[Serious Thread]
I need some help finding a life size buster sword or a greatsword like the one Guts uses, made from steel and has real weight.
I plan on actually training with and swinging this thing around.
Why? Because it's something I always wanted to do before I die.
I'm pretty sure no one has something like this just laying around, so is there a blacksmith I can contact?
I hope this is b8
Also, it needs to be durable, bulletproof, explosive-proof, and we'll just overall unbreakable. I'm talking even a round from an M1 Abrams couldn't hurt it.
Contact MichaelCthulhu on youtube. he has made both, but more practical, the actual buster sword is suppose to be an inch thick, which would make it HEAVY AS FUCK.
>>709817590
Why? Because it sounds 'edgy' or because you're homo.
Look up Michael cthulu on youtube. He's made one and he'll make another if you commission him
>>709817744
That's exactly what I'm looking for. A 1 inch blade made from the right materials. The ones I've seen so far have been as thin as sheet metal.
Serious tag on /b/ rather than surf the web.
Honestly google the SCA branch in your area and they can give you an idea of any local blacksmith-esque persons willing to take on a project. Keep in mind you'll be shelling out serious cash.
>>709817888
Just look up michaels video on youtube
I know for a fact that OP is under 16
Pure autism...
...into my bloodstream...
...I'm high as fuck off this post
>>709817888
That would weigh several hundred pounds dipshit.
nice trips doe
>>709817389
alright buddy, I hope you have the money, because it's definitely gonna leave a huge whole in your wallet, goyim.
>>709817389
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vGkcgGf2Fzw
>>709817627
are you retarded? And i don't mean that as an insult. Iam genuinely concerned.
>>709817389
actual body builders wouldn't be able to swing that thing around easily.
>>709817389
what like wield it like cloud and zack?
physically impossible
its insanely large and heavy
its shape and size make it stupid as fuck and impossible to use effectively
if i were you id buy a polypropylene bokken
theres one on ebay thats far smaller than the buster sword but same shape and style
>>709817389
You'd have to work your arms to the point of joint degeneration. Don't do it.
>2/10 bait
>people are still replying
Those aren't possible to swing around. No matter how hard you try, they aren't for humans. The sheer weight of it is insane, it's simply not something that could happen in real life. If you want one for decor, that's alright, but you will never wield a 50+kg sword.
>>709817752
Why? Because as far as I am aware the only people that would ask a question like that are either 12, trying to bait, or are retarded enough to actually believe something like that would work. For the sake of the OP, I am hoping it is bait. So go fuck yourself fag.
>>709817627
You had me until it being tank proof
>>709818015
World champion strong men could wield it
professional swordsmith here. Historical stuff, not fantasy shit, but, means I know a bit about these.
I had a friend ask me about what sort of weight Guts' sword would weigh, from a set of dimensions he had online. so I did some calculations for him as a favour.
assuming distal taper (narrowing of the blade thickness), from the values circulating the internet, I worked out it would weigh about 21kg, 44lbs.
and the sword from FF is even bigger.
that's approximately, 300% the weight of the largest genuine medieval parade swords... about 400% of the weight of a heavy genuine bidenhander, the sort of thing carried by Landsknecht mercenaries. Its about 800% of the weight of a genuine two-handed sword from the high gothic era. and its about 1,500% of the weight of an average single-handed sword from western europe.
anyone who imagines that they could swing it around has absolutely no clue what 21kg is. its roughtly the equivalent of a full 3ft high gas cylinder, attached to a stick.
good luck swinging that around.
So many weakling out here tonight.
I can swing a 44lbs sword like paperweight.
>>709819530
ikr
>>709817389
https://y ou tu.be/xogheZdAO18
>>709819530
Do you not know what 21kg is?
>>709819277
Addendum: if it wasnt made properly, without any distal taper for weight-saving, then the estimate for guts' sword was 32 kilos. about 65lbs.
>>709817888
a one inch thick blade 8 inches wide, with a hexagonal cross-section <====> like that weighs 0.9027kg, 1.99lbs, _per inch_ of length.
Assume a 48 inch blade? I'll let you do the maths. Add 50% to that weight for the hilt to balance it a bit, and you have a good ballpark figure for a sword that insanely oversized.
>>709819055
No they couldn't, they could carry it and maybe lift it sure.
Wield is a word with a specific definition, you bait flinging homoking
>>709819735
46 lbs.
Dude I have 50lbs dumbbells .
>>709819530
21kg is 46 pounds.
46 + 44 = 90 pounds
still sure you can handle that?
>>709819931
Added with the 44 pounds that'd be almost a hundred pounds.
On a stick.
>>709819979
That's a fraction of my bench press.
