God does not exist. If you believe there is a god then please kill yourself.
Literally just saved me.
>>706965651
at last I truly see
if you could switch from having a penis to a vagina but keeping the status and power of a man would you???
I am God.
>>706965651
God exist. If you believe there is no God then please seek him.
oh man thx i was about to suicide just now
OK I'm here in NZ I'm gonna wait 0 mins for god to appear, if he doesn't I'm going back to science and evidence based theory. FYI op clock is ticking
>>706967986
Annon here 10 mins not 0 want to be fair here
>>706965651
>>706967986
Shit brah still waiting, hey what's that? Na that is the cat.
God as portrayed in the established religions does not exist, but a grand intelligence behind and throughout the universe does.
>>706965651
no thank you
Things have finally been looking up for me. Wife just gave birth to my son and I was promoted , all in the last month. I was going to kill myself today, thanks op for saving me.
>>706965651
>Being this angry about what other people believe
>>706968800
His name is Bill Nye
>>706965651
Sry m8, but its not that hard.
>>706967986
Sorry op God nor Jesus appeared, I'll go back to my science and evidence based theory rather than fear based religious beliefs
proof it betch with your science
I don't give a shit.
sincerely, an atheist.
>>706965651
My wife believes in God, I don't. I don't want her or anyone else I love to kill themselves. So fuck you.
Suicide is a sin senpai
>>706968800
Dubs of truth
>>706967680
if u believe in it, u already found it. Question is: why would any1 look
>>706969797
Wow.
>>706968800
show me the peer-reviewed paper on intelligence existing without brain
>>706969116
>islamists did 9/11
>acted according to dogmas in their religion
>u went to war cuz u were so mad they believed different god in a different way
>>706969797
only solution is to convince her shes wrong
>>706965651
God is an alien.
>>706965651
why so much hate towards someone who believes? go your own way if you are so sure. seems as though you are trying to convince yourself.
>>706965651
>mfw i don't belive in god
I'd like to think i will never die and than there's a powerfull being who looks after me.
>>706965651
That's true. You don't have to create a thread about it though.
>>706965651
I'm not a body with a spirit; but a spirit with a body.
>>706970765
Dude it's basic biology
>>706965651
magic exists to serve man
>>706972603
so im sure its well documented. Im still w8ing for any document, though
>>706967680
>>706969686
>>706969797
>>706969794
>>706971214
Religion was our first attempt to explain our world and universe. Because it was our first attempt, it was our worst attempt.
>>706972603
But this isn't intelligence... It's biology... well explained in the field of the study of living systems... biology. Not intelligence.
>>706965651
Define god, never mind u summer fag
Odin is my God.
>>706965651
I died for 2 minutes and saw heaven. I urge you to please not condem yourself to an eternity of damnation.
>>706968800
Mmm. Interesting idea behind intelligence, consciousness as we understand it is not directly created by the human brain, more suspended by it's functions, like an acrobat on a tightrope. The tightrope allows the acrobat to perform, but the acrobat likely did not originate from the rope, and existed before and maybe after the performance. Until we understand what causes our human intelligence to manifest we can't unserstand the idea of a prevailing omnipotence throughout the universe.
>>706965651
this thread again (and again (and again (and again...
>>706972845
God is conceived of as the Supreme Being and principal object of faith. The concept of God as described by most theologians includes the attributes of omniscience (infinite knowledge), omnipotence (unlimited power), omnipresence (present everywhere), divine simplicity, and as having an eternal and necessary existence. Many theologians also describe God as being omnibenevolent (perfectly good), and all loving.
God was used to control people of the past and present but now we got science that can explain everything. The thing that called god never helps you but you were actually helping yourself till now.
>>706965651
There *may* be *a* god but...
1) It's certainly not *the* "god" of any existing religions.
2) It's, at best, an uncaring one.
>>706973015
since u r alive, u clearly didnt die
>>706965651
Dont tell me what to do u faggot. Who the fuck do you think you are you filthy piece of trailer trash shit?
The sun is the true god. If you do not praise it you will be sent to the abyss where it can no longer reach you
>>706973341
its the brain
>>706973597
The fact that you are mad, then the truth that i said is right.
>>706965651
I can't prove or disprove that god exists, but I'm fairly certain christianity was created for political gain. Everyone is inherently evil and will be damned to hell for eternity unless they accept and abide by the word of men claiming to speak for god. What a load of hose shit.
>>706973911
That is what i believe.
This is what op looks like irl
>>706973341
Human's brain is amazing. I know that we have the ability to think beyond our imagination.
>>706974530
dat paradox doe
>>706974320
Glad to have a very young look then i think that is a compliment. Should i say "thank you"?
>>706974942
No I'm sure that's not what was meant. I'm sure you're sure too.
>>706972767
i said prove it betch
>>706976277
You'll learn it by living your life and experience. Your mind is still young.
>>706976599
Sounds spooky
>>706973480
Science can't explain everything. It never will explain everything (at least not until we make an identical copy of our universe and observe its whole existence).
God does not exist.
@
Princess Luna exist.
@
Another Princess exist to.
@
Your mom is a good lady.
>>706973832
lrn2logic
not that anon
>>706974530
No.
>>706965651
and go to hell? fuck that, god is love, god is life
>>706977498
If god does not exist then hell and heaven neither.
I have three questions for religious people
If God has the will but not the power to stop evil, is he omnipotent
If God has the power but not the will to stop evil, is he benevolent
If he has neither the power nor will to stop evil, why call him god
>>706978267
>>706978267
They believe this thing called god is everything. If you look into Islam. There are 99 god names and they are all human characters.
