I'm a male feminist. AMA
>>708668405
Were you neutered in your youth?
>>708668405
Chop your dick and balls off, then eat them and gag. Now you're a real feminist.
>>708668757
No.
>>708668837
This is not a question.
>>708668405
Fuck is going on in that pic?
I can't figure it.
>>708668405
Why do you believe everything coming out of your liberal arts professors and the msm?
>>708668985
I don't. And I don't have any liberal arts professors.
Are you in the good feminists or the tumblr men-hating feminists?
>>708668918
Girl has lifted shirt and bra, revealing massive boobs. Glad I could help.
>>708668843
oh, so it happened after you were an adult?
>>708668405
So I assume you're taking up the cause of helping women who actually need it, like in Africa and the Middle East where their rights are actually infringed upon, no?
Because in the western world, men and women are already equal, and thus the term "feminist" only serves to divide us. You should be an egalitarian or equalist who discusses the small tweaks needed on all sides to promote greater opportunity and fairness, not focus on the plight of women who are already well off.
>>708669160
You'd have to clarify. Obviously I don't hate men, since I am a man. I have very rarely come across feminists who hate men, though.
PKK type feminist or Tumblr feminist? pic related
>>708668405
hi Melinda
>>708669231
No.
>>708669160
>good feminist
sensible chuckle anon
>>708669186
What the hell is going on above the boobs tho? Those flesh flaps? They look like legs.
>>708668405
So what's the name of your girls bull
>>708669186
Why are you objectifying the woman in your image?
>>708669652
I think it's him, post-op
>>708669287
Yes, but equality is not exclusively about legal rights. It's a wider concept. I don't accept that equality has been reached in "the western world". Egalitarian and equalist are, in my view, just meaningless terms purported to replace feminism, and only used by opponents of equality.
To answer your question directly, yes I do support women in every country, including African and Middle Eastern ones.
>>708669508
I think he means like the 20s feminists there's no good feminist around anymore
>>708669396
so what the fuck happened to your balls?
>>708669579
It's the bra. It's somewhat skin colored.
>>708669634
I'm married, and she doesn't have one.
>>708669652
I'm not.
>>708669767
>>708669835
Nothing in particular. What did you have in mind?
>>708669835
probably just shrunk into tiny atoms due to the amount of female asses he kissed
>>708669949
Oh you're one of those guys who's in denial about there fetish
>>708670067
Nope, I'm just disagreeing with you. Welcome to the world outside your bubble.
>>708670134
No. But I humbly suggest you might have a cuckolding fetish.
This is very weak sauce so far, guys. Try harder maybe?
>>708670354
I'm a woman I can't have a cuck fetish
>>708670494
That's not true, and also irrelevant.
>>708670232
Explain how equality doesn't exist in the west. Here if you work hard you get rewarded. If you slack you face the consequences.
>>708668405
Are you into cock and ball torture?
>>708670667
You're just calling me a liar because you haven't spoken to a woman in years now go back to your nuggers
>>708669579
are you bychance retarded?
>>708671176
I could be, if that's your thing.
>>708671349
Can I turn this into a three way
>>708671027
you put you own gender on a high pedestal.
do you happen to be narcissistic by any chance?
>>708671349
>>708671424
i like where this is going
>>708670701
This is not a question, but fair enough. If reframed as a question, it has many possible answers.
While formal legal rights are (almost) equal in "the west", de facto rights are not. For example, belittling of women because of their gender is a major problem for those with professional careers. Women also face significantly more dangers in intimate relations, other than with their parents. Women face an incomparable threat of sexual violence and sexual assault.
Apart from this, on every layer of society women tend to get hit harder by financial realities and social problems. When you read in the news that, for example, black unemployment is such and such percent, it's higher than that for black women. When you read that the poverty rate is such and such, it's higher for women.
These are de facto inequalities which can't be found in the legal texts, leading less insightful people to believe they must not be real.
>>708670822
No.
>>708671446
I don't put my gender on high pedestal I just brought it up cause you claim to be a feminist but have never talked to any of us
>>708671027
I didn't call you a liar. I said that one of your statements was factually incorrect.
>>708671424
>>708671524
Make that four :^)
>>708671649
>>708671446
OP here. I am neither of these two idiots, just to be clear.
>>708671652
This conversation would be so much easier if you said which one
>>708671538
How do you feel about the fact that men get raped more than woman
>>708671780
The idea that women can't have a cuckolding fetish is incorrect. Sorry for being unclear, but I thought that was pretty obvious.
>>708668405
How is life as a skinny latte drinking cuck?
>>708671909
I've never seen a woman with a cuck fetish I just assumed it was specific to one gender
>>708671873
That is not a fact, so I don't feel any way about it. However, rape is equally terrible of a crime regardless of the victim's gender.
>>708671928
I'm not skinny. I take my coffee black. I don't have a cuckolding fetish. This question has already been answered.
