Just write him in fam.
The stories and information posted here are artistic works of fiction and falsehood.
Only a fool would take anything posted here as fact.
Only a fool would take anything posted here as fact.
Just write him in fam.
>>708676791
no, he is a failure and a traitor
>>708676931
because he got played by the machine? okay.
That was my plan, but he asked me not to. I am voting for Dr. Jill Stein. Her platform is almost identical to his, just takes a harder stance against Israeli aggression.
>>708677335
I guess I'm not the only Bernie supporter going Jill.
I wanna fuck Jill.
>>708676791
might as well not vote tbh
not saying anything about Bernie or his supporters themselves but the outcome will be exactly this same whether or not people write him in or don't vote.
>>708677335
her website provides very little information on how she plans to enact any of her ideas
Bernie wouldnt know economics if someone hit him with a econ textbook. The dude is an imbecile
>>708677613
If anyone tells you a vote for third party candidates is anything but that, fuck them to death. If Dr. Stein gets just 5% of the national vote, the FEC will be forced to give matching funds to the Green Party in the next election cycle.
>>708677803
inb4 rigged election
>>708677828
That's my only problem with Stein--her pie-in-the-sky promises. It's like someone saying "elect me as class president, I'll give you recess all day and no homework!"
Sounds great, and you want everything she's offering, but she's given very little to us as far as how.
Johnson's not much better, but he's who I'm voting for.
>>708677828
Doesn't matter. We know she has no chance of winning. It's about breaking the duopoly. 5%. That's the goal, and it is very attainable.
>>708676791
I will
>>708678430
thanks fam
>>708678246
I wish he was Ron Paul, but he's not, so I will be voting for Jill Stein.
https://youtu.be/k3O01EfM5fU
>>708678353
This TBH. I really like Stein's ideas but she wouldn't make a great president, granted she's only the 4th worst candidate I've researched this election.
Kind of considering voting Johnson even though he's a huge dip. He's closer to that 5% goal.
>>708677335
You are shitting me right?
>>708680333
The end, where he compares all the candidates based on their biggest flaws, is honestly among the best endorsements of Stein I've ever heard.
>>708680426
Do it, /b/ro. Hillary already won. The only way to waste your vote is the stay home. Use it to make a statement, and maybe we can break the duopoly in our lifetimes.
>>708680628
What's that, shill? Are you going to present a real argument?
>>708680805
Yeah, and since I'm in a solid blue state the absolute biggest waste of a vote would be to Hillary. I want to vote Green to help hold Clinton's feet to the fire (here's this voting block that doesn't think you're as left as you say you are) but I want a third party to get that 5% more.
>>708677803
That's why third party. Fatalism and defeatism are for spineless bitches.
>>708676791
he's not registered in any of the states that require write-in candidates to be registered to count, as he pledged not to challenge Hillary. There aren't enough Electoral votes legitimately available for him to win.
It's literally impossible. Unless it's... RIGGED
>>708681149
Much love, hombre. Stay woke.
>>708681574
Time to stuff the ballots /b/
>>708677803
That's probably because she has no experience running anything
>>708677828
She's a wonderful figure and could do well as some kind of representative, but she does not adequately understand what it takes or means to be the president. It's true, she doesn't fully understand how she would enact her major policies. In various interviews and even on her website she keeps her answers vague, and I'm not sure if that's unintentional or not.
>>708682022
You're adorable, obvious troll, but I think you replied to the wrong post.
>>708681768
it'd have to be an inside job. 450 million votes for Bernie in a unanimous election still only nets him 49 EVs, tops.
>>708678246
I don't mean to shit talk your decisions, but Johnson doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about and cracks under the slightest pressure.
>>708682114
Same argument was made against the president elect. Moral fiber is more important than experience or ideas.
>>708677803
why. he has a right to voice his opinion.
I want Ben Stein to win.
>>708677613
I would bang her too, but not voting for her.
>>708682433
Truth, but Johnson aint gonna win this time (without a tie and a play by Paul Ryan) and he's taken too much shit this election to try again next election. If he gets the 5% then whoever gets the Libertarian nomination on the next cycle will stand a better chance. Granted libertarians have a habit of picking shitty Republicans instead of good Libertarians.
>>708682815
Lol'd.
>>708683334
Elizabeth Warren 2024.
>>708682658
I'm not saying morality is unimportant, but a president ought to understand how their decisions affect the nation, and I'm not entirely sure that Stein is to that standard. Don't get me wrong, I do agree with her on the majority of her ideas. But for me to back her, she really needs to make a specific plan of how to enact those ideas. That's just me. Hell maybe she is who we oughta elect, I dunno.
Please bros write him in so maybe I can get my tuition back I donated to his new cars and houses fund?
Bros? Bros?
>>708683812
She won't win anyway. She's not even on the ballot in all 50 states. It's about that 5%. That will guarantee 10 million dollars in election funds for the Green Party in 2020.
>>708684260
"$.005 has been added to your Paypal account." Thanks, shill.
Bump for great justice!
Well, I'm out. Thanks for a quality thread, OP. To all my /b/ros, vote your conscience and don't let anyone guilt or bully you into making a choice that is not your own.
Everyone's voting for Hillary. She's the only candidate that made it easy to vote from home.
>>708676791
As a Bernie supporter who voted Hillary...
Writing in Bernie is about as useful as writing in Elvis at this point.
Think about the CONSEQUENCES of your vote, and make it count.
