You have 10 second to justifiably name a better system of government.
>protip: you can't
>>703310280
nationalist socialist
>>703310280
Absolute monarchy
seba basta fare dei thread
>>703310280
Mainlander Chinese Non-Communist Soviet-Like Government.
You can claim you're a commie while you're not and get your ass rich while seeing others suffer.
Checkm8
>>703310280
>>703310326
>>703310418
Nice justification faggots
Democracy - proper say of the people
"haha what communism is responsible for hundreds of millions of deaths the last century? no no it just hasnt been implemented correctly yet lol"
>>703310280
communist is a great system, if you are a fucking ant with no sentience. it all breaks down when you introduce the idea of self and self preservation.
Mussolini's fascist Italy
Neo-Marxist Totalinarianism
>>703310547
"Democracy is the dictatorship of the majority."
-Socrates
Take a lesson on world views you 13 year old pleb new fucking faggot.
kys
A REPUBLIC
>>703310280
>>703310729
Variations on a theme really.
America #1,
>>703310560
That was never communism. That was dictatorships under the 'communist' banner. A communist system sees the eventual abolition of a government and currency as the world will be equally free and prosperous, without the need of a government. It is a great system that has never existed to this day.
>>703310326
/thread
>>703310280
Nothing beats full communism. I am a proud member of the communist party in my country.
>>703311022
This is true.
I've always been a firm believer of techocracy.
>>703310280
Anarchism
Hungarism :^>
>>703311276
top fucking kek,
You guys are a joke. A load of hipster cunts who hold iphones and wear urban outfitters, trying to sound hip with your psuedo-science punch lines on global warming and being vegan. best part is your all in arts and the smartest one out of you guys goes in managment...
>>703311276
Proud member of mine too. Luckily the support is still strong for communism in many countries. It's certainly not dead yet.
meritocracy
I've won.
>>703311730
yuo mean capitalism ...
and if so you failed miserably
>>703311632
You're confusing us with liberals my newfriend. All we desire is a peaceful, stressless society.
>>703311022
that's because all attempts at communism always end up in non-commie dictatorships. what makes you think that your attempt would end up any different?
>>703311632
i heard that that was shoe0nhead in that picture, am i correct?
i really hope so
>>703310280
Anarchistic Capitalism.
No need to force anyone to do nuffing.
>>703311276
please tell me all about the communist manifesto and das kapital.
tell me also about how beautifully unrealistic it is.
tell me how you would love to work your hardest just so uncle marx can say that you worked hard, harder, or the hardest...
have you fucking read his book {more like friedrich engles book} its a fucking joke.
i cant belive you can even think its possible.
unless we all turn into robots
>>703311884
who the fuck is that ?
>>703310280
I always thought libertarianism was the best form of government, but after being wrongfully imprisoned i decided whilst sharing my food with the other prisoners, (because the cops would throw away your food and not allow sharing) communism has its strong points
>>703311849
you are liberals...
the idea of SJW's is absolute communism.
the idea we are all the same ,black, white, asian,arab, female, male... is communism and absolute nonsense.
the idea of no genders is communism
the idea that you dont even have your own fucking wife...
you are fucking cucks absolutely disgusting,,, you even try to demolish cultures and histories....
>>703310280
Kids sorting their problems in the playground.
>>703310280
Benevolent Dictatorship.
With me as Dictator!
>>703310280
Feudalism..
Communism is literally capitalism 3.0; even Marx admits this. Feudalism has existed for hundreds of years prior. It's the optimum system of government, because it runs on loyalty rather than legality, fiefs rather than laws.
>>703310280
Democracy. It actually works.
>>703310280
Libertarian capitalism
-government has no say in the personal buisness decissions of individuals (e.g. no minimum wage=more jobs
-justice system and emergency services are impartial, and help all the same, but individuals can hire private, superior companies too.
-no public health or education, people NEED a job, they cant be dependent of the government, which would then be dependent of the rich
i can go on, but now you justify how yours isnt politician tyrany garbage. I happen to like freedom
>>703311921
Yeah... nice dream, but an small amount of non-intrusive government IS required.
>>703310280
Its always funny when you warch old coldwar propaganda videos.
They show that communism will make the people poor and take away theit property and make them basically to slaves.
And now the twist. That is all happening under capitalism right now.
