Nobody exists on purpose. Nobody belongs anywhere. We're
The stories and information posted here are artistic works of fiction and falsehood.
Only a fool would take anything posted here as fact.
Only a fool would take anything posted here as fact.
Nobody exists on purpose.
Nobody belongs anywhere.
We're all going to die.
>>703397418
Haha nice one!
>>703397286
Those who do not have a belief in order and purpose sink into chaos and misery.
Having a belief in something more is asn essential human necessity, without it an individual becomes unhinged. Look at the state of society today as people move away from faith into mindless consumptions and excessive egotism.
Organized religion is just as bad, find your connection with God/divinity.
>>703397286
I>>703398186 like the show by the way...
>>703397286
>>703398186
We are both divisors of nine!
LoL!
>>703398186
You are really stupid dude, god is a cunt
>>703397286
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3m06C76EoEc
we are all morty's
>>703398668
Name calling, you have proven your intelligence.
God allows us to have this experience in order to further our development into something more. God is not what Christians, Hebrews, Muslims, or anyone else makes God out to be. Knowing at this state of being is not possible, as an example 3D (us) are trying to perceive 10³³D.
We must find purpose in order to "evolve".
>>703399317
Your god is a bitch pussy, kys trying to be smart cunt
>>703398186
society was worse when people blindly followed religion.
Crusades, inquisitions, witch burnings, crucifixion including the gaylord Jesus Christ, war etc.... even up to 911
>>703397286
Y-y-you think you're real clever don't you Morty? Well l-let me tell you something you little piece *buuurp* piece of sh-shit, the universe doesn't care what you have to say, you got that? Y-y-you-you're just an irrelevant speck of shit on the asshole of existence Morty, and nobody cares what kind of idiotic trash you think is important
>>703399468
I like your fire, what is your view on existence?
Why and how are we here?
>>703399317
Any kind of belief ruins everything, if we want to be masterrace we need to get rid of all the beliefs and start working on our planet instead of being dumb little motherfuckers
>>703399588
Awe jeez, Rick
>>703399492
Did you even read my post?
>(the last part)
>>703399602
Humans are fucking cancer, both of us are cancer so why even debate on pointless things while we should be working right now to get money to live a ''proper'' life.
>>703399896
btw. kill me, I can't shoot myself so someone do it for me
>>703399627
>Any kind of belief ruins everything,
Saying belief in the laws of physics and relativity ruins everything...
Faith rules the heart and gives purpose to the mind, there within lyes the soul.
>>703400049
>lyes the soul
my sides
>>703397286
Why's this suddenly such an iconic line for you fucks?
It's been said a million times before, it's literally nothing.
>>703399602
Why are you so desperate for meaning?
We exist because a super dense particle, containing all elements exploded and the universe has been expanding ever since. We are the product of billions of years of development starting with the most simple of
organisms.
Nothing means anything
>>703399896
I have money, though it does not rule my dreams.
Seeking something which has such limited value is a pointless effort, and it is ironic you would seek something which holds value based solely on confidence/faith.
>type: "why does no ey hold value in society?"
>>703400251
Why's this suddenly such an iconic line for you fucks?
It's been said a million times before, it's literally nothing.
>>703397286
key is nihilistic hedonism
>>703397286
Wow, rudimentary realizations. You're a fucking brilliant goddamn genius.
>>703400441
Without money you live a shitty life and your problems get worse and worse
>>703400423
What created the particle?
If matter is energy, and energy is a wave what sustains it?
The big bang theory is faith based to a certain extent as well, prove it is real.
>>703398668
You are a really stupid cunt dude, god.
>>703400251
I know right
>Greeks say it
>Kierkegaard says it
>Nietzsche says it
Appears in cartoon it must be deep
>>703400512
Bingo, search history for where it leads...
>>703397286
Come watch TV
>>703400693
Maybe so, though that is what happens when there are few to no checks and balances at the highest reaches of society.
>>703400707
That whole "what created the particle" argument works for god too. It's impossible to be infinite so who created the grand creator?
Well not faith more like "it's the best we've got until we figure it out".
Science doesn't claim to have all the answers, that's you faggots, it's about progress and we haven't figured it out yet. We're pretty early in human development tbh considering how long we've existed compared to the planet
>>703400423
The elements were formed after the fa t according to the theory.
>>703401420
well there you go then. The higgs Boson particle contained everything essential for the universe to develop
>>703401225
I am not them, I have faith and reason. It is not out of the question to hypotheses our universe was created, according to the laws of thermodynamics energy can neither be created nor destroyed, so it would stand to reason our origins, this origins of our universe as we know it rest outside of the known universe.
I have faith in design and purpose, not organized cult mentalities.
>>703401872
Yet the theory does not explain its origins or its sustained state in our universe, neither does it explain the laws of physics, what sustains them?
>>703398186
Find your connection to my cock with your asshole.
>>703402451
False on every account.
>>703397286
nobody exists on purpose, but you can choose to exist with purpose.
you only belong where you make yourself belong.
we're all going to die, so what are you going to do with the tiny amount of time you have?
>>703402451
that's the mindset of failure
>>703402490
Triggered.
>>703402619
Or a realist.
Ok.
>>703402574
Well that seems like a reasonable assumption, though I can say death may be overcome in the next few decades by way of gene editing and nano technology.
>>703402230
Scientists have only recently proven the existence of the Higgs Boson so it's gonna be while until they discover its origin. Quantum physics is a very young field of science and we're still so early on in our existence (looking at the bigger picture) so we're far off from having all the answers. In the mean time don't go putting faith in a magic designer who lives in the sky
>>703402619
It's narrow minded, yet it does not totally connect with the act of failing.
we all belong here on 4chan you dipshit.