>>708677613
>>708682836
You sure?
>>708687991
> implying clinton's supporters are as dumb as trump's
>>708687991
If there's no way you can win; cheat.
>>708688004
Says the sucker. Good luck with your 4 to 8 years of guilt and self loathing. I hope your draft number comes up first.
>>708688594
Like a Christian laughing at Muslims
>>708676791
Bernie sanders is a nigger. His ideas were shit, his platform was shit, and his followers were even worse.
>>708690262
p r o j e c t i n g
>>708690717
projecting what? I'm not even american. All of your current presidential candidates are what's wrong with your country.
>>708690262
Below average IQ detected.
Sanders v Jeb would have been fun
>>708690937
>All of yor current presidential candidates are what's wrong with your country.
So if four people suddenly didn't exist tomorrow, America would be a utopia.
>>708691000
>below average iq detected
>implying people who wanted to vote for Bernie sanders had higher intelligence
>>708691105
If four people were replaced with anyone else, it could be better than it is.
>>708677335
She's a moron, both 3rds are this election. Don't fucking bother.
>>708676791
Literally a cuck and a traitor.
>get robbed of a fair chance to be the Democratic candidate by Killary
>support her anyway
>even after evidence of how she fucked you in the ass comes to light
I'm so glad he lost, even though he lost for bullshit reasons he would have been the biggest cuck in the whitehouse since Lincoln.
>>708677335
Israel has no right to exist
kill yourself fuckboi
>>708677335
kike cum sucker
>>708691185
Nope, just saying you're stupid.
>>708677335
>I am voting for Dr. Jill Stein
>wasting your vote instead of voting for based Trump like Jill Stein asked you to.
>>708688594
implying it's not just a silly joke and not a broad judgment of character on a big part of the population
>wanting to vote for socialist who's been arrested
>being this autistic
VOTE STEIN
Who else is voting for Ben Stein? Anyone? Anyone?
clear eyes. it gets the red out.
>>708691359
My stated stance was pro-Palestinian, you colossal faglord.
>>708683806
Joking?
>>708691665
Stein has zero chance of winning and endorses Trump.
Are all third party supporters this stupid?
>>708691637
Better to be autistic than a potato, you fucking potato.
>>708677335
I'm Australian. Just googled her. We get absolutely flooded down here with Trump and Clinton news but I'd never heard of this person. I like her.
>>708692051
So you're saying you're an autist, right? Makes sense, only autists would try to vote in a 3rd party or Bernout.
>>708691476
>listening to an idiot
Stein obviously has no conviction
A FUCKING SOCIALIST
>>708692043
If you actually read the thread or knew jack shit about politics, you would know that Jill Stein's supporters are not expecting her to win. That's not even the goal. If any third party candidate gets just 5% of the vote, the FEC will be required to give them election funds equal to that given to the two major parties. Keep on being myopic and dumb. Also, kill yourself.
>>708677335
RADIO WAVES CAUSES AUTISM
>>708692544
>keep on being myopic and dumb
>after killing yourself
Third party supporters confirmed retarded.
>>708692302
Troll harder, kiddo.
>>708692656
GtFO, shill.
>>708691869
as was mine you cum shifter
>>708688685
What am I supposed to feel guilty for? Taking the decision to maximize the best results possible?
Sorry, but I'm not the kind of guy who wastes my money on the lottery. That's what a vote for Stein is - it'd be pretty nice if you won, but the odds are so miniscule given the system that you're better off investing in something worthwhile.
Hillary doesn't go as far as I would like. For instance, on the issue of the minimum wage, she'd like to raise it to 12 federally, and encourage local and state govts to raise it to 15. That's not as far as I want, but she does actually want to RAISE wages.
The only other realistic outcome is Trump, who is on the record saying that he thinks wages are too high.
So given the two realistic outcomes, which should I invest in? I voted for Hillary.
>>708692656
Says the fool who was tricked into believing that Trump is a Republican.
I was going to vote Trump but not anymore. I won't vote Hillary either. Maybe I will write in Bernie.
>>708693059
>not voting for Trump BECAUSE he's not a republican
I was a democrat before this election.
I'm just saying you're wasting your vote when you vote green or libertarian this election.
>>708693129
>implying Bernie's not Hillary's sissy little cuck.
>>708676791
seriously, if more people write him in than vote for clinton, trump, johnson, and stein, we well achieve max lulz.
>>708692947
No, your stance was simply anti-Israeli. Not knowing the difference is why you are dumb. Well, that and the fact that you're a racist.
>>708693345
Isn't that a CTR engagement script point?
THat we're all losers.
Meanwhile I'm not going to jail anytime soon unlike a certain presidential candidate who's name rhymes with Smillary
>>708693437
israeli isnt a race.
>>708693198
Bernie's a grown-up who doesn't think in terms of the permanently adolescent sexual insecurities of 4chan and Trump supporters.
Bernie is interested in maximizing the good for American workers and the middle class. Given the options on the board, Hillary is clearly the best choice.
Trump is in favor of cutting taxes on the rich, while at the same time blowing a massive hole in the budget spending even more money on the military and his absurd deportation/wall plans that would cost a fucking fortune.
>>708692997
Selling out your values and allowing Hillary to start World War 3, continue mass incarceration, prosecute whistleblowers, and basically being the antithesis of everything Bernie stood for. But keep telling yourself you had no choice, because it was up to you to stop Trump. Who was Hillary's biggest fan less than ten years ago. Congratulations. You were duped. Sucker.
