why or why not should a 10mm glock 20 be my first gun /b/
not to kill myself with of course
>>703724902
10mm is a niche calibre. Sure you don't want something cheaper?
>>703724902
Glocks are for fucking pussies
Definitely not a caliber you should be thinking about for your first firearm. To be honest, if you've never fired a gun before, I'd recommend a .22 LR pistol or rifle just so you can learn basic targeting and form. If you're hellbent on defense caliber, I'd recommend a 9mm or a .380 to start with because there's a BIG difference between those and a 10mm. If you've never fired a handgun before, there's a chance with a 10mm that you could hurt yourself and/or hurt someone else. Also the only real reason you'd want a 10mm MOS Glock is if you're going to be hunting with it and/or defending yourself in the bush against bear/moose/big game.
>>703725253
First of of this. Second of all how many pistols have you shot? If less than 3 manufactures, how do you know this is the firearm you want to have? They all fit, feel, and shoot differently.
My initial response will be you should not buy that as your first gun because if you have to ask, you aren't ready.
>>703725253
Just how expensive is the ammo? I don't mind paying around $500 for the gun it self, but if the ammo is really THAT much of a pocket burn then eh.
>>703725472
I don't have sissy hands though I doubt I would fuck up that bad with a 10
Can you recommend a good starting pistol with cheap ammo then? One day I would like to own a glock 20, 10mm is just such a tantalizing caliber
I personally love Glocks, too. Especially for a first pistol. They are easy to clean, easy to disassemble, and easy to learn on. They do not have any manual safety of any kind and can be a bit iffy for carrying with a round in chamber (even though I carry with a round in my 43 when I do carry it concealed) I highly recommend Glocks. They also won't break your bank as much as an HK, let alone a SIG.
>>703725472
>.22 LR pistol
Any suggestions?
>>703724902
Because you're more likely to kill yourself with a gun than saw your own throat out with a knife
>>703725634
9mm is going to be the cheapest and the most prevalent in terms of defense caliber. You can't beat the bulk prices. Although right now with .40 S&W being phased out, you can find some great deals on .40 cal pistols and ammo.
>>703725634
10mm ammo is way more expensive than 9mm.
but you probably will never shoot it anyway so who cares?
>>703725634
I would advice S&W Shield. Or if you have a few $$$ check out the Springfield XD line. I personally own, and love my XDMod2. Kinda sucks as a ccw but amazing to shoot, and intimidating in a holster. I'm saving up for an XDS for my ccw.
>>703725935
Absolutely. You CANNOT go wrong with a Walther P22. That pistol will always remain one of my favorite pistols I've ever owned. I own two of them haha. Also the Ruger 22/45 and Mark III are great pistols as well but I'm thinking you'll like the feel and look of the Walther more.
>>703725935
whatever you think looks cool. its a .22, not going to be doing anything mission critical so who cares?
fuck .22 though id get a 9mm.
>>703724902
what is the point of buying a gun besides hunting?
>>703726073
>I would advice S&W Shield
I carry shield on ankle and full size on hip. love em. I'd prefer to not get glock leg.
>>703726073
dont get a shield i have one, they suck. dont get a sub compact it would be a horrific first gun, get a full size or if you have small hands maybe a compact.
small guns are much harder to shoot well / learn to shoot well.
seriously shit advice here.
>>703726073
I'd recommend the Springfield XD line over the M&P S&Ws. I have not had great experiences with them but to each their own.
>>703726174
What is 'glock leg' anon?
>>703726158
Social work. And shooting is fun
>>703726158
You've obviously never been to a shooting range lol shits fun bro
>>703726202
I agree completely with this statement. Haha I hate the M&P series shields.
>>703726237
glocks have no safety, so people sometimes shoot themselves in the legs holstering them.
OP if you are for real you need to ask on /k/ not fucking /b/.
seriously what are you doing nigger
>>703726158
Self defense
Fun
Suicide
Robbing
etc
>>703725935
Rugar Mark 3 is a great pistol but a motherfucker to get back together after cleaning. Great gun with great balance with the bull barrel. I love mine to death.