>>703402533
>wrong
>wrong
>everyone will live forever then? fucking wrong cunt
>>703403095
Artificial intelligences/intellects would/will say the same thing once we create virtual worlds advanced enough.
>we does not exist, durr
>>703403276
With advances in gene editing and nano technology we may.
>>703403095
The very fact that the universe is ordered and obeys laws hints at a creator.
>>703403252
Free will, pre ordained programming?
A little of both
>>703398186
I was raised Christian. I believe it is a good moral compass to follow. The people in my church were mostly great people, etc. I just simply believe there is some sky genie pulling the strings. I live like a Christian in my day to day life. im genuinely curious as to how you feel about this.
>>703403629
Well until that becomes a reality everyone will die and you are still wrong.
And when our consciousnesses exist virtually doesn't that raise the philosophical/metaphysical question: "are we still alive (like a plant/animal) and therefore is it possible to die?"
>>703403809
Do you think I am Christian simply because I have faith in purpose and reason?
I have faith in God yes, though cultist single minded groups which dictate Gods will seem blasphemous to me, and I would not pretend to speak for God.
>>703397286
Thanks, Captain Obvious.
>>703404102
is world may be "artificial" in a sense, yet here we are experiencing it as though it were real.
I have a philosophy, "treat everything as though it real even if you are sure it is not".
>>703404243
I assumed you were some sort of Christian, yes. What would you consider your religion to be based on your beliefs?
You say you believe in God which suggests you're something under the umbrella term of Christian.
>>703403792
Well if there was a creator (there is not) why would it have made you so retarded? Seems cruel to me
>>703404476
*this
>>703403792
But what is the creator? This is why I'm agnostic, how could we possibly define something like that without tangible evidence? The concept of god isn't unfeasible, but I just don't believe we have a fraction of the sentience we need to comprehend it, at least not yet. Besides, the universe at the quantum level is still new territory for us and it throws all kinds of quandaries at what we believe to be the standard structure of physical laws. That, and we still haven't come close to discovering the nature of dark matter/energy, which makes up the majority of everything.
It all comes down to a matter of faith, I guess. I just think we need to be patient.
>>703398186
Define "God".
>>703404512
Titles are not necessary or desired.
The universe is order forming out of chaos with very firm laws as its structure, this is my faith and destiny.
>>703397286
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>>703404944
You and I are walking the same path.
May you find purpose in existence.
>>703404476
this may very well be a simulation developed by beings that have already reached a point we cannot comprehend.
Check out Elon Musk's view on this it's interesting coming from a smart guy.
The existence of a creator is not important because what we are experiencing is something important. Like Rene Descartes proposed "I think therefore I am" meaning if this is a dream/ simulation or reality it doesn't matter as we are cerebrally experiencing it so we are alive
>>703405386
Wanna bang?
>>703405061
God cannot be defined or known from where we stand here and now.
We are a 3D being trying to comprehend a 10³³D being(probably something unlimited/infinite), ounce we evolve further maybe then we can know.
>>703405333
It's not about emos self pitying, it's about accepting the truth that life does not have intrinsic meaning and all meaning is a social construct.
"Human beings are the only creatures on Earth that claim a god and the only living thing that behaves like it hasn't got one”
>>703405399
We cannot know, though I love hearing theories on the meaning of life and the origins and purpose of reality.
Elon Musk is a great mind.
>>703405333
Great! Awesome Triad!
>>703403809
i find the notion of a giant white guy sitting on a throne in the sky to be pretty unbelievable as well. That said, i find it equally unlikely that we are just here as a result of a lucky throw of a dice
>>703405808
It's not about me being happy and content with myself. It's about accepting the truth that life does have intrinsic meaning and to remove meaning is a social deconstruction.
>>703405600
Straight and celibate by choice in order to preserve my inner unity and stimulate my creativity.
Thanks though.
>>703405775
I guess what I don't understand is why we have license to base legislation and social structures based off of something we don't understand. We don't know god. That doesn't mean we can't try, but why can't we accept that morality comes from human intuition and acknowledge that every milestone we've achieved was of our own merit? We don't give ourselves enough credit.
>>703406269
God cannot be known, yet Gods plan can be known by studying the totality of creation.
>>703406535
when you say us, who are you referring to? When you say "I" who are you referring to? You are infact referring to the unconscious mind, everything you do, everything you think you do consciously is actually just the flow, the flow from your unconscious mind to your conscious mind. The communication and harmony between them. And this communication and harmony is God, therefore God is inside you, everything we have is a result of God. Trying to control it, if a pianist became too conscious of him playing the keys, he's trying to fight with God, try to overthrow him and he fucks up and makes some shit music. It isn't him that's playing the piano, it's God playing it. When he was practicing to play the piano, before he knew how, that practice was actually a prayer, a prayer, asking God to give him the gift of being able to play the piano well.
>>703406535
Sorry, I'm drunk and trying to sound smart. I'm just saying, let's spend more time exploring our surroundings and less on consolidating resources. There's plenty to go around.
>>703406535
I see it as a collaborative effort, what gives us intuition and a desire to do the right thing? Our design, it is in our nature to act morally and strive for more than mediocrity.
>>703404544
Haha. Why you assume I'm retarded?
>>703397286
posting existential truisms doesn't make you deep or intelligent
>>703406299
See that's your problem. You think meaningful things must be intrinsic (belonging naturally), where as we as humans have created them: families, friends, intellectual achievement, art. For example animals live in packs but they don't have intellectual relationships, it's an instinct.
Or a better example, what we call love is just a chemical reaction in our brains telling us to fuck and reproduce. What we've done as a society is take it so much further so some people think it's the most important and motivational thing in the world.
>>703407206
I think you've shown your hand, I'm gonna go with you are.
And well because you believe the world was created by some being and not by chaotic atom expansion.