>>706978755
but evil doesn't exist, nothing is black and white
>>706978755
Thank you
>>706978267
Because Christian God is not exist. Only Pony Princess exist, silly anon. Princess not pretend on absolute power, but love all, hm, MOST of us.
>>706978899
Religions don't think in black and white
Something is either a sin or not a sin
Religions are ancient rules that are made by humans to control humans.
>>706979147
To manipulate populations by making religion the only way of not going to hell, which raises a good point, why would Satan punish you for defying God?
>>706978899
Just replace "evil" with "suffering"
>>706978755
My good anon, why is this chart so hard for some to understand? I mean, I asked, answered and figured out this shit before I was 15 (try to believe I'm not bragging). And I'm not a raging atheist or some shit, it just makes me sad there is so much fanaticism on both the pro- and anti-God spectrum. Geez, don't we have bigger problems than that?
>>706965651
>>706979373
Humans created god and religions so i don't believe in them. I follow my own rule and my country law.
>>706965651
>>706979373
Hah, good one - if you disrespect God, Satan punishes you? I thought he'd be sending you some Steam money or summink
>>706976277
i can prove it - use religious dogma to water crops. In contrast: use science to water crops. Couple of seasons, same grain.
>>706979938
God is not life.
>>706979659
I suppose some of it is...
1) God exists & is on my side, so I'm justified in everything I do.
2) God exists & is on my side, so any shitty thing that happens to me will come with an equally beneficial reward when I die.
3) God exists & is on my side, so I'm a good person.
4) Everything shitty that happens to people they deserve because they're bad.
etc etc etc
>>706980066
Crops of Satan kek
>>706977041
it explained more, than religion. Infinitely more, since u cant multiply the 0 of religion to have anything close to even 1.
Religions make you a hypocrite. You could see it but you're still blind.
>>706978899
evil does exist and we can even agree on objective, universal evils
Why would Satan punish you for going against God religifags?
I'm curious why you think
I'm so fucking sick of fedora tier cringe neckbeard fucks
>>706979659
its hard for u to understand, cuz u r actually an idiot and the question of existence of god is the easiest question on earth. Im shocked it took u 15 years to solve it
We need more people like you...wait no that's not right.
>>706979000
Triple for the dear Princess!
>>706978755
First off guy, "evil" is just a matter of perspective as are the words "right" and "wrong"
The truth of all of this is that there's no good or bad, but when I created all of this it wasn't for humans to cling to this fantasy ideal of what I was supposed to be. Honestly, I'm not all powerful, but I have power, I'm not all knowing, but I know things. How am I not just as useless or incapable as any of you?
I can give you insight, but insight again, is a matter of perspective.
What I may see as a means of bestowing ultimate knowledge upon you might just piss you off or frustrate you because it could raise more questions or infuriate you at my ignorance and blatant incompetence.
Just like any parent, I didn't know what the fuck I was doing when I made you, and I still don't know what the fuck I'm doing now.
But with every passing day I'm glad that I did because you've shown me things about myself that I didn't know were there, and you've grown so much you're starting to question my right, reason, and part in all of this.
It's like watching a baby take it's first steps, I'm proud of you, all of you.
You started in a petri dish and now you're making Iphones and 4K TVs and shit. Every one of you makes it to acceptance and from there it's nothing but wisdom, so don't get discouraged, you'll make it there in due time I promise. Until then, just try to not give in to your own self torment. The human condition isn't one of unlimited knowledge, it's one of eternal curiosity and ignorance.
You'll never know everything, until you do.
>Then the next step is letting go of me.
>>706979862
religions r real
>>706980519
It's children story made by human aka homo sapien
>>706965651
I'm sorry OP, but god does exists.
And no, I won't kill myself, because I don't believe in god, I KNOW that it exists. Is not a matter of faith.
The concept of god is not related to faith. First, god is perfect, therefore, motionless (because its perfect > it has no needs (the reason creatures move is because they have needs) > if it has no needs, it doesnt move). So, this inmediatly disqualifies any relation between god and religious business, because no matter how much you pray to god or how many cults you instate on its name, it wont move for you.
Have you read the 5 ways of proving god's existence of Saint Thomas Aquinas? There is all you need to understand god exists.
>>706980653
kek
>>706980254
>food
>evil
>>706980658
I'm asking for the opinion of a religifag, they'd have some reason why Satan wouldn't just sit around smoking weed with you
It's 2016. If anyone believes anything at this point they should kill themselves.
>>706980693
how do u know god exists?
>>706980693
This thing called god won't answer you. You were actually helping yourself all this time. You believe in something that you never see and can't even reply to you back. If you ever heard his voice or anything then it is the brain that creates all of it.
>>706980148
Hmm, I came to the same thing about faith - lack of knowledge and times of distress. Surviving hard times in hope it serves greater good and feeling elitistic. TBH, I was (and still am) guilty of it, too. Trying to keep myself reasonable tho
>>706980266
I agree, anon.
>>706980802
They will never be able to answer you because the answer is not on their bible. If there is no answer for that then they will create (update) one for you. You know how it works. It's all human creation after all.
>>706980385
Like what?
>>706981048
"Religion claim there are at least two people in this room."
That is the real meaning of mental illness.
>>706980930
There is 3 ways to know something exists:
1.- Because of it's cause (Not possible on god, because we should exists before it, which is metaphisically imposible)
2.- Because of the entity itself (Not possible for the same reason, and add the fact we cannot perceive god in a sensitive way)
3.- or Because of it's effects (The things god created: The universe).
