Being right-wing makes no sense unless your rich.
Prove me wrong.
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>>710346971
>your
>>710346971
>left wing
>cant spell
checks out
>>710346971
You'll make more money when all three economic classes are doing well, and not just the upper class.
This is why millionaires and billionaires are often liberal. They understand this basic economic fact is true. (ie, More economic activity = more chances to make money)
Too bad the rightwingers are so tax obsessed they don't see this... Id' rather pay a little more in taxes to make a LOT more money. Economics 101 stuff, really.
>>710346971
>>710346971
You'll make more money when all three economic classes are doing well, and not just the upper class.
This is why millionaires and billionaires are often liberal. They understand this basic economic fact is true. (ie, More economic activity = more chances to make money)
http://www.forbes.com/sites/gregoryferenstein/2016/02/26/a-lot-of-billionaires-are-giving-to-democrats-heres-a-data-driven-look-at-their-agenda/#57276409235c
Lefties are degenerate children with authority issue and that includes most of the super rich.
>>710346971
Trickle down economics
>>710346971
dang I guess I'm with her now
>>710347493
Tell that to sweden
>>710348156
>slam both
>>710347866
About as real as tooth fairy based redistribution
>>710346971
Hello kike. 1 shekel has been deposited into your bank account for making me reply.
Sadly 2 shekels have been removed for this appalling shill attempt.
>Gas yourself
>>710350840
why is that germans have been killing jews forever--you learn in college history that the germans used to round up all the jews they owed money to in the 16th century or something and burn them alive in public? really. i have the printed book.--and then, 1 jew can beat millions of you? you must be as dumb as insects.
>>710351002
added: i mean really though... you build western civilization, bring a bunch of niggers here, steal this continent, and 5 jews end up owning everything that makes all the money. HOW FUCKING RETARDED ARE YOU?
go discover 10 new solar systems... 12 jews will take them away from you.
>>710346971
I think it makes sense to have a decent culture but the liberals seem to think that as long as they have cheap money things will be better than the conservatives would make it.
>>710351002
>>710351081
2 more shekels have been removed from your bank account for your crying like a little kikess.
>lampshade yourself
>>710346971
It makes sense if your shit broke and somehow fooled yourself into thinking you're gonna be rich someday
Or if you actually think trickle-down economics works
>>710346971
aint no poor man ever hired me for a job
>>710347278
He spelled correctly though, he just used the wrong word. If I said "left" but meant to say "right" you wouldn't say that I misspelled anything.
Funny how people are so quick to call others out on stupidity and make themselves look dumb in the process.
>>710346971
right wing capitalism does not, but right wing socialism is ideal or the working class, theoretically.
The political spectrum cannot be defined on a right left scale; it needs a top down axis as well.
The right wing system in place within the US, Russia, and other corpotocracies favors the already wealthy and aims to maintain and strengthen the divisions between social and economic classes.
However, right wing systems can also favour socialist constructs, such as Nazi Germany, or Stalin's Russia, which (for the most part) eliminated class altogether, and aimed to strengthened the workers.
Fascism, though Right wing, is not capitalism, and actually shares many of the same tenets as far left socialism in terms of economic and industrial control being given over the the government.
>>710351312
>I'll let them take all the money and feed me tiny bits of it every friday
pleb
Cheap money = cheap culture. Left wing promotes cheap money.
The culture cost liberalism has brought is not unrecognised by me.
>>710346971
You clearly don't grasp what being a Republican or "right-wing" is about.
There is much more to subscribing to the Republican ideology versus the Democrat ideology than just money.
-Big government vs. Small government
A lot of people feel it's unnecessary or inappropriate to be taxed in, say Virginia, and having their money go to a federal government who decide to pay for a school somewhere in ghetto-ass Chicago.
-States Rights vs. Federal Indoctrination
People are naturally more invested in their immediate community than they are in people they've never met. The US is a melting pot of values, beliefs, norms and who is the Federal Government to tell a bunch of Catholic nuns in the middle of Nowhere, US that they HAVE to pay for contraceptives or abortions for their employees even if they have no one who would actually USE these services?
Schools? It's takes a community to raise a kid and if that community doesn't give a fuck about them, why should I, 400 miles away, give a fuck about them? There are plenty of children in my community that I can decide to contribute to directly through fundraisers or direct donations.
The implication that "everyone is equal" is a nice feel-good sentiment, but the reality is that some people don't give a fuck about their community let alone anyone else. I would rather pay double in taxes to my state and nothing to the federal government because at least I know my money would go towards something that will directly better my life whether it be road, education for the growing young adults in my proximity, or police forces for my area.
The federal government has proven time and again that it is grossly inefficient and, time and again, they've taken billions from one community and dumped it into another where people pay nothing and don't give a fuck enough to actually progress themselves so why should I give a fuck about them?
At least my state is more likely to have my values, belief systems, and ethics in mind.
>>710347278
> Spells word correctly
> Looking this fucking dumb
>>710346971
can't spell so inbreed rightwing trumpbot detected
but yes, nothin' more ridiculous than a rightwing poor.
>>710346971
Being left-wing makes no sense unless you are dirt poor.
The dems just want to take more and more from the middle class and hard working people and give it to bums. Fuck that.
>>710352048
Again he didn't make a spelling error dipshit. Misusing 'your' is a grammatical error not a spelling error. It's so cute to see you bark like trained dogs when you're just as wrong as the people you're barking at.
>>710351214
You know, Squealing 'Jew!' All the time isn't really a counter argument, it just makes you look like an idiot?
>>710352276
could look at it as either grammatically wrong or you could say the spelling is wrong.
If you meant to spell you're but wrote your then its a typo.
But if you use your in the stead of you're then its grammar.
I make around 110k a year, so I'm not poor, but not rich. I'm voting for trump on the slight chance he can actually do what he says and lower my taxes, which altogether add up to around 40%. Fuck you, fuck your assistance, fuck your welfare, and fuck taxes.
>>710351939
[continued]
At the end of the day, the more you give up your own responsibilities to the federal government, the more you actually LOSE the freedoms you think you still have.
Why do you trust some bureaucrat 1,000 miles away in DC with things like how many children you have, your child's blood type, race, background, etc? Do you really trust some stranger you'll never meet with every bit of your information when, time and again, stories of corruption and mishandling, abuse are put on display?
Do you really trust some stranger 1,000 miles away to decide what's BEST for YOUR child to learn in their classroom just up the street? You can spend as much time at home trying to teach them as best you can, but the reality is they spend at least twice as much time in a classroom.
Why should a federal government full of people you'll never meet decide how your church, temple, mosque spends the money that you, as an individual citizen, gift them, especially if the way the government SPENDS that money when they taxes churches, mosques, or temples in a way that's in DIRECT CONTRADICTION to your beliefs?
This is the difference between the right and the left.
>>710352379
No its not. It's a grammatical error either way because you're using the wrong WORD not the wrong LETTERS. Again, if I write "left" but meant to write "right" you wouldn't say I misspelled "right" as "left."
Don't try to out-English an English teacher you silly bitch.
>>710346971
>Being right-wing makes no sense unless your rich.
>Prove me wrong.
Take a look at the Forbes 400 list of richest Americans. All are billionaires. It reads like a Who's Who of Democrats and left-wing donors. The top 10 alone, the richest Americans are all Democrats or have donated substantially to Democrat candidates. Even one of the Koch Brothers endorsed Hillary. Silicon Valley is ultra-rich and solid leftwing, as is Manhattan. Followthemoney .org makes all political donations available and searchable by name.
>>710346971
Thinking in terms of left and right when it comes to politics only makes sense when you're mentally handicapped.
Prove me wrong.
>>710346971
You can be economically left (significant government, wellfare etc) but culturally right (nationalistic, tight borders etc).
>>710352627
>Democrats
>left
Good one.
Call me again when you get a socialist party.
The rich get socialism while the poor have to suffer capitalism. See you all in hell or communism !
>>710346971
you can be poor with the desire to clean your country from filthy sandniggerss like here in EU
next french president willl probably be right wing because of that
kick out the muzz, plague of the human kind, you cat live with rats, dont let them in your country murricunt ( they hate everybody and even more usa)
>>710351939
I'm a liberal and this is on point. Paying for entire communities to smoke crack all day and get knocked up is a perversion of liberalism. That's why the democratic party sucks balls. I'd gladly contribute to education and opportunities for the poor kids on a city like Lorain, Ohio but I'll be damned if you expect me to support giving a family of low life drug addicts cash and food stamps. At some point you have to cut off the rotten limbs. It's unfortunate if you're born into a degenerate community but there's nothing stopping you or your family from moving to a productive area if you have the motivation. That's also why Trump can suck my dick with his plan to bring back jobs to factory towns. These people have been on welfare for generations now and they are simply unable to adapt back to productive society. If they had any motivation to work they would have moved away twenty years ago. They will squander any opportunities given.
>>710353246
*can t, but yeah giant cats would be usefull against them
>>710347493
don`t forget if someone gets whacked even a family member if you`re in business feelings don`t matter.
>>710346971
So the other day I was readin Mein Kemf not on the jew stuff but about the goverment was really impressed about how he saw the world and he is not even getting on the jew part, on the goverment fucking people over like a loop, of failure he already knew about the corporations.
>>710353288
Made sense with cat
>>710352465
you don`t know how the system works bro you gotta invest in other countries other currencies but you make good descent money.
You gonna get fucked
>>710353259
Very true. I'm not going to say they "suck balls" because someone on the left might take it the wrong way but I will say that I passionately disagree with them on most of their positions.
I didn't mean to sound like I don't give a fuck about ALL unfortunate situations. The problem is, when it comes to sending your money UP to the federal government, it takes the choice out of our hands whether our money goes to help the truly unfortunate in Ohio versus, like you said, some good for nothing dipshits who don't have any desire or motivation to better themselves at all. It's much MORE beneficial, if given the choice, to be able to make the decision in my community/state where that money goes as opposed to trusting a stranger than has a soft heart for every knucklehead in the country.
It's highly unfortunate to be born into a shitty situation but like you said a person/family will inevitable reach a breaking point where they will pick up, make a decision themselves, and walk if they have to to get away from that shitty situation. I would.