>>703406945
Not who you responded to, I like your views on music and accomplishment.
I will pray for my gifts and give more gratitude to God from now on, thank you.
>>703407352
Its always like this when school starts... the first year philosophy students always start posting things they think sound deep.
>>703404944
For me the biblical God is the creator.
Of course everyone loves to rely on science and if it's not 'proven' by science, then it's not to be believed. But everyone believes something they cannot prove but it's only the probability of being correct.
For instance, you don't know with absolute certainty that quarks exist. You have never physically observed a quark. You just have enough trust in scientists that when they tell you quarks exist, you believe them.
Even scientist observing the quark must trust that their senses give them an accurate description of the world and that the universe is logical.
>>703397286
Enlightenment is working for everything you have, true enlightenment is learning to give it away. These are why it is impossible for anyone who holds values of material positions to be happy, remember them and you are already dead. After you are dead, you have nothing to fear, then you have everything to be happy about.
>>703400049
Physics and relativity don't give a fuck about your beliefs you retarded nigger, it will be true regardless.
>>703407361
I believe perversion is natural for human beings, like burying excrement is natural for a cat and eating shit is natural for a fly. If perversion is a natural thing for humans, then our purpose is to pervert. Like a blow job, it isn't natural to give or receive a blowjob, it's a sexual perversion, but it's still natural, because humans are perverts. Our purpose is to twist, reverse, pervert. We call these acts creations. The meaning of human life is to pervert. Anything you say, I can pervert, I can twist, and you can do the same with anything I say, it's our meaning. But you say it isn't a meaning. It makes no difference really. This whole thread is just everyone perverting, adapting, quoting things they've read, saw, watched, Rick and Morty. The quote taken from Rick and Morty, it's made more gloomy, it's taken out of context. It's perverted. This is our meaning.
>>703408742
What sustains the pnyhsical laws of our reality? Furthermore why do you put faith in any theory? Big bang theory, string theory? Nope. Believing those could be true would require some measure of faith.
>>703409321
Wrong. You don't need faith. Science is based on whether or not you can prove your theory. Not faith.
>>703408742
but not parallel universes, you see physics only exist today because its all we know. tomorrow we could easily look back at your post and see how caveman and outlandish it sounded when we do in fact find out that anons views were, just as an example, right. the next step in physics throws all old beliefs out
>>703409055
You are speaking of breaking drawn lines and boundaries in general, and yes we are meant to go as far as we an go in every respect, yet exploration is only a small part of our purpose and life here.
>>703397286
Yes.
So it is up to us as individuals to make existance worth it for ourselves and others.
>>703407589
Hehe. So anyone who believes the world was created is retarded? Why do you believe this? There is no absolute proof that the world was not created... so it is not illogical or "retarded" to be believe it was.
How does the universe suddenly get created when the conservation of energy says that energy cannot be created or destroyed?
How can anything that follows specific rules and patterns not be designed? How can anything that conveys information not have an intelligence behind it?
If you're on a beach and see written into the sand "Jack was here," you'd say some one designed that. Why? You have no proof that it was designed.... but it's highly improbable that sand would randomly arrange itself that way, let alone convey information about some one named Jack.
It's the same with the universe and life. What are the odds that the big bang would lead to physics and physical constants that make it just right for life on earth? If any of the physical constant vary by a hare, then we wouldn't be here. It didn't have to be that way, but it is indicative of design.
Also, DNA gives instructions. What random process do you know gives instructions?
>>703409561
>>703409321
you guys are both right, science's theories would have to have faith, with substantial amounts of evidence of why it is such, but faith nonetheless, and science is also what is real
>>703409561
You must believe it is true in order to pursue the fact of whether or not it actually is.
Faith is the driving force behind discovery.
>>703409902
Well said.
>>703409704
Nothing wrong about that. Any time we can find a better explanation, we adopt it. If it can be proven that the theory of gravity is in fact wrong, then we should change it based on what can be proven to be more accurate. Simple blind faith however will bring us nothing but disaster.
>>703397286
>posts Rick and Morty meme.
>literal instant religious debate
>everyone who has posted is wrong anyway
>this post is wrong anyway
>god is dead
>science is dead
>I'm dead
>none of this exists
>reality is a figment of my imagination
>I don't exist
>reality doesn't exist
>>703403792
Classic watchmaker analogy. Read some David Hume to have your ass handed to you.
>>703409725
well since you've admitted to it being a Small part of our purpose, then maybe I can see it as a little more than just a small part? Maybe it's a medium sized part of our purpose? Hell, maybe it's a big part of our purpose? Perhaps it's a huge part of our purpose? Perhaps it's our only purpose and it gives our life intrinsic meaning. It makes us who we are. It is the essence of existence. no-one can prove me wrong either because this paragraph wouldn't have existed if there wouldn't have been meaning or purpose for it to have been created.
>>703409987
Exactly, faith in purpose and reason are not illogical in any sense.
>>703399317
Fuck off with the spiritual bullshit. Humans are just another species of animal with no higher purpose or reason for being here than a slug.
>>703410453
Your post proves otherwise.
>>703410453
What are people supposed to post? Family Guy themes? Jesus!
>>703410361
agreed, blind faith is when murder, lies, and betrayal happen, which is where fact and science come into play.
>>703397286
The depressed persian tow truck man
>>703410076
Uh...no. If you were to believe that something was true then why bother confirming it with scientific method at all? You are contradicting yourself.
>>703410590
And yours validates it.
>>703410076
Faith in reality. Not imaginary skydaddies.
>>703410666
Take it easy Satan.
>>703410666
underrated post, especially with the trip six
>>703410862
Shh. There are may goy souls to reap in this bread.
>>703410453
then why are you here? posting at this exact moment?