>>709819530
no, you cant. No-one can.
that's why they made swords light. because, despite what your armchair fantasies while watching conan might tell you, a lighter sword is actually advantageous.
its a common misconception. you see people pick up a real sword, and their reaction is "where's the weight?". or "this isnt real. real ones are massive" - even when the real one is an exact reproduction of an original sitting in a museum.
I'm pretty sure the heaviest sword to be used in an actual battle was like 8 pounds
There's a reason why, believe it or not
>>709820076
so you can pick the thing up and carry it, maybe swing it around a little.
swordfighting is a lot more difficult than that.
>>709820076
Good job son, you're common sense could use some work though dipshit
>>709820197
No they pick up a real sword and go wow this shits heavy as shit
>>709820197
>>709820222
>>709820333
A real swordfight isn't about swinging like a maniac. A buster sword or dragonslayer sword could easily break a regular sword in two.
>>709820573
i just fucking said that a swordfight is more than jsut swinging it around? im not the blacksmith anon
>>709817389
You don't you just go on YouTube and luck up the stupid motherfucker who made a career out of forging ridiculous swords
>>709819931
take your 50lb dumb-bell, r even better, take a set of weights with removable weights. put one 20-25lb weight at one end. put the other at the middle.
clamp it down, then pick it up by the other end, and swing it around.
(congratulations, you've just re-invented the Indian clubs - good for specific types of arm strength training).
you probably can swing it around - even with a long bar, say, 1m long, 25lbs at the end isnt too hard to swing.
but halfway through a swing, suddently try to stop it, and move it in the other direction, as if you're trying to block an incoming swing from someone with a real, 2-3lb sword.
Good luck with that bit.
You can swing, yes, but you cant change direction, you cant make fast movements with rapid acceleration or changes of direction. That is physically impossible.
>>709820333
Your not fwing fwing zshing clanging through ths sky like an anime character. You haul the slab of metal around and drag swing the thing with your whole weight knocking over anyone in front of you and hacking through people on the ground like an axe through wood.
Test
>>709820222
The reason is because he weirder is a weak ass pussy.
>>709817389
Swing around a 1" length of rebar if you just want to hurt yourself.
>>709820573
You know actual sword fights lasted like seconds at a time right? You'd never get a chance to lift a sword a quarter that size before pic related ends you in just one poke
>>709820910
im fucking laughing
have you never see a video of fencing before
>>709820830
>someone is retarded
With a greatsword you stay on the offensive. The only time you defend is by blocking and getting behind the blade, not countering.
the one from the anime wan prob like 200lbs min
>>709820567
>No they pick up a real sword and go wow this shits heavy as shit
well, true, you get the "oh! that's heavy!" as they lift it, without even realising how heavy it is.
I've had someone say that, while picking up a two-handed messer (something like this one) that weighs just 880g - under 2lbs.
people dont have a clue what weight is when they lift it half the time, they just have their preconceived notions and afterwards, will swear that 2lb messer was "about 10 lbs"
>>709820910
you need to lay off the japanese cartoons
>>709821123
Why would I use a fencing sword to hack through people? I'm talking about the big ass fantasy sword. Made of tth strongest of steels that I use to crack the boulders of mountains. For i am the mountain troll
>>709821123
Fencers are gayboiis with NO defense.
Swing a greatsword at a fencer and he'll be wondering why he didn't just bend over and become a trap.
>>709817389
In all seriousness a katana is better in any way
>inb4 weeb
>>709821300
I switched to Korean cartoons . More racisim.
>>709821418
Speaking of defense. Fencers can't even peirce light armor, so yea.
>>709817389
ask this guy, he actually sells them
https://www.you tube.com/watch?v=S4yWxvdHeUU
>>709821418
Oh! So sorry Sir Knight Douchebag!
>>709821389
lmfao even sword from OP's pic can't crack mountain stone.
if you wanna hack through people, swords aren't your thing.
swords are for slashing.
axes are for hacking.
>>709821300
>>709820700
>>709820333
>>709820222
>>709819277
>>709819055
>>709818011
>>709817888
>>709817744
postan in get thread rolldog
>>709821603
fencers can't pierce light armor because the practice swords have fucking guards you retard
>>709821191
I've studied a german school ( Meyer, a two-handed "great sword" a ) for about 11 years.
you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. You stay on the offensive, yes. but if you try it with a weapon that's so heavy you're trying to fling a weightlifting bar with 50lbs on the end, you wouldnt ever hit anyone. because you're either be turned into a kebab by the other guy before you'd even started to move, or the guy's going to use his brain, and keep you at range for the 60 seconds, 90 seconds whatever it takes before trying to keep up the momentum completely exhausts you, and you're unable to defend... and again, you end up a particularly raw kebab on the end of their weapon.