I don't disagree with Trump's plan to bring back factory jobs because his plan isn't to TAKE it from one city, say Atlanta, and MOVE them to somewhere like Chicago thus taking opportunity away from other Americans. His plan is to bring them back from overseas. I used to live in a large manufacturing town myself and it's not even been 1 generation since a lot of them lost those productive, well-paying jobs. I wouldn't say they're unable to adapt back to productive society because we have yet to give them the opportunity or see if that's true. If it failed after two or three years then, yes, I would absolutely agree with you.
At the end of the day I would love to see people in places like Detroit, Chicago, Atlanta, etc. etc. and other smaller communities improve their situation on their own instead of waiting for someone they don't know to come give them a lift up while using someone else's resources.
>>710353259
Not him but I understand and can agree with your sentiment, but it's not entirely fair to say that it's easy to move out of a degenerate area with only a good work ethic. I work 60 hours a week for shit pay to make ends meet and save up enough to move to a nicer area, and my girlfriend is working 40/week. Despite getting more hours and even the occasional raise, we have literally not been able to save a single penny of that. Whether it's car repairs to keep getting to work, or fines and quickly rising bills our jewbag apartment owners try to weasel out of us, or surprise expenses of any kind, there are simply too many expenses nowadays. All the 40 year olds I talk to love to brag about how they bought a house at 20 and how all they had to do to get a job in (insert whatever field here) was walk in the door and ask the manager for a job with no skills.
They know damn well of course that corporations see them as expendable nowadays and half of them are getting let go to be replaced with unskilled but cheap labor and despite not being able to make ends meet themselves, they still wanna tell us how dumb and lazy we are for not being able to do the same.
>>710346971
whoa didn't seen that kinda tv long time ago
>>710353259
It's refreshing to actually have a decent conversation about the stuff on 4chan of all places and I'm surprised I agree with you so much.
At the end of the day if, for example, a school, church, house in my community had a broken window I would rather go to Home Depot, buy a new one with mine and my neighbor's money then help them put it in instead of all of us pooling our money, sending three times as much up to the federal government, then waiting around for them to send 10 guys to fill out paperwork (while being paid from our money to do so) then 1 guy actually putting that one window in.
It's inefficient, bureaucratic, and it's the reason most of our national debt springs up in the first place.
Unfortunately, there are millions upon millions who DON'T have that same commitment to their communities and, at some point, the federal government decided they were somehow OUR responsibility when we'll never so much as see their faces and I don't agree with that at all.
That obviously goes double for other countries. The world isn't a perfect place, bad shit happens, but I want to be able to decide where and when/if I want to help and I don't need 1,000 people in some office halfway across the country making that decision for me.
>>710347866
Thoroughly disproven by the kansas city experiment. Even before this, actually
>>710353815
>contd. because long ass posy
All that to basically say, while it's not impossible to get to a good place in life by working hard, it's sure as hell much harder than it was 20 years ago and is continuing to get even more difficult as companies find new ways to extort money from us by upping rent and utility bills and so on. It's steadily getting to a point where the best we can hope for is to stay at our current level of poverty. And these changes are coming gradually enough that we don't even think about how shitty things have become because we're just... slowly starting to accept that that's how things are gonna be from now on.
Another 20 years down the road we might even get to the point where poverty becomes truly inescapable, and I guarantee the oldfags are gonna look down on the younger generation trapped in that lifestyle and pretend that they're only there because they're weak and lazy and undeserving, because they are old and out of touch with how the world works nowadays. I hope it never gets that bad but at the rate things are going it's a definite possibility.
ITT dumb whites
You stupid faggot. The people at the top arnt going to lose any money no matter who is in charge. Vote for Hillary if you think your neighbor stole what he has and you want the government to steal it from him and give it t you.
>>710353815
>>710354131
I can't speak to anyone calling you dumb or lazy or about 40 years olds today being able to buy a house when they were 20, I can only put my experience out there.
I moved out when I was 17, not because I wanted to but because it was unhealthy and I wanted to, before anything, graduate high school. It does suck that expenses seem to continue to rise while wages don't, but from 17 to 21 I never once had my own place. I worked 2 jobs 6 days a week eating ramen and shit every day but Sunday when I treated myself to a nice, big meal and always shared an apartment or house with 2-3 other roommates. This allowed me to save every penny while I was mopping floors, emptying trash cans and doing things that most would consider "beneath them" in order to pay for my first 2 years of college with no loans or extra help that I would have to pay back.
It's not easy and nothing worth it's weight IS easy. After two years of university and with a great GPA I signed up for the armed forces. I know it's an unpopular option but the fact is a) I never had to kill anyone b) I had the rest of my Bachelor's paid for c) I now have the option of a 0-dollar down payment on any house I want up to 400k and d) I can go back and get my Master's degree for free at any time. When people say "I don't have these options or I can't do that or it's unfair" I always present this option to them. Unless you a) have a felony or b) have some weird heart condition or something literally anyone regardless of race, gender, religion, whatever can sign up so there's really no excuse in my eyes. I never did agree with everything about the military and I still don't but I knew what I wanted and what I had to do to get it.
There are plenty of other choices like this throughout life but, considering the things I've had to work through to get where I am, I just have little tolerance for people who try and play some victim card (not saying that's you at all) just in general.
>>710354131
I get where you're coming from as well. My views are a bit conflicted because I come from a dirtbag community and can empathize but I'm also acutely aware of the degeneracy that exists there. Accordingly I was a big Bernie fan but I'm also not naive enough to believe that he would be able to overcome entrenched political interests such as the industrial prison complex. However, I'm a strong supporter of income equality and responsible social nets. The democratic party is not representative of responsibility whatsoever. The republicans are increasingly depraved. We did indeed need someone to break the status quo but unfortunately we were denied the opportunity on the liberal side. I could never support Trump appointing a SCOTUS justice either. Tbh I wrote in Bernie Sanders on my ballot. It sucks that we are going to be stuck with Clinton. A Bernie vs Trump election would have really advanced the political conversation in this country. Instead all we get is more Illuminati bullshit. Literally the booby prize.
>>710354838
I joined the military to get out of my shit situation as well and it can be tempting to say "well I did it so can you" but you ought to realize that it's an absurd system when that is the only good option. You shouldn't have to join the Army to get a fair shot at life.
>>710354838
[contd]
I never had time to really stop and think "Man, those people 50 years ago sure had it easier than me" or "Those baby boomers this or that did this or that and THAT'S why I'm not successful." The fact is, you can't CHANGE that stuff. It's already happened, it's crying over spilled milk. What I CAN change is my situation now, today, right here and that's what I did. Feeling sorry for myself would only use up time that I didn't have to spare. I wanted the house. I wanted the new car. I wanted all the stuff everyone wants and I made decisions and choices to get it. I gave up my years 18-21 to go to school, get maybe 4-5 hours of sleep a night on average before I had to be in class or at work and sacrificed all the "college parties" and "hanging out" that most people that age do because it was one or the other. I knew I couldn't have both.
btw, i'm only 27 so I know it can still be done. Just keep your head up and decide what's really important to you. :)
>>710355013
I'm not disagreeing with you about the absurd system thing, but I DO believe that, if someone is going to ask for perks like college loans, subsidies from housing, etc they should have SOME responsibility to "give back" in some form of civic duty.
People go nuts when you suggest that a college student today would actually have to give say 2 years of their time away from class helping in a court house, at a homeless shelter, etc. to better their community. It's a lot of "give me, give me, give me" and hardly any "let ME give BACK." That's what I have a problem with.
No one said life was ever "fair" and I never wasted time thinking about it, I just kept my nose to the grind stone to work for what I wanted. I'm not saying there's not time for philosophy and thinking about that stuff, but most people my age spend WAY too much time thinking about that stuff than actually working (again, not saying that's any of you) but you know it's true.
The fact is that most anyone CAN follow the same path. There's nothing wrong with civic duty. They have a lot of the same benefits for police officers, the problem is most people have this notion that "Nah, I don't want to be a policeman or a soldier." But they want to shit on them constantly. I don't get it. Like people think the deserve the same perks they get without actually giving anything to their community. It doesn't make sense. Like, you don't get a gold medal for sitting around and breathing for 18 years and no one owes you anything. That's the mindset I've always had and it's worked out so far.
>>710346971
can't prove you wrong because it's true
OP is right, the real difference b/w the two parties is who should carry the tax burden: the rich or the peasants.
As I see it, the rich have the most to lose so they should carry the burden.
OP is not a faggot.
>>710346971
Working/lower class individuals are the ones that have to live among all of the 3rd world savages the virtuous left-wing elites and academics are importing en masse.
They also compete for the same job, and many hire foreigners as they are used to a lower standard of living and work for far less, we've already seen wages in Germany drop around 8% for the working class as a result of this.
>>710355463
Why is it a rich vs. poor argument to begin with?
The problem is, America was never a country where "the rich" had any obligation to provide for the poor to begin with.
I'm far from rich myself, but what logical argument can you have to say that "That rich guy over there already pays 10 million a year in taxes (more than some entire communities) and I think he should pay 14 million next year so we can all have free college"?
Like that's not even logical. That's where Republicans and Democrats disagree. A lot of the same people who have some whacked out position like you posted are the same ones that would look down at their nose when they pass a bum on the street asking you for $2 yet you want to tell some rich stranger 1,000 miles away how HE should spend MILLIONS of his dollars.
The shit's fucking loopy to be quite honest.
>>710354838
>>710355014
I tried joining the Navy to get some money too. Unfortunately had a condition that I had to hide from them which I wasn't able to do for long and they kicked me out in A-school which was too early to have really "earned" the GI Bill so I just wound up with a few grand saved back. From what I hear though all my friends in boot camp and school wound up getting shafted on all the money they were promised because the military was finding loopholes in everyone's contracts to save money (this was in 06-07 when we were still very active in the middle east) so I don't think I missed out on too much free money but I'd still go back and do it again if my DD-214 didn't bar me from reentry.
Yeah my girl and I are still working our asses off and will continue to, it's not as if I'm expecting anything to fall in my lap for free but I just don't see things getting anything but even more difficult down the line. Like as much as I'd like to start a family I don't think I could bring a kid into the world knowing how many more problems he's probably gonna have down the line. I think at a certain point we really need to accept that bad things are happening from giving corporations QUITE so much free reign, not saying we need to go as far as socialism but given how far quality of life has fallen from what I remember it being as a kid to what it is now, it's a little insane how much more work it takes to have a decent life. Like my mom didn't even need a job and my dad worked closer to part time than full time and they had a house and 3 kids in their late teens. If I tried that shit today my kids would probably starve.
