Has anyone seen this anti marijuana ad that just came out? How true is any of this? Why even be against weed?
Its a vote no on question 4 ad in MA
>>709629522
havent seen that specific one but these ads are targeted to scare conservative retards into thinking pot is meth.
the only legit reason to be against it imo is bc people do drive while high and crash. but thats quashed by the benefits of legalizing.
plus booze is way more deadly. good things rarely come from being drunk.
>>709629915
oh also long term weed use does worsen brain function but thats not a strong argument imo.
>>709629915
Their main gripes are
1.edibles will look good to kids
2. People will crash more
3.there are more weed shops than fast food joints.
All of those are either bad points or just not true. I think its a pharma company perpetuating this
>>709629989
This is definetly true but sjws will disagree. Like im a conservative asshole but i still love the idea of weed. More money for the state.
>>709629915
Comparing the devil and the deep blue sea was and is never great.
Btw don't downplay pot. It has some bad side effects, like changing your brain chemistry, making you lazy and leading to psychosis
i remember watching some documentary about a european study, they hooked computers up into cars and studied people driving sober vs high on the autobahn and other places
supposedly, the stoned people drove slightly slower and made more frequent corrections, like where every so often you straighten the wheel to keep on course, they did that more.
but by driving slightly slower and being more cautious (because they were aware they were high) they were slightly safer drivers than sober folks
Because weed would put pharmaceutical companies out of business.
>>709629522
Because automotive collisions skyrocketed in states where weed was legalized.
Much like corruption on the part of the American Democratic Party, this information doesn't make it to mainstream media because it isn't PC.
>i dont give a fuck if you smoke weed
>dont let me fucking catch you driving when youre high
>>709630046
1 there are lots of dangerous things that look good to kids. its not like theyre gunna put pot gummy bears next to the snickers at a gas station. and the physical labelling wont be targeted to appeal to kids. if parents can keep booze from kids, they can keep weed away. just a non argument imo
2 this is true. but people already crash while high. the solution is not to ban weed, the solution is to educate people to know driving after theyre high is a bad idea and they cant handle it
3 im not sure why thats a bad thing?
>>709630151
i know i just dont think its a good argument. i tried to mention it after.
>>709630367
Auto crashes skyrocketted across all states or "drug related" ones. Turns out the country just has a drug problem in general.
>>709630449
>i know i just dont think its a good argument. i tried to mention it after.
well i also think, it should be legalized. But because it is much longer in the organism than alcohol, there should be frequent in companies and police inspections.
The problem is, that many stoner don't even realize, that they have a problem and need the weed to get through the day. Alcoholics at least know that.
>>709630813
>there should be frequent
there should be frequent tests
>>709630813
you think so? most stoners i know are very aware theyre reliant on it
i agree with tests for certain jobs. i also think they should up the penalty for drivibg under influence as a deterrent. let people use it recreationally but let them know if it interferes with society, theyre seeing a heavy pubishment
>>709629522
big pharma. weed cures many illnesses, but it can't be copyrighted (or what's the correct word?), because it's a plant. when it's legal, big pharma's profits suffer.
>>709630813
Im a vet and the antidepressants are raping my liver and have pretty bad side effects. Ive smoked weed before. Cant say it helped me with pain in my knees but it did make me feel better mentally. If i get a medical marijana card i get my guns taken and cant apply for alot of jobs.
>>709631222
>when a liberal says big pharma
>you know theyre an inbred fuck from southern california
>>709630545
>>709630367
I don't get why millions of people can't just exercise even the smallest modicum of self-restraint. Under the Influence of anything? Don't drive, fucker. These people are endangering other people's lives by getting on the road.
>>709631355
Not that guy but i wouldnt mind being able to get rid of all the criminals selling weed. Then the state will actually make money off of the weed which can go to schools or roads and not to pay for mister dindunuffin to get some new sneaks.
>>709629522
I've seen it. They grab the only insignificant, slightly-in-their-favor statistic and run with it. DUIs with weed is already a thing. As is with Alcohol. DUIs are illegal and have consequences. Acting like the legalization of weed (while alcohol is already legal) would skyrocket the amount of drivers under the influence is complete bullshit.
>>709629915
>plus booze is way more deadly
something is good because another thing is way badder.
I like your style anon.
As a resident of Wa State, I can say that it is a straight up lie.
We haven't had anything "skyrocket" other than all this revenue being generated.
In fact, not much has changed at all. Life is as usual, but now nobody is going to jail for possession of the good plant.Except the kid they caught the other day with 19.5 lbs of it.
Marijuana literally did nothing wrong. It doesn't make people lazy, that's a decision made by the individual using it. Psychosis? No. Absolutely not. If a person suffers from psychosis then they obviously already had an underlying issue(s)
Fuck it anyway. Don't like weed stores? Don't go there then. Mind your own business, live and let live.
Faggot.
>>709629522
I think it's pretty subjective tbh. Some people just cant drive worth a fuck and get even worse when they're high. If you wanna get technical about it the weed is hardly to blame, people just need to learn how to fucking drive.
>>709631549
we are trying that in the Netherlands as well. legal to sell softdrugs to customers, not legal to buy it in bulk as a shop-owner.
problem with softdrugs coming from the government is that it will be submitted to laws and regulations, which means the quality will go down massively and no1 buys it.
>>709631350
Don't get that card anon, just move to a legal state, keep your guns.
Alright fuck tards. Weed is good for you. Its that simple. You ever seen a severly sick person with crones or lupus and the amount of meds they take to try and feel relaxation? When a person goes from taking 8 pills a day to smoking bowls you will see an attitude change. A lifestyle change will then follow typically involving more physical acrtivity. We are talking full life changes from a plant. And thats just some sick people. Everybody should be smoking atleast 1 joint a day in my opinion. Its good for your soul helps to cure and lower risk of cancers.
>>709631350
But if you are on heavy medication, you neither can apply for many jobs. And weed is also considered a heavy medication.
>>709631222
this has nothing to do with it and if you think weed is going to put out an entire industry youre a dumbfuck
>>709631355
big pharma exists. theres been many cases of drugs that arent much better than the last but are sold at a premium. theres also the "youre dying, youll pay what we tell you" problem
>>709631650
it really wasnt meant in that context. it was more highlighting the fact that worse thibgs exist but you dont see a movement to do anything about them. weed at least has some benefits if you do it responsibly. even "responsible drinking" usually leads to bad results.
>>709631915
how would a regulation reduce the quality of weed?
>>709632020
I have my DOT card and several hoisting licenses while on my medication. Where as weed is a DQ. Im antidepressant vet guy.
>>709629522
Driving stoned is nowhere near as bad as driving drunk or tired. It's not great, but these ads lie and exaggerate. I'm surprised it's legal for the anti pot ads to say the things they do. This whole prohibition thing is fucking stupid.
>>709632134
Well, after this point I can't continue argue, because I don't know, how the american system exactly handles heavy medication and medical weed.
But for me, it really is a bit retarded, that you get a stricter gun licence for weed, than for antidepressant
>>709632101
Governmemts habe a tendency to fuxk things up. By taking an open industry and turning it into a monopoly they can produce some shitty weed noone wants but is all they can get.
>>709632371
You get your gun license revoked completely.>>709632371
>>709631993
And how many of these sick people do you see driving forklifts or interstate trucks?
Or working construction or as a doctor?
>>709632377
True, but without fear of going to jail anymore, the (legal) growers are able to create optimal growing environments and honestly in 20+ years of use, I've never seen such consistent great quality.
>>709632492
Depends who finds out.
I've told doctors and shit that I smoke, been depressed since 17, and have guns. The only thing they ever say is that they should be locked up, which is fucking retarded and completely defeats the purpose of a defensive firearm. They're just worried I'd kill myself. Bunch of weak-willed faggots, if you ask me.
>>709632560
Alot. Like i said man its good for you. Every walk of life can find benefits from it. Should u be lighting up and working? Probably not. Typically every sick person had a job before becoming ill. So whays ur question But even non severely sick can benefit.
>>709632609
Well if thats how they do it then its good. Thought u meant govt shut down everyone and was coming out with their own strain type of thing
So how do we troll the. "No on 4" campaign?
>>709632766
I always find thos hilarious. If u have a gun lock it away so it takes 10 minutes of scrambling when needed. Like my brothers gf. We come from a gun family of responsible people. Shes a fucking loon who was allowed to do what she wanted. Her dad went to my bro and told him shell prolly try and shoot herself or someone not understanding the severity of guns WILL kill people
>>709632377
Regulation is not monopolization or federalization of the manufacturing process.
The only reason we'd have to waste our Governments time with growing pot is if pot suddenly became bullets or capable of slotting unlucky dune coons.
