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Do you care how many sexual partners your wife/gf has had before you?

Do you know or prefer/care not to know?
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>>703525720
Less the better
I'd rather not marry someone that's fucked/sucked 20+ men

Girls like that are only good to fuck a few times then discarded

I understand the independent women thing but nobody wants to marry a whore
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>>703525720
I don't know the exact number, but I know she had at least 3 BFs and she had an affair with 3 dudes at the same time while she was dating her last BF before me. Plus she told me hooked up with one guy beside that. So she got fucked by at least 8 men.
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>>703525720
Don't give a shit at all the past is the past.
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>>703525720
As long as she hasn't burned coal then I'm okay with whatever number she gives me within reason.

>Inb4 self conscious whitey

Na it's just most blacks act like animals, and I wouldn't ever want to be with a girl who debases herself by sleeping with a nigger.
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>>703526130
Should clarify
>No decent man wants to marry a whore
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>>703525720
>Do you care how many sexual partners your wife/gf has had before you?
Yes
>Do you know or prefer/care not to know?
I prefer not to know
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>>703526309
What about arabs, dot-indians, asians, latinos?
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Current age - Age that she lost her virginity.

That's the max I would accept.
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I cared when I was younger and it drove me nuts and looking back it was so stupid. As far as not wanting to be with a whore you don't have to know how many people they have been with to figure that out.
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>>703526236
Surely you can trust her
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>>703526130
On the other hand (there are five more fingers), if she chooses you, it's an indication you're pretty special and she's likely to stay. Decisions...
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>>703526236
you're dating someone who obviously has no problem sleeping around
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>>703526318
no one wants to marry a whore
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>>703527068
Believe it or not, but I Do. She told me all the shit she did in her former relationshit when we started dating. I had my doubts so we talked it over and over and after a while she convinced me and gave me the feeling that she is really fighting for me.

Today we are married and have a beautiful babydaughter and I have absolutely no doubt that she is 100% fatihful.
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>>703526236
You can at least triple that number and that might be a rough guess on how many she's actually slept with. Chicks lie about this shit more than you think
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>>703527152
i had a chance to be with a solid 10/10 blonde that has has fucked at least 20 guys, and a couple of women, or a latina that had 3 partners before me, both in dental school. Went with the latina and couldn't be happier with the choice i made. the blonde continues fucking random guys while drunk
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>>703525720
Not really as long as she's disease free and we're monogamous.

The only ones who worry about this are insecure betafags who worry that there dick is too small or they may not be able to make her cum.

If you know what you're doing, it's all good
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>>703527229
So what? She made some experiences as well as I did. I Actually see nothing wrong..
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>>703527460
And if she slept with 100 guys. Why would I care today? i fucked around even harder, so..
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>>703525720

Yes.

I'd prefer not to know if it was more than 5.
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I learned not to ask a long time ago. Basically just never trust a woman
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>>703527491
>top cuck
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as long as she doesn't tell me.

then i'll be mad if she says she sucked his cock... or made her cum, i'll feel betrayed and call her a slut for about 3 months until she commits suicide.

then i have to get a new girlfriend. :(
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>>703525720
Hannibal was a good series, wish it wasn't cancelled
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>>703527643
enjoy being with your cock-ornament
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>>703525720
I don't really care. My wife had her slutty days and got it out of her system. She's told me how many sexual partners she's had before me. It was over 25.
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>>703525720
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>>703526130
>>703526130
>20
How about 3?
Honestly ,3 us the absolute utter maximum.
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>>703527906
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>>703527908
good luck finding a hot woman in her 20s that is still a virgin. Its almost impossible to find women with even just 3 partners
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>>703527798
>monogamous

How is this cuck?

I don't share. I don't want some filthy disease from a third party
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>>703527821
did work quit last time I did try this. She left me after she was 2 month in hell :D
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>>703528068
>what is HPV
>what is herpes

She has already been shared. You're just the last one to the party
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>>703527908
Why would you want a virgin? They don't know what they're doing.

I'll take experience any day
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>>703527847
What? Are you serious? The third season was a crime to humanity. Season 1 and 2 were awesome though.
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>>703527374
Fool, even if she is faithful now, you were a fool to take that risk, she could have ruined your life emotionally and financially.
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>>703526236
oh god. how can you even see her with that massive red flag in the way?
hope your into cuckolding.
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>>703528209
So? I've slept with four times as many people as she has. Who am I to judge?
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>>703527643
man fucking around aint the same as women.
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1
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>>703527906
lol holy fuck.
reminds me of clerks
>32 DICKS?!
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>>703528430
then thats great. just know you're with a human dick cushion
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>>703528293
But fortunately she did not. The heart wants what the heart wants I guess.
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Anything above 0 is unacceptable and you all know it
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>>703528458
I actually don't see a differnce there.
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>>703528577
Yeah because I'd rather have a virgin who doesn't know how to do anything. I'm not into teaching

Enjoy your fantasy woman that doesn't exist
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Only one other guy. He was in a relationship with another girl and kept stringing her along. I've read messages between the two out of morbid fascination. Seems like he spent a year using her as a cum dump.
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Don't care, not even for a second. Why, if I could have had lots of sexual partners behind me, can't she? Live and let live. Also, fuck and let fuck.
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>>703528692
so you are a pedo
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>>703528430
>Who am I to judge?

kek you airen't.
we are.
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My wife had two boyfriends before me, and has slept with different men. The number doesn't bother me, but I wouldn't want a woman with high mileage. Not for the reason of it being to many, but for the reason of what it shows about her personality and morals. What a person does and how they act is a direct reflection on their value system. That, a person cannot grow out of. Ghat is who they are and a reflection of how they will be in the future. But, I'm a guy and I've slept with 50+ women durin my Army days.
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Mine's fucked over 50 :(
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>>703528851
this
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>>703527978
>>703528545
What's so bad about it?
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>>703528851
the great american cuckold, kek
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>>703529191
At least she knows what to do in bed. be happy man.
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>>703528755
>a key that opens many locks is a master key, a lock that is opened by many keys is a shitty lock
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>>703529345
Exactly, she's had many men teach her how to fuck
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>>703529345
tru dat. It only gets to me now and then. Best girlfriend I've ever had though. I've fucked up more than she has. Just goes to show you can't judge a book by its cover
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>>703529360
Spoken like a true master of wisdom.
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>>703528755
So what you are saying is, if you had a daughter and a son, you wouldn't care which of the two turned out to be super promiscuous? It's all the same? You wouldn't prefer it be the boy going through tons of pussy and not the girl that goes through a whole bunch of dicks pumping her mouth pussy and ass full of cum?

