It's pretty obvious from history that a Benevolent Dictatorship is the best government for a society to be strong and advanced. Democracy, Communism and Socialism turn a country into a corrupt shithole, rife with degeneracy.
Too much choice is the enemy of progress. Too many restrictions are the enemies of progress too, though. A Benevolent Dictator must be strong of will to prevent themselves from becoming like yet another Arabic Tyrant. Ghaddafi was great for a while. Libya was prosperous as fuck. Free housing, free education and healthcare. Amenities and good roads, clean society, strong economy and family ties. The only problem is Ghaddafi went off the deep end and started being oppressive.
>That's what America needs. Someone who takes the reins, consolidates all forms of power around him and starts bossing people around with no care to little bitches and whines and complaints. "This is what's best for America, you shut your cunt mouth and do what I say. End of." should be the go-to response for any detractor.
Who are you voting for again?
>>706928615
i disagree. the US is the best country in the world and better now on most levels than ever in its history. and safest. it's a rousing success.
the US is also one of the oldest countries now. the UK is older by a few decades.
democracy works.
>>706928615
Fucking sexy ass Hitler with the stubble
>>706929257
>the safest
Well, that really depends.
>>706928615
Thing is, how do you keep a dictator from straying from benevolence, what safety mechanisms can be implemented?
Secondly, how do you make sure that the safety mechanisms and regulations aren't ignored?
Those are my two only cobwebs really
>>706929257
>the US is also one of the oldest countries now.
>>706929536
>cobwebs
For fuck sake *conerns
>>706928615
>Benevolent Dictatorship
Such a thing does not exist. If too much power is in the hands of one man for too long then they will inevitably become greedy, leading to ruin.
The best type of government is a Chinese-style single party state in which power is in the hands of a small group of individuals, one of whom is a figurehead head of state with little power and strict term limits. This gives the efficiency of dictatorship without an over-concentration of power
>>706928615
Agreed.
Obviously democracy gives power to the pleb to decide, which is pathetic.
>>706929536
A truly virtuous man/woman should be chosen for the job. One who has proven to be incorruptible.
I am certain there are qualified people out there, with beneficent motives.
>>706929684
And who would select him/them?
You?
Benevolent is who he gives ME stuff.. do you understand?
>>706929798
I am sure that, if the good people of planet earth decided to form such a 'gov', the process of selection would be transparent, and agreed upon by everyone.
No other way to do it.
>>706929257
Lol what the fuck.
Well from that little tirade we at least know USA's education is shit tier.
>>706929607
the thing is because they can do as they please, dictators can surround themselves and employ technocrats instead of popular personalities, which is helpful in modernizing the nation even when the majority of the population are reluctant to abandon their traditional ways.
Dictators do not need to ensure the support of or appeal to a specific constituency by including them. In that sense, a dictator's decisions will have a tendency to represent his own economic interest in development, rather than the popularity or political affiliation of the decision.
pretty sure you'll see amass uprising in chinksland soon enough, that country is waiting for a revolt
>>706929589
it is though, faggot
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_by_date_of_formation
do some research before sounding like an idiot.
>>706929257
The only people that think America is great are Americans.
The rest of the world can have a civilised conversations about pro's and cons of each other.
>>706929946
Idealism it is, then. Can't happen.
>>706930097
such pessimism.
>>706930013
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=oldest+nation+on+earth
>>706930133
Realism.
Realists are always called pessimists becuase people love illusions. Watch True Detective.
I post this hoping ur not trolling. You are, tho.
>>706929257
USA is 240 years old, the United Kingdom of England was formed in the 10th century, prior to Norman invasion.
Only off by nearly 1000 years.
>>706928615
North Korea awaits you with open arms, OP. Send us a post card if you can get authorization.
>>706930058
wrong. everyone wants to come live here. it's a fucking paradise.
the only people who hate are the ones who can't come here, who can't even afford to visit it.
stay out you jealous fucks
>>706929976
>dictators can surround themselves and employ technocrats instead of popular personalities
Some do, most just hire those that tell them what they want to hear and fire those that tell them the bitter truth, others give their family members and friends high ranks despite being totally incompetent.
>>706930316
Yes, Realists think the world of themselves, as you do. Oh well, have a good one.
>>706928615
great pov, I like it. dictatorships manage crisis situations well. Most of the modern societies, even liberal democratic systems have states of emergency, states of siege, or martial law to deal with catastrophes, crisis and threats. Examples of Martial Law include: Germany and Japan after World War II. The American South during the early stages of Reconstruction, the Canadian October Crisis of 1970.
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>>706930318
it was the kingdom of great britain until 1800, fag lord
when the government changes, that country is a new country.
>>706928615
Benevolent is the key word, but don't forget: Power Corrupts, and Absolute Power Corrupts Absolutely. A Dictatorship can only work under an incorruptible or near-incorruptible individual, but such men are not only incredibly rare but almost never seek a life of politics.