>>708693830
A grown up who got paid off to keep his mouth shut about what Hillary did to him. He's a fucking cuck. Even Hillary would make a better president than him, at least she doesn't bend over and whore herself out openly. SHe has the good sense to do it behind closed doors.
>>708693198
On the contrary. This is the best election EVER to vote third party. Trump and Hillary both have negative favorability ratings. And, as has been stated numerous times in this thread, the goal is not to win, but to garner 5% or greater of the electorate for the Green and Libertarian parties, guaranteeing them FEC funds in the next election. Read the thread. Your stupid is hanging out.
>>708693269
Too bad you're not old enough to vote.
>>708694550
>risking letting Hillary win so you can have legal weed
Fucking potheads.
There should be a piss test and a hair test to vote.
>>708693652
Hate to break it to you, but she will never go to prison. That's how the american system works.
>>708693345
Shill detected. Don't you have more than one talking point you're supposed to use?
>>708694701
> trump voter
Well we know who has an iq less than 80
>>708694861
Most of the refugees Hillary wants to let in?
>>708694701
Congratulations. You just made the dumbest comment in this entire thread. Give yourself a pat on the back and then eat an entire bag of dicks.
>>708694055
Starting WW3? Oh, please. Get your head out the shitter. Hillary is a lot of things, but she's not going to be significantly different from Obama or Bill Clinton on foreign policy. Trumpites are trying to argue that her no fly zone means WW3, except no fly zones have been instituted in many territories by the US.
Russia didn't go to war when Turkey shot down a Russian Sukhoi Su-24 in 2015. If you really think Putin is going to back off from a fight with Turkey and then attack the US, you don't understand foreign or defense policy.
On mass incarceration, she's been heavily influenced by Bernie Sanders and has campaigned against private prisons, prioritizing drug rehabilitation, going after violent offenders not people who possess drugs, reforming mandatory sentencing.
Trump flip-flopping is Trump being Trump. I know full well that Hillary is less than perfect, but I'm clear-eyed enough to see that there are two realistic options here.
You choose to waste your time on someone who has the same probability of winning the election as Elvis? Fine. If you think your principled stand which has NO EFFECT is worthwhile, you go right ahead.
One of two people will be elected President after Nov 9. I chose the best one of those two, in order to MAXIMIZE THE BEST POSSIBLE CONSEQUENCES.
>>708676791
that'd be dumb. no bernie bro will fall for that. you think they're as dumb as trump supporters? well, maybe but not quite as dumb
he lost fair and square and even he agrees with it.
there was cheating going on but it wasn't necessary. he lost anyway even witohut cheating.
>>708695392
>>708694055
the ww3 thing is just the new alt-right alex jones tactic. they're desperately trying to find the lever that will get trump in. but it isn't going to help. he's too far sunk
>>708676791
>>708695434
>he lost fair and square and even he agrees with it.
>there was cheating going on
This is some top-tier double think.
>>708695561
Too bad what really happened is he bent over and spread his crusty jewish buttcheeks for them dollar bills.
>>708695617
yes, let me work it out for you faggot
let's say they made it so bernie lost thousands and thousands of votes
he lost by millions so it doesn't matter
>>708695617
if they did nothing, he would have lost by slightly less than he did. this is from bernie's own mouth.
>>708694701
Where the fuck did he mention weed?
>>708695703
true. but wouldn't it'd been awesome if that had happened?
>>708695392
Read. The. Thread. Stupid. And if you really think Hillary has any plan to follow through on her stated appeasements the DNC wedged into the party platform to placate Bernie's low information supporters, you are all but hopeless.
>>708695710
It actually does matter because
A) it calls into question all the other votes, who's to say they didn't cheat more and not get caught
B) They should be disqualified from winning if they cheat. That goes for any election.
C) It shows the cheating party is a dirty fuck.
D) If the Cheatee is fine with being robbed, you should really wonder why.
>>708695784
There's literally no other reason to support third parties except "dude weed" especially this year.
>>708676791
It doesn't work like that.
>>708695617
Not OP, but it's pretty obvious that the DNC coordinated with Hillary's campaign staff, which is completely wrong - the DNC should be impartial.
However, that does not mean that the primary was "rigged" in the sense that the votes were somehow falsified or fradulent. Hillary won millions more votes because she had way more name recognition.
I think Bernie would have won if the media did a better job of presenting ideas and policies instead of focussing on Trump's scandals/ratings boosts. But as it is, I accept that Hillary won.
>>708676791
Why would people vote for Sellout Sanders? I mean yeah, if you're a cuck.. you would.
Me? I'm voting for our President Donald J Trump.
>>708696124
Pretty much this.
I'm not really with her, but I'll be fucking damned if I let a racist buffoon win.
>>708696023
You're a dumbass
>>708696124
If you're ok with media collusion and corruption in the DNC you're as big of a cuck as Bernie. If I was a Bernie supporter I'd be inconsolably furious not only with those that fucked him but at him for whoring himself out to Hillary.
>>708696297
You'd rather have a corrupt criminal steal elections and start world war 3. She just undermined your right to vote, no big deal. Dicatatorships can't be that bad, North Korea seems comfy.
Why would I write in the worst candidate possible?
>>708676791
Write-in votes are a vote for Trump, OP.
Don't be stupid. Sanders isn't on your ballot.
>>708696899
>Don't be stupid.
