I really dont get how people dont understand how two buildings being hit by very large air buses at speeds near 600mph and a third building that burned for 7 hours couldn't collapse on their own without the government being involved.
Only the pulled-porks!
>>704748693
Fucking idiots don't believe that the government was in on it
Open your eyes
>>704748693
Ok.
Ain't my job to convince you.
Have a nice day.
>>704748693
The Towers were built to withstand bigger airplanes. Additionaly the basement is constructed to withstand a lot of more weight than the weight falling down because of the weight. Another thing is if it would fall down without Explosion it would fall on right or left but it falled just down what needs months of planning for explosive experts.
>>704749154
>>704749238
Yes it was an inside job
>>704748693
The government allowed it to happen though.
>>704748693
the people that built the WTC have even said during construction controlled demolitions were placed in the towers so that they could break away and contain a fire if it was on the upper floors after evacuating people. thats most likely what went off
Melt steel can't fuel jet beams
>>704749427
i could believe this, its actually plausible but fucking controlled demolition... give me a fucking break.
>>704750143
Try to weaken one side of a Tower, it won't Fall down. It will Fall on the weakened side. Look Videos of controlled Explosions (and some which gone wrong) and you will see its same
>>704749154
>What is Kinetic energy
>>704750458
it would be different if it only weakened one side. but it cut through the core of the building, which held the floors and the millions of pounds of concrete and steel above. it doesn fall perfectly down either, it starts to tilt then rights itself and gravity did the rest. if that was a controlled demo it was the worst one in history
Are you guys honestly fucking kidding? I'm so sick of all you faggets believing that the government had any part is this terrible attack on the United States. Why would our government want to harm its own people and destroy there infastructure. You guys all need to wake the fuck up dumb fucks
>>704751433
Operation Northwoods. Who gives a fuck about human lives when he wants to start a war
>>704749488
Source that
>>704752022
he cant, its bullshit
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=d45_1320106542
>building 7 was fine
>collapsed for no reason
>>704749341
Did you learn English from sugar packets during the boat ride?
>>704749341
>understands complex government coverups, engineering, physics, and controlled destruction techniques
>absolutely no grasp of the English language
>>704749341
Are. . . You okay anon? Did you have a stroke? Hold on, I'm calling 911 for you, an ambulance will be there soon.
>>704753076
kek
>>704748693
Clearly a United Airlines Boeing 767-200 painted in the Battleship Grey livery and mistaken for a missile.
>>704749154
I wish I was as ignorant of physics as you. God darn the education system, teaching people things so they understand how wrong other bullshit is.
>>704751433
>wage war
>allowing toxic fast foods to go unregulated
>allow firearms
>ignore healthcare plans
>not harming to its own people
Do you now see why people could even consider it?
>>704748693
Okay even if they did collaspe because of the planes then how did WTC 7 collapse?
>>704748693
People who believe this very much want to live in a world where SOMEBODY is in control. The idea that the US govt is full of normal, ordinary bureaucrats who fuck up sometimes, in departments that don't talk to each other because of professional jealousy, led by politicians who aren't much brighter than the average person (less in many cases), and that Mideast terrorists are just real-life trolls with no solid plan and nothing much to live for (and hardly any actual followers) is terrifying to them.
>>704754091
they could literally do any of those things without committing figurative national suicide. they do it now lol. so everytime we need to go to war we just blow a city up. what city blew up before Vietnam, dessert storm? Mogadishu ?
>>704752840
English is my 3rd language, so fuck off unless you can speak French and German too
>>704755109
> native english speaker make fun of people having english as second/third/fourth language, real heroes
>>704748693
Jet fuel can't melt steel beams you retard.
>>704748693
The second tower was hit at the top. Why the fuck would if fall down to the basement like a house of cards at free-fall speed?
It would mean every nail, screw, bolt, rivet, brace, girder, 2x4, 2x6, 2x10, subfloor, wall, ceiling, airvent, rug, piece of sheetrock, support beam and window provided 0.0 seconds worth of resistance as the "collapse wave" continued it's path of destruction through the area of most resistance.
>>704756012
the building is designed to hold up a static load. not millions of pounds falling through it. this is basic engineering.
>>704755597
The beams got smashed by the planes. Even though a car is harder than a deer, if a deer ran into a car at 500 MPH, the car would be demolished. And if the deer was loaded with jet fuel, destruction of the car would be certain.
>>704755597
you are right. but who the fuck said anything about it having to melt in order for it weaken and give way
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FzF1KySHmUA
>>704751433
Government needs LIVE slaves. Dead people can't generate any revenue to support the government.
>>704756245
There's 110 floors. If each floor could hold up for at least 0.25 seconds the "collapse" would take around 20-25 seconds. It fell down in 8.
>>704756245
If truthers understood anything about basic engineering, they wouldn't be truthers.
>>704756388
There were pools of still molten red-hot steel for weeks after.
>>704749154
maybe the hijackers had brought explosives into the cockpit?
