Do Americans actually believe they could beat ChinaRussia in a war?
Why are two Security Forces faggots who love to call themselves "SF" to confuse civilians trying to look tough?
>>708686622
It would be the ultimate war. But no sane person actually wants that
Sure, why not?
>>708686622
It would have to take both China and Russia wouldn't it, OP?
>>708687095
There would be no war. Just nuclear destruction. Humanitys savage nature will lead to its downfall.
>>708686622
China or Russia, or China and Russia.
Because defeating one of them is quite feasible.
Russia would have to deal with the constant bombardment from the water and all of Europe (what little support they could add) on the its left side.
China is only scary because of the amount of people it has, but with no way to mass transport said people to The Americas. It's kind of pointless.
We could shoot down every single ship and they would die by the millions.
Nukes and no one wins.
U.S. does have enough nuclear power to ensure that if a single nuke hits U.S. soil. We will be able to send a nuke back.
No way around it on either side.
We have nuclear submarines right now ready to just nuke the fuck out of Russia or China.
We wouldn't be picky about sending them out if a nuke ever hits our soil.
>>708687095
>It would be the ultimate war
two nuclear powers, would be end of the world war.
also would suck dog dick since the US would just buttblast them with their navy.
China's military and technology is 30 years behind the United States. Russia doesn't have the money to build a military force. NATO forces are far superior to that of Russia and China. The only thing the two have are expendable soldiers. Ww2 shows that Russia doesn't give a shit how many soldier are sent to their deaths and China wouldn't give a shit either. China would be demolished from the east and west because of Japan.
Who does feel getting killed by war while I live in a pacifist country?
>>708686622
Do non Americans really believe America could lose in a war against ChinaRussia?
>>708687741
>Send a nuke back
We could send 2 for everyone 1 and still never even touch our supply.
>>708688254
and all of those people mean nothing without transportation.
Biggest issue with China, period.
>not enough airplanes
>not enough boats
>both of what they do have could easily be destroyed over the ocean
>not one bit of U.S. life would be lost for the millions that would die China side just trying to touch ground in N. America
China would have a much better time conquering all of the middle east.
Slowly one step at a time.
>>708686622
The US is basically invincible because it has the ability to project power where it needs to across the world. It's the only country with a real navy.
TAKE YOUR SHIT TO /k/
IT's not about one beating the other. Nobody will win, we'll all lose our shit.
Whatever tatters of their forces that make it through the unspeakable onslaught that is the US Navy would then be met with the largest air force on the planet.
They'd all be dead before they made it ten miles inland.
The only way it'd even be remotely possible is if they managed to sneak an ENTIRE ARMY undetected through Canada or Mexico.
Nukes are an non issue.
It would never happen.
>>708688801
other countries have navy's just not as big but still stationed in the same waters dumb shit
>>708686622
You really seem to underestimate the value of having thousands of miles of ocean between us and the rest of the world.
We could shoot down every single ship and they would die by the millions.
Yes and we sink every plane
>>708686622
>china manlets small cocks no balls
>Russia are you even serious bro?
We would fucking rape them.
>>708689079
lol. Really nigger? Are you making an assumption that every nation on earth is against the U.S. in this scenario?
Once you factor in how many of those countries are our allies, The Naval force of an "allied" force would dwarf that of China and Russia
>>708689079
How would you deal with the fact that the US is the only Navy in the world that has any meaningful number of aircraft carriers?
NATO numbers far exceed Russian. China would likely side with US and try to make some landgrabs
>>708688801
We're also armed to the teeth.
Seriously, ever citizen has a gun. If they don't, their neighbor has 10.
>>708689331
This too. People seem to think that China hates the US for the sake of hating the US. They're not stupid. The pros of being AGAINST Russia far outweigh the cons.
>>708689079
Anon... No. I'm sorry, just no. You're wrong. You're so wrong in not even going to tell why. It should be common knowledge by now
BTW ITS REALLY ALL ABOUT THE POWER AND WE HAVE IT ALL
>70% of china's military is communist so they wouldn't be able to fight due to political reasons
>russia has no major allies so no help from
anyone
>most russian vehicle equipment is outdated
>nato is and the un are bigger than russia
>also giant body of water between there country and ours
>lastly as soon as they try to cross it any navy ship can be any where in the world in 36hrs
Russia would be a huge problem. China wont be too much of an issue until 2025
>>708689330
you mean 7 :l
>>708689467
I don't think you understand the concept of lower class ships and submarines do you? its not all about aircraft carriers
>>708689291
I don't think you understand that OP was talking about just the us vs china and russia
wow people got salty quick
>>708689694
You mean over 20?
>>708689694
10 are full on carriers and 9 are almost. That's a lot more then other countries mayn including Russia. Look that shit up
I'm not even sure why China would ally with Russia. US and china despite political differences in ideology are both capitalist countries whose economies depend on one another.
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>>708689827
I'm sorry, but America's recently decommissioned Frigates are more powerful than 90% of the world's Navy. Aircraft carriers allow forward operation, but that's not the only thing they have in spades.
OF YOU
>>708688254
It's kind of funny how Japan totally has our back even though we totally raped them in the worst way since the dawn of man. It's like battered wife syndrome.
>>708690450
You don't think that if China had a chance to rid themselves of that economical dependence, they'd take it?
>>708690450
China and Russia have a very long history of allying during war. It's unlikely they would consider going to war without one another.
>>708686622
china? easy.
russia? with great casualties.
both at same time? literally the end of life as we know it.
>>708690624
China is playing the long game. Their artificial islands are nothing more than a temporary scare tactic. They won't risk ruining economic ties when that's their clear path to victory.
>>708690589
Lmao dude we created their government after ww2 we've been controlling Japan since. Not as hardcore as in the past now. But either way those are our cucks that's would ally with Their American Bull anyday
>>708690521
>i'm sorry, but we can zerg rush you
>plus we have a bunch of things that we've constantly bragged about to the rest of the world
Are we going to pretend that Russia and China are defenceless and they don't have a whole lot of secret missiles, military vehicles and artillery? not every country brags like America.
Geo-engineering for example, could provide a stealthy avenue of attack that seemingly no one considers, aside from the "crazies".
That's not even the tip of the iceberg. It's here, it's coming, a new technological revolution will present itself after a good amount of the masses are killed off.
How can we fight against humans whom have bogarted knowledge from the population and plan to eliminate us all once we have finished their desired work for an immortal paradise?
>>708687741
Defeating one of them would be a joke, defeating both would be a bit of work.
>>708690923
You missed my point. An isolated comparison of the rest of the world's Navy to America's isn't even close to a competition. Now if we want to talk military vehicles and land combat, that's a different scenario. However, the simple truth is, none of that matters if you can't hold the ocean.
>>708690923
>not every country brags like America.
Are you actually this retarded, or are you just really good at pretending?
