What is the smallest calibre you would trust to defend yourself with?
Personally I wouldn't use anything smaller than a .45 or maybe a 9mm, at least i know whatever i hit twice in the chest isn't getting back up. I wouldn't trust a .22 or anything else to be honest.
.380
Same size as a 9mm but shorter in length. Definately gets the job done.
Definitely*
.40 S&W
>>710091349
>Same size
>Shorter in length
>>710091349
Agreed
>>710090333
.22 Magnum. At close range.
Anything else? 45. or 38. or 32.
>>710090333
I'd trust anything that can get atleast 8 shots past their skin, it doesn't really matter the damage more so how much pain their in. That's my thoughts on it though.
>>710091619
>casing
>not the same as round fucker
>>710091461
This... /thread
>>710091349
.380 has been known to bounce off heavy clothing
>>710091619
He meant to say it's the same diameter
>>710091794
Nearly the same capacity in magizines as a .45, with less stopping power, there is a reason why they call it Short&Wimpy
The smallest I would carry for defense is 9mm or 38 special.
My daily carry.
As long as your shooting dumdum rounds, it's all the Same.
>>710092045
>Nearly the same capacity in magizines as a .45, with less stopping power
How much less?
>>710090333
Ten 22LR rounds ought to immobilize any nigger, have almost no recoil and be relatively quiet. Do you need to blow chunks out of a perp? Then by all means get yourself a 10mm or .45 and have at it.
I figure one round each per knee and elbow leaves me six rounds if I want to do it Black Knight style. Then figure that after that two rounds per eye socket and one round per nostil Agent Cooper style ought to wrap things up.
>>710092899
How's the weather in Fantasyland?
>>710090333
> Trips
> Checked
>>710092108
You actually shoot 357s out of that?
Ouch!
>>710090333
.32 ACP.
>>710094592
hopefully practices with light loaded reloads
I shot high-grain 357 out of a tiny revolver like that at a range and damn near lost it. Have to use both hands and cringe through the powder burns if you're serious about carrying it.
>>710090333
l would empty empty my clip of .22 magnum inside your cranium before you had time to do a follow up shot after your effete limp dicked self fires his 45 towards the ceiling
lt's a shame kids these days get their knowledge of guns from videogames and internet memes instead of real life combat situations.
>>710090333
>calibre
anyway, the smallest I'd go with is whatever I actually have some range time with. Not to beat /k/'s dead fucking horse corpse, but if you don't hit target, it doesn't matter what size the bullet is.
>>710094592
Yeah, I practice with full power .357 loads.
Anything less isn't really practice.
A few times a year is all I really need.
20 RDS at a time. Once shot 50 RDS and had a bruise on my hand for 2 weeks.
It is brutal. Feels like someone hit your hand with a hammer. But when I NEED to fire it, I doubt I'll feel the recoil at all.
my fist is enough, i don't live in constant fear that i need to carry a gun
Shot placement is the most important thing but I wouldn't recommend anything smaller than a .380. I wouldn't even recommend a .380 in our current era of slim 9mm handguns.
>>710091461
>>710091794
Agree /thread
>>710097223
Proud of your weakness?
You have even admitted a general need for self defense with "my fist is enough". Yet you bask in the warm glow of your weakness?
Admit it.......you think crying and running will solve all your problems. You will never fight...ever.
>>710090333
never use anything under a .50 and then only raufoss
>>710091732
honestly this is the dumbest thing ive read in a long time. if you are shooting someone, you are trying to kill them not make them cry. shooting them 8 times in the arm isnt going to usually effectively stop the threat.
>>710091873
Plz show me .380 bouncing off thick clothing. I smell fuddlore
>>710097843
Cool i'll never have to fight. What a peaceful world we live in
>>710090333
.177 caliber
Seriously, it may not be something life threatening unless you shoot someone in the temple or the eye or something, but who wants to get shot by even a pellet gun?
>>710092899
Kek something tells me you're not old enough to buy a pistol
>>710095108
Yes because the 22mag is such a popular round for "real life combat situations"
it's gotta good spread
>>710098458
>>710095108
Real life combat situations you say? So I'm guessing standard issue for most of our military and police force are those amazing .22 you're so keen on?
Give me a fucking break.
>>710097426
agreed. .380 is a very niche market that greatly compromises lethal effectiveness, with under-powered caliber and low ammo capacity, for small size.
Canadafag here
The range plinker i would never ever dream of carrying for self defense ;) is 22lr because i can have an unlimited amount of it in a magazine, but other calibers i can only have 10 rounds per mag. 15 rounds per person + no mag changes > ammo conservation because i don't want to stop shooting to change mags.
any airsoft w/ the tip black
if that doesn't bluff them then I bring out the other hand w/ flamethrower and napalm them
if they set any personal belongings alight while they thrash around, then it's aluminum baseball bat time. Blood puts out the fire, don't you know.