>>710347493
...So lets vote Left so that minimum wage goes up to $15 per hour, so that middle class small buisness owners will never be able to afford to hire more employee's and expand
>>710355316
It's unfortunate that the only path to affordable education is a more selective process, which is apparently antithetical to American values. No, we should not be paying for lazy idiots to go to fart sniffing classes, but we ought to provide opportunities for people to get low cost education in productive fields. We should probably provide some limited opportunities for easier but less economically valuable fields as well, which would necessarily be more competitive to access. The approach of letting people take federal money for whatever garbage they feel like studying is a tremendous failure. They have plenty of their own issues, but the Germans tend to do a decent job of providing State funded education to qualified persons. I wouldn't copy their system but it shows that State funded education is possible. I do tend to be outraged by the boomer generation cutting and running with higher education in this country, then trumpeting the value of hard work and yada yada. That generation is shameless and it's unfortunate they inherited so much political power. They try to compensate by belittling the Iraq War generation. I'm not sure how a youthful person like yourself can ally with those ingrates, but it's unfortunate that we are not given a responsible conservative party for you to Ally with. All we get is the basket of deplorables versus the democrat filth as options.
>>710355742
Honestly I have no problem with people getting rich off hard work. The problem is, their kids inherit that money without ever having to work for it.
If you truly believe that everyone who got rich did so through hard work then let's change the laws governing inheritance to say that when someone dies all their money is spread out equally between every currently working member of society. That you can only leave so much money to your children, like up to 100k per child or something, and the rest goes away. That gives the children more than enough money for funeral expenses and supporting themselves for a while until they can find jobs. That way their kids will have to work just as hard to earn that fortune back as their parents did, and families can't just pull millions of dollars out of circulation for decades at a time to fatten their own pockets at the cost of everyone else.
Obviously we would have to iron the laws out a bit more in instances where parents die when the kid is still young and so forth but I'd the argument is simply that "rich people earned their fortune" then there should be no real issues with changing these inheritance laws.
>>710346971
Bwing left-wing only makes sense if you're lazy and unemployed.
>>710354838
>I was mopping floors, emptying trash cans and doing things that most would consider "beneath them"
This legitimately does not apply anymore since 2010 or so, Really invalid these days, Finding a job is fucking hard in The Netherlands if you come from a poor background ( or when you have a shitty mom who doesnt give up her taxes so you might be applicable for a scholarship)
so here i am, with an IQ of 80. a monthly wage of 780 euros ( think dollars) and not a penny in my pocket anymore, I have to ebay scam myself now untill i make it to the 23rd of this month.
>>710355742
do not presume to think how I look at the homeless (what you call a "bum").
And I never said the rich must provide directly for the poor nor am I saying how he should spend his money (christ you are bad at this).
I said the rich should be taxed at a higher rate because, in this society, they have benefited the most and therefore have the most to lose. If you think they should pay less, please itemize which government services you would sacrifice (remember to balance the math!).
>>710355860
that's never actually happened with any minimum wage hike
not even once you ignorant faggot
>>710355757
Damn man, I really am sorry to hear that.
You're one of the exceptions I pointed out so I can definitely feel your pain.
I'm comfortable, but I wouldn't consider having kids myself either at this point in time. I'd rather have a large nest egg tucked away for their college or something first and another to help with expenses with their growing up. Not to mention things like public schools these days that are doing all sorts of whacky things that just spits out confused, unprepared "adults" out into society that spend more time wondering what their sexuality is instead of what kind of job they want to have.
Yeah, it's hard work these days but what are we going to do, give up? Nah man. It's cool to be nostalgic and think back about our parents and grandparents but MOST of that is the result of the federal government. The people in washington are the ones who signed NAFTA, the ones who are saying it's okay to import millions of refugees, etc. etc. and all this puts a strain on inflation, wages, etc.
I don't think people even realize that. Republicans are the ones who are against big government. Young people today are voting for democrats today with the expectation that they're going to fix "all that stuff that baby boomers messed up" when the reality is the democrats are the ones in favor of putting even more strain on the national budget, credit rating, fed reserve etc. All that stuff directly influences rising expenses and lowered wages in a negative way. It's not a rich vs. poor thing, it's a "stop trying to fight all these social battles and trying to help anyone and everyone because you're shooting yourself in the foot" imo.
>>710356253
WAjong welfare huh ?
Well, i wouldnt say >Work faggot!
Because you would get what ? underneath 1000 euros if you did so ?
my little sister ( 20 no pics) had a wajong aswell, the crazy fucking things they want her to do ! going to a whole other part of our province ( state for americunts) to work in a grocery shop that is around the corner here ! AND WITH NO PAY OTHER THEN HER WELFARE LMFAO!!!! its a "Welcome to the job market" state of mind, My thing is, Marry a rich girl OP
my sister has the looks, And is still a virgin ( so no teenage mommy welfare drama) and she is planning on doing this, We also come from a low income family.
>>710356147
That is essentially communism and removes one of the major motivation for earning wealth. We don't need to go to that extreme, but the economic system is far too extreme in the other direction. Wealth should be distributed more evenly. It's not saying "oh I'm taking what you have", it's saying: your wealth is a product of society and my labors, and I ought to get a bigger cut. That's what unions used to be good for, but that system failed. The vacuum left over has grossly enriched the capitalist class at the expense of the populace.
>>710356496
>doesn't know what communism means
where in his post did he advocate government collective control of the means of production?
>>710356461
Haha, you said OP
I will man, Things are really hard on me these days though, the bills keep creeping up, And i have been away from the job market since January this year !
Republicans are fine if youre a multi millionair. Democrats is fair if all you own is what you wear. Neither of them is really right cause neither of them care about that hot plate heaven. Cause they aint been there.
>>710356130
The problem with the entire "free college for everyone" position is that it's ALWAYS been a highly selective process. It didn't just change in the past ten years because people decided "hey I should be allowed to go to college too!"
The sad fact is that everyone is crying for "free college" when the reality is if EVERYONE has a college degree then you end up with places like South Korea where someone with a 6 year college degree is sweeping streets. A college degree has always been an INVESTMENT not a right. You want education? Ok, go read some books, teach yourself, learn on your own. You want a college degree? Then pay for it like everyone else.
When literally everyone has a college degree then that salaried position that used to pay 80k starting out now nets you a cool 30k instead and the middle class becomes non-existent because expenses don't go down with the wages. People are short-sighted though and they don't see beyond "I want this FOR FREE, RIGHT NOW" and don't realize the long term implications of those "free" things they're asking for.
I don't think young democrats even understand what they're fighting for to be quite honest.
>>710356565
That's a rather narrow definition of communism. He advocated full wealth redistribution, which necessarily includes capital, otherwise what would be the point?
>>710356496
If you're arguing that abolishing inheritance is wrong simply because it's communist might I remind you that one of the major tenets of communism is free, mandatory public education for children? Should we abolish school because someone who was a communist thought it was a good idea?
And in any case there would still be every reason to try to get rich- to have a good life. So what you're ACTUALLY saying here is not that "the rich work for their fortune" but that "everyone should work for their fortune, except my kids. They should get my fortune despite never working a day in their life."
You cannot say you support both inheritance laws and "working for your fortune" in the same sentence, those statements contradict themselves.
>>710356727
>strawman!
nobody is seriously arguing for free college for literally everyone. It's always understood to mean "free college for those with the aptitude requirements" and it is done successfully all around the world.
>>710356736
No he did not advocate full wealth redistribution. Read it again dumbass
>>710356736
Not the distribution of any living person's wealth. The redistribution of a person's wealth AFTER they die.
>>710356787
So literally scholarships, which we already have.
>>710356727
Yes I agree. Free college for everyone would be stupid. Unfortunately everyone was denied the opportunity to hash it out when the Illuminati rigged the election for Hillary. I think young democrats would be able to come around to the idea that free college would require higher selectivity, but it's now off the table because we have to discuss grabbing by the pussy instead.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E48QqcTOXeY
>>710356758
You do realize that when a business owner dies the entire assets of the business are hit with the so called inheritance tax, and that can easily destroy the business, right?
>>710356900
full scholarships, which are exceedingly rare you dumb shit. They should be universal for all students who qualify for college. True, we should make college harder to get into so dumb shits like you stay out, but those who get in should not have to carry debt to be educated.
>>710346971
I'm not a shit skin
>>710356942
don't point out facts that break the narrative!
>>710357067
that's right, vote to keep the taxes low on your handlers
>>710347278
Which word was misspelled?
>>710356147
Sorry my responses are a little slow, but I'm genuinely enjoying the discussion so I can better understand why others think or feel the way they do.
Inheriting money? Again, I'm a republican who's not rich by any standard, but I have no problem with kids inheriting their parents money when they die. There are only 2 options in that situation a) the kids inherit all their parents money and "stuff" or b) the government "inherits" all of those parents property, "stuff", and money. A good compromise is an inheritance tax which is what we have now. I don't believe the government has ANY right to claim something between a parent and child any more than they have a right to claim my dad passing down his favorite knife or his favorite hat to me when he dies.
At what point does that make any sense? Again, an inheritance tax is a decent compromise that I can live with an not lose sleep over.
I don't believe that EVERYONE who got rich did so through hard work because the definition of "hard work" is subjective. I got where I am today through a combination of "hard" physical labor and using my brain to make the right decisions. Bill Gates got rich because of his "hard work" with his brain and intellect to create Microsoft.
Your argument breaks down a bit when you try to make a connection between parents passing down an inheritance to somehow that "fattening their kids pockets at the expense of everyone else." Like my dad passing down his favorite hat to me, their inheritance doesn't affect you in the slightest way. Certainly pulling a few million dollars "out of circulation" doesn't affect the economy at all as you seem to think especially when the government is ringing up trillions in debt with unnecessary spending. That's like focusing on a nail sticking out a little on one plank of a ship that's already sinking.
Focusing on a few million dollars of inheritance while ignoring the trillions we spend on other countries around the world is absurd.
>>710357142
I'll take "Wealth Projection" for $500, Alex"
>>710357017
I highly doubt any company owned by a billionaire was ever in danger of failing because of an inheritance tax.
>>710356758
They don't really contradict themselves, because they're part of the idea that if you make a fortune, you should be able to do what you want with it, including give it to whomever you want.
Government's role should be to protect people's freedom to do what they want with their money.