>Russia and China are defenseless
No, but it'd be pretty fucking hard to mount a full scale invasion of the US while simultaneously defending your impossibly large border against fucking NATO.
>lot of secret missiles, military vehicles and artillery
AAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
>>708691312
>if you can't hold the ocean.
Which neither Russia nor China can. The US navy simply dwarfs every other navy on the planet.
>>708691501
Then we are in agreement.
>>708688254
30 years behind?
You're crazy man, they have stealth aircraft better than we in the uk have now it's mental
The simple answer is, no one would win. Whoever seemed close to losing would launch their nukes and decimate 75% of the planet.
>>708687741
Implying France, UK, Germany, Italy, Turkey aren't significant combined military powers.
But Muricah, we won WW2 by ourselves.
>>708691546
I'm a different anon, but yeah. I was just affirming a point.
The ocean is fucking big. Real fucking big. Until we can fucking teleport troops across an ocean, that and airplanes are the only ways to get an army across it. It would be a fucking bloodbath.
In reality it would be a nuclear holocaust if we (US) went to war with either. But in a theoretical conventional war. US wins every time. We have a fucking untouchable Navy. What's the good of millions of soldiers if you haven't got the resources to transport them? Do you Non Americans really think that the U.S. isn't still war machine? We are a warring civilization. We have been at war for 222 years of our 239 year existence.
>>708690577
>Datfilename.jpg
>>708687497
I'd love to see Europe turn round and just buddy up with Russia.
Eurasia v Americas continent war.
The US wouldn't last a year on the aggressive. Then would spend 10years in rebellion to occupation.
Although saying that, with Hillary in power I could see her just launching nukes as a fuck you.
>>708692015
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahaahahahhaahahahahahahahahahahahahah
Only things matter, in order.
>defense against nuclear attacks
>power of nuclear attacks
US wins at both, US can take on both at the same time. We know the locations of all of Russia and Chinas air bases and missle silos. They know where ours are. We have missle silos in places not even on US soil. Russia and china do too.
It would be fucken chaos if everyone hit the button at once. The US would stand strong 72 hours later, china would pull out and russia would be freaking the fuck out as putin tries to measure his dick to reassure himself.
>>708691870
dipshit theyre allied powers. turkey is a bit flakey and greece fucking sucks. italy will probably change sides 12 times and end up quitting and going back to eating moms spaghetti but the ret of those countries will have the USAs backm
>>708690624
Everyone wants to be independent. But going to war doesn't make that so.
>>708688254
>Russia doesn't have the money to build a military force.
you're retarded.
they have their own bank and currency, which means they can print all the money in the world they need to fund military expenditures (see hitler prior to ww2 and how a country which actualy had no money managed to build the best army the world had ever seen)
>>708691664
>better than the typhoon
i think not.
or does CUKland only have f16s still?
>>708692015
People say Trump is "dangerous" but in reality Hillary is more dangerous. Trump talked about getting our troops out of south korea and many other countries limiting our appearances as we re-construct our own country from the inside out.
Hillary, she doesn't know what shes doing with foreign governments. The scary part is all the experience she has, and what she has to show with it.
>>708688426
Considering Russia and China they have more than 5 times the manpower.
Triple the amount of tanks.
Double the size if the US navy.
6 times the labor force for logistics,
More than 3 times the oil reserves.
And really most of that is just China on its own.
Ofcourse then you get into the quality of weaponry, but we know what happened with quality vs quanitity in WW2.
>>708688314
If You don't live in Mauritius, it doesn't exist.
>>708692108
You disagree?
Even the US couldn't take on that amount of sheer numbers. UK, Germany and France's navy alone can put up a serious fught
>>708692015
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Jesus fucking Christ, people. It's not just the fucking navy you'd be fighting against, it'd be a fucking bloodbath. There's no way to transport any reasonable number of fighter jets along WITH a ground force.
The advantage is always on the side of the defenders. The US is by far the most defendable country in the world.
Si.
We murdered 90 million of our natives and stood by as 6 million more jews died in crispy.
You have no idea what we are or what horrors we can further.
Set your wheat on fire now so we can flavor you.
>>708692186
No shit
>>708686622
Yea, because they both need each other to fight America. It would be nice to send all russians and chinese back to which they came since its so awesome there.
>>708691870
You came in as the war was 90% over and made 100000 films about it.
I mean like cheers lads, thanks for the help and all that, but the amount of Americans I've met that genuinely believe they won it solo is scary
>>708692519
>put up a serious fught
Against what? The US navy?
Okay. Bring those ships in range of the country's surface to air missiles, air force and navy.
It's a losing battle from start to finish.
I'm not defending the US, I'm just saying it's fucking RETARDED to try and attack the mainland.
>>708686622
Yes, but it's precisely this over confidence that makes the U.S. military so vulnerable. They have absolutely no clue what warfare in the 21st century looks like. They've been fighting primitive sand tribes for so long, that they've fooled themselves into thinking that they're actually superior, and not just picking the weakest remnants leftover after WWII, that were never sucked up by the major powers at the end of that conflict. They're expecting a conventional war, where they know exactly who their enemies are, and have clear logistical lines with no mistakes. They have no idea how to handle asymmetric warfare. They think they're winning in Iraq and Afghanistan.
I bet the CIA thinks they invented Psy-Ops too. If so, that just goes to show how young our country is, and how naive its governmental backbone is.
So let me make it clear. The U.S. military thinks they could beat the entire world in a war. They think they could take on the entire universe. They think they're invincible. They are that arrogant.
>>708686622
No shit it's fucking America, fuck yeah!
>>708692707
I wouldn't say it was 90% over, I see what you're driving at. Germany was absolutely on the ropes. I'd absolutely say that the US helped prevent a tremendous amount of potential loss of life, though.
The reason so many Americans believe that the US came in and fucking Rambo'd it up is because that's what they're taught in school. You honestly can't blame them TOO much for it. I always knew that the US wasn't solely responsible for the W, but I had to go to college and take elective history courses to learn the full story behind WW1 and WW2.
>>708692519
US > Russia
US > China
US > Russia/China
US > Russia/EU
US > China/EU
US =<Russia/China/EU
US/Israel > Everything from spear chuckers to commies all at once.
cum @me bro
>>708692376
We never had f16s as far as I'm aware.
The typhoon isn't full stealth, we did try buy some of your f22s(I think it was those) but they didn't work so. >>708692420
Yhuppp
>>708692709
I said navy, as in ship to ship combat. Pushing the fleet out of European and East Asian waters
Not a coastal attack force you mong
>>708692828
This is actually what Russians think, even Chinese aren't that stupid
>>708692828
>So let me make it clear. The U.S. military thinks they could beat the entire world in a war. They think they could take on the entire universe. They think they're invincible. They are that arrogant.
I'm sorry, but it appears as though your phone autocorrected Russia to U.S.
the real problem about the direct war involving these countries is the social and economic stability inside of themselves. They all are broke, and there is not enough nationalism to hold a direct war.
