is are the worst
A lot of the facts and numbers that they bring up are factually incorrect, as with most if not all other doomsday "documentaries" out there.
> 51% of the green house gases comes from meat farms
This is one of their base claims. This number, 51%, where does it come from?
Well, it is taken from a study produced by World Watch Institute which has been severely questioned by every single real scientist out there.
The UNs own study showed that only 17,5% of the green house gases can be contributed to meat. This is an enormous difference.
> Meat is the biggest reason of the deforestation of the Amazon
This just isn't true. Less meat is produced in the Amazon then ever, palm oil is the main reason they continue to bring down a shit tonne of trees in the Amazon.
> 1000 liters of water is required to produce one liter of milk.
So? 86,3% of that number is rain water.
> Vegan diet produces as little as half the green house gases.
Not true if you want to eat cucumbers, green leaves and tomatoes. Can be true if you only eat beans and legumes.
But calorie for calorie, bacon produces less toxins in the ground, less CO2 and less environmental effects caused by shipping than salads. You need to eat a lot of salads to sustain yourself but not a lot of meat.
The problem is that we eat too much meat, not that we eat meat. But that's why the western world is getting fatter.
Also, switching to a vegan diet would kill about 3 billion people, we just can't feed everyone.
Who is willing to give up their spot? I know I'm not.
>>710367322
>Here, I've never met a confrontational vegan/vego yet
are you even reading this thread, faggot?
>>710366636
Oh, shit, sorry, bud. Let's just post some more le memes and gore. lol nice werk oldf/a/g
>>710367322
I've never met a healthy vegan. I tried to help one out, he was attempting to gain weight with just pasta. I suggested olive oil, avocado, rice, beans, eggs, and whole milk.
I also ate his liver with fava beans and a nice chianti. Total garbage, went vegan shortly after.
>>710366825
Not your planet, though, you irresponsible shit-stain.
>>710367517
I think he's referring to people irl, anon
>>710367322
Well I didn't need to ask anything. They just flat out started telling me about how vegans eat.
I was more concerned about that she "doesn't eat". Enough. Of the vegis and fruit.
I swear, a typical dinner for her was literially a tea saucer with a few cherry tomatos and a tiny helping of a salad. Like, you do need to eat, so at least eat enough food ....
And you can't talk it. So ... I don't know ...
>>710367517
Hi, have you met the word 'met'?
This is 4chan, everyone is confrontational.
>>710361835
Reconcile guilt? What?
Eat meat, be happy, stop your beta whimperings.
>>710367642
Yeah, there are retards on both side of the fence like this though.
>>710367467
The reason they starve is because they aren't us. It doesn't matter what kind of food it is. There's no incentive to businesses to feed millions of non-countrymen for free. And charities don't even stem the tide.
>>710367467
http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=grill
'Mmm, savor that delicious guilt. We know you all love guilt tripping yourself. And yes, we know it's because of what... he... did to you when you were a child.
Go cry us a river to fish in.
I turned into a vegan to get at this one white girl.
It was worth it.
>>710367410
What has our fuckery with the process of natural selection got to do with anything? How is that even supporting your argument?
Yes, we've practically invented these freaks of nature. But we force them them to reproduce, and then force their spawn into the industry. Even if they wouldn't exist (now) without us, it doesn't mean we have to totally fuck up their everything as repayment.
>>710361835
https://discord.gg/hhdYE
come visit gay general.
>>710367958
Pic from page for anyone to lazy to copy/paste and/or read
>>710361835
>Eat meat daily
>MFW increasing the c02 in the environment and speeding up the Apocalypse
Can't wait
>>710367986
She sure looks fat for a vegan. Oh, that's right, most of them still eat meat, just secretly like a guy jacking off at work.
>>710361835
> How to reconcile guilt with my love of meat?
No matter what you do, the rise of countries like China and India who individually are of a similar size to the western world will end the world as we know it, you can do nothing to change this.
>>710368050
This argument is completely retarded since it ignores that you have to eat something, and animals are fed plans. So eating animals kills those animals, plus tons of other ones, including many more of those ones.
>>710367467
Here in America we throw away more grain than we eat, we feed live stock half of the grain we eat, but these are bullshit facts I just made up. I do live in one the biggest agricultural hubs in America I know for a fact(because I've been to the organic dump) that we mulch(basically let it rot), 1000 of tons of crops a day.
>>710367410
Well they did survive, otherwise we wouldn't been able to domesticate them
>>710361835
Eat moar meat. Forget about it, life is short.
>>710361835
Not eating meat is weird. PERIOD.
Don't let some documentarian spinning 2+2=5.
As a theist, I don't have to rely on the flawed nonsense that protein deficient effeminate men say.
>>710367986
And of course she uses macs. I would had bet my nuts on that even if it weren't in the pic.
>>710368116
LMAO you think she's fat?
let me show you some other pics
>>710367958
Not sure I follow. Nice theatrics though?
>>710368187
>>710361835
Don't be a self-defeating prick. Cows are too dumb to round us up for breeding and slaughter, but we are so why not. We're at the top of the food chain for a reason, don't fuck it up by becoming a skittish shit-tier animal like deer.
>>710368299
For a meat eater she's normal. For a vegan she's chub.
>>710368341
So chickens were just lucky? We managed to find them JUST as they started existing?
That was a lucky stroke for mankind then. "Shit, the first chicken was born yesterday, lucky thing I grabbed it or it would've died off".
>>710368289
>> iPhone
>> macs
I'm a god damned android evangelist and even I acknowledge that iPhones are a hugely popular phone.
No proof she owns a mac though, which I agree, are for idiots.
>>710368115
>>710368289
I agree she is stupid as fuck but that's what turns me on :)
>>710368498
Yeah man, I'm glad my neighbour grabbed that Pug dog before they went extinct, wonder what they ate in the wild?