Never thought I'd agree with a CTR shill but you're right, supporting Bernie in any capacity at this point is the height of stupidity. He's jsut as bad as Hillary.
>>708696004
LMAO, butthurt Stein voters moaning about how ineffectual their ineffectual party is. The low information voters are the ones wasting their votes on Stein and Johnson in purposeless gestures. Keep gesturing to make yourself feel good while you achieve absolutely nothing.
Hillary may flip-flop on some issues like TPP. That doesn't mean she'll flip-flop on everything. You see, intelligent voters who are capable of grasping nuance can see these things. There are some things which are core to a person's politics and other things which are flexible. For example, she's not going to flip-flop on a woman's right to choose, or the expansion of healthcare, or oppose raising wages for the poorest workers. As far back as 2007, she's been talking about ending mass incarceration and attacking mandatory sentencing.
And no-one can rebut the point about Russia backing off from war against Turkey, even after Turkey shot down a Russian plane in 2015. What Russia is currently doing is posturing.
A simple no fly zone in Syria is not going to bring about WW3. It's going to cause Russia to say their operations are over or will be located elsewhere.
>>708676791
>>708677335
>/pol/ shills go into /b/ to try and convince liberals to throw their vote away
>/b/ tards aren't falling for it
That's okay, I've already convinced plenty of Retardlicans to vote for Gary Johnson like the good goy they are. ~
Eat a dick /pol/fags
>>708697099
>still believing Clinton pays faggots to troll on /b/
>>708697106
The second two will destroy this country.
Obamacare fucked over poor people and so will raising the minimum wage.
Let's say you make 12 dollars an hour shilling and someone else makes 8 dollars an hour doing actual work. You have 50% more money right?
Well guess what happens when the minimum wage goes up.
You both make 12 dollars an hour, so now your 12 dollars is worth 8, you moron.
>>708696023
the dnc cheated and they weren't running fag lord.
>>708696395
I'm not okay with DNC working with Hillary's campaign. I literally said it's completely wrong. The DNC should be reformed.
But it cannot be the thing I hang the election on, when the alternative is an idiot buffoon who opposes raising wages, who hires undocumented workers while claiming to be against them, who engages in racist and misogynistic rhetoric as second nature, who is fine with torture and internment camps and allowing Saudi Arabia to acquire nuclear weapons.
It's like complaining about the health hazard of a messy bedroom when you've got necrotizing fasciitis spreading over your arms. Priorities.
>>708697390
I refuse to believe there's anti meme SJWs on /b/. No, you're all shills. There may be a few genuine retards out there, but it's primarily shills.
![laughing-guy-closeup-close-up-portrait-hard-young-man-isolated-white-background-mask-included-32601242[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/3vgozfU.jpg "laughing-guy-closeup-close-up-portrait-hard-young-man-isolated-white-background-mask-included-32601242[1].jpg")
>>708697440
>Obamacare fucked over poor people
>and so will raising the minimum wage
trump's campaign manager just stepped away. he's fucked.
![stock-photo-tinfoil-hat-against-mass-media-184857140[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/FpYrm5K.jpg "stock-photo-tinfoil-hat-against-mass-media-184857140[1].jpg")
>>708697646
>but it's primarily shills.
>>708697626
>allowing Saudi Arabia to acquire nuclear weapons.
That's literally Hillary. Should be a sitcom.
Also why are we pretending Trump is racist and an idiot? Where's your evidence of that?
Because there's evidence of Hillary being a criminal, literally.
People keep going on about how third party votes and write-ins are a waste, but ya know, if all those faggots would stop talking about how it's a waste and actually do such things instead...maybe it wouldn't be...it's only a waste because you fucking keep voting based on only two parties like a brainwashed faggot.
Probably voting for Stein, myself.
>>708697825
>durr prove Trumpza racist
don't you faggots ever get tired of living in denial?
>>708676791
I'm writing in Bernie Sanders when I vote
>>708697849
except they both suck almost as bad as trump
>>708697677
Businesses that can't afford to pay for obamacoare can't have so many people working fulltime or else they'll pay fines. This makes them cut the hours of the people who need them the most.
I would talk about how Seattle and SeaTac have tried a 15 dollar min wage and how that's just raising prices and cost and living everywhere over there but you'd probably still think it's good.
>>708697925
nice samefagging
>>708676791
>But it cannot be the thing I hang the election on,
So you know she's literally a felon and this isn't such a big deal?
trump has ABSOLUTELY NO FRIENDS in washington. that should be a huge plus
>>708697925
>I'm voting for Trump
fixed
>>708697890
A claim made without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.
Hillary meanwhile pays people to start riots that at trump ralleys that could have killed people.
>>708697982
no moron if you can't afford a cost in a business you don't shut down, you pass that cost to your customers. that's what you do whether you can afford the cost or not, fuckhead. if you have no clue about running a business, why pretend? you just sound really dumb
>>708697982
>durr I haz a cool story about business
cool story bro
>I would talk
but you'd never prove it
Seattle is booming with the wage increase
>>708697982
yes, when people make more money the cost of living goes up. that's inevitable.
>>708698117
>>durr I haz a cool story about business
>cool story bro
not an argument shillbot.
>>708697440
LOL. Obamacare increased the number of poor people who have medical insurance... yeah, I'm sure the country was just devastated by it.
Every single time someone proposes raising the minimum wage in any country, right-wing asswipes produce this same tired argument.
What you fucking boneheads never seem to grasp is that when lots of poor people have extra money from higher wages... guess what happens? The economy is stimulated.