Sure thing buddy.
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>>703529494
yep. except, you have a library rental
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Sometimes I forget how many countries are populated by messed up prudes who've made sex into a boring ritual full of taboo and repression. I feel lucky to be scandi when I read shit like this.
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>>703529494
Thats the right attitude, man. Hope I didn't fuck her...came around alot.
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>>703525720
>>703525720
I DO care how many partners she has had before me.... but what's more important than that is whether she was in committed relationships with them or not and whether she's cheated before.

Honestly, it's way better that your gf/wife has had 12 sexual partners and ALL of them were in committed relationships than a woman that's had 4 previous partners but it was all while she was officially in a relationship.

You REALLY gotta beware of a cheater. The saying "once a cheater, always a cheater" holds a lot of weight (but I won't say it's 100% true, sometimes they grow up, but it takes several years and some major life events to cause it). And if she's cheated on you previously, you can NEVER trust her.

So yeah, prior partners number is somewhat important, not greatly though. It's just better to know if she's a cheater or not, and if she has done it before, you better beware. Sure, she may make it sound like she had a great reason, but if she's done it once, all it may take for her to cheat on YOU is a fight or some sex where you bust to fast one time....
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>>703529640
your women are too busy giving it up to achmed for you to get any
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>>703529360
And if women were locks, that might mean something.
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>>703529191
Hope you've been tested. Hope you wore a condom. That's just dirty, man. Is her puss all brown from all the friction over the years? That's 50+, that doesn't equate to how many times she's had sex with them. Damn. Gross. Hope she is the faithful type.
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Yea , you dont want a girl that has done every guy in town. You want to be known as the guy who fucked every girl with a twat and tits , but you want a special girl who is cute and innocent and basically a good girl . Not some loose trashbag.
Tldr : guys wanna be known as cuntdestroyers , with girlfriends that are cute nd innocent
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>>703526130
>>703526318
>>703527274
>>703528692
saying I married a whore?
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>>703529680
You worry about this *way* too much.
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>>703529577
I would neither to fuck around like a whore. I want both to make some experiences before they settle down. But I don't want my Son to fuck 100 chicks as well as I dont want my daughter to suck 100 dicks.

But in the end they both wont tell me what they will do, so as long if I dont know...why would I care?
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>>703529896
You're a virgin.
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Personally I have never asked my gf how many people she has been with and I prefer not to know. I only care about the present and future with her. I don't want to know her past like that because it could just serve to judge her.
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>>703526309
pretty sure white people invented anal, facials, throatfucking etc
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>>703529858
women are the gate keepers of sex in our culture. surly the metaphor is not lost on you?
are you a feminist? do you watch sex in the city?

pic related
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>>703525720
I don't want to know.
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>>703530009
Nah, not really. Really I'm not too concerened about previous partners, but everyone should be guarded against a woman that has cheated... I'm not saying that instantly disqualifies her from being dating material, but it's certainly a red flag.

And god forbid your relationship began with her cheating with you on her previous boyfriend, every guy I've ever known in that boat (myself included) got a karmic bitchslap. If the relationship began with her cheating on a previous boyfriend with you, it's bound to end the same way.
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>>703529577
would be equally disappointed in both
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>>703529852
I have more sex than Achmed. Achmed is a repressed dude like you.
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>>703530016
Good job not answering the question.

It's a which would you rather. A whore daughter that was run through by 100 cocks, or a philandering son that plowed through 100 pussies? Has to be one. Which is the lesser of the two evils?
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>>703528923
your initials AP?
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>>703530836
YES!!
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Dont give a flying fuck.

If they were any good she would still be with them.
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>>703529858
Says the whore that took a million dicks.

It's true, with women, ANY woman can have a virtually unlimited number of partners without trying.

With guys it requires exponentially more effort to get women to bed.

A guy who doesn't have some degree of looks, decent employment, and social skills is doomed sexually. A woman can be a deformed retarded troll on a cripple cart and bang probably 25% of them men on earth without making any effort at it.
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>>703530344

Really?

You're gonna rock up with an unsourced graph and an SJW style accusation and think you're being less stupid?
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>>703526747
Makes sense.
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>>703530894
GFs initials?
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>>703531021
And the hot girl who likes a lot of sex?
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>>703528851
You don't want to teach your girl how to do it right and blow her mind in the process?
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>>703530780
Thats a question I cant answer because I do not want the one thing or another..there is no lesser evil.
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>>703531035
the source is in the graph title you idiot.

and im saying only feminists think its ok for women to be complete sluts, and hey, they are right about everything else right? wrong, you dipshit.
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>>703525720
Sadly my wife only had one sexual partner before me and that was her ex husband.
Honestly i wish she had more sex with a few more guys before we got together then she would know and probably care how to please a man. And she would have a better idea of what getts her off in bed.
As it stands she doesnt. And she has exactly zero interest in exploring. She would perefer to lay there like an un interested corpse and have me do all the work while she just lays there emotionlessly passionlessly and doesnt give a single care in the world except to interrupt me every minute so ask if im close or if im done yet.
Feels bad man.
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>>703529892
>>703530344
Well and who's to say women aren't the keys and men the locks?

In reality, there is a difference between women and men sleeping around in our culture.
It's easy for women, but harder for men. So if a guy's a stud you know he's successful at *something*; if a woman slept around, it doesn't mean anything on its own - it's easy for most of them anyway.

Now what does this mean morally? Is it bad a girl takes what she's offered? You'll be the judge of that when you meet one.
But it's worth keeping in mind that fucking a random guy while drunk and being dumped by a boyfriend and finding a new one are different things. Irl things have this thing called nuance
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>>703530344
while I agree that the more partners you have it wouldn't surprise me that divorce goes up. I wouldn't beleive the Heritage Foundation research or data. I had to review their analysis of one data set and they had cherry picked the shit out of it. It was a major problem with our firm and actually led to some leadership changes in the department of theirs we were working with. Heritage Foundation studies are absolute shit.
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>>703531369

I've been there before.