The reality of sword-fighting is VERY different to how you think it is.
bloody good fun though.
>>709821693
>but but muh poke
>>709821545
faglord katana fanboi
>>709821603
do you wear light Armour all the time???
>>709822108
I wear heavy armor all the time
>>709821389
>Why would I use a fencing sword to hack through people? I'm talking about the big ass fantasy sword. Made of tth strongest of steels that I use to crack the boulders of mountains. For i am the mountain troll
well, the mountain troll bit might be true, but the rest is pretty much divorced from reality.
>>709821545
the katana is incredibly flimsy and was discarded after a few seconds into battle in the samurai days, retard.
>>709822108
Yeah, who doesnt. A t-shirt could stop it.
>>709822005
That's some nice chainmail you got over that neck of yours
It'd be a shame if something were to pierce it
Also you are a massive faggot to post that picture becuase you saved because you think it looks cool as opposed to an actual armored person
>>709821887
its not real fencing practice unless 6 students are fatally wounded every session.
... you know, thinking of that, I bet you there's probably some bullshido school of weaboo fighting that actually claims that.
Someone tell Master Ken.
>>709819277
Have my babies.
>>709821545
>Spear
Fixed that for you bud
>>709822391
I literally just grabbed a pic from Google you cock strangler. I was looking for a real guy, but surprise surprise, heavy armor brings up nothing but video games.
>>709817389
i have one the i have been making for awhile now, trust me it isn't something you can just pick up and start swinging around
>>709822327
a shirt stopping a rapier???
Man the was a dude who got killed threw fencing armour with a broken blunt fencing sword
As a professional steelworker that makes bolt on blades for a living I can tell you, I can throw a 1"x8"x7' (~177lbs) about 15 feet. If I tried to swing around a 1/2"x8"x7' at one end I'd break my back. Your fuckin thread is retarded
>>709817389
HAHAHA
>>709822536
to true
>>709822741
>guy dodges
>fencer's blade gets caught in shirt and stuck
>other guy grabs said fencers hand
>inserts pee pee into poop chute
>>709817627
>A round from a m1 Abrahams couldn't hurt it
If that was the case, it would be so dense and heavy your skinny autist ass wouldn't be able to lift it off the ground.
>>709822637
> but surprise surprise, heavy armor brings up nothing but video games.
that's probably because no-one who actually has worn properly made plate harness calls it "heavy armour".
>>709823017
Isnt that how Conan ended
>>709821418
Dude fencing is cool as fuck. It's an elegant style of speed, precision, agility and raw skill. A top tier fencer could end any of your fantasy characters in less then a second.
This is a modern fencing dsword.
The reason it cannot pierce clothes and light armor is the small square or rounded guard on the end of the blade. This is here to prevent any harm to students.
Swords can't pierce if there's nothing to pierce with.
>>709822891
>As a professional steelworker that makes bolt on blades for a living I can tell you, I can throw a 1"x8"x7' (~177lbs) about 15 feet.
that's about 14 feet more than I could, and I make swordblades for a living.
>>709822637
Who the fuck refers to it as 'heavy armor' out side of a video game?
You're so delusional
>>709823155
>A top tier fencer could end any of your fantasy characters in less then a second.
Someone watches too much gay porn.
>>709820076
yes 2/1 of your bench. faggot.
>>709823343
Anyone who has a social life...
>>709823155
With a gun I can shoot you before you get anywhere near me
>>709823463
Try me faggot.
>>709823419
>actual swordfighting practice
>gay
Good look looking for swordfighting practice outside of fencing, retard.
>>709817389
If you want to get really immersive make one yourself. Learn how to forge.
>>709823551
Kek
>>709823125
Obvious weak point at the inner knee. No neck support, broad blow to the side of the head would break your neck. I will never understand th function of the big wrist guard, looks like I could grab the guard and offbalance him unarmed
>>709823551
You do realise that fencing teaches you to be agile, right? Top students could probably dodge a bullet, literally.
>>709817389
Seriously, OP, would a sword like that even be practical?
Just get a fucking gun for christs sake
>>709823343
Anyone who refers to various types of Heavy armor as a type of heavy armor. The definition of heavy armor is "armor that is heavy" and thats it. It's not a specific name it's a desription of the weight of the armor
>>709823646
>what is kendo
>what's wood?
>what's plastic?
Lmfao.
NERD!!!!!
>>709823761
you're fucking idiot, you know that right?