Unlike rich people who tend to hoard their wealth (see the Panama Papers), poor people spend in the economy. This creates demand, which creates more businesses, creates jobs, etc.
"The minimum wage will destroy us all" lie is the zombie of political lies. It pops up in every country that goes on to implement it, and it almost never correlates with massive job losses. On the contrary, by putting money in the pockets of poor people, you grow the economy.
>>708698054
You've been briefed many times about Trump's racism. The question is why are you defensive?
I thought they were niggers. Spics. Mudslimes.
Not people getting their rights violated.
>>708698185
>calls anons shills
>thinks it's an "argument"
stupid Trumpfag
>>708697440
no idiot, shilling pays way more
i mean there is no shilling
>>708677335
>vaccines cause autism
fuck off champ
itt: non-voting children don't realize write-in votes cannot receive electoral college votes.
Jill Stein is a fool
Johnson is flat out dumb
Hillary is your new leader, get over it.
>>708677887
Compelling argument man
>>708698117
maybe, but seattle is also a great little tech zone over there. that has helped
>>708698197
lol extra money doesn't mean shit when it has no value behind it.
Remember post ww2 germany? the wheelbarrels full of money. THat's the logical end point of raising the minimum wage over and over again. It does nothing to help the economy.
Meanwhile, trickle down economics works eveyr single time it's been used.
was gonna vote hillary but i didnt even know this jill stein was running. Why doesnt sanders tweet about her so we know who to vote for thats a much better choice than hillary?
>>708698347
YOU SHUT UP FAGGOT GODDAMMIT
>>708676791
Fuck this guy
>>708677887
Uh dude... He's Jewish... Economics is literally in his blood.
>>708698402
Because he's literally backup Hillary and always was.
>>708698382
Actually Seattle has more than just tech here
sorry faggot you tried to prove your stupid assertion by mentioning my home town
Enjoy being a faggot arguing for shit-tier wages
>>708698083
>you pass that cost to your customers.
>Prices go up cause of Obamacare
>Everybody has to pay more for their shit
>Wages aren't going up cause businesses are still mitigating costs from Obamacare
>Wages get force to increase
>Now business have to layoff or increase prices yet again.
It's a vicious cycle. It doesn't fix anything it just makes people feel good cause more money is good even if it becomes worth less and less.
>>708698150
No, it isn't, dumbass! If everyone can pay for the price of bread, does that automatically mean the price of bread goes up??
If there's sufficient competition in the economy, the price of bread can stay down.
And what's a good way of creating sufficient competition? By having more businesses. How do you create more businesses? Not by tax cuts on rich dudes, who'll just hoard their wealth in shell companies in Panama... but by raising the wages of poor people who then spend that money, thereby stimulating demand, creating more businesses to satisfy that demand, and growing the economy.
>>708698347
You mean Shills from /pol/ trying to convince democrats on /b/ to throw their vote away.
>>708698512
i'm not the moron you're argueing with faggot. i've been to seattle. i like it. but i make way more money here in new york city
>>708698551
anon simply isn't going to grasp that
they don't teach economics in 8th grade
>>708697963
There are literally no great candidates this time around. Hillary is shady as fuck, Trump is a fucking idiot with no political experience and is liable to get our country in a worse place globally. Stein can't seem to come up with plan for her shit, and Johnson doesn't exactly seem to be the brightest motherfucker on earth to be honest.
For the most part I agree with Stein's ideas, and while she might not be great at coming up with plans to carry them out, that's what she'll have a Cabinet and aides and her VP and all that for, is to help with that. Besides, rarely ever does a candidate actually get to carry out their plans that were made pre-election, because Congress is too busy being a bunch of partisan cockblockers to actually do anything useful 9/10 times. so yeah, it'd be nice if she'd elaborate, but no plan would happen anyways most likely...it's the most forgiveable downside to any of the candidates in my book.
>>708698551
>the price of bread can stay down.
Why would it?
Let's say you're a bread mogol. Everyone can afford your bread. It's dirt cheap.
Meanwhile you're paying your workers more than ever and spending more on their insurance than ever before.
What happens?
YOu raise the price of your bread of course.
or you lower the cost of making your bread.
You either get over priced bread or shitty bread.
>>708698529
yeah that's how shit works. it's called the economy. sorry i had to wake you up to how it all works.
costs can go up for any number of reasons genius. and they do.
smart businessmen don't just swallow a new cost.
>>708698614
Good for you. New York, like the rest of the country, is going to have a $15 minimum wage by 2020.
>>708698778
>tanking the economy is how the economy works
Literally the dumbest thing I've ever read.
>>708698663
i'm for hillary i agree with most of her policies and i don't believe the nonsense right wing propaganda. on the other hand i agree with hardly any of trump's but i also don't believe the propaganda about him.
plus his dumbly admitting to sexual assault, wasn't even propaganda and no one knew about it until that moment of the tape leak.
>>708698778
And what do you do when the dollar's value gets so low it can't buy anything that isn't made in this country?
Having 20 dollars worth 20 dollars is better than have 200 worth 10.
>>708698808
that's nice. i've never made anywhere near that shit tier pay in this city, thankfully.
Not a fucking chance.
>>708698983
so what you want a freeze on all costs? because health costs is not the only thing that changes fag lord
>>708698939
So you agree with Hillary's public policies, do you agree with her private policies? Do you agree with her taking 25 million from people who throw gays off buildings and fun terrorism?