My only question is:

you MARRIED that?
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>>703525720
As long as I test negative no... But I'm not married and the girl I love hates me... I may be a bad source
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>>703531455
See>>703531021

Women can get laid with 5 different men every day, simply by existing. Men will chase, women are caught.

With women it takes effort to *resist*. With men it takes effort to *achieve* the pussy.

If you don't understand watch Jim Jefferies (the comedian) bit on the difference between sluts and studs, and how women seem to think it's unfair that sluts aren't respected the same as a stud is..... he hits the nail on the head.
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>>703530836
You're pathetic
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>>703531795
Guess you're not the cuck i'm looking for
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>>703531463
Do you have any comments on the female chimerisation whitepapers? They're somewhat relevant and frankly depressing.
It makes coalburning a far worse offense because of the dna absorption.
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>>703526318
Don't let Fearless Leader hear you say that. He's likely to send you to the wrong side of his wall.
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>>703531455
>Now what does this mean morally?
who the fuck cares about morality we are talking about your future here.
sluts end up getting divorced more. they cheat more. just google it and ignore feminist sources like huff post, if your stupid enough to count that as a source.

>Irl things have this thing called nuance
oh wow you learn something new every day dont you? shut the fuck up man.
we are talking about the group not the individual.

>>703531463
>while I agree that the more partners you have it wouldn't surprise me that divorce goes up.
yeah its pretty much common sense. i get your hesitation with heritage but the point stands.
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>>703531353
So, in your world: to unlinked undated names are a source and I'm the idiot?

Come to think of it, why do you care?

It's not like you'll be getting rid of your virginity any time soon.
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>>703531783
That's basically >>703531783
Well that's basically what I said, but you're right. Putting it into resist-achieve is more eloquent.

Otherwise what I said still stands
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>>703530344
God, I love the scholarship that comes out of Bob Jones University!
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Dating a girl who has a count of 24 different guys
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Eh, never really bothers. I've been with a virgin and I've been with a girl who's had 50-100.

I dont mind a little experience, prefer it when a woman knows what she wants and what works for both of us.
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>>703532183
oh man im a virgin jeez ya got me didnt ya?
don't you have anything relevant left to say?
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>>703527906
I'll bet money that she's cucking you with one of her "ex"lovers
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>>703531882
>female chimerisation whitepapers
I have no idea what you are talking about perhaps you should give a link because the google search results of those words suggests that you don't know what Chimera is. Also your whole reply is largley unrelated to my mine so maybe include a transition sentence.
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>>703525720
>tfw you're a whore
>manage to get bf
>found out he has slept with 50 more people than i have
>mfw he doesn't even know what huge whore i used to be
feelsgoodman
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>>703527908
I've literally only met one 23 yo female virgin but she was a gypsy so I assumed there was a curse involved
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>>703530999
>If they were any good she would still be with them.

Poins for you, anon.
Also witnessed.
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>>703531455
>who's to say women aren't the keys and men the locks?
A good scabbard can hold any sword. But a sword that slips out of a scabbard might as well be a dagger.
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Considering how many barely legal hoes I've banged, i have no right to complain about my girls count. If she's not a stripper or an escort I'm good, if she is i have to bang her to check if she's awesome in bed, if she is im good.
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My fiance had 7 she fucked and 10 she only blew, including the seven before. Doesnt bother me, I think it's hot and she tells me stories about it while we fool around. since we've been together she sucked another but it was at the same time she was sucking me.
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>>703532569
Nah, she was just a very fast runner.
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>>703529082
I mean he could be, but that's not always a requirement. I me and my gf were both still virgins when we met, I was 18 and she was 23. She told me that pretty much every guy before me seemed either too stupid or too weird and sad to date. Either that or she was friends with the dude and it would have made things weird.
As for me? I had plenty of opportunities to fuck, I just chose not to back then because either a.) they offered a shitty venue and b.) because I was holding out for something better.
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>>703528042

So you should settle with a whore and marry her to please society?

You are at the bottom of the social hierarchy.
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>>703532300
Beware bro.

You'll be lucky if a tramp like that isn't eating someone's shit behind the dumpster at 7/11 in exchange for a crack rock.
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>>703527908
This basically
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>>703525720
My wife is chinese
Beautiful, submissive and Intelligent. (she says she's not submissive, but she is. She could never date a guy who doesn't put her in her place).

She's fucked around 90 people in her time, I'm not even kidding. I'm married to a girl who was once one of the biggest sluts in all of beijing.

If any anons know the beijing area, Wudaokou is the region she used to hang out in back in 09 when she was 18.

Met her in gradschool here in the USA. I've never met a girl who knows their way around a dick like her.

Once she made me cum twice, in a row, no refractory, and I haven't the faintest idea how. (neither does she... it was a new experience for both of us).

So yeah, it matters to me.

Either I want a girl who is a virgin with no experience (so I can dictate her fetishes the first time I fuck her... ) or I want a girl that can suck a golf ball through a garden hose.

I guess I got the latter.
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If any of you are worried about girls count, just fuck as many bitches as you can so you don't need to regret a thing
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You are all pathetic scumbags.
Why would a so called Whore settle with any of you losers anyway.
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>>703532919
>I me and my gf
lol how did that happen?
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>>703532466
It's notable that you don't deny it.
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>>703533108
lol oh my god haha
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>>703533129
Implying girls who were whores have options.
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>>703533108
Nice copypasta
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>>703529360
Yeah, it's a metaphor, but it's a shit one. By trying to act like you know what makes you better than someone, you only prove what a classless piece of shit you are.
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>>703532518
He's talking about some studies that had to do with dna/cells/whateverthefuck being leftover from girls previous partners and the theories on how this affects future offspring
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>>703530279
That was some one else.
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>>703533200
the fuck do i care what you think of my virginity? its not relevant to any argument im making, which you seem to be avoiding.
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>>703533108
Sounds too much like a neckbeard fantasy to be true.
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I wonder why the fuck would you care about how many men shes fucked before, makes no sense. I'm sure you wouldn't expect her to care about how many women you've been with.
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>>703525720
as long as its not loose or disease ridden i couldnt care less.
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>>703533309
like your doing right now you mean? you classless piece of shit?
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My girlfriend had one person before me who was bad at sex and emotionally abusive. It's kind of good she had him before me because he's the reason she's so insanely attached to me. But that's from the perspective of someone whose GF only banged 1 before, don't know how I'd feel about 10.
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>>703533270
true
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>>703531783
>With men it takes effort to *achieve* the pussy.

with low value men
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>>703533297
There's already a pasta of this?