>>703410459
So you have faith in David Hume? or did you do research to a t that he did
>>703411042
Chance.
>>703410475
Waters nature is more than flow. We are greater than a singular desire, yet as an individual your purpose in part rests in the actions of your character. Free will is guided majorly by your desires, overcome them or embrace them, it is up to you to decide..
>>703411184
Do you have faith in not David Hume?
>>703411042
I'm not. You're arguing with an infinite number of your own consciousness simultaneously in a universe of your own creating.
So am I.
>>703410507
Proof?
>>703410076
Would like to add that it is not faith but human curiosity that drives discovery.
>>703411184
I just think he makes an interesting argument as to why "hurt durr a watch has a maker and therefore God exists" is a dumb fucking argument.
>>703410459
Haha. I said hints at design... not proof. It has to do with probability of something being designed verses not being designed.
>>703411359
You kill someone they rot. You kill a slug it rots. Evidently in life slugs and humans are very different as far as biological entities go. In death they're just differently arranged rotting carcasses.
>>703411224
>Free will is guided majorly by your desires
False.
Free will is merely the product of your experiences. You don't choose whether or not to believe something, you're either convinced or you're not. And that is determined by the information that's been presented to you in the past.
>>703411317
if we are individuals, that means we exist, which is science which you said didn't exist but you just proved it existed by your post
>>703410720
Issac Newton once believed in gravitational relativity, then he sought to prove it to others using mathematics. We seek to give clarity to our beliefs through logic and reason.
Issac Newton also believed in God.
>>703411575
true, I do need more proof than that, but to say the universe was created by luck or chance, is equally dumb as it just is because of intelligent design
Lol funny thread dont mind me im just eating mushies magic mushies reading this
shouldn't this be in /x/ or some shit
>>703410746
I have fasith in God though I am not a Christian, my faith rests in purpose and reason.
>>703411920
shouldn't you be masturbating on mlp
>>703411997
shit, you caught me
>>703409902
ever heard of Bertram's teapot. Just because you cannot prove something doesn't exist, doesn't mean it fucking exists.
Eg. I can say there is a tea pot in Saturn's ring and just because you don't have the means to disprove that doesn't mean it is true.
>>703411693
All life is just a slightly different configuration of a few chemicals. Most non living things are just slightly different from that. We are made of elements forged in stars. Eventually we will revert to our base elements. Eventually this world will do the same, followed by our solar system, our galaxy, and our pocket of the universe. We will be recycled into stardust and be born again fused into Red dwarfs, and last for hundreds of trillions of years as energy for future iterations of organic versions of ourselves born from another star. Then they will repeat this argument on their version of this site, and nothing has purpose.
Define God.
>>703412081
true, but there is a chance that it does exist
Lol no it dosnt needa b in /x/ its not like im snorting coke of a hookers cunt
>>703409902
you are really misinterpreting science based on your elementary school education
Nobody exists on purpose.
Nobody belongs anywhere.
We're all going to die
Come post on /b/?
>>703412163
most people define God as a higher being in another dimension/plane of existence, not held down by our constructs of reality
>>703411822
He discovered it, and then produced a way to explain gravity. He did not however, prove God. You can also reliably show the effects of gravity in a laboratory(or anywhere really). You cannot do the same with religion.
>>703412145
The purpose of life is to experience. You experience a lack of purposelessness. That is your experience, your truth. Your experiencing of this and realization of this untruth, this lie, is the purpose and mine is this. Yet we are both wrong. The only difference between you and me is I believe that to experience is the purpose. To experience something. Anything. To be anything and to experience anything. That is the purpose of life.
If were all gona die u should show us how its done b an hero ....record it
>>703411860
I don't really understand why the universe just existing forever as a constant is as dumb as thinking there's a purpose to it.
>>703411557
What drives you to ask why? Is it that you know there is more than what you see, or that you believe there is?
It depends of course, though many theories rely on unseen forces we cannot directly view, yet we have faith enough to seek them based on what we know or think we know.
>>703412145
> last for hundreds of trillions of years as energy for future iterations of organic versions of ourselves born from another star.
That's not "we", just our atoms. "We" are now and never again.
It's funny though. 300 trillion years from now maybe two atoms from my body will meet again in the equivalent to a neckbeard posting on and edgy /b/ thread. That'd be so amusing.
>>703411747
We aren't individuals though. We are all an infinite version of the same consciousness which is both simultaneously held by and not held by each of us and none of us. Nothing exists. This argument only exists in your mind. You created an opposing argument to challenge yourself. So did I. Neither one of us did, but we both did in an infinitely varying version of this. Reality doesn't exist. You are your own god.
"i see no god"
>>703412340
but gravity is technically just a theory. there could be some type of particle unknown to us that doesn't obey gravity
>>703403792
Except that's a load of crap. It could hint at absolutely anything; just because human beings can make things, doesn't mean the universe was "made" by some conscious being in a remotely similar manner. It could be something beyond our ability to comprehend, ie: it may not even have a beginning. It may simply have "been" and continues to be without any sign of an end.
>>703411575
Way to construe an argument. The argument is:
anything that is complex and improbable is likely has an intelligence behind it. The more complex and improbable, the higher the improbability. We do this subconsciously. If we see a house in the desert, we are going to automatically assume some one built it.
The Human Brain is more complex than any computer created. Is it probable that a bunch of random processes, which no direction, over 13 billion years would come up with something as complicated as the human brain?
>>703412524
its a real thing?
>>703411693
How did they come to be initially? What sustained their physical forms? Where is their consciousness now?
>>703412638
We are such simple creatures.
>>703411822
He also dedicated a lot of study to the dimensions of Noah's ark, which he believed in.
And also believed in the Philosopher's stone.