Since we don't live in the USSR, we'll privatize that shit and merely impose laws that affect the quality of the pot in a positive way (worker safety, quantity regulations, etc.). Basically, we won't have a government run basic weed farm. That's stupid from a commercial standpoint. It's only sensible from a research standpoint, and you could bet that you wouldn't be buying the end-result experiments on the street corner (unless Jimmy the retarded janitor wants some extra cash).
Basically 'the government will fuck it up somehow' is born of ignorance.
>>709632944
Nah, so far, it's been working out pretty well.
Ideally, the government should have absolutely nothing to do with it, but it has been a major step forward from where we were.
>>709632996
Vote, idiot.
If you believe in that sort of thing.
>>709630203
Yeah, it's goimg to replace insulin, synthroid, and epipens. Kill yourself hippie.
>>709629522
The biggest problem with this ad is that is shows them looking at the display window of the store and seeing marijuana. It is explicitly stated in the law that no store can have any marijuana that is visible from outside of the store. It is just basic uninformed bullshit.
>>709633182
Naw im all with that type of regulating. Like i said above i thought u were talking about a scenario with weed being grown by govt for sales purposes. I was gunna say youll end up with weed for sale like the US. Such as in mississippi where they sell like 7-9%thc strains as "high potency" and 3-5 is mids lol
>>709633125
>her dad recognizes that she has no self-awareness
Brutal.
This is why i'm still engaged to be married and not married. I don't trust her with a firearm (or my life), yet. Bitch needs to pull her eyes away from the phone screen and put them downrange.
>>709633480
Mississippi is just decriminalized.
Nowhere in the world (afaik) is weed completely legalized and in the hands of industry.
In Cali they have shit in the 20s and 30s of THC percentage. This is my only counter example because you only posted some random numbers from Mississippi and I though I should counter with other unsourced, random numbers from states where the political climate doesn't really apply to the conversation.
Also, I wasn't with whom you were conversing. Just a random passerby who knows a little bit about how government regulation affects commodities.
>>709633455
>>709633603
Yup. When that happend i was like holy fuck man how do you let your daughter be like that
>>709633942
Well thats where its allowed to be grown by non govt farmers haha the mississipi weed os grown for the govt to give to sickly with a federal med weed card which not alot of people know about. And for research purposes.
>>709629522
legalization of marijuana will fuel a surge in autonomous vehicles adoption.
In 25 years driving will be like taking a horse carriage
>>709630449
>there are lots of dangerous things that look good to kids. its not like theyre gunna put pot gummy bears next to the snickers at a gas station. and the physical labelling wont be targeted to appeal to kids. if parents can keep booze from kids, they can keep weed away. just a non argument imo
Okay, so kids won't be buying edibles, I agree with that. The second part of that statement is ludicrous. Have you even seen most edible packaging, bright colors, pinks and purples, simple chocolate bar packaging? Parents typically don't keep alcohol out of the reach of children. FIrst, no kid will mistake an alcohol bottle for soda/juice, and if they accidentally do, no child is going back for more. With edibles, plenty of kids that get into it by accident will go back for more, that shift tastes much better to a child than a mouth full of vodka.
I agreen with legalization, but edibles are a gray area. There are stories, literally everyday, of kids getting into edibles or a family member eating unlabeled edibles and going to the hospital or losing a job to drugtesting.
If you want to have the discussion of the bullshit nanny state, fine, but weed is not the hill to die on. We can change the system, but until then tons of little niglets will be eating edibles, going to the hospital, and who will be footing that bill? I'm fine with losing edibles to prevent another nigger from wasting my tax dollars by using the ER as a PCP because they choose not to carry insurance, niggers go to the ER for a cold let alone kids that are high.
>>709634277
Ever had or seen a mikes hard lemonade?
>>709632311
Murdering someone is much worse than assault. How come we compare the two and imprison people for assault? It's totally unfair.
>>709632101
>how would a regulation reduce the quality of weed?
Government involvement means (at least over here) more health-orientated check, not too strong, what is risky, rule out anything perceived as bad.
rules in what/how to grow
minister of health laying down law upon law
Dutch consensus-culture, which basically means everyone has to agree which means there are always compromises.
>>709634437
Have you ever tasted one? Have you met young children who are too young to know what it is but old enough to have the strength to twist off the top?
>>709634494
You do know people are charged the same when caught smoking weed and driving as they are with drinking and driving right?
>>709634713
Yes i have to both. Tastes good. Sugary like smooth soda. Youre telling me a 6 year old cant twist a cap off? What weak place are you from?
>>709634277
>Have you even seen most edible packaging, bright colors, pinks and purples, simple chocolate bar packaging?
this
>Parents typically don't keep alcohol out of the reach of children.
You had shitty parents and your friends had shitty parents.
>liquor cabinet
>beer fridge
>"top-shelf"
Just came up with these concepts that are no-go zones for kiddies that are commonly used.
5 seconds of thought to prove you conceptually wrong (although you're using cop-out qualifiers like "typically", so good for your non-committal ass).
>FIrst, no kid will mistake an alcohol bottle for soda/juice, and if they accidentally do, no child is going back for more
No child, correct. Teenagers will, but that's not relevant.
>There are stories, literally everyday, of kids getting into edibles or a family member eating unlabeled edibles and going to the hospital or losing a job to drugtesting.
[Citation Needed] Although, as I understand statistics and standard deviation, it is likely that it happens every day (even though this situation was on TV and Hollywood is shit).
We can change the system, but until then tons of little niglets will be eating edibles, going to the hospital, and who will be footing that bill?
Niglet parents, and more likely, the ER itself.
No ER bill of mine was ever paid by taxpayers, insurance or not. This is retarded. If anything, the hospital ends up charging too much because we have a fucked up system of value here in the states where intangible concepts (like doctors studied hard in school) are paid for by the consumer.
>>709634809
>DUI
It's called a DUI not DUIA or DUIP
>>709634809
Because the charge is not driving while drunk, it's driving while intoxicated. You can be charged with the same for driving on legal prescriptions. Imparement is imparement.
>>709635283
Thank you for saying what i just said?
>>709629522
I drive stoned >90% of the time, no accidents and I use my car average every other day
>>709635645
You're the reason there is no middle ground in the debate. Everyone against legalization knows at least one worthless piece of shit like you that stays high all the time.
I dont know about anyone else but for me if i have the right amount of weed (not fucking 8 joints) i tend to pay more attention to detail, im more aware of everything around me, sometimes i function better if ive had say 1 joint/half a joint. However if i drink alcohol im useless i just get this "i dont care" attitude and tend to fool around
>>709635074
Beer fridge and top shelf change nothing. I also don't think parents are leaving edibles unpacked on the counter. The issue is when consuming. An unattended glass of scotch is far less likely to be consumed than an unattended brownie, and the kid is only consuming one of those in full. Also, "top shelf" has never stopped any toddler from accessing cookies and candy. I highly doubt as a young child you had zero access to alcohol, you just had zero interest.
>No ER bill of mine was ever paid by taxpayers, insurance or not.
I am speaking specifically of MA, where the ad was run. IF you do not live in MA your anecdote is irrelevant. Regardless, ALL low income emergency hospital bills are subsidized by the government. I MA it happens to be at a much higher rate.
>>709635645
And I drive better drunk. I also work better on heroin. I do school work better on coke. I do what ever task and substance I am trying to validate much better when intoxicated; because I refuse to admit I have an addiction and by believing the addiction makes me better I can continue to use without realizing how it interferes with my life.
>>709635723
You wouldn't even know I was under the influence. A daily tolerance makes marijuanna a fairly different experience than someone get blasted on a friday night. This combined with actually doing research and buying strains with specific chemical concentrations can give you therapeutic effects without giving a heady high
>>709635759
I would rather we tax the weed that way we can make sure dindunuffin and laquisha cant make am extra buck pff of selling weed cut with spice. Also our police can concentrate more on getting rid of mr dindunuffins crack business.
Plus edibles are already highly regulated.
If your child can get to it youre a bad parent and i want the state to take the child anyway or at least investigate you. Which can be funded by all the revenue we make from the weed.
>>709635424
Then what is your point? Driving high should be a DUI offense. WE just need to come up with a standard of intoxication and not base it off of metabolites in blood like some states. I am 100% for legal weed, I am 100% against anyone intoxicated in any form taking a high speed chuck of metal on the road.
>>709636175
Keep kidding yourself. Everyone knows you're high, they just don't care because everyone who actually gives a shit has already distanced themselves from the impending shitstorm of your life.