As a result, we're forced to make compromises - do we preserve benevolence by limiting power of the government and changing out the ruling parties (IE Republic), or do we preserve efficiency at the cost of allowing corruption (IE Standard Dictatorship)?
>>706930013
You retard, political institutions still existed before those dates in most cases.
That give's a date on the latest reform of state.
The United Kingdom existed before then, though the shake up of its component states ie. Ireland and Scotland doesn't mean that it just appeared.
>>706928615
>>706930627
the government changed, it changed its name. it's a new fucking country.
who cares that people lived there. the point is the goverment changed.
the government in the US has not changed.
>>706930364
so what should he do? surround himself with a cabinet composed of fellow party members and allies? regardless of their credentials? which means he cannot go against the views of the people, which is often anti-progressive, these people sometimes elect a candidate because they espouse their own views, because they belong to the same clan, or even because they are simply popular and charismatic.These qualities do not equate to a better governing body
>>706930349
I just cam back from Hungary and spent a week drinking with 12 nationalities.
The only annoying prick was the American... you guys are next level brainwashed.
No one I know wants to go to USA, and most people I meet have a similar option.
>>706930805
>one person from the US was annoying
>they all must be
you're a fucking idiot. we don't want you here.
>>706930586
There was no government change pleb, it still was Westminster and a constitutional monarchy.
They took Ireland as their own, under the crown.
Adding a state doesn't mean a hard reset on its formation, even though it makes you feel better about your culture less shit hole.
>>706931135
doesn't matter. i already admitted the UK was older. so what? why choose that point to argue. who cares?
the point is the US is a more stable government than most countries in the world. It's never been taken over and it rolls on.
>>706930616
power corrupts but once that power is given to a ruler who KNOWS how to use it, it does the opposite, it sets the country on a path of progress never seen before.
Compromises are for the weak, look at how democracies hang on the crossthreads of revolt and anti-government propoganda. look how if, people are given power in their hands, bring the entire development of a nation to a stand-still. More over, there is less crimes in the proposed dictatorships, Most of the dictatorship governments are police states.
So, in a way there is low crime rate under such regimes. Another reason for a better law and order situation in these states is that various laws are passed immediately, without any discussion or waiting for the public opinion on them. This leads to better control over crimes too.
>>706931135
>culture less
says the guy from a country that listens to every song, watches every tv show and movies made by people in the US and wears the clothes designed by US designers, uses technology spearheaded by US inventors.
funny joke
>>706931477
>once that power is given to a ruler who KNOWS how to use it
...And what about when that leader dies? Often the country is then thrown back into chaos as the designated successor frequently does not live up to expectations or a power struggle emerges
>>706931526
UK is superior to the US in every aspect of the word. You are, because we wanted. end of story. pleb.
>>706931684
too bad you don't believe that. if you did, you wouldn't feel the need to say it that way on an anonymous message board, faggot.
>>706928615
Gays love the smell of nigger farts.
>>706931644
You assumed succession is not planned. Let me give you some examples,
Examples abound, starting from North Korea which they introduced to the debate. There is going to be a second successor, from Kim Il-Sung to Kim Yong-Il, the grandson of the original dictator. --> http://www.thetimes.co.za/News/Article.aspx?id=1012277
Another one where not a drop of blood was shed was Cuba. Raul Castro was designated as the successor of Fidel years ago and everything continues as it was.
Also, there are many examples of dictatorships that are not personal but cliques (as in one party systems). The small group designates a leader so in those cases the succession is as smooth as silk.
>>706931526
Fav band: Led Zep (British)
Fav TV show: Dragons Den (UK)
Clothes: Various, very little American as it's all baggy, ugly shit.
TV: LG
Laptop: Sony
Console: Sony
Food: Indian, Thai, Chinese.
Keep trying Amerifaggot.
>>706932108
yeah your food sucks. that's for sure.
dragons den
you're a fucking faggot. fuck off.
>>706931934
>North Korea
They function as an absolute monarchy, rather than a 'pure' dictatorship
>Cuba
Fidel is still alive and was able to oversee the transition of power which is a fairly unusual state of affairs.
>>706932108
>implying the americans have ANY native cuisine to begin with
>>706932108
He didn't say what your favorite shit was, dummy. There's no question that you've watched American shows and movies. I was over there, that shit is on the tv all the time. Even Friends was being celebrated for fucks sake.
>>706932191
Just not an underanged pleb that sucks his countries dick for a loving.
Enjoy getting nuked by Russia and the rest of the world lolling to shit.
>>706932262
The americans do what they do with everything, they take it make it better and then other countries copy it. Italian food, for example. Italian americans, 2nd generations, changed the food and made it better.
Plus check out NYC some time. There is no better city for variety and quality of food on the planet.