>Imagine those contradictions for such a seemingly intelligent man
>>703412329
"not held down by our constructs of reality"
Hmm. That could be twisted to mean that you think god is not real. This definition needs work.
Anyway, what does believing in a god do for you?
>>703411739
Your experiences and your nature drive desire.
>>703412524
It's they are both juts two highly unlikely scenarios, life on its own is unlikely to happen, but yet it does. It's stupid to think we are just here to be here, or not to be here. And it
s ridiculous to think we were sent here by an omnipotent being to test our faith against an equally opposite omnipotent being
>>703412849
Chance. Laws of Physics. Nowhere.
>>703412638
That's exactly right. We are right now. But what makes us 'we' is our atoms. Without them, we do not exist. We do not exist anyway, only our atoms which are arranged just right to make us believe that we do exist. You and I and everyone here. Everyone you have ever met, ever will meet, or will never meet, are the same atoms, arranged differently enough to believe we have a meaning and that we are individual.
>>703402451
that pic bothers me
morty said that, not rick
>>703412904
We're fairly complicated fam. We're changing the earth way, way, WAY faster than any other creature before us. Not special, but certainly not simple.
>>703412927
i think believing in a God means believing in something or someone that had created the universe and everything in it. i don't really pray a lot because i think God left this universe to work on another one, so prayers wont work. im just a normie though, so idk.
>>703412081
>>703412193
^This
No where did I say "this proves a Creator". This is all probability. This shows that a Creator is not an insane notion but highly probable.
>>703413079
Yeah. Same hardware different software. Software is important.
>>703413079
what makes up atoms?
>>703412340
Religion and God are not the same thing, and I would say the order in our universe is, if not proof, a very strong argument for a creator.
So. Lets just assume, for the sake of debate, that the universe had a beginning, and will have an end. How do you guys think it will meet its demise?
>>703398186
Thats retarded in s o many ways
>>703413356
nothing ever ends
>>703412246
Does science even have an interpretation? I thought it was all facts?
Please tell me what I'm misinterpreting.
>>703413461
So, you think that the universe will never end, or that it will be reborn after its death?
>>703412910
To be able to suspend disbelief in order to come to know something more is a sign of a high intellect.
>>703413224
I don't have a problem with your belief, other than to say I don't see the purpose of it. You seem believe in something that will never know of you, communicate with you, or affect your life in any way.
Again, I don't have a problem with that. We do live in a world where "clopping" and "babyfurs" are a thing, so your belief is as benign as weird behaviors go. Stick with it!
>>703413220
Depends what scope you use, which is what I was getting at (because it's fun to think with bigger scopes).
>>703413067
Proof?
>>703413687
Occam's razor.
>>703412814
yes it's called natural selection and gene mutation.
It's 2016 just fucking get your shit together
>>703413583
Reborn after its death if i had to be a guessing man, this can be supported by science and religion
>>703413621
Thanks man! I definitely think He checks in every once in a while, but He's been alive for so long that His concept of time is drastically different than ours. So the Second Coming may happen in one second for Him, but in one million years for us. But this is getting into extremely religious and biblical stuff
>>703413079
From many one, and from one many. Atoms are condensed energy, energy is a wave, what sustains the wave we call matter?
>>703412615
Ah, the good old cyclical way of thinking. Come on, you're asking me why I ask why.
I dunno, maybe cause humans evolved and developed intelligence that was useful to their survival as a species through the making of tools that could only be facilitated by early ancestors who survived and passed on their genes because they were curious enough to see what would happen if they kept that ember alive to start another fire or what would happen if they tied a pointy rock and a stick together to make a spear. For instance.
Look, bottom line is religion is not needed for progress, in fact it actively hampers human development. Also don't ask cyclical questions because then you'd never get anywhere.
If death is inevitable, then why not commit suicide?
Wouldn't that be the only logical choice?
>>703399317
without name calling : you dont need god to make sense of your llife
You dont need to believe, thats a pascals wager and its already had been disproven.
>>703413310
Quarks, gluons, etc. More chemicals.
>>703413301
If we are nothing more than a collection of atoms and chemicals, then our consciousness is one of two things. If we are individuals, then the consciousness has to be something not being affected by our smallest building blocks. A spirit or a soul, which means a creator placed it there.
If it is not a spirit or a soul, then it is just more chemical processes stared by the same atoms and compounds that form the rest of us, and we are not truly individual. To believe in true individuality, you must believe in a creator.
The universe is a man made mental construct. Time is a man made mental construct. Reason, rationality, and everything you have ever experienced are man made. They were made by atoms and chemicals. They will become nothing. They already are nothing. They do not exist. You and I are the same person.
>>703412736
Sure. If it is proven to exist then we'll try to fit it into the standard model.
>>703413644
Well, there are things more complicated than us, like, say, the weather of Jupiter. But at least we can have discussions about stuff and all the gas in Jupiter or all the mass in Sagittarius A can't, so we're complicated in a cool way.
>>703413224
Prayer has been scientifically proven to make anything prayed for more likely to happen, no matter what you pray to.
Really. Look it up.
>>703413856
I like to think that all the dark energy/matter that is causing the expansion of the universe to expand will eventually run out, causing the universe to reverse and move inwards, eventually ending in another singularity, like the Big Bang, leading to a second or third or whatever number Big Bang
>>703413782
Occams razor isnt a proof you fucking moron
>>703414004
> The universe is a man made mental construct.
Yeah? Ok, let me imagine a big red button that ends it all...
Everyone in thread prepare to /0!
>>703414101
Really? That's actually really cool! I still think I wont do it though, I used to but none of them ever worked so I stopped after a while
>>703413439
Name calling proves nothing other than insecurity, and a lack of vocabulary.
>>703413461
Caugh* bs alert
>>703413315
Fair point. Religion!=God.