9mm HST
I just moved to a rough area. I started carrying my Jennings .22 daily, it's easy to conceal and had virtually no recoil. Figure it's enough to stop an attacker. Maybe not the best in a shootout, but it'll stop a mugger
>>710098159
Retard!
The sad thing is that you actually think you're being cool.
You aren't.
You're a proud victim.
>>710099182
maybe. pepper spray would stop the mugger just as if not better
>>710099314
*just as good
Buy coach gun.
Defeat Evil.
Maybe it's true... I own larger handguns but they are harder to conceal. I've had the thought that the .22 is feeble, but again if I hit a vital part of the body I should be ok. Im counting on being close to my attacker
>>710099277
This is what happens when you live in a place full of niggers
>>710099601
That's an awful lot of if's anon. Carry whatever you're comfortable with, but at the end of the day concealment<effectiveness.
>>710099182
Most people can't shoot for shit both .22 and .38 are popular with assassins in most situations they usually use bullets that have been modified to explode so if you do not know how to make them they would be a poor choice for leathal force unless you are a great shot remember it is about internal damage .22 and .38 will not leave the body so less collateral damage.
>>710090333
depends on the casing of the bullet too
>be unarmed robber
>person points semi automatic co2 BB gun at you
What do? BB's hurt too
>>710099601
i value my life enough that i dont compromise when it comes to something that may save my life someday. 22 is better than nothing but there are so many other objectively better options
Valid argument. I have to be 90 days resident to apply for my CCW. My weapons aren't registered to me, they were inherited. I guess I'd feel less sketchy if everything was legit, wouldn't feel like concealment would be as big of an issue.
>>710100031
>be unarmed robber
>>710099838
The same reason stun guns and pepper spray only sometimes stop rapists. Pain isn't why guns are used. Guns neutralize people, stop them from functioning.
Probably this is the lowest caliber I'd use to defend what's mine from some nigs
>>710100051
Well if it's just to get you through a short period...the only thing I have to ask is why you need to carry. Is it really worth the risk? Can't you hold out for the 90 days? Just questions.
.22lr is sufficient for self defense.
9mm/.38 and up if you're it in a shoot out situation & need to pen walls, car doors and the like.
if someone comes at you and you put 2 or 3 rounds center mass, a .45 or .22 will do the same shit.
>>710099042
P9HST4
The area I moved to has gang activity and specifically where I work there's a lot of that bad element. My co worker was assaulted on the job last week. I'm not absolutely terrified, but the pistol definitely calms the nerves
>>710099755
>assassins
>explosive bullets
lol
how many confirmed kills do u have?
>>710100269
No. No they won't. If you're assuming it will dissuade the attacker, you're counting on behavior to save you. The .45 center mass doesn't rely on that. It puts them down, whether they want it to or not.
Plus, you have to count on center mass with the .22 to really have the deterrent effect. Put a .45 into a shoulder and that's a whole lot different than the .22.
Not saying the .22 is worthless...but trying to pimp it up as if it's equivalent to larger cal rounds is misleading.
>>710100225
If you have impeccable aim and hit them in the eye that's a weapon right there
>>710100031
Take two or three BBs before I start beating the shit out of you.
> B...BBs hurt too!
So do words, Anon-chan, but they aren't going to stop me robbing you. And once I've punched you in the throat I'll shoot you in the nuts with your fucking BB gun, you soft cunt.
12.7mm hehehehehehe
>>710100522
Pic related is who he thinks he is
Video related is who he really is
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zG7EsJzZ0DU
I have 9mm Beretta that I've thought about taking to register. I have this fear that it will be confiscated because I inherited it from my father and it's a police issue. I remember my dad mentioning it has the capacity to hold more rounds than the standard. It holds 15
>>710100379
my edc is p9hst2, 147gr. also have p9hst1's,124gr, that i would be fine with. +p is useless for my needs. I run p40hst1 in my XD-40
>>710100839
where you live?
>>710100269
don't pretend self defense and a "shoot out situation" are separate? do you pick one of two weapons depending on how lucky you feel when you wake up in the morning?
Why take a chance with your life? just get a real fucking sidearm and remove the variables that the lackluster .22 throws into the equation.
>>710100513
This guy gets it
>>710100839
I wouldn't take anything I wasn't sure was 100 percent legal. There are plenty of resources out there to find out what is and isn't legal in your area. Do the research first, don't just go in assuming anything.
Tacoma WA
![Springfield-longslide-1911[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/sy57BLy.jpg "Springfield-longslide-1911[1].jpg")
hand cannon
>>710100929
this. the choice of using, or not using, deadly force is to prevent said shootout.
I tend to do that, I imagine a scenario where I'm forced to use it... For some reason I never put a larger weapon in the perps hand. I haven't been carrying long but maybe an upgrade is in order
>>710090333
>45
Are you a marine, dude lol
I took a self defense course run by a guy who used to do hostage rescue. He was the guy you sent in as a last resort.