>>703725945
Okay I might be out of the loop with guns and ammo but 40 being phased out? I'm going to do my research before I call bullshit. Also OP the 40 cal is 10mm shortened because 10 mm was too powerful for weak fuckers.
>>703726241
>>703726288
never shot a gun in my life and im 21. what does it feel like?
>>703726237
Glock leg I believe is referring to the fact that most Glocks (other than the 42 and 43) are double stack pistols built like bricks. I love em. But they are not easily concealable even in the sub compact range with the 26/27 etc.
>>703726202
shield ankle guy here. I generally carry the shield as a backup or to arm someone else with. You're right though, they are harder to shoot.
>>703724902
I would take it.
It looks cool and isn't obnoxiously unneccesary like an AR-15.
>buy .22 pistol because "its a good first gun" meme
>should have just bought a 9mm instead
Seriously, fuck whoever tells you to get a fucking .22 first.
>>703726307
that too.
>>703726158
because they are legal and I want them.
>>703726202
What sucks about your shield? I use to do assembly in Springfield (MA) at S&W. Generally speaking the only reason I don't own it because it doesn't feel very comfortable in my hand. Other than that it fires fine, easy to clean and dis+ass, and the test pistols get 10,000 rounds ran through them in succession. Not to mention S&W's best selling product.
>>703726432
>what does it feel like?
There's recoil. And it's loud. But fun when you hit things
Go to a range and rent some and shoot them
>>703724902
You should cause you never know when a bear is gonna sneak into your bedroom at night
>>703726473
You sound like someone with a small penis. No offense. I can do some serious damage with my .22 pistols. Quiet as hell and just as accurate.
>>703726432
feels like shooting a gun.
go to your local range and rent a gun.
>>703726594
she's going to cook that barrel
>>703726432
Uh, idk I mean it's not like you're missing out on a LOT, but shooting an AR-15 (because they're easy to shoot) or just a random side arm is something you should try at least once. Going to a shooting range and renting a gun isn't much money, could have a few hours of fun for nothing (depending on how much ammo you get) plus taking friends/chicks makes the experience even more fun.
>>703726619
>>703726594
>lives in canada
>way up north
no guns i know of in 400km range
>>703726432
You feel powerful. I've never felt more powerful and in control than when firing my 12 gauge
>>703726609
Plus they're cheaper to buy and operate. If you want to punch holes in paper or beer cans a 22 is great
>>703726699
I love my ARs. Daniel Defense baby.
>>703726535
it sucks compared to any decent full sized gun. it's fine for CCW.
OP didn't ask for a good sub compact he asked for a first gun, getting a sub compact as your first gun is fucking stupid. i mean super fucking stupid.
i can put 10 in a dime at 10 yards with my PPQ, I can't do that at 5 years with my shield. the gun sucks for anything but CCW.
cmon people, think
>>703726718
How do you live in the wilderness and not have a rifle or something?
>>703726797
exactly. I love my .22s. Ammo is cheap and plentiful and they're just plain fun. Completely agree.
>>703726839
What is your #1 first pistol choice?
>>703726922
Glock 19
>>703726107
>its a .22, not going to be doing anything mission critical
.22 has a 40% 1 shot stop rate, anon
and you can magdump it like a wild chimp with the accuracy of nine-thousand times folded nippon steel
>>703726988
Don't glocks have a weird problem where the more you shoot them, the more the shells eject more towards your face
>>703726884
Between my .22 pistol and .22 bolt action there isn't much I can't fuck with while plinking. Of course the rugar 10/22 with the 30 rounder is fun but takes forever to load the mag
>>703726922
That or a used surplus Beretta 92. Which can be acquired even cheaper than the Glock 19 and will literally hammer nails for years and years with good upkeep.
>>703726307
>glock leg
>you mean 1911 leg
still doesnt mean glocks arent shit though
>>703726922
im the guy your replying to and it would be my PPQ.