But as for the existence of a creator, we have no proof, you see, so I can't believe in one right now.
>>703413801
Haha. Natural Selection takes after life has been created. How did the universe, with it's random undirected processes, even lead to life? After life was created, DNA started doling out instructions. How do you get instructions from a random undirected process?
>>703414230
True. But my answers to your questions are perfectly falsifiable. Please, do.
So does anyone else in here believe in evolution/natural selection and a God?
>>703414136
this is something I could actually get behind and there are theories out there that can prove this, and recently they sent out waves and got a response which means that there is an end of the universe
>>703414350
ok give me something that has ended
>>703413521
I misread your post and thought you were looking for help rather than defending.
Anyway, your understanding of the universe seems to be on the level of "crappy documentary". The same level as the "maybe aliens built the pyramids in Egypt" stuff. While not understanding is a crazy thrill, there is a certain beautify to understanding and knowing where we need to look next, so I would pursue it.
>>703413584
Clearly he was very intelligent. But also lived in a time where empirical scientific evidence was lacking and the church was holding back progress.
He was also on the cusp of a paradigm changing theory that without greater knowledge may have wrongly attributed to a higher power.
>we can all agree a stone changing matter into gold is retarded tho
If you were a true nihilist you wouldn't even mind any of this.
>>703414539
currently there are three widely believed ends for the universe, which include that one, the Big Heat (or something like that) and the Big Rip
>>703414654
10/10
>>703414407
No proof doesn't mean you can't believe. People believe things based on high probability too. Just how high depends on the person.
If your friend says he went to the bank today, you'd believe him even though you have no proof. Why? The probability of him not lying about something mundane is high.
>>703414684
oh yeah, isn't that when everything becomes so distant from each other that it rips the universe and it ceases to exist?
>>703413930
Religion≠faith.
Without meaning and purpose humanity will continue to struggle and fail.
Progress should not be forced, progress should come with stability which is something we must seek first.
>>703414817
yeah, that's the Big Rip. I think the other one is like the universe runs out of energy and everything slowly dies one by one
>>703414779
Did u just say the existence of a creator is mundane
ITT: atheists can't into common sense
Normies: 1
Atheists: 0
>>703398186
Yeah, I mean, look at Sweden, the most atheistic nation on the planet: They're an absolute hell-hole...
Oh, wait, they're not.
>>703414004
>says Atoms is made up of chemicals
The first thing is bs
And the second is bs too
The universo isnt a man made mental constructo stop saying stupid shit....
Indeed reason, rationality are man made, gj for not spiting shit m8.
Only 1 thing yo said was less dubius: time is a man made constructo, there are some studies about the nature of time and if it truly exists
Consciousness is a spectrum not a thing, it has come to be as we know it through evolution
>>703414091
Scope way out, past the reasons why the laws of Physics work they way they do, past the things Physicists don't talk about for fear of getting muddled up.
I was thinking about us compared to flies really. We waste our time on an image board, amused by trivial things. Flies get their legs pulled off. Both result in an "oh well", "hopefully our connected energy does something cool later".
Just messing around of course.
>>703414590
>there is a certain beautify to understanding and knowing where we need to look next, so I would pursue it.
You can believe the universe is created and still want to understand how it works and came to be. The two aren't mutually exclusive.
>>703415153
I think having a belief in a purpose doesn't directly mean there's a God. You could say that the purpose of life is to pass on your genes through reproduction, something that is what most species find to be the true purpose
>>703415153
kek
>>703398186
This guy gets it. The most depressing thing about this thread is people not getting this. You're all a bunch of newfag edgelord 12 year olds who can't comprehend that "atheism cos science" is just as retarded as "Christian cos bible", and your rejection and ridicule of organised religion is stunningly ironic given science only governs the how of existence to a point and completely neglects the why.
Inb4 there is no why, just because you decided your life is worthless doesn't mean everyone else's is and that there's no reason to existence. Try explaining how evolution caused Japanese TV, then kill yourself because if your life is meaningless you have literally no reason not to.
>>703413991
To make sense of your life you must find purpose in it and faith can be a powerful tool in finding meaning in life.
Meaning is critical for self discovery, without faith in something you have sense in nothing.
>science, reason, logic included
>>703414950
oh yeah I just looked it up thats some shit, when temperatures will no longer work in modern physics
>>703414136
Matter doesnt cause expansion
>>703415351
Your purpose could be to better yourself or the world.
You don't need to believe in fairy tales to have a purpose.
>>703415311
Yep, but rather than arguing about that, how about actually doing it.
>>703415107
Nope. You friend going to the bank, in this hypothetical scenario, is mundane.
All we can do is hasten the coming of the end. The universe is indifferent. The universe is not meant for the living.
>>703414332
>without name calling : you dont need god to make sense of your llife
You dont need to believe, thats a pascals wager and its already had been disproven.
This was me
>>703415153
Sweden has its own problems.... >>>>>>/pol/
>>703415153
But they fucking are a hellhole you moron. The lack of a Christian base is one of the biggest reasons they got cucked by muslims rapefugees. The more religious a country is, the harder it is for the muslim disease to penetrate it.
>>703414329
Its only a small increase in potential, yet I believe if more studies were done we would find that willpower, want, desire play a role in increasing these chances.
>>703415556
>how about actually doing it
I don't follow. Arguing about what? Doing what?
Thefuckishappeninghere
>>703415516
Exactly. You could think of a purpose in a scientific, religious, nonreligious, or nonscientific manner. Or anything in between
>>703415407
there can be meaning in life without spirituality/divinity, its called hedonism.
btw ive seen god 15 hits deep LSD and also 2 days on meth and DMT and nox.
the thin air 4 inches in front of my eyes exploded with infinite detail and i saw reality breath and everything was apart of it.