I learned a lot from him.
One guy asked "What's the best gun to carry?" and I'll always remember his answer.
"Any functional gun and 2 seconds warning will do more for you than being surprised with a submachinegun".
So
1) The best gun is the one you have with you.
2) Keep your head out of your ass.
>>710098086
This
>>710101425
Makes sense
>>710095108
Is this bait? This has to be bait.
Femanon here who wants a gun to carry in my purse and stuff what do you all recommend?
>>710100763
Have you ever been shot by a BB? It just doesn't hurt that much. Not enough to stop me from robbing you.
>>710101024
meant for >>710100919?
>>710101570
Walther ppk
>>710101624
Yea, just figuring this shit out
>>710101570
Need more info. Have you shot before? What's your comfort level? Price range? Things like that.
>>710101730
No I haven't ever shot before
Comfortable around all guns
No price range
>>710100886
The bad guy will not be able to tell the difference. I carry the 147 +p in a Walther PPS and a Glock 19 but have some of the standard pressure too.
>>710100839
>>710101681
you dont have to register or do anything. you having the gun is 100% legit.
>>710101425
The first rule of gun-fighting is "have a gun."
you do know a .45 may not even go through the windshield of a car right?
a "bullet" can be too big thus slowing it down after it travels more than a few meters.
.38 or .357 is largest i'd go for an overall "self defense" round.
sure a 40S&W and .45 have more "stopping power" but there are far too many "what-ifs" and I choose to trust my life to my LCR 38+P
>>710101813
I'd recommend trying a few if you can. Find a range that you can rent different handguns. Start with something like a 9mm, and work your way up from there. If you're comfortable all the way up to .45, I'd say stay at the upper limit. But the most important thing about the gun is whether you are comfortable shooting it. If you are worried about recoil of a specific gun...that's not the one for you. Just play around with different calibers (and makes if you can) to get a sense of them.
If I were to give you specific advice, something like the glock 26 wouldn't be a bad starting place. It's 9mm, with a decent mag size. It's a little on the pricey side...but easy as hell to shoot too.
>>710090333
All that's needed is a .22. There's a reason why it's the choice gun for assassins. To be honest, anything bigger shows the person's insecurity so they want a big looking gun to scare someone or make a lot noise.
>>710101813
honestly i dont think you should have any gun until you get professional training, for everyone's sake.
>>710102012
What's your source? If I'm open carrying and a cop stops me, how do I prove its legit?
>>710090333
Whatever calibre a howitzer is.
>are you faggots even trying to defend your home
>>710101570
A Smith & Wesson J-frame like the Model 442. It is .38 special with concealed hammer. Wouldn't be for a small purse but there aren't many guns that would be. Walther PPK is a great gun too but there are lighter (i.e. not steel) .380 pistols these days. I always hear of women loving the Kimber Solo.
>>710101581
Obviously enough to piss you off over 4chan though lolz
>>710092428
It sounded like a dumdum to me too
.380, because they're small, light, and effortless to carry concealed and the gun you have with you is way more effective than the one you left at home.
>>710102218
from the internet. you dont have to prove anything.
>>710102218
You live in America. I do not know if Washington State has any magazine size restriction but even if they did you would probably be grandfathered in. But unless you are a convicted felon I don't think there is anything wrong with your owning that gun.
>>710102174
Obviously I'm going to get training before actually buying one
>>710101887
in short barrels +p doesnt really offer any performance advantages over standard.
>>710102124
Thank you!! I will look into it :)
>>710092899
is this...is this autism?
>>710102464
I have a clear record n all. It's legal to open carry in WA I hear, but it gets attention from police I'm told. I'm not comfortable enough with police to pestered. I've just been preoccupied honestly to do research but now I'm really intrigued.
>>710102557
good, not everyone on /b/ is that smart
>>710090333
Japanese 2mm pinfire pistol
>>710102760
lmao you're right
>>710090333
I would never consider using anything lower than a 26" bicycle wheel.
>>710102702
it gets attention from everyone, cops dont automatically contact every person OCing and even if they did there's nothing they can do except maybe run the serial # to see if it's reported stolen. which its not.
>>710102968
>not picking the classic phillips head screwdriver.
>>710090333
wouldn't it be much nicer to live in a place where guns are unnecessary?
>>710103368
Oh yeah, so which country do you live in that has a 0% rate of violent crime?
>>710103478
no place is zero, but it many places the likelihood of being a victim of violent crime are comparable to that of winning the lottery.
on the other hand, gun owners have a significantly greater chance of being victims of their own gun.
>>710090333
I've seen .38s careen off windshields - no good in a city like this.