>>708672072
Actually it is woman get sexually assaulted more but men get actually raped more
>>708669363
KOTAYO
>>708672210
You take it black just like your wife
>>708672058
Kinks and fetishes don't actually show as a visual manifestation. You would need to ask the person, and presumably gain their trust first.
>>708672313
Not even remotely true. You may provide a citation if you want to keep making this claim. I'll ignore the question until then.
>>708672376
I know that but I figured if it existed I would see it on the internet somewhere
>>708672370
Nope, my wife prefers chai latte.
>>708672514
Internet porn is mainly marketed for men.
>>708672210
>coffee black
>>708672539
>thinks the guy is still talking about coffee
whatever lets you sleep at night OP
>>708672493
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2449454/More-men-raped-US-women-including-prison-sexual-abuse.html
Yea I know daily mail blah blah blah
>>708668405
THIS
>>708668837
>YOU FUCKIN FAGGOT
kys
>>708672630
Fair enough
>>708672742
Do you honestly believe I don't understand your cringey cuckolding references?
>>708669767
Wow. Your a bitch. Equality has been reached already you imbecile. You cant make nature equal. Women will soon accept their rightful positions back at the side of their men where they belong.
>>708672935
>cringey
>>708668405
You can't be feminist if you're the oppressor, dumbass.
>>708668405
How do you feel knowing you've signed on to a religious cult of regressive leftists who want to subserviate men with their backwards ideologies and thought policing?
Do you feel like you are actually acomplishing anything here in the west by pretending you are fighting for "equality" by shutting down conversations with buzzwords like racism, sexism, transphobia, etc. when people who aren't indoctrinated are trying to keep freedom of speech alive by calling you out of your hypocritical bullshit?
>>708668405
Any demographic "pride" group always starts out calling for equality. After a long struggle, they get it. Then the group does not cease to exist, it becomes a supremacy movement.
The black pride, hispanic pride, and feminist movements have all became supremacy movements. And ironically the "white pride" groups are, strangely enough, fighting to get some balance and equality back for white males (and sometimes white women also).
Blacks and women get better education opportunity, grants/scholarships, better government aid (seriously, all it takes is checking the black ticker box for any government aid and it's given without question, try being a poor white wanting government aid), more job opportunity, and they're more protected under the law. Say what you will about police targeting blacks but every officer I know goes extra gentle on nigs and even turns a blind eye towards misdemeanors in nigger communities.
Wow, long tangent, that's what happens when I'm high.
Moral of this story is that I WOULD be a male feminist myself if it was simply a movement for female equality, but that was achieved in the 60s and 70s, now it's a female-supremacist movement.
>>708672935
Honestly? No, I don't. Your 'witty' comment just seemed like you were trying to comfort yourself is all.
What happens when there are no more men and cucks like you and bitches like your dumb wife have to keep a country functioning? Everyone knows that a mans job cannot be done by a woman.
>>708672744
Yeah, exactly. You seem to understand this is not a proper source. I knew you would link to this exact article, since it's the only somewhat mainstream article that has ever made this ridiculous claim.
I won't do a full breakdown right now, but I'll give you a few pointers.
- The article compares "rape" in free society to "sexual assault" in prisons, i.e. it starts off with an apples to oranges comparison which renders the entire article useless.
- It compares self-assessed data from prisons to reported rates of rape in free society, which is another apples to oranges comparison.
- The numbers given for inmates include both genders, i.e. not all those victims are men.
- Female inmates are actually more likely than men to be raped or sexual assaulted in prison, just like outside of prison.
- The math in the article is completely fucked even if all the statistics are taken at face value.
In other words, this myth is thoroughly debunked.
>>708673019
Not a question. But you might want to talk to a therapist.
>>708673070
Fair enough. I'd call myself a feminist ally if asked, but I rarely come across feminists who care much about that distinction.
>>708673852
So what your saying is prisoners aren't people I thought you were suppose to be the caring liberal
>>708673965
Why so they can tell me that 'females are capable of anything a man can do?'. Iv worked with bitches in the field in constructiont they are useless. They just want to wear a hardhat and say im a proud woman.
>>708673374
Absolutely incorrect. Black children are enormously disadvantaged when it comes to education, due to segregation which still exists.
Do you have a specific question?
>>708674074
Just call it what it is cuck
>>708673255
I don't think this is a serious question. Is it?
>>708674211
{Citation needed}
>>708673526
"Everyone knows" is not a proper argument.
>>708674211
Yeah but white people aren't instituting racism. There are no state or federal laws that are enforcing segregation anymore.
>>708674156
No, I didn't say anything remotely like that. How's your reading comprehension?
>>708674325
OP is just a dumb cuck all he will post is about his excuses for wearing a leash. Hes probably wearing those brimmed glasses as we speak.
>>708674457
Appernelty better than yours re read your post and realize how retarded you are
>>708674380
You didnt deny it so good job.