>>708692973
Oh for sure. I don't doubt Britain would've held but I'm glad we didn't have to.
Yeah I guess, American education system ey?
>>708686622
>America can hit any point on any land mass in under seven minutes. Seriously, any lat long in sub 7
>America has a thirteen layer+ defense grid that prevents a missile or projectile of any kind from hitting our shores. We can shoot rockets from the edge of space to about 75 feet from the ground in major important areas
>The only way to put boots on our shores are to take some of the most heavily fortified ports in the world, or if you're really stupid land on the east coast and get gunned down by rednecks and the military.
>American citizens literally foam at the mouth imagining getting to assemble a militia. We have private citizens with fully functional cannons and tanks
So the only way to hit ground in America is like... Capture Hawaii and use it as an air base. Good luck, or capture Mexico and March up through Texas, which might be the worst idea possible. Or try to land on our shores and get shredded while incoming shells get lasered out of the sky. You nuke us and we'll send two back, all our nuckear systems are hard wired and can be sent with two men physically if needed. Our launch codes could be guessed they're so simple. Attacking American soil may be the worst idea I've ever heard of.
>>708686622
The two soldiers couldn't even figure out wearing the same type of uniform for what looks like a photo shoot. Jesus christ, America.
>>708693035
>I said navy, as in ship to ship combat
Yes, but why would the US ever fucking leave its boarders?
It has literally everything it needs to sustain itself. Food, water, oil. Yeah, shit'd get tough, and quality of life would suffer greatly, but you can't starve us out in some kind of 21st century siege.
>>708686622
say HI OSE
>>708692973
Its like 5 people trying to push a car but cant it to move, than you came in as the 6th person to tip the scales.
And that was only after we've been trying to push the car for several hours and you tried your hardest to not life a finger, only because the car was your ride home did you decide to help out eventually.
>>708691870
>But Muricah, we won WW2 by ourselves.
Kek, dumbass. Read some history.
The US beat Japan almost single handed, The Russkies broke the back of the Wehrmacht (with American supplies) but the true heros of the European theater was a tiny island nation that a far better equipped, trained, and far larger army, the greatest war machine ever assembled.
The fookin' Brits stalled and foiled the Germans at almost every turn, and bought the allies enough time for the USA to build millions of tons of hardware and ordinance to supply both them and the Soviets.
These are the same bastards that conquered about half the world in the 19th century.
All I have to say is that I'm glad were mostly on the same side these days.
>>708686692
stomp a mudhole in your ass though
>>708693291
>Yeah I guess, American education system ey?
No shit, man. The state of Texas actually tried to fucking ban AP US history because it tells the real story of our country's birth.
>>708686622
Yup. Russia's GDP is about the same size as Italy's, and their population is quickly shrinking.
Not to mention that the only aspect of Russia's military that's remotely up to date is their SAMs.
Absolutely no way Russia can take on the US alone, its a numbers game. If NATO gets involved, I bet that Poland alone would prove to be a nightmare for Russia.
My gut feeling is that this whole Russia nonsense is an attempt to coup the US government by getting people to vote for Trump.
After which Putin can just start scooping up countries like what he pulled in Crimea to snag delicious NATO/US funded infrastructure.
>>708692994
US > Russia
US > China
US < Russia/China
US < Russia/EU
US < China/EU
>>708686622
Their conscripts don't have the heart to beat an all volunteer force
They may get us but it will take 20 of their lives for every 1 of ours
>>708693631
>US < Russia/China
Only in a land war. China's airforce and navy would be decimated in days.
>>708692570
Do what now?
>>708693325
which is why ISIS decided to do the next best thing.
release extremely simple instructions on how to create IED's.
then post videos of war so the crazies can sit in their own homes watching them for hours at a time.
then post false information for certain people to eat it up, no questions asked.
>>708693539
>because it tells the real story of our country's birth.
IT TELLS HOW BAD THE BAD WHITE PEOPLE ARE REALLY BAD BAD BAD
>>708693447
You're joking, right?
The US entered WW2 for multiple reasons. None of which were because Europe was their "ride home".
The Germans continuously sank American merchant ships, eventually sinking the lusitania. The Zimmerman telegram. German ships were attacking US war ships. Oh, and a little think called Pearl Harbor.
WW2 was on the downswing when the US jumped in, but at no point does your "hurdur murikah sux" analogy come anywhere close to resembling the truth.
Somebody /thread me
>>708690680
explain this long history, as this has never happened that i am aware of.
>>708693885
>IT TELLS HOW BAD THE BAD WHITE PEOPLE ARE REALLY BAD BAD BAD
Go beg on street corners, nigger.
>>708693908
>WW2
>lusitania
>>708693809
China and Russia have a significantly larger navy than the US, more than triple the size, so it's gonna depend entirely on where, when, how what and everything.
>>708693936
>North Korea
>78 submarines
>>708693908
>>708693447
US really was trying to stay out of it until Germany and Japan declared war on us.
Isolationism was tried folks.
We took a giant shit on japan for that one.
>>708694021
Fuck. Go fucking damnit.
I meant S.S. Athenia. The cruise ship that had Americans on it. I was drawing a blank on the name and wrote down the first one that came to mind.
>>708693908
>American merchant ships, eventually sinking the lusitania.
RMS Lusitania was a British ocean liner that was sunk by a German submarine in World War I.
>>708692828
Are you serious? And you think Russia or China has any better experience to deal with such a conflict? There has been absolutely zero modern military war. US has far more battle experience. How about we scrap the factual things and look at it with some sense. So what you're saying is that a plain person who just works out for the hell of it can be a better soccer player, then let's say any other athlete (non soccer of course) of any other sport who plays soccer for the first time? Well, I'd take the guy who has extended experience with picking out a non-centralized organization to perform better in a modern war than just a big brute (who isn't even as brutish as the former). I'd take US>Russia, US>China, and US=>Russia China. Having just even one buffer ally (Japan, or any NATO nation) would undoubtedly make a situation far in the US's favor.
>>708693698
I don't know all that much about military doctrine, but don't they rely on non-coms much more heavily than we do, and have a much more centralized command structure?
I know that back when it was the Soviet Union, calling in fire support was a couple command levels about what US doctrine is.
>>708693936
Jesus, that is a lot of aircraft. Muh power projection for real. Also, china has that few warheads? That seems really bad in a counterforce scenario.
>>708692707
I'm 38 and I can tell you that's basically what was taught in schools in the 80s and earlier. As I understand it they've calmed down with that these days.
I'm wondering though, maybe that wasn't such a bad thing. I miss feeling uber patriotic about being American. Even more I miss seeing that in other people who aren't ignorant rednecks.
>>708686622
Yes. Absolutely.
>>708694119
They got a really good deal for buying them in bulk. The Koreans are notoriously frugal people.