>>710102968
>Hear rapscallions rummaging around in my domicile
>Tis the moment i was waiting for
>Rush down with 2 single fire black powder flintlocks tucked into my stained briefs
>all 3 stop in awe of my patriotic glory
>Shoot my 50 calibre lead ball round out of my first pistol, blowing a hole the size of my fiat into the first ones chest
>Shoot the second one and it flys off target, killing my dog
>Dive behind couch as they spout filthy british lies at me
>Roll out my 200mm cannon filled with grapeshot
>Yell "NO TAXATION WITHOUT REPRESENTATION"
>Shoot the cannon, turning the 2nd charlatan into fine mist
>the third man stares into the 7 foot hole blown into the wall of my trailer, going clear through my neighbors wall
>Rush him with my triangle bayonet, stabbing him in the stomach, creating a wound that will never be able to stitched up
>Just as the founding fathers wanted
>>710103676
so you'd rather die from a home invasion than put a bullet between their eyes?
>>710103198
I would recommend getting a concealed carry permit. Open carry may be legal but, in general, I don't think it is a great idea. In a rural area, fine. But otherwise I wouldn't recommend it. First, it makes some people uncomfortable. It is their problem, but when they start crying it can turn into a problem for you. Second, and most importantly, you probably won't have a "retention holster" nor the training to stop a lunatic who might decide to grab it from you.
>>710103817
this guy gets it
>>710103368
>wouldn't it be much nicer to live in a place where guns are unnecessary?
Sure. But it would suck balls to live in a country where the average person was not free to own them.
>>710090333
500 SW
Anything less is just asking to get yourself killed.
>>710090333
Why the fuck du you live in a place where you need a gun?
>>710104083
Psh, get the 20mm anzio or go the fuck home
>>710103998
CC is the way to go
>>710103949
do you have reading comprehension issues?
>where i live is peaceful
>chance of home invasion practically zero
>gun owner's chance of them or their family being wounded or killed by own gun
>about 1 in 10,000
i'll go with the better odds
>>710104108
Maybe he is too poor to move away from the third world?
>>710104074
why?
>>710104163
I love how people spew this stat, but dont realize its so high cause they count suicides in it
Of course its high then,.niggas tryna die
>>Itt: bunch of Faggots who don't know shit about guns and arnt old enough to own handguns
>>710103676
> gun owners have a significantly greater chance of being victims of their own gun
Hood rats getting jumped and shot by other hood rats do not count, you fucking retard.
Ever bother to think for yourself?
>>710104163
but you're still opting out of being able to defend yourself and your family by extension of being a fucking pacifist.
But what do i care, your children's lives mean nothing to me. Would've hoped they'd have mean't something to you though.
>>710104149
How do you like your bootleg Glock 26?
>>710104361
Enlighten us, o wise and eminent faggot
>>710104295
i don't think including suicides diminishes the statistic.
maybe you won't KYS, but someone in your family might.
i'm not saying guns should be illegal. i just prefer living in a place where owning one is more dangerous than not owning one.
>>710104481
Suicide is not mutually exclusive to guns and their ownership/presence.
Even if they were, who the fuck are you to try and dictate if people chose to live or not?
>>710104379
>their
>own
>gun
statistics based on legal, registered ownership. how many hood rats can or do legally own a gun?
>>710104450
i am defending my and my family's life by not owning a gun.
again
>chance of home invasion
>almost zero
>chance of family hurt by own gun
>about 1 in 10,000
how is this unclear?
>>710104538
learn to read
>>710104199
>why?
By all means, go ahead and surrender your liberty. You'll forgive if I won't.
>>710104635
how can you cite that statistic with a straight face? are you so fucking weak willed that killing yourself or your family with your own gun is relatable? how about keeping your firearm secure like an adult.
>>710104465
wut? i dont have a bootleg 26... but anyway I really like my edc gun
>>710104693
gun ownership =/= freedom
>>710104361
Guess again, faggot
Anybody here know a good 45 round? I usually buy government standard
>>710104726
the numbers speak for themselves
>>710104881
typical.
>>710090333
my girlfriend 12mm semiautomatic, 5 shots
>>710104549
>statistics based on legal, registered ownership
Do you really believe that? You seem to have not thought this through.
>>710104812
It does mean freedom, cause once you give up one liberty, you lose another
Im a born filipino, and in my country, we elected a president who decided to stay in power by declaring martial law in 72. First he came for the guns, then the political opponents. It ended (along with him) in 82. And we only got the right to own a gun 4 years ago. And even then, its up to the police captain liking you enough
>>710104863
Federal HST and Speer are top notch. Hornady Critical Duty is another.
>>710104812
>gun ownership =/= freedom
Freedom to own guns = freedom.
You a retard, cuck or French?
>>710104942
>typical
>butthurt by facts
look, you want to own a gun. i get that. the constitution says it's OK, it fits with america's pioneer spirit, and guns are kind of cool.
but don't fool yourself believing you're protecting anybody.