>>710367958
>We know you all love guilt tripping yourself. And yes, we know it's because of what... he... did to you when you were a child.
I've had that theory before. Every vegan I've ever met had that same sort of borderline personality disorder thing going on. You know that "I used to cut myself on antidepressants but then I realized I needed to do some soul searching, and when I [insert long winded story that could literally go on for hours]"
>>710362878
Actually a bunch changes with not eating meat. Significant drop in global warming, cost of food, and general waste.
>>710361835
>How to reconcile guilt with my love of meat?
By not watching bias docs on the meat industry
>>710368474
that was back when she was drinking liquor and doing drugs
>>710368638
It's a coincidence then, just like how ancient hoomans grabbed the first chicken-bird!
>>710367500
As the world environment gets worse (and it's a fact that (especially large scale) meat-prodcution uses more resources than veggies), we will be denying humans life as well. 3 billions might not be enough to count them, might well be only the 2% making the cut in the end.
>>710367186
> If you're a vegan, hire a professional dietician (or better yet, a psychologist for your repressed homosexuality)
This is fucking great, I'm going to have to steal that line
>>710363865
I'm a butcher at a super market and there is organic/sustainable/local meat products available at most big box stores. If there isn't where you live, go to a butcher shop.
>>710361835
Good news, buying meat is helping keep the industry alive and a lot of the species that are frequently eaten are never going to go extinct because of that
>>710368935
Neither of those options will be cheap though.
>>710368812
>world environment gets worse
kek, the funny thing about climate change is that it is a natural process. Yes we MIGHT be speeding it up but tectonic plates are always moving, changing land formations, water/air currents and thus weather. The planet is a dynamic system
>>710368648
Only vegans who weren't raised vegan are like this. If you weren't raised vegan, being a full-on devoted one is about as abnormal and attention-seeking as you can get.
Best thing to say to a vegetarian...
"So you're an atheist?"
They'll say... what? No!
Then you say... "ummm, so you're a muslim? Hindu?"
They'll say ... what? No!
Then you say ... well, your not a jew or christian, so what is your belief?
They'll say... I am Christian, but I don't go to a church.
You say...Jews and Christians both accept Genesis as scripture. In the very beginning it says eating animals is completely acceptable.
They'll say... What? Hurr... durr...derp..niner...
Happens every time. They show they have never cracked open The Bible
Shit is Bible 101 and they are completely stumped.
>>710369523
>Best thing to say to a vegetarian...
>"So you're an atheist?"
>They'll say... what? No!
In my country there's a much higher chance they would say yes, or I'm agnostic.
One day every species alive will become extinct, just like countless ones before them.
One day the Earth itself will fall out of orbit and we would have had nothing to do with it.
Live or don't, just leave the planet out of your arguments. The planet couldn't care less about us and more than everything our survival as a species will involve combating these two most significant things;
1) Overpopulation
2) The risk of plagues and epidemics because of which, combined with a possible third (if science can not keep up) 3) the fact that bacteria are growing immune to antibiotics.
At some point, all species that overpopulate are struck with some sort of disease or environmental change that reduces their population drastically, or makes them extinct.
>>710369523
I prefer explaining to them why it is bad through biochemistry and not sky wizard fairy tales
>>710369664
I think someone has been watching to many Science Channels
>>710369664
If I were POTUS and had support from my top generals (they'd realistically stop me otherwise, regardless of executive powers) I would, and I'm serious...
Push that fucking button.
Goodbye to South America and the Middle East.
Go out and kill it yourself. I'm serious. When you down a deer, you have humanely killed and animal that got to live a full and free life in the wild. It doesn't get more free-range. Plus it tastes better.
>>710367614
Okay, Hannibal.
>>710361835
I am vegetarian and avoid dairy products because they increase your testosterone and I am a faggot.
If you are just some guy that eats meat, just be ignorant, don't look up what happens to the animals, just keep enjoying your meat :3
>>710369664
>all species that overpopulate are struck with some sort of disease or environmental change that reduces their population drastically, or makes them extinct.
Please let it be flies, or ants, or cockroaches ... please
>>710370395
They don't overpopulate their environments, they try to overpopulate ours and then we kill them.
So nope. Not going to happen. Not naturally, anyway.
>>710361835
Eat red meat only two days a week, fish on Fridays. If it was good enough for most of European history its good enough for you.
The idea of 'meat with every meal' is a result of our relatively luxurious modern lives, not a necessity.
>>710363605
Not if you count paneer with spinach
>>710370290
>I am vegetarian and I am a faggot.
Too many words anon, I am a Vegetarian would have sufficed.
>>710365533
then we are 100% on the same page.
>>710371638
true kek
>>710361835
If you feel guilty, stop meating.
Or you could just not give a fuck, since you stopping meat consumption won't change anything in the big picture.
>>710366516
German here.
I've been a vegetarian for about 10 years and eat meat conciously and in moderation for about two years now.
I was never making a huge deal about this but when somebody found out about it or just was reminded about it (looking at my plate when grilling) things got ugly quite a bit.
the acceptance is way bigger but it definitly has something to do with your suroundings.
when I was working for a power company during the semester break a few years back there were about 6 different meals in the cantina every day.
all of them had meat.
when I asked for something meat free the staff was baffeld.
not only the guys that hand out the food but the girl at the register also didn't know how to handle this.
so every one of the thousand workes there eats meat every day.
on one day there was some pastadish that shouldn't contain meat, bute when I went to the counter there was a handwritten note added " now with added bacon"
I'm super sure somebody complained.
>>710367186
I'm pretty sure you are very dedicated to your healthy diet
>>710361835
Don't be a fucking bitch