In jugoslavija for example (we arr from there) my father told me one time communists say that in capitalism you will habe to pay for your medicine and medication. And the people wouldnt believe them because to them this was so absurd(they lived in socialism and had perfect care of.) If you got sick and needed a doctor, you got paid the drive to the doctor/hospital and a second person to go with you got also paid fir a whole day. You could go at 3 oclock in the morning to a dentist and get treated, and not a singe cent was to pay.
You could sleep overnight directly at the street and noone would care, when i see how homeless get threated in the great and perfect usa...... damn if you give a person in need somethung to eat, you broke the law.
Communism is not perfect, nothing is.
But i do not honestly think that we are living in the better system.
>>703312080
The manifesto is fucking terrifying, one of the things it first makes clear is the first generations have to be indoctrinated (which by the way has already started in the west).
>>703312719
It didn't last week, when we allowed your mom to choose who'd fuck her first. She just wanted the niggers, all the other fellas got really mad and it was a fucking war.
When we arrive silently, don't even say hi and just start pounding her in the ass, things go so much smoother.
the human factor will always ruin all ideologies
>>703312739
read this and see how stupid you are
fucking libertarians are so fucking stupid.
>>703313016
no one's going to read you shitty copypaste internet essay retard, create your own arguments
>>703311022
This
>>703312866
The US is far from capitalist. Its real capitalist era were the 20s and 50s (Coolidge was great). But the US has spent decades now turning into a pseudo socialist-capitalist abortion. Minimum wage, 1.7 trillion annualy to healthcare and social security, state run discrimination... that ISN'T capitalism. Its the welfare state the is going to destroy the west.
>>703313098
I read it and it's better than your libertarian trashy system. It will never fucking work. You think society will progress with no education?
Just because you're unemployed and contribute nothing to society.
>>703310280
Roman Republic
>>703313098
mfw you got rekt and your whole life philosophy just crashed and burned infront of your eyes bcs of a "shitty copypaste internet essay"
>mfw i have no face
top fucking kek libertarians a whole other lvl of stupid.
>>703312134
https://youtu.be/wjWBXbGVyQU she's amazing
>>703313016
Ok, ive read it andit parodies capitalism and libertarians, it twists reality to make it easier for you to debunk, because you cannot debunk it by itself, meanwhile ive already debunked communism and the welfare state. When you arein the right, it is easier to debunk your foes, since they are in the wrong.
>>703310280
>>703310326
This, because it's not communism.
>>703311022
ONE OF THE FIRST STEPS MARX WROTE WAS A COMMUNIST DICTATORSHIP.
Do you retards even read or know about what you economic iliterates are supporting?!?!
>>703313490
We beat you National Socialist fags 71 years ago. Good luck.
>>703311884
no, she's libertarian
>>703313454
its not parody homie... its how your system would actually work...
your laisez faire,,, invisible hand,,, any pay is fair pay according to the markets offering....
is as stupid and ludicrous as the communist system... anything at the end of the spectrum is retarded.... and you are at one end.
kys and start reading on republics , socialism , and rational nationalism.
>>703313490
thats fascist you cunt kys
nationalism isnt the same as fascism... fucking nazi scum shit.
>>703313684
>no, she's libertarian
i meant that it was shoe parodying the subject of the picture,
>>703310280
you cant be serious
Right wing authoritarian fascism. The weak shoukd fear the strong
>>703313775
Look up hitlers political party
Civil anarchy
>>703313702
>parody with no basis in reality
>its how your system would actually work
>>703313652
*Weather.
>>703313775
>[National Socialism] is fascist you cunt kys
>nationalism isnt the same as fascism... fucking nazi scum shit.
pick one.
>>703311022
And it never will. Communism relies on everyone pulling their weight and not slacking off. But in reality anyone that knows they can get paid for doing nothing will do nothing. It's good in theory but will never be achieved in real life.
>>703310280
Utilitarian Technocratic Meritocratic Confederation with a personal-level Libertarian twist
Because the leaders are picked based on skill and direction instead of by idiots, and the people are not bothered by bullshit, because Bureaucracy would hardly exist in such a government. Also, political-correctness would be almost non-existent.
And anyone who wants to leave can do so, because the government doesn't really fucking care.
national socialism
>>703312739
I disagree: Having everyone armed takes away the need for the 2 things government control:
1) Defense
2) Negative consequences for not fulfilling contracts and social norms.