>>704756527
then the floors didnt hold the weight for .25 seconds. and why would they. like i said only designed to hold static loads.
>>704756661
guess you never heard of architects and engineers for 9/11 truth
http://www.ae911truth.org/
Strange how searching for "truth" became an insult
>>704756527
Each floor would collapse more quickly, because the weight coming don would be heavier with each successive floor. Where does this .25 second figure come from? Are you somehow implying that gravity was sped up by explosive charges facing downwards? I'm certain that the 30th floor down, being hit with 30 floors worth of weight, would yield almost instantaneously. As would each floor below it.
>>704749154
In high school I had to explain to 5 friends why a 747 carries enough mass and inertia to fuck those buildings. I swear people who have never taken physics classes are the worst. They literally don't grasp shit like conversion of energy.
>>704756683
I know, I bought a souvenir jar of a quart of it. It's still liquified.
>>704749341
No they were built to withstand smaller planes at reduced speeds. Not the largest at the time going full throttle. The buildings were designed to withstand natural disasters and flying accidents, not a terrorist attack
>>704757052
I have heard of that small group of people who are wrong. Everyone else, including the VAST majority of architects and engineers, are NOT truthers.
>>704757086
the buildings were DESIGNED to withstand MULTIPLE hits from comparable sized aircraft.
jesus fucking christ, do I have to explain this to every fucking asshole in the country? do a goddamn google search
>>704757086
except.. it doesnt. are u a fucking proffesional engineer? nah didnt think so. are you a physicist? nah didnt think so. youre just a blue pilled retard who doesnt have a clue nor fo you give a fuck about thinking for yourself and finding out the truth. wake the fuck up. "omg if u were an engineer you would know trithers r dumb" oh ya?
http://www.ae911truth.org/news/199-news-media-events-60-structural-engineers.html
>>704757332
What does that plane weigh, loaded? Isn't it about 50 tons? I'm surprised that 50 ton objects hitting those towers at 500 MPH didn't knock them over.
>>704757455
And the design was inadequate for it.
when that happened?
>>704757187
>>704756388
google the 911 meteorite
>>704757542
well did you know the wtc towers weighed about 5000,000 tons? still surprised?
Man truthers are a real piece of work if they knew that all it takes is for steel to weaken and not actually fucking melt they would think differently.
>Bu- but anon the building was built to withstand aircraft collision
Yeah and theres something called speed, kinetic energy, mechanical vibrations and most importantly metal strength loss.
>>704748693
CIA know about it, didn do anything.
the buildings were blasted. u can see the explosion 20 flors under the collapsing building. and there is not a single skyscraper that collapst form burning except wct 7.
>>704756683
there is no proof that there was in fact molten "steel" at the site. a few witness testimonies and one photo of an orange "liquid" no way to prove it wasn't a different type of metal that had melted. fires burned for days under the rubble so it could have been all kinds of things. witness testimony isnt always the best. when the south tower first fell there were reports that a third plane hit the base of the tower. also thermite doenst continue to just burn and burn thats not how it works.
http://911myths.com/html/wtc_molten_steel.html
>>704757986
man youre a real piece of work. if u had half a brain in your head you could research it for 10-15 mins and know the real answer. but you dont THINK you have others decide for you.
>>704758048
I told you to google the 9/11 meteorite
>>704757455
it was designed to not be knocked over from the impact. the fucking guy who drew the plans for the buildings said that there was nothing that was put in place to prevent a collapse from a 747 almost cutting the building in half at full speed. it was designed to take an accidental hit , not full fucking throttle
>>704758464
Yeah and how do you think the twin towers fell go ahead?
Why do the second tower drop first when the first tower got hit first and was damaged substantially more
Why do people not see the bush family and bin ladin have been long times friends
Why do witnesses and police officers, firefighters,and EMT workers say they heard multiple explosions after the plane had hit but right before the towers dropped
>>704758464
They only way they will change their minds, if they see people they respect admitting this on tv AND nobody laughing at them. You're right they don't think for themselves.
>>704758775
this an much more
>>704758775
because it was hit lower hence the damaged section was forced to hold a larger load. thats a pretty fucking great reason it fell first.
i just don't know what to think anymore
i feel like the only thing im cetain of now is the destruction was intentional
The Architect dude described it like titanic, Could not be Destroyed.. thats the only strange thing about it for my part.
>>704748693
because jet fuel cant melt steel beams
>>704758775
the United States worked with bin ladin for a good amount of time when it came to military operations in the middle east. bin ladin got pissed at us and turned on us later down the road. wow weird relationships with rebel fighters arent always the most stable.
What if the government WANTS you to think they did 9/11 so we don't realize that they are incompetent retards.
BUILDING 7; THE ANSWER!
Maybe though.. but this video sounds pretty convincing!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzsV-rehvhc
>>704759017
Well, it did provide the Neocons with a "new Pearl Harbor" to get the Patriot act passed and invade Afghanistan and Iraq, like they wanted to since the 90's, but that's just a coincidence.