>>710356253
You can't just invalidate what I've done "because you say so." Discussions don't work that way. Are you implying there are no jobs for mopping floors anymore? I find that hard to believe. It was 2010 when I was working two jobs so this just magically disappeared? I'm not from the Netherlands, so I can't speak on your economy and job prospects but if anyone were to say this from the US I would look at them like they're crazy because I've literally done it just a few years ago so I know it's very much possible.
>>710357057
>exceedingly rare
Naa bro, lots of people go to school for free. Qualifying for a Pell Grant gets you up to 6 years of state college.
>>710357017
cite one example of that ever really happening
>>710356758
I'm not arguing that at all. Are you arguing that full redistribution doesn't lead to economic stagnation?
>>710356804
>>710356846
Why would you work when you are essentially born into a giant trust fund? You will "live a good life" regardless. It doesn't matter much if wealth is distributed after death or not. Until society collapses from removing economic motivation.
>>710357248
nigga my dad was a guidance counselor, they are fucking rare because they're restricted to low-income families.
If you're just above that line and a good student, well tough shit. Take out that mountain of loan money.
>>710357133
>your rich
>>710357269
>implying living a better life isn't motivation enough
fucker please start trying harder
>>710357057
>having no clue how colleges are funded
>accusing others of being dumb
>>710357192
So all businesses are owned by billionaires? Wow, I had no idea I was one.
>>710357261
Go fuck yourself.
>>710356340
I never presumed that, I said in general. If you take it personally I can't be responsible for that but, out of curiosity, just how much HAVE you given to homeless people lately?
Saying the rich should be taxed at a higher rate just because they make more IS saying they have to provide directly for the poor though, I'm not sure why you're failing to see that connection. I never said they should pay less either.
>>710357142
>>710357218
Governments allowing people to do what they want with their money doesn't make sense after that person passes away. That's like saying "I should continue to be allowed to vote after I die, so just always make my corpse vote for whoever my kid votes for," it's ridiculous.
>>710357142
I didn't say the government gets the money though did I? I said the working, living members of or society get it. Like a yearly stimulus or whatever.
If you honestly think that nobody will bother to work if their kids don't get to cling to your money after you die, that's silly. People will still want to get high paying jobs to live in luxury while they're alive even if their kids don't get to keep all of the money.
>>710357481
>not talking about how colleges are funded at all
>totally misread the conversation
fucker you need to pay attention so you don't make yourself look the fool.
But if you're sooooo concerned about colleges receiving enough funding, you must be mad that all the red states are gutting the university endowments.
>>710357508
>damage control
if you are advocating they shouldn't pay more, you ARE advocating they should pay less you ignorant fuck
>>710357481
No, the point was that the current inheritance tax laws might force little mom and pop businesses to shut down if they can't pay the tax, but no Fortune 500 company was ever in danger of having that happen when the billionaire owner died. That's just another sign that the current inheritance laws are unfair and need to be changed.
>>710357723
mom and pop businesses are not going out of business due to inheritance taxes, stop swallowing the bullshit fed to you by the rich
>>710357419
1. Don't work. You can eat every day, smoke dank buds, drive a Honda civic, fuck bitches, have a 2 bedroom apartment, and sit around all day playing WoW if you want.
2. Work your ass off, you drive a BMW, eat better, fuck slightly hotter bitches, a bigger house, but have very little free time.
These are the options you would create if you spread all inheritance to the people. You are delusional if you think enough people choose option 2 to support an economy. As long as option 1 exists , society collapses. You're idea is literally worse than Soviet communism. At least they had to show up at their jobs.
>>710357803
Reread >>710357017. That is exactly what you, or whoever posted that, said.
>>710357856
faggot uses speculation, it is not effective.
>>710357899
wasn't me, I was the one to call him on his bullshit
>>710357619
You're trying to equate "the right to vote" with passing down money, a car, or anything else for that matter to your children. I guess this is where Republicans and Democrats disagree again. Why does someone in washington I've never met, seen, or spoken to have any right to decide if/when I pass down my car, my clothes, my money, or anything else to my children who I raised myself in our community for decades before I died? They don't. Why do they have any more "right" to my possessions than my own flesh and blood? They don't. To argue they have kind of inherent right that supersedes my actual, living breathing children is bordering on lunacy.
The government doesn't have some right to just reach into my home and grab or take whatever they claim they have a "right" to and they sure as hell don't supersede my wishes for my children. That's not freedom and it's not American. Sorry.
Ok, your second response really does sound batshit crazy. Do you think we live in Willy Wonka land or something? What kind of sense does it make to say "Hey that big corporate guy just died so we're all getting a stimulus from his rich ass this year (fuck his children by the way)!"
Your expectation of getting some kind of weird "stimulus" or "check in the mail" whenever someone like warren buffet or bill gates kicks the bucket is really morbid and I can't agree with it at all. I'm not living my life waiting for a handout, I'm working for what I have and want and well fuck anyone who thinks they have a right to take it from me. That's what America's about.
>>710357961
Eh you're too dumb for this thread anon. We were having a good conversation til you showed up.
>>710358010
uh yeah they do, our congress has the right to levy taxes broadly.
you need to learn your civics dumbass
>>710358010
This guy is not a democrat he is just an idiot.
>>710357675
It's not damage control, you're literally putting words in my mouth. Your argument amounts to "There's a half a glass of soda sitting here. I think there should be MORE soda in this glass and if you don't agree you obviously think we should pour some out!"
That doesn't even make sense and it's not what I said at all. If you can't have a discussion without putting words in someone's mouth who you disagree with then don't even bother. You either want to have a discussion or you're set on changing goalposts and trying to force your opinion and i'm not interested in either one of those things.
>>710358053
awww, someone calls you on your imaginary bullshit and you get a widdle angwy
>>710358148
so you're advocating no change at all? It goes up, down, or stays the same fucker. Where are you in your stupid glass?
>>710358155
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>>710357619
The analogy you're drawing is ridiculous. It's obvious that someone should be allowed to decide where their property goes after they die. How the fuck is voting posthumously at all related to that?
>>710358090
And I said I'm not against an inheritance tax, dumbass.
I wasn't resorting to name-calling until you lowered yourself to it. I said I can live with a compromise of inheritance tax, the other anon literally said hand out the guy's inheritance as a stimulus package which is dumb as fuck and something some welfare leech would propose. They're not even remotely related or the same thing, DUMBASS. Maybe you should read someone's entire statement instead of trying to cherry-pick something and twist it around. Go fuck yourself
>>710358239
lol you've given up defending your stupid wealth projection? You'll never have anything of significant value to leave your children so the fuck you care about defending the rich?
>>710358010
This.
>>710358289
oh it's clear you want the inheritance tax gone. Just like your handlers want you to believe, even as neither you nor your family will ever benefit from it.
Me, I'd say it should only apply on inheritances above a certain value. If you leave your kid a used honda civic, no taxes. If you leave your kid 10,000 acres and a horse ranch, I'm gonna say tax that shit.
>>710358324
I'm a liberal and a socialist, but I'm not a starry-eyed Marxist. You are delusional and I won't entertain your nonsense.
>>710358452
resorting to lies about yourself? That's some sad damage control.
>>710357856
The reality is you don't have to take some rich fucker's inheritance from his kids and "spread it around to everyone" in order to have those two options.
It boils down to personal life choices, decisions, freedom of choice.
If that rich fucker lives his whole life with the only goal of leaving everything he's worked for to his children, who am I or you or anyone else to say he owes anyone else? Meanwhile most people don't do even a tenth of the work he does to build something like McDonalds or Wal Mart or whatever the fuck but, at some point, people got this crazy idea that somehow they should be paid or get a handout from what that guy built from the ground up. Again that's not how America works, it's not how it's ever worked.
You go out in the woods with a pile of wood, you take hammer and nails with only your cash to pay for all the supplies and slap together a decent cabin. Tell me how you justify "the government" coming to you a month later and saying "You owe us one of your windows" as a "tax" when you literally use none of their resources to build said house.
>>710358010
Hey its just one idea of how it could be handled. I'm not saying I have all the answers worked out and know exactly how it should be gone about, I'm explaining a problem I believe we have with our system and trying to find alternatives.
But again, if how much money your kids have isn't related to how hard they worked, but how hard you worked, then the idea that hard work leads to getting rich is a false one. I get the idea that you want to give your children a good life and a safety net when they die, and I didn't say they couldn't have ANY of your money when they died- I even said something like $100k per child or something could be left to them, whatever specific amount we decide on is irrelevant really.
Be honest, do you REALLY think a billionaires children really need that ENTIRE fortune to have a safe and happy life? Nobody really needs that much money if they didn't actually do work for it themselves. And as time goes on these rich families.can just keep accumulating more wealth, making it progressively more difficult for anyone else to reach the point their ancestors did way back when. The gap between the rich and the poor is growing larger every day, I don't think anyone can honestly debate that, and if your family is allowed to keep stashing money away for their own benefit for decades and centuries down the line are eventually going to reach a point where our economy collapses entirely.
>>710358536
you're assuming a lot when you think it could only have been earned through hard work.
But I've got a timely argument against doing what you clearly want to be the case: Donald Trump.
>>710358597
that's why warren buffet isn't leaving his 30+ billion to his family. He's leaving them a few million to be comfortable and donating the rest to charity.
>>710347493
too bad your theory is complete garbage. It simply does not work that way any longer.
>>710358701
your counterargument: nuh uh
>>710358536
See now this is the difference between republicans and democrats. You honestly believe that the wealthy are entitled to wealth 1000 times that of their employees. I don't believe that the wealthy have that level of value, and I don't believe in unchecked capitalism. I don't necessarily think taxing the wealthy is the ultimate solution, but wealth distribution in this country is out of control. If you disagree with that sentiment then it's impossible to see eye to eye. Society is entitled to a fair share of wealth, but the wealthy have rigged the system in their favor so that they don't have to compensate society for their share of contributing to that wealth.
>>710358405
I never once said anything about inheritance tax being gone, I actually said multiple times it's an ok compromise. If you can't formulate an educated rebuttal to my points without using weird conspiracy theories like "young handlers hur durr" then just leave the discussion man.
Your only argument is "I think this guy has too much because he worked his ass off, saved his entire life, and wanted to pass it down to his kids so I think we "the people" deserve part of what they have."
I'm not even rich and I still work my ass off but I can't get down with that philosophy. I deserve what I, myself, work for and earn and I don't expect a penny more than that for any reason. Why do you feel that you do deserve more for what someone else has done?