>>706932227
>They function as an absolute monarchy, rather than a 'pure' dictatorship
which is still closer to dictatorship than any form of democracy, what was your question again?
>>706932336
you sound miserable and jealous. pretty sure you are too poor to even visit the USA.
Yeah democracy doesn't work if your country is full of morons. Benevolent dictatorship is the way "ideally" but is risky due to human flaws.
I hate to say it, but maybe a strong dogmatic foundation that brainwashes people to be benevolent dictators may reduce the chance of having an asshat for a leader. Something like a Catholic seminary except for making benevolent dictators and not priests. And possibly less pedophilia
>>706928615
>It's pretty obvious from history that a Benevolent Dictatorship is the best government for a society to be strong and advanced.
It's pretty obvious that you're a faggot.
>>706932268
When I watch American TV I see Gordon Ramsay, fucking Piers Morgan, James Corden, Ricky Gervais.
I watch Game of Thrones, walking dead and they're all British...
What's ur point?
>>706932391
>they take it make it better and then other countries copy
why your food is shit,
from quora:
From a high-brow perspective, it might be because America has been too successful at removing the requirement of artistry and craftsmanship from the making of food, in its attempt at improving throughput, efficiency, and ultimately profit.
Food writers such as Michael Ruhlman have remarked on this. The American model strives for business growth, increased availability, and lack of reliance on "irreplaceable individuals" such as an exceptional cook. A successful burger restaurant can run itself like a well oiled machine regardless of whether a master cook is working, is completely unaffected by seasonality of ingredients, has a tried and true plan to make money for the owner, and is eminently ready to replicate itself.
American food culture has been hijacked by modern corporations to the extent that the vast majority of 'food' consumed in America, isn't actually 'food', but rather 'artificial food like substances' - to borrow from journalist Michael Pollan. It's also a prime reason why more than 2/3rds of America is overweight or obese, why the health care system is overtaxed, and why Americans suffer from so many nutrition related health problems.
While in decades past, America, like most other places, had a strong culture of home cooked food, corporations rewired this such that the bulk of the American diet consists of highly processed, unhealthy, and addicitive food either in the form of fast food, processed food eaten at home, or in chain restaurants.
Even 'cooking' at home in America often consists of mixing together a few processed ingredients, rather than start with fresh, raw ingredients.
>just google why americans have the worst food on the planet and come back to me
>>706932681
such a profound and informative response, I appreciate your honesty in letting me know first-hand how educated you really are.
>>706932785
I watched a show and the idea of 'cooking' was literally throwing all your favourite 'candy' in a bowl, mixing it with cookie dough and baking it.
I do that shit when I'm fucking high and don't get a TV show.
>>706932785
you need to stick to cities in the US to get good food. In the countryside there is a shit load of cheap fast food restaurants.
but in the cities, the food is amazing. check out the pacific northwest, california and in particular New York City has amazing food. Austin, Chicago, New Orleans, etc. has more specialized fare.
But in some areas, more rural areas, the people just like the fast food and chain restaurants. Higher end ones just don't last long.
It's a huge country.typically what happens is people who want that stuff, they move to cities and leave their shit home towns behind.
You have endless choice in the US.
>>706932785
hey genius you can google any "why X has the worst food" and you will get results. that's how dumb you are.
>>706929257
>go to school, get shot
>go to movies, get shot
>police stops you, get shot
>walk in the street, get shot
>safe
Pick one hamburger
>>706933631
literally a 0.00001 chance of any of that shit happening you fucking coward.
>>706928615
We need a Julius Caesar. Unfortunately we have what seems to be two Neros running.
>>706933399
>>706933245
Why the hell do you guys get so over-protective of your soon-to-be-shit country?
man the fuck up
>>706933706
Dislikes the idea of children being shot while they learn = coward.
You faggots are the biggest cowards on this planet for wanting to own guns.
>>706933706
>0.00001
Sauce me the study that stated this. Please. Thank you :)
>>706933953
it's just the truth that i'm concerned with. there are legit reasons to hate the US, fucking wars and shit, middle east meddling, the white and black trash, the ones who visit other countries acting like tourists are painful to see, treatment of native americans, fuck i could go on
but the food you eat, the culture you consume, the vast and varied land from ocean beaches to desserts and mountains, huge forests - these are not things to hate them for.
that's all i'm saying
>>706934186
350 million people in the US
let's say 1000 deaths by those methods. that's a high number, but i'll give it to you. who knows what might happen soon.
1000 / 350,000,000 = 0.0000028571
>>706929257
made me kek
hahahahahahahahahahahahaha
We still haven't solved the problem of succession and you want to return to the monarchy
Jesus
>>706934127
i just don't worry about something that happens so rarely as to be statistically zero chance of happening.
but you're right, you need to be a coward to own a gun too. because you're in your house thinking it's going to get robbed when even that has a very low chance of happening, not as low as kids getting shot, but pretty fucking low.
when you give the people the right to chose they chose wrong
>>706934658
who was the right choice exactly?