If not, feel free to make some of it.

If so... it was probably me on another one of these threads.
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>>703532737
Anon, I like it
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>>703533511
I know right?

I mean, keep in mind, it was grad. school, and I'm only a few cents short of being a 'Chad' with a masters in engineering and moving into my PhD...
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I care about many more things aswell, as do everybody. But really, as long as the person does not habe any STDs or the like, I don't care. I'd like a pussy to "cooldown" for a couple of days before I go into it but other than that, I don't care.
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>>703526303
No.
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>>703525720
just got dumped by my gf yesterday. we were together for 15 months. She had sex with 9 guys prior to us meeting. fucking crushed and i hate that cunt. moral of the story, dont trust no hoes.
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>>703533572
I'll treat you with respect when you've earned it back.
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>>703533309
>How did Hugh know he was referring to his girls as bitches if he doesn't know that girls and bitches are synonymous?
>I'd rather call people positive names than negative to save face.
>Lie > hard truth

triggered
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>>703528545
37, you fucking moron.
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>>703533475
How should I put this?

You, a virgin, having an opinion on sex and relationships is sort of like a lobster having an opinion on how birds should fly.
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>>703531301
Then shut the fuck up about this whole subject
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>>703533958
i don't want your worthless respect. if you have an argument then post it, if you just want to say you think im wrong then your stupid to think i give a shit.
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I have a current gf of 6 years. Before that I fucked a lot of women (100+). When we started hanging out she asked me about how many I've been with and I said 17. She was ok with that.. Then I asked (not that I thought she was gonna tell truth anywyS) and she said 12 from what I remember... Didn't matter much to me but then I was asking her about d she would have a 3 some with me and bugging her about being scared and she told me she's already done that a few times. I asked her about being pig roasted and she said she had a Mmf threes one before. I was choked and stopped talking to her for a few weeks. She tries to make it better by telling me that they were a couple (bi/gay?) and only one of them fucked her. Those details made it worse at the time but I got over it and years later I think it's hot to think about. Hasn't came up again but now I kinda wanna hear the details I think. I've also had many mmf tjreesomes in past. I used my anger at her to manipulate her ink having a mff with her, me, and a hooker. I said i wanted her to have the most sexually adventurous experience she's ever had with me. It worked and I got my threesome. Was awesome and I thought it would be something we would do every once In a while. She will not do it again and she's pretty she and says that monogamy is for her. I still think is hot thinking about it and Kinda wanna ask her about past experiences but not sure if I should ? Basically, hearing that story from her has opened my eyes sexually and now I fantasize about way more different sexual experiences. Overall I'm glad I heard it .
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>>703525720
Dont care
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>>703533437
thanks for the clarifcation.
>>703531882
um I don't know. My area of expertise isn't in rare genetic anomolis in human reproduction. And while I could yammer about shit I don't know I won't. Plus I don't give a shit about skin colour. I have met plenty decent and shit tier people of all shades so you can go self-trigger yourself with interracial xvideo all you want.
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>>703533923
Post nudes my friend
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>>703534059
straw man. im not a virgin, if it matters so much to you. not that youll accept that since this is the only rhetoric you can come up with, even though its irrelevant.
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>>703533974
>putting your argument in greentext doesn't magically make your word-salad make sense.
> banana trenchcoat radio wormwood
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naive, but i'd preferred if they had none

a realistic desire in early college years, but after age 20+ you're bound to be their 3rd or 4th
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i love sluts
my girlfriend had ALOT, mainly sucked guys off and i love when she tells me about it
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>>703531369
>while she just lays there emotionlessly
Probably because you ain't got that awesome ock like me
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>>703532952
there are billions of others fucking and marrying, your boycott is meaningless because societies' value of you has nothing to do with your capability to breed
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>>703527491
goddamn I could go for a glass of ruby red right now
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>>703525720
Yes, that's usually a sign of how trustworthy she is and I don't want to have a whore as a gf even if she's a pro at bed.
>>703526130
>nobody wants to marry a whore
a beta cuck yes
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>I know
>I never asked
>she brings up past partners at least once a month
>don't give a fuck
>would rather be alone
>100% cool if I came home and she was getting plowed as long as her crazy family would stay gone while I packed my shit
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>>703534292
>me and my gf
get on my level
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>>703534276

Let's see, you're the sort of person that shieks about logical fallacies and can't be bothered to get them right.

I'm sure you're quite the ladies man.
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>>703534100
*you're stupid

You tell your friends at high school you've slept with "like totally, over 100 sluts!" don't you?
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>>703534720
gross
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I don't take used up stuff. 0 is the only good number, and I take great pleasure rejecting girls that want me and telling on their face that no because they fucked other men before (granted, I only got the chance to do it with 4 girls)
Any real man do just that. That's how we'll put an end to the slut culture. If that means we have to go younger, so be it. The used up rag sluts are the only ones who will suffer long term. Men will only suffer short term while neglecting sex with used ups until a virgin shows up in your life.

If you're a man, do this. You'll be happy.
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It's bad when a woman fucks multiple men because women get more emotionally attached to guys that fuck them
When a man fucks a woman and moves on they usually don't think about it
Women will always bring back memories of the past and desire to reach out to their ex or someone that reminds them of an ex
Their insecurity drives them
When a chick has fucked 20 dudes she remembers every single one and what was good and bad about them
They'll eventually try to compare you to them if you don't live up to the standards, go back to that ex, or seek out one that's similar
Most women are pretty selfless
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>>703532952
please oh please alpha manlet time stamp with face. I need my keks today.
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>>703534720
Najs gf anon
Bonus points for addias
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>>703534827
>>703534945
fucking virgins

come near me or her irl and I will kick your tiny little asses
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>>703534852
that's pretty much the definition of anal-retentive
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>>703525720
Yes.
Prefer to know.

It's not like she had a ton before, but I prefer to know how many abandoned her and if there's someone for whom she has strong feelings.

I don't mind if she cheats since I m not emotionally too invested in her, but if she is bad at sucking dick and has had 5 partners I want to know why the fuck she is still bad at it., you know?! Plus I get that sweet-sweet info on how she got treated, which is a good indicator of what and how much should I offer in the relationship to be in a good place.