Alright I'm here wheres the filthy feminist cucks
>>708674325
http://www.citylab.com/housing/2015/05/the-stark-inequality-of-us-public-schools-mapped/393095/
http://www.urban.org/urban-wire/millions-black-students-attend-public-schools-are-highly-segregated-race-and-income
http://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2016/02/concentration-poverty-american-schools/471414/
This has been a well known fact for a long time.
>>708674293
I'm being absolutely serious. Feminism isn't a movement of equality. That was achieved decades ago, and it ceased once it accomplished it's task.
Feminism today, what is its goal? What you want isn't feasible, there is no centralized task it wants to complete because feminists can't agree with each other over ehat they ultimately want.
What exactly is happening in the west, today, that feminism can fix? What "inequalities" do women face here in the west that men do not experience? What laws are women denied over men? What opportunities do women not have access to that men do?
>>708674762
"Hey hey Jim come here look at what this mother fucker linked" "that's pretty funny Bob" "Jim he's serious" "really" "really" "HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA"
>>708669992
>>708674211
Lemme guess, you're a gated community white?
The simple reality of the matter is education is not an important thing to negroes, being smart academically makes you a loser among their numbers, or an "Uncle Tom".
Did you have any niggers at your public school? All they did is shout loud apish noises, the latest rap slang, and threaten and say things that would be considered sexual harassment among whites (but the bar is always set lower for them). They also consistently could barely read despite being in normal classes.
The average nig IQ worldwide is about 80 (this is worldwide numbers based on many studies), so it can't simply be called a failing of American education. In their own continent, the average is 60. 80 is an IQ, that in any other race, would be right on the verge of retardation. 60 is full potato.
And it says a lot that they never invented the wheel, domesticated an animal, refined metals, or did any farming until the white man brought them, kicking and screaming, out of the stone age. The best they could do on their own were invent pointy sticks, mud huts, and get most of their dietary needs from eating insects.
Some people are just born with an evolutinary disadvantage and the nig brain is simply that of a protohuman.
The only way a nig can function out of the stone age is either as a parasite or a beast of burden, they simply don't have the mental wattage to be any different.
Now there have been a few decent blacks throughout history but a far smaller ratio than with other races. And usually the decent blacks are not black at all but actually mixed race dark people, enough human genetics to overcome the homo erectus genes.
>>708674211
When i was in high school out of the top 25 in my class, 4 of them were black, and we only had 5 black guys in my senior class.
>>708674446
I view racism and sexism as products of society, in which people of all races and genders participate. It would be misleading to say that "white people create racism" or "men create sexism". Privilege exists because of various circumstances and historical coincidences, and society is not properly equipped to combat increasing inequalities. The institutions of racism and sexism are already in place. They don't necessarily need to be enforced anymore, although in certain respects they definitely are. For example, the shutting down of women's health clinics is a product of sexism.
>>708674841
These questions has already been answered earlier in the thread. I won't waste time answering the same question over and over.
>>708675044
Couldn't have said it better myself
/Thread
>>708674936
Why would you give the fictional people in your own story such stereotypical redneck names?
>>708668405
Why are you still alive?
>>708675330
They're not redneck names they're the most common males names
>>708668405
Why are you splitting the genders through claims of one getting it harder than the other?
Egalitarian is more for those who want actual gender equality, feminism is the self indulgence of "my gender needs more attention than yours!" - implying most feminists are female or males with identical mindsets.
Egalitarian:
believing in or based on the principle that all people are equal and deserve equal rights and opportunities.
Key word: all people
Feminism:
the advocacy of women's rights on the ground of the equality of the sexes.
Key word: Women's rights
Granted it hints towards it being on the grounds of equally throughout both sexes, it still strongly suggests it's only for females, and is shown throughout modern day feminism.
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I don't mind that you're a feminist, OP.. I just don't understand why you, and heck, everyone else can't consider that no matter what we should fight for equality without splitting the genders and having them identified as COMPLETELY different things, unless the problem is a tax on tampons or something like that. Then yes, it's still purely a woman's problem, but at the same time suits more so for egalitarians to handle, not feminists.
Honestly do what you want, the entire world has gone to shit either way.
>>708675044
I'll try to separate out your questions from the word salad and reply to each question individually.
- No, I don't live in a gated community. I am white, and live in an area with about 70-80% black or Middle Eastern population.
- Yes, I had "niggers" at my public school.
- IQ is not a scientific term. It's just a measurement of a certain type of thinking, which can be decreased or increased. I.e. someone with IQ 80 can practice and reach IQ 120. Therefore, it doesn't measure some kind of absolute level of intelligence. It measures a particular, narrow skill.
>>708675250
Yeah well you said "ask me anything" so I did. And then you say "I'm not answering your questions" because you know you have nothing but falsehoods and exagerations as your "evidence".
>>708675330
You have to keep in mind that's James and Robert. Two highly common names. Fuck, my first name is James. He just gave them fun nicknames.