>>710104863
>>710105108
winchester PDX1 is also good.
>>710105108
>>710105197
Thanks friend, ill check them out.
Is it legal to buy ammo online? I hear conflicting reports
>>710105113
then why isn't america the freest country?
>>710105197
Didnt mean to respond to you>710105277
>>710105300
Name a freeer country and explain why without brining up healthcare
>>710105048
interesting perspective.
however, in many advanced nations where there is no right to own a gun, there is less cronyism, corruption, violence, yet they are objectively more free.
>>710105197
Statistics are relative and those certainly don't relate to me.
>>710105197
>the constitution says it's OK
It's an unalienable right. Look, just because you're too weak or too stupid to stand up for yourself and your rights does not mean I am.
Where do you fucking people come from? You don't have the sense of a mule.
>>710105251
what a scathing riposte
i has a sad :(
>>710105427
And yet, in many countries (especially mine) the corruption and crime is out of control. Truly, if you are a native, the government will milk money out of you til you are dead. I had to pay 7 different taxes and bribe (and i literally mean to bribe) 3 people to get a liquor and food license.
Sorry for my english
>>710105427
Sure thing fool.
You've got an awfully short memory.
>>710105492
do they skip reading comprehension classes in US schools for gun safety classes?
>>710105277
In most states of the union it is, but I would check your local laws. SGammo is a site I have used and Ammunitiondepot. Their site will probably tell you whether they can ship to your state which is probably all the answer you need, but I would check your state law.
>>710105531
I must also add, i cannot speak out against the political parties in my country. I once had 4 men try and burn my house down cause i told the paper how the local mayor was sending people to the shops collecting "reelection" funds
Try doing that in the usa. Everyone here dreams of living in the usa, more so than anywhere else
We dont even bother trying for europe anymore, we know how muslims fuck up a country (south ph is a hellhole)
>>710105531
>sorry for my english
no worries, bro. i understand and respect your point of view. i just think an "advanced" nation like the US should be better than that.
yours should be, too, and hopefully someday it will get there.
I could use about anything but I'm most comfortable with .40. .45's okay but I've found that I just prefer the .40. So the smallest I'd use is probably 9mm. Although I've heard those 7.62mm pistols pack quite a punch. Those can get speedy.
>>710105641
Thanks mate, ill look into it
>>710104984
>12mm
It's a 12ga you fucking idiot
>>710105427
Never been to Mexico, eh? Or even Brazil?
>>710105582
what a scathing riposte
i has a sad :(
>>710105717
The gdp of my country in the late 70s was nearly double of mexicos, and had the dictator marcos not stolen usd billions, my country would be on fhe level with singapore, possibly even japan.
Now we are only above african countries (all of them) middle east (most of them, not the rich fuck one) and other "shit" countries like india
It is an embarrassment to not be respected on a world stage cause of poverty, when my country has an incredible number of stem grads and doctorates
>>710105717
what a condescending cunt
Fuck you
>>710105945
to whom do you think i'm condescending?
>>710106168
Even in asking how you're being a condescending cunt, you seem like a condescending cunt.
>>710105502
A little too close to home I suspect.
.22 would be fine you just sacrificing calibre for quantity. 9mm i think is best medium ground
>>710106235
in the first post you referenced, any condescension was in your own mind.
in the second, it was intentional.
which is worse, condescension or butthurt ad hominem?
Though I suppose a .22 would definitely inflict enough damage to make whoever's attacking me think twice,
these are my preferred calibers to signal my armed state with a due precaution:
>5-10 yards: 9mm
>15-40 yards: .40S&W
>40-100 yards: .45ACP (bit jumpy for my stick-arms, but plenty of bang)
>100-250 yards: Pilum
>>710106168
I'm sure if you think real hard you can figure it out genius.
And try to think beyond next week while you're at it.
>>710106368
You're still responding like a condescending cunt. Is it just that second nature to you?
I carry a Taurus Judge loaded with .410 slugs, just in case.
>>710099351
*just as well
Atleast correct people correctly.
>>710090333
50 cal
Fuckin chill bro
>>710106453
maybe it just seems condescending because you are projecting your inferiority
>>710105828
>Third world post colonialism shitholes
I think "advandced" was the key word, Bubba.
10oz hardened steel throwing knife. No safety, easy to draw and throw in one motion, would surprise the hell out of them. I can put one into a refrigerator door. Also I'm broke as fuck and would rather have a 9mm.
>>710106627
Can you carry those legally?
>>710098086
Getting shot by even an air rifle is painful.
A well-placed .22 will stop you dead in your tracks,
and since there's no recoil, you can be sure you can pelt 'em with half a dozen in 4 seconds.
Unless they're on bath-salts or something.
Then you'll need napalm rounds for sure.