This is basically the heart of the difference between Republicans and Democrats. I'm not some rich fat-cat. I don't know any of them and, frankly, I don't give a fuck about them. What I care about is waking up in the morning, going to work, putting in my 8-10 hours then coming home with the money I earned and not having 40% of my shit taxed to pay for all kinds of welfare or sex changes, abortions, immigrants (both illegal and legal), free college for everyone else when I don't even have kids and all sorts of other crazy shit I'll never have use for. Paying for roads, infrastructure, social security and other things I actually take advantage of is completely ok. The million other things I could give 2 fucks about isn't.
>>710358879
as they ever have anon, as they ever have
>>710357413
Not a misspelling. It's a misuse of the proper form of "your" or "you're" and in this situation OP should have said "you're rich." Meaning that his statement was still grammatically incorrect, but everything was spelled correctly. Though I'd say that the only reason he didn't fuck up any words was probably because he's on his mobile cellphone with magical auto-correct.
>>710358899
nice ramble. I believe in progressive taxation across the board, including the inheritance and capital gains taxes. Those are the two big ones the rich will fight tooth and nail to keep flat (or abolish).
Rich apologists like you want flat taxes to reward the wealthy at the expense of the peasants.
>>710352472
>>710352573
>>710355014
>>710355316
etc
Do you KNOW that WRITING in capital LETTERS that WAY makes you look like DIPSHIT?
NOT that I comment on your POST whatever your POLITICAL VIEWS are you LOOK like UNSTABLE TEENAGER or ANGRY YELLING GRANDPA
>>710358691
Well that's great for him, I can appreciate his forward thinking on the matter. But I doubt many other people are gonna follow in his footsteps.
>>710358251
Because the idea that a corpse has any rights to any sort of money or influence is the really ridiculous idea here.
Besides I'm arguing that "the rich work for their money" should ACTUALLY be a true statement. As soon as people are faced with the idea that their kids are gonna have to work as hard as they did if they want to get as rich as him, suddenly everyone shows their true colors, that only your direct descendants are important to you and fuck everyone else no matter how hard they applied themself to the above principal you claim to believe in. Better to ensure that your own descendants will continue amassing fortune even if the economy sinks so far that everyone else but them starves.
>>710358597
>>710358651
I didn't say the ONLY way to get wealthy is to do it through hard work but (believe it or not) the majority of people who are rich didn't inherit it. They were innovators, inventors, started their own businesses, etc. You're angry about that rich douche bags kids inheriting his money? Go invent something. Create something. Build something yourself. I'm sure after you make your first million you'll feel the same fucking way they feel.
The problem I have is people who sit around cry and moan about some rich dick's kids who inherited some money over there and don't have to work while those same people aren't doing a damn thing to better their own situation. All that time spent you can't get back and, guess what, you didn't make any MORE money by sitting around and complaining.
No, people don't want to hear that. They don't want to do that. They don't want to come up with something new, they don't want to invent something themselves they want to take advantage of some smart fucker over there on the side and say "he owes us something" when in reality the guy doesn't owe you shit. That's reality. He has no more obligation to give his inheritance to you than you have an obligation to give that guy begging for money on the sidewalk a dollar every time you pass by him. Tell me I'm wrong. You can't.
Just saying "Well they have more money than they could ever spend so give us some" isn't a valid argument. The guy could be driving around in a car that burns $100 dollar bills to run and I wouldn't give two fucks. Good for him. He, or someone in his family earned it at some point, so good for them.
I'm going to keep working to better myself and my family when I raise them and improve our situation. Was it easier 50 years ago? Yeah. It was also a hell of a lot harder 150 years ago but nobody talks about that. Convenient.
>>710346971
Left wing policies while raising the floor in many ways also erect more barriers to social and economic mobility as well as create a ceiling to how high one can rise.
Proper right wing policies do not artificially inflate the difficulties with raising your situation at the price of having a lower floor.
I prefer the second because I wasn't at least a shot at rising. I don't want to be consigned to some lower middle class existence forever.
>>710356461
Kankerlijers, mijn pa is 100% afgekeurd mn moeder is/was altijd gewoon huisvrouw. Ik kan oprecht zeggen dat wij het nooit breed hebben gehad en ik heb alles zelf moeten betalen.
En nu ben ik 30, projectmanager bij een multinational, getrouwd, net een huis gekocht midden in het centrum van een stad en 2 gezonde zoons.
Je bepaald zelf je succes! Ga aub niet zo lopen te janken omdat je uit een lagere klasse komt.Kom uit die slachtoffer rol en toon initiatief, want niemand komt je brengen wat je nodig hebt. Laat jezelf niet in een hokje stoppen.
>>710359146
I don't see what's wrong with using emphasis anon. It's not like he can use italics on this board.
>>710359023
It wasn't a ramble and I'm not a rich apologist. I can dismiss your opinions just as easily but I was under the impression that you actually wanted to have a discussion not just ignore every point I make that makes you feel uncomfortable. I guess I was mistaken.
>>710359146
Sorry you're distracted by capital letters but, if anything, it makes my posts more coherent and helps people to keep up with our conversation when every tom dick and hairy wants to chime in with dumb shit like yours every other post. If the best argument you have against the points I'm making is that I use capital letters too much you should just stop. This wasn't started as some confrontational conversation but posts like yours make it really hard not to call you an asshat.
>>710359336
dude kijk hoe die gast typt, no hope.
>>710356461
Ik zou je zusje best droog in haar poepert willen knallen.
>>710352465
You're an idiot if you make less than $250k a year and vote for Trump.
>>710359309
This is why liberals think conservative are dumb. I don't think you're dumb, anon, but you're factually incorrect about wealth distribution. The problem isn't with the engineer who earns $100k or even the small business owner worth 2.5 mil. That's not where our wealth is. Our wealth is being hoarded by a very few politically powerful individuals who are tipping the scales to an immoral degree.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPKKQnijnsM
>>710359309
Alright cool. So we've established that the idea that hard work is correlated to wealth is a bullshit lie, and screw everyone who wasn't born one of your fuck trophies. At least you don't pretend you have the moral high ground anymore.
It's not hard to understand that wealth is becoming more concentrated and will continue to do so if our laws don't change and if people genuinely don't understand, or care to understand, why that isn't a good thing for our society as a whole. But again, fuck everyone in society that isn't you or didn't come from you. That's clearly the 'sane' position to take here.
>>710359198
Guess what?
People inherit things. Deal with it. You INHERITED a generally decent standard of living compared to 200 years ago because people built shit, made shit better. Your grandparents, your great grandparents, your parents. If they made poor decisions in their life and didn't save shit for you that's too bad. The fact is OTHER people made different decisions and thus their children benefited from it.
Who are you to say or even gauge what "people work for their money" actually means? The only reason you're upset about it is because you feel like those people somehow "wronged you" or are "responsible" for YOU not being successful. I can assure you some dumb fuck rich yokel isn't sitting around smoking a cigar and laughing about how he fucked you up so you couldn't get a new car.
If we're going by your standard, your parents should have thrown you outside with a loin cloth on and made you go hunt your own food and find your own water growing up since we should all work for whatever we have or whatever.
>>710359582
>tfw 50k/yr and pay nearly the same %
at least i live in the shitfilth ghetto where you can own a 4 bedroom house for 450/mo
>>710357221
I think he means that you will need a education or a paper to be eligble for that job, Im from the netherlands aswell, i am a "job coach" idk if they have that where you are from
i help people like him get a job, most of the things that he just told u wasnt a lie, you just cant walk in anymore ans ask for a job, everything goes online now aswell.
>>710359769
I never once said that the correlation between hard work and wealth "is a bullshit lie." If anything I'm living proof that it's not a lie.
>>710354838
I'm not rich but I made logical, pragmatic decisions that brought me from a dipshit 18 year old with 2 jobs to someone with a house, newish luxury car, savings, retirement etc.
Had nothing to do with the government giving me anything or me inheriting anything. It was directly correlated to my hard work. I'm still years from being 30 so this isn't some "pie in the sky" shit and I'm tired of hearing kids my age (I call them kids because their attitude reflects such) whining about how stuff used to be easier and it's all someone else's fault that they made bad decisions so other people owe them something. No. Go work. I did. If you want something, work for it. It's that simple. It really is. And fuck me for not wanting to give part of what I worked for to an inefficient federal government that doesn't reflect a lot of my values, beliefs, etc. at all and just wastes shit most of the time.
Again, I'm not a republican because I'm rich or I give a shit about rich people. I'm a republican because I see how inefficient, wasteful, and infringing the federal government is on state's rights and the right of the individual to direct their own life. I don't expect handouts and I don't know why anyone else expects them or thinks they deserve them either (with few exceptions).
>>710359336
Je vergeet het stukje met IQ 80
Deze jongen woont waarschijnlijk begeleid ofzo,
Je hebt ook het stukje gemist waar zijn moeder de inkomsten verklaring niet heeft getekend voor hem.
Ga alstublieft ergens anders tof liggen doen, We hebben dit soort mensen als jij echt niet nodig.
>>710359971
Sure, yeah. We have job services and temporary work agencies and stuff where they basically work to get you into a position that day to work. I'm assuming that's kind of the same thing? I did that when I was 18-19 and they can find you a job on the spot most of the time if not the next day as long as you can pass a drug test which is pretty cool.
Yeah, I'm not going to pretend to know what the situation is in the Netherlands because Europe is a whole other ballpark economically right now so I'll take your word for it. Didn't mean to come across sounding like I was calling him a liar. I'll dial it back a little, sorry. :)
>>710359336
Waardeer je woorden, En maatje, Ik doe deze dingen ook ! het komt allemaal beter, Ik ben gevraagd om echte events ( Sensation White) achter de schermen te organiseren, Mensen benaderen enzo, En dit werkt gewoon, ze zeiden dat op de 25e ongeveer 2800 euro op mij ligt te wachten, Mocht eerder komen, Want ik ben blut als een moeder neuker ( op 50 euro na tot de 23e van mijn WAJONG)
Dit is allemaal wel uit de hemel gevallen trouwens, Donder op met je "hard werken" en al dat soort baby boomer verhaaltjes, .