>>708694101
What in the fuck are you talking about
>>708693936
who the fuck let mexico have an airforce
>>708693908
Y..y.. you do realise that's WW1 right? The Lusitania sank in like 1915.
>>708693936
biggety bam bitches, read it and weep... we need the Aussies, Brits, Dutch and Germans though, and they'll kick some ass with us.
>>708692828
On one handed you argue that the US is only good at conventional warfare but on the other you state that they haven't been in such in the middle East.
>>708694206
Tbf though it's a good thing
Patriotism is fucking retarded anyway. Just a tool for funding wars
>>708693936
This x10000
Air projection and carrier fleets would just decimate the commies.
Air Power>1bil widescreen viewing cuks.
Burn coal fuckers
>>708694101
In terms of numbers of ships, sure. In terms of tonnage? No fucking way.
We also have 10 freaking carriers. Carrier battlegroups are nasty.
>>708694344
He's not totally wrong though, US was very agressive at sea toward Germany. I think in 41 there was a a battle off Greenland fought between a US destroyer and a U-boat.
Any history anons remember the details?
The Russians-- Soviet Union-- lost two wars before the Second World War: They were beat by Poland and Finland.
Since then, they were run right out of Afghanistan.
The US would blow through Russia like shit through a goose in conventional warfare.
>>708686622
The USA would never have to fight alone.
70% of the entire planet's military forces are part of NATO.
It would be a short initial war before Russia and China surrendered, and then a really shitty, protracted guerilla war that nobody would win because two countries would be bombed to shit and a whole bunch of other countries would have nearly gone bankrupt to bomb them.
Of course nobody is coming to Russia's defence, they have no allies they aren't paying off or threatening militarily.
>>708694344
Yes. Yes. Ii fucking know. I was drawing a blank on the name and just typed the first one that came to mind. I meant the S.S. Athenia.
The other fucking famous ship.
>>708687741
they have land based missiles which can one shot any aircraft carrier from hundreds of miles away
at the same time they're building up oceanic defenses to install these missile systems hundreds of miles in the sea...
though i agree, any super power going to full scale war with one another will effectively end in a standoff until some doomsday faggot decides to end teh world with nukes
>>708692490
Those stats are great to look at but you also have to look at how each military has been designed and what they are capable of.
China has a huge population, but no viable method to transport their manpower. They are also much more capable of defending their mainland against the US vs invading, while the US is much more capable of both defense and force projection.
>>708694758
To be fair, Winter War was a result of Stalin purging all his officers and vets. Commies obtained their wargoals there too, they just lost a lot of people.
ITT: a bunch of fatties that would be instant 4F argue about military strategy and tactics
>>708694194
>don't they rely on non-coms much more heavily than we do
I don't know if they rely on their non-commissioned officers more than we do. That is a good question. I think our officer corp is appropriately placed for their positions, and constant adjustments were made until the right balance and the right level of responsibility was put in the right places.
Our only problem now is that many universities teach more communism and social justice than they teach real usable knowledge.
The grown ups are not in control anymore, and this is a problem.
>>708694734
>>708694734
>>708694734
10 carriers and 9 technical carriers**
Our navy alone has more fighters than BOTH combined. Our Airforce is just pudding on top of the gigga puddi.
>>708694734
>Any history anons remember the details?
I don't remember anything like that off the top of my head, but the US did send an occupation force to Greenland to relieve the English at some point in 1941.
It's been a while.
>>708694996
They don't even have to be 4F.
It's a bunch of armchair generals who think they know strategy from a few video games and WWII documentaries.
>>708694984
>they just lost a lot of people.
lol, yes, quite a few, no shit. To Finland.
>>708695081
Funniest thing about this picture, is the b1 on the right is at the end of its usable life, while the B52H is still going strong.
>>708694771
>implying these useless fucks have any meaningfull miliatary to help with
>implying they wont tucktail and become conquered before the war was even officially declared
russia can easily annex europe, china can easily annex those island states.
by then all those assets promised for merikah will effectively be in enemy hands, excluding manpower, but they have 1billion people, so it's hard to believe they have more tech than they do people to man them...
also everyone seems to forget about india, and more importantly south american commies that are aligned with russia, that's a major force to reckon with, even if nato claims to be almighty and powerful.
>>708686622
Nukes all around, nobody wins
russia would be facing another western front from europe and america still has a strong grip on the pacific so they would just have to bomb the shit out of chinese and russian military installations england would also still side with america providing them with additional air and sea power the likes of which have never been truly matched and fucking canada would just send an army of angry hockey players to russia and china to completely slaughter them, russia and china are fucked if they end up in a war with the usa
>>708695216
HA, found it. Was Iceland tho.
http://www.defensemedianetwork.com/stories/undeclared-war-in-the-atlantic-the-u-s-navy-versus-the-u-boats/
>Four days later, the USS Greer, a World War I-era destroyer, narrowly escaped being torpedoed by U-552 off the coast of Iceland
>>708695346
>russia can easily annex europe,
You're fucking retarded if you actually believe that.
The Europeans on their own could hold off Russia indefinitely. A US backed European force would likely beat Russia back into the stone age.
>>708695336
Don't say that about the bones, it's still a great ground pounder.
Love that ass on her.
The B52H is just a monster and always will be, doubt we'll ever retire that fat bitch.
>>708686622
They can't even beat goat fucking sheep farmers.
They lost the war in Vietnam and Irak so why do Americans think they could win a war?
>>708687741
also the america populace is generally heavily armed, even if they managed to make way, you still have to deal with the fact tons of people carry guns and want a reason to go billy bad ass gun slinger.
>>708693936
Date?
>>708695346
>russia can easily annex europe, china can easily annex those island states.
Yeah Russia V Europe is about 20 seconds before the EU is dividing up what was formerly the world's largest country. Japan and Korea would stomp a mud hole in China.
India is aligned with Britain and the US.
Seriously it's like all you've ever read was Puti-poo's propaganda.
>>708695546
neither could russia while engaging in a full scale invasion
>>708695346
>south american commies that are aligned with russia, that's a major force to reckon with,
not really and they cannot afford to get their asses kicked
We can sustain, they cannot.
>>708695626
Maybe, are you a girl?
>>708686622
no? a land war in asia would be a disaster
>>708695336
If you saw the numbers for the B-1 you wouldn't think that, besides the upgrades they are currently getting.
>>708695712
No land war necessary. Just station a navy around china sea and bomb that shit with long range missiles and strike bombers. The blockade alone would buttfuck chinese commerce
>>708692828
does anyone else?
which country with a modern military has actually fought against another modern military?
>>708695432
Do you honestly believe that Russia wouldn't just simplify matters by launching ICBM's at the US and our allies?
>>708695510
I think the only reason why the B52G models were retired was because they weren't as efficient as the H models. The Airframe is basically the same. It's flexible and has plenty of room for upgrades.
The airframe of the Bone is its problem.