>>708675427
Because I haven't died yet.
>>708675044
http://www.nature.com/ng/journal/v36/n11s/full/ng1435.html
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0960982205002095
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1369848613000460
http://science.sciencemag.org/content/298/5602/2381.full
http://www.nature.com/index.html?file=/ng/journal/v36/n11s/full/ng1455.html
http://www.pnas.org/content/94/9/4516.full
http://genome.cshlp.org/content/14/9/1679.full
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v526/n7571/full/nature15393.html
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/tan.12165/abstract
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2271140/
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0002929707610015
>>708675712
"Feminism: the advocacy of women's rights on the ground of the equality of the sexes."
Not sure where you got this definition from, but okay let's roll with it. As you can see, even your preferred definition states feminism as a fight for equality. Equality between A and B means that A and B are equal. It's logically impossible for A to be equal if B is not equal.
>>708675785
No, I explicitly said that I won't answer your question again since it has already been answered. Try to keep up, okay?
What's the point of modern feminism? What rights do men have that women don't in the US? What real problems do you see and how do you plan to solve any of them?
>>708675116
Yeah I agree with your points about men not being the only ones capable of sexism and white people aren't the only racists. You're arguing that there is institutional racism and sexism. The problem here is that you haven't named any current laws that enforce racism or sexism.
>>708675805
Okay, James. Nobody cares though.
>>708675757
Your claims about IQ is wrong, it's the speculation of a broad level of intelligence. Granted you can say that a mechanic is smarter than a scientists when the test is mechanic based, but IQ tests, real ones.. not dopey internet ones, are done by governments on a mass scale. They show too, 3rd world countries have low IQ, that's easily observable with the same said about 1st world countries and their "average IQ".
Either way OP, why come on to /b/, of all places and boast of your feminism, whilst being a male, and holding an AMA? You either must be out to annoy, or stupid and not understand the community on here. It's like me turning up to a school 90%+ black and claiming I'm a white supremacist and holding an AMA.
>>708675757
>- IQ is not a scientific term. It's just a measurement of a certain type of thinking, which can be decreased or increased. I.e. someone with IQ 80 can practice and reach IQ 120. Therefore, it doesn't measure some kind of absolute level of intelligence. It measures a particular, narrow skill.
IQ IS intelligence dude. It's your verbal/written ability in your native tongue, math ability, logic and problem solving.
I like how all pro-nig lefties like to say negroes just have a different type of intelligence.
They are simply stupid people, 2nd only to the australian aboriginal at the bottom of the IQ scale.
Now everyone knows negroes are better athletes and naturally more muscular and built, better dancers, etc. But that's not intelligence.
Sure, if the IQ tests had a dancing and basketball test, negroes would score better, but these tests measure intelligence, not athletic ability where the negroid does have an edge.
Please note that the lower protohumans were, in most cases, more physically built than we are. Also had less proportional cranial mass which correllates to lower intelligence in all primates.
Humans are no exceptions, smaller brains with less ridges mean lower cognitive abilities.
Intelligence is just not the nigger's strong suit. Everyone knows that. It's just a matter of how much mental gymnastics you're willing to do to justify with the false notion of equality.
>>708676308
You did though. Why else would you have asked that retarded question?
>>708676477
Correlation between brain or skull size and IQ is less than 0.3.
Modern humans do not genetically resemble any early humans.
>>708676096
>Not sure where you got this definition from,
You're either a troll or a VERY stupid feminist.
>pic related
and the definition strongly suggests and favours towards "women's rights", and as I've stated many a times.. is proven through the sheer observation of modern day feminism.
>Equality between A and B means that A and B are equal. It's logically impossible for A to be equal if B is not equal.
As fancy as it sounds, you're stating the obvious, correct?
Red cannot be blue because red is red and blue is blue. That's your argument in a nut shell.
>>708675838
Your just a smartass, snarky little bitch eh. You are the antithesis of what thousands of years of evolution have developed. If I had a son and he said the bullshit that you are spewing right now Id consider I had a daughter.
Guys like you are the reason that kids bully the twat. No man wants to associate with the faggot, but nowadays men have to put up with your sissy shit all day long.
So my question is, how does it feel to know that you dont belong to ANY group of people?
>>708676779
Evolution is not a guided process nor does it make organisms better in terms of traits humans consider desirable or good.
>>708668405
why feminism and not egalitarianism or humanism?
>>708676244
Racism is not the topic of the thread, so I won't promise to answer every question about racism in this thread.
I don't accept that institutional oppression and privilege only exist in the written law. I have already discussed the concept of de facto rights previously in the thread.
However, I did give one example of sexism apparent through legal action, in that women's health clinics are targeted with lies about their practices, fake videos meant to fear-monger, defunding, and ridiculous laws meant to shut down clinics who fail to meet arbitrary and irrelevant standards. We also have a significant chunk of people in the US today in favor of repealing Roe v Wade and the 19th amendment.