You can see the universe, making some reasoning about the way it works, and understand that god exists. This can be done understanding 5 things: (1) Everything that moves, moves because something else moved them; (2) Everything that exists, has a cause; (3) Everything that exists has the chance of being or not being; (4) Everything that exists, has a perfection concept that relates to the entity (like when you say, this is the 3rd best beer, the 2nd best, and the 1st, there is a relation of perfection on each one and the lowest participate from the uppers); and (5) Everything that exists, has a meaning or purpose.
If you understand this 5 nature movements, you can understand the existence of god.
Look for the 5 ways of proving god's existence of Saint Thomas Aquinas.
>>706981828
what made god?
discernible from non-existence
what makes u think theres a god, that made an universe?
>>706981506
Human suffering is evil only from the perspective of humanity, not a universal evil.
>>706982101
on the contrary - it stretches across all, that can suffer, like other animals. Its so universal an objective, its not bound just to our species.
The bible is true because the bible says the bible is true
>libcuck nu male forcing his cultural marxism
kys
>>706981828
who the heck is thomas bullshit? You believe in someone called thomas aquinas. He has mental disorder.
OK, how do you know that god exists? How do you know that god doesn't exist?
The answer: You don't know!
If God exists most likely it is not Christian, nor Muslim, nor Budistic nor any shitty religion on earth. It is just a super being. You don't need to bother and waste your time with pondering what is true and what isn't, no one has the answers.
Watch the Zeitgeist movies to see some things religious organizations have done to the world. Religious organizations have brought more harm than good to humans. Religion should be considered only from a philosophical standpoint where most religions talk about similar things like compassion and empathy. When they implement it to the real world they force people from different religious organizations to hate each other.
>>706980615
By the way, just so we're clear. Those last words mean that
1. You'll know everything when you stop relying on others for clarity, understanding, answers, and start answering things yourself as well and coming up with answers that make sense to you. Then you know everything because you're no longer reliant on others for them.
and
2. Just like your parents, once you've become self sufficient, the next stage in life is letting go of God. Both your creators and concept of creation will eventually die and you will have to move on to move forward.
>>706980569
Insults on /b/? Dude, I'm crushed.
>>706982270
I don't like bernie tho
Put bread in toaster, out comes Jesus.
>you can't explain that
>>706982556
Like this?
> amen
>>706982424
>If God exists most likely it is not Christian, nor Muslim, nor Budistic nor any shitty religion on earth. It is just a super being. You don't need to bother and waste your time with pondering what is true and what isn't, no one has the answers.
where is your logic? kek
>>706981067
Exactly. The first thing when talking about god is that this is metaphysics (things beyond physical world). Like cause and effect, action and potency, existence and essence, substance and accidents, etc. There is nothing emotional / religious / generally finite and world-related arguments about this. It's pure phillosophy and logics.
Yes, you where helping yourself by praying a mantra. Everything is in your brain. But god still exists.
>>706982424
do u believe god exists?
>>706982556
>>706982669
>Yes, you where helping yourself by praying a mantra. Everything is in your brain. (But god still exists.)
someone needs to learn how to logic
>>706982254
Interesting. Thanks, anon. Yum, brainfood
>>706965651
For a second, I read
>GOP
not
>GOD
Weird.
>>706982874
It means that you're living a good life without any obstacle like god.
>>706982383
Not sure if b8 or lazyness to google
>>706982705
If it was real:
https://youtu.be/lWZifSXlzlI
>>706965651
wow holy shit all of my bbbeliefs have chnagd hloy FUCK thank you anaon
>>706982825
>>706982974
He is human and tried to create his own theory without any proof. He is the muhammad thomas
>>706982088
God was unmade. God is eternal (Has no cause, nor end) God has ever been, is being, and will ever be. But this is more complex and requires more study to understand it.
It's discernible from non-existence because there has to be something that ALWAYS exists. Look, there are 2 kinds of entities (for this effects) those who are NECESARY and those who are CONTINGENT. Necesary means it cannot not exists: For instance, the existence itself: The concept of the being, the entity, the "esse": That which exists. That which is apart from the "nothingness". God is, by need, the most perfect necesary creature.
I've already explained why there is a god, and no I don't "think" there is a god, I KNOW there is a god, the difference is that this subject is not debatable, is a mere matter of metaphysics and comprehension of the universe.
>>706982424
Geez, get your logic drivers updated, anon
>>706982856
np
>>706982975
ill take it as "no". So u r an atheist. The babble about "we dont know" is that u r an agnostic on top of being an atheist.
>>706983078
and oceans. For fish and such
>>706967725
>Superior run-on sentence
THIS STORM OF BUTTHURT CHRISTIANS *WILL* KILL YOU!
>>706983162
you smoke crack bruh?
>>706982383
No he has no mental disorders, in fact he is a classic thinker that stated evidence of the existence of god. I am appealing to him because his postulates are really clear and if you read the 5 ways of proving god's existence, you can understand lots of things about the universe itself. That why I insist on everyone here reading it.
>>706983196
I wasn't even that guy, lol
>>706982705
My intention was to say that people shouldn't bother with figuring out what is true and what is not. Focus on fixing real problems like building a better world where the monetary and property owning systems are dead.
I have a theory that there is a god. I believe this theory. If i am disproved, then I will have to change my theory to incorporate the given evidence and proofs.
>>706983404
>5 ways of proving god's existence
There is no god.
>>706983378
No man, I am really clear about this because I have to study this matters almost daily. But I undertand this is difficult to comprehend (Heck, got me lots of reading and thinking to give order to this knowledge). But I am open for questions, if there is something not clear, just shoot them.
>>706983162
i forgot i shouldnt play socratic questions with idiots
Infinite regress - what made universe? god. What made god? thats infinite regress. Why didnt u stop on univeerse instead? Cuz u have to defend your superstition.