>>706933772
it's more Servilia vs. Crassus
the biggest thing we need right now is to make the death tax even higher. that shit should be around 80 or 90%
trump's goal is doing away with it.
>>706929257
What a bait Sir
>>706929257
one of the oldest countries :P hahahah. More like one of the youngest countries u fucking idiot! I'm from denmark. Our flag is fcking older than ur country alone. Our monarchy is the oldest in the world
>>706934937
sorry dude, germany owned your ass until 1945. THAT is now the date of your country.
>>706934937
fuck even italy is older than your sorry ass country
>>706930349
I'm from British Columbia. I lived in California for a year doing some schooling and I found there's two tiers of Americans. There's Californians+New Yorkers and then there's the rest of America. The majority of people I met from out of State were very friendly
>>706935605
are you saying new yorkers and californians are worse or better?
>>706935679
Were worse. Always making the dumbest Canada jokes
>>706928615
No it isn't, dipshit.
Democratic socialism is the only thing that's going to save our species.
>>706935927
ha ha sorry for your experience.
i love montreal and vancouver. haven't been anywhere else up there.
montreal strip clubs are top notch
>>706932785
>food isn't food
Holy fuck my sides
>>706935927
With their beady little eyes and flapping heads.
>>706934379
intentional homicide rate per 100000 in america is 3,9. In iceland it is 0,3.I am not saying usa is south africa or anything but it isn't safest.
>>706936115
yeah but that number is meaningless. if you get involved in shit, like drugs and crime, or you're in a gang when shot, the number includes these. who knows what the true number is.
just like if you get shot by a cop but you have a gun, that number shouldn't get counted.
the numbers that matter are the random shootings, the deaths when you're not involved with bad shit and you're doing nothing wrong.
if you're just the average person you're safe in the US.
>>706936115
that's a 0.000039 of getting shot vs a 0.0000031 chance
i don't know, man, seems pretty fucking close to me.
>>706936115
>>706936515
both essentially, statistically, zero chance of getting shot.
>>706936591
How the fuck did this turn into a "how should I avoid getting shot in the US" thread??
>>706936115
Fuck is there even 100,000 people in Iceland?
>>706936323
Do you not think that this stand off attitude is caused by people having guns?
Serious question.
I mean I live in the UK and I know some right nutters... the idea that they can get hold of a gun would be crazy.
Everyone has a bad day, working in retail in the past has made me want to shoot people. Not being able to stroll into a public place to vent anger on innocents on that scale is a good thing imo.
>>706928615
I see through your lies, OP.
>>706936752
hard to say. if you look at the recent mass shootings in texas, having a gun doesn't stop shit. it still took armed and trained police to handle the situation.
so it definitely doesn't help.
guns aren't the end all be-all of a weapon anyway. in close quarters, which is where you'd be fighting in cities and in your home, most guns have drawbacks.
give ma a good billy club or training with a knife over a rifle or even a handgun. you sill need to hit the target which is difficult under stress. and no, going to a range doesn't help that.
shotguns are pretty effective but not necessarily killers.
we also have pretty great police in the US. even though they've gotten some bad press lately.
we've also grown up with guns being a fact.
it's a complicated mix that doesn't lend itself well to taking one aspect and putting it into another country.
>>706936742
Yes. And they're all Wind Walkers.
'Murican here.
Freedom, ground beef patties with special sauce, Eagles, guns, muscle cars, slaves.
Still the greatest country ever to grace the planet and humankind with its presence.
>>706936652
because op is a faggot and his post sucked
>>706937053
>going to a range won't improve accuracy for in an irl situation.
Ok anon.
>>706928615
What OP says actually has a lot of basis in history, whether or not he knows it.
In Ancient Greece the term "tyrant" meant simply one person who seized power, it never had a negative connotation. It was because if tyrants that Athens and Corinth became as powerful as they were, men took power to make the necessary reforms.
In Plato's "The Republic", Plato describes the ideal polis as one ruled by a small group of oligarchs whose only commitment is to that of the state. He also stresses that rulers should not take pay for ruling, as; they should do it for the value of the people, or fear of the people's retribution. Trump has said he won't take a salary as president.
Modern theories such as Hoppe Libertarianism also support OP's stance. Though different to Plato's theories, both have the same theme.
>>706937534
yeah it won't. no one is trying to kill you at the gun range, faggot.
>>706937642
Not with that attitude.
>>706937543
>Trump has said he won't take a salary as president.
Well that's mighty white of him.
>>706937543
>discussing the Republic like an intellectual
>bringing up a dipshit like Donald Trump
kek
>>706937749
Just thought I'd slip that in there since OP ended with "who are you voting for". It's not really relevant but hey, why not.