>>708669767
If you care about the women in the middle east when are you getting deployed anon? Go and fight over there and make a real difference instead of winging, as all feminists seem to do.
>>708676477
>>708676356
No, it really isn't. You are horribly misinformed.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligence_quotient
>>708676876
You ask for questions but you feel the need to respond to the statements. Good job you are doing exactly the opposite of what you said you were going to do.
It looks like the women mentality is rubbing off on you. Soon your going to be complaining that the cold ruins your hair and that you always need to speak to the manager.
>>708676683
Yes, I thought I was stating the obvious, but apparently it wasn't obvious to you, or you wouldn't believe that equality for women means inequality for men.
>>708677137
>Wikipedia is the source
Your argument is invalid. Anyone can go through a Wikipedia page and change it.
>>708676779
It's "you're"
>>708676779
Roasted
>>708677137
>No, it really isn't. You are horribly misinformed.
The bait has becoming painful, not only is it lazy and stupid, it's not even fun to bite at..
You've failed.
>has low IQ
>claims the average IQ of a country isn't somewhat of a reasonable measurement of individuals within that country.
Do you know how they get averages?
>>708677262
I'm not the anon your responded to.
>>708676876
>red herring level is over 9000
>>708677472
Consider it an open letter to male feminists
>>708677673
tl;dr version?
>>708677742
If you're too dumb to read some scientific papers you don't have the intelligence or authority to make scientific claims
>>708677301
>Yes, I thought I was stating the obvious,
Coming from the male feminist that doesn't even know the google definition of feminism..
>but apparently it wasn't obvious to you, or you wouldn't believe that equality for women means inequality for men.
Straw man much?
I did not state that feminism is for the inequality of men, rather it's for the pure equality of woman. Meaning it's splitting the genders and catering to only one side. They DO NOT care for male rights and that is honestly just the lowest thing you can do being a human being that claims they want to see equality.
I even compared it with egalitarianism, which states it's for ALL PEOPLE.. listen, OP.. you and your feminist friends probably laugh in hysterics over groups purely for men's rights, well you're just as equality laughable and stupid.
>>708669579
Underage spotted
>>708676898
Humanism and egalitarianism have different scopes and are compatible with feminism. I.e. it's not one or the other.
Egalitarianism is generally defined as equality for all people. This is all well and good, but it doesn't take into account that not all humans are considered "people" by all other humans. For example, when the US constitution spoke of equal rights, it didn't include equal rights for black men or women. In other words, claiming the label of egalitarian doesn't address the specific equality of genders, or any other specific equality. It's just a broad scope statement.
Humanism contrasts the value of humans and the ideas of critical thinking to deities and superstition. This has nothing to do with equality whatsoever.
are you gay?
MRA checking in
What's it like being a trap?
>>708677566
>>708677812
I didn't make any scientific claims, this is all I've said
And don't flatter yourself cunt, anyone above 11 could read the studies you've just posted, I'm asking you to encapsulate the reason why these studies support what you said into a few sentences.
>>708677078
Because I don't think war is a preferable solution to equality. I advocate for humane immigration laws and rights for undocumented and homeless people, including women. I also volunteer to help refugee women get established in the country.
Quick reminder: don't make assumptions about what random people on the internet do and don't do.
>>708677916
>Egalitarianism is generally defined as equality for all people. This is all well and good, but it doesn't take into account that not all humans are considered "people" by all other humans. For example, when the US constitution spoke of equal rights, it didn't include equal rights for black men or women. In other words, claiming the label of egalitarian doesn't address the specific equality of genders, or any other specific equality. It's just a broad scope statement.
I would break this done bit by bit and show how retarded you are, but I've done that enough. Also, stop the crazy levels of bullshit you salty feminist.
>>708668985
It's ironic because you believe everything you read in memes and on 4chan.
>>708678108
I didn't make any claims. I just posted the links. The data should speak for itself.
>>708677342
Wikipedia has citations. Don't be lazy. Check the citations.
>>708678235
>I didn't make any claims. I just posted the links. The data should speak for itself.
This.
OP, the data is there and you just need to go read it for yourself. This guy clearly reads it, unlike you incapable of reading THE GOOGLE DEFINITION of feminism.
>>708677916
>For example, when the US constitution spoke of equal rights, it didn't include equal rights for black men or women.
Are you actually handicapped?
You either made that up or you're still clinging to shit that happened like 100 years ago or something.
>>708677435
Average IQ is a measurement of average IQ. It's not a measurement of inherent intelligence, and it never has been, never will be.
>>708676642
There's a very interesting cognitive dissonance in the, currently very liberal, school of anthropology. Anthropology used to be an honest science, starting with facts, and deducing theory upon it. Now they've all started with the fraudulent notion that all humans are equal, and they dismiss tests that do not say so (say they're culturally biased, don't measure real intelligence, etc) as fraudulent.