>>703727005
yeah but would you rather be defending yourself with a 9mm or a .22?
IMO 9mm recoil isn't enough to deter someone just because they have never shot before.
>>703727121
Ahhh I love my Ruger 10/22. Although I'm partial to my good ol bolt action Savage Mark II though. I LOVE that rifle.
>walter PPQ
>glock 19
>baretta 92
Which one is it?
>>703727174
but seriously OP, ask on /k/, where informed people will be replying to your thread.
>>703724902
>why or why not should a 10mm glock 20 be my first gun /b/
>Why
10mm is a potent round and the Glock 20 is one of the few doublestack 10mms still on the market.
>Why not
1: 10mm is a relatively expensive and hard to find pistol round so its not good to learn to shoot with.
2: 10mm has a pretty good amount of recoil so its not good to learn to shoot with.
3: Glocks are ugly as sin and they have mushy triggers.
I suggest you get yourself a fullsize 9mm instead, the ammo is cheaper, has less recoil and is plenty powerful for home defense.
>>703724902
H&K master race...... that's why
>>703727229
I have a tasco 42mm 4 power on my mark 2. Are we twins?
>>703727257
CZ 75
>>703727257
All are pretty decent choices.
>>703724902
I actually have a Glock 20, let me break this shit down.
Pros-
For all the epic le maymays on the internet about every gun company on Earth Glock actually does make a reliable firearm.
10mm if properly loaded (a lot of what you'll find in the stores isn't fully as powerful as it could be) is a goddamn cannon, equal in energy delivery to .357 Magnum. With Buffalo Bore hard cast rounds I don't fear any North American animal while innawoods.
The Glock 20 actually headspaces off the extractor. What that means is it can load and fire .40 S&W totally stock. The round is fully supported and will fit and feed out of stock 10mm magazines. I have done this for hundreds and hundreds of rounds, and it will eat dirty Tula steel case just like anything else.
Cons-
10mm is EXPENSIVE. For a box of cheap brass case 9mm you are looking at like 15 bucks for 50. You are looking at $35 for the cheapest reloaded brass case for 50 10mm cartridges. Defensive loads surpass a dollar a round for 10mm.
.40 S&W is pretty cheap right now, cheaper than .45 ACP in most cases. That's good FOR NOW. However, look at any used gun case and you will see 2 times or 3 times as many 40 S&W firearms in there than 9mm. I fear the 40 S&W memetrain will lose steam and you'll be stuck with a gun that can fire two expensive rounds.
The 20 is pretty heavy and pretty big. Just something to consider.
Of you wanted my recommendation lf a first handgun, get a 9mm unless you like to hike DEEP into the backwoods, like Rocky Mountain, Alaska shit.
To be perfectly honest, I like my 20, but I kind of regret the purchase.
>>703726922
The most fun I've ever had was firing a black powder .44 colt navy
For concealed carry or open carry I love me a Ruger .45
>>703727257
PPQ is objectively better than the glock, if only for the trigger (but also the grip).
the Beretta will be a lot heavier but probably stand up to more abuse.
I like PPQ more than 92, having shot both.
>>703727174
I would definitely rather have a .22 than a 9mm. you could have at least said .45 or some shitty hip round like 10mm or .40
thanks everyone
yes I know about /k/ I've been there but the more specialized boards can be cancer sometimes so that's why I decided to come here
I'm gonna look into the PPQ and other suggestions seen here >>703727294
>>703726158
What kind of stupid question is this? A gun is for killing and destroying things. What kind of cuck would limit his potential to kill and destroy by not owning a weapon? If there comes a time when you need to kill and you don't have adequate gear on hand to do it, you're going to feel pretty stupid for not having bought a weapon, and by then it will probably be too late to stop being such a faggot.
>>703727485
That is the one thing I can say that trumps almost everything in terms of a first gun is that the 92 can and will hold up to some serious abuse. Especially for someone who's just learning how to properly clean and maintain a firearm. ...it is a heavy son of a bitch though.