Seriously, if you do a research before deciding to buy 30-dollar shoes knowing where your girl comes from is the least you can do.
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>>703534720
Sweet jesus... how related are your parents?
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>>703534811
man you got me pegged, don't you?
i mean if you just want to keep insulting me as if the uninformed opinions of people i don't and will never know matter to me, that's fine.
I'm here to engage in a conversation, so if/when your down for that ill be here to read your relevant post.

>>703534821
graduated 9 years ago. I've slept with one woman in my life. still fucking her today. I don't lie, about who I've fucked, or at all, actually.
you also here just to talk shit or you got something to say to me about an argument I've made?
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>>703533108
I enjoy her tight Japanese vagina and huge milk tits that lactate cause she takes pills for me so I can suck life giving Japanese breast milk,
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>>703527491
I dont buy new cars. The only people who buys a new car are insecure beta fags who dont now how to drive, if you can drive its all good.
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>>703526395
insecurities 101
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>>703531021
it makes sense when you look into the biological implications that sex had in nature:

The man can put some seed, almost no effort, and fuck off at the same night.

The woman could get pregnant and is stuck with birthing the baby.

This is why women are interested in long term relationships, because then they benefit rather than.. just being fucked.
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>>703534357
To think when I was 26 and hooked up with a 19 year old, she was my 8th. I was her 7th. Only found out after the fact. She's probably doubled that in the last two years.
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>>703534852
holy shit I can't tell if this is manlet-virgin escapism, pedophilia, or a combination there of. If it ain't bait I will be keking at you serious self esteem issues and the years it will take you to overcome your weeboness.
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>>703535235
lmao no worries m8 I'm good staying away as it is. check em.
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>>703528068
I got the last pizza slice after other people ate off the toppings therefor i am the winner
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>>703535464
> engage in conversation

Who in the Sevens Names of Fuck *talks* like that?

The British Royal family?

Members of the Daughters of the American Revolution?

Prissy people from the 1940s?

As for insulting you, it's almost unavoidable.

It's all becoming clear why you have a probably with women who like sex:

They seem but be fucking everbody but you.
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>>703535237
If you like used up stuff go for it boy. My advice for all other men is to avoid used ups like they're worthless..

All civilizations in human history valued chastity in women for a reason. It was not until femiretardadism came along that the term was suddenly changed to be almost an insult for young women and men.
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>>703536017
lol all you seem to be interested in is talking shit. go for it man. you lost the argument, you might as well.
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>>703535464
Women aren't locks, even in a metaphorical sense.

Only fucked one woman? Thats cool. I don't place a persons value on how many people they've slept with. Not you, not me, and not any woman. I don't even think you need to be a SJW or feminist or whatever to understand why that's fair. It makes everyone look bad.

Would you like your girl any less if she'd slept with other people before? If so, that's kinda shallow dude.
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A women that has slept around cannot expect to be treated with respect and find "a worthy man" later in her life. She is worthless now.
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Yes I do care, because if its a big number i can safely assume I am not the one, and get far less emotionally involved, and if thats what dooms the relationship, then maybe she shouldnt have fucked so many people and labelled herself a whore.
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>>703536134
They valued it because us dudes got insecure about touching stuff we thought "belonged" to us.
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>>703536236

The sickening part about people like yourself is you probably actually believe that.
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>>703536463
* insecure about other dudes touching stuff
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>>703536463
Rofl. It was valued because a virgin girl could, if she want, stop being virgin next friday night. A non-virgin could never be virgin again no matter how much she desired it, ever again. So there's a lot more non-virgin women than virgins

Simply supply-demand, the scarce it is the more valued it is. And sluts should die alone.
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>>703525720
Yes, it does. I am only willing to date another virgin.
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>>703536249
im not talking about my girl, im talking about women. the group, not the individual.
apparently I have to point out that statistics do not apply to the individual, they only apply to the group, so as not to confuse you.

promiscuous women are more likely to divorce, they are more likely to cheat, they inherently have more emotional baggage, they are more likely to have STDs, I mean these things are not up for debate, my dear friend.

women are locks, in a metaphorical historical sense. i mean you must be buying into the feminism shit whole sale to not understand the historical cultural implications of chastity. the biological consequence of being the gender to bear the child as opposed to the gender that just sticks it in one time, this isnt fucking rocket science man.
woman has child therefore woman chooses mate. woman chooses 100 mates, woman is garbage.
make all the feminist rationalizations you want about that one, its fucking basic biology.
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>>703536577
then fucking post an argument if your still in this debate, friend.
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>>703536463
yeah, there's no correlation in women with number of sexual habits and detrimental psychological traits at all
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>>703526309
Amen.
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>>703536721
Scared if being compared? Fuck that noise.

When I'm with a chick, it's because I'm the manliest thing she wants fucking her at that moment, and I'm confident enough to get through, even if I'm not on my A game.

Virginity it literally worthless. Just because something could be gone tomorrow doesn't make it worth anything.
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A friend of mine which I used to date has had sex with at least 7 people. 5 woman and 2 men

She offered me to have sex with her.

What do?
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Who gives a shit.
I don't ever ask, because I don't care, at all.
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>>703537422
do her
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I'll never have a gf or wife so I suppose I don't care
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My wife had 20-ish, including a bunch of black guys.

I don't care one bit, it's all in the past. She belongs to me now. Besides I can't really say anything, I've had over 60.
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>>703537302
Rest of humanity over all the ages disagrees with you in regards to virginity's value. I'm with them.

Also the "men want a virgin just for fear of being compared" is the most blatant lie and strawman that only came to existence when feminism brought it alone. No, that's never the reason for wanting a chaste girl for any man. Feminism is mental illness, don't listen to anything that comes out from their filthy whoring mouths.
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I prefer to know, and as any sane man I care, a lot.
Anyone with STEM formation knows: "the best estimator for future tendencies in any system is past behaviour". Science is based upon the notion of adquiring knowledge through experimental repeteability to provide proof.

No matter how offensive may result, a promiscous young slut will most of the time, as in practically always, grow to be and old whore.
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>>703536882
Geez, if only we had some way of forstalling pregnancy and preventing disease, that might bring about this whole massive social change, and people might forget act like we're not still swinging from trees and banging rocks together...
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>>703536134

>All civilizations in human history valued chastity in women for a reason
>All

Wrong.