Also kissing and feeling up women who let you kiss and feel them up is not sexual assault you weak minded sheep.
>>708677613
If you heard her album she fronted for, you'd want her to blow you instead.
>>708698892
you think the only cost that changes is health care? you're stupid. and you'll never have your own business so it won't matter how dumb you are. don't worry.
>>708699112
>implying the gold standard wasn't baller as fuck
>>708699166
i agree with free trade and open borders eventually yes. i'm ok with immigrants too. i'm not afraid of them.
>>708698383
>trickle down economics works eveyr single time
>Using this argument in 2016. KEKKKK
Increasing the minimum wage does not result in devaluation of currency unless you massively hike it. There are empirical analyses of the effects of raising the minimum wage.
Raising the minimum wage causes lots of spending, which causes businesses to grow, creates more jobs. Educate yourself.
Trickle down economics is a failure for the middle and working class, because rich people who get tax cuts DON'T go and use their massive billions in wealth. They HOARD. Are you totally oblivious to the huge fortunes tucked away in Panama and other tax havens? That money isn't doing shit.
>>708699221
Almost no one will be able to start a business when everyone is effectively being paid minimum wage you silly little person.
>>708699286
Are you ignorant of the problems Europe has been having with unchecked immigration?
I'd like open borders too if there weren't cultures in the world that think rape is hunky dory and think shariah law trumps democracy and freedom of choice.
>>708699112
No, I want the dollar to stop inflating so we can actually stay competitive with other countries.
>>708698551
the costs of things is, barring any overhead costs like transportation, is what people can and will pay for it. a billionaire won't spend a thousand dollars on a loaf of bread.
>>708699367
of course they will idiot. nothing changes. at one point everyone was getting paid $1 a day. businesses are still around faggot
>>708699362
>tucked away in Panama and other tax havens?
That's because we tax the wealthy more than any other country in the world. It's called brain drain.
Maybe you should educate yourself.
Ask yourself this, if raising the minimum wage infinitely works, then why aren't we all comfy as fuck?
>>708699582
you have no clue what you're talking about idiot. go educate yourself
>>708699704
You don't understand how money works so I'm going to say one more thing and give up on you.
1 dollar a day used to be able to buy more than 10 dollars can buy today.
This is the result of throwing money around wihtout any value.
>>708699866
so are there no longer any businesses around like you claimed will happen? fucking idiot
>>708678508
I gotchu homie.
>>708698766
>Why would it?
I literally just explained, dumbass.
COMPETITION.
1) If lots of bakers are selling bread
2) and everyone can afford to buy it
3) and some bread mogul decides to raise the price of bread he sells,
4) people will start buying from the cheaper store instead of buying from the bread mogul.
That's how competition works to keep prices down. Jesus Christ, this is Economics 101.
>>708699991
small businesses are struggling to break even, jobs are leaving the country, and the middle class has been all but eliminated.
Once again, you have no idea how money works and you should probably hang yourself with a belt.
>>708699765
The world doesn't run on one single dollar. Prices going up for things makes the value of currency go down. If you want to buy things from other countries, they WILL take into account the value of the money you're using. This will make import goods not only increase in price alongside our goods, but they'll increase in price at a higher rate to the point where import items will be rich luxuries.
>>708699166
This ain't the guy you were responding to before
>>708698939
I don't have too much problem with Hillary's policies, I just like Stein's better. As for propaganda, yeah always good to take things with a grain of salt, but someone in antoher thread a week or two ago made mention of how bad it'll be if Trump wins and keeps spouting off about Mexicans and women like he does...right now it's bad enough that it's public, but at least it's in america with no real consequence...it'll lose his seat at the diplomatic table if he gets elected.
>>708700180
wrong, businesses have just shifted. there are whole new huge masses of tech startups, for example. you're just dumb
>>708700141
Except it's not how it works at all. Go to any grocery store and you'll see a bunch of off brand bread. Then you'll see your higher tier breads. Finally, in the deli, you'll have your fancy pants bread.
The cheap and mid tier breads are shit. Not even real bread.
The real bread costs a fortune.
This is why we have what they call "food deserts" where you can buy groceries and get nothing of value because everything is made as cheaply as possible.
>>708676791
fuck no, I'm voting for Gary Johnson. If MMJ wasn't up for a vote in my state I wouldn't bother going to the polls. This is the shittiest presidential election in my lifetime. America can't die quick enough
>>708699166
they don't let him assault them, they let him get away with it. there's a big difference. and now 16 women are no longer letting him get away with. you think it's only been 16/ fuck no. there's a ton more of them
who cares about where her foundation gets money from. i don't.
>>708699618
Yes, and "what people can and will pay for it" ALSO factors into account competition.
When you have a monopoly, a seller can choose to raise prices as they please. And if it's something you desperately need, you just have to suck it up.
But the more competition there is, the less power sellers have to raise prices, because someone else will undercut them while still making a decent profit.
>>708700589
>America can't die quick enough
Kill yourself faggot.
>>708700653
yes but if they all have the same cost, like health care is, they all have to suffer that cost and pass it on and so the overall competition doesn't change.
>>708700612
Faggot
>>708700612
>they let him get away with it.
Not what he said.
>and now 16 women are no longer letting him get away with
With zero evidence after decades of silence right during his election against an infamously corrupt candidate. If you think Trump's a sex offender you're literally retarded.