>>709823716
not while he is swinging at you
>>709817389
it only has two materia slots why would you try to get a better sword? what a noob
>>709823761
>dodge a bullet
>>709823761
Kek yeah you think that anyone on earth has the reflexes AND movement speed to do that. At a mile away maybe. 30ft not So much
>>709823761
that is an absolute exaggeration.
the best modern sport fencers might be as fast as a greased weasel on crack, but they're only human. no-one can dodge a bullet that's coming toward them.
the only sense that they might be "faster than a bullet" is, bloke with epee or foil, standing less than 20 feet away from a bloke witha gun, has a very good chance of stabbing the guy through, before the other has drawn and can shoot.
>>709823324
Truth be told I tend to get a lot of back injuries. But I also get mad sometimes and go outside and throw steel around
>>709823419
Bitch pls xD
>>709823125
is that you? you fucking nigger.
>>709823761
fucking retard
>>709823842
Shhhh, he still doesn't realize he's wasted his life studying swords and katamas.
>>709824191
you just throw random pieces of steel around when your mad? bet your neighbors love you
>>709823646
There's actually a lot of swordfighting methods being taught all over still, western or eastern doctrine. Fencing is probably the only really recognized sport though
>>709817627
a tank of that caliber can punch through over 1,000 mm of steel, you know.
>>709823761
I think the only hope for a fencer in that case would be to be faster then the gun holders eye, and trigger finger.
>>709822891
I can throw 200 lbs 18ft. I can handle a buster sword.
>>709823636
What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bitch. I’ll have you know my name is John, and I woke up this morning 5:30 sharp to the smell of wet pussy. I was getting a blowjob from two bitches (Shit was SO Cash), one was trying to fit my humongous 3 pound balls in her mouth while the other was choking halfway on my 18 and 3\8 inch dick. She started to squirt hard, she was convulsing and having 6 orgasms at the same time. I gave it to them and they were on the floor squirting like motherfucking fountains. Must have come about a quart of sperm and compressed air. Imagine your best orgasm, then multiply it by 35. I had to go to base camp so I front-flipped from my 14th floor barracks into my valet parked 2012 Ferrari (I got connexions). Pushed my shit to about 4 hundo (mph, mind you) and I was at base camp in no time. When I entered, I became a top sniper and was granted access to the entire arsenal of the USMC. I learned how to kill someone in over 700 different ways and was assigned to be the leader of a squad that will kill 300 terrorists using gorilla warfare tactics. Also did 6000 push-ups, 8000 sit-ups and bench-pressed 30 plates in 16 minutes. After basic training, I met a network of secret spies who will help me trace your IP address, while eating gold plated sushi and 15,000 $ champagne. My unit got the rest of the day off and I became captain of our base’s football team and starter of the basketball team. I got straight A’s on the military entrance exams and received more awards. Meanwhile, you were jacking off to pictures on Facebook and naked drawn Japanese people. Went back in the Lambo to my barracks and now I am getting ready to go to sleep. I am going to graduate at the top of my class in the Navy Seals tomorrow and I want to look pretty much perfect for it. Don’t be a stranger and remember, I did more in one day than you will your entire life.
>>709824494
Fml, alright cut the tank rounds out and make it thinner to compensate for the agility I'll need to dodge the rounds then.
>>709824537
im calling bs
>>709823941
If I'm unarmed and unobstructed by ridiculous armor I'm undoubtedly fast enough to dodge whatever he's swinging. You would be easily capable of this, I'm sure. Full plate is effective in battlefield conditions but it's a major hindrance when there's nobody to help keep you upright. He has no inner knee guarding because that's probably intended to be worn on a mount. You should probably look up the actual intended use and functions of your interest
>>709824708
We all know it you didn't need to
>>709824708
How can you call it bs if neither of us have even wielded a Buster Sword?
>>709823761
this guy is right. most fencing students can dodge bullets. confirmed. professional fencer here.
>>709824191
LOL WTF?
>>709817389
its a fantasy sword.
it has no practical uses and would most likely break in half as soon as you hit something with it.
>>709817389
There is certifiably no point in having a sword that heavy
All that mass means shit if you don't he have enough velocity to make it work
>>709820910
>Americans
Since when is /b/ serious? Oh wait, this is bait. In that case,
I own a real life buster sword. I also have Cloud's sword from Advent Children. To me it only weighs 20 pounds because I'm a skilled swordsman. To an ordinary person, it weights 20000 pounds. I once sliced through a live RPG round because that's how Alpha I am. I can also call on the power of quads to rain hell on anyone who says otherwise.
>>709824242
He's clearly a mexican
>>709823716
>Obvious weak point at the inner knee
italian armour. its designed to be worn on horseback.
knee and upper thigh are exposed to allow you control over the horse in the saddle.