>>703725472
I disagree, the 10mm is excellent for personal defense, not just a bear or moose (you cannot kill one reliably with a 10mm, don't know where you get that).
First time shooter - yes to the .22... for about a month. Then upgrade to what you'll be using. Borrow a friend's .22, go to a range and learn on one and then come back to the range with your 10mm.
Don't buy a Glock. Those things suck and are totally overhyped. There's better in the world. Go to a good range and rent a few, get a feel for it before you buy anything.
>>703727562
PPQ guy here, the H&K VP9 is also a good choice.
glocks are fine IMO and they are like $200 cheaper.
PPQ trigger is top notch but I get similar groups with a glock.
>>703727294
>>703727562
Of the guns in that list, I'd recommend the Beretta 92. Its big so its got minimal recoil, its easy to disassemble and maintain, its got a good trigger and its purty.
Really though you need to go to a gun store and handle a few of them to see how some of the various guns on that list fit in your hand. One gun does not fit all.
>>703727562
Another option to consider for first time pistol and for good home defense is a 357 revolver. I'm going to catch some shit from everyone but a double action 357 with a 6" barrel will shoot .38 specials will low recoil. And being double action you never need to worry about misfires or jams. Just squeeze the trigger again and she should go boom
>>703726107
Nobody is a badass with a face full of .22 . They're incredibly prevalent and dirt cheap, excellent for first time shooters and even long time pros.
It MATTERS what kind you get. You can't learn to shoot if you fire an uncomfortable piece of crap that misfires all the time.
>>703727872
I agree with this having owned the PPQ as well as being a big Glock guy. You can't go wrong with a 92.
>>703727872
That is a very sexy pistol I'll admit
Yeah my next step is going to a gun store. Hopefully they'll have some good models there
>>703728086
if you can shoot before you buy, do it, even if you gotta pay to rent and use the range.
>>703724902
https://www.classicfirearms.com/beretta-9mm-semi-auto-surplus-g-vg
there ya go. 319 bucks surplus 92s. Can't go wrong with classicfirearms.com either. They are utterly amazing to buy from and deal with. Some of the best.
>>703728139
Just don't eat the brownies if you go shooting with anyone from /k/
>>703728177
Can these surplus 92's really be trusted? "If it's too good to be true" comes to mind. How much would a new one cost?
>>703726609
Ayy! I bet you'd kill me with one shot after the magic bullet bounces around in my head
Fuck outta here little nigger boy, I'll put on 10mm in your chest and watch your ass drop while your 22 bounces off of me if I'm wearing more than 3 layers of clothing
>>703728336
Reminds me of that comic of the stick man shooting different calibers, he shoots from 9 up to 10 and the 10 blows the guy in half and the guy walks away from a 9 kek
>>703728334
if you plan in shooting a lot id get a new gun. these might have thousands of rounds through them, if you plan on putting though many thousands more though you'll burn the barrel out.
>>703728336
I'd just put 5 or 6 in your face as you miss your first shot and have to take over a second to regain yourself from the recoil.
>>703727294
>>703724902
I agree with this guy. choose from his pic related and you cant lose. However, I would recommend that whatever gun you got in 9mm, you should get that model in 40sw later on. 40 is a meme caliber, sure, but it's basically 10mm, just slightly cheaper and slower. Think of it as the 38spl to the 357 magnum.
then, someday you get a delta elite or something in best mm, that isnt a glock.
>>703727670
+1
Stupid shit.
>>703728286
Underrated post
So it seems to me like buying a 10mm is like buying a ferrari as a first car. You could be the 1% that doesn't crash it but it's not worth it to take that chance, so it's better to just buy a 90's japanese shitbox first.
>>703727884
First time pistol.. and you're recommending a goddamn .357 revolver?!
"Here wife, just point and pull the trigger. Don't mind your broken wrist and you'd better aim right before the barrel is implanted in your forehead or you're be raped with a broken wrist and a dented face. Love, hubby."
(eyeroll)
Or get a .22 with high velocity rounds and empty the mag - the whole thing - into the intruder in < 3 seconds and go back to bed, cleaning up his dumb carcass in the morning.