>>703310280
A democratic election system where the more intelligent members of the population get a larger say in the election. For example, votes are discarded if there is poor justification as it is a waste of a number.
No society could properly benefit where a 76 IQ John who smokes weed and works minimum wage at McDonalds has the same say as a highly sophisticated, well-educated, smart thinking, well contributing 156 IQ man. This is why equity is flawed and will never properly works (communism and democracy)
Smarter and more beneficial members of the population would also receive priority access to welfare, benefits, healthcare, and services (both from the government and private corporations through laws).
This form of balanced social hierarchy would definitely work. It will never happen though as unproductive members (like the examples 'John') have too much of an influence in modern culture (through means of existing governments and social media) and the fact that they would be too hard to remove from the say of the population (considering they are the majority of the population).
>>703314326
And how do you plan on fixing problem of the inevitable elite few that would constantly be elected under a Utilitarian Technocratic society with a libertarian twist?
This would imbalance policies to focus on the richest few rather than focusing on the well-being of the people.
>>703310280
Any
Justification: Communism isn't a government type, it's an ideology by deffinition, and any government type is better than no government.
Checkmate.
>>703314524
Communism never existed in practise. That's not what he is referring to. He's obviously talking about the Marxist-Leninist system.
Checkmate.
>>703314655
Marxist Leninism is also an ideology.
If you mean government based on the United Soviet Socialist Republics, that government type is called a Republic. It's in the fucking name you div.
>>703314758
By United Soviet Socialist Republics I obviously mean Union of Soviet Socialist Republics
>>703314460
A democratic election system where only Home-owners and the Military can Vote.
If you don't have an investment in the State, you shouldn't be able to vote.
>>703314852
>>703314852
A Democratic Republic where only Home-owners and the Military can Vote.
If you don't have an investment in the State, you shouldn't be able to vote.
Also Republics have a way of protecting the individual from the mob...
>>703315000
Do you own your home if you haven't payed for the bank for the loan you took out to buy it yet?
Ancient Greek Polis Republic
People from the city just gathered around all together and everyone decided directly what they want, not through politicians. Women had no vote rights but who cares?
>>703314852
>A democratic election system where only Home-owners and the Military can Vote.
>If you don't have an investment in the State, you shouldn't be able to vote.
Chinese are money shuffling into american real estate, upping the cost of land in places on the west coast and are making shit cash, paying the govt very little (<$10,000). They're financially invested in the US, but they're not invested in the countries well being. What do then, anon?
>>703313702
>dont go to the extremes
>offers socialism and national socialism
you are a funny one
But seriously, i'm not extremist, im close to libertarian extreme, but i do not believe anarchist capitalims works, just like fascism, comunism and whatever fairyland liberals whant
>>703315221
As in, they're paid peanuts (<$10,000 yr) and paying very little taxes on it ($1,000 yr)
>>703315221
Can they get over here to vote?
Just reject the Visa application, and they'd be unable to influence it.
>>703315179
>Women had no vote rights but who cares?
Women care.
>>703310280
This site is 18+ faggot.
>>703310326
fpbp
>>703315419
Who asked them?
>>703315503
Other women and cucks
>>703314451
I personally disagre, since while true thaat an armed public could act as a first level of internal defence, an organiced, better equiped and trained police department should be the bottom line, whith some hireable security companies acting a copycat police. Also the government is required to act as defence from external threaghts, even if it hires PMCs.
And secondly armed citicents have to take it seriously, laws still aply to them, maybe no in the same way as the police, but they can't go trigger happy, the same even more so to private security (due to the need for a positive public apearance).
>>703311022
hahahahahahahahahahahahah
>not MY communism
Every fucking time.
>>703315221
>Chinese are money shuffling into american real estate, upping the cost of land in places on the west coast
So, Are they in town come vote day?
>>703315078
You would for intents and purpose
>>703315686
Then banks decide who can vote, and this would be a good system you think?
>>703310280
capitalism you stupid fuck because it goes along with human nature and channels the inherent greed which humans have for good from which everyone can benefit. Also, in a capitalist system, if I don't provide you with something, I starve. How is that not fucking fair?