> No neck support, broad blow to the side of the head would break your neck.
they do wear helmets with it.... something like this pic, with padding inside.
and glancing surfaces are designed so its very difficult to land a solid blow that will knock the head to the side.
>I will never understand th function of the big wrist guard,
>looks like I could grab the guard and offbalance him unarmed
glancing surface. these are designed to protect firstly from a strike coming foward, while on horseback - so gauntlet cuffs, the big elbow fans, etc are all designed so a lance point, an arrow, or a sword will slide away, whenever possible.
it is possible to bind up the person and slide a sword blade down the gauntlet, into the back of the hand, out the palm of the hand, and control the guy's movement that way - its actually recorded as an attack method in a 15th C german "fechtbuch" - a manual written for teaching people to fight in armour.
the problem is, the guy in armour is also probably trained to grapple you - medieval europe had a body of techniques very similar to Judo or Krav Maga in many ways, but suited to use in armour. so if you do grab him, well, he's wearing solid metal and you arent, you really arent going to end up better off if he knees, elbows, punches, or headbutts you...
>>709824876
only fencing students, too. fuck monks and greased up weasels on crack. confirmed. professional bullet here.
>>709824400
At work in a steel yard lol wtf
Go tour a steel plant if you wanna talk about noise, nobody can hear me over the din of 300 ton punches and 2500 psi gang drills and cnc drill/mills
>>709824537
You either missed the point of that statement or there's a fishhook in my jaw
>>709825311
oh, i thought you meant at your house or some shit,
>>709825425
Missed the point.
Is he trying to impress me or shut me down?
I won't stop just so you guys know. I have one life and I'm going to live it out until I kill myself.
>>709825030
I operate equipment built in the 30s and the only modernization have been safety oriented. I have good days and bad, but man does it feel good to just fuckin smash around some steel bars around
You guys are all fucking autistic I swear
>>709825716
Smdh.
>>709825100
Checked. So when you cut the rpg what did you do to divide the explosion?
>>709824876
Do you wear a black trenchcoat and teleport behind people?
>>709825840
He probably casted Shell beforehand.
>>709825708
do you mind that you keep injuring your back from throwing steel you fucking lunatic?
>>709824824
>If I'm unarmed and unobstructed by ridiculous armor I'm undoubtedly fast enough to dodge whatever he's swinging.
You're not.
Armour is a MASSIVE advantage, because it gives a huge amount of protection, but it doesnt actually slow you down a lot. lets assume you can run a 100m in 15 seconds. in plate, you can do it in 16. you arent the lumbering Black Knight in monty python sketches. The stuff is an incredibly mobile, flexible exoskeleton that is distributed over your entire body. It weighs less than a modern soldier's field kit, and is spread better.
> You would be easily capable of this, I'm sure. Full plate is effective in battlefield conditions but it's a major hindrance when there's nobody to help keep you upright.
Oh FFS. watch this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-bnM5SuQkI
this is a friend of mine, Dr Daniel Jaquet. he's studied historical armour mobility at a PhD level... you are not a turtle in it. he's run a marathon in his harness. he can do gymnastics. I've worn armour for years. the only reason I cant do a cartwheel in it... is I cant do a cartwheel in normal clothes. you can be knocked over, and be back up as fast as anyone unarmoured.
the whole idea that armour is too heavy to get up if knocked over is a victorian myth.
>>709825678
I'm sure you could get a realistic claymore or zweihand or whatever and maybe work your way up, but the physical forces required to do exactly what you're describing aren't humanly possible. Unless you start rocking steroids maybe you could. The question is how bad do you want it?
>>709825311
who the fuck uses the word din in 2016, you fucking faggot. 80 year old old fag detected trolling on his grandsons laptop, looking for porn.
>>709825931
yes, I shop at an online store where you get one free fedora for every trench coat you order
>>709826103
lol wtf is this based on?
>>709823551
Hello, Dr. Jones.
>>709826054
IF MY BACK WAS THAT BIG OF A PUSSY MY BACK COULD FUCKING KILL ITSELF IN SHAME AND I'LL GET A NEW ONE
>>709825193
I guessed they'd wear helmets, but your pic helmet doesn't look like it would keep your neck safe. Obviously greater mass has its advantages but in a 1 on 1 there's no way a full armoured individual could out maneuver a similar individual unhindered. How much do you think the guys armour weighs? Just out of curiosity
>>709826054
I do physio exercises and go to the chiropractor. I'm just occasionally exacerbating an old injury that'll never heal, and the catharsis is to die for. One day I might just go on disability and colleCT pay cheques while my insurance pays my bills and mortgage
AWE me forges all kinds of weapons if you contacted him maybe he could do it.