>>704759431
ok
but planes
I want to know about the planes
REAL OR NO
because some of footage looks sketchy
but then that seems retarded to fake
>>704759396
the old building 7 argument
>what is ragging fire over 10 floors
>what is broken sprinklers
a steel girder on Floor 13 lost its connection to one of the 81 columns supporting the building. Floor 13 collapsed, beginning a cascade of floor failures. Very similar to how building 1 and 2 fell. Just took 7 hours because a plane didn't nearly cut it in half.
>>704758959
Thanks for answering one question douche if tower one was hit first and your dumb shit about weakened beams it should have fell first and yeah definitely controlled demo you'd have to be a fucking idiot to not see that o and what about the pentagon lol where the fuck are the wing marks or shit where the fuck is the plain itself o that's right it disengaged lmao or how the people on the flight that they fought the jackers but somehow these fuckers have been spotted around the world or how some had died 3 days before the flight took place lmfao fuckin sheeple man
>>704759657
yeah anon the planes were never there. it was all added in photoshop
ur all missing the obvious answer
>>704759826
that's stupid
photoshop can only edit images
>>704759657
I'm pretty sure the planes in NY were real. But, I've never saw plane wreckage at the Pentagon or in Pennsylvania. And I don't think any of the black boxes have been found.
>>704759752
are you fucking retarded? what dont you understand about a crippled structure holding up longer with less weight then a crippled structure with more weight
>>704759960
tru
Holy fuck people. This is entertaining. Can someone who is not sheeple explain what happened from a to z
>>704760067
but plane parts were found at the pentagon
>>704759960
thatsthejoke.jpg
>>704760194
Only small, unburnt, light pieces that can be picked up by hand. God knows why the pentagon personal were always photographed running with these. Where's the goddamn engines?
>>704760067
one theory is that the government shot it down because they noticed it started changing course to the white house. it actually seems pretty plausible
> ITT people defending their war hungry government. When you guys are old they will release the information it was fake or atleast an inside job. Like hundred of other things which everybody thinked it would be conspiracy
>>704759305
So that explains why bush got the bin ladin family out of the states right after the attacks lol and bush and the CIA helped start Isis and al Qaeda
>>704754677
Underrated post.
I work in gov. We are not competent enough to pull something like this off without being found out almost immediately
>>704752840
Kek
>>704755109
>speaking French
>proud of it
Being this gay
>>704760649
How many people were involved in the Manhattan project? How many involved in cracking the Enigma machine? How many leaks occurred then?
>>704760649
And so you here we are just connect the dots people how did you get control over a country known for its heroine exports and oil you start a fucking war so you can invade and take over
>>704748693
Nvm the towers. Building 7 - that's the big issue. A building never hti by a single plane, with only small fires, suddenly collapses at freefall speed.
And since that undeniably was a controlled demolition, it follows that the rest of the 9/11 events were rigged too.
Also, when the nation is under attack, the Pentagon has just been hit by a possible aircraft.... the secretary of defence is NOT out on the lawn, helping out with taking care of the injured. He's in a fucking safe room, assessing the crisis situaton.
>>704760429
http://www.911myths.com/html/757_wreckage.html
nice little gallery of plane parts all over the place
>>704760544
>got bin ladin out of the states after the attacks
kek
>>704754799
Literally can't do something figuratively
>>704757073
Literally nobody can literally grasp a concept.
>Itt we use words like 15 year olds
>>704754677
I'd rather live in a world where everything shitty that happens are entirely due to incompetence
that was the world i lived in as a kid
i mean it's true to an extent but you can still have a bad motive and fuck up
point is i wanna be a kid
>>704761133
Where's the fuselage? Where's the stabilizer? Where' s the tail, wings, luggage, bodies, 2 9-ton engines, the fuel?
>>704761133
>>704760649
>>704754677
True, people cant handle the fact that sometimes fucked up shit happens and that we are not the unstoppable nation that we think we are. same thing with JFK, they cant accept that some no name dude with a gun killed the president. "THERE HAS TO BE SOMETHING BIGGER GOING ON!!!"
>>704748693
Same m8
>>704751433
Improper use of the word "there" pal. I think you meant to use "their". Your argument is invalad.
>>704761466
inside the building? i mean flight 93 pretty much vaporized on impact.
>posts one photo from 300 yards away
>SEE SEE NO PLANE
>>704749341
>>704757332
>>704757455
Wait. What the fuck? They design towers to tank fucking airplanes?
>>704761067
And right in that part of pentagon near no people where. And right at this day were air exercises. and the two were insurance some months before. And before Crash there were works in tower and whole areas were not to entry and right in that time there were no explosion sniffing dogs in the whole history of the Towers. Etc etc etc
I don't believe in conspiracy theorist but this shit is such obvious that many people don't believe it
>>704761608
one of the last government investigations concluded Oswall didn't act alone and there was a conspriacy
The tower collapse was faked and soundstaged. They didn't actually collapse. Open your eyes, retards. The photos are so clearly photoshopped it's painful.