>>706937804
>green texting instead of discussing
K
>>706928615
It's more about what kind of people rule, not what system of laws you have. Sure it's important what system you have, but unless you have control over your leaders, it's not going to happen for you. Socialism and Communism didn't had migrants you pleb. Democracy is nowadays in every country, besides North Korea.
>>706928615
>Capitalism is only a virtue to the individual and always at the expense of it's people and state.
I mean I wouldn't read into how "great" capitalism is. You're still killing niggers because you think the coons gonna coon out on you meanwhile your government has been stripping your individual, sovereign rights guaranteed to you by your constitution
>>706937845
>being a post nazi
>supporting a dipshit like trump
k
>>706937962
>>706938043
>trump
k
>>706928615
Social and industrial democracy with parliamentary representation is the only way to go, OP.
People don't like being told what to do and prefer to make their own decisions about their environment, especially the more that our society becomes more free and permissive.
>>706938508
What exactly do you mean by social and industrial democracy?
>>706938611
it means people have the right to decide how their communities should run, and they would have a stake in whatever business moved to said communities, and not just developers or venture capitalists.
>>706938771
So because a company moves into town citizens automatically get a large claim to it?
>>706938851
Yeah. Problem? A large company displaces social and environmental factors. A large company makes a lot of money off workers in said communities. And under present day laws, there is nothing keeping them from using the populace, taking the money, and keeping the economy dependent on its presence in the community. There needs to be an equal partnership, or companies shouldn't be allowed to move there.
>>706928615
its politicaly uncorent to say hitler did nothing wrong but the fact is we woud live in better world today if natzis woud won. we woud probably have fusion tehnology by now
test
>>706939024
you mean we'd be fused glass by now
>>706939002
In your world why would a company even stay in that country in the first place? There is no incentive or competition. No emtrepreneurs to create jobs.
You think Bill Gates wants some dumbass from small town Alabama having a stake in his company? There's no logic to this solution.
What business in their right mind would function in this system? You take the risk of starting a company, only to be forced to share your intellectual and financial property with a bunch of random retards.
>>706937318
Freedom ,.., slaves
what?
>>706928615
Trump, please leave
>>706939334
Actually, basic economics will not change.
But if you want to build widgets in my community, my fellow citizens have elected city councils and other local social infrastructure that would dictate the terms I just described.
Business would compensate in a number of ways, subject to negotiation. The most common would be that the business give a share of its profits to the community, and not just in some tax write-off crap like community centers, but actual dividends to resident impacted by the business.
That's realistic thinking. And the only reason we don't have that now is because Big Business holds all the cards. Hell, we're having trouble convincing them that they need to raise the minimum wage.
Currently we have some social democracy, but not nearly the industrial democracy we're going to need if we want to build a sustainable future.
Who /AnCap/ here?
>>706939889
>off by one
>>706939705
So you would only subject large businesses to this tax than?
I ask again, what incentive would businesses have for not just moving elsewhere firm this community?
Is your entire basis for this argument compensation for people who have been "impacted" by businesses? What exactly is your measurement of "impacted"?
Because if that's not what you mean and you're talking about all businesses being subjected to tax just for operating within a community, you really don't understand economics.
>>706939889
>>706939889
Government provides a necessary function, anarchy is definitely not the solution.
Capitalism plays to mans self interest, what happens when self interest goes unrestricted?
>>706940150
>>706940068
"Impacted" simply means to what degree the company benefited from being in the community, and how residents were affected by it.
>what incentive
What incentive would a company move anywhere? To make their products.
And ultimately this system would be everywhere, so no company moving out of state to someplace cheaper. :)
>So you would only subject large businesses to this tax.
It's not a "tax" for one thing. It is "industrial democracy." It is whatever the community decides. Why do you give big business all the decision? Just because they have money? Cities have money, too. Taxpayer money. That's not much of a defense.
> recommends benevolent dictatorship
>Ghaddafi went off the deep end and started being oppressive.
>still doesn't see the fundamental problem of benevolent dictatorship
go back to /pol/ retard.
>>706940593
Is there even one dictator that didn't go "off the deep end?" kek
even a computer would start fucking up after awhile
>>706940420
Lol, they wouldn't move out of state dude, they'd move out of the country. This is already happening in our world, more regulation isn't the answer. Half our shit is made in China because it's so cheap to manufacture there.
You speak as though companies are a negative thing for communities to have, tell me what jobs will be created when companies have to share their profits for essentially existing in this community.
Because in case you don't realize, if a factory that would employ 10000 suddenly opened, the people would gain a hell of a lot more benefit than negatives.
And what you're proposing is a tax btw. Call it whatever you want, but charging businesses a percentage of profits for operating within a community is taxation.
>>706940951
good, let china manufacture our shit. who cares?
manufacturing won't even look the same in ten years. fuck that noise.