Universe was the thing that always was and theres no "before", cuz universe created itself, which is space and time.
So nothing else u try to say is pointless, since u still didnt prove god - u moved the goalpost.
Occams razor.
>>706983566
Oh, ok, so we are going to limit ourselves to make statements with no arguments whatsoever?
So, here you got mine:
>you don't exists as a human entity. You have no intelect nor free will. You are a computer bot.
The Lort said, "I am the Alpha and the Omegle"
>>706983520
fixing real problem requires as real knowledge as we can get. Finding out whats true solves the "real problems" , like hunger >>706980066
>>706983475
hopefully he'll learn
>>706983815
I believe in something that i can see with my own eyes.
>>706983548
what makes u think god is real?
>>706983548
>>706983548
I have a theory that you are a humongous faggot. I belive this theory. If I am disproved, then I will kill myself because it is literally impossible for you to not be a humongous faggot.
>>706965651
I agree with you but I prefer not to be a faggot about it tbh.
I read the simulation theory is very popular these days. Anons, how would the "simulator" be different from God?
>inb4 benevolence
>>706983668
You make wanna cry. Why do you to suffer all of this? Thinking about god and doing research about it even though it is proven that it does not exist. If only you could try to find something else that interest you. You probably could have earn some cash with your interest.
>>706983696
No, actually there is a lot written about why the first motionless motor and the first effective cause (god) cannot go in an infinite regress. The thing is, if there was an infinite regress, then eventually one the causes in this regress has to be contingent, not necesary, therefore, it's irrelevant if it exists or doesn't. By neccesity there has to be one uncaused cause. The contrary effect would be that, IF THERE IS NO NECESARY CAUSE, THEN NOTHING WOULD EXISTS, because something that has potency to exists or not exists, in some point, didn't exists, and if didn't exists then, it won't exists now. Then, there has to be an uncaused-necesary entity that has ALWAYS existed. And that uncaused cause, is god.
This is all the proof you need:
https://youtu.be/lF19XWWyREE
>>706965651
If God existed, Christfags wouldn't cry when someone dies. They're literally going to paradise. Why the fuck would you cry?
>>706983894
Go channel a fucking spell to establish a communication channel with god. Use ukulele sounds as a communication protocol. How would you find the truth about god you retard. But we know what's causing deaths and suffering in this world: the monetary system, passion for profit and acquiring more and more while destroying our only planet we have at the moment.
>>706983996
VR companies are gonna love you.
>>706983996
You can see reality with your eyes. The reality is the effect of god's creation. Then, you can understand god.
Actually is funny because each and everyone of Saint Thomas Aquinas 5 ways of proving god, starts with this: "It can be adquired with the senses that something ..." This is the "cool" thing about this ways of proving god: They all come from seeing the world. Please read them, it will come clear as water. I won't post them nor explain them because they are really long.
>>706984265
no.
Universe made itself
it existed, so it was existence. If it didnt exist, it wouldntve existed. And if nothing existed before existence, then it wouldntve not existed, making existence non-existence and thats violation of rule of identity
>>706984119
this
>>706984393
it helps, when the thing i want to test exists. Have u developed the ukulele chant yet? Cuz weve invented science and used it to grow crops, make shelter, not die from diseases. All of that thx to the fact, that food, germs and weather has influence on other things
>>706984383
After we die. We will turn into ash and left just bones. There is no afterlife.
>>706984330
Somone with musical knowledge here?
Please, I need a remix.
>>706984236
I've earned a lot of cash with my studies because the existence of god is around 2 or 3% percent of the fundamentations of the law. Also, knowing your metaphysics gives you a way of thinking that's unique, that most "normies" as you'd called them, cannot comprehend, because it's too much for them (I am sensing, its too much for you too, correct me if I am wrong).
By learning this things you learn the structures are that in ALL the existence (not even talking about god) and can be applied to EVERYTHING (economics, law, statistics, etc). Believe me, I've made lots of money from this knowledge, and no it has not come by making lecture of it.
>>706984393
It will never answer you because it doesn't exist.
>>706984465
oh shit someons is dense af
im outtie
>>706984830
Flames man...
Coming out ya butthole
>>706984513
Answer me this: If the universe made itself: How could that respect the universal law of "Nothing is above himself"? How can you create youself and at the same time, be yourself? Isn't that an absurd?
There are axiomas, you know. Like "The whole is always bigger than the parts" or "Nothing can be and not be on the same time and under the same circumstances". How can you answer this?
Universe made itself? So it was before itself, and itself, at the same time? Isn't that an absurd? Do you really think you can create yourself and be yourself at the same time and under the same circumstances?
>>706984832
It's because your brain made you believe in something that motivated you to do something. It was all your hardwork and there is no god involved. That leads you to earn that cash.
>>706984995
Ok, that simple enough. Go and lose a chance of learning something actually useful about existence structures.
If I am dense, then don't listen to me. Just go and read the 5 ways of proving good. Learn about ontologism arguments. Read metaphysics. Believe me, it's useful. They give you structure, mental discipline. Understanding this structures help you understand everything.
But, you have free will. Go if that's your desire.
>>706985514
So you think that if god exist you can answer those questions? Nope.jpeg
You need to wait to get the answers and the future generation will find the answer since we're mortal. Humans just need to keep doing research.
>>706965651
Hey guys, Jesus here
Why must you hate me? I'm not bothering you am I? If I am not bothering you, then why must you be so 'in your face' about being atheistic.?
>>706985521
There is a difference between believing and knowing.
>It was all your hardwork and there is no god involved
You need to supply this statement with arguments.
>>706985863
I don't believe in theory that hasn't got any proof. That's it.