>>704751433
Read history. False flag operations are a thing
>>704761608
It was actually an accidental shot from a Sc agent in the car behind trying to stand up in a moving vehicle to shoot back at the guy in the window it just seems shady because secret service couldn't take the wrap for accidentally killing jfk
>>704752840
>>704761911
The tower was designed to withstand an Boeing 770 which is 1.5x bigger than an 767
>>704754799
Mmmmmmm, a dessert storm. Sounds delicious!
>>704751433
Google up Operation Northwoods ...they already wanted to do it to legitimate invasion of Cuba
>>704755597
Look up tempering of steel. The more you know.
>>704762408
fucking cookie monster
>>704755597
But the planes would contain chemitrail tanks on board, who knows what temperature that shit burns at?
>>704754677
/thread
How many of you have ever been to ground zero or been inside the memorial?
>>704750130
kekked
People are too stupid to know what a plane's build actually is so they went
>Where's the plane? Where's the plane?
when their honeycombed and light materials crumpled together more than those people assumed.
Buildings are made out of exactly what corrupt businessmen said they were if someone is hastily slinging government conspiracies around. Ass-hole CEOs would NEVER use cheaper shit than what they officially claim.
Only materials matter to an idiot, anyway. positions of things and other factors shouldn't.
>>704748693
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nN3qUXJp7l0
This video does a great job a explaining everything we are saying
>>704756330
By your analogy , the planes would have to be the same size as the building ...
>>704762882
google plane wreckage
Steel flows at high heat. That's why it's sprayed with asbestos. Once it starts to fow it deflects, causing the building to lose its structural integrity
>>704762979
Remember when trolls used to actually try at all?
>>704762550
Maximum burn at 800Celsius and that wouldn't last for long, while the steel beams need around 1.4kCelsius minimum to start weakening.
>>704756527
>if
>>704759960
Shit... The next thing they'll be saying is that videos are made-up of multiple single images that can be edited...
>>704757475
Hey look! A website says something! It must be true because it says so!
But wait
>>704764731
Like god
>>704763451
Those were the days...
>>704764731
you could literally say this about every single piece of evidence for anything. evolution doesn't exist that evidence is just some shit on a website
>>704760429
>>704748693
Best movie ever 10/10
>>704762882
You obviously an conspiracy theorist for thinking ceo would make planes out of cheap material ...
>>704748693
It was the japs!
>>704748693
Just gonna leave this here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4qJ87g3Ub8
>>704764731
You are an conspiracy theorist for thinking the government is spreading wrong informations in the internet
>>704759320
scariest truth of all
>>704763983
So the jet fuel burning didn't start any additional fires? No carpet, desks, papers... none of that would then catch fire? Just the jet fuel and nothing else? Come on man, it's like you're not even trying!
>>704748693
Because people are apt to deny that there is realistically speaking no evidence that everything happens for a reason. All you need is a compelling or plausible story and people will believe it rather than being skeptical and demanding evidence - as Julius Caesar observed "...men more easily believe that which they wish to be true."
>>704753887
>>704757086
If you are so great
Then do the math and show us all instead of hiding behind your lies!
>>704766273
Office fire plus jet fuel can't melt steel beams
>>704759320
What if the government wants that you think there are conspiracy theorist? The word was spreaded after JFK assasination from CIA to diffame people who searched for evidence of involvation
>>704766469
>melt
Where does melt come into this? I love the meme, but truly, no one is saying they "melted"
Post the best documentary about 9/11
>>704762882
Anon you're right. China is less corrupt than us than us can't believe the twin towers collapse was actually due to capitalism
>>704766128
Holy shiet boys
Here we go
>>704766611
So then what happened? If they didn't melt what did they snap? You want me to believe steel just snapped in half????
>>704763983
>>704748693
In 1945 an armed B-25 flight into the Empire State building and it didn't collaps, but when an little passenger airplane flies in it it collapses?
Explain
>>704753237
>911
Triggered.jpg
>>704766273
You're just adding fuel to the fire
Jet fuel cant melt steel beams
>>704766866
But then you also have "experts" who say no its not possible at all
>>704766856
You want me to believe a tornado put a small piece of wood though a piece of concrete? Solid structures can't break from less solid things at high speed! They can't! Clearly the government did this!
>>704766866
And the buildings disintegrate into dust... That's normal. Nothing to see here.
>>704748693
Because conspiracy nutters live to lusten to Alex Jones and other wackadoos rather than applying logic and evidence. The conspiracies have been debunked countless times, but you can't fix stupid.