>>709630192
This. Super sober racing Rick is going 90 in a 30 zone cause he's a fagballoon
I'm doing 28in a 30 zone stoned as shit but guess what. No accidents cause I FUCKING PAY ATTENTION YOU SHITGARGLING 30 YEAR OLD blond bitch looking down as youR FUCKING SHITTY IPHONE SHIT (YES IT'S ALWAYS A 30 YEAR OLD WOMAN WITH A FUCKING SHITDICK CUNTDINGLE IPHONE ROLLING THROUGH THE STOPSIGN AT 10 MPH OVER THE SPEED LIMIT AND NOT EVEN THE FUCKING BRAKES AND YES THIS HAS HAPPENED DOZENS
Fucking DOZENS of times you fucking cuntshit bitch dicks
>>709636321
Theyve already come out with weed breathalizers.
They already have field sobriety tests.
Thats how you test for it. And i am quite literally telling you dui charges are the same for any substance. How do they tell if their fucked up? They fail a field sobriety test.
>>709636446
sounds like projection
>>709636506
Nope, sound vision.
>>709636506
It doesn't sound like projection. You don't know what projection is.
>>709636536
it ain't sound vision, either, bud
>>709636251
Taxing it does not fix the situation.
Edibles are not highly regulated in MA, they are illegal (well a civil imfraction). THE last comment about taking every child away that gets into edibles would eat up that tax venue in a week. It happens constantly. Some people are responsible. Some people aren't responsible. I would personally rather have no edibles than have the state be financially burdened by other people's irresponsiblity. Welfare is far cheaper than investigating and fostering. It's all preferance, I will concede on edibles to get legal weed.
>>709636536
The world intends to swallow you. Your tea leaves make it so obvious now
The study they used is flawed. The way they test for marijuana, you can test positive even after multiple days after intoxication. So if you got high 2 or 3 days back, then drove sober and crashed, they'd say that you were high while driving, even though you were completely sober.
>>709631437
if I'm tired then what. One day without sleep makes you unsafe to drive you dick. So then what? You didn't get any sleep last night so now you can't drive to work right? Right? RIGHT YOU SHITNUGGET!!!! RIGHT! WHAT ABOUT PEOPLE WHO TAKES MEDS THAT CAN IMPAIR DRIVING ABILITY huh so they should just never drive again. That nasal spray has steroids that's a drug of your gonna treat your alergies you can't drive Then. Oh well fuck you for having a problem that requires threatment. What if your hhungry of dehydrated that's just as distracting right right RIGHT RIGHT YOU FUCKING SHITDICK RIGHT!!!!!!!
>>709636470
There shouldn't be a 3 strike system for getting your licence revoked. It should be revoked instantly if you drive like you're saying those people drive.
>>709636717
Proof?
Unsubstantiated claim?
>>709636486
I've been agreeing with that all the way through. My original post was to a guy complaining that weed was safer than alcohol and should not be illegal to drive high.
>>709636655
Right but sadly the industry will demand edibles. I dont care for them either. Hell buy the weed and make them yourself.
Also tax does mean almost everything MA has extremely high tax and their also #1 in education in the US. We have a massive tax on tobacco. We have a large tax on tobacco. The things that kill shotbags make life better for the non shitbags. Actually i wouldnt mind taxing and legalization of all drugs.
>>709629522
I've seen it, it's a Vote No on 4 ad in Massachusetts. Every bit of it is complete bullshit.
Under the proposed law:
-Towns and cities have the ability to adopt reasonable restrictions on the locations, number, and advertisements of pot shops. A vote in the town can be held to completely exclude them, if they so wish.
-Edibles and candies are required by the law to be sold in clearly marked packaging, indicating it is not for children's consumption. That window display of pot stuff you see in the ad is illegal under this law.
-Speaking of which, signage and window displays are also regulated. Such a store front as in the ad would be illegal.
-The kid at the end of the ad is very clearly not 21. Every shop is required to check ID before allowing entrance to a customer, like a bar. This is, in fact, more strict than liquor stores which are thus more prone to kids sneaking in and shoplifting bottles. And, obviously, more strict than the black marked, which obviously does not fucking care how old you are.
-Pot is not proven to be implicated in increased drugged driving. The way pot is tested for in a human body, usually urinalysis, detects leftover metabolized cannabinoids. These residues linger for up to a month in heavy smokers. So your "Drugged driver" might have smoked today or several weeks ago, and the results would not tell you which.
-And again, there has been not a single recorded death due to overdose of marijuana.
The Campaign for a Safe and Healthy Massachusetts, the advocacy group who produced this ad, is in fact heavily funded by (who fucking else?) the healthcare, pharma, prison, and alcohol industries. Also our ex-alcoholic Mayor is a fucking hypocrite. He touts his "recovering alcoholism" as credential for why he knows better and how he's trying to save us all from horrible addiction...except he literally sponsored a beer garden earlier this year
http://www.bostonmagazine.com/restaurants/blog/2016/06/13/mayor-walsh-beer-garden/
>>709636785
>You didn't get any sleep last night so now you can't drive to work right?
Take the bus.
>WHAT ABOUT PEOPLE WHO TAKES MEDS THAT CAN IMPAIR DRIVING ABILITY
Take the bus.
That nasal spray has steroids that's a drug of your gonna treat your alergies you can't drive Then.
Take the bus.
>What if your hhungry of dehydrated that's just as distracting
Eat or drink before taking the bus.
If you can afford to fuel a car, you can afford to fuel yourself and then take the bus.
>>709636888
It's the same tests they use for job applications. If you've ever taken weed you know they can test positive even weeks after your last smoke. If you don't believe me, Google exists, countless examples.
>>709636943
>And again, there has been not a single recorded death due to overdose of marijuana.
That's not the issue.
The issue is getting high and slamming your car into a group of people, which HAS happened.
You accuse this group of spin, and yet here you are spinning your own view onto others.
Fucking liberal hypocrite. Not sure why this is such a surprise.
>>709630192
That is a totally biased study. People react much differently when they know they are being watched. I drive more carefully when a cop is behind me, doesn't make me a better or worse driver when a cop is not behind me.
>>709635981
I digest food better with my ibs medication without it I shit out stomach bile. I'm addicted to my ibs medication? Bu buh but a doctor prescribed it for medical problems I had for years. Oh my God I've been addicted to ibs medication since before I even had ibs? Wow life sure does make NO FUCKING SENSE!!!! doesn't it.
>once knew a massive fucking stoner
>420, reggae, all that jazz
>smoked a ton and grew his own stuff
>nickname "farmer"
>also drove a motorcycle
>frequently while stoned off his ass
>got into an accident
>the one fucking time he was perfectly sober
>>709637062
It's not the same test, you mong.
An expedited field test doesn't use the same mouth swab or piss test.
Just wrong.
Also, "google it" isn't proof of anything. You have the burden of proof, still. Do something with it.
>>709635251 DWI, dip.
>>709636785
You can get a DUI from every situation you mentioned there, why should weed be different?
>>709637055
Kek not everyone lives in a city. Buses dont run in suburbs and cabs arent cheap. Actually no cab would run around here.
>>709637229
Depends where you live, dip
Anyone else think if pot is completely legalized many people will stop smoking it since it was only cool to do because it was illegal and think now everybody will be smoke it.
To some yes, to others no, and im am avid pothead. Some people cant drive 100% sober, so hell nah i wouldnt hand them a blunt first..
>>709637221
I'm talking blood test you fucking idiot retard mouth breather. Here's some fucking scientific evidence http://www.canorml.org/healthfacts/drugtestguide/drugtestdetection.html how about you fucking take a look in the mirror before trying to sound edgy insulting people over the Internet. Swallow a fucking bullet.
>>709637283
>Buses dont run in suburbs
Yes they do
>cabs arent cheap
That's not really the issue at hand. Legal driving is. It would be legal to take public or privatized transport. It would be illegal to drive. I literally do not give one fucks what it costs you.
>>709637126
Yes, it's happened before, while pot was already illegal. Which means that keeping it illegal doesn't prevent that from happening.
Your example is vehicular manslaughter, which I'm sure you're aware, is already a crime.
>>709637130
If your IBS medication imparts your ability to drive, then you shouldn't be driving. Yes you are probably addicted to your IBS medication, but it is needed. I am addicted to my heart medication, if I stop taking it suddenly the withdrawal will kill me. Doesn't mean i downplay the side effects of my medicine. I do not know anyone who is prescribed marijuana for better driving ability
>>709637436
>sound edgy insulting people over the Internet. Swallow a fucking bullet.
the hypocrisy is hilarious
Also, you don't get blood tests done while being employed or at a traffic stop where they would field test you. Don't know why you're even bringing up such an irrelevant test.
>>709637480
Ok ill put it this way. Buses dont run here. In the suburbs. Where i just so happe. To live. Not even a public bus in my whole town. Also too bad im not paying for a cab due to my medication where im going to work as a heavy equipment operator. Ill just be happy driving "illegally" if i can pass a sobriety test after burning then im good to drive thats the law.