You're right, you're going to catch some shit, that's just dumb.
>>703727114
You're thinking about my cock. Easy mistake, glock is similar sounding.
>>703728772
but anon, he said .38 special
>>703728453
If I was a frail little bitch
I'm sure you've been shot at before and could totally light my face up and keep your cool.
Damn son I didn't know I was talking to John Wick.
Keep being a little retard carrying your 22, if you ever have to use it you'll remember me right before Jamal hovers above you with his "glak foddy problah solva". You'll be laying there about to die over the $50 allowance your mom gave you, and you'll think "fuck I should have carried a real round and not this meme fuddlore shit"
>>703728772
I guess you didn't read the part about will shoot .38s will low recoil did you?
>>703728453
Yep.
>>703728870
.22 is the choice of professional assassins you fucking retard.
>>703728870
>fuddlore
KEK
>>703724902
10mm is expensive ammo. Get a g17 or g19 to learn to shoot, much more economical. 9mm is going to over penetrate less as well, and modern 9mm projectiles are perfectly capable for stopping threats. 10 is also much slower for getting in follow up shots. Remember that precision kills men, not power.
>>703728870
this and god forbid you have to shoot though glass or a wall/door or longer ranges, your just fucked in that case.
.22 is trash at everything but knocking cans off a fence post.
9mm is the way to go starting off
>>703728940
because it can be silenced effectively you moron, not because its good.
>>703726202
Its all about an even trigger pull. I feel like compacts are jumpy so you have to work on your trigger pull.
Everyone I know who bought a revolver as their first gun eventually sold it and gave up guns altogether because of how inconvenient they are
It's like telling someone to buy a manual as their first car
>>703729167
Besides the chamber and reloading, and recoil,(and MAYBE AMMO costs), what's so bad about a revolver?
>Keep in mind I never shot a gun in my life
>>703729101
>assassin
>kills someone for a living
>quiet or not the guy dies
>killshot
>dead
>>703728940
>"I shot you in the face 7 times nigger! Why are you only bleeding!? REEEEEEEEE! That round should have bounced in your head obliterating your brain! I'm supposed to be in charge here!"
T. You 5 seconds before you die
>>703729167
Sorry to hear them giving up a good thing. I'll take my .357 any day over my semis
>>703728865
Um..
Yeah. He kinda did.
Nope, guess I didn't read that part. That's.. actually a really good idea.
Sry
>>703729359
Nothing wrong with a revolver but it's something you should buy after you've shot literally anything else for a while
>>703729351
>lol a .22 r u serious
>anon just before his face was blown away by a .22 and he died like a retard because it doesn't do enough dmg in call of duty
>>703729315
reloading is a bitch, only 5-6 shots, reloading is a bitch, you have to reload more, oh yeah and reloading is a bitch, especially then the shells don't fall out and you have to use the stupid plunger thing.
and also reloading is a bitch.
buy the biggest and heaviest pistol for your first one
>>703729351
Why would a guy like you need a gun? Punch them to death while you tank their shots, you fucking RPG character, you.
>>703729329
wow your stupid
>>703726922
Went and shot a PO7 because I never tried them ended up buying one with a +2 mag extension and raised tritium sight posts. CZ is now my favorite.
>>703729431
No problem anon. 357 gives you the chance to be loud as fuck at the range and fire lower powered 38s. Plus who wears out a 357 if you're shooting 38s most of the time?
>>703729466
>not having the speedloader perk on
wew lad
revolvers are the best, they can't be stopped hurrrrrrrrrr
>>703729444
Nope, not even fucking close
I was an 0311, I've shot at sand niggers with 5.56 and have them kept shooting back until we put one in their t box
Your 22 is pathetically underpowered and I legitimately hope you unfuck yourself after tonight or else I can guarantee you'll die the day you have to rely on your firearm.
That or you better be a fucking squirrel posting on 4chan, in which case continue carrying your 22
>>703729722
>im a soldier so i know .22 won't kill anyone
ok why don't we consult FBI statistics about that one?