>>703414407
Fair enough, reserve your right to change your opinion in case it is true.
First they take the dinglebop, then smooth it out with a bunch of shleem. The shleem is then repurposed for later batches.They take the dinglebop and push it through the grumbo. Where the fleeb is then rubbed against it. Its important that the fleeb is rubbed, because the fleeb has all the fleeb juice. Then a shlammie shows up and he rubs it and spits on it. They cut the fleeb. There are several hizzards in the way. The blamfs run against the trumbles and the ploobis and grumbo are shaved away. That leaves you with a regular old plumbus
>>703414450
From H20 and then single celled life and then gene mutation has lead us to where we are now over billions of year. Natural selection cannot be defined one way it's just the process of superior life forms continuing to survive.
DNA instructions are just the formation of amino acids that then form proteins. It's a process of evolution, it wasn't designed.
Don't you account for all the life forms that exist for only hours/ days at a time, what is their purpose?
And animals that exist by laying eggs in brains or parasites that only live by killing other animals, contributing nothing. Why were they designed? Makes more sense that that just exist through natural selection
>>703397286
Come watch TV?
>>703415723
Well, when I prayed for something specific, it was something largely out of my hands (for example, a relative in the hospital)
>>703397286
thanks for reminding me, asshole
>>703398186
Not sure if bait or not, will add fuel to fire.
A society needs a commonly agreed upon set of moral rules. Religion is the most effective way to achieve this. Religion provides a common morality, a group identity, and a belief that the well-being of the group is more important than individual profit. Without these three things, life is likely to have no meaning
It is possible to achieve these three things without religion, but it takes religion to get to that point. France has very strong separation and church and state, but had a strong religious presence for several centuries. And students in France begin studying Descartes and Volatire in grade school. The U.S. tries to have that kind of separation of church and state without the steps needed to make it work, leading to the problems you see in America today. Chicago has had more than 500 murders this year, to provide an example of what separation of church and state without morality provides.
>>703415351
Lol species aren't declaring their desired purpose. Life has as much real purpose as a computer game (although there's a lot more variety and things to do IRL).
>>703405333
>>703414857
You're preaching up the wrong tree here. What do you mean without meaning and purpose we'll continue to fail? Stability?? Better make sure you're sitting down cause it's a shocker, there is no intrinsic meaning to any of this. None at all.
Also how fucking deluded do you have to be to believe that out of all the fucking trillions of planets in this mind bendingly massive universe, out of the thousands of religions and faiths on our tiny wet rock in space, that one of said religions/faiths is correct.
I'm out.
>>703416050
Well, that was the best way to word it. But that is the main way animals think. Survive, sex, repeat.
>>703415763
Arguing: believe the universe is created + wanting to understand = possible
Doing: pursuing understanding
>>703415567
You compared that to the existence of God. That your friend who wrote the Bible or any religious text proclaiming a creator or messiah is no big deal, just trust him, cause that shit is mundane yo. That's ridiculous.
>>703414604
Neutron bombardment of mercury isotopes causes a transmutation turning the mercury into Gold.
Knowing that some materials naturally produce neutrons, and thinking that hypothetically some ancients new of a way to stimulate and control the release of these sub atomic particles (even though they probably did not know why it worked)we could conclude that the philosophers stone could have existed in one form or another.
So changing the subject, what style do you guys use?
>>703414450
Wrong.
There is a thing called chemical evolution, retard
>>703415940
I'm aware of the theory. Scientist have yet to create life from just amino acids. The Miller–Urey experiment failed at this. Life from non-life has yet to be proven experimentally.
Where did the instructions from DNA come from?
To know why animals were designed, you'd have to ask the designer.
>>703416538
Chemical evolution? Like when a creature is exposed to chemicals and develops mutations, which are passed on to future generations?
>>703415876
Yes.
>>703416485
Transmuting metal is an alchemy practice.
But a stone that can turn any material into gold is fucking retarded
>>703416198
Why are you so sure I'm not pursuing understanding?
>>703416180
Humans are pretty habit driven, I've heard people say that you can't destroy a habit only replace it, because the dopamine trigger that precedes the action never goes away.
Anyway, there's the places where we are most content, there's the direct we're inevitably going to go as a whole, and there's the random things people like devoting their lives too.
Of course the real purpose it to find Jessica Rabbit.
>>703416130
I said nothing about religion being the answer.
>>703416802
Do it and you'll see.
>>703416848
Kek yeah, Jessica Rabbit = Philosopher's Stone
>>703398186
I believe people are better than the his they worship.
>>703416719
You misunderstand, I was saying there could be more to the story which formed the legend.
>>703416485
>ancients
This isn't Game of Thrones you fucking shit stick.
There's no way anyone in the past has stumbled on some kind of magic like force which is now forever lost.
Please please (for your own sake) don't tell me you believe in ghosts or magic or any old shit
>>703416993
You said faith. Faith in what?
>>703416377
Haha. Mundane was used in the hypothetical scenario about your friend going to the bank.
Transmuting that word to a different scenario and claiming it as my argument is a fallacy. There are other reasons why you'd believe a claim by a friend other than mundane. Jesus's apostles believed him because he performed miracles for example.
>>703416719
ah well in that case fair enough and that does sound legit
>>703416668
no, the process which atoms evolve into more complex molecules like lipids, sugars (which is a part of DNA), and nucleotides.
Lipids congregate to form micelles, which are basically soap bubbles that can trap nucleic acids and protect them from the outside environment. From there, nucleic acids can replicate and evolve into different combinations of nucleotides.
Fast forward like a billion or so years, and you get what we would call a "single celled organism" that is defined to be "alive"
Fast forwards another billion years, those single cells evolve into multi-cellular organisms which have a division of labor of cells that carry out different functions to keep the organism alive.