>>703313576
No they just suck nigger dicks, smoke weed all day, throw rocks at random people and wear hammer and sickle patches because they're cool '''''''''''''''''''''''actavists'''''''''''''''''''''''' and the ''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''workers'''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''party even though none of them ever had a fucking job their life, just like their fat rich jewish messias marx.
>>703315000
>>703314460
I personally think that the best system would be one in which everyone votes, but the worth of your votes is decided by an exam youhave tofulfill, that checks your impartial knowledge of economics, politics, and that you are aware of the policies of each party.
>>703315686
>So, Are they in town come vote day?
You'd be surprised at the loopholes people can find and exploit.
>>703315844
This, greed is human nature, a system that incorporates human nature is a system that works
merchantilism=>capitalism=>libertarian capitalism
>>703315655
>Also the government is required to act as defence from external threaghts, even if it hires PMCs
Citation needed.
>And secondly armed citicents have to take it seriously, laws still aply to them, maybe no in the same way as the police, but they can't go trigger happy, the same even more so to private security (due to the need for a positive public apearance).
Do you know what happened to social deviants/misfits/anti-social retards? They got ostracised!
A scumbag broke multiple contracts? Guess who can't buy and sell now? No-one will deal with someone that risky.
>>703315864
That's what I was thinking. It would be a great way to implement the system brought up by >>703314460
>>703315889
If, as the state, the slits-for-eyes can find a loophole, then that's my fuck-up...
voluntary association of equals
inb4 how do you pay for roads and schools?
poverty and government are separate issues
the poor will always need assistance so long as they are poor
that doesn't depend on the method of government
school districts, fire districts and utility cooperatives can raise money and operate without central governments or coercion
>>703316149
Are you not interested in arguing what the best policies would be? I was giving an example as to specific cases in which your proposition wouldn't work.
>>703311276
which country?
how's it turning out there?
>>703316047
>citation needed
fuck anon, i don't know WWII, japs declare war, attack Pearl Harbor, what do?
>(...) got ostracised
of course they did, they didn't comply with social norms, they dont need to if they dont want to, but they have to pay the price of being rejected. Its what SHOULD happen
>breaks contracts no one deals whith him
no problem whith that
>>703311276
Did your parents disown you after or before you became a member of the communist party?
>>703314485
Sorry, was busy arguing in another thread
>And how do you plan on fixing problem of the inevitable elite few that would constantly be elected under a Utilitarian Technocratic society with a libertarian twist?
You DON'T get elected. You would appointed. And policies would pretty much be set in stone at the time of creation. Day-to-day handling is all the government really does, and would have to adjust things as new technology or situations arise.
>Elite Few
You can only be considered "elite" by being tested in. If your answers show that you do not fit, then you don't get in.
So:
>>Who decides if the answers work?
People who have already passed the test OR, better yet, a machine. Because people really can't be trusted
-For the most part, your job as "President" or whatever is to handle indeterminable problems that have passed all the way up the line to you.
IDEALLY, it'd be run by a machine or someone who thinks like a machine. Maybe a cyborg or something who has lost touch with human nature.
I would actually fit a position like that, because I have no interest in controlling PEOPLE, only events and the laws of nature themselves. In other words, Science trumps individuals or even organizations. And I legitimately don't care if they like it or not.
On the other hand, I didn't say it's really practical. I just said it'd be nice.
So, unless I somehow start a government like that, don't think much about it.
>>703311276
Yes, communism works.
Just let me kill 25% of the poulation so that only uneducated retards are left and I can easily control you Goyi... I mean comrades .
>>703316265
As libertarian i think roads, fire department and police should be public (but private alternatives should be allowed to those who can afford), but education, healthcare and social security should be privileges.
>>703316379
We wouldn't have a Pearl Harbor without a military.
Besides, look at the Middle East... How well is the army vs militia working out for the military invasion?.
>>703316496
I think it's reasonable to pay for infrastructure collectively, but I'm still opposed to allowing the existence of a state that can enforce the will of the majority on individuals.
The history of the 20th century should have taught us all the danger of the state. As individuals we're all powerless if the force of the state is turned against us.
>>703316496
Not the guy you were talking to but
I believe most of that, just that Education is one of the most important things a society can invest in, so there does need to be some funding for that. There should, however, be BASIC healthcare available, but those who can afford better get better treatment and/or coverages.