Also this guy:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vGkcgGf2Fzw
Does anyone know why our military hasn't started using steel armor like Spartans from Halo or even the standard UNSC grunts wear?
Bulletproof, explosion resistant, knife immune, we'd be unstoppable by modern weapons.
>>709826767
what happens when the insurance investigator goes to your house one day and your angry so you decide to throw 200 lbs. of steel 15 ft?
>>709825840
At the time, my hair was combed in such a way that any air or outside force would be repelled.
>>709826900
Because there not dipshits like you i guess
>>709826900
plate mail would get shredded like swiss cheese with a .22 let alone the magnum 50 cal I carry with me at all times.
>>709826420
>lol wtf is this based on?
"based on" in what regard?
his armour is a copy of a Milanese harness of the 2nd half of the 15th century - the original, I think is in the Kunsthistoriches Rustkamer, Vienna. If its not Vienna, its one of the Mantua harnesses he based it on.
the record of athletics that he's based the physical stuff in the video is based on a mid-15th century manuscript called "Le Livre des faits du bon messire Jehan le Maingre, dit Boucicaut. maréschal de France et gouverneur de Jennes"
The stuff about the reality of mobility is based on the facts of what armour is actually like, from the large number of people who nowadays have accurate reproductions of such armour, and use it for martial arts, and research purposes.
>>709826103
So what I'm seeing is after training extensively in armour you are strong enough to fight normally with armour, that's a fair statement. It doesn't change the fact that physics says a heavier person accelerates more slowly. Running a race and having strength is not what I'm saying, I'm saying you're heavier.
Heavier means more inertia to deal with, slower immediate action (regardless of training) and in a full shroud helmet reduced visibility.
>>709821545
Actually Samurais mainly used Jap Spears, Katana's were a sidearm.
>>709827059
It lands on him and he dies. Win
>>709827180
>plate mail
I'm talking about shit from Halo.
is this your ok cupid profile?
>>709826198
Would you prefer cacophony grasshoppin faggot
>>709827256
yes, but when, if ever, will he or you lose your virginities?
>>709826823
Good blokes. I know Matt and Kerry. Baltimore Knife and Sword. I have tool envy every time I see their power hammer. Kerry's got a thing for classic 60's british sports cars. Good taste.
I couldnt think of a nicer pair of people to give $3-5,000 dollars to to make something that stupidly time consuming.
best thing is, it would be as dumb as a bag of spanners to make, but they would be happy to do so.
>>709827389
Damn how did you get that???
>>709823761
>fencers are bullet timers i swear on me mum
>>709827097
Oh fuck you're Donald trump
>>709827483
When will they care enough to lose it?
>>709826515
According to Wikipedia from 33 to 50 pounds
>>709827369
Shit from Halo doesn't exist you dumbfuck.
>>709827059
I launch that little bitch into the stratosphere and go back to work for a year or so lol
>>709826900
Ceramic is superior
>>709827678
>The point
(You)
>>709827779
>reality
(You)
>>709827688
lol
>>709827992
>my di(ckyour butthole)
>>709827656
Shit that's nothing I thought it would be closer to 100 I could be wrong. I'd really like to test this out IRL now. I'd say it could go either way, but I know in modern hand to hand the more agile opponent has the superior advatage whomever that opponent is
>>709826515
> How much do you think the guys armour weighs? Just out of curiosity
about 20kg. 40lbs-ish. I know for a fact that harness is heat-treated carbon steel, tempered to a spring finish. most of the plates on arms and legs are just 0.8mm thick. breast and helmet are thick, but arms arent - so you're not slowed much by it.
that sort of weight really doesnt slow or weigh you down. the biggest problem wearing full harness isnt the weight, its hearing - you cant hear stuff around or behind you easily. (partly why they used to fight in teams - you watch his back, he watches yours. second biggest problem is breathing, it gets sort of hot, you're breathing in a fairly enclosed area, which makes it tough to fight on foot. they often would pop the visor, even if it meant less protection, because it meant you could see, hear, and breathe easier.
>>709828103
I wonder who could be behind this post?
>>709828149
I could swear it was whoever watches the least anime has the advantage.
>>709817389
What a fucking faggot you must be, my fucking sides. This is the most autistic shit I've seen today. This shit was hard to beat.
>>709828454
Pretty sure that image is a joke.
You're the only cringe here anon. Lol oh the irony.
>>709828324
Well this much science has surely proven
>>709828315
How did people beat them?
>>709819277
>44lbs.
no way it weighs that much. that number seems WAY under. and Cloud's buster sword is definitely not bigger than Guts'. Guts' is definitely longer, cloud's is wider and probably not as thick. also FF7 probably uses nice sci fi alloys unlike guts' which definitely would use heavier less refined iron.