>>704766881
At 9:40 a.m., the aircraft crashed into the north side of the Empire State Building, between the 78th and 80th floors, carving an 18-by-20-foot (5.5 m × 6.1 m) hole in the building[8] where the offices of the National Catholic Welfare Council were located. One engine shot through the South side opposite the impact and flew as far as the next block, dropping 900 feet and landing on the roof of a nearby building and starting a fire that destroyed a penthouse art studio. The other engine and part of the landing gear plummeted down an elevator shaft. The resulting fire was extinguished in 40 minutes. It is still the only fire at such a height to be brought under control.[8]
40min fires, nothing near an collision. Explain
>>704766776
Towers would have stood fine without NonAmeri-poors crashing planes into them. Nice typing, by the way.
>>704767199
>pretty big dust
>>704767617
A small plane, not a Boeing 757
>>704767617
They don't build em like they used to
>>704751975
Also Gulf of Tonkin
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_of_Tonkin_incident
>>704767174
Clearly photoshopped Come back with better b8 next time
NIST & FEMA both admit that the fuel burnt on impact .Fires neither burned hot enough or long enough to weaken the steel columns .
>>704767725
Isn't it wild that's all that's left from two of the biggest skyscrapers in the world?? Everything else is dust.
Except for terrorist passports
>>704766866
Aluminium melts around 650, but even after a plane catches fire most of the monocoque remains due to the latent energy absorption from lower flame point materials, jet fuel won't even reach max temp in an uncontrolled media .
>>704767843
A plane armed with explosive and 2 engine which shot through the whole building
>>704748693
Clearly you do not understand civil/mechanical engineering. The towers were dedigned to survive that attack, and they did.
They were also dedigned to be implodable through controlled demolition, which they did.
Ressearch, if you really do care, controlled demolitions, and it will be obvious that this is what happened.
>>704748693
nice b9 m9 i r9 9 out of 9
>>704768173
Where were the controlled demolition explosions? Where were the pre-fall explosions? Why did the not collapse straight down, instead being spread over 7 miles of the city?
Why are you such a fucking idiot?
>>704768029
Steel does lose it's strength when heated. Combined weight of floors collapsing will and does cause an accordion effect that will cause an entire building to collapse.
>>704768173
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=877gr6xtQIc
>>704748693
>I really dont get
that's fine. people who aren't retarded do understand it.
what you can do now is study physics, metallurgy, and classical mechanics, and keep working at it until you have caught up with the rest of us.
>>704767991
Yes, too bad it was the floor supports that gave, you colossal moron.
>>704748693
Don't you know that everyone who posts on /b/ or /pol/ (especially /pol/) is a structural engineer, a demolitions expert, and a crime scene investigator? These are very serious and sober minded people we're talking about, not a bunch of teenagers posting half baked ideas and links to dubiously sourced evidence
>>704761895
>flight 93
>vaporized on impact
>plane shot down over ukraine few years back
>hit by a missile
>then crashed
>fucking debris and shit everywhere
explain why the "wreckage" for flight 93 was strewn over two sites, not exactly close to each other, if the plane crash landed
>>704768029
Why not?
Also, man... I don't understand how blacksmiths can bend steel!?
>>704749154
F=ma
>>704752840
>>704755109
this. fucking amerifats cry because people speak spanish in their country. 99% of them can't speak a second language fluently.
>>704748693
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>>704768645
>>704768645
it didn't crash land. It was shot down, and the first crash site was fabricated. it looks like 2 dudes and a tractor created it.
Every single 'fact' and 'claim' by everyone in this thread is debunked in these.
EVERY SINGLE ONE.
Fuck off.
https://www.youtube.com/user/RKOwens4/videos
>>704768721
It was the Saudis.
They needed oil prices hiked again.
>>704749238
If it was the government why would they attack the Pentagon
>>704757086
>high school
>>704764731
>look a a reporter said something on tv! it must be true!
>look a magazine article said something! it must be true
>i heard it on the radio! it must be true
>i saw it on tv! it must be true
>i read it in the paper! it must be true
This.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FzF1KySHmUA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7PpsCCTMP8w
for all you building 7 idiots.
>>704762258
No it fucking wasn't.
t. actual Structural Engineer.
>>704768549
No they didn't , they were designed to take multiple plane strikes and of 2000 F for several hours .
Stop spreading lies you stupid shill faggot
>>704767843
The plane 1/5 weight of the 767 made no damages at all although fire and after a few days they already reopened. But the 767 destroys the whole building kek
>>704748693
if jews didnt do 9/11, then how did they fake the holocaust? checkmate.
>>704768901
> a /b/tard said it, it must be true!
I just think the government new it was going to happen and let it to invade the middle east
>>704769001
https://www.google.ca/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#
>>704768483
But not as it did, the was concentrated initially at onesid corner, leading it tocollapse unevenly ,which it didtnot
>>704750505
this
and
>how does it scale with velocity?
>>704769286
>https://www.google.ca/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#
That link doesn't even fucking open anything.
Also you dip shits that think you understand how the property of steel works under even 500oF are a fucking joke.
>>704769179
>new
>>704768646
Because the HEAT and the FORCE is??