>>708695712
Russia doesn't have the global reach the US does, it would take the entire Russian Air Force to do what some US bases do every day.
>>708694630
>what is vietnam
airpower alone won't get you anywhere
you need to actually take ground
as long as the enemy holds their ground you have won nothing
>>708696038
and then get a huge ass counter attack and resulting nuclear fallout?! Russians aren't dumb niggers anon.
>>708695646
The russians invested a shit ton into Kabul. They built Polytechnic university of Kabul.
Any time the Afghans tried some terrorist shit, the Soviets would indiscriminately shell the city with artillery.
(rumor I heard while i was there)
>>708696242
We can take nukes out before they reach us anyway.
>>708695476
>superpower
>against a bunch of poor ass halfslav countries which would willingly join russia
>while the others are too poor and weak to help
eastern europe would fall so fast. central and western would just get cucked from all the sleeper cell agents brought in as refugees.
can't fight a guerilla war while trying to fight conventional warfare at the same time.
>>708695831
>If you saw the numbers for the B-1 you wouldn't think that
I'll take your word for it
>>708696195
The problem with vietnam was that it was guerilla warfare with little to no identified hard targets.
With Russia and China, we have so many targets and key cities. Theres probably a US intellegence team already deciding which targets to take first, Moscow? Beijing?
>>708696195
vietnam was not war we intended to win
Politicians controlling, and retracted warfare... very stupid
>>708696054
Those wings are a nightmare for maint.
Source: work with a crewchief that fielded the bones
Sadly still my favorite bomber.
>>708696195
sure, however a land war would still be in our favor.
Our force projection and staging is leaps and bounds from anyone else.
Plus it'd be a more conventional war, where we excel best.
China would be a nightmare from the sheer populous and casualties with a pussified ROE
>>708686622
if it were a real war, it wouldn't be any problem.
u.s. military tech, weapons and training are all miles ahead of both russia and china.
the fact is that u.s. politicians and those in power don't want an easy win for the u.s., they want the u.s. citizens to be afraid of russia, china, n. korea, isis, what have you.
ultimately fear is more valuable than victory.
>>708696364
>>against a bunch of poor ass halfslav countries which would willingly join russia
lol, dumbass. They split from Russia as soon as they thought they could get away with it. They'll destroy those faggots.
>>708696404
And put a few daisy cutters on Pyongyang while we're in the neighborhood, LOL
>>708686622
Russia can't even beat tuberculosis in a fight. We could fuck their whole country just by taking over one prison and just releasing all the prisoners.
Russians are good for dying en masse and producing one Hero-class Russian for every 10,000,000 dead cassocks.
China is another matter, I'm not really sure what they're capable of, but Russia is a fucking meme state.
>>708693333
>Air Force
>Soldiers
Kek
>>708696562
>Sadly still my favorite bomber.
agreed, the outside looks better than the inside though... notice that?
>>708693333
both are authorized, so it's not a problem. They'll hog tie your ass though. They don't fuck around, and they don't afraid of anything.
>>708696871
Ever seen the inside of the intruder? Apparently was paradise.
Strat Bombers get shit for comfort, which is shitty.
The B2 is apparently like trying to work on a ww2 sub.
I just want to see a b1 loaded with cb97s and wipe out a column of armor, my wet dream lol
>>708686622
We have more shit to blow them up with, they might have some sort of fucking super haxxor weapon that disables entire aircraft carriers and missile defense systems wirelessly so that we can't use our shit to blow them up anymore.
Real question is why you want us to fight OP? Personally I will gladly accept aid from Russians and fight alongside Russian invasionary forces as we try to take back America from Hillary Clinton after she wins and declares war.
>>708697338
War with Russia is inevitable.
>>708697465
You can't invade the willing.
Half of socialist hillary America would prefer capitalist Russia take us over.
>>708697465
>War with Russia is inevitable.
Pah, Russia is a paper tiger. We destroyed the Soviet Union just by spending money. Russia is just a shell of what the Soviet Union was.
>>708697681
I feel like youre just pulling that figure out of your ass.
Besides I dont even support hillary (or trump) but I can tell you that if anyone wants to spread their asscheeks for Russia, its Trump
>>708695641
>India is aligned with Britain and the US.
>making military agreements
>buying up russian weapons
what the hell makes you think india is pro US?
also if you think a military union between dozens of tiny ass countries which all speak different languages can conveniently fight against a superpower, you're fucking duuuuuuuuuuuuuumb
Air superiority nigga
>>708698085
Except, quite a few nato countries are superpowers
>>708695702
ya'll can't even keep cartels from encroaching and taking over entire cities, the fuck makes you think the US can sustain an invasion from an actual military force while trying to fight asia and trying to protect europe from getting buttblasted by russia?
say HI TO OUR ADOLF
>>708686622
China has no blue water navy and literally 1 strategic heavy lift aircraft. They cant sustain ongoing operations.
Their latest Type 93 Shang class nuclear attack sub is equivalent to thr USN Sturgon Class (late 1960's tech). China is significantly lacking in ASW capabilities
Russia please despite Putin's desire to modernise its military it is still stuck in Cold War. Russian arsenal laced with deep structural problems. Aging equipment and lack of upkeep Resulting in increasingly expensive maintenance. Severely weakened by 20 years of neglect post-Cold War Aging vessels, increasing lower training levels/standards, subpar maintenance
so NO
Russia, yes. Their military isn't barely a shadow of what it was during the cold war. It wouldn't really be much of a contest, though that actually makes it more dangerous: Knowing they couldn't win conventionally, the russians would be more likely to turn to something desperate like nukes.
China would be more of a fair fight but I suspect we could beat them too.
>>708696342
russia has more advanced nukes, and more advances anti missile/anti aircraft capabilities
>>708698281
I'm sure Adolf took that first girl to the right back to his dungeon.
>>708698617
for medical purposes of course. She screamed all night long as the soldiers lined up outside the mentioned dungeon.
>>708698255
>taking over entire cities
you mean sell drugs?
Trying to fight Asia? You mean just China and North Korea right? Hell Japan and South Korea could take care of that all by themselves but add the US and now China is strangled by a navy and their commerce is fucked. We wouldn't even have to lay a finger on them, just wait until their savings run dry.
And Russia, oh boy, the US could single handedly drive them back to Siberia within a matter of months
>>708696688
>align with mother russia, same culture, same backround and ideals/morals
>or align with globalist sacks of shit which have been cucking europe countries for decades now (greece etc)
it'll be like poland vs germany all over again.
>>708697957
Better than spreading your ass cheeks for Saudi Arabia and George Sorros
>>708696842
they, like korea, train all their citizens
forced enscription.
they are fucking massive, and you idiots undervalueing them is hilarious. look at the state europe is in after trying to steal their ukrainian shekels
>>708694871
A land fired missile wouldn't get within eyesight of a US carrier.