>>709828736
disease, typically
>>709828149
you'd certainly have some advantage in mobilty. assuming you weigh... 160lbs, and he weights 160, plus 40lbs of armour, you'll always be slightly faster.
problem is, you're soft, squishy flesh, he's got solid metal over everything. his hands are knuckledusters. his elbows are spikes. the knee-caps have a ridge down the middle that's almost like a blunt axe. a headbutt in an armet, and he's got a pointy beak that will put a hole in your face. and all the surfaces are smooth, polished metal, you cant get hold of easily like a fabric gi in judo for instance.
you dont want to try to throw him, because if he twists and lands on you, you're fucked.
armour is an insanely effective weapon in itself to make the body more effective.
if you're seriously interested, go a google search for "HEMA" and "Harnischfechten HEMA"
>>709817389
0/8 try again
>>709828784
Clouds Sword is bigger than guts'... it's literally as large selection or larger than Cloud.
>>709817752
Hey guy. I'm taking the bait.
>>709828315
Personally I would call laboured breathing a fatal detriment, you'd have to really know what you're doing to make that armour an advantage. It seems to me it's a a great tool in the right hands, but it could spell defeat against an individual that knows your armour and how you have to carry it.
Double edged sword
>>709829041
>>709828613
Are you going to use your limit break on me you fucking faggot LMAO
>>709828736
Option 1: wear armour yourself, so you dont get turned into a raw kebab so fast.
Option 2: get you and your 5 mates to help. they might be insanely well-protected, but its no use if you're pulled down by several people.
Option 3. Hit them harder. a pollaxe - a hammer head and spike on a 6-foot haft, or a halberd, a fucking axe on a 8-foot haft. those sort of hafted weapons could punch through. If you had a sword, you could "half-sword" - hold the blade halfway up, and then stab into the armpit, or the guy's dick.
option 4: shoot him.
option 5. Run away.
pic is from a 1420's manual called "gladiatoria", which shows loads of methods for grappling and dagger-fighting against armour. tip him over, whle he's down, stab him in the balls. its one of the few exposed areas. the others are the armpit, or through the visor slit, into his eye. this stuff was not pretty, it was brutal.
>>709828784
here's the drawing the guy gave me, which I calculated the 21kg / 44lbs from.
no idea if the sizes are right for the anime, never watched it myself. but +/- 500g, that estimate on weight is accurate for this design, assuming that the thickness of the blade gets thinner towards the tip (what's called distal taper) - that moves the balance of a sword back toward the hilt, so it becomes more agile. if "agile" is a word when describing a sword that weighs 10x that of a real one.
>>709830015
lets try that again, helps to remember the picture. Duh.
HERE's the drawing.
>>709828997
Yes those points are all valid. I'm thinking about footwork and forcing the armour off balance. You let him take a swing, sidestep and force you're weight into his flank. Press the advantage, knock him down, grab the pointy face and turn it the wrong way
>>709817752
>I'm living in a fantasy world but you're the loser.
Okay, bud.
>>709830110
looks like he gave you the dimensions for the sword guts uses before getting the sword he's actually known for. yours is the sword idiots like OP could TRY to weild. pic related is literally impossible.
>>709830207
well, you can try.
but the problem is, if he's got armour, we can assume he's trained in it. so, you try to barge him off balance, he grabs you, and pulls you over with him, drops his other knee, and round you go, and now you've got him, in armour, landing on top of you. Crunch.
twisting the head, that's going to be harder than doing it to a guy who's unarmoured - after all, its slippery, almost mirror-polished steel. and his head's inside it padded, so the twisting isnt directly to the body, the strap on a helmet will shift, or the padding will absorb some force - its designed to absorb a lance strike at 40mph, after all.
and all this time, he's able to knee you with a kneecap of iron, kick you with toes that may well have spiked points on the front and spurs behind. gauntlets that have gadlings that will break bone.
its Possible, yes. but you are really at a disadvantage. your only advantage is you're a tiny bit quicker. the moment it gets into a ground game, he's got all the advantages, because you cant punch him in the kidneys, it'll break your knuckles, you cant elbow him in the face, trying to knee him in the balls, the tassets will protect. if you both have knives, you have a chance, that's the best hope.... but if he has one too, you're inherently more stabbable than he is.
Armour is just that much more effective. and its why they wore it. it saves your life, 99 out of 100 times.
>>709819530
this nigga
>>709820197
where the fuck do i find swords with blades as wide as that? I don't want giga-wide swords, but i really love the aesthetic of wide-bladed ones. Seems 99% are super skinny.