CONTROLLED
>>704769001
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pvEge5HPJU
>>704750143
Just look at many examples of controlled demolition, and then equal numbers of accidental failures of steel framed building failures.
You will find that there are NO accidental failures. Controlled demolition is the ONLY plausible explanation.
Don't do this unless you really want to know that. If you sre devoted to supporting the USA, it will cause you grief to know the truth.
Better for your psyche to comfortably deny facts. After all, you are rewarded by an endorphin rush when you deny actual facts, and maintain support for your chosen group.
Committing to learning the actual truth is painful. Why suffer in truth when you can practically orgssm by supporting lies?
>>704749154
yeah but jetfuel ..
>>704751433
Yeh I m with you, the fire k kicked down the bilding.
>>704769608
So something that isn't controlled couldn't possibly get hot enough to make something malleable.
>good one
>>704769001
http://www.historycommons.org/context.jsp?item=a022793skilling
Airplane impact tests conducted by WTC structural engineers during the design of the Twin Towers used the Boeing 707, which was one of the largest passenger jets in the world at the time. The results of the test, carried out early in 1964, calculated that the towers would handle the impact of a 707 traveling at 600 mph without collapsing.
Even though the two Boeing 767 aircraft that were said to be used in the 9/11 attacks were slightly larger than the 707, technical comparisons show that the 707 has more destructive force at cruising speed. The following analysis was compiled by 911research.net:
You seem to fucking suck at your job
>>704761466
in the building.
>>704769903
>calculations are never wrong
>>704760964
All
>>704769903
Engineers never get it wrong
>>704770083
>>704770286
How easily these fools will throw scientists under the bus when it doesn't match the governments narrative .
>>704769765
Not 2 identical buildings, hit at 2 different planes, on 2 different floors to have identical perfect results , no.
Ask anyone with half a physics brain or half a statistical brain
>>704770393
But someone did the maths! It must be true!
>>704769903
The two towers were the first structures outside of the military and nuclear industries designed to resist the impact of a jet airliner, the Boeing 707. It was assumed that the jetliner would be lost in the fog, seeking to land at JFK or at Newark. To the best of our knowledge, little was known about the effects of a fire from such an aircraft, and no designs were prepared for that circumstance. Indeed, at that time, no fireproofing systems were available to control the effects of such fires.
-Leslie Robertson lead structural engineer of the World Trade Center
https://www.nae.edu/Publications/Bridge/EngineeringandHomelandSecurity/ReflectionsontheWorldTradeCenter.aspx
In other words, they didn't envision a full load larger plane intentionally crashing into it... and they were guessing.
>>704770286
>>704770545
Oh but if this was a Moon hoax debate you'd on your sucking engineer dick and professing how they never get anything wrong .
>>704770393
How you blindly trust anything that you don't understand as long as it support your narrative.
Faggot
>>704770083
> Why invade a country when a Terrorist group did it?
If US terrorists attack russia, can russia then kill ur civilists and torture the people in terror prisons where little kids are raped in front of their parents? I don't think so. Deal with it that you guys are no Heroes, you are fucking villains participating in a glob war for Imperialism and ressources. You sure believe they nuked japan to end the war too. Faggot
US even made experiements which psycho soldiers, drug warfare and biological weapons at their own soldiers in the 70s. Years later after it came public a big fire destroyed all the documents
>>704750130
I love you
>>704770083
>Calculations are wrong
Texted from my pc in an virtual global network which is purely running on trillions of calculations ...
>>704770524
wow that looks indestructible
>>704770009
Nope when the fire was out, most pics show office furniture
>>704770696
You believe fairytales
>>704770527
Hmmm. Ok.
Hey, what happens when shit starts to come down? Why doesn't it just stop? Show me physics on this?
Ok, here are the results, as demonstrated on two identical subjects
Gravity sure is weird.
>>704770658
The plane was only slightly larger but much slower
Mass x Speed = power
>>704751975
$crew the next generation!! We need the military industrial complex to take off in the form of necessity through fear. Scare the citizens, build war machines, destroy, rebuild, charge war torn nations for the rebuilding. But this was the precursor.
>>704770894
Yes it was
>and after the blaze , no steel needed to be replaced
>>704770661
What does the moon have to do with structural engineers and mistakes? Like no building has EVER failed due to improper calculations?
>>704751433
The government is staffed by people. These people have personal needs that are not the needs of the government.
When opportunities to use their government positions surreptitiously serve themselves, at the expense of government purposes, some government officials do that. This is called corruption and graft, and George Washington and Thomas Jefferson warned that this would happen.
It happens, and 9/11 was a clear example.
>>704771138
wow and a plane didnt even hit it that time, neat!
>>704770716
What does that have to do with civil engineering?
Zero?
>fights fact that people make mistakes when designing things with war anecdotes
>doesn't comprehend logic
>>704771203
Name another building that failed due to fire not on sept 11 2001?