>>706984832
2 or 3% based on god? U mean the significance of an errors worth? Solid argument.
Also law is based on social instincts
>>706985514
the same way u claim your god is - it always was there. There never was "before". God wasnt created? Neither was the universe. God didnt make itself? Neither did the universe. Your points have no value, if i can swap "universe" for "god" and have the same result
>>706985986
poor guy. he got killed by some ignorant people.
>>706985986
u trans-white
>>706985899
You don't need to think about god to answer those questions.
Ok man, lets go from the basics. For instance: Form/Matter. The matter is of which you are made. The form is which makes you be what you are and nothing else. The construct of both, explains part of your existence. Because of this metaphysical structure, you can understand your changes (For instance, you grow, your hair is longer, your face changes, your muscles grow, etc) which are mostly accidents to the matter, not of the form. Your form, is the human form. But, if you change your substance, for instance, by burning yourself, the structure changes: Your form changes: You stop being a human and become a pile of ash. But, the matter remains: You are composed by matter.
As you can see, we can understand the structures of entities without thinking about god. So, yes, we can answer some questions and not talking about god.
Although you didn't anwer none of my questions, which makes me wonder: Are you fucking understanding anything I am saying?
>>706986034
It's just my own way to believe. You probably think that god helps you to earn the cash.
>>706965651
You don't need my help
>>706986093
Sounds good to me. Faith = !intellectual suicide
>>706986093
There is proof. It's reason. Can you reason? Can you think? Can you close your eyes and think about the existence in itself?
You need more Aristoteles my man.
>>706986612
Here is your answer: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universe
You're welcome
>>706986844
this guy knows whats up!
>>706986818
It is called a trigger.
>>706986171
>2 or 3% based on god?
No, I mean the matter of god is 2 or 3% of topics related to making cash.
>God wasnt created? Neither was the universe. God didnt make itself? Neither did the universe. Your points have no value, if i can swap "universe" for "god" and have the same result
Good, you are starting to understand. It fucking doesn't matter what you call it, call it god, call it universe (the universe is inside god and its nature its the universe), cal it asehoñfahñdfohas if you want it. Swapping concepts: The One and the Entity. The Unity and the Entity. Yes, that's it. You are getting it.
>>706986844
>Can you reason? Can you think?
but can you?
>>706986818
faith is not intellectual suicide. Close-mindedness is intellectual suicide (for which you have equivocally tied a metaphorical noose around your neck and are inches away from tipping your support stool.
Please prove scientifically, with physical evidence, that "God doesn't exist." Thanks.
Protip: You can't. If you think you can, you're uneducated and scientifically illiterate.
I don't personally believe in anything supernatural, including "God". But it's ignorant to claim that it can be "proven" by science, evidence, or by any other means.
>>706986914
This is physics.
Can you think about METAPHYSICS? Can you think about the law of EVERYTHING? About things that are physical and things not physical? (which also exists, not everything that exists has to be physical).
Close your eyes. Your fucking eyes are the problem, think about existence IN ITSELF. Fuck, matter is just a part of it. Thank me later.
>>706986093
A theory means there is proof, like the theory of gravity or the germ theory of disease.
You mean you don't believe in a hypothesis that hasn't got any proof. As you should.
>>706986914
I mean METAPHYSICS: Those entities that are BEYOND mere physics.
This is not faith, is not esoterism. For instance, your thinking. Is your thinking material? NO. Is you concept of "Elephant" material? NO, because it exists only in your mind and it doesn't depend on a real elephant for you to think about it. METAPHYSICS.
>>706986844
whats the reason?
>>706987130
its u, who r misusing words to push your agenda. And since u gave me permission to use your tactic by stating
>cal it asehoñfahñdfohas if you want
im gonna call "cash" "im a stupid cunt, who is so paranoid, poor and useless, that i have to be a professional victim"
fun factoid: when the Christian church was still new, romans (due to misunderstandings) thought early Christians were: Incestious (calling each other brothers and sisters), canibals (the mass), and atheists (they were monotheistic, one of the only few religions at the time to hold such views)
>>706987614
u r proving no god this way.
>>706987377
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/stephen-hawking-confirms-non-existence-god-by-offering-scientific-proof-1467528
>>706987638
The reason is the relation between concepts and judgments. You can use concepts to create judgements, and go from know facts to unknown facts. For instance: (1) Socrates is a man, then (2) All man will eventually die: Then (Conclussion) Socrates will die. This is reasoning: You understood something which is not evident (because it has not happened) by concepts and judgements you obtained by reality. Thats reason. Use it.
>im gonna call "cash" "im a stupid cunt, who is so paranoid, poor and useless, that i have to be a professional victim"
Sorry, I don't understand this. I sense the sarcasm but I don't get the point. I am a very literal person.
>>706987733
No, in this case my intent is not proving god, is proving that there are structures that are related to everything that exists, being material or not. The "elephant" is an unmaterial concept, but it still exists.
I've stated this because I can mostly see, in all your arguments, guys, that your proof is only what you can SEE. Believe me, there are things that exists, but you cannot SEE, and no, its not esoterics, is not magic. And this structures are proof of many things: Of soul being unmaterial, of thinking being trascendental, of god existing. But first I need you to think METAPHYSICALLY, not phisically.
>>706988107
He literally states "in my opinion" you dipshit
>>706988464
strawman
The bible consists of multiple genres made by my bros
Do some research and you will understand that some of the books in the bible are more poetic or metaphorical, other books will be more literal. For example: Revelations is Apocalyptic literature, so it tells of real things to come, but uses symbols and metaphors to describe such.
>>706988525
"see" is a very good proof.