Ik ontmoete die dude op een soort gelijk event en ik liet als een autist mn cola op zn schoenen vallen ( daar is een heel vriendelijk gesprek mee begonnen)
>>710359572
samefag? zal toch niet
>>710360167
Jup, Dit inderdaad over het hoofd gezien, Maar zoals je kon lezen, Nogal babyboomer praat van hem, Ik hoop sincerely dat dit werk mij wat gaat opleveren, Ik skype iedere dag met die man (nohomo) dus ja..
I'm right wing because I recognize human biodiversity.
>>710347493
Literally the only valid answer so far ( that i have read, i am in this topic for like 10 minutes or so but some have good arguments)
This one took the cake.
>>710360167
Yeah he did oversee this, Trust me, I have been to a household from what i can imagine from his words ( mine are not the best either sorry) but 90% are cases like this, Low IQ, no self esteem for job hunting themselves ( can partially blame them i mean come on, Why would u wanna work in a supermarket when you are 24 years old ?) but hey, when "Need breaks law" is a dutch verb but it basicly means
YOU NEED TO DO WHATEVER YOU CAN TO SUPPORT YOURSELF
that includes jobs like these, Just be glad that the social stigma of where-ever the fuck you work is gone :)
>>710360375
No drug test with simple jobs, Not College / University ones either haha, The "Average" job accepcation is 1 week, I barely waited with my clients longer then that ( they would abrupt forget about you if they found a better "read" cheaper candidate)
Situation is fucked up, But as i explained earlier, if u gotta do something to make ends meet, You sure as hell gotta : /
>>710360452
Hope this works out for you, Remember, Do everything to make ends meet, You wont build a career with mopping floors or stacking shelves, But you will eat atleast 1 meal a day !
>>710360160
You are in the narrow slice of the economy where you (think you) earned everything yourself without handouts. The poor get handouts and the rich get handouts. Republicucks like you are too blind to see the ultrarich that are scamming you with this bootstrap fantasy. Who do you think gave you your gi Bill money? It was the filthy rich who also benefit the most from the stabilizing effect of the US military. Of course they don't pay for it, that's put on the backs of your tax dollars. Someone more conservative than you might even consider your gi Bill as a "handout". You were paid already for your job, right? But anyway, you may have worked for your money, and you see others in your community who work for their money and do fine. You then incorrectly extend this, as is natural, to think that the filthy rich are doing the same but just with higher numbers. But you're wrong, they are cheating and taking handouts , directly from you. Directly from everyone. They are not earning their wealth. That's what you're missing. You don't really think people are so incompatible in their view points, right? You and I already tend to agree on a lot of points. But you are missing facts about what hard work and earning your money means. The liberals realize that the system is a scam, the conservatives don't.
>>710359832
>People inherit things. Deal with it. You INHERITED a generally decent standard of living compared to 200 years ago because people built shit, made shit better. Your grandparents, your great grandparents, your parents. If they made poor decisions in their life and didn't save shit for you that's too bad. The fact is OTHER people made different decisions and thus their children benefited from it.
I never said that wasn't a fact or argued against it. I simply said it shouldn't be that way.
>Who are you to say or even gauge what "people work for their money" actually means? The only reason you're upset about it is because you feel like those people somehow "wronged you" or are "responsible" for YOU not being successful. I can assure you some dumb fuck rich yokel isn't sitting around smoking a cigar and laughing about how he fucked you up so you couldn't get a new car.
Yeah that's sort of the issue, people who end up on the greener side of the grass tend not to understand that not everyone had it that well, and that kind of thinking leads to rich people getting richer by making business decisions that make other people's lives even more difficult. Because they don't even have to know how the real world operates while they live in the lap of luxury.
>If we're going by your standard, your parents should have thrown you outside with a loin cloth on and made you go hunt your own food and find your own water growing up since we should all work for whatever we have or whatever.
That's a strawman and you know it. I've said multiple times that I would be fine with children inheriting a PORTION of the parent's wealth but that portion needs to be way smaller than what it's currently at.
>>710360160
>I'm not rich but I made logical, pragmatic decisions that brought me from a dipshit 18 year old with 2 jobs to someone with a house, newish luxury car, savings, retirement etc.
That's good for you. I've worked 60 hours a week for the past decade trying to get to that point but I'm still waiting for the day when I actually have anything to show for it. I never said it was impossible to do well for yourself without inheriting shit from your parents. Only that it IS growing more difficult to bridge that divide between poverty and upper class. Both of those things are becoming more self perpetuating and while it isn't impossible to bridge that divide it's going to keep getting more difficult until one day that does actually wind up happening.
>>710361089
>cont.d.
>I'm still years from being 30 so this isn't some "pie in the sky" shit and I'm tired of hearing kids my age (I call them kids because their attitude reflects such) whining about how stuff used to be easier and it's all someone else's fault that they made bad decisions so other people owe them something. No. Go work. I did. If you want something, work for it. It's that simple. It really is.
I do, as I've said. But that doesn't mean I can't understand that the system we have now is going to take us to a very bad place if we don't change some things.
And if you believe that you have literally NEVER gotten anything from society and don't owe absolutely anything to absolutely anyone else you're delusional.
>Again, I'm not a republican because I'm rich or I give a shit about rich people. I'm a republican because I see how inefficient, wasteful, and infringing the federal government is on state's rights and the right of the individual to direct their own life. I don't expect handouts and I don't know why anyone else expects them or thinks they deserve them either (with few exceptions).
I don't expect huge handouts either. Yes government infringing on businesses can be bad but businesses having too much free reign can be just as bad. There has to be SOME sort of limits on what they can be allowed to do.
>>710346971
true
>>710358691
Which is why it should be up to people to raise their kids sensibly with a sense of what it is to earn your money and not have everything handed to you but in most cases it doesn't happen. I know the goal of most people is to give the best to their kids but there should be a limit.
>>710360873
The GI Bill is no more a "handout" than a 401k that a salaried position offers as a bonus. In fact, it's precisely the same thing. Corporations entice people with salaries, bonuses, paid vacations and the military is no different. Are you going to argue that your local postal worker deserves no vacation days or retirement now because it's a "handout"? It's literally the same thing and it looks childish when you try to cherry-pick specifically the GI Bill in the military when it has, above and beyond and without consideration to race or anything else, propelled people from a lower class into a university environment that would have been unattainable otherwise.
It's not a question of whether I did or didn't work for my money. I did. There's no "may have" about it. I don't "extend this to the filthy rich" at all. I specifically said that they, or their parents, grandparents, etc. were the innovators, creators, inventors of society and thus deserve the money they have. As far as I know they haven't "cheated" or "taken handouts" from me at all. I would like to hear a few specific examples of how you think these "filthy rich" people have cheated you personally or taken handouts from you.
The federal government bailing out big banks is the most obvious along with the auto industry if you're going to argue that's "you or us" which I don't. I never said this was right for them to do. In fact, throughout this thread, I've made it painfully clear that I don't agree with most of what the federal government does which is why I'm a republican. On the flip-side, democrats and liberals on the left believe in more federal government. The same federal government that you're now telling me is cheating you. People on the left are literally voting for more of the stuff that people are complaining about right now ITT. Do you not see the irony of that?
>>710360160
You keep talking about handouts as if you believe that this redistribution-of-dead-people's-wealth thing would be anything near the amount that people could survive off of. It would be something like $3 for every billion dollars (1 billion divided by 318 million citizens). Even less depending on how much the tax would be. Not exactly an early retirement fund.
>>710346971
Left wingers will run the economy into the shitter with social programs for the lazy until nearly everyone who is rich and can stay as such is the only ones paying taxes, while the rest are either poor or nearly so and all are dependent on government assistance, thus securing their vote. There becomes 2 classes only - the wealthy and the struggling poor.
Right wingers will ruin the economy by increasing military spending and passing contestable laws that will bring lawsuits for civil rights violations which divert monies intended for other things to pay instead for legal battles. They are just as authoritarian as left wingers, just in a different way.
Both sides are absolutely fucking retarded, and essentially the same monstrous, bloated entity that will eventually kill America one way or another if left unchecked.
If you support either party you're supporting a bigger, more authoritarian federal government that will get around to eventually grinding away all your rights without any need to hide what they are doing because you cannot stop them by then. It's already bad enough for the liberties we have lost and both democratic and republican supporters don't acknowledge that.
http://www.pornhub.com/view_video.php?viewkey=ph581aaa4bacfc2
>>710361706
Examples include capital gains tax, a sub 20% effective tax rate, golden parachutes, and tax sheltering. These are all effectively "handouts" that continue to skew income inequality by taking money out of taxpayer or employees pockets. And I do see the irony. I live in a 2 party system so I have to choose between taking at least some money from the ultrarich and using it inefficiently, or giving them even more loopholes and money. Of course I'm going to vote democrat. Fwiw, I'm also a veteran and earn 6 figures.
>>710361970
I agree. I have voted third party in the past.
>>710360927
And we just disagree on that point I guess. The children that I have in the future will, without a doubt, be far more important to me than any strangers I don't even know. As such, they deserve what I have or leave behind more than any government or citizens. That's just natural.
It's not a strawman. Your argument is that you're okay with children inheriting a "portion" of their parents assets while the government/people get the rest whereas I believe my children deserve to inherit the majority of whatever I leave behind but I'm okay with a small inheritance tax if there has to be one. It's just a fundamental difference that I suppose we'll never agree on but there's nothing "free" about having to up and toss most of the stuff you accumulated to the government when you die instead of giving it to you children. I value my freedoms one of which is deciding what happens to my shit after I die. You might argue "What's it matter if you're dead" to which my response would be "Exactly. What's it matter? Stop trying to take my shit and let me bury my car in my coffin with me if I fuggin' want to, stay away from my shit."
I never said I got nothing from society. That's absurd. I said I took no handouts. Very different. I use roads, hospitals, traffic lights. I go to community meetings, I'll call the cops if I need their help, etc. etc. etc. However, I've also done my share of civic duty, helping out in times of floods or natural disasters. Pulling people up off of rooftops so they didn't drown. Delivering food and water to people who wouldn't have it otherwise. Away from my jobs I've put in hundreds of volunteer hours just this year alone with no benefit to myself at all. That's more than 90% of the average person will do in 5 years.
Today, a teenager wants to pitch a fit if you even propose the idea of them volunteering at an animal shelter or something. If they don't get instant gratification they're not about it.
>>710361944
It's not the amount of money I disagree with. I don't care if it's 30,000 per citizen or a nickel, I disagree with the fundamental principal of the government taking the majority of mine or my family's shit when I die and giving my kids a "portion" of it instead of the other way around.