>>704770870
You're right. Engineers are always right. The titanic was unsinkable. I retract my statement.
>>704771093
they were guessing and they didn't expect an intentional attack... your source has never been properly sourced btw... it says a "white paper" yet I've never seen proof that it was made to stand up to 600mph.... Leslie Robertson has always said it was modeled after the fog empire state building crash.
>>704771328
Ok dum-dum . Burned hotter . Burned longer .= no damage to steel
>case closed
>>704753887
two things.
the tail would have sheered off as is designed to do
also those engines were not designed to fly at that speed at that altitude, without ripping themselves to fuck.
also KYS
>>704771398
a gas truck crashed underneath it... it burned for 20 minutes
>>704771462
The Titanic( Olympic) was skuttled for the insurance money
>>704771398
Ok, here is only one of many
>>704771579
fire proofing was still there. almost like a massive explosion from a 500 mph plane didnt hit it.
>>704754677
Or,more terrifying is the concept that extremely competent people have used commonly known techniques to profit immensely from immoral acts.
>>704771398
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7PpsCCTMP8w
>>704771364
Go Support your troops torturing people and raping kids at the other end of the world by defending freedom by invading other countries.
Or maybe just stay the fuck out of other countries and use your military only if someone actually knocking on your door.
US population is too stupid and to easily manipulated. False Flag paired with patriotism are already an big part of history of US politics.
>>704771701
You're so dumb that you don't even know what a steel structured building is
>>704771065
Dubai sulafa fire?
Why is it still standing ?
Maybe thuh Arabs have physics defying steel beams...
Buy American !!!
>>704771615
"the tail would have sheered off as is designed to do"
>> Implying that it would work the way it was supposed to with 0 previous incidents to compare it against
"also those engines were not designed to fly at that speed at that altitude, without ripping themselves to fuck."
>> Most things are designed to go above standards as a safety net, even aspirin has a safety net of how much you can take before it kills you
You can see how the steel bent at the 9/11 museum.
>>704771701
obviously thermite
>>704748693
To confuse the issue for several reasons. Definitely the pancake scenario. These buildings arent built to withstand that type of loading. Was the gov involved? It dosent depend on whether jet fuel can melt steel beams or if the buildings structure was already sabotaged(which it wasnt).
>>704770286
RIP DOGGO xx
>>704771928
doesn't matter.... fuel + fire + time = noodle steel
>>704771810
explosion you dim-wit
>>704771982
two stone wall, incontrovertible facts.
fuck off
>>704755109
I can tbh try me
>>704772124
See>>704771138
Hotter longer fire= no damage
>game over
>>704768173
Idiot! Toppling them over onto other buildings would be a much worse scenario, not causing them to collapse (as designed) straight down.
>>704772164
Oh right, there was NO EXPLOSION in the towers!!!!!!????
Fucking retard.
>>704771364
You niggas are like those religious people. As long as science fits you use it. If it doesn't fit anymore, you just say 'oh, well tin foil'
I already showed that you have no idea. You say you have an degree and its wrong, 10 sec later i Google it up and its actually true, then comes argument 'calculations can be wrong' then you say again something scientific. Debate with someone else if you dont have an clear string. Since i dont live in US I dont have to be scared to live in one of your bs buildings
>>704771978
Or maybe we learn from the past? I mean... decades of advancements can't mean a thing.
>>704771919
What are you going on about?
>>704749154
Don't forget about speed retard
>>704757542
Probably closer to 750,000 to 850,000 pounds
>>704771985
It's a lie!
Clearly Bender from futurama did this.
>>704771767
Truth
>>704772164
So now the controlled demolition isn't an explosion?
You can't even keep your Truther arguments straight.
>>704762121
Start with The Prince by Machiavelli and the Secret Histories of Procopius.
>>704771903
I bet it was that damn fire.
>>704762757
Going this winter
>>704771203
>scientists are infallible when it comes to debunking Christianity
>engineers are infallible when it comes to debunking moon landing hoaxes
>lol but when it comes to 9/11 you just can't really count on 'em because certainly nobodies perfect right?
>>704772716
Thanks . Did you know the "Titanic" was the only steel hulled ship to sink due to a iceberg...sound familiar?
>>704749154
>2016 and still this dumb
>mfwihavenoface
>>704772357
Natural gas has an expansion percussion rate up to 20 times the rate of aviation fuel, much stronger.
>>704772436
I never said I have a degree.
What the fuck are you saying?
I have no idea that humans CAN make mistakes?
Shit.
You know why truthers never play sound when they show you buildings being demolished?
watch this... this is why
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79sJ1bMR6VQ
So they had to come up with some super secret demolition thermite stuff that has never been proven to exist.
>>704772955
Nice b8 mate
>>704772846
All three towers withstood the plane strikes . Do you even understand the fairy tale you're defending?
>>704772529
About the reason why it was made. Otherwise US wouldn't have killed near 2 Million civilians and invades a whole country just to get one lousy terrorist.