If you think Trump's a sex offender and don't know or care that Hillary Clinton helped Bill Clinton sexually assualt women you're literally retarded and a hypocrite.
Also funding terrorism>sexual assault as far as evil goes, you retard.
>>708700576
Trump's bitch doesn't need no BBC, she's already got one. Bitch looks like a mulatto tranny
>>708700984
hahaha you're projecting
>>708700984
Shill detected.
let me explain.
You're projecting. That's clearly a beautiful woman, unlike Obama's shemale wife.
>>708701114
>>708701113
great minds nigger
Unless you live in Pennsylvania, New Jersey, Vermont, Rhode Island, New Hampshire, Iowa, or Oregon your vote will be discarded since he's not an official write-in candidate.
>>708699718
WTF? The most taxed country in the world? Can't tell if Trump or troll.
Brain drain has to do with the most talented people in the world leaving one country to come to another. And America ATTRACTS those people. You have no idea what you're talking about.
I haven't said raising the minimum wage infinitely works. It's an absurd concept that you think is somehow a valid representation of my views, but it's just a strawman. To raise the minimum wage infinitely requires infinite wealth.
I'm talking about raising the minimum wage to a living wage that lifts people working a full week out of poverty.
>>708700984
>>708701113
>>708701114
tell that to those nigger lips
>>708701249
You, sir, are my nigger twin except we're both probably white since we can read.
>>708700928
they came out 2 days after the tape was leaked of him bragging about getting away with sexual assault. it's really not that hard to understand.
and more are coming.
>>708701451
>>708701368
>To raise the minimum wage infinitely requires infinite wealth.
Not true. When you raise the minimum wage what your'e really doing is lowering everyone's wage except for those who make the minimum.
Their pay stays the same.
Ignore the number of papers and focus on the value.
For instance, if you raised the minimum wage to 1 billion dollars as an extreme example, who's rich?
>>708701385
>>708701113
>>708701114
>>708701415
>So cucked they're defending the alpha male's wife from anons.
>>708676791
>fam
Nope. Not gonna for someone who says fam.
>>708701672
such a cum guzzling faggot that he can't even see a woman as attractive
>>708701512
Neat, they can keep coming no one cares because they have no evidence.
Unlike Hillary's actual crimes that the MSM won't report on properly.
>>708697626
And yet, only one candidate is accepting campaign funds from state sponsors of terror, including Saudi Arabia. Google the phrase "Trump praises Hillary" and you will discover that The Donald was a Democrat until 2008. He was actually MORE progressive than Hillary until Obama won the nomination. He is the biggest shill of all, and has done, and continues to do, everything on his power to ensure Hillary is elected. He played the Republican Party for suckers, and now the two of them are doing the same to the rest of you. Neither one of them has any intention of following up on a single thing they've said.
>>708701845
This
>>708700503
FFS, I'm not saying that there's no such thing as fancy bread. Of course there are luxury items as well as ordinary supermarket goods.
I'm saying that despite the fact that virtually everyone can pay for bread, the cost of bread that the majority of people buy does NOT automatically rise.
Because while a store might want to raise prices to increase profits, they're aware that another store might undercut them.
Getting tired of explaining basic economic ideas...
>>708696576
>implying that Trump could potentially offer any circumstance I'd prefer
I'll vote for Hillary and not get cucked by Putin.
>>708702091
I'll never understand these CTR faggot and how much they want war...
>>708701845
yeah see people do care though. smart, rational people don't want a president who openly admits to sexual assault and then has a dozen accusers. yeah people do care. you don't, but most people do. and the polls clearly show it.
>>708701960
>Because while a store might want to raise prices to increase profits, they're aware that another store might undercut them.
To add on to his point. If they are stupid enough to do this, it's up to the consumer to make the informed decision to get the bread at better value.
Only thing that ruins this is when competition gets stifled by regulation making it harder and harder for businesses to startup. And before you give bullshit on businesses that have succeeded, think of all the ones that fell flat on their face.
>>708702091
A vote for Hillary is a vote for getting cucked by the media, the corrupt establishment, and worst of all, the sjws.
>>708702248
shilling this hard for the alt-right alex jones crowd. fuck off
russia is nothing to be afraid of
>>708697849
All of my this. As an intuitive anon stated earlier in this thread, unless you live in one of the very few swing states, your vote for either major party means diddly shit. The only way to really make sure your vote is worthless is to fearfully throw it to Clinton.
>>708702281
>smart, rational people
>people more upset about consensual pussy grabbing than treason and racketeering
Yeah no.
>>708702449
yeah see one sexual assault, is actually admitted to on tape and has plenty of accusers and the other is nothing more than right wing propaganda.
so yeah a lot of people can see through that noise.
>>708702359
I never said they were anything to be afraid of faggot.
I'm saying I don't support unnecessary war.
>>708702587
you're obviously afraid it will come to war. it won't
>>708697849
They'd just run the opinion on news networks and political comedy shows, which is, i'm almost certain, the primary source of this opinion.
>>708702551
Not admitted to on tape.
He said "they let you" which is consent.
If you want to talk about tapes, let's talk about Project Veritas. People working for Hillary are literally hiring crazy homeless people to start fights.
And unlike these trump allegations, they ARE admitting it and there is evidence.
>>708698024
Let's play 'Spot the Cowards'.
>>708702408
i think it's pretty obvious that we need to defeat trump as loudly and as soundly as possible to move forward. so yeah, i think voting third party is wasted this time even in a non-swing state.