>>706941036
Yeah but we don't have the luxury of knowing what's going to happen in ten years.
Why not benefit our people now by giving them jobs? Why let China have such a good trade balance with us? On the global scale it creates dependence, on the domestic scale it creates poverty.
>>706941206
we do know what's going to happen. we're preparing for it. clinton talked about it at the debate. manufacturing is changing as a whole. we need re-training and re-education (not college degrees, just education) now.
>>706929257
>US is one of oldest countries
>Forgets England, Spain, France, Russia, China and Japan existed before colonies were even thought of
Kys
>>706941467
Its not enough to just say "Clinton explained it", if you know exactly what's going to happen, tell me.
And you may as well propose a solution for the millions of working class citizens who would lose jobs because of your lax attitude to trade and manufacturing.
By the way, I hope you realized by now your "industrial democracy", would only make this current problem worse.
>>706940951
>And what you're proposing is a tax btw. Call it whatever you want, but charging businesses a percentage of profits for operating within a community is taxation.
No dude. This is a typical anti-taxation type of deflection meant to belittle the idea being presented. You simply abhor the idea of the people having a say as to what should be acceptable in their commmunities.
>if a factory that would employ 10000 suddenly opened
there will never be factories like this again, frankly. We're still talking about less than a thousand jobs, even in a large area.
>You speak as though companies are a negative thing for communities to have
they have been, particularly when they tend to dominate an entire economic landscaoe, pay shitty wages, make sweet backroom deals and move out using taxation as an excuse.
>more regulation isn't the answer
actually having less regulation is precisely why companies are moving out of this country, so no. You're obviously very enamored with the concept of libertarianism. :)
>>706941600
most of those countries have changed governments or have been occupied since their inception, faggot.
you'tr going to tell me japan today is the same country it was a thousand years ago?
fuck off you idiot
>>706941600
>taking the bait
>>706941671
manufacturing is going the same was as music amd books. it will be done at local centers instead of mass produced. no more factories. metal too, of course.right now it's mostly plastics. metal has already been figured out, just needs to be standardized and we need to make some progress in recycling the materials
well, some shit will remain i suppose. things that don't change, like a shovel.
>>706941671
right now, powerful people decide what gets produced and what doesn't. the same way they used to decide what books are published, what music is released.
these powerful people fear the same thing happening with manufacturing. they are trying to stop this trend.
trump is on their side.
>>706941831
I'll address you're first point since it was the only one worth while, the rest was one big strawman.
Taxation is forced altruism. I'm not against tax as a whole concept, but a system based in taxation requires everybody in that system to be a moral saint. Obviously we know that humans aren't al, saints.
This is why capitalism is such an excellent system; it plays to mans self interest. If there is a demand for a product or service, someone takes the initiative to provide it. An entrepreneur. The goods or service is exchanged for money, and both parties are happy.
Now if that situation happened in your world, there would be a third party, WHO DID NOTHING IN THST TRANSACTION, saying "yeah we want a cut of that money too". For what, exactly? They did no work, took no risks, yet they demand some of the entrepreneurs money. You think that's justifiable?
>>706942236
You don't understand economics. These "powerful people" you speak of, are business owners. They decide what to produce based on PUBLIC DEMAND. They aren't some shadow cabal illuminati organization, they want to make money.
They decide what products to make based in what people will buy. It's basic fucking economics.
I don't know where you're getting this idea of "they decided what books to publish", but I think you gotta take off the tinfoil dude.
>>706941671
an mount of money is put into something getting produced because they expect to make even more money selling it, enuogh money to pay off the people who work on the factory floor and also enough to keep for themselves by selling the things produced at a higher cost than it costs to produce it, including man hours. plus whatever it took to R&D the thing produced, in the long run.
the middle man's roll will be diminishd, with a focus on design and R&D now rather than moguls with money.
you can see why that scares them.
>>706942547
yes, of course it's based on what they think public wants. but they're often wrong. we don't need that any more.
the reason why it was necessary is because we couldn't just make one batman action figure. we need to make 100,000 to justify the costs of molds and shit like that.
you couldn't print a single book for someone. that book would cost $10,000 after setting up the printing press and shit.
we don't need either system any more.
>>706928615
Well... we know who you are voting for.
>>706942760
Oh sorry, I forgot we elected you "speaker of the public", you clearly know what we want.
>>706942547
>>706942760
because you seem a little dim, maybe i should spell it out for you.
eventually we'll get to the point where we are producing exactly the number of things that people want to buy, no more no less.
if someone doesn't want a thting that's been designed, it will just not get prpoduced. but if even one person wants it, exactly one will be produced.
this system is infinitely better all around. better for the environment, cheaper for consumers, more variety of products.
>>706942871
>>706942964
yeah, i thought i'd have to expand on that
>>706942368
>This is why capitalism is such an excellent system; it plays to mans self interest
Yeah. to a few men's. Hahaha. Jesus.