>>708698913
Lol youre assuming I support hillary? Cause I already said I didnt.
Besides Saudi Arabia isnt a threat to western hegemony. Russia actually is and the biggest one at that
>>708698202
there's three super powers, and one emerging.
none of which are european.
US-RUSKI-GINA and india in maybe 10-20 years
of the african union if that ever actually happens
eu is a fucking joke and falling apart bcus of corrupt and greedy fucks clearly destroying small states and trying to dictate sovereign nations legal systems
>>708699125
>USS Donald Cook
Inb5 that wasnt a carrier
>>708689675
I see what you did there
>>708695708
Yep
>>708699075
You mean like how massive the Russian infantry was in WW2. lmao they had the kd ratio of an autistic child playing call of duty
>>708686622
Cyber warfare? Strong possibility
Chemical warfare? Damn straight. Look at Agent Orange.
Biological warfare? Oh hell yes, Monsanto and bio companies could figure something out
Nuclear warfare? It's a toss up. Check out pic related for why
>>708698735
>what's the yen
they don't need the dollar.
>under estimating russia
what is wrong with you idiots?
>taking over entire cities
>you mean sell drugs?
i mean slaughtering towns and forcing them to pay taxes, literally taking over as if they were a sort of government.
has happened more than a couple times already.
>>708692828
Your logic is just about as sound as that guy's shield placement.
>>708686622
>Do Americans actually believe they could beat ChinaRussia in a war?
China would steamroll Russia in the first month of a World War breaking out.
America is impossible to invade, because our citizenry kills more people with guns than entire armies of nations do. Every street would be an outpost. Every neighborhood a fortress. Every building full of hostiles.
>>708699156
Nigga there's Trump and there's Hillary. I could give a fuck who you support. What I care about is a bunch of white Russians with nukes support Trump and a bunch of fucking Camel jockey snake eating sand niggers and an old jew support Hillary because she owes them favors.
>CTR faggot
>>708686622
Also, if we're so fucking psychotic to do a false flag on 9/11 and kill nearly 3000 people, you think we're not ballsy enough to start WW3 with Chyna and Cyka Blyat?
Muh carriers...
https://theaviationist.com/2015/03/05/us-aircraft-carrier-sunk-by-subs/
>>708686622
THEYVE ACTUALLY DONE STUDIES AND FOUND THAT THE USA COULD BEAT DOWN ALL OF THE WORLD IN AN ACTUAL WAR IF IT CAME DOWN TO IT.. LOCKHEED AND GRUNMAN WITH DARPA WOULD TAKE CARE OF THE OTHER PEOPLES NUKES..
IF YOU DONT BELIEVE IT LOOK IT UP.. USA WOULD CRUSH THE WORLD IN A 3RD WORLD WAR IF IT CAME DOWN TO IT..
sorry for the caps didnt see til i was done...
>>708699979
Wait until Trump wins and Obama needs to declare war so we don't transition away from Democrat rule because of martial law.
You'll see just how fucking insane and nonsensical America can be.
>>708699785
Im not saying they need a dollar. They wont be able to ship a single Ipod beyond a fully fortified US/Japan backed naval blockade. A wall of ships would strangle china, a wall so glorious, it would make trumps nipples lactate.
Also the US has twice the personnel size of Russia and a military budget more than 10 times as big, with better equipment, better training. The US has more than half of all the aircraft carriers in the world and more planes than the next largest air forces combined.
>>708699604
i mean every able bodied citizen has military training before they're even finished puberty.
meanwhile merikans are busy getting fat, cucked, and chimping out over some gangbanger being shot...
>>708699930
>Im a russian cuck, the post
the only reason putin wants trump in charge is because he knows trump will bend over backward for putin. Without the US to keep russia in check, putin is just going to expand its sphere of influence until it has enough proxy states to fight europe will little collateral damage. and after russia wins, its coming after the us. This is literally ww2. Stalin was a hitler cuck and look how badly they got stomped. Same with England and France in how they refused to sanction Germany for invading Czechoslovakia and then they got fucked
>>708696195
It doesn't matter if you effectively destroy the entirety of enemy industry while keeping your own intact.
It's like holding a midget at arms length and just punching him in the face.
>>708693936
Isn't this chart a bit misleading since it doesn't take into account the modernity of these arms. I've read that most of the Russians tanks were from the Soviet Era. Can anyone confirm?
>>708699833
wonder how effective your citizen army works against jets, drones and tanks...
most citizens would be slaughtered if they were deemed a threat, while the rest would bend over for fear of losing their own life against armoured vehicles and whatnot.
>>708686622
Do you understand MAD?
>>708700396
I cant tell if you are a putinshill or a slav.
Besides some poorly armed farmers are nothing against the worlds largest military, navy, and airforce. Hell most current russian tanks are from the cold war lmao
>Muh Navy versus one Swedish sub.
By mid summer of 2005 the Gotland arrived in San Diego and war games immediately commenced. Apparently the Navy got more than they were bargaining for when it came to finding and engaging the stealthy little sub. The Gotland virtually “sunk” many US nuclear fast attack subs, destoryers, frigates, cruisers and even made it into the ‘red zone’ beyond the last ring of anti-submarine defenses within a carrier strike group. Although it was rumored she got many simulated shots off on various US super-carriers, one large-scale training exercise in particular with the then brand new USS Ronald Reagan ended with the little sub making multiple attack runs on the super-carrier, before slithering away without ever being detected.
>>708701083
>wonder how effective your citizen army works against jets, drones and tanks...
Fortunately we have military for that.
The point of using jets, drones, and tanks, is when you're fighting an enemy who has nothing, like ISIS' strongholds out in the middle of fuckwhere.
The only reason to invade America would be to gain access to its infrastructure, which you can't gain access to if you blow it to hell.
It's all fine and dandy blowing the hell out of some Arab shithole. America is worth something.
>>708701228
Russian and Chinese subs are nowhere near as advanced
>>708700374
did you miss all those reports where china is building entire islands in the middle of the ocean, to prevent exactly what you claim to ever actually happen?
also all those ipod factories will quickly turn into military production sites, see how fast they produce chink shit? imagine them dedicating those resources toward landvehicles, and arms.
russia has forced enscription, so active personel ofc the US has more, but total ammount of people able to fight? the US and nato as a whole, is far outweighed.
also russian/chinese governments arne't forced to disclose their totals in military might, so they could very likely have dozens of submarines and countless aircraft we're all unaware of. then there's the fact that quickly fallen and annexed states would likely scede their military might to their new overlords...
>>708701492
not to ruskis or gina.
>>708701740
bullshit.
Russians are brutal conquerers. There hasn't ever been a war where the russians weren't brutal to conquered people. Guerrila warfare will bring them down from within. NATO will bring them down from without.