>>709637634
They test blood when you're dead you fucking empty headed moron.
>you're a hypocrite
I wouldn't be insulting you if you hadn't been an asshole in the first place.
>>709637283
Excuses are now a valid reason to drive intoxicated?
>Your honor I know I shouldn'shouldn't have driven after taking my Oxy perscription, but I need to live my life.
>>709637318
More people would smoke it because of availability than people who wouldn't smoke it because it's not cool anymore.
Also, have you ever met anyone who does drugs because they're illegal? I haven't. If you're going to do something illegal for the sake of illegality, usually it ends in property destruction.
>>709633455
Do you realize the biggest farma chunk is painkillers, cancer treatment and made up psychological "conditions" ? weed has aplications beyond that.
>>709637833
>smoking because it's "cool"
If you do anything because you think it makes you look cool you're a fucking moron.
>>709637634
Im not the other guy but you are definetly wrong about the employment thing. Sometimes its part of the application process
>>709637055
TAKE FUCKING BUS. AFUCKING GODDAMN CUNSHIT BUS!!!!!! I TOOK THE BUS ONE SINGLE TIME IN MY LIFE. YEAH PAY 3$ TO SIT 30 FEET AWAY FROM A DOPER WHOSE PASSED OUT IN THE BACK AND A CRACKHEAD WHO IS FAILING AT STEALTHILY SMOKING CRACK (YEAH HE GOT FORCIBLY KICKED OFF AND I ALMOST TOOK A SHOE TO THE FACE. TAKE A SHITTING COCKFUCJ BUS
You take a bus
>>709637809
That arguement has worked in the past. So yes.
>>709637910
Been piss tested and mouth swabbed, don't know any profession that blood tests you (that doesn't require security clearance). Care to share?
>>709637940
I WILL RIGHT NOW
FUCK YOU
>>709638016
Actually i was talking about security clearence.
>>709638113
Ooooooh, now i'm really interested.
Share with the class, please.
>>709637809 why is that even the question being asked. Where is the relevancy of inebriation in the first place, it's basically a thought crime. If they are driving recklessly then charge for that, if crossing over a double yellow, that. It's not an excuse but it also isn't something that needs to be relevant. Possibly a new "unable to drive" charge could be set up in the event of someone being judged unable.
You're talking about future possibilities as if they are facts that have already taken place, not even about the real actions that happened.
Also points deducted for no one mentioning self driving cars.
>>709637837
Weed helps with a few conditions, in many cases it just help cope with symptoms. IT is not a magic wonder drug. I does not replace pain killers, it does not replace cancer treatment, and it makes many psychological conditions worse.
>>709638016
Most places don't swab, they urine test. Most jobs require tests. I don't know where the fuck you live if you think drug tests are rare. If you're under suspicion of being intoxicated they'll take you to the station and make you take a urine test. Urine tests can test positive for up to 7 days after intoxication. Blood tests are usually done if you die in a crash, and they can test positive up to 5 days after intoxication.
>>709638012
That argument has never worked. It may get a procedure to lessen charges, but it has never worked in front of a judge. "Valid defense" is a section included in every law, that defense is listed in 0 location's under DUI laws.
>>709637837
Which conditions are made up? What school of psychiatry do you subscribe to? German? American school of thought? I'm interested in where you got your degree, fuckface, I'd love to be on the forefront of mental health where they designate certain conditions to be the moneymaking ones. I bet I could get into some insider trading with all of that knowledge you're keeping to yourself.
>>709638311
>up to 7 days after intoxication
7 to 30 depending on usage. Best method is to give yourself a month head start before you apply
>>709638553
The study I cited stated 7+ days so I went with that.
The rehab corporations are afraid of lost revenue, that's the main reason.
>>709638311
>Most places don't swab, they urine test
I'm aware of this, but this has nothing to do with the original conversational claim that piss testing and swabbing are done at traffic stops:
>>709637062
>>709636717
"It's the same tests they use for job applications." It's refers to the breathalyzer test.
>drug tests are rare
never said this
>If you're under suspicion of being intoxicated they'll take you to the station and make you take a urine test.
This is not a field test and has no bearing on the argument, although correct.
>Urine tests can test positive for up to 7 days after intoxication
Even longer.
The way I see it, DUI is a crime not related to whatever substance is used while driving. Alcohol is legal to consume, yet illegal to operate a vehicle while under its influence. Same for any legalized controlled substance, as well as OTC drugs that aren't controlled. So these ads are simply the propaganda of some group with enough money to buy advertising. Mothers against something or another. It's bullshit.
>>709638248
>Basically a thought crime.
Are you really going to argue that operating a vehicle in public, under intoxication, is a thought crime? Might as well bring a bomb to the airport, as long as you don't detonate it, it's a though crime.
>>709637586
Addicted but needed your fucking retarded then crack addicts BEED THERE SHIT TOO FUCKER IT'S ALL FUCKED UP THE FUCJING WAY WE FUCKING DEFINE FUCKING ADDICTION IS FUCKING FUCKSHIT RETARDED GODD FUCKING SHIT DICK then PEOPLE WHO TAKE ANTIBIOTICS ARE ADDICTED TOO RIGHT ADDICTIONA BAD MMMMKAY LET THAT FLESH EATING BACTERIA EAT YOUVL ALIVE . CAUSE drugs R BAD MMMMKAY FUCKING SHIT CAN WE ALL ADNIT IT'S ALL ALL ALL FUCKING FFCKED AND WE HAVE TO SHITTINGFUCKCUNT REDO THE WHOLE SYSTEM TO MAKE ITVRIGHT FUCKING REtaRD SHITDONGLE
>>709638814
I've already addressed everything you've stated but I'll do it again. I didn't say the field tests were the same as the drug tests given during the hiring process. I said the ones they give at the station are the same and that blood tests are usually done on the deceased. You also heavily implied drug tests are rare. Anyways this has "nothing to do with the argument" as you would say. The study I cited stated 7+ days so that's what I went with. You're trying to build up a strawman to argue against.
>>709637837
Weed reduces 1 rare type of tumor, weed is not a treatemnt for cancer. You fuckers will say anything to validate your drug of choice, then complain when an ad like the OP does the same thing.
>>709638109
Go ahead DO IT AND GET REKT FAGGOT BUS DRIVERS ARE AS SHIT AT DRIVING AS STONERS EVEN WORSE HHHAHAH FAGSHIT I WIN FUCK YOU EAT A CHINESE AND drink SOME NIGGER
>>709639176
Dont even try with this guy. Hes too dumb to tie his shoes. You can tell him the same thing over and over and he wont let it sink in.
I may have missed something but is someone making excuses for people who drive under the influence? I would like to smash that person's face in.
>>709639380
Which one of us are you talking about?
>>709639006 Da weed is the bomb man XD
No, seriously, you're using drugs and being under the influence of them in a similar fashion as if it's relevant to the actual actions taking place when they aren't. What is the difference if I kill a man sober or stoner? What is the difference if I trip and fall on my face sober or drunk? Where does the tangability of the actions fall, how relevant to the conversation does whatever sort in inebriation posses? You think a lot, I think it isn't. Whether or not I could sit you down and convince you of my view I don't know, but I can offer it to you.
I deliver pizzas for a living and I cant remember the last time I drove not high, maybe a few months ago
Pic related because I had to sit there for the old ass valet to come back out to close this old bitches door for like 20 mins
>>709639720
If some one trips you when your sober it's their fault
If some one trips you when your high it's your fault and it wouldnt have happened if you were sober
Human logic
>>709639400
Tell me have you ever driven high, its fun as fuck. Unless you have a weed tolerance and know how to drive high you have no place saying anything
>>709639849
Friend. We are one in the same. Huzzah for long deliveries to the good poor part of town
>>709639380
Im talking about the anon opposing you
>>709640121
My favorite too, poor country people and trailer parks give the best tips and I love poor people now
>>709629522
hahahha, Nope, not true.. in the best cases in states the Drunk Driving and drug driving offenses have gone down drastically.
In the worst cases states with Legal weed have shown no effect what so ever on the rates.
I can't believe the FCC has not fined them for false advertising.
Do a search and you will see it is the Alcohol companies or Big Pharma paying for all these types of ads.
In this case it is literally the Alcohol industry.
https://thinkprogress.org/a-deeply-misleading-ad-tries-to-derail-marijuana-legalization-in-massachusetts-b0e1b0189d7a#.8dl9z156z
>>709629522
while across the street is a Liquor store and 3 bars, every gas station, grocery store, and restaurant has and advertises alcohol. Alcohol ads on billboards and tv, constantly bombarded with the message you could get hot chicks and have loads of fun if only you has a case of Budweiser.