U dont have that
u have to resort to metaphysics
which dont prove god either.
no matter what u resort to using, u wont prove the existence of sth, that doesnt exist.
Also in case you don't know: Metaphysics means, literally: That which is beyond physics.
>>706988952
Between:
>u have to resort to metaphysics
and
which dont prove god either.
and, conclussion:
>no matter what u resort to using, u wont prove the existence of sth, that doesnt exist.
There is no logic in this syllogism, because there is no logical relation between statements and conclussion. You need to offer logical evidence on how this 2 postulates and 1 conclussion are related, in other words, you need to offer reason on how your conclussion can be derivated from the first 2 postulates. If you can't, you just stated a phallacy.
>>706988952
Sorry, again:
>>706988952
Between:
>u have to resort to metaphysics
and
>which dont prove god either.
and, conclussion:
>no matter what u resort to using, u wont prove the existence of sth, that doesnt exist.
There is no logic in this syllogism, because there is no logical relation between statements and conclussion. You need to offer logical evidence on how this 2 postulates and 1 conclussion are related, in other words, you need to offer reason on how your conclussion can be derivated from the first 2 postulates. If you can't, you just stated a phallacy.
>>706989289
u need to offer a proof of god, if u think it exists. So far u didnt.
>>706989358
damn
*fallacy
Fucking english, sorry.
>>706989289
A bit hypocritical t say that when you rely of material things alone to sustain your belief that there is no god. key word is belief.
>>706988853
with scientific proof
>>706989402
I have, although I didn't exposed the whole arguments. I've told you countless times in this thread: GO FUCKING READ THE FIVE WAYS OF PROVING GOD'S EXISTENCE OF SAINT THOMAS AQUINAS. They are too fucking long, is not my intention to explain them to you because this is what I do daily and get paid for, but since you won't pay me, go fucking read them yourself and learn something actually useful.
Then, we'll talk.
>>706988952
Have you "seen" your brain first hand? Have you "seen" the molecules that make up your body? How do you know they exist? Or are you taking someone's word for it?
Think about this, for example. Say on the other end of the universe exists a planet with bright pink people with 16 arms and survive off of radiation. If they exist, they exist, but we can't "see" them, nonetheless fact is fact, regardless of the observer.
A lack of evidence doesn't equal evidence. Science is based upon the scientific method, where you first make an observation and the prove it out with tests. You do not support science if you claim something without being able to prove it.
>>706965651
Nigga did you read gantz again?
why the fuck do any of you care what each other believe?
>>706990022
i dont speak nigger language
>>706990080
this guy get it!!
>>706989781
You do realise religion is only an excuse for people that doesn't want to accept the fact that they will rot and become nothing but molecules in space?
People always search for a meaning in what we do, but when they can't do that, they create a fake meaning with life. "God got a plan for us" and etc. No point in even discussing religion because in the end it's the religion cucks wanting to kill.
Religion is a bad excuse to acts you do. The only reason you're alive is because we were lucky enough in the universe. Nothing else, nothing more. You will die, you will be worthless. Deal with it, the faster you accept it the better.
>>706989781
5 ways r flawed.
universe moved itself
universe is its own cause
god isnt necessary
perfection is relative to purpose
beings r not ordered, nor necessary
>>706989833
evidence points to me being human and evidence points to humans having brains. So there.
etc.
IF I COULD SEE MY BRAIN, IT WOULDVE BEEN WAY MORE CONVINCING. But fortunately there r demonstrable evidence to show me having brain. While there r none for god.
>>706989632
I don't see a link to a scientific proof in this article. He says "let me explain" and offers a well thought opinion, but it is not backed by the scientific method.
>>706990341
oh shit you sure got a lot of free times
>>706990080
ISIS
>>706990258
he rly doesnt
>>706990302
>>706990302
you do realise atheism is only an excuse to do whatever the fuck you want.
People always searching for meaning in life, but when they cant find it, they decide to go against those who are.
Atheism is a bad excuse to acts you do. The only reason you are alive is because you were lucky enough for the universe to be created. nothing else, nothing less. you will die, you will be judged. deal with it, the faster you accept it the better.
just thought I would retort to show you how this goes both ways.
>>706989833
Dude, thats autistic. We KNOW there is planets out there, we can see them with our own eyes. We know there is a possibility there is life out there because we are here. People who believe in god wants us to believe a man in the clouds says what we can and can't do. If someone would've seen this person in the clouds with actual proof everyone would believe it eventually.
The proof we have today are only stories, there is no real proof of god. He is a story which has manifested in many shapes in many religions. Taking a story as a way to live and act is not a life worth living.
>>706990488
Look, before you and the rest of these atheists claim to be backed by science, there is no way for you to prove or disprove either existence of a God. This is the whole point of religion.
I'm cool with people believing what they want to believe, but don't mar the name of science because science has no claim here.
>>706990302
OMG I just started saying this: Religions is a fucking stupid shit. Religion doesn't matter. Esoterism, magic, you name it, doesn't matter. You can prove god's existence by not being a superficial pig and THINKING, using your gray matter, looking at the universe, looking at cause and effect, and then concluding it actually does exists, but this requires that you don't think MATERIALLY, MATTER doesn't matter (lol) what matters is the form, the essence, the structures that lie beyond physical world!
>>706990307
>universe moved itself
>universe is its own cause
>god isnt necessary
>perfection is relative to purpose
>beings r not ordered, nor necessary
Ha-ha, I will limit myself to laugh at your humble attempt to argument. When you come with reasons for each and everyone of those statements, we'll talk.
>>706989833
yeah, also lack of evidence is "no reason to believe".