>>703729466
Just that then, huh?
Good to know.
>>703729574
I need to shoot some Czechnology. I hear much polarized debate about it.
>>703729545
Because criminals carry guns that shoot rounds that are actually consistently lethal
>>703729315
They're solid, generally reliable and are potentially more accurate.
Also not as easy to reload as a semiauto (though some with revolver speedloaders beg to differ), have a lesser shot capacity, are generally more bulky so not as good for CCW and the solid structure has less give = stronger recoil.
Ammo cost isn't a factor w/ revolver vs. semiauto, excepting you can go through more rounds with a semiauto in less time.
>>703724902
Are you just going to the range or is this going to be a primary defensive pistol that you need to trust your life with?
If you want to go have some fun at the range and feel like a big man, then yeah, sure, go with 45 or 10mm. Hell, go with a .50mag. If you anticipate being in a life or death situation, you're going to want to hit your target as many times as possible. 1 10mm round is less effective in stopping your target than 2-3 9mm rounds - especially if they're heavy (+P).
I have the new Colt "Government Issue" 1911 (because it's fucking badass) and a Taurus .357 snub, but what I keep loaded in my nightstand is a Ruger P95. It's a cheap, bulky, and ugly 9mm, but it shoots straight enough and has fired every round I've put through it, even the cheapest of paper punchers. Anyone who has shot/owned one will attest to it's durability.
>>703729771
you are so fucking stupid.
>statistics show that .22 has killed people therefore it is better than 9mm, .40, 10mm, .50 BMG, etc
shut the fuck up you moron just because you can't afford anything but your POS .22 doesn't mean it's good.
>>703729771
Please cite your source
Make them real too, not some bullshit ballistics gel
Now I know you're trolling or retarded
Statistically a 12 guage with 00 buckshot has the highest mortality rate of shot/kill
>>703729775
yeah, "just" that. trust me, it gets fucking old, fucking fast.
>>703729466
Yes reloading sucks but if it's double action you squeeze the trigger again. No panicking about omg what do? Pull back slide. Remove mag. Shake gun. Hope and pray. Yes if you're good at shooting clearing any semi is easy and second nature if you practice. For a noob that's what I recommend. Works for me personally.
>>703729841
>consistently lethal
>.22 can't penetrate skull hurrrr
>>703730001
http://www.firearmsid.com/feature%20articles/0900guic/guns%20used%20in%20crime.htm
>>703730022
The novelty of a revolver? Or is there somethingI am missing?
>>703724902
10mm is just a .40cal. In my understanding it's like a middle ground between 9mm and .45. Imo you're better off with just a 9mm. They're relatively inexpensive to feed, and they're pretty reliable for self defense.
>inb4 get a .45 pussy
Lrn2shoot faggit
are the cowadoody servers down or something?
>>703724902
why not just get the 9mm glock 17? excellent choice of first gun (if you're familiar with firearms already). If not too familiar, see >>703725472
>>703730028
It can but you better be praying and hope you land a perfect shot
Where as a 9 will penetrate your head anytime it hits it
I'd like to see what these are from as well, I hope they aren't including nigger executions with a 22 up to someone's head
>>703724902
Depends how u view the world.op do what u love and think is fair and right and good and smart OP
>>703730103
no, i mean having to reload after only 6 shots when any full sized gives you 14 or more and sometimes reloading can take over 60 seconds when your gun isn't squeeky clean and the shells don't fall out.
i mean your spending a lot of your range time reloading you fucking gun and it sucks. not on the range? god i hope you get done what you need to in 6 rounds or you can get the fuck out without being shot.
>>703730246
Please educate yourself. YOu have no fucking idea how strong thte .22lr round is, you're just parroting shit that, probably, your hunter dad told you.
Men are not bucks. A .22lr or velocitor will fucking kill you if you get shot with it.
Don't. Be. Fucking. Retarded.
>>703730326
Oh. I get where you are coming at. Thanks for the advice.