And if you mean western civilization, chastity was valued because virginity of highborn ladies was required for the feudal system to function (Otherwise, nobody could be sure that an heir was definitely the progeny of the dude. However, if you know history, you would know that highborn ladies still sometimes fucked outside of marriage). Before that, virginity was preferred, but not seen as a requirement. And in lower classes, people cared about it even less.
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>>703537422
Reject her for being premiscous, tell her you deserve better.
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>>703532487
Highly doubt it since we don't live where she is from.
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>>703537820
I used to be like you.

I grew up. Started reading some ideas I didn't already agree with. But you'll call me a cuck or a beta and go back to shouting in the echo chamber so there's not really any point me arguing anymore.
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>>703537999
If you can't see how a virgin girl has more sexual value than a non-virgin you're either a girl (and a slut at that) or a total cuckhold
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>>703537999
Trips for truth
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>>703537985
yeah that part of my argument doesn't say much for the main debate but it does help justify the metaphor.
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>>703538485
>gets fact checked
>"CUCK!"

Buy a fedora and the cliche is complete.
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>>703528235
Act like your girl does anything except rolling her eyes while she files her nails as you're railing her from behind.
>this takes experience
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>>703528545
>32 DICKS?!
dude, fuck you
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>>703526303

Thank god.

The rest o you: limit yourselves more why don't ya
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Wifey was a good little christian girl who waited till marriage. We got married at 25. We fuck like crazy because she says "she's got lost time to make up for"
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>>703538743
The facts are completely wrong but it's easier to call you a fucking cuckhold than keep arguing over the internet with a cuckhold.
Unlike you, men throught the ages from everywhere did know the difference between a slut with hymen and a slut without a hymen and knew wich was worth more, not a great deal of science was/is required to figure it out.

But that said man, if you like used up goods go for it. Better for the rest of men, it removes from the market the used up goods.
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>>703538733
What even?

Sex is great. We can do it without getting pregnant. Men love it. Women love it. Why judge anyone for enjoying pleasure, especially if they cut down the risk?


Someone keeps getting disease or has a bunch of unwanted kids, go ahead and judge. Otherwise, who gives a shit?
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>>703526747
Fair
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>>703539171
Men throughout the ages from everywhere also thought the earth was flat. Only morons still do. Just putting it out there.
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>>703530559
achmed's raping and taking whatever he wants

>you're the repressed one
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>>703528235
this guy gets it
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Don't care, don't wanna know. It's pretty immature. In the past I've been on both sides, where they had also thought I'd been with too many people. As long as they're faithful now and matched with you on sexual skill and kinks, fuck it. All that slut, cuck and alpha shit rots your head.
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I would only date or marry a virgin. I'm also rich and handsome to pull it off, as I have been for the last 7 years.

I'm 25
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>>703539205
i posted the reasons. like i said, im talking about women, not an individual. not every promiscuous women is a problem, thats not what i think.
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I can give 2 shits about a number. What can you do about it anyway?
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>>703529360
>a pencil sharpener that sharpens all kinds of pencils is a good pencil sharpener. a pencil that lets itself be sharpened by too many sharpeners has to be thrown away
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>>703527152
that makes zero sense. She chose a ton of other guys before you and it wasn't because they were special and she didn't stay with them
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>>703532919
>I was holding out for something better.
you realize sex is a renewable resource don't you? it's not like practicing with 'lesser' girls was going to wear you out, it would have just been practice to satisfy your future 'perfect' woman. Same goes for her. If she says she enjoyed your mutual first time, she's lying
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>>703539449
>Comparing ancient cosmology to a woman's hymen

Go use your whore and be happy, cuck. Everyone else, reject sluts, be happier and don't submit to femiretards.
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As long as the list isn't too long I don't care.

Current one fucked lik 3 before me I think. Doesn't phase me, since she's #6 on my list
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>>703539997
>a pencil that lets itself be sharpened by too many sharpeners becomes short and useless aka wore the fuck out

i mean it writes itself, doesn't it?
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>>703539984
Reject or accept a relationship with such person.
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>>703525720
Grown ass man here.
There was a period in my life where I dated a ridiculous amount of women, I went on a spree that lasted a few years, where practically every night was a different woman.
I developed a basic equation to assist me in eliminating the absolute trash, that should be just ignored and didn't even come close to the "gf material" category.

X = Number of partners she's had.
Y = Years since she first had sex.
G = Number of times she's been in group sex
P = Highest number of partners at once
L = Number of times she's engaged in "lesbian" sexuality. Usually this is the "gimme attention, bois like lesbos right? im so sexually free, like me please" shit.
B = Number of years of her longest relationship
SL = Slut number. This is the endgame number we want.


(X/(Y-B)) * (G*P) + L = SL

In my standard, anything over 10 is a slut. Under 5-10 is average. 5 and less is insta gf material sexual track record.

so, a slutty girl example would be:
(5(5-2)) * (1*2) + 6 = 36

An average girl would be:
(3(5-2)) * (0*0) + 1 = 10

Disclaimer: Everyone has a different standard. I personally don;t even consider dating women with anything resembling smuttiness in their past. Some people thinks sluts are better in bed, but we're talking gf's here, not fucks. My main priority in a gf is trust, and her base values as a person, someone who values herself. Sex is learned behavior, a prude can be taught to enjoy sex, and deep connections open boundaries. Just me. I've no been with my gf for 9 years, happily, no serious rockiness, so If I want a good woman for a long time, tightening up your standards for sexual history is probably a good way to go, imho.
Also, there are other factors, a woman may be a prude, but retarded, or annoying, or boring, or obnoxious, or socially awkward, etc. This equation is PURELY for sexual history.
YW.
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>>703539171

>the facts are completely wrong
>refuses to explain or debate how they are wrong

Refusing to defend your position and resorting to name calling marks you as an intellectual coward and an idiot. Perhaps do some thinking if you can't come up with anything to retort with other than "LOL UR A CUCK CAUSE I DISAGREE WITH YOU AND I DON'T NEED TO EXPLAIN SHIT". Do that and you are just as bad as those SJW cuntwagons.
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>>703540243
i'm impressed you seem to have mastered the use of the internet, when it appears you grew up in 1955. Enjoy the inevitable ulcer every control freak ends up with
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>>703525720
I care more about whether she has a history of drama and being unfaithful. Also if she's had a baby vaginally, because after that that pussy will probably never be tight again unless she cares enough to do kegel work regularly
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>ITT: Virgins /b/oys hate on non-virgin girls, like they actually know what relationships with sex are.