Uve got this criterium: if it exists, theres evidence. How is non-existence distinguishable from existence, when theres no evidence?
>>706991359
did god move itself?
>>706990853
So because the existence of life based upon a chemistry we don't comprehend yet is possible, is it also possible that there is life out there that has higher reasoning than we as humans can comprehend?
We've seen what mankind has done in its short existence. If there is another life with such higher reasoning, is it not possible that they are so technologically advanced that we would consider them "gods"?
Look, I'm not an avid religious person but there are things out there that we can't comprehend.
While it may be stupid that a religious fanatic claims they know of God's existence, they are just as credible as someone who claims that they know that God does not exist.
>>706965651
Prove it
>>706990737
Yet if we would fall into a stage where everyone is christian or in any other religion we wouldn't have the technology we have today.
You know how people will kill eachother today because their religion says so? Also the fact they explained everything they wouldn't understand with witchcraft and destroyed it.
But, we still have people who believe in a god that isn't killing people and etc, there is christians that do scientific research. But what if no-one ever questioned gods' existence? Nothing would be the same, the only reason we got this technology is because someone thought maybe it isn't god controlling everything.
So aethists would try new things, push the boundary of gods faith. Then the believers would kill these "heathens".
But it's okay to believe in something, to give you hope and give you a reason to act nice to people. But when a story decides who dies and who lives. Maybe you've gone too far.
>>706991425
Before we knew there were cells, molecules, atoms, and then subatomic particles, did they exist? Yet we didn't have evidence of them for most of human history. Who's to say what we will discover evidence of in the future?
True science is keeping an open mind and furthering our understanding of the universe.
>>706991509
ill answer before u, cuz weve covered this: no, cuz universe has no beginning and is eternal.
rest of the roads base on this being supportive for them and its not, so u lose.
Theres this very nifty characteristic of real things - u can demonstrate them. Demonstrate god. Call him, make him send me an e-mail. Make him turn my old phone into studio camera
>>706990612
you're afraid hordes of /b/tards are going to rise up for slaughter if their beliefs go unckecked?
fucking thought police, man
>>706965651
This thread again
>>706991190
I don't know why you need to be so militant about it. It makes your arguments seem worthless because they are motivated by nothing more that a selfish desire to be right. Which in philosophy 101 is called: a shitty philosopher
All that matters is what you do, not what you believe.
>>706991812
they did exists, but there was no reason to believe in them. And it was the correct way to act.
Get the proof and then ill change my mind. Not BEFORE. Not ASSUME THERES A GOD AND FIND WHAT SUPPORTS THAT.
>>706991888
like isis is doing? Prove my point harder.
Let your daughter die of leukaemia, cuz she feels sick after chemo, so well stop giving her meds and trust god.
Dont take blood transfusions either, just bleed
>>706992123
i actually had a blanket with that superman cover
>>706991812
The more we discover the harder it is to discover truly new things. It's reasonable to make blanket statements about the universe considering what we already. For example, I can say with confidence that there is life beyond Earth despite having no evidence to support my claim.
I don't get Christian religion, do people really believe that humans just appeared on the planet and there was a book there that explained everything. How is that reasonable.
>>706982640
If this ever happened to me, I still wouldn't believe, but I'd be second thinking hard...
>>706992456
apparently they do and we r equally baffled
>>706992400
That's really funny.
>>706992483
remember how god was flooding earth and resurrecting ppl? Now he shows up on toasts
>>706991519
At this point of humanity, we would not see them as gods. We would see them as an evolution of a species which has surpassed us. But to the mind of a simple peasant it would be seen as extraordinary, impossible you could say. They would see them as gods and write stories about these people and their acts.
We would then read the same thing and believe the same thing, hoping we would see them one day. And when something impossible happens, we'd say it's god.
You could compare us to animals. A dog to us is a mere pet, but to the dog we're his leader, his shepperd, his god.
Maybe in the past we had an encounter with someone or something and it ended up with the first religion. A belief which would lead people to get the better life. Then as life wouldn't get better some went away from the religions beliefs in search of the better.
Heck I don't know what I'm talking about, I'm sort of drunk.
>>706992456
I was raised Catholic and it was nothing like that, I wasn't taught creationism and I was taught to take the Bible in context.
>>706992239
let my daughter die? wtf are you talking about? it's not necessary to disbelieve science to believe in god. science hasn't disproven god so i don't have to choose.
your dichotemous thinking is sad. fucking evolve cunt.
>>706992420
Well we know there is evidence to this. We have life everywhere we look. But it's about saying if the life we see is there because of god or something else.
"something else" was too hard for people to even start to think about so they said it's their god who made it. An easy way to explain things to a simple mind.
>>706992239
let my daughter die? wtf are you talking about? it's not necessary to disbelieve science to believe in god. science hasn't disproven god so i don't have to choose.
your dichotemous thinking is sad and outdated. fucking evolve cunt.
>>706992929
u dont disprove, u prove
learn whats null hypothesis
scientific method is the best for everything. Why would u need religion for? Why do u wanna be worse off?
Cuz u r pathetic, is why
>>706992420
I agree.
My biggest issue is that many atheists have an elitist mentality that they are backed by science, when in fact they are not. We have increased our knowledge as mankind due to people with open minds willing to observe and make tests based upon their observations.
There are many idiots on both ends, not just on the religious side.
I wonder how it would look in a world where religion never got founded. Religion is one of the reason we feel the way we do today and act. If religion never got founded maybe we would be savages trying to kill anything we see because we want it.
It'd be interesting to see how it plays out. Maybe it would end up leading to one of the most advanced civilizations, or one of the most autistic ones.