Social Security shouldn't be a thing at all, though. It should be replaced with personal IRAs and 401ks and the like.
>>703316270
My point was that IF you have the state, you have control over the borders.
Do you have any ideas on pre-empting the loopholes?
>>703310280
>any that didn't collapse within 200 years
So most
Monarchy. But anti-hungarian. Fckn Bozgor!!!
>>703316599
Well even if so, having an army as powerfull as the US's acts as a deterrent
Also in iraq, that resistance can happen because we are the good guys, we wouldn't massacre civies to kill a couple rebels, but imagine something like wolverines or homefront, do you think they are going to be half as good whith us?
>>703316419
>People who have already passed the test OR, better yet, a machine. Because people really can't be trusted
>-For the most part, your job as "President" or whatever is to handle indeterminable problems that have passed all the way up the line to you.
>IDEALLY, it'd be run by a machine or someone who thinks like a machine. Maybe a cyborg or something who has lost touch with human nature.
>I would actually fit a position like that, because I have no interest in controlling PEOPLE, only events and the laws of nature themselves. In other words, Science trumps individuals or even organizations. And I legitimately don't care if they like it or not.
I like your answer.
>>703316846
>My point was that IF you have the state, you have control over the borders.
>Do you have any ideas on pre-empting the loopholes?
Rectifying loopholes would be circumstantial on the current economy, like with any policy.
>>703313652
>we
TOPKEK
>>703317174
>I like your answer.
I'm... actually surprised. I thought you'd call me an edgelord sperg or something.
Thanks, though. I'm glad some people understand :-)
>>703316763
I disagree with the idea of public heald care and handouts, 1.7 trillions goes to them a year and they are only sinking our economy, but i agree, education probably sould be public, toallow wveryone an even start. This said many reforms should happen
1public education shouldnt be comfortable for the parents, make private ones more appealing
2public education should only be available to those who cant afford better, not to those who want to save up
3every student should be given the standericed cost of one schoolyear at the beginning, so that he can choose the shool to which to go, therefore making competition in between school, and incorporatin pseudo free market
Absolute Monarchy
>>703317035
> Also in iraq, that resistance can happen because we are the good guys,
As an Iraq war Veteran, I disagree. I've seen, and participated in the Wet-works ops.
>>703311022
That is exactly why communism cannot be implemented, you are living in a fairy tale land if you think that communism can be implemented without it backfiring and someone taking control.
>>703317529
In your opinion then, what military defence should we have?
>>703310280
A version of communism administered by software.
Otherwise it's just as shit as a republic.
>>703317362
Registered member of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation.
Yes, we. And we will again if we have to.
>>703312866
you do realize that everything jugoslavija has ever done was on the backs of previous capitalists that lived there and borrowed money which backfired horribly.(I am ex-yu as well)
>>703317743
Nice coverup. We all know it failed once President Msjovokivickivich signed the racial cleansing act 20 years ago.
>>703317544
And god knows systems and methods for dealing with those attempts can't ever be put in place, right?
No improvements can be made to the original failed version. Just like republics, we never ever have to make revisions to republics, right? Not every single fucking day of the year. Ours today is in any way resembling what it started out like.
No matter, the communism murrica & Europe depends on to produce it's goods is coming.
>>703310560
You got your numbers wrong m8.
It was always the result of a power struggle between communists and capitalists. Go figure who was responsible for the kills.
Plus how many were killed by capitalists (look at the mortality numbers in CIS and Russia when the capitalists implemented their doctrines)?
>>703317743
...whose money was "made" off the breaking backs of the people underneath them actually doing the work.
>>703317481
>I disagree with the idea of public healthcare and handouts
Well, I think it'd be kinda necessary to have like partially-subsidized hospitals and clinics and such, to keep things up to par. You can't have rampant diseases spreading everywhere and people breaking limbs and not being able to get them fixed.
On the other hand, handouts is a completely different matter. And so is the way the /US/ does healthcare.
Welfare should never be something people can live off of forever. I can understand anything from 0 to a LITTLE available for that. But, you CANNOT extend it by having kids. You MUST work. And it'd be something you can ONLY get if you legitimately NEED it. It also would NOT pay for like TV and shit.
And the 1.7 T the US spends is not on REAL healthcare. I'm talking emergency room visits and stuff, PARTIALLY-subsidized.