>>706942368
No dude, you still refuse to address the actual point: why shouldn't people have industrial democracy?
It's been explained why money isn't the reason. Why do you want corporate tyranny?
>>706937543
>Trump has said he won't take a salary as president.
>Trump has said
>>706942964
What you're talking about is called market equilibrium. A theoretical point on a supply and demand graph; it is essentially unobtainable.
You're arguing for something that is impossible dude. Manufacturers can't know that one person wants this specific kind of toy, they produce whatever is in the biggest demand, and that person who wanted this imaginary toy, will buy the substitute product.
Like you said, I could just be a bit dim but you're arguing for a utopia, what you say doesn't happen in the real world.
>>706942964
>>706942871
and also we'll get closer to getting EXACTLY the thing we want and need, not a close approximation, a thing that 1000 people will buy but may not be exactly right for 30% of them.
if you can't see how this system is better, i don't know what to tell you.
the only people who suffer are the powerful people who want to remain decision makers.
>>706943335
that's the whole point, idiot. with advanced manufacturing, 3d printing, etc, we can do exactly that. we don't need to know what people will buy. they'll buy what they want and it will be produced on the spot.
i can't explain it any better to you. i'm sorry.
>>706943130
Jesus Christ dude it's not hard to understand, the economy will be stagnant under this retarded system of yours.
I asked you what incentive businesses had to stay in this type of system, and you said "what they always have".
BUT THATS WRONG YOU MORON.
Taxing businesses for simply operating under this system is suicidal, what is keeping them here?
>>706943335
>>706943421
there will be a lot more "designs" and people will get paid for their design work. you'll have essentially infinitely more choices than you do now, down to color variations and type of materials.
maybe you'll pay more for sturdier versions or better materials.
people will be hired to exactly design the next chair they purchase.
it will look a lot like pre-industrial revolution but with modern products and technology.
>>706943421
Lol okay, so you're arguing for a theoretical possibility that you have no evidence to support.
Sure, I'd agree with you if what you were saying was actually possible. But we can just 3D print whatever we want? That's retarded.
>>706943531
>the economy will be stagnant under this retarded system of yours.
again, no it won't, this is a bare assertion
basic supply and demand will still not change
and communities will function locally
you are retreating back into the same stagnant argument, actually.
>BUT THATS WRONG YOU MORON.
replying like some grumpy Republican dad doesn't make your bare assertions any less.
The bottom line is you don't want people to have the power to make decisions regarding their communities. You think business should.
>Taxing businesses for simply operating
and I have had to explain to you why this is not a "tax" and you are again retreating into lolbertarian bullshit.
>>706943704
it's there right now you colossal faggot.
look up 3d printing.
fuck i've seen them in action. there was a tech show here a couple months ago, you got yourself made into an action figure on the spot. they had cameras that figured out your dimensinos and made you a plastic action figure toy of yourself right there.
this is not theoretical. it's just not yet common.
>>706928615
Tl;dr
Freedom is the enemy of progress. I'll take freedom any day.
>>706943762
You're not refuting any of my points, you're just saying "lol u dumb".
I gave evidence to support my assertion the economy will be stagnant, there's nothing stopping entrepreneurs from moving elsewhere.
And your resulting to ad hominem attacks whenever I use the word "tax" makes me think you were raped by taxes as a child or something, why does it trigger you so much?
What your proposing is a tax. Call it whatever you like in your imaginary system, I've explained what taxation to you is already, I'm not doing it again.
>>706943704
https://pinshape.com
this shit is happening. people are freely sharing designs right now, but i imagine there will be a per use liscense type of thing eventually.
it's happening with metal already too, not just plastic.
>>706943840
Lol I know 3D printing exists nigger, but I'm saying you're proposing a future utopia to solve the problem we have now.
Let's assume everything you're saying is true, believe me I'd be happy, it sounds like an awesome future with intellectual innovation generating the most capital, but the question is; how far away is it and what do we do now?
>>706939420
Meaning despite these things, America is still the greatest country on the planet.
No, I'm not delusional.
>>706944087
i wouldn't call it a utopia. we've already had it, pre-industrial revolution,
you go see someone who's good at making a bow and he makes you a bow.
the problem is technology outpaced the casual producer being able to make stuff. it made stuff better, for the most part, and cheaper of course, than he could make something.
so yeah, i wouldn't call it a utopia, just shedding of the bloated middle man licking his fingers hoping to make money by controlling the points of production, freeing up more money for everyone else.
we need education and training now to prepare for it, money diverted to investment in R&D for it
otherwise some other country is going to beat us to it.
>>706928615
Ghadaffi was going to sell oil in currencies other than the US dollar so the US fucking destroyed Libya over it.
>>706943943
Let's rephrase the question:
Why are you opposed to the people having less of a say in a community than a business that moves there?