Fucking Bullshit.
>>709639997
>know how to drive
You mean the opposite of every normal person on the road. you know cause normal people are fucking lunatics ( not sarcastic super serious they are fuckin lunatics ) the only high/drunk people on the road that have been a problem are the people with 23 percent blood alcohol content that drive like a bunch of monkeys throwing a wild car party or the tweakers on meth or some shit that drive like the killer from a horror movie. Every time I smell weed aand see smoke from a car it drives like the prime example oof how a person should drive.
Speed limit. check
No swerving . Check
Full stop at stop sign.half the time (normal people about 1/100 come to a full stop only I FULLY stop and I feel like a loser for doing it)
Then signals used. Check
Not being a raging DICKSTICK. Check
>>709640333
Sadly their not advertising a product.
>>709640222
Holy shit this really is a thing. Damn I thought the poor people in my town were just really generous for some reason
>>709631057
>penalty for drivibg under influence as a deterrent.
Let me know how that works out.
t. Dutchfag
>>709631057
If i don't smoke weed before I drive I can get mega crazy road rage. Like you pull a dangerous move so I run you off the road at high speed, rip your eyes out and cook your face on your engine and run you over repeatedly if possible
>>709639849
Rochester, I would call the cops if you came to my door high to deliver a pizza.
I had one fag from pontillos deliver a pizza to me 4 years ago, fucker was tweeking on something, I called the cops and reported him, they didn't do anything cause they said they didn't see him driving. like 2 weeks later he got arrested for breaking into 6 businesses around the are to supply his drug problem, got 6 year.. karmas a bitch.
>>709637318
it kinda works like this in the Netherlands. our whole soft drugs program is mainly for the tourists. the Dutch hardly touch the stuff, sure youngsters will try and you got the old hippie or whathaveyou.
but its no big deal and people seem to stop using it pretty soon they become adults.
I always assumed the pot culture in the US and other countries was also because it was not legal.
I mean the paraphernalia alone americans surround it with, the merchandising etc.
we got that shit over here as well but I'm pretty sure most of It came from the states instead of the other way around. we just roll joints, no need to get all sub-culture about it, for us anyways.
>>709641489
Common stoner and tweeked out meth head are two very different things.
>>709639720
There is a big difference. What is the difference between a man who pulls out a gun and kills someone and the guy who is waving a gun around screaming "I will kill every last person here. The second one could have been prevented. People are killed by vehicles everyday, yes, but disproportionately by intoxicated drivers. As a society we have agreed upon basic rules to preventer things that are easily preventable.
>don't operate machines capable of killing while intoxicated.
>don't do speeds in excess of safe design speeds when driving
>don't put more weight than a manufacturer recomends on a vehicle
>don't shoot a gun where the bullet could strike a person
>don't put more people in a building than can safely evacute
>don't give a child a cup full of poison
>don't start forrest fires
>don't put asbestos in kids toys
>don't drive the wrong way down a street
None of these things directly harm people. The ignorance of the dangers of these things often do harm people. This harm is done to an unsuspecting person by the ignorance of a note person. WE have decided as a society to outlaw things that can directly injure another person based on the actions of an ignorant person. IF you are making an argument against DUI then you could make the same for all traffic laws. I should be allowed to drive the wrong way on the highway unless I hit someone; nobody is hurt by me driving the wrong way. We have agreed as a society that this violates out rules despite the freedom of the individual. Why does it matter if someone drives the wrong way or the right way if nobody gets hurt? Because there must be some structure in a society. EVEN if you believe in ultimate personal freedom you must agree to that, otherwise parking in the middle of the highway is okay, because fuck everyone else's freedom to travel. KINDA sad that this needs to be explained.
>>709641647
Joints wasted alot of my weed. A nice simple glass bowl is all i use. Or blunts if I'm with my nonwhite friends lol
Seriously I find blunts are like joints but better
>>709640680
>every gas station, grocery store, and restaurant has alcohol
You have never been to MA, have you?
>>709641860
>don't operate machines capable of killing while intoxicated.
Aaaaawwwww but shooting a machine gun on coke is so much fun
>don't start forrest fires
This is actually why we have such massive wildfires now. Minor fires allow small easily flammable brush to be cleared away without burning the bigger trees. This allows the trees room to grow and prevents massive infernos by preventing a build-up of natural kindling.
Smokey the Bear is a filthy liar
>>709641860 Man, you just, didn't understand what I was saying whatsoever. Literally missed the point completely and made an argument that doesn't reflect the nature of what was being said. Just, just completely misrepresented the issue at hand for the sole benefit of you being able to assume you're correct.
>>709642204
Uhhhhhh yes... not the guy your replying to but here is CT the grocery stores and has stations Don't have liquor. When I went to mass with my friend the first time I was like "shit they got booze at the gas stations here oh fuck yeah they got liquor at the grocery stores. Fuck yeah"
>>709642355
welcome to 4chan
>>709642204
I live in mass and maybe MAYBE a gas station sells beer amd wine and thats it. I dont think ive seen liquor in a grocery store ever. Only MAYBE beer and wine. Barely any alcohol in most resteraunts. Most will cut you off at 2 drinks.obviously we have liquor stores and bars.
I actually thought those stoner sloth commercials were hilarious
>>709642355
Okay, let me clarify then. When in public, societies rights prevail over that of the individual. Being drunk while driving is a prime factor in causing accidents, therefore driving while intoxicated is illegal. NO, it makes no difference if you get into an accident sober or drunk, but it is much more likely when drunk, therefore illegal to drive drunk. You are not penalized only when there is a victim, that's when it is too late. YOU also don't need to wait for the bomb to go off to stop a terrorist (but . . .his freedom).
>>709637126
and most people who bring up this sort of thing have never driven while stoned as fuck, therefore your opinion is irrelevant because it only comes from what the media tells you, not actual experience. If someone commits a crime and it is found that they were intoxicated at the time of the incident they should receive punishment in accordance with the law. After legalization takes effect I'd very much prefer you leave me alone if I with to smoke a joint on my way to work.
>>709642517
No, no there aren't. Very few gas stations and grocery stores have any form of alcohol because even beer and wine sales require a liquor license, and those are limited.
>>709642739
That was my point
In MA beer, wine, liqour are heavily regulated and taxed. We just allowed stored to sell on sunday's this decade, bars close crazy early, happy hours (or any liquor deals) are illegal. Why wouldn't we expect the same kind of regulation on weed.
>>709641860 Okay no maybe you do have a good point there, about preventable causes being addressed. For your argument to work it needs to first be assumed that driving on the influence of anything is an inevitable cause of whatever actions you're fighting again, crashes I guess. At the very lest maybe you assume that the statistical likelyhood of crashes is enough to warrant inebriation and driving to be banned. Okay so regardless that some of the things you listed that do cause direct harm I will instead focus on the issue of driving the wrong way on the freeway. This means that you think people who are driving under influences of drugs have a statistical likelyhood to do so. Or some other ridiculous act which causes such a danger to the life's of others. I am sure you will find, though, that even with the high rate of DUI's in the country that there is little chance they put someone is such danger as if you were going the wrong way on a highway. You're arguing over lines which you want to draw about which specific events can be labeled too dangerous such that they be banned. What I am saying, though, and my argument is that the drugs are irrelevant to those other events. There is not enough evidence in my mind that the statistical likelyhood of those events increasing in a meaningful enough way that you blanket ban in such a way. Instead of focusing on the events themselves. The events themselves of course remaining punishable.
>>709636943
>-Towns and cities have the ability to adopt reasonable restrictions on the locations, number, and advertisements of pot shops. A vote in the town can be held to completely exclude them, if they so wish.
This will be overturned, just like the issue with porn stores. Unless the town sets up a zone for marijuana sales (as they did for "adult entertainment zones"), you can't exclude a retail business from a retail-zoned area.
>-Edibles and candies are required by the law to be sold in clearly marked packaging, indicating it is not for children's consumption. That window display of pot stuff you see in the ad is illegal under this law.
The issue is when the stuff comes home and is attractive to little kids, not when it's in the stores.
>-Speaking of which, signage and window displays are also regulated. Such a store front as in the ad would be illegal.
Anyone with a half-brain will know what's being sold in those stores. Window displays or not.
>-The kid at the end of the ad is very clearly not 21. Every shop is required to check ID before allowing entrance to a customer, like a bar. This is, in fact, more strict than liquor stores which are thus more prone to kids sneaking in and shoplifting bottles. And, obviously, more strict than the black marked, which obviously does not fucking care how old you are.
Like ID laws do anything. My town runs stings on liquor stores every six months. All the stores know when it's going to happen yet 2-3 stores always get caught selling to minors.