The truth of the matter is proportional brain mass and complexity of the ridges correlates to higher cognitive ability in all mammals, but *especially* primates and hominids.
Negroes have significantly smaller brains and fewer ridges than the other hominids. They're also the most 2nd most genetically divergent branch of hominids, 2nd only to the australian aboriginal (also a very low intelligence creature). It is believed that the negroes contain no neanderthal DNA (a very advanced hominid) like the rest of humanity, they also posess far more DNA of an unknown divergent homonid, likely homo erectus that had very negroid facial features and the characteristic small brain of a negro.
>>708678282
>Wikipedia has citations. Don't be lazy. Check the citations.
>Don't be lazy.
>Posts a Wikipedia page to prove his point
How stupid are you, OP?
>>708677262
You might want to consider the possibility that other anonymous users are responding in the thread.
>>708678413
>Average IQ is a measurement of average IQ
Yes, within a country.
>It's not a measurement of inherent intelligence, and it never has been, never will be.
I mean.. your arguments are so fucking bad, this has to be bait, just tell me it is..
>>708677823
Why would I assume that you're using a "google definition"? I think it's helpful to know which definition we're using, so that we don't talk past each other. Definitions for philosophical concepts are usually found in encyclopedias of philosophy.
You once again show that the obvious is not obvious to you. You say that feminism is "the pure equality of woman" and that this excludes "male rights". In other words, you're claiming that equality for A means inequality for B. This is nonsense.
>>708678195
I can't possibly respond to your criticism if you refuse to tell me what the criticism is.
>>708669579
That's a bra you dumbass
>>708668405
>I'm a male feminist. AMA
How would you define equality?
Would it be cutting a heavy box in half and giving one half to a 6ft male, with more muscle gained naturally with just being male, and then the other half to a 5ft 2 female that is half the mans weight..?
I just want to know what you consider equality as yes most things can be split equally but sometimes true equality is inequality done right.
>>708678394
The United States constitution "happened" way more than 100 years ago.
What is your question?
>>708678586
Are you going to actually get to a point soon?
>>708679060
The phrase you're looking for is
>equality is not equity
>>708674639
>Appernelty
>>708678427
You clearly have zero education and it's obvious because you're spouting gibberish.
The human brain is about 1500 cc with only about 100 cc in variance. Also, it's already been confirmed that brain size and IQ are not correlated. If that were true, whales would be the smartest creatures on the planet. They have the largest brains and highest brain to body mass ratios than any other organism.
Also "genetically divergent" doesn't mean anything. This claim of your is also garbage because you need thousands of samples to do population genetics, and we don't have that many samples of DNA from early hominids.
Also, humans have very little genetic diversity. We have about 1/10th of the genetic diversity of other apes. All humans alive today are more closely related to each other than different troops of chimps.
Also, intelligence is probably influenced by hundreds of genes. Humans do not differ enough genetically for a trait with that many contributing genes to be racially differentiated.
>>708678462
The person I replied to had a flawed understanding of the concept of IQ measurements. Wikipedia is a fairly reliable source for information about basic concepts. If you don't trust wikipedia, you may follow the citations and read those instead. I am not here to explain how IQ works.
>>708679435
Explain how a source where anyone can edit or alter any of the content on it is reliable. Also the references on the page could also be unreliable due to bias.
>>708679060
Equality in the scope of feminism includes, but is not limited to:
- equal legal rights
- equal opportunities
- equal treatment by peers
- equal treatment by society as a whole
- abolition of gender prejudice
- abolition of prescriptive gender roles
- equal social protection
- equal social expectations
And so on.
>>708679747
What kind of source would you consider immune to "bias"?
>>708677301
He never said that. Anyway, what feminists are trying to do nowadays is not achieve 'equality' as they so like to put it. Think of it this way - both genders are on opposing sides of a see-saw. Feminists are trying to get to a higher position than men rather than try to make it balanced. Society and its laws have already had a tendency to favor women since decades ago provided that these women deserve it. Why push things further to grab just a little more luxury or to get men to lick your boots? Hate speech and what not are just nonsense in my opinion. If something such as this is acceptable for one side, shouldn't it be the same for the other way round? With all these women insulting men to the extreme, it's surprising how the world has chosen to ignore the fact that the feminist movement is composed of hypocrites. They don't want equality. They want what makes them better than men. They want to exchange the roles that they imagined exist between the two genders. Don't tell me that the next thing you believe in is that there are more than two genders though.
>>708678852
>Why would I assume that you're using a "google definition"?
It's the most easily accessible definition and it's.. the definition for feminism?
>I think it's helpful to know which definition we're using, so that we don't talk past each other.
We are using the definition for feminism.
>Definitions for philosophical concepts are usually found in encyclopedias of philosophy.
OP.. just tell me this is bait. You're baiting me, right?
>You once again show that the obvious is not obvious to you.
Here we go again.. how?