>>709830656
oh, FFS. yeah. I cant even begin to guess what that would weigh. more than any human could swing, certainly.
I thought that one in >>709830110 was the stupidly oversized one. Should've known better. Fucking anime... every time.
>>709831255
do a google search for "Oakeshott type XVIIIc"
not many models out there. Albion swords make two, one called the "Alexandria", the other the "Principe".
that one is by a fantastic swedish smith, Peter Johnsson. absolutely beautiful work.
here's another 3 by him.
>>709829341
>download(2)
>2
>>709831854
inconceivable.
>>709831656
thanks, Anon
>>709831948
you forgot the picture
t. asian boy
>>709832323
no, I just felt that I didnt need it for that one.
it would've been too obvious. And Reaction Images? I dont think they exist.
>>709829403
Using an image from KH2? Ok... He's not even the main character in KHUX, they wouldn't give him proper proportions.
>>709831064
In all honesty I'm 6'4" and 265, I can barge over just about anybody. You just crouch a little and force your weight upward at a 35 degree angle, it's a super simple movement. Once you have your opponent offbalance you move to his flank, and knock him over or cut him down at the back of the knee where there's minimal protection. You have to at least admit there's a million strategies out there for defeating an armoured knight in or out of armour. The average man at arms just lacked the training.
I'm probably picturing the helmet wrong but I'm not an armour guy.
>>709832636
> And Reaction Images? I dont think they exist.
Who are you kidding mate?
They are the main reason why i come here. To look at funny reaction pic combined with a funny text
>>709817389
As a massive Berserk fan, you're retarded OP. Dragonslayer weighs 400 lbs. Let's just leave it at that
>>709832986
Then it looks like I need to increase my bench press to 500 in order to compensate.
>>709833421
You could, or you could read a physics book and learn why you still won't be anywhere near strong enough
>>709832739
>You have to at least admit there's a million strategies out there for defeating an armoured knight in or out of armour. The average man at arms just lacked the training.
there are a lot of strategies.
but you are also (fatally, if it was real) underestimating their protective ability. This stuff was used for the better part of 300 years, in constant evolution, for life or death combat as brutal as the worst moments of modern war. And the men-at-arms were trained - this was never untrained people simply wailing away at each other without training. they knew exactly how to fight, no less than a modern soldier.
The plain simple fact is, yes, you are big - 3-4 inches taller than me, 60lbs more. maybe 5 inches taller than the average medieval knight. but he's going to have been training in unarmed grappling, almost every day since he was 10 years old. he's trained with daggers, with swords. Even assuming unarmoured, he is a lethal, trained fighting warrior.
I've done this for oh, 15 years, in armour every week at least once, more if I can, come rain, or come shine, and consider myself average at best. And people in my group are good - one used to train with the national judo team. another's a national akido championship contender, competes internationally. People who are fucking good fighters. and in armour, I feel able to have a chance, even when they are too, because it protects so much more. When they're unarmoured, I know I can win. Against someone who's well trained unlike me... well, they'd have no hope.
and there are plenty of different helmet possibilties. like this, a Great Bascinet, around 1450, English. its fixed securely to the armoured cuirass, normally has a visor over the face so you cant hit him in it, and gives you a bit better protection for slightly less ability to look round. this, you couldnt twist the head sideways even with a 5-foot crowbar.
>>709834512
with visor.
>>709834512
I would seriously be interested in some sparring. I think you know what you're talking about, but you're avoiding seeing any shortcomings because it would devalue something you love. I'm just saying armour isn't a catchall, and that confidence can be exploited
>>709824669
inb4 autistic OP charges a military base with the sword to get himself killed
>>709834216
Then it looks like someone is going to have to rewrite heir physics book.
>>709836232
>but you're avoiding seeing any shortcomings because it would devalue something you love
no, I'm saying you're really, really underestimating it.
my actual love is unarmoured 16th C fencing with the longsword, called blossfechten. its fast, its dirty, and its damn fun:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjT4JepA-Vc
armoured stuff is just a good workout, and lets you hit hard.
and yes, there are solutions. A dagger in the armpit, or the balls. half-sword to the same, pollaxe or halberd, use the haft to bind, thrust in between limb and body and twist to throw them. that sort of stuff.
but without any weapon? no. without a weapon, you are at such a massive disadvantage against an armoured opponent, especially when it goes to ground and grappling, that you're fucked. and you dont get that, because you've not studied the stuff, not seen what well-fitted, well-made armour can do to enhance a combatant's survival chances.
you are greatly under-estimating the benefits it has on performance, and you are greatly over-estimating your ability to cause injury to someone who is armoured, if you are unarmed too.