When you faggots become worthy of actually being noticed by a girl you may eventually get your dick sucked and find out that only catholic priests and muslims find pleasure in sex with virgins. If she doesn't know how to suck a dick and you don't know how to guide her through this, you will never know the pleasure of sex. When neither of you is happy with the sex you get, both of you will want to look for other partners.

That's as simple as it ever gets.

Now I know you virginfags hate me already but before you disregard this text and shoot for a Wizard degree heed my advice. Your worth (I mentioned above) is not compared to the girl you want to bang, but to that girl's options. If you, an 18 years old kissless virgin and a 25 years old with a car and a job are her options then guess who's gonna win.

- You can't give her a ride home when you two want to meet late.
- You can't take her out to have fun (not necessarily referring to clubs and shit. even getting her on the top of a mountain to check out the view needs money and a method of transportation)
- You can't even finance the fucking hobbies you don't have because you spent so much time in front your fucking monitor
- You definitely have less sexual experience than the 25yo, and if she's the same you can't even help her get better
- You will have a harder time finding places to have privacy (and sex)
- You are FAR more likely to turn up with several insecurities which she won't know how to deal, especially since she 'll be dealing with hers in the first place
- You have less overall soft and hard skills. The older guy most probably knows how to be smooth with her and can also fix the fucking tires in his car.

Overall, you are just not men yet. Go out and observe people your age that actually do shit, have a job and such. 100% guarantee even if they don't have a gf, they encounter more opportunities
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>>703526303
I'm sure herpes and the fact that your girl craves her exes much larger dicks go with that
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>>703525720
I think it's fun that she's slept around. Other than that, of course I don't care. I don't go around believing in sexual norms from mediveal times for no reason
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>>703530279
Pretty sure that had nothing to do with what he said and that was a wild nigger haymaker of a comment
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>>703527821
/thread
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>>703525720

I like to know, but it doesn't change my view on the relationship. Data in that regard is useful for intimacy.
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Yes and no, if they seem like they jump around a lot I would be hesitant because they just don't seem like a good fit in a relationship. Number doesn't matter so long as they seem like they can be trusted and actually want to be in a serious relationship, anything to suggest otherwise would be a red flag.
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>>703525720
I've never fucked a girl who had a number of partners in the double digits, but if I had to rank them all, oddly enough I'd say the virgins were the best, especially at blowjobs. Fuck this "experience" meme, taking a dick is obviously natural instinct for a woman.
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>>703540416
You sir are a hero
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>>703540416
>(3(5-2)) * (0*0) + 1 = 10
are you a retard? that equals 1
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What a bunch of idiots. Thinking they are any better then women. You must get tons of pussy lmao. Bunch of tools.
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ITT grown ups who have experienced sexual intercourse debating with children with mommy issues who haven't
>mug grill has to be a virgin, because mommy likes her boyfriend more then me.
You know who you are
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>>703541313
Ok, so you didn't just assume the (0*0) erases that part of the equation, I should have been more specific.

* If the group sex portion of the equation = 0, remove that from the equation.

There, make you feel better?
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>>703541535
itt liberal feminists get mad at conservatives for not wanting hookers as wives.
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>>703540938
>wild nigger haymaker of a comment
much keks
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>>703528545
Everytime i see this i crack up and my wife looks like she wants to kill me
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>>703540737
>If I want a girl without experience
If she's virgin I can have her without experience AND experience after a few sex sessions together. if she's not virgin, I can never ever have her unexperienced
>If I want a girl with experience
Both apply, so the meme of "sex with a virgin can only be bad" doesn't work here either.

So again, if one has the option to chose, there's no reason ever to turn down a virgin girl, but plenty of reason to reject sluttys and make them cry in their unworthlessness.
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>>703541677
wow, women are either virgins or hookers. thats one hell of a conservative leap in logic
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Women having sex = lying there taking dick. Maybe riding for a few seconds until they get tired, and then lie there taking dick.
Where does experience help them here?

In my experience, good sex on the woman's part isn;t an experience issue, its a compliance and compatibility issue. Good sex is when people have the same boundaries and preferences, that's all. A super experience girl who tries to shove a thumb up my ass without warning is a fucking bad lay, for you, that might be awesome.
A women who's a good lay is just a woman who is willing to say what she wants, and consider what you want, and not get all defensive and uptight.
Experience is lie.
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>>703541677
Holy dubs confirms
>>703542193
That's basic logic
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>>703542193
oh i get it, the poster i was replying to can be hyperbolic but when I am its because conservatives are stupid?
did I get that right?
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I shouldnt care and I try not to care. actually I try not to think about it. but I just wish I didnt know, Id rather she either hadnt told me or even made something up
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>>703542193
>says he doesn't want a hooker
>must mean he wants a virgin
>must mean he thinks women are either hookers or virgins

That's quite the leap there fella.
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>>703542445
Why do you hate all women so much?
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>>703534720

hahahah bald before 30
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>>703541885
not all of us are sexual dynamos like you, capable of teaching a girl every known sexual technique known to man. some of us rely on the real world to help our partner become a complete person prior to our sweaty hands getting on them. Also, i don't want to have to teach her to drive, cook, clean, apply make up, have a conversation etc. some very few of us actually prefer women. My life is too busy shitposting on /b/ to teach a girl to fuck
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>>703541674
No I didn't assume that because thats not how math works you fucking idiot. Your math mistake is more cringe than your "sluttiness equation" have fun at your community college communication class neckbeard. But seriously thanks for the keks.
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>>703541885
>AND experience after a few sex sessions together

Yeah because obviously your virgin dick is also a Kama Sutra author and your day job is a life coach so you know for sure you can convey all those tricks you were taught on Bible camp.

Faggots like you waste their lives thinking they can handle whatever comes their way until they are too old and inexperienced to do anything in life actually. Then come the "when life gives you lemons too big to handle" stories...
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>>703542445
After she told you and you nodded in acceptance, you're the only one to blame now. If you didn't like it, you should have turned her down right there and be done with it. Now enjoy your slut.

>>703542551
Rejecting premiscous behaviour equals hating all women now? Can't semeone disagree and turn down women because they slept around and not be called mysoginist?
But in case your answer is yes, then yeah I guess you'll find in 4chan some of the biggest women hater you'll get to know, and proudly so.
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>>703542551
wat
dumb thing to say
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Did none of you fucks attend university, about 60% of the girls are pushing 15 plus. Stop being insecure faggots jeez.
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>>703542452
read the thread
comprehend the thread
contribute to the thread
or, fail to follow along, and then shit post
guess which one you are
now shhh while the grownups talk
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>>703525720
Mine has had four before me.