>You say that feminism is "the pure equality of woman"
>pic related
women's rights
the women's movement
the feminist (female) movement
women's liberation
female emancipation
>and that this excludes "male rights".
Yes. It excludes "male rights" as it does not fight for them. It just hints towards how they will get rights for woman "on the ground of equality of the sexes".. which does not indicate in any way or form it's fighting for equality among both genders, rather purely for females.
>In other words, you're claiming that equality for A means inequality for B. This is nonsense.
No I didn't? Stop straw manning me, seriously, not only does it show how much of an idiot you are, it shows how bad your arguments are too.
(MY POST BEFORE)
>>708677823
Straw man much?
I did not state that feminism is for the inequality of men, rather it's for the pure equality of woman. Meaning it's splitting the genders and catering to only one side. They DO NOT care for male rights and that is honestly just the lowest thing you can do being a human being that claims they want to see equality.
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It feels like you've come straight from a class based around feminism..
>>708679360
Correct. Thanks for covering that one. The question was irrelevant to OP and I didn't want to waste my time with it.
>>708680093
What you're describing is not equality. Therefore it's irrelevant to the comment you've replied to. I also don't agree that feminists try to achieve female supremacy. I view this as a straw man.
>>708679360
>>708668405
>>708671538
>>708671446
>>708673852
Feels like I'm reading some shitty creationist apologist forum. This thread has given me enough pseudointellectual cringe for today.
>>708679816
The problem is that this is all superseded by problems with western culture.
Why is it not ok for men to judge women based on sex appeal and it's ok for women to judge men based on money or sex appeal?
The very point of western society is for people not to be equal. We are greedy and self centered and we think we deserve more and other people deserve less. We hate ourselves so we hate each other.
>>708680148
And feminists don't strawman? I've seen men get called sexist and mysoginists for disagreeing with a woman.
>>708680148
Why do you think referring to proper soruces is "bait"?
You've only repeated yourself in this comment. The definition you provided states that feminism seeks equality, yet you claim it's also unequal. This is logically impossible.
>>708680447
ok then, read the science.
>>708676045
>>708671538
And men are more likely to get physically assaulted and murdered. And men receive harsher prison sentences than women for the same crimes. So why support a movement that only seeks to resolve half of society's gender problems?
>>708680496
Fucking this. This is one of many reasons why people hate 3rd wave feminism.
>>708680496
"Why is it not ok for men to judge women based on sex appeal and it's ok for women to judge men based on money or sex appeal?"
Neither is okay as in terms of absolute judgement of the person's value. Both is okay within the proper context.
"The very point of western society is for people not to be equal."
I don't subscribe to this prescriptive society. I don't like inequality and I happen to live in a "western society", therefore I work toward equality.
>>708679816
>- equal legal rights
Does that mean they are fighting for male rights in the sense females have more legal rights in some areas than males? Or do they turn a blind eye and only concentrate on the rights females lack behind in?
>- equal opportunities
Explain further with " opportunities" that need to be equal among males and females. I'm sure this works on both sides of the fence too.
>- equal treatment by peers
What?
>- equal treatment by society as a whole
So would you say it should be sociably acceptable for a man to hit a woman which has hit them first? It's acceptable on the grounds of self defence for males to hit another male back, however shunned when a woman gets hit by a man.
>- abolition of gender prejudice
My heart hurts.
>- abolition of prescriptive gender roles
My heart has literally teared due to stupidity.
>- equal social protection
For males?
>- equal social expectations
Expectations are like opinions. Are you saying you're trying to change the thought process of everyone? Sounds dodgy..
>And so on.
So much talk about equality, but it's not really fighting for everyone to have equality, is it? Just females, and then a blind eye will be turned to what females have over men when it comes to things.
>>708668985
>Che Guevara t-shirt
>He killed hundreds of people
>"The negro is lazy -"etc.
>Everyone else is insensitive, racist and homophobic
Do these people actually have him as a symbol? Legit question.
>>708680845
"And men are more likely to get physically assaulted and murdered"
Yes, by other men. Men are also more likely to instigate situations which end up victimizing themselves. These are facts.
"And men receive harsher prison sentences than women for the same crimes."
This is somewhat correct, and a legitimate concern. What do you do to change this? Feminists work to dismantle the gender stereotypes that lead to male violence and the societal perception that men are more deserving of harsher prison sentences.
"So why support a movement that only seeks to resolve half of society's gender problems?"
I don't agree that this is a correct description of feminism.
>>708680365
Dude. Thick much? Notice I said the word hypocrite. Feminists say one thing but they do another. I admit that not all feminists are like this. However, the majority is and that still leaves us with a point. What we think is female supremacy is equality for them. Heck why should men have their salaries lower than women just because it's unfair? It seems absurd to me. Also, of course my comment was relevant. You were talking about equality. I said feminism is not what it seems to be.
>>708680561
>And feminists don't strawman? I've seen men get called sexist and mysoginists for disagreeing with a woman.