Stop avoiding the topic.
>>706944130
there aren't still slaves.
though woudln't it be funny if like somewhere deep in texas there still were?
it did take a couple decades to fully go away.
>>706941831
>less regulation is precisely why companies are moving out of this country
This so goddamned much.
>Taxation is forced altruism.
Firstly, no it's not. By its very definition altruism can't be forced, as is ceases to be altruism.
Secondly. Take from system, give to the system. Let's cover this in...
>WHO DID NOTHING IN THST TRANSACTION
How does said product reach said consumer? Could it be that the product is shipped through an infrastructure that is paid for and maintained by taxes?
How do we know said "entrepreneur" will ensure their product is safe for consumption?
Regulation enforced by taxation.
And so on, and so on.
It's like you don't have any clue as to how the economy works.
>>706944431
Lol, nice try again at a strawman.
What I'm arguing is that people have no right to the profits of a private entity. Sure the company could have a community council and work with the community, but they deserve exactly 0% of the businesses profits.
>>706944408
Pretty much this. The US still only has any real economic power because of the petro-dollar system
>>706944563
Shit. Below second line is meant for.
>>706942368
>>706928615
>A good dictatorship would be better than bad democracies, communism, socialism.
First you fuckin prick, communisme and socialism aren't political regim like a democracy, a dictartoship or a monarchy.
Second, any weel working political regime works better than any bad one, fuckin idiot.
The problem is not the system, it's the human nature. You can still debate on what's best and what's not, it doesn't matter, you gotta educate people to be good and smart enough human beings, that's all.
>>706944621
>What I'm arguing is that people have no right to the profits of a private entity.
Not very successfully you haven't, lol
>strawman.
no it isn't. You refuse to actually address the issue, and keep pushing the status quo even after your objections have been addressed.
And you've still have yet to give a reason why you are opposed to people having industrial democracy. Because it it might hurt your rich buddies is not an argument. :)
>>706944563
Read the whole thread before jumping in like a tard.
I said taxation is necessary, we were arguing about this guys made up "industrial democracy" system in a community level.
You're argument on altruism is just semantics, my point still stands.
>less regulation
If businesses can operate with less expenses here than in China, why would they move to China? I'm not talking about worker conditions and shit, I mean economic incentives.
Deregulating domestic businesses with a sound Union structure in place already while at the same time imposing tariffs (which I believe I forgot to mention), encourages businesses to stay.
>>706935605
This is a sad truth, although there are some great people in California. New York is generally full of assholes esp in NYC.
This is of course just my experience though so it doesn't really mean anything.
i think we can all agree we need SOME regulation and SOME taxation to keep the economy running and the people safe and exploited as little as possible.
the focus should be on an across the board look into all these regulations now that the world has changed so significantly.
also sunset expirations on all things, including laws, so people have to put their name on it again and again.
>>706943943
Lol u dumb
>>706944908
>You're argument on altruism is just semantics, my point still stands.
Except it doesn't. Taxation has nothing to do with morality.
>why would they move to China?
>economic incentives
Short-term incentives at that. If you cause unemployment in your targeted markets, they will become unable to purchase your product.
>>706945774
plus the internet had put everything under a micropscope now. the days of just doing shit without getting heat for it are over.
>>706945774
>Taxation has nothing to do with morality.
What the hell, you think no system should provide its people basic needs ? Of course tax has to do with morality, it's how government works and how system holds.
i'm voting that politician should be round up like cattle with their hands tied behind their backs and shoot each and every motherfucker in the face.
law of the jungle is still the best and most accurate way to weed out the weak & ensure the survival of the fittest. all forms of totalitarism (socalism, democracy, nationalism, communism) only benefits the runt of the litter creating a society full off pussywhipped faggots
>>706934937
You just got b8'd son.
>>706946272
people like you, posting this shit on an anymous website devoted to anime, would be literally the first ones killed or enslaved if society falls.
fuck off
>>706946134
but mah monies, da gov takes mah monies
>>706928615
it's pretty obvious from human nature that absolute power corrupts absolutely.
>>706937053
>having a gun doesn't stop shit
>still took armed and trained police
>armed
>going to a range doesn't help
>trained
nice post. brilliant work.
>>706946366
>i watch chinese kids cartoons
you don't know me, what i do or what kind of person i am. you just assumed i'm just like you.
that's a sure sign of being a stupid weakling, which i'm not going to assume you are, unless you wish to prove otherwise.
>>706929257
So many people falling for this bait, how?
>>706947135
>So many people falling for this bait, how?
Because it looks exactly like the typical /pol/ opinion.
>>706947135
Hitler is fucking sexy, man. Don't you want to bone that bony ass?
>>706936752
Then that just makes you an autistic retard who couldn't handle owning a weapon without going crazy and murdering people. That's speaks more about you than it does about people who own weapons.