>>708702300
>implying I'm not a sjw
Ready to rage harder?
I'm a public school teacher in a high-poverty area.
>>708676791
He would just hand it over to Hillary, he already was paid millions of dollars to endorse her. He's got 3 houses you know, takes a lot of money to upkeep that shit.
>>708702764
project veritas is made by the same guy who's been faking videos for years. that's why no one will touch it.
and yes, trump admitted to sexual assault. he said they let you get away with it, which some of them no longer are.
>>708698150
There hasn't been a federal minimum wage increase since George W. And yet, the cost of everything continues to increase. How do you explain this?
>>708702960
So you're a sjw?
I'm not raging, /b/ welcomes all forms of racism.
>>708702695
fuck I'm glad you got the crystal ball...
don't confuse fear for appreciating life. you fucking Hillary shills are such sanctimonious ass fuckers
>>708676791
>fam
kys
>>708702960
how are you enjoying being on welfare?
>>708701631
Tired of repeating myself... for the last time then.
You seem to believe it leads to devaluation, but this is simply empirically false. The minimum wage has been raised hundreds of times around the world - how many times has it led to devaluation?
Since no-one is proposing the minimum wage to 1 billion dollars, it's a ludicrous strawman. It's like me saying that raising the temperature in cold households might help people prosper, while you say "oh yeah, well, what if we turned the minimum temperature to 1 billion degrees?" That's NOT WHAT I'M ARGUING.
I've already said on this page that if you raise the minimum wage too high too fast it could have negative effects, but the empirical evidence from around the world shows that the fears that right-wingers come out with every time it's proposed are almost never realized.
That's because raising the mnimum wage causes all these poor workers with extra wealth to start spending more, which in turn creates more businesses, more jobs, more goods and services, more wealth.
By contrast, tax cuts on the wealthy simply allows people who are already living in luxury (NO MATTER WHERE THEY LIVE - as the Panama Papers showed) to hoard more of their wealth away. And that hoarded wealth does not go on to create more businesses, more jobs, more wealth, etc. Just the opposite, it provides security for a tiny minority, while the rest of the population struggles.
Trickle down economics is a dead, debunked theory.
I was planning to until I learnt that you can't write in candidates in California.
I'm voting for Jill Stein. There are some things about her I highly disagree with, but it is true. Her policies are closer to Bernie's than anyone.
I won't vote for Hillary because she doesn't seem to want to improve relations with Russia. I cannot support anyone who deliberately wants to make an enemy out of them.
>>708703002
If the video is fake, why'd they fire that faggot Foval or whatever his name is.
Why'd the old crusty bald guy step down?
This, wikileaks, and the corruption are what people are talking about.
Not fairy tales about a rich guy with a hot wife finger banging some random on an airplane 35 years ago with zero evidence behind it.
>>708703042
people are making more money now not just minimum wage. the jobs market has simply shifted. it's no longer factory based and it's not enough to simply be a white man any more.
blame it on the internet. working remotely. starting businesses is easier than ever. you can make and sell shit online these days without ever opening brick and mortor. you get some international sales now which was a lot harder pre-internet. you can make music and write books directly, cutting out the middle man decision makers.
it;s actually a good thing.
and it's not over. manufacturing will soon follow suit.
>>708698383
You are the funniest person in this thread. Congratulations.
Step out donald, l'm taking over this campaign.
>>708702248
>>708703395
>>708676931
you are a failure, trump is the false flag democrat traitor
>>708698402
He doesn't want to be added to Clinton's body count. Can't help anyone after you've "committed suicide".
>>708703395
oops wrong one
>>708703289
what can i tell you, people like someone who's admitted to sexual assault less than they believe propaganda.
>>708677613
>I wanna fuck Jill.
So much this. She's total qt gf material. Don't even care that she's 66.
>>708703547
The Clinton's dindu nuffin.
They's a good boy.
They's so good that when you make up stories about them you get so guilty feeling you kill yourself.
>>708696899
Votes only matter in 5 states, so unless you're in FL, OH, PA, NC, or VA whatever you do is political masturbation. Down ticket voting and initiatives are cool and all, but thats not this thread, is it?
>>708703639
i'm not best friends with ramsay bolton, ok? he said some nice things about me. if we had better relations with him, i'm just saying that might be a good thing.
>>708676791
>Love in New York
>Had to get approved for a write in last fall
>How is that legal
New York is the most corrupt developed state in the U.S.
>>708703708
not true. some of the red states are in play now thanks to trump. and pa is like a 12 point difference, hardly a swing state at this point.
>>708676791
Did your wife's son make you post this?
>>708703973
>>708703160
Working as a teacher is better than being in the military. I speak from experience.
>>708703297
>mortor
How can I take you seriously?
>>708699265
Yeah, it was great when there weren't 330,000,000 people in this country. It is no longer an option.
>>708704126
yes let typos convince you i'm wrong. live inside your delusions, who cares. i certainly don't.
>>708704126
>>mortor
one does not simply walk into mortor.
>>708676791
America isn't good enough to deserve Bernie, sadly. He would have made the best president we ever had, but we're full of retards.
>>708704126
it's still a welfare job.
you couldn't cut it in a competitive work environment, that's why you hide collecting your welfare check
I'm just gonna stay home and do nothing that day. Why? Cause what does it matter anymore?
I wish this planet would just get fucking annihilated by a meteor, aliens, anything and then it wouldn't fucking matter.