>>708702268
They got buttfucked in their war with japan
>>708690624
Just think about how much stuff China makes that they then sell to us. We are the grease that keeps their economy going. They can then use that money to buy gold (which they are stockpiling) and loan us money so we are indebted to them. We are very beneficial to China
>>708702268
how are you going to get people into russia? lol
abrams tanks aren't able to handle the terrain, russian AAs are the most advanced in the world.. russians even have better fighter jets.
>>708686622
sadly they do majority of people there are stupid as fuck at eat everything media feed them
>mfw they lost war vs some chin-chongs digging holes
>mfw the lost war vs sand niggers living in caves
>mfw they almost lost ww2 russian carryed them hard
>>708701740
Then the US would just go landhopping, taking one island at a time, just like the pacific theater. And then they would bomb the mainland with precision airstrikes and sea to land missiles. Except this time, Japan and South Korea would be in on the action.
Russias civilian army would simply be cannonfodder. Literally ww2 all over again and this time the US wouldnt provided the industrial resources and logistics to back them out.
>>708702180
Yeah the Russians and China don't want anything from America, that's why China's been working at stealing our shit for decades. Half their infrastructure works off of ours.
And Russia has nothing, they could use everything from clothing to books to fucking corn.
>>708686622
who the FUCK is chinarussia?
>>708689227
Haha
good luck murica vid relate let it be light
launching satellite
>no anti rocket shield can stop this proven FACT
>can reach murica
>can be armed with nuclear head
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MNPJLsiimk
>>708695595
Basically this, I live in the Appalachian mountains. I promise you a foreign army would get there shit pushed in just trying to cross.
>>708700872
>speculation
>>708703510
The US already has plenty of missile systems capable of delivering nuclear warheads across the globe.
>So by good luck murica
more like good luck world
>>708703717
Ironically the only part of Trumps political philosophy that I agree with is his geopolitical realism. War with Russia is inevitable and we'd best not be waiting with our dicks hanging out.
>>708703748
sure
>losing war vs sand niggers riding camels and shit
>losing war vs "love me long time" jungle niggers
>losing vs goat fuckers terrorists
>only war won is civil war (and 1 war that russia won for them)
KEK good luck bro russia and china are on this earth from a long time won many battles for they land no to mention they have a lot harder life then muricans
good luck winning a war with murica youth
Let's just put it into scale
Army
Navy
Air Force
Marines (the smallest branch)
US Marines are bigger than the UK Army, navy, & air force. Bigger than Isreal's armed forces.
Big Army there.
>>708704531
Except the last actual war the US was involved was WW2. Congress has since not declared war. If we were involved in a full scale war and fully committed, neither Russia nor China would stand a chance.
>>708702967
>Japan and South Korea would be in on the action.
would get steamrolled and overtaken quickly, drawing attention from the US if they want to take it back.. allowing ruskis to pwn EU without american benis protecting it.
there is no russian civi army, they are all trained and able to join the military since they are teens...
landhopping wont be possible because
a)china has missiles to wipe out ships from hundreds of miles away (and is literally building islands for extending their control over the sea)
b)china has better fighter jets
c) face it, south korea will get dicked so fucking fast by north korea it isn't funny.
they've been training for this battle for generations, meanwhile south korea has been brainwashed into getting cucked by PC liberal faggotry and by greedy plastic surgeons meanwhile building infrastructure for economic growth, which means literally nothing when it comes to military might.
Internet has made WW3 impossible.
It would be too big of a lie to force down people's throats.
>>708704802
>china has better jets
they make pretty decent electronics at least
>>708693460
>with murican supplies
TIL russians defeated the Third Reich because of dem spicy mcdonalds
>>708699785
Where? What 'cities'?
>>708702979
>has more natural resources required for modern military than any other nation on earth
and you think they have nothing?
hahahahahaha
>>708686622
It would decimate the world, no governments left intact.
Especially those that take refuge on an old oil rig off the coast of California, and in a military base near DC.
War. War never changes.
>>708704948
the f35 is a fucking joke
and the f22 can't even go toe to toe with the typhoon (which is just a copycat plane of SU35)
>>708705043
all i remember is it were border towns in texas.
no news updated the articles neither, was really sketchy, probably completely gave up the places after they were overrun.
>>708704802
except china doesnt have an advancdd enough radar to detect our jets, so even if they had better jets (they dont) there wouldnt be shit to shoot at.
not to mention with the militaries new integration system and the navies new attack and supply drone, carrier and missile destroyer effective distance are now extended outside chinas "carrier killer" bs missiles.
to add, china has like 1 j20, they arent planning to produce field ready versions until early 2020.
>>708703589
Cletus, your sisterwife and nephewson are hollering at you from ahtside. Better git em.
>>708704795
dude you are crazy if you really think that
you lost vietnam war
and russia carry ww2
you nuked japan from desperation because you would probably lose there 2
just pray that war vs russia never happen because you are fucked
>>708704882
Bro, it's happening right now as we speak. It's just not being talked about that much.
Russia has drawn it's red lines, distributed its armed forces among the Syrian forces. S300 and S400 anti-air are on on the ground.
As we speak, Russia's only aircraft carrier and its entourage are soon to be sailing between France and the UK on its way to Syria.
Watch the language of US politicians. Attacking Syrian gov forces will be the spark. Bro, I'm born in 1971. This is the closest we've been to ww3 in my lifetime.
Google search: "c.military 1" It's to a arabic fb page and youtube videos. Russian reporters in the middle of Allepo reporting.
>>708705521
>f35 is a joke
i se youve been reading yahoo news instead of reliable sources.
f35 has been shitting all over nay sayers, especially with their integration software bugs worked out.
>>708705813
This civil war is about dislocating Russia from the Med. It has nothing to do with the Syrian people or isis. The US is supporting terrorists.
>>708705741
fucked how? they dont have the means nor the logistics capable of invading the U.S. so please explain how it wouldnt just end up with a bunch of fucking deaths and then a cease fire?
>>708692490
>double the size of the us navy
Citation needed.
>>708686622
most Americans aren't even aware of what's really going on due to their media telling them old soviet times kool aid.
the most likely post war scenario would be all three countries glassed and the rest of the world slowly and painfully dying.
>>708692994
This. If Israel fights with us we are unstoppable. Israel has one of the most powerful militaries in the world and nobody wants to talk about it. They have like 9 LA class nuclear submarines. That's why nobody is fucking with them harder than throwing rocks and the occasional shooting.
>>708705700
>idiots actually believe this shit
dude some poor ass country in asia shot down a B2 bomber in the 90s with 60s era tech. you think a super power can't contend with your slow as dogshit f35?
chinese/russian fighters shit all over the f35 in dogfights
hell the f16 shits on the fucking f35 in dogfights.
only the typhoon/f22 can contest them.
you mean those drones which a desert country managed to steal midflight?
doesn't matter, they wont be able to launch any effective attacks against their carrier busters. cause russian AA systems are so danm effective.
a collaboration between china/russia would obviously mean them sharing their assets for key locations. (like keeping carriers away from being able to touch land)
>>708686622
You mean two countries whose best chances of winning a gun fight are the processing power of their computers?