(Beside the fact they were saudis and not iraqis)
>>704773060
And there was definitely no natural gas in those buildings, definitely not being pumped to the restaurants in the top. They cooked with microwave only.
>>704749238
>implying the government could hide a secret this big this long
>15 years later
>Massive conspiracy
>Hundreds or thousands of people in on it
>Presidents, Pentagon, high ranking military officials
>Airline companies
>NASA
>literally every single corporation related to military, government and aerospace in on the conspiracy
>Not one person has squealed yet
Yeah, OK. Totally a government cover up
>>704773223
You don't remember them NY firefighter saying it went "Boom!Boom! Boom!Boom!".
This is day one shit
>>704750130
diamonds are the hardest metal
>>704773418
I'll take what is electricity for 20
AT LEAST IT HELPED WITH THE POPULATION CRISIS!!!
-Figbar_Revolution
>>704773488
15 years? Like the fact fbi wrote less to Martin L King they would spread the lie he would be gay and such shit if he doesn't shut up? That took much longer
>>704773669
Kekker
>>704773293
Actually yes. The plane strikes did not bring down the buildings, nor did I claim they did. Everything after is all direct and indirect. The engineers did design a building that would withstand impact, as we saw. Subsequent fires and aftermath were the contributing factors.
Thank you for proving my point for me. Appreciated.
>>704773619
Like the CIA supporting drug cartels and weapon traders for decades to destabilize governments?
>>704773661
yeah and no camera happened to capture that sound?
None?
>>704773328
Why what was made? Material buildings representing corporate greed?
>>704773619
NSA CIA FBI Black Ops
Yeah , who they gonna squeal to and live .
>go to bed you twelve year old
>>704756012
This. Physics ftw
>>704756245
You seem to deny that these structures were specifically designed for airplane impacts. They were. You also seem to ignore that Bush claimed they'd never even thought of airplane impacts, which is not ignorance on his part, but a lie. Bush lied numerous times, as did Cheney. This lying was systematic, and all coordinated to undermine the controlled demolition facts.
This is a purposeful concealment of the controlled demolition. Take the red pill anon.
>>704762757
i went last December. One of the most sobering and saq places ive been.. I really want to go back to NYC, would definitely go back to see it
>>704773661
You don't think collapsing floors might go boom boom boom?
Nay, they would be silent.
>>704773829
Ahh but the fires are the weakest part of the fairytale
>>704773418
Grasping- - to cling in the hope that something saves you
>>704773984
And yet no truthers have been assassinated,
You'd think they'd be killing people working diligently to expose them, but nope, not a single person has disappeared yet by saying 9/11 was an inside job.
>>704773976
False Flag to justify an invasion of Iraq after iraqi government didnt want to accept dollar for their oil is the main reason. Beside war is business
>>704754677
words of wisdom, you da man
>>704756388
The pools of molten metal that remained red hot for weeks under the site.
>>704774115
nah bruh concrete and steel is quite stuff
>>704774001
Except that isn't true, the lead structural engineer has talked about it. Leslie Robertson
>The two towers were the first structures outside of the military and nuclear industries designed to resist the impact of a jet airliner, the Boeing 707. It was assumed that the jetliner would be lost in the fog, seeking to land at JFK or at Newark. To the best of our knowledge, little was known about the effects of a fire from such an aircraft, and no designs were prepared for that circumstance. Indeed, at that time, no fireproofing systems were available to control the effects of such fires.
>-Leslie Robertson lead structural engineer of the World Trade Center
>https://www.nae.edu/Publications/Bridge/EngineeringandHomelandSecurity/ReflectionsontheWorldTradeCenter.aspx
>>704774115
Please be stupid enough to claim "Pancake collapse".
>look forward to destroy you on that
>>704774296
No need to or? It's easier to diffame them by naming them tinfoil hat
>>704773968
A) That's not attacking your homeland, so why would they give a shit
B) obviously someone in on it has been saying something for it to be common knowledge for the last 20 fucking years
C) You truthers are all fuckwits
>>704774326
I've heard stories, I've heard claims, but not a single photo of this molten metal has ever been shown.
>>704774234
So what is the strongest?
If not fire; what? Controlled demolition?
Ok, not arguing for or against. Simply stating, metallurgy exists. Fire does make physical items weaker. Was it enough? Don't know. Can't say for sure. But one cannot say that the fires were not there and they were not raging causing massive damage.
>>704756467
Except through insurance and propaganda
>>704774504
>Hey looks these guys are starting to expose out illuminati inside 9/11 job, should we start silencing them?
>Nah fuck em we don't even care no more, besides, who will believe the goyim?
Seems legit. If there really was a huge cover up, you fuckers would be all dead by now.
>>704756661
The converse is true.
>>704774263
Just stating a fact mate. The natural gas didn't do shit, except maybe help fuel the fire. Not a big factor in the game.
Why can't you guys have a logical debate instead of jumping to thinking all counter points are an attack?