>need a gun to defend yourself
>must be murica
My daily carry is a S&W governor, but it doesn't have enough muzzle energy to explosively vaporize a truly determined attacker, which is why I keep 6 M68 fragmentation grenades on my person.
>>710106725
No lol but I don't know that.
>>710105782
I do not live in the united states
>>710090333
.2mm kolibri
>>710106783
Taking the bait, but I can think of many other places I would like a handgun to protect myself.
>>710106835
This guy ain't compensating, that's for sure
>>710106626
Ah, so you've never been to Compton, Detroit or East St. Louis.
Got it.
>>710095108
>clip of .22 magnum
What is a "clip"?
>>710106798
Wait I just read the knife laws in my state, Doesn't say shit about open carry throwing knifes.
>>710106973
Something no modern firearm uses
>>710106835
Wouldn't want to accidentally bump that trigger; it might break the skin.
>>710100225
I bet you ram that thing up your ass, you fucking poof
>>710106904
He's at the acceptance stage.
>>710106942
l think he meant scandinavian countries when he said advanced nations, not backwater ghetto USA
>>710105368
>without bringing up healthcare
5.56mm NATO Cartridges- XM556 Microgu
>>710106973
>>710107058
>Advanced
>Letting the invaders into your country willingly
>Submitting to their cocks without hassles
Advanced
>>710092108
does that firearm come with mtf hormone transition pills and a 10% off voucher for breast enhancement surgery too?
>>710106626
Now that so much of Europe has been flooded by third-worlders, they may be rethinking their "enlightened" gun control laws.
>>710106834
It doesn't matter that shell is not 12mm.
A .50 is 12.7mm
Lrn 2 gun
>>710107058
>scandinavian countries
Oh, you mean tiny homogeneous 'advanced' countries.
Yeah, the US is a lot more like Sweden than Brazil.
>derp
>>710107102
>Implying heathcare is the signal of all freedom
Yea man, after i toil in the fields all day for pennies and let the local warlords rape my daughter, i can go to the hospital and get my broken hands fixed for no charge
Ahh freedom
>>710099182
Jennings 22 kek. What'd that cost you.. About 45 bucks?
>>710107103
One: is it real?
Two: how much?
Hand Mortar
>>710107134
advanced as economically and infrastructurally advanced, not their stupid immigration policy
you must be pretty retarded to need to have everything explained to you
>>710107270
It is real, http://www.emptyshell.us/xm556-microgun/ it's in development
Taurus Judge with .410 slugs
>>710107311
That implys that the infrastructure is worth anything when your citizens cant use it.
I bet its super cool for the "teen" syrians who get thousands of euros each month and can terrorize the locals into staying.home
>>710100839
You can get tons of police issue pistols off the internet mate. My buddy got a glock that was an old service pistol. I think he paid 200 for it. It's got more than 20k rounds through it and still shoots great. You'll be fine
>>710106627
you're set if any refrigerators try to break into your house and steal your shit
>>710107478
"is your refrigerator running?"
>>710107522
"it's not anymore, bitch!"
>>710102174
Kek fuk off pussy faggot
.50
>>710107346
But can i own it? I know in a technical sense gatling guns are legal, but its hard as fuck to obtain one
>>710107434
>.410
>slug
Choose one
Also uselss piece of shit pistol
Ultimate nigger blaster
>>710107572
Look up the very real double barrel 191q
Ive nevere wanted something so bad
2 Gauge
>>710107447
... and what does that have to do with what we're talking about?
you're either mentally defect or a troll, l'm out bubba
>>710107636
1911
>>710107434
Slight overkill, but if you are in snake country I guess you can have some birdshot on hand too.
>>710106627
Pointless.
You'd never be able to throw and incapacitate someone with that.
Weeb tier self defense
i trust my sturdy 357 millimeter revvolver in case of trump supporter attacks
>>710107570
There are .410 slugs, what's your point? If I'm in a public place and need to defend myself, I'm not going to use fucking buckshot because it could hit other people.
Clearly you've never actually used the Judge before, because it's a beautiful gun that works great.
>>710107103
"Hey, Mr. Burglar, could you help me move this crate full of ammo? Yeah, that's right. Just help me get it onto this pallet jack. Thanks. Now hold still. You're doing great!"
>>710107663
>My country is super advanced
>The citizens cant use the super advanced shit and tourism is nonexistent cause of the rapists i let live here
Goodbye cuck, i dont want to have to explain the world to you. Enjoy your retardation
>>710107229
Hahahahahaha rekt
>>710107709
Except it doesn't.
If you actually owned one you'd know that.
Ive been managing a shop/range for 12 years and can tell you first hand you'd be better off with a fucking .380.