>>703730246
>>703730101
Sweet fucking FBI link bro!
>>703730574
>22 pistol and rifle kills 10% of all officers
?? What are you trying to say, here?
>>703730404
>YOu have no fucking idea how strong thte .22lr round is
lol I actually know someone who was shot with a .22 in the chest and was just fine. the bullet stopped in his lung. he drove himself to the ER.
at least a 9mm would have left a hole big enough to bleed him out in the 30 minutes it took him to get to town you fucking moron.
>>703730574
>assault weapons
>>703730546
excellent example of 9mm penetration.
>>703730404
Yeah m8 that's what I'm doing you caught me
Except the shit you're saying is literally fucking fuddlore bullshit. I change my mind keep carrying your 22. I hope you do have to rely on it someday, you need to be culled from the gene pool.
>>703730672
You definitely have no idea what a 9mm actually does(see>>703730546
), and your friend's would be assassin was probably a rifle that fell over and discharged.
>>703724902
real talk, if you get a glock get one with a good grip. they're a pain in the ass if you get the sweats. who cares about the caliber, just make sure you're safe and learn to shoot well with whatever you decide to get.
>>703730326
So what should my first gun be then? A Baretta 92?
Get a revolver like a fuckin man. When you shove a glock against someone it slightly moves the slide back and when you pull the trigger nothing will happen
>>703730665
Oh shit you actually cc a 22 rifle?
My bad, I didn't know you had access to the longer barrel.
I'm pointing out how stupid your fucking sources are, show me the fbi data
>>703730751
>>703730028
Nothing to say to this shit? % of hits that were fatal: LOWER with 9mm LOWER with .40
>>703730839
>glock
>good grip
so, a VP9?
>>703730850
go to the gun store and finger fuck every gun on the /k/ approved gun image and whatever gun gets you the hardest should be your first gun.
>>703730937
You didn't point anything out, you just screenshotted it and drew vague arrows and wrote LMAO on it.
Are you 12?
>>703730886
what are you fucking 12?
>>703731030
Just let him pretend he knows what he's talking about, no use arguing with children.
>>703730942
No I didn't address it here >>703730246 so no, nothing to say
>>703730937
>.22 handgun 5.5% of cop killings
>.22 rifle 4.5% of cop killings
try again. Don't forget, tho: these are dead cops. DO you know what body armor is?
>>703730942
dude these statistics are fucking stupid. you think a .22 is more fatal than a 9mm?
what magic causes this? the lower velocity? the smaller hole? the shallower penetration? the non existent .22 HP rounds? the shorter effective range? lower impact energy?
are you fucking kidding me right now? please be a troll.
just because jamal and officer fat fuck mag dump without hitting shit doesn't make the .22 a fucking killing machine.
>>703731001
>kek
>>703731198
>9mm literally less lethal than .22 unless you just think chart is bullshit
>all i know is .22 is garbage and "a 9 will penetrate your head any time it hits it"
>weird that .22 kills more people per shot than 9mm when you think about it
>and 9mm being used by cops because it can be used in nonlethal ways
>>703731211
>fuck the numbers dude are you telling me
smh
>>703731199
If you legitimately think the shots that caused the lethal wounds were shots that penetrated body armor you're legitimately retarded
Cops confirmed for carrying cardboard body armor
>>703731362
you are seriously retarded, can you do me a solid and make a /k/ thread saying .22 is more lethal because FBI statistics? I need a good laugh.
>>703731414
No, I'm pointing out that it's another barrier to the round killing them. It wasn't just "some chimp dumping into his chest"
>>703731472
>where as a 9 will penetrate your head any time it hits it
>thread on /k/
>>703731362
Ignore the part where I ask for the conditions
If I put a 22 up to your head I'll kill you
22 is a popular caliber amongst little niggers like yourself because the guns are so fucking cheap.
Little niggers then go out and kill other little niggers
Congrats 22 is now deadlier than even 44 mag. If you believe this you're legally retarded in the continental United States and it's allies.