What part of "freedom" stipulates an individual has to just sign their shit over to the government when they kick the bucket instead of gifting it all to their kids?
Again, this is just a fundamental difference between republicans and democrats. As a republican, I don't care if all I have when I die is a pair of fucking socks, the government doesn't have a "right" to claim that they deserve 1 of those 2 socks.
>>710346971
Why Americans have so much difficulty with your vs you're?
>>710362349
Of course our instinct is to care more about our descendants than others. That's human nature. But if society collapses due to massive wealth concentration your kids are still gonna be fucked matter how much money they have, since it isn't gonna be worth shit anymore. It still behooves you to do what you can to ensure society can still function properly, and not simply say "I'm not going to care about anyone but my descendants" if your descendants aren't able to survive entirely separately from the rest of their society.
>>710362547
It's not going to the government, it's going to the other members of the society you lived in. It may have to go temporarily to the government for redistribution but that's not who is ending up with the money. Do quit strawmanning already.
>>710362321
I have been voting 3rd party since I started voting.
Doesn't make much of a difference in my state but it's gaining momentum finally.
There's no reason your kids deserve a dime of what you made in your life. When you die it should go to any spouse you may have and if that spouse wants to give some to your kids they can do that, and the kids can pay 90% gift tax on it if they don't invest that money in land assets within 12 months. After that, if your dpouse dies without remarriage the government gets everything.
>>710362349
I can't believe you're wasting all this text on a delusional communist and mental infant. But I guess you're enjoying yourself.
>>710362884
This year I had to write in Bernie on principle but I will gladly vote third party in the future.
>>710362689
If you have to wait on some older fucker to die so you can take his shit instead of asking the 300,000,000 other people in a country to pay their taxes then let the whole fucking thing burn down in my opinion. Liberals love to argue that "those 5 greedy motherfuckers over there are running this society into the ground" while completely ignoring the millions of fucking people that don't even bother to file taxes every year.
It's not that that one rich douche isn't paying enough, it's that he's paying 1000x more every year in taxes than the average citizen and 1 out of 3 of those average citizens isn't paying any taxes at all. I'd argue that if there weren't so many dumbass people skipping their taxes and hoping to get away with it, we could eliminate an entire branch of the IRS that's sole purpose is to catch those same deadbeats.
>>710363219
I'm amazed how many of you are unable to comprehend that redistributing wealth of dead people ISN'T a tax because it's not going to the government. Then you turn around and talk about how people not paying their taxes as if it has any relevance whatsoever.
The money is not going to the government. I do not know how many times and ways I have to say this before you understand.
>>710362880
I don't know what you're trying to argue exactly? Fuck you and everyone like you if you think you personally deserve anything I work for and earn through my lifetime. I don't know how I could make that any more clear and just repeating "strawman" at me doesn't make you seem like you've got any more logical of a position.
I don't subscribe to any "redistribution" or whatever you want to name it this decade. If I want to leave all my assets to my kids, I have every right to. If I want to donate it all to my church? Again I have every right to. If I want to get buried with every iphone, laptop, and car tire I've ever bought it'd be a waste but it's my right to do it.
You or anyone else doesn't have any say in what I do with my shit and I'd just as soon set it all on fire the day before I die than give it to you when you've done fuck-all to deserve it. That's called freedom.
>>710363219
Why not both? Those 5 rich guys are absurdly wealthy. It's immoral. Take their money. They have no entitlement to it. Their wealth is a social construct and society has the right to seize a reasonable portion of it.
>>710363389
You literally just said inheritance tax isn't a tax.
uh...what?
Yeah, i'm turning around and talking about the millions of people who don't even file taxes because it's relevant to the conversation. Focusing on a handful of rich fucks that you'll never meet and saying how they should pay millions more than they already pay while ignoring the ten motherfuckers you probably pass at work that don't even file taxes is hypocritical at best and downright stupid at worst.
>>710363486
Now you're just trolling :^)
It's immoral to be absurdly wealthy? kek
>>710363473
Well don't fuckin argue against me if you don't understand my point.
Redistribution of a person's wealth after they die would help stimulate the economy by keeping money in circulation as opposed to it sitting in some fat cat's bank account for 80 years only to be transferred to his kids bank account for the next 80 years etc which causes wealth to become extremely concentrated and a large amount of money taken out of circulation. Both of which are bad for the economy.
If you really can't understand why the above concept is preferable to our current system, despite how you may feel about it, then you're the mental infant here, not me.
>>710363678
I guess if you work in a company with a thousand people you may see 10 people who don't file. Where are you getting this idea that working people don't file taxes?
>>710363678
I never talked about the inheritance TAX, I said the LAWS governing inheritance needed to change. Taxes are payments to the government. the money in the situation I'm talking about would be redistributed to the members of society itself, not paid to the government. How is this a difficult concept?
>>710351531
you're a dumb cunt
>>710363742
It's not that I don't understand what you're saying but your positioning yourself like a lunatic in this discussion.
Obama dumped a trillion dollars directly into the economy and it failed to stimulate it so please save me the science fiction about a few million bucks from some dead old fuck doing what he couldn't.
Who are you to say what that old guy can or can't do with the money that HE earned in HIS bank account? Who is anybody? What exactly have YOU done personally to "stimulate the economy" lately? The answer is nothing, or next to nothing, so you're a hypocrite to put that on some old rich fuck like he has some obligation that you don't. This is real life, this isn't daycare where you get to say "That kid has more toys than me so he has to give me some." Get real man. You're starting to sound really, really young right now.
>>710363735
Not trolling bro. It's immoral to be that wealthy. perhaps you don't grasp the magnitude of how wealthy those 5 guys are. If you believe in basic principles like "every one should pay their fair share" and "people should be rewarded for hard work" then you can't support wealth concentration to that degree. There is great value in the capitalist system but the status quo has become perverse.
>>710346971
Immigrants dive the minimum wage down.
>>710363883
It's not a "difficult concept" to understand. What seems to be difficult for you is understanding that someone could disagree with your "give me your shit when you die" ideology. This is the difference between Republicans and Democrats, again.
>>710364175
And again, democrats don't believe in this lunatics communist fetishism. Pleas don't lump us in with him. He has his own party.
>>710364124
Bottom line no rich fat cuck is keeping you from making yourself successful. "The man" isn't holding you down and it's a sad waste of life to wait around for handouts when you could be doing amazing, productive things yourself. No one said this "life" shit was easy but that's what upward mobility is about. You bust your ass and give your blood, sweat, and tears to make your situation better and, until someone does that, all their rambling about "but these rich guys bro" doesn't mean shit in the long run.
I mean, we could all be working right now, earning money building our wealth but here we are posting on fucking 4chan.
>>710364088
I never said it was something that would solve all our problems ever. Don't put words in my mouth. I said wealth concentration doesn't end well for anyone, even the filthy rich, and that if we continue on our current path we're gonna see that firsthand. It's more of a preventative measure to keep things from getting worse than they already are.
>>710364307
Hilarious that you call me a communist, when these ideas literally come from ones the founding fathers themselves believe in.
>>710347493
Henry Ford, the anti-Semite and occasional automobile manufacturer knew this. He paid a wage thst allowed his employees to finance a car.
He hated Jews so he must be right.
Google Deerfield Chronicles.
>>710348147
I would but I don't speak Arabic.
>>710364467
I'm already successful. If you're happy competing with the rest of society over 10% of the nation's wealth then I don't know what's wrong with you. You'd be happy struggling to get your share even if it was 1%, as long as you get to talk down to people for not working as hard as you and that's why you get to eat beans and live in the sheet metal hut and they're stuck with cabbage water and a cardboard box home.
All of you should read goddamn Capital in XXI Century.
>>710364467
See, when 90% of wealth is kept by 10% of people and 1% has 50% of wealth, which will soon happen, nothing you do will give you any kind of substantial wealth. The 1% doesn't need anything from you, really. They have literally 10 people on your place. They're gonna pay you as little as possible, because they will be the only ones who can actually pay for anything.
You're just having mental ideas about how working works from an era of unprecedented changes after the WW II. It won't happen again, there will be no growth like at that time and gains from capital will keep getting higher than gains from work, making you poorer and more miserable while feeding those who never worked a single day in their lives, because they inherited a fortune that works for itself.
>>710364697
With Thomas Jefferson taking the lead in the Virginia legislature in 1777, every Revolutionary state government abolished the laws of primogeniture and entail that had served to perpetuate the concentration of inherited property. Jefferson cited Adam Smith, the hero of free market capitalists everywhere, as the source of his conviction that (as Smith wrote, and Jefferson closely echoed in his own words), "A power to dispose of estates for ever is manifestly absurd. The earth and the fulness of it belongs to every generation, and the preceding one can have no right to bind it up from posterity. Such extension of property is quite unnatural." Smith said: "There is no point more difficult to account for than the right we conceive men to have to dispose of their goods after death."
Just in case you want to call me full of shit, look up the quote for yourself if you like.
>>710364853
That doesn't say that estates should be abolished or distributed to the people. That's when you pop over into loonyville.
>>710365063
Oh good then obviously you can tell me what exactly it IS saying we should do about the problem.
>>710364710
Only that anons post didn't make a lick of sense when you consider how much dumb shit the federal government wastes tax money on. I'd really like to know how much he/she's been "paid back" from paying into those taxes. We're funding multi-million dollar speckled trout farms in the middle of bumfuck, Iowa with federal money along with a bus-stop that cost 1 million dollars to build in arlington, va. ONE MILLION.
It's not that Republicans are tax-obsessed, it's that democrats just put their blind faith in the federal government and think they have their best interests in mind so surely taxing rich people more and dumping more money to waste into the bucket is the answer. Republicans want to know why we're paying for "life coaching" to bureaucrats with tax money.
It's not that there isn't enough money already, it's that people in washington are spending it like dumbfucks in the most inefficient ways possible and Republicans believe, and have always believed, that states are more suited to make better decisions about things like roads, schools and other shit than the feds.
That's what it boils down to. The federal government makes a program to handle a problem then makes 3 more programs just to check up on the first and the budget balloons to God knows what. How fucking logical is that? For real?
>>710365306
It seems to be linking wealth concentration to inheritance, and suggesting that people ought not to be able to hold wealth in perpetuity. It's specifically referring to English estates and inherited wealth and alluding to the failure of feudalism. It is not, however, the communist manifesto by Karl Marx that you are trying to read into it. It does not call for seizing estates and distributing to the populace. Even Marx would side-eye that nonsense.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YAGZ6jSf45A&feature=youtu.be
i too like politiks
>>710365456
Yeah, and tell me how effective are corporations at spending their money.