Kek
I like the .38 special/357 magnum
its traditional and what ive always used so id rather not stray from it
>>710107636
TOP FUCKING KEK
in an end of the world scenario i would hire this guy to blast niggers with those quads for my protection in a heartbeat
>>710107663
You are right, sweden has more freedom than the usa
Freedom for refugees and not for the hardworking swede.
Freedom to fear the refugees who dont have to fear the law, but the white swede has to fear
Freedom for the swede to watch his wife and child be sexually harmed every time they leave the house
50AE
>>710107889
Pointless
>>710107851
The same company made a 4 barreled shotgun, and a double barrel pump action
They are doing the lords work
>>710107821
It does work well. I probably would be better off with something more practical, but I still love the thing. It was my first handgun, and I have a lot of respect for it.
10 mm auto
>>710107973
Carry whatever you damn well please. Just saying using .410 slugs is the same thing as using a regular round, except you're sacrificing accuracy, recoil, and usability for a barely functioning novelty.
>>710092899
Step back people we got john marston in the house
>>710108117
Maybe it is a novelty, but barely functioning? I've never had it fail to shoot. You act as if the gun isn't capable of killing people... you clearly have no respect for guns, and I fear what you are teaching people as a manager of a gun range.
>>710107676
lol, a knife is pointless, but I'm not a weeb. I just enjoy knife throwing as a hobby. But it's true I wouldn't throw it at someone. I'd use it like a traditional knife. If they drew a gun though, who knows. It could save my life.
>>710108237
I teach people to practice practicality, as that is what will preserve their lives in a real life scenario. That gun is not practical in any sense for a real life scenario. Sorry to berate your choice in hardware. But if I didnt I wouldnt feel that I did what I could to help you stay alive god forbid you ever do have to draw on someone.
>>710101570
a general rule is to carry the "largest caliber gun you can fire accurately". it can be different for each person. you really need to fire different calibers to figure out which ones are good for you.
some women carry .45s - some .380s. it's better to have a six-shot .38 or a wimpy .380 in your purse than a .45 sitting in your bedroom.
if you're going to carry it in your purse, you want to stay away from pistols with exposed hammers.
people sell purses designed for concealed carry. just Google "concealed handgun purses"
>>710108238
If you're close you have a good chance
>.38 special snub nose revolver by Rosi.
>H&K P2000-.40.
>Colt 1911 .45- New agent, so the barrel is shorter and clean shaven with no iron sights.
Not him but....
>>710105368
Have you not given an honest look into:
only need to pick one(1)
>Your horrendous fucking legal system which is a dog and pony show.
>Ameriburgers "law enforcement". Holy fuck where do we even start with this shit. (Though I will admit that it's a comfy enough fucking job and you get to blow off work every time ONE OF MY BROTHERS IN BLUE 99999 MILES AWAY DIED IN THE LINE OF DUTY in a car accident WHAT A BRAVE SOUL.)
>Absolutely fucking raped and scammed regularly by: banks, insurance, own government regularly
>Oh we are so happy you decided to go live and work abroad with your new family anon, but don't forget that you have to pay us taxes!
>Women are social terrorists and hold you hostage financially or socially at the snap of a finger
I wont even start with the plethora of other issues including employment standards and protections as well as the availability of no decent public education and your curriculum constantly being cucked and butchered depriving your low socioeconomic children of a proper education, workers rights and your sham unions that muscled their way into the work force and are simply out there to tax the poor even further for their own benefits and interests.
BUT LAND OF THE FREE XDDDDD
>>710108627
>federal premium rounds that are hollow FMJ Hollow tip for the .40 and .45
>>710108622
can't rob somebody from far away, lol
>>710108817
You can muder someone from pretty far off.
I don't need to wave around a gun for protection, the authorities protect me, and neither do you have to. But none of you are doing it for protection anyway, you just want to feel tough and manly.
>>710108992
>The autorities protect me
Glad you live in the local police station
>>710108886
If someone wants to murder me from far off, there isn't shit I can do about it unless they get my attention first. So why worry about it?
>>710108648
U so jelly.
>>710108490
>general rule
lol says who? there are mannny more variables you have to equally consider
>>710101570
tips or gtfo, this is /b/ , not /k/ femanon.
>>710108648
Not the same guy
But you should really think about how long ago a post was made before you post
How the fuck you think the nigga still here?
>>710108744
>hollow FMJ Hollow tip for the .40 and .45
wut
>>710109116
not very practical in a self defense situation unless the attacker is also flying an aircraft, but super badass though
>>710109116
Yah bro totes.
>>710109159
Don't really care. I was watching some double barrel vids on youtube. Tight.
>>710100453
A .22's bullet inside the head breaks apart the brain matter inside. While a .40 caliber bullet has such force where it could go in and out of the head. Same for the body, a .22 bullet stays in the body which is hard for surgeons to repair before it does its damage, a .40 bullet can go out of the body a gift to trauma surgeons.
>>710101570
Taurus Curve
Done deal
High cap mag.