>>703731472
I'm on it /b/ro
>>703730114
10mm is significantly more powerful than .45
>>703731586
im not that guy, but if you don't think a 9mm will go though your skull i invite you to try it on yourself.
>>703731646
please stop playing video games and taking it to arguments
>>703731747
I invite you to google "survives being shot in the head by 9mm"
>>703731472
>>31314849
>>703731797
>penetration
>survival
two. different. concepts. you. retard.
>>703731967
this guna b good, make sure to vehemently defend your stupid position there, like you are here.
>>703731797
>please stop playing video games and taking it to arguments
Fucking rekt! I guess you didn't like the real facts. Unless you actually reply with a post where you claim that you also believe 22 is deadlier than 44 mag.
It being used more often doesn't make the round itself deadlier.
>>703726093
I also have a P22. Freaking love that little gun.
>>703731967
kek
op make sure you get a gen4 for the better grip if you decide to get a glock
>>703731967
Looks like someone called /thread that neither bullet is worth considering as superior to the other.
Wonder why? Maybe it's the 9mm's LOWER RATE OF LETHALITY THAN .22 PER BULLET
That's per bullet, by the way. Not "per murder"
you really need to learn to read data
>>703732112
>gen4
>better grip
>still not good enough
>>703732044
lol I just got here and barely posted anything aside from my thoughts on 10mm vs 9mm. Personally I think you would have to have some serious mental issues to actually trust a .22 with your life.
>>703732208
and hes samefagging now too
>>703732208
dude its /k/ at 2am. wont be shot posted till tomorrow. towmorrow afternoon ill make a post letting you know that im still watching you get verbally assfucked by people who are not fucking stupid like you.
>>703732247
feels bad
>>703725630
hes asking you to make sure hes ready asshole
>>703732275
well, no, but he is giving my /threading authority like any /k/ommando's shitpost is the law. obviously he's lost the argument and will take any validation, even if it is sarcastic
Give me one good reason you don't have on of these to protect your home and rights with
10mm was designed by the fbi to the perfect round to stop a human being. The only reason they didn't use it is because in testing their female agents and asian agents couldn't handle the recoil so the chopped the casing down a bit, used less powder and that's how we got the .40 cal. I own a Glock 20 10mm and love it. It'll shoot through a windshield and car doors, that could definitely come in handy. Get the Glock 20 and practice with cheap .40 Cal's and then keep it loaded with 10mm for defense use.
>>703732368
i havent even posted in that thread to defend .22 tho what are you talking about? you didn't even reference some guy on /b/ or screencap anything. people have no context for what you're saying
>>703732275
I'M SAMEFAGGING AND THERES NOTHING YOU CAN DO TO STOP MEEEE
let the /k/eks begin! that /k/ thread is going to be gold
>>703726594
So hot...
>>703732458
I like my pupper and the ATF will come and kill him if I did have one
Besides that though, no other logical reason
>>703724902
glock 30 best carry glock.
>>703732565
but .22lr?
>>703732551
Someone should screen cap this retards post and post them there
>>703732565
nice image for ants you double nigger
>>703726594
what a waste of ammo to look cute
>>703732624
It destroys any ballistics gel it's shot at
We don't have conclusive data on it because of this
>>703729059
Inhave a model 29 just like that in .44. I love it
>>703732705
>>703732772
No wonder it achieves nearly the same shots to kill as the .357 magnum. Christ.
And I thought .22lr-kun was trolling
>>703732705
Oops
>>703733086
top kek @ the 10mm
guns kill kids
>>703732044
Kek he is
>>703725761
>sig p320
>comparable to Glock 19
>both plastic fantastic
>sig has better trigger, ergos, and aesthetics
>sig comes with night sights
>sig at MOST $50 more than a Glock 19
>some places it's the same or cheaper
>not a glocknade
>>703725941
you don't know me
>>703731967
I stood up for revolvers for you. I hope you're proud.
>>703734986
He used a .22
>>703732861
I still like to be behind 230 grains with my 45 ACP.