BAIT.
>>708680571
>Why do you think referring to proper soruces is "bait"?
You've only repeated yourself in this comment. The definition you provided states that feminism seeks equality, yet you claim it's also unequal. This is logically impossible.
BAIT
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OP, it's blatant bait now. Either that or you're an actual idiot. Read everything I said and stop putting words in my mouth.
Want me to get the definition of what a straw man is too?
Jeez, I really hope your special kind of retard dies out.
>>708681277
You're actually retarded.
>>708681312
OP is baiting people, do you not notice how you say one thing, and he says you said another which leans more in an extreme view that he can more so easily call out?
I'm actually hoping this is someone who hates feminism and is just striving on /b/ to make everyone else hate it through his idiotic thread.
>>708680888
Sorry but all the complaints from modern feminism are the same.
They want more money, more power, and freedom from judgement or insecurity. That's exactly what every self-centered person in a western society wants.
>>708681277
This is bait.
I have seen feminists say these things, though.
"Men victimise themselves"
Nice victim blaming.
>>708680984
"Does that mean they are fighting for male rights in the sense females have more legal rights in some areas than males?"
Yes.
"Explain further with "opportunities" that need to be equal among males and females."
Access to education (mostly resolved in the west), equal treatment in employment (not resolved), equal social pressure (not resolved).
"What?"
Which word is difficult to understand?
"So would you say it should be sociably acceptable for a man to hit a woman which has hit them first?"
It depends on many factors. The law allows any person to emply self-defence within reason. You may protect yourself from punches and you remove yourself from danger if possible. If this is not possible, you may neutralize the offender. You may not, for example, shoot a woman in the head in retaliation for punching your arm. This would be deemed unreasonable. This also takes into account the relative strength and capacity to inflict damage of the people involved. If you're a 250lbs man being attacked by a 120lbs woman who is not Holly Holm, you have the legal obligation to use proportional levels of violence in order to protect yourself. You may not punch the woman with full force in the face unless it's absolutely necessary. The same goes if the genders are reversed.
"For males?"
Equality for A does not mean inequality for B. You cannot have gender equality for only women or for only men. Equality means equality.
"Are you saying you're trying to change the thought process of everyone?"
I strive to educate people and remove prejudice. I can't directly change anyone's thought process, so you don't need to worry.
" it's not really fighting for everyone to have equality, is it? Just females"
Again, you can't have equality for A and inequality for B. It's a logical impossibility.
>>708682352
I've been calling bait this entire thread. Just read through it, he's a fucking retard.
I HOPE I got baited, because it's dangerous to have this level of retard roaming the earth.
>>708681312
You make claims but you don't provide any form of argument. I can't defend the imaginary people in your head. I can only comment on feminists who exist in real life.
>>708681885
This
>>708682447
I'm not reading that, OP. I'm done with your bait and everyone else is calling you out on your bullshit. You've gave me sloppy arguments, straw manned me and done other stupid retarded shit which just shows this must be a joke.
You've given a decent sized of text in this argument you've just posted, and that I'm not going to read but you don't even deserve a platform anymore. Some other anon can call you out on all this shit..
(I really hope you are baiting people OP, please don't be a real person with this level of retarded dangerous mindset)
>>708682528
This is all standard tumblr rhetoric.
>>708682897
>This is all standard tumblr rhetoric.
This.
Well good anons and faggoty OP, I need to take a shit and it's about time this thread was abandoned.
OP, if you're going to be a feminist, at least do it right. Don't be a retard..
OP here.
No, this is not bait. I'm not a /b/ regular, but I do browse the boards once in a while.
I am a male feminist, and I respond to your questions with my own opinions and, where approptiate, facts.
The purpose was to examine if the general understanding of feminism among /b/ regulars is really as shallow as it seems at first glance, or if some of the users would actually be able to pose intelligent questions and relevant criticisms. I am underwhelmed by the response. The bulk of the replies have been straw men, easily debunked myths, and irrelevant racist ramblings.
I am now signing off for the evening. Any further comments purporting to be OP, are not OP.
>>708683083
>do it right
>Don't be a retard
Choose one
>>708668405
How can you still be asking for proof when the whole thing is waving its she-dick all over your face?
>I can only comment on feminists who exist in real life.
Or rather, your friends and family. Not what is actually happening out there.
It's obvious at this point that you are either baiting me or just acting blind towards all the events that are taking place all over the world.
>>708668405
>The bulk of the replies have been straw men, easily debunked myths, and irrelevant racist ramblings.
Funny how you 'debunked' these myths with saying how each is irrelevant to your statement. I'm actually sad that this is the most that you feminists can do.
>>708684025
seriously, how is the iq of niggers relevant to feminism? I'm nota feminist but this comment is really stupid
>>708683340
Well said, Anon. Well said. Got me there.
>>708682285
projecting much?
>>708684534
>projecting much?
Only if he's a modern feminist?