>>709634163
>MOAR SENSORS!!
that is not an autonomous vehicle. that's a fucking joke used as a publicity stunt.
>>709643405
I'd prefer to be left alone when I fuck my dog, but that's not how the world works. Drive on your own property or drive sober. I'I'm sure you can drive fine high, i'm not worried about that. I am worried about when your front tire blows and you kill me because your reaction times to the unexpected are shit. I've driven stoned plenty and know you can get sa felt from point a to point b if you have been there before and do it daily, it's the kid chasing a ball into the street that you don't account for and don't react properly to.
>>709629522
I think I am just going to vote yes in Nov in Ca. Whether it is legal or illegal, has that ever stopped a nug from finding its way into a college students hand?
>>709629989
So does age..
I really regret not getting my grandpa high all the time when a year or two into his Alzheimer disease just to see what would happen if it would slow it or something at least.
>>709629522
Christ, another circlejerking pothead thread. Hows high school, guys?
>>709643869
Doesn't weed help with that stuff? Why did you say no?
>>709630449
That shit would be behind the counter under the tobacco products you idiot.
>>709631747
Maybe they should combat meth and coke and homelessness instead..
>>709643559
You are the one drawing the line. I am stating that you follow the laws as written. "I can drive good while high" is anecdotal and not a legal defense to statistical data showing the opposite. You are welcome to challenge the law, but if it exists than it is a societal decision otherwise there would be an outcry to repeal it.
As far as you cause and effect point. You cannot be pulled overy for being intoxicated, there must be a reason to assume intoxicatio, such as crossing the line, light out, etc. Onice that has been confirmed, then you face 2 charges instead of one. Some people cross the yellow line because they are stupid, some because they are intoxicated. Why are they not treated similar? You do not chose to be stupid, you chose to be intoxicated.
>>709631350
That's not true. That's just a rumor people started. I have my medical card and I have all my guns
>>709644258
Who the fuck drives while high?
>>709643577
>This will be overturned
You are clearly not from MA. This state has such a hard-on for regulation it's a damn miracle there are any medical pot shops at all. We voted them legal 4 years ago, and there are 8 in the whole fucking state. You can be very certain the legislature will retain every right to control where pot can be sold.
>The issue is when the stuff comes home
You mean like the guns people keep loaded and unlocked for their children to find? Or the bottles of alcohol? Once it's in your home, it's you fucking responsibility as a parent to keep it locked or hidden, not the states. Or god forbid you actually have to INFORM your kids about pot and tell them not to eat it. God forbid parents have to parent.
>Anyone with a half-brain will know what's being sold in those stores
Yeah, and?
>Like ID laws do anything.
They do more than not having them at all.
What else ya got?
>>709632560
Just like alcohol you dont go to work high and it should be exempt from drug tests. Almost 9 years ago I got a call from Sear drug testing after an interview and the lab tech informed me that I failed the test for marijuana before he contacted the employer and I told him I had a cannabis card and really quit for a month while job searching and apologized for any left over thc in my system and I never plan to smoke right before work. Next day I get a call back saying I passed the interview and drug test and come in after the weekend on Monday for training. So yeah it shold not affect your job, I left sears for Tesla assembling components but I missed lugging fridges and shit around int hte back. Even got a bj from my ex in the warehouse I worked hiding from cameras behind tall boxes lol
>>709643677
I've looked at the studies concerning reaction time stoned vs. sober and everything that has come out so far has been inconclusive. Where do we draw the line between liberty and safety? So far all of these "pot related accidents" have been isolated incidents blown out of proportion by media shills. I support a "tougher" penalty for someone who causes harm to another while under the influence of a mind-altering substance purely because that person clearly needs mental healthcare. At the core of this argument I believe that in order to become a truly free society people need to be treated as individuals, not lumped into groups and herded like cattle. And don't compare my morning commute to your Saturday evening you filthy dogfucker.
>>709644522
I'm drinking at work right now. And at lunch time I'm going to smoke a few bowls. So what ? I'm in management and no one can tell me what to do
>>709644258
"I can drive good while high" Is not my argument, I often will choose whether or not I wish to drive based on my assessment of how well I can perform. Often opting not to drive, because I am too high. That is my line which I am drawing, whether or not my assessment of my own current condition is correct and if I have the ability to be safe on the road. In the same way if I am overly emotional or in any distressed mental state it can be enough that I shouldn't be driving. That's the actual line we all decide for ourselves, regardless of the letter of the law. Oh and I am not too worried about it changing anyways it's not like I need this idea to come through it's just an opinion I hold.
On your second statement I just don't believe it works this way. Officers can trail people who they currently have issue with or hide around a bar waiting for any infraction to pull someone over. A broken light isn't even a sign of intoxication the poor driving would be. Now you've got me thinking of "conspiracy" stuff so it's probably about time I leave this conversation so I don't cause too many headaches yelling about surveillance and abuses associated with that all.
>>709643986
I felt like if my family found out what I was doing, I would be disowned and kicked out. We are a bunch of Catholic beaners from Texas, i am 3rd gen I think, living in California.
My plan was to go out of my way and help my family out taking my grandpa out for drives or what not daily, so they could got about their business and relax. When Alzheimers gets into the 2nd or 3rd year it gets really bad you have to watch the person constantly. I was 21 at the time, I wanted to drive around wiht my buddies and have him in the back and just pass a blunt around or a joint since, drive to Santa Cruz on the weekends, anywhere nice and him being constantly high and wait til he was calm and then bring him back to my grandmas house. But it is too late now.. hopefully my kids do that for me if I ever get it.
>>709629522
Up until recently people weren't tested for drugs when pulled over. If they were found to be high it as still just driving while intoxicated or under the influence.
You potheads latched onto that and claimed there were no accidents caused by potheads. Which was a load ofd bulldhit and was usually ppoinred out to you morons each time.
Guess what? You don't have that lie to claim weed is harmless anymore. Stop whining and get help for your addiction you claim you don't have, burnout.
>>709630449
>>709630046
A stupid bitch just got arrested and her kids taken away for edibles.
She's was taking care of neighbors kids and her own two kids.
Left a 1000mg thc brownie (like 10grams worth) on the coffee table. Her 4 year old daughter ate it and was in a coma like state for over 3 days. Retards ruin everything.
Just make weed legal to smoke in your home and then people who dont smoke weed or get butthurt about it won't have to deal with it if they dont want to
noone will smoke in public or while driving cause it will be illegal but if a nigga wants to smoke a blunt in his own home let him
>>709644472
Aparently everyone in this thread
>>709644752
Until its gets ahead of you and you end up fucking up. No one should be proud of showing up drunk or drinking at work. people like you are the reason why weed gets a bad rap.
>>709644484
>>>709643577 (You)
>>This will be overturned
>You are clearly not from MA. This state has such a hard-on for regulation it's a damn miracle there are any medical pot shops at all. We voted them legal 4 years ago, and there are 8 in the whole fucking state. You can be very certain the legislature will retain every right to control where pot can be sold.
Sorry, but I AM from Massachusetts. The state will have a hard time regulating this. They will be able to say how many outlets a town may have (similar to the ABC saying how many liquor licenses a town can have) but it will be local ordinances that determine the location of stores and if the locals don't preemptively move to zone for them, they HAVE to be allowed where any other retail establishment is allowed. This is the same argument towns used to try to keep adult entertainment places out and why you have new zones set up specifically for that.
>>709644472
I do everything high. I'm stoned from the second I wake up. I smoke while driving. Never been in an accident. I go to work zooted as fuck. Get over it. Stoned is my sober. I know a lot of people that function perfectly fine while under the influence of cannabis
Hi there.
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Vote for "Dolorable" in the poll
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>>709631350
had my card and guns here in California
>>709644941 Did you try to only make fallacies? Come on, when has someone ever said to you that "there were no accidents"? :)
>>709644945 Proof? :)
>>709631830
Straight up. Some people shouldn't be driving period.
>>709644941
Radio and distractions can cause accidents.
Get a statistic of how many people drive while on prescription medications or how many people are pulled over and are taking prescription medication.
Then you find they had only one beer, or a sip of wine. Let's not forget about how many of these accidents are caused by underage drinkers and underage drivers. Marijuana as a whole isn't the cause of every accident on the rode. Just because there's marijuana involved doesn't mean shit.
This is just repetitive, conservative garbage propaganda to help convince old judges in states like Colorado and California to side with lawyers in car accident cases to better convict pot smokers. Which by the way, lets not forget, are most of the time in these states, prescribed marijuana as a medication, not a recreational, "HEY LETS GET FUCKED UP." Class-A narcotic. Half of the time, it's the other person's fault anyway.
>Get real you fucking faggot.