I doubt they have better returns than the government (though, of course, it's so much harder to count returns from the government, as it includes better health, better education and so on)
Also, Democrats are not left wing. They are centre right.
>>710365456
The fact you are concerned about 1 million dollars like its a lot of money ensures that you are and always will be a serf. You have not even an inkling of how much money is being withheld from our society by the extremely wealthy. I hope all republicucks aren't as blind as you are.
>>710365654
And the other option is... what exactly? If estates should not hold money in perpetuity then what do they do with.
>>710355417
>>710365891
The fact that you don't think building a bus-stop for 1 million dollars when the materials would cost less than 15,000.00 is a wasteful and inefficient use of labor just shows what an idiot you are. But (surprise) that's why communism failed every time before.
>>710365780
Your "feelings" of "doubt" are no basis for an argument, anon. Not to mention the fact that the government, unlike corporations, have an inherit duty to the people by design. Comparing the two is quite literally apples and oranges but I would argue without a doubt that most corporations are run more efficiently than federal government. Microsoft doesn't have to pause their new Windows project and dump 20 billion off the side to build a useless fish farm up in Montana somewhere because a few environmentalist whackos show up at their office and yell a lot of mean stuff.
>>710357261
My dads business went down when he passed, the tax wasn't the only contributing factor but it didn't help
I really don't think you understand what a company is; they're different from corporations
>>710365917
Ideally you develop economic policies that are prohibitive toward absurd wealth concentration in the first place. In the meantime, you levy reasonable taxes on estates, preferably progressive ones. In the range of 5-30%. In my opinion, we ought to seek an economic condition that optimizes two competing interests: fair distribution of wealth and capitalist motivation. A progressive tax can find this balance easily. As income and wealth rises, more money is taxed. That money can be used to subsidize the lower earning brackets, who contributed to that wealth in the first place. Capitalist motivation is preserved as their is always more money to be earned, it just becomes marginally less. Raise capital gains taxes to a commensurate level. Then estate taxes become unnecessary, and high performing earners can pass wealth to their children freely. None of this would be necessary if workers were paid fairly, but of course, capitalist self interest is incompatible with fair wages, so a progressive tax is necessary.
>>710346971
Being left-wing makes no sense unless YOU'RE a poor cuck drain on society.
Prove me wrong.
Pic unrelated
>>710366344
You have reason to believe this bus stop only used $15,000 of materials or did you just make that up? The project budget information should be available.
>>710366868
Now when you argue this shit, you liberal/progressive/democrats always cherry-pick the fat fuck super rich guy to justify it without seeing how you're shooting yourself in the foot.
Ted is 24 and still lives with his family in their 250,000.00 house. Ted takes care of his widowed mom while he works shifts at the local factory/supermarket. Ted's mom dies.
According to you, Ted should now pay 30% on a 250,000.00 house. $75,000 a random fucktard now owes when he works at a factory or a supermarket. What options does he have but to sell the house he's lived in his entire life? He's got to step down and live a lower life so the government/people can take some chunk they feel "entitled" to by some magic sorcery and now his life is fucked and worse off.
That's not freedom, democracy, or America. Sorry.
Can't believe my thread is still going.
Extra thaught: liberals are also right-wing. American liberals are the only ones stupid enough to not realise it.
>>710367035
Right wingers are cucks for rich fags. They would gladly let their liege lord fuck their wife on their wedding night because he earned that right by his noble birth, and if the republicuck can get noble blood he will do it to his serfs wives in turn.
>>710347564
Your argument is invalid. Take Russia for instance. Russia has insane number of billionaires and all of them are conservatives who support Putin. The gap between rich and poor in Russia is tremendous.
The trickle-down economics isn't working. Only fools fall for that shit.
>>710367308
>cherry-picking
>proceeds to pick biggest juiciest cherry
I'm fine with the threshold being estates valued at 50+ million.
>>710364175
The inheritance tax only affects the extremely wealthy. Wealth dynasties are bad, and have been bad for almost every society.
>>710367035
The essence of the left is wanting an even playing field for averyone. That doesn't mean the end of capitalisim or that you can't be incredibly succesfull, or end up a hobo. It just means everyone can get the education they want or the life they want if they try hard enough.
And fuck you for critisising my english
>>710367678
I wasn't cherry picking. I was picking an average scenario that is most likely to happen, not the 1/100,000,000 fat fuck rich guy you're trying to change the goal posts for.
I disagree with the whole thing on principle alone, so $5 or 50 million doesn't mean shit to me. I don't want anyone telling me where my money/assets have to go after i die and I'm not going to tell someone else they have to do the same. $50 million is a slippery slope to $5 to $500,000.00 until the federal government is too big to even control anymore. We're already pretty much there as it is. I think it's crazy you're so eager to put so much faith in the federal government to control your life.
>>710367869
people can do that now. your point is moot. these retards are just arguing to get a piece of some dead guy's shit now.
>>710368154
If you're born poor or in a shitty neighborhood you can't.
The right wants equial opportunity
The left wants equal outcomes regardless of work put in aka wealth redistribution.
Humans work off of incentive.
>>710368075
Estate tax is the least of my concerns. I'm not sure why you're so hung up on it. Progressive taxes are my bag, and fair capital gains taxes. You're free to leave your kids $500,000,000 but it will have been heavily taxed while you were alive to repay your debt to society for helping to create your wealth. When your children invest that money they will be taxed on their gains. Eventually taxes will become so high it will become extremely difficult to gain wealth or even possible to lose it, thus ensuring that you are indeed earning your wealth if you have such extreme wealth. It's obvious that this is the optimal economic model.
>>710368572
They paid taxes on that already.
The estate tax fucks over small farms and business
Most farms are owned by corporations now
Thanks estate tax
So if you are taxed on income at 35% $1 is now
.65
Estate at 50% your total money earned is now .15 Fuck that
>>710368550
American republicans and democrats are both capitalists. Communism is extreme left. That's more of a Euro thing. We have very few people that far left in any powerful positions. They are mostly in universities.
>>710368550
The left wants equal opportunity, the right wants to preserve what they have
>>710368790
What do you think the ACA is
>>710368738
I really don't agree with estate taxes but I can see their place in fixing some overboard wealth situations, but I'd much rather see the wealth become difficult to maintain because of capital gains being taxed adequately. I'm not going to argue about estate taxes with you because I don't think it's a good policy in general, and indeed it feels unfair.
>>710368738
Can't you imagine estate tax that taxes owners of land worth more than, say, a million dollars? Or estate tax you don't need to pay for your first plot?
>>710368933
No just outcomes thats why they punish the wealthy or those who produce and give to those who do not.
>>710369002
A million dollars isnt shit for a farm or small business.
>>710368985
Why do you think its the gov or your job to ensure someone doesn't get too rich?
>>710368967
If you think the ACA is communism or wealth redistribution you are both uneducated and brainwashed. The aCA is a republican-designed policy FYI.
>>710368738
Farms are not owned by corporations due to taxes. Same thing happened in England in XIII century.
It's because the poor land owners have no way to save money, so when the economy get worse they need to sell their land. The rich buy it. Then the poor have no way to make money and can't buy it back when the economy gets better.
>>710346971
>Being right-wing makes no sense unless you actually earn money
ftfy
>>710369082
In my country is. Whatever, put any number you find appropriate. Make it progressive. It isn't that hard.
>>710369153
Voted in by ZERO Republicans.
Designed by RINO's.
It is leftist in nature
The Gov should have nothing to do with Healthcare AT ALL
The working class Chads are leaning right
>>710369362
Naturally, why would they want to shoulder the load for neets
>>710351531
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>>710357133
>These niggas think 'you're' is spelled 'your'
You guys are funny, just because he happened to spell a different word right doesn't mean he spelled the first word correctly, thus he cannot spell.
>>710369133
Because being rich is a social construct and society has a right to regulate it. Why do we have a right to tax at all? Are you suggesting we don't? That's called anarchy. Under anarchy it would be your responsibility to protect your wealth. Someone else could just come take it if they can get it. As a society we agree to live under a rules system that protects properly. Inherent to that construction is the right to regulate it. If the social construct is broken, as it has been by the ultrarich, we gain the right to take wealth back.
>>710369272
Yes it shouldn't be necessary but it's a band aid to help alleviate the symptoms of a failing society. If we lived in a fair society , patches like the ACA would be unnecessary.
>>710346971
>Being right-wing makes no sense unless you're self-reliant
Fixed that for you
>>710369580
This is correct
>>710370030
you'll still fie in the streets if you're not self reliant in a leftist society. You got it wrong
>>710369133
By the way it's not about preventing anyone from getting too rich. It's about ensuring that wealth is being held efficiently. Society doesn't benefit from some dynasty hoarding untold millions. Use it or lose it. The entire premise of capitalism is that wealth accumulation benefits society by creating works, buildings, projects, etc. Hoarding benefits no one. The fact that wealth is being hoarded is a symptom of systemic failure. Incentivizing usage of capital only benefits society, even those with wealth.
>>710356367
It would if you practically double the wages. Don't be stupid. 15 an hour would greatly increase the cost of goods and services. It wouldn't help but only hinder the economy.
>>710368322
I was born poor and in a shitty neighborhood.
I'm tired of hearing this crybaby bullshit to be quite honest. You're going to be a victim your whole life if all you do is play the victim card and don't do a fucking thing to change your situation.
also go fuck yourself
>>710371485
And that's the problem these idiots don't understand.
You want $15 min wage? Ok cool. Your fries from McDonalds are now $12. That soda from the gas station? That'll be $9. That new car you've had your eye on? You'll need a loan for 140,000.00 to buy it.
But you've still got that $15 minimum wage and that's all that matters, right? :^)
>>710371676
Literally everyone understands this. They just don't agree that it's a fact that it will happen. The idea is to shift the burden from the employees to the corporate profits. If McDonald's simply raises prices to compensate they risk reduced sales, since they will also lose sales to all the people already earning $15, who now can't afford to eat there which will hurt profits more. If they earn $3 on a $5 sale, they would rather lose 1$ in profits than lose the sale altogether.
>>710371485
Source: your ass
There is no confirmed relation between minimum wage and unemployment