Fast forward another billion or so years, and you get humans
>>703417247
Ancients are people from far in the past.
Neutron chain bombardment has changed mercury isotopes into Gold, so maybe someone long ago found a similar method too.
>>703416996
Haha. I'm already doing it.
>>703417421
you skipped dna rna, the real miracle
>>703417421
ah, ok
>>703416662
These instructions are just how the cells react with each other to form the proteins. They're not a recipe leading back to god
>>703417288
Faith in anything really, without purpose in your life there is no reason to exist which leads to depression and apathy.
I believe in God, and have faith in purpose and reason here in this reality, though I am not a Christian.
What do you have faith in?
>>703417703
I didn't say they were. I'm just asking where they came from? What random, undirected process gives instructions?
>>703398186
i believe in sucking cocks for an eternity will make me become e better person
>>703417349
You likened it to blind faith. That was just how I interpreted it.
And you think that a millenia old book which has gone through countless translations and changes is trustworthy? If I saw Jesus' second coming you can bet I'll be a good Christian. Disregarding the absolutely miniscule chances that any of our earthly religions are even remotely close to the truth in this nearly infinite universe. Listen to yourself. Miracles?
>>703417593
you know that nucleotides ARE RNA and DNA... right?
RNA was most likely first, since ribosomes that make proteins are made from ribosomes reading RNA templates.
Once DNA took hold, I can only imagine how fast that sparked evolution since DNA is a significantly more stable molecule than RNA
>>703417421
Abiogenesis has yet to be proven
>>703417762
Although what you believe is a lie. Some people are alcoholics to avoid the existential dread, you just convince yourself this life is more than what you can see
>>703417989
you're kidding, right?
>>703417895
If that is the meaning you have found which leads your path then it is valid, yet doesn't it seem a bit lacking? Why not do more than suck?
>>703397286
get out the vote
>>703417890
maybe you're interpreting instructions too literally. They interact because they can and the basic life forms mutate and form more complex life
>>703417989
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRzxTzKIsp8
>>703417895
Are you a priest?
Slight newfag question, what's the number in the tab mean? Just noticed it
>>703417995
No, I have found purpose in being the best I can be, helping others, and believing there is great purpose to every life and hasppening.
Perhaps your avoiding asking questions
>>703398186
having a religion is the pussy way out accepting death is real will keep you alive think if you believe in an afterlife you will be more willing to kill yourself if you are an athiest like myself you dont know what happens after death i could be an after life or it could just be a pop into nothingness accept it accept life for what it really is
>>703417966
>You likened it to blind faith
It's faith but not blind faith.
>And you think that a millenia old book which has gone through countless translations and changes is trustworthy?
The bible is the most carefully copied, handled book ever. In the middle ages monks spent years copying the bible word for word. It is more reliable copy from the original than any other ancient works. It even matches some of the passage of the death sea scrolls (found in 1947) dating back a few centuries BC.
>>703418247
First words, "Scientist have reason to think..."
Reason to think is not proof
>>703417762
I guess I believe in my own existence. It's the only thing you can be sure of.
Belief in God is just that, it's comfortable to not have to deal with the fact that nothing matters and everybody's gonna die. So you chose to believe that if you're a good human being for the duration of your time here on earth you get to spend eternity in heaven after you die. But I think deep down almost all theists have their doubts and that's why religion emphasizes the concept of belief so strongly. They need you to be cooperative so they can continue to keep you under their thumb and within their control.
>>703400423
Doesnt explain why just here. We'd see life everywhere else, after all it wadnt by chance?
>>703418518
You did not read my post
If you do not know what comes next or what created this realm why are you not an agnostic instead?
>>703418606
Oh come on. Humans copied it and humans err. Also, try explaining the different sects the same belief. Even you guys can't agree among yourselves.
>>703418685
Scientists have reason to think that North Korea had an atomic bomb test yesterday.
Does that mean it didn't happen? No, we have proof because of seismographs.
If you're bored with the first part of the video, skip to 3:45
>>703418169
The DNA sequences GTAC are converted to messages that are used to produce protein. Where did the sequence come from?
>>703418710
So I am religious now because I believe in God, purpose and reason? That is very specious reasoning...
I would believe in God even if I were immortal, and organized religion along with forced modes of thought are toxic.
>>703418780
there is no why. only chance. we are here because here is the only place we could exist. if here were any different, we wouldn't be. given the concept of an infinite universe, the probability of a here existing somewhere is 100%. Thus we exist - not to fulfill some purpose, but because the odds of not existing are 0%.
>>703417890
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRzxTzKIsp8
Skip to 3:45 if you are bored with the first part
>>703419367
Does not answer the question of what created the energy that created our existence.
Everything is based on something. We dont create out of nothing, we take something and adapt it. Religion js based on nature. God the creator, bringer of the light: the sun. The other, destroyer, bringer of deceipt and everything thay isnt good: the night. Theres always a fight inside of us. We're part of nature but dont abide by natures laws. We study the system: science. Hence when we say eve had a taste of the tree of knowledge, is eve science? After all, we are doing things which go against nature, survival of the fittest is a fine example. We have all these diseases now because of it. We are not adapting, we are holding back. Sure, like loosing your eye sight makes your other senses stronger, you now have people who are physically limited but extremely bright. We are but a tiny grain of mustard in the universe. Insignificant. We create our own problems and drown in them.
>>703397286
>>>703418710
>I would believe in God even if I were immortal, and organized religion along with forced modes of thought are toxic.
Good to see we agree on something.
Though my point stands. If it can't be proven, then you shouldn't believe in it.
We may never see eye to eye but as long as theists don't harm others for their beliefs then do whatever you want.
It's a free universe.