>>709629989
>My voice of reason proves you wrong
Fuck off. Prolonged use isn't permanent.
>>709645221
This retard is gonna get weed banned again.
There should be harsh DUI penalties for driving while high, just like alcohol.
>>709645012
I am not one of those look at the studies you are not affected by weed while driving, but at least get REALLY high a few times to see how you hang before hoping into the drivers seat. But if you are a light weight, smoke, and hope right in I think you deserve a dui if you are a total retard when pulled over. I got a dui while completely drunk and there is literally not control after a certain point in drunkness, I really regret it because I could have hurt someone, luckily I didn't. neva again
>>709645269
Yeah he's an idiot that believes every rumor he hears. I have my card and guns too. Nobody ever came to take them away. It's medicine. They don't come take away your guns if your on fuckin OxyContin for pain. Every old fuck I've helped get their card has told me this bullshit about how they don't want to get it becuase they don't want to lose their guns, seems like a popular rumor with the 40+ crowd
>>709629522
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIqbo2phXdo
>captcha was pick images with trees
>>709630449
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>>709645332
I can't find the story but it was in southern California.
>>709645577
I think you just don't have a social life. I know a lot of people like this guy. And passing a bowl around the car or a joint is a pretty common occurrence in California.
>>709631057
FUCKING NARC, YOU'RE A GOD DAMN TROLLING SHILL
GTFO of here
>>709630046
1 stupid
2 untrue
3 good!
>>709644945
Damn I want to eat that edible.
>>709637126
>>709644484
Fucking homosexual cock sucking asswipes that should fucking kill themselves for being such retards.
>>709629522
Let me just mention test scores while we're at this bullshit.
>>709644652
I believe in individual freedoms, I also believe that a person's individual freedom end at the borders of their property. A person should be able to get high and drive on their property. Those freedoms do not extend into the public. In the "truly free" society, mob mentality would enforce that as well. The action of every law should be to protect the society from the individual. Just as a person from one state cannot carry their state laws into another territory, or from one country to another. The individual will never have the intrests of the whole in mind. How many times do you see a person ride the shoulder to avoid a traffic backup that the rest of society is sitting in because it is prudent, nobody is hurt, but it is illegal for a reason.
>>709644910
You may personally be a prudent individual while making those choices. Do you think everyone else is? Should we abolish those laws because you are anecdotally capable of making those choices. IF people were capable of that then nobody would ever be picked up for DUI, there would not be statistics showing that intoxicated drivers are responsible for most accidents. We cannot evaluate every individual circumstance, that is what the courts and laws are in place for, to evaluate the individual circumstance. A cop can arrest you for alcohol DUI after blowing .01, it may or may not hold up in court, and that is the place for those arguements. "He hasn't killed anyone yet" is not a good reason to ignore a DUI anymore than it is not a good reas on to arrest a person with a bomb.
>>709645577
So that district attorneys for the state can earn money. Oh wait, no, it's so the local and state government officials can write more off on their taxes by hiring these attorneys more often to defend and prosecute people for the ABSOLUTE MOST RETARDED BULLSHIT.
Why the fucking hell do people like you even exist on this god damn planet?
>>709645722
I can see how it would get people killed though. It should definitely have the same penalties as a DUI.
The fuck does having a social life have to do with endangering the lives of other drivers and pedestrians with sheer selfish irresponsiblity? Are you that much of an addict that you can't wait until you get off the wheel?
Man, I used to argue with people who said weed was addictive, but people like you certainly make that statement seem true.
>>709646421
how about you read these >>709646329 >>709645438
and stop attacking easily flawed holes in an argument you're choosing to provoke?
>>709641647
You had/have whole communities based off smoking pot and doing drugs. How can you say that you don't have a sub culture.
>>709645722
In the 70''s people drove around getting drunk. Doesn't mean that thousands didn't die because of it. It is common to fuck kids in a lot of places. SHOULD I start fucking kids and use that as my defense to why it's okay?
Just because lots of stupid people do stupid things, doesn't make it okay. Cartels mutilate people for saying the wrong thing, does it mean my family is not a good family because I don't teach my kids how to peel the skin off he face of people who are mean to them?
>>709645141
>Until its gets ahead of you and you end up fucking up
The fuck are you on about? Anyone can fuck up. It doesn't take weed or alcohol to do the fucking trick, you shithead.
>>709646672
Think about it. Weed is now legal. Is it THAT much to ask for you to wait until you're off the wheel to smoke it?
Are you this fucking much of an addicted piece of shit?
Man you give real stoners a bad name.
Go to rehab. Seriously.
>>709629522
it's not true
>>709645601
Just dont go to the gun shop flaunting you smoke weed or stinking to high heaven. The gun shop owner or attendants will not sell to you and make note of you. Seen it happen to a dumbass kid that wanted to buy a mossburg all stoned.
>>709646672
You linked to people who are blaming it on government conspiracy and blaming it on actions which are already illegal. Which of those are you trying to claim as okay?
>the government puts laws in place for no reason other than to take your money
Or
>people drive on prescription pills all the time (which can also get you a DUI)
I'll try that out in court:
I should be allowed to fuck kids because
>the government made it illegsl so they can make money on the private prison system lobbies.
>people rape adults all the time, I should be allowed to rape kids
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7chI_opi17w
Of the few states that have decriminalized marijuana, and for the rest of the states that keep it illegal for their own selfish, bureaucratic reasons - why the fuck can we stoners not get together and start weeding out the shills keeping it illegal? Why is it so hard for those people from other states to help other states find a way to decriminalize the shit? Why is it so hard for us to look at just how other states did it?
>Fucking idiots.
>>709629522
It's bullshit, made up (as in false aka not true) propaganda. People get paid to create content like that OP. Only actual modern idiots believe Marijuana is a bad thing
>>709647100
It's decriminalized, not legal.
>>709647100
You are an idiot.
Since when is being a Stoner cool or have rules. Not everyone gets blitzed of one hit and can't drive. I vape oil daily while driving to work.
>>709647275
I'm not linking anybody but the faggots and the people who think marijuana isa dangerous thing. Like guns are dangerous, but at least they don't have a conscience.
>Conspiracy
It's not a conspiracy. It's big government. You keep coming up with new bullshit out of thin air and claiming you're correct because of it. Like you're some fucking magician.
>>709646172
>How many times do you see a person ride the shoulder to avoid a traffic backup that the rest of society is sitting in because it is prudent, nobody is hurt, but it is illegal for a reason.
Those two things are not comparable, please try constructing an analogy that makes sense next time. I am not breaking traffic laws or adding time to other's commutes. I know my body, my limits and unless I infringe upon your rights you need to fuck off nanny-government loving, scum-sucking liberal trash.
>>709645601
Remember, that's how it happened in Germany. They're right to be paranoid. Registration is the first step.
>>709647542
>driving high
>call others idiots
>>709637220
hello bait, I'm a vegan
>>709647670
>not driving while vaporizing delicious oil
>call others idiots
>>709647542
Well, there's stoners who do it in a healthy way with friends or movies, and there's the creepy addicts who must have it all the fucking time every waking moment.
You are such a tard. Go to rehab.
>>709647615
Look up the viceland episode on gun records. The whole system is file cabinets and faxed paper work. They loose and misplace papers a lot too.
>>709647812
Doesn't matter. Registration is historically the first step to full confiscation.
>>709629989
Those links or studys are always biased because it never shows how much they smoked daily, weekly, or w.e
The studys can be so altered that they could've literally made them smoke themselves retarded. Like smoking 100gs a day. That's why I never trust those studys
>>709647801
Addiction is a psychological phenomenon.
Rehab is just another government tax write-off.
>>709647801
And some people use it as a prescription instead of pills. So please go fuck yourself, you 18 year old know it all.
>>709647997
Yeah I can't deny that. Hence why I'm going to bury an sks with some ammo around.
>>709647670
Herp drup I'm so high I can't control myself. Oops just killed a baby and mom at a bus stop.
>>709647812
>cabinets and faxed paper work
>lose or misplace
>American Government
>mfw
>>709629989
>Inb4 retarded stoners disagree
>>709647592
Or you could just obey the laws of society. You infringe on my rights the second you get on the road intoxicated.
If you do not agree with that being illegal, then why should it be illegal for me to overload my pickup truck with debris and drive down the road, I am full control of my vehicle. Nobody should have the right to tell me how to conduct my vehicle on the road. Not until it flips and kills someone, or unsecured debris flies off and kills someone. You have no right to tell me how well the items in my car need to be secure. Don't get me stared on headlights. I can see just fine in the dark, of other driver's can't see me that's their problem, I can see and drive just fine with out headlights.