>>710102263
Kimber
>classy
X-15 flamethrower
>inb4 you can just shoot tank, just wait right behind door and surprise em
>>710090333
anything over 22.
when it comes to self defense its not about stopping power
its about making a bang and causing pain
no idiot will keep going after they have gotten shot no matter the calibre
ofc if its a fucking soft airgun its not going to do much good
.22 becasue they have killed more people than any other bullet
>>710109471
lol does what damage? why is it harder?
>>710109860
Bullshit. You put a threat down with lethal force. Fuck hurting him, put rounds into him till he hits the ground.
>>710109907
Why do morons think they're such arrogant wannabe smartasses when they're really dumbasses?
>>710098086
nigga pls a shot over their heads is enough to stop 99% of all agressors
NO ONE WANTS TO GET SHOT YOU DUMB FUCK NO MATTER THE CALIBRE
>>710091873
You're full of shit about the .380.
Cite legit sources.
>>710109980
>made up data is made up
lol stay in school, kiddo.
>>710109980
>Mfw 1% Kevlar face mask master race.
You're all morons. You get a double pump shotgun and fire two blasts into the air, it'll stop any would be assailant
>>710101570
VZ 61
>>710101570
This is the only clear choice for you
>>710106456
Judge with slugs? Why not a defense round, or buckshot at the minimum?
>>710109980
so a gun loaded with only blanks is just as good/useful as the gun with real rounds. k
>>710109951
Yeah thats why cops have a wide varity of non leathal options to take down criminals
the best way to deal with a threat is to become the threath and you know what? a 22. is enough to turn you into a deadly threath with less chance of having a human life on your hands
now pls if you want to sit and cradle your rifle while hopeing for a nigger to break in be my guest but that does not make you rigth
>>710090333
You're a moron.
.22lr has a huge fucking track record of lethality in people.
http://www.buckeyefirearms.org/alternate-look-handgun-stopping-power
Guy who did the study is a cop, and had access to police and ME files for the study.
>>710093204
You volunteering to prove that being shot with a .22lr isn't lethal?
This will do the job
>>710110327
I'm not arguing a .22 can't be used defensively, it can and if thats all you're able to get then you make do. Theres much better options though, rather than shoot a guy in the head 5 times with a .22 you get a 9mm and shoot him a couple times in the chest and move on.
>>710110326
In most cases it would do you just as much good, since 99% of all intruders/robbers will run for their fucking lifes as soon as they even see the silhouette of a gun
how hard is it to understand that guns are made to kill and that most people want to live
>>710110451
OH. Or even better, throw a hand grenade at him.
>>710110459
>pull your fake gun on a nigga with a real gun
hahah good luck.
>>710110451
you obviously dont know what you are talking about
you have probably never shot a gun and you most dont understand ballistics and what a bullet will do to the human body
go play CoD
>>710109907
It's harder for surgeons to retrieve a .22 round that has broken apart into pieces inside of a brain than it is to stop the bleeding from a .40 hole in the head where the bullet has exited already.
>>710110599
>implying niggers are brave
>>710110599
This will definitely scare them away
>>710110599
>pull fake gun
>5 niggers run away
success
>pull fake gun
>1 nigger with real gun
>nigger dose not dare to pull gun since he has a gun on him
>nigger runs away
success
>pull fake gun
>intruder hides in house and calls police while pissing pants
>>710110688
I've always feared the day we use such blasphemous weapons of mass destruction
>>710110789
Oh look, it's not a black man, it's a white intruder. And he thought his white privilege would save him even though he was the one doing the crime.
>>710110683
This
>>710099277
Grandpa forgot to take his valium this morning
Did soomboody say spidermoon gun thread?
>>710110890
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51LsU-FPVLo
3 niggers 3 guns
1 asian lady 1 gun
lets watch what happens
>>710111087
I ain't clicking that shit nigga.
>>710111134
>embedded youtube link
>afraid to click
Man i hope for your sake you are trolling
>>710111234
Just because you imply a reason why I said I won't click it doesn't mean it's the reason I'm not clicking it.
>>710098231
Air rifles are bad for the kinds of situations everybody's talking about for mainly two reasons
1. Tight spaces make longer guns a no go
2. Miss your first shot you probably won't get a second one. Or at least with the pic you provided.
>>710111285
Oh so then you arent clicking simply because i posted a real example of a home invasion happening, and it happens exactly the way i said it would happen, meanwhile its not any where near what you implied it would be?
that gun could just as well have been loaded with blanks and those niggers would have run all the same
>>710111347
I could see a bb gun kinda working, it might help. Get one of those co2 pistols and just unload on someones face, maybe you hit them in the eyes and you can take their gun and us it.
>>710107821
Hi /k/!
SCCY CPX-2 poly 9x19 new and Radom 1973 P64 9x18 police issue refurb here, opinions?