Doesn't bother me much at all, other than how she talks about how thick I am.
Makes me think she's had at least one huge ex that she can't stop thinking about.
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>>703543105
uh
the problem with thinking you know it all is when you get everything wrong. I didnt 'nod in acceptance', I told her how it made me feel. which is kind of bad, but nowhere near bad enough to even consider breaking up with her over it.
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>>703542861
read
>>703542314

Sex isn;t learned, especially for women. It isn;t a skill, it's a natural instinct is far more based on the compatibility of the preferences of both partners than the "skill level" of one person.
Let's break down the cringe in your post.
>not all of us are sexual dynamos like you, capable of teaching a girl every known sexual technique known to man.

Sexual technique?! you mean sitting/standing/lying in a different pose while taking/giving dick? there is no technique. If you think there's some kind of magical technique in taking/giving dick then you sir, are a lost cause.

>some of us rely on the real world to help our partner become a complete person prior to our sweaty hands getting on them

This self hate.... Get some self esteem you faggot. You're implying every other guy she lets ram their rod into her is a worth champion, whilst you are a lucky, sweaty pleb that won the lottery by being allowed to slap your limp wet twinky around her labia for a minute. She doesn't have to learn anything from anyone, and her completeness as a person is not contingent on her knowledge of ancient sexual techniques passed on to her via alpha semen and herpes. Good sex is two people willing to tell each other what they like, and both being open minded enough to try to make the other person happy while not being forced to cross lines they're firm about. You're view of sex is fucking twisted and self loathing.

>Also, i don't want to have to teach her to drive, cook, clean, apply make up, have a conversation etc. some very few of us actually prefer women. My life is too busy shitposting on /b/ to teach a girl to fuck

Same shit reposted again. Read up, sex isn;t learned, its an instinct, and a product of two people's compatibility. You're either young, or autistic.
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>>703535471
>My wife is chinese
>I enjoy her tight Japanese vagina
>retarded

First off, as a connoisseur of asian women, I'd say like fucking .001% are sluts, if they're born and raised in east asia. That shit is a big fucking deal there.

I've only had one asian gf who was somewhat of a slut, she worked at google as an engineer and had a "guyish" personality, which was weird for both because she was hot. But she had a shit ton of guy friends and no chick friends and wished she was a guy etc (red flags all over this bitch)

She went on an OKcupid spree because her parents sheltered the shit out of her, most my ex asian gfs were virgins until like 24 / 25, and some even wanted to save it for marriage..

GF right now is chinese and has only been with one dude who sucked at sex, thoughout my gfs, I did respect the ones who had less guys the most... They also seem more reliable and less likely to cheat, because they haven't lost a piece of their heart to others, which I have unfortunately.
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>>703542861
The real mvp
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>>703542910
I spread some of your post onto some chicken tendies, but now they're too salty :(.
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>>703543344
Read thread
Assume every poster other than you is the same person
Act like a kid
Call people kids
Guess who you beeee. Harambe be upon you pépé-lord.
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>>703543557
>breaking up with her

So, you were already in relationship. It's one of those things you have to be aware -before- engaging, man. Think of the same situation but you had that chat with her before being in relationship. Would you have turned her down right there because of that?
If no, well again, enjoy your slut and your bad feelings.
If yes, well that's my point. Rejecting semeone over how many prior partners she had is totally acceptable and shaming-worthy
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>>703532737

I assure you if a sword slips out of it's scabbard. you need a new scabbard, not a new sword. The swords job is to cut, not stay in a scabbard. The scabbard's job is to hold the sword.
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>>703543256

University chicks are all whores though... they think they are entitled to a "slut phase."
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>>703532737
Scabbards are made to fit swords, and should fits it's sword perfectly, and no other sword, otherwise it's useless.
A sword that happens to be paired with a scabbard it doesn't fit in, doesn't magically get shorter and become a dagger. The scabbard isn't for that sword.
That sword should find it's scabbard, and throw away all those useless scabbards.
I fixed yur ananalagy.
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>>703540416
>(X/(Y-B)) * (G*P) + L = SL
>In my standard, anything over 10 is a slut. Under 5-10 is average. 5 and less is insta gf material sexual track record.
i did the equation for my gf for xoxxles and she got 29.428. G and P were kinda guessy tho
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My girl had only 1 before me and i believe she is loyal to me all this time we are together.pic related she is her
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>>703526303
Same here /b/ro I usually don't date much with long breaks in between and the only girls that have broken up with me or cheated on me usually didn't have too many previous partners. Most women (just like men) don't want to experience only a few relationships in their life. Women that have been around more usually appreciate the relationship more and it usually goes a lot further. Also almost all those women with little relationship experience usually come right back less than a year later.

I'm only 6.8 inches but I've found out a lot that sex has a lot to do with you're whole body and not just your penis. Alot of people on here need to learn from books how to have great sex, not from porn
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>>703544240
>you had that chat with her before being in relationship
lmao bollocks. you dont have that conversation until you know someone pretty well. how can you possibly think its something people talk about in detail before they get together? seriously m8 thats either next level autism or absolute ignorance
and anyway
>Would you have turned her down right there because of that?
no
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>>703532918
Enjoyed sir.
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>ITT permavirgin losers
I bet you are the ones who hide behind avatars of 17th century philosophers, medieval knights, and anime characters in youtube and your mra forums.
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>>703546017
If you defend feminism in any way you're a human waste.
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I got married to a girl who told me her number afterwards. It was +75 because she lost count. We got divorced.
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>>703545435
>you dont have that conversation until you know someone pretty well

You must be bad at talking with girls then. Look what happens when you don't man up and ask her beforehand:
>>703546581
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I want my virginity to be taken by my hubsand.
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>>703545375
Anyone want to be her 3rd ??
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>New Teen Sex Board...

http://time-for-sex.ru/
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If you're with the person you love, I'm going to put it like Jaguar "You know you're not the first, but do you really care?"
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Girls are sex objects and fuck as much as they want until they marry a guy before they get tonics and are thrown away by society. Their desires for being a slit stay with them but they repress them in order to stay married
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