My point was. I don't give a fuck how you feel about your condition. WE have laws, get 51% of people to agree with you and change the law. Arguing existential bullshit about your imaginary utopia which has conceptually failed many times over in application does not change the laws. Don't like it, take your army and conquer somewhere new. YOU could always move to Keene NH, they believe in personal freedom. I mean they also have lack of most modern conveniences and spend most of their day trying to figure out how to deAL with the fact that their leader is an active perophile. But, you know how it is, gotta defend the personal freedom of a pedophile if you want to make a statement.
>>709636470
This stoner has just made a highly intelligent argument.
>>709648382
>inb4
>4 hour old comment
>>709648062
No shit stupid which is why you also get in trouble for driving while taking heavy muscle relaxers.
Smoke weed. Or dont. But don't tell other people do do either one. Use your head whether you smoke or not. Know when you're good to drive and when you're not.
>>709641235
Then you aren't mentally fit to drive in the first place.
>>709647100
What? Because you don't feel safe? yes it is too much to ask.
You want new drivers to wait until they're as old as you are to drive because they don't have as much experience driving or they don't have a kid in their cars yet? Coddled little shit troll.
>>709647592
>scum-sucking liberal trash
>refuses to have a discussion, instead kicks and screams like a sjw.
>your premise is wrong, stop with micro agressions, you'really so priveleged I can'tell be bothered to argue your premise, i'll just call it flawed.
>>709643910
This
>>709648407
>infringe
>>709648604
The fuck are you prattling on about addict?
There will defeinintely be DUI laws against weed while driving. Thank god. You would fucking think that people would have the common sense to not need a law like that but holy shit some people are just fucking relentlessly unflinchingly stupid. People like you.
>>709648604
I don'the feel safe when I see a Muslim run around with a bomb either. Does that mean you and him both deserve a safe space until they kill someone.
>>709630449
>its not like theyre gunna put pot gummy bears next to the snickers at a gas station.
They aren't?
>the physical labelling wont be targeted to appeal to kids.
It won't?
>the solution is to educate people to know driving after theyre high is a bad idea and they cant handle it
Is it?
>im not sure why thats a bad thing?
You sure?
>>709648504
Agreed.
>>709648732
>There will definitely be DUI laws against weed while driving. Thank god.
>God
Waaaaaaaaaaaaahwaaah!!!! Wahhhhhhhhhh!!! Wah! WWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!
I WANT IT MY WAY!!!
>>709641235
Kek what?
You edgy faggot, keep living in a day dream. Don't use weed as your excuse for not doing the things in your head. You wouldn't do then either way.
>>709648808
>THE 4.20 BAR
>>709648504
>Use your head whether you smoke or not. Know when you're good to drive and when you're not.
So... That was the solution all along huh?
We should place this as a headline on a news paper: When you smoke weed, use your head.
The answer was right in front of our noses all along.
>>709637127
I saw this study though. Like any good scientific study they also monitored a control group that was sober. They determined that the stoned people where safer drivers overall, only downside was a slightly slower reaction time (like when you need to slam on your brakes)
>>709649161
Dude really you make yourself look like a bigger retard with every post. He's making a lot more sense than you.
>>709630192
bit cherry picking, because it also showed that those drugged drivers where more dangerous to sober drivers because they drove so slow on the fucking freeway.
>>709649161
You really can't wait until you're not driving to get high?
Holy shit practice some self control you fucking pleb.
>>709648808
what makes it so appealing to kids?
You think you really know why?
No, get the fuck out of here. When they start advertising Angry Birds on their products then you're argument will be valid, but it never will because everyone already understands what kids find appealing. Whatever their elders find interesting. You think kids think bright colors and silly names are appealing?
Were you born yesterday a fucking 60 year old?
lol
>>709649236
Anon there's no golden fucking solution for this problem and there never will be. If you think some answer will be found then you're as fucking stupid as the people who drive when they're fucked up.
You can be a dick about it, but that's the only solution.
>>709648808
>its not like theyre gunna put pot gummy bears next to the snickers at a gas station.
I really don't think that will happen. If it does, someone will get in some serious legal trouble. It's not like you see alcohol accidentally sold alongside iced tea. And some alcohol looks like iced tea. There will definitely be strict checks in place
>>709629522
Driving while intoxicated isn't legal in any state in the union. Anyone who blames pot, and not the idiots who get high and then drive is being intellectually dishonest. When I get high, I can't find my car keys...does that mean it *should* be legal? Of course not, NBC news.
>>709649362
I don't smoke weed. I used to when I was in high-school.
But you better believe that I advocate it's use and I would smoke any day I was offered it and the mood is right.
Yeah, I've driven after smoking pot. Maybe three or four times. It was no problem. I know how to drive. My physical reflexes aren't affected. My attention has to be solid and fixed on what I'm doing. And I can handle a few hits and a short drive. You gotta deal with it.
Someday though, some baby is going to die in a car wreck. The baby will be a white girl. The mother will have just gotten a new job or raise. Or married, or just moved into town. And the collision will be caused by a driver who was 'intoxicated' or 'under-the-influence' and weed will take as much blame as any other drug or alcohol. And you'll get your way. And it won't solve a thing. It's illegal to drive drunk but people still do it... don't they.... but then again..... alcohol isn't illegal...
Because alcohol isn't a thing
>>709649432
>what makes it so appealing to kids?
res ipsa loquitur
>You think you really know why?
Do you?
>No, get the fuck out of here. When they start advertising Angry Birds on their products then you're argument will be valid, but it never will because everyone already understands what kids find appealing. Whatever their elders find interesting.
So, kids don't currently find edibles appealing?
>You think kids think bright colors and silly names are appealing?
Uh... Yeah bro.
>>709649505
That idn't the solution. People are *going* to get high. Some of those people will drive while high. Do you want to hear something that is true but counter-intuitive? Driving while high is a skill. If we allowed people to practice driving while high, it would decrease the number of accidents. State governments can decide if they want to spend their unbalanced budgets on enforcement or make money off of something that is going to happen whether they go into the red for enforcement (that doesn't work) or not.
>>709648407
There you go with the idiotic attempts to compare things that aren't in any way related and completely missing the point in the process...sometimes I don't know why I even humor people like you. I'll keep it short so you can understand this time: If I'm driving in a reckless manner and THEN found to be intoxicated we need to handle it in accordance with the law but someone smoking while driving perfectly fine should not be a reason to do that. The reason laws are the way that they are is because previous generation didn't have access to as much information and were easily led by rich and powerful people with an agenda and money to lose. THC actually focuses me on the road if I'm tired and helps me sleep when I get home, I don't know why but mary jane is a great co-pilot to have. Please explain why you believe this infringes upon your rights besides:
>the gubbermant says
Unless you can link me to several scientific journals detailing the effects that cannabis has on operating a motor vehicle we're both arguing over anecdotal bullshit.
>TL;DR my opinion is that your opinion is shit
>>709649888
Yeah no shit, plenty of people feel like they can "handle it" when driving drunk too, and we see how well that turns out at a national level, don't we?
>>709629522
I don't partake of marijuana usage, but I agree that it should not be illegal to consume. People should have the right to choose for themselves if they want to buy a product.
Prisons are overpopulated with repeat minor drug crimes that end up causing more damage to society than just letting them be. Taking people out of the work force, making tax payers pay for them in prison, and damaging social bonds between family members.
>>709649161
What the fuck are you trying to say in this post? Do you have brain damage?
>>709648808
>They aren't?
NEVER going to happen, not only are those expensive but way to easy to steal, would deff be in a locked box behind the counter that only the manager would have a key to
>>709650259
>expensive
It won't be that expensive if it's legal nationwide.
>>709649919
That's so fucking stupid.
>It might just work
But that won't happen.
>>709650040
If I reply with a logical response, will you just say I'm wrong and attack me with something else?
Or should I just make fun of you and let you call me a name?
Does it matter? nah, because I'm right and you've got some stuff to learn. if you've never smoked pot before then you don't know what you're talking about. if you've never been drunk, you don't know what you're talking about. It's not a pseudo-science. If you don't know what it feels like, then you have no opinion worth listening to, unless you've been in an accident caused by someone else who happened to be under the influence of alcohol or drugs including marijuana. It could just be a simple mistake but you take them to court for money and selfish reasons because you love your car and you now hate weed and alcohol.
>What if my ___ was in the car with me!!!???
>>709650361
Either way it's like cigs and pipes and shit. It's going to be behind the counter.
>>709650361
its going to go from $20 to 5$, doesn't matter still much more than a snickers
Only deplorables and nuggets use marijuana
>>709629522
These types of ad's are financed by the alcohol lobby.. they're pure evil
>>709634004
>tfw you go out in public And see 7-10 yo girls dressed like high school sluts
>tfw autistic parents having stupid kids that will one day become autistic parents because muh family line