>>706992456
My whole family is Christian, and I believed that there was a god up untill I was about 12. I guess because as u get older ur brain developes more and your able to think about what your told idk. I'm not saying u can't think when your younger than that but ig your more aware. But anyways I got to thinking about what I was being taught and how It wasn't reasonable and didn't explain everything. Idk where I'm going with this now. Ig I'm just speaking my mind
>>706993003
I think "God" and religion in general was really a mechanism to maintain the morale and ethics of the people in ancient times. It wasn't just to explain the unexplained it was also to help people cope with living in times without modern solutions to societal challenges.
>>706992698
Lol it's cool man. I appreciate the conversation.
I think it's dumb when people claim that religion has done no good for mankind, or that it only caused suffering. It's not so black and white.
Look at the atom bomb. Was this caused in any way by religion? Yet look at the suffering it has caused, in the name of science.
Religion I think has done some good for humanity by providing a group of people with a common goal and common morals. Some people take shit to the extreme, but that's just people, not religion itself.
>>706993113
Durr Durr muh scientific method.
Did you use this method to prove God doesn't exist? Then why do you believe it with such lack of evidence?
>>706991509
No, he did not. He is pure movement. He never passed from potency to act of movement. He was always pure act of movement and creation. It is you, and me, and every finite creature, which are subject of act/potency structure.
This guy, this guy gets it: >>706991877
>>706991904
I am really sorry man, really. I am not being sarcastic: I have not expressed myself here, as the academy requires me to do. I've been rethorical, ironical, and insulting.
But, I am talking serious this time: There is a logic of the existence of this universe and you can check it because of the effects of the creation on the creatures, and on yourself. I won't explain them as they are required to do, because they are part of a universitary career. Is really complex, it takes years of studying. But you can access a very similar knowledge by reading the correct philosophers (Saint Thomas Aquinas, Aristotle, Plato, Socrates, Saint Augustus, Francisco of Suarez) and you can find this in the internet.
I am really sorry about sounding militant, but really, this is not about me being right or wrong, or you being that. This is about the TRUTH: That there is something in this physical universe that cannot be explained by mere physical rules, and you must think about the rules that go beyond materialistic experince, beyond your senses. You can obtain this truth just by reading and thinking. And believe me, once is understood, it offers a so-clear comprehension of the universe, you won't have to make this questions again.
>>706993783
I mean this guy >>706991877 gets only that part said about universe being eternal and not having beginning nor end. The rest, I think, it's just sarcasm.
>>706970765
This is good! I like this!
>>706993582
>>706993600
This is what I'm thinking aswell, the though of god was to have people act nice to eachother. Not kill those who don't agree with your religion. Things probably escalated and that's what we got today. Some are peaceful, some aren't.
>>706973015
What you saw was the back of your eyelids, while your brain was trying to function without enough oxygenated blood. This produced a phenomenon that you describe as "heaven," but you are clearly still here.
Allah exists, you're in for a rude awakening if you think you can plead ignorance on judgement day.
>>706992456
There are plenty of evolutionary creationists out there. The general gist of the concept is that god made the universe come into form, set its laws, and then left everything to run so he could enjoy what he made. Then humanity disobeyed god, which distanced him from us, then he took the burden of our sins so that, if we choose, he can restore the relationship between man and God. Thus, fulfinning our purpose, and him taking pleasure in his creation once more. as it was said "and god made man, and it was very good"
>>706994390
don't lump Christians in with Muslims.
>>706973480
Plus, if I was omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent, and all-loving, and I knew a child was being abused or dying of cancer, I would save that child. That's the difference between me and "God"
>>706994377
Also the fact how the brain sends electronic pulses throughout the entire brain to "reactivate it" after not breathing and passing out.
>>706973911
Pure horse manure indeed.
>>706993113
so in your eyes nothing exists unless science has proven it to be so?
im not saying prove or disprove anything. i dont give a fuck what you believe or dont believe. all im saying is that belief in science and belief in god are not mutually exclusive.
>>706994566
Lol
>>706983162
You have no evidence to prove any of your assertions. It's all made up hooey.
>>706991708
That is a assumption, not a fact. Christians have invented much of the science you use against them. It was Darwin, a devout Christian who formed the theory of evolution in his origins of species. It was Mendel who theorized small packages of data that would later be called genetics and DNA. Gorges proposed the big bang theory to explain how the universe came into being. Sir francis bacon who proposed the Scientific method. and everyone else in this article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Christians_in_science_and_technology
To claim that theism leads to unscientific thinking is, frankly, unscientific.
>>706986777
Not one of those people committed those acts in the name of atheism. Whether or not they were atheists is irrelevant.
When was the last time you heard of an atheist honor killing on the news?
>>706994724
It doesn't matter if you believe it or not science bears on reality whereas religion is only significant insofar as people believe in it. So if you're interested in the real world what would you want to base your decisions on, science or religion?
So much edge I could trim my ball sack with it
I find it amusing that there are believers here on /b/ when we all know that /b/ is loaded with images of cocks, traps, creep shots, asses, gore, and many other ungodly images and content. You Godders must come here in between bible thumping sessions to thump something else. Am I right?
>>706995302
then why would it be any more relivant to staple ones religion to their actions?
>>706965651
>implying humanity has every done anything correct
>obviously the human scientific method is flawless and true
>>706991526
I don't know if a god exists, but I do KNOW the Abrahamic God doesn't exist, for He is an illogical concept, rife with contradiction - a square circle of loving wrath, known to have gone through an evolution as He was compiled by the ancients throughout history.
>>706995412
Isis
Are you this dense?
>>706995414
I guess we might as well stop trying. I'll see at the worldwide mass suicide tomorrow.