Yeah. I'm sure America is really quaking in their boots about ching chong ping pong and boris drunkov.
>>708692490
>manpower
that they cant move, alot of good that is.
>tanks
arent shit anymore when you fuck it with a missile or bomb. which is why NATO has been focusing more on stealth tech and portable launchers.
>double size of U.S. Navy
nope, U.S. navy has more carriers than every country combined, NATO subs also shit all over russian and especially chinese subs.
>logistics
what logistics? all other militaries have such shit logistics that they cant project outside their borders. fucking France would have better logistics and they ran oit of bombs during a campaign.
there wont be any war, but seriously you faggots have no idea what youre talking about.
>>708706441
China/Russia - great on defence. Little offence. Little experience fighting recently.
USA: scary warmonger that decimates countries for freedom.
>>708690589
Japan actually got off easy in a lot of ways. While Hiroshima and Nagasaki were terrible, America was already laying waste to Japanese cities with conventional bombs. And if the Allies had been forced to invade, the kind of scorched earth tactics and strategies that the Japanese used would have ensured that Japan would have been burnt to the ground. Seriously, they were arming school children with awls and teaching civilians to run under tanks with explosives strapped to them. The Atomic bombs saved more lives than they took.
>>708692537
europe doesnt have enough missiles or bombs for small ass middle eastern countries, they have to buy reserves from the U.S. who stock piled that shit.
europe would actually fall economically first, then get fucked when they cant produce enough to fight back.
>>708705902
>can't even win a dogfight against f16
literally every pilot will tell you that's what it comes down too. their missile range is too short and they close in on eachother too quickly for their radar/cloaking to be of any real use against an actual fighter
then there's the fact that heat sensors can pickup and lockon any jet regardless...
>>708693936
>Not combining Israel and America together
Same fucking thing
>>708692994
I'm all for "Murica fuck yeah!" But let's not get ahead of ourselves here.
>>708706589
>there wont be any war
>>708705813
THIS - we're at the cusp.
Syria gets the East (Iran, Russia, China, Pakistan, etc) access to Europe, the richest, fattest economy on the planet.
Russia will not ever back down here, nor Iran. Their backs are against the wall here.
>>708686622
i don't think Americans believe anything.
yet they believe everything, if you catch my drift.
>>708695978
The closest in recent memory was Desert Storm I believe, except it was old T-51's against Abrams and Bradleys so not exactly a fair fight.
>>708706710
lol. yeah pretty much
any war without nukes between super powers would just be a bunch of dick waving, nothing real would happen.
maybe a couple claims on states being taken back, but a quick ceasefire would be inevitable.
>>708698581
got any actual proof to back that bullshit up with?
>>708707348
Well the did shoot down that Malaysian plane didn't they?
>>708688081
Navy, Airforce, none of that means shit in a nuclear war
>>708695578
This guy can't even spell Iraq right so how does he expect to be taken seriously in this argument.
The reality is this. We would not lose.
A1C reporting in. Can't disclose my job, but just say that what weapons I've see, we can take on just about anything.
with nukes.no one wins
without nukes
>just those two countries
>why not the rest of the world.
>U.S. wins WW3
true story
>>708707233
>be a bunch of dick waving, nothing real would happen
>>708705813
Every war simulation goes the same way. Once it starts, you can't put it back in the bag. It always escilates to ww3. Superpowers cannot directly skirmish.
In Syria, Russal (200%) will never back down. It is Russia's only (yes, the only one) Naval and now air force base outside of Russia.
Try bombing it "by mistake" and see what happens.
>>708688254
They have nuclear weapons, we have nuclear weapons, the russkies have nuclear weapons. Also Japan is a meme. Japan belongs to the US and in the event of war, it would be used as a buffer, like south korea
>>708706441
everything you just wrote is out dated horseshit. have you been living under a rock? go read up on current events and see what all has just been implemented and why the f35 doesnt need to dog fight, the navy drone that you obviously dont know shit about, because its not that tiny fucking thing that iran has.
>>708686622
We would slaughter them. The only chance would be for them to find a way to get nukes to our main land. They air and sea superiority in all out war would be way too much for them to overcome they'd never be able to leave the main land.
>>708707101
>there wont be any war
There won't. The amount of trade between the US and China is too much to risk. Russia maybe, if manlet putin gets jealous
If trump wins though, it could be anyone's guess
>>708701740
You are clearly a mouth breathing slav retard if you honestly think the RF has more man power to throw into a fight then the U.S.
Based on population ALONE the U.S. is at a 2 to 1 advantage. Add onto that the world's largest military budget, some of the best technology and all the other shit I dont feel like listing. Are you really that idiotic?
>>708686622
Most Americans don't want to go to war with Russia in the first place
>>708698581
>advanced nukes
Pft
Silly scud
>>708706797
>i dont know what im talking about, so ill just say things that sound plausible.
>missile range is too low.
should probably go read up on why yoire wrong.
>cant dogfight
should go read up on why thats irrelevent.
>heat sensors
yeah because russia wants to spend billions on developing their cell towers into a grid to detect planes, when they could just use heat sensors.
fuck youre retarded.
>>708707809
If Hillary wins there is a high chance within her tenure Russia goes ape shit. Maybe not all out war but they will be expanding and pressing in every way possible.
>>708707348
>nato is franctic and oh so worried about russian AAs being place all over the place
gee i wonder why...
also it's a well known fact by many ruskis have more nukes. do your own research im too lazy to direct you to places where you can find credible sources
I would like to point out that the US air force is the largest air force on the work
The second largest is the US Navy
>Where's the conflict?
>>708707528
the reality is
india and afreeeka and probably the middle east
would all emerge victorious.
>>708707444
Kek
>>708690589
Kekd and agreed
>>708708050
They are not expanding, the US and NATO is.
Imagine if the USSR decided to arm the IRA at the height of the troubles. Turning the UK into a bombed-out wreck.
That's what the US did in Syria by arming the "rebels."
Syria has always been a Russian client. Times are changing, Egypt has also come out in support of Syria's gov.
>>708708099
U.S. have enough nuke to destroy the world 75x over. anything more than that is just overkill.
>>708689079
Our Navy is god mode nigger. No one can fuck with the US on the water.
>>708708561
sweden has nasty sub tech though. fucker is stealthy as hell, so much so that we hire them for practice war games to get better at detecting subs.
>>708686622
If you take nukes off the table then we could lose a war to invade either country and destroy its command structure and military outright, but beyond that we couldn't lose. There is no way either could effect a legitimate invasion if they wanted.
>>708707704
ask any pilot how valuable dog fighting is, and if they're comfortable going against aircraft with better air to air capabilities once their payloads have run out and they have to rely on their cannons to survive... they can't even outrun modern russian aircraft if that happens.