They can still charge for stuff, though. It'd basically be to keep enough doctors and nurses in at any given time, and provide some of the supplies.
>1public education shouldnt be comfortable for the parents, make private ones more appealing
I don't necessarily believe it should be uncomfortable (it already is. My parents work in them, so I know). However, if you DON'T send your kid there, you should be heavily discounted. Why would you pay if you DON'T use it?
>2public education should only be available to those who cant afford better, not to those who want to save up
If the above is implemented, then this pretty much needn't be done, because it is a de facto case
It basically becomes a choice of "Who do we give our money to?" I'm not against a government that can compete, /IF/ it does so efficiently. As long as it's for the general direction of the future, it doesn't matter who OWNS the organization. As long as the users benefit, and the organization doesn't cause unnecessary hardships for anyone.
(cont)
>>703310280
>>703310560
>>703310702
>>703311022
>>703311276
>>703312080
>>703311921
>>703314655
ANY OF YOU FAGGOTS EVER READ
"1984"
Go read that and then keep saying communism is the best fucking thing ever.
>>703317715
>I like to get fucked in the ass
Kek.
So you're a dumb poor russian snownigger.
How does durka and kike dick taste like, vitali?
How much money does Putin send to Dagestan?
Does your sister already have aids?
Do you have illegal Putin memes on your HD you fat pidar?
:^)
>>703318201
>implying republics didn't sacrifice civil liberties to our own authoritarianism even worse
It's funny how easy it is to see problems when they're someone else's.
>>703317715
>human wave attacks
wow, you sure showed 'em!
>>703310280
Viking feudalism
>>703318194
>3every student should be given the standardized cost of one school year at the beginning, so that he can choose the school to which to go, therefore making competition in between school, and incorporating pseudo free market
Hmmm... IDK what you're implying, exactly. Are you saying "Give every student some money"?
I wouldn't necessarily say that's the best way, but I do understand where you're coming from.
I'd be more inclined to only give that if they absolutely NEED it.
Otherwise, it's just a matter of where your money is expended.
>You pay this every year in tax
>If you don't use it for a public school, you get like 80-90% or something of it back to help fund your private schooling instead. (only some is kept to fund those who REALLY need it)
>>703318201
I did
Orwell was describing and denouncing the fascist system, but not the communist system in his basis. He was a socialist.
>>703318201
ANY OF YOU FAGGOTS EVER READ
"ATLAS SHRUGGED"
Go read that and then keep saying capitalism is the best fucking thing ever.
>>703317481
Also, the US Postal Service sucks shit...
Why does that still exist?
It should have been replaced by the clearly superior UPS and FedEx
Also, EMS, but that's mostly my imports.
>>703318287
lol at your pic. What is "35-65" supposed to mean? And russia well below the other countries.
Clearly fake propaganda.
Are you aware that Russia is no longer under communist rule but rather under some sort of crony capitalism very similar to the US?
>>703318444
Capitalism is the best thing ever.
>>703314451
We can replace the US military by arming a gaggle of farmers with peashooters
lol found the 13yo
>>703318586
US postal sucks by choice of the US not to invest in governmental services to the population.
In most european countries the postal service works without a flaw.
>>703310280
Only real way to make functional country
>>703318415
"Democrating socialism"
The book was written in 1948, after the Nazis lost, now the real threat was communism, and he wrote the book to show a world under communism. Plus, if you pay attention to the world he created, it is far from a dictatorship.
>>703318715
>US postal sucks by choice of the US not to invest in governmental services to the population.
>US postal sucks
So... why has it not been fully replaced yet by its clearly better private counterparts, UPS and FedEx?
>>703310280
Troll, communism is an economic system.
>>703318809
"Democratic"
>>703318606
Nothing changed.
All high ranking members of united russia are communist hardliners and Pootie is a ''ex'' KGB you stupid jew.
>propaganda
Look it up yourself if you don't believe me.
Russia is literally white africa thanks to communism.
>>703318809
Except that what he showed was the trouble with authoritarianism, not the trouble with communism.
Authoritarianism, which first our right wing embraced and now our left. Communism w/o authoritarianism are possible. Democracies w/o authoritarianism are possible. However, both can turn authoritarian with the passions if the people. This is why republics prefer republics. Republics w/o authoritarianism are impossible, but at least you know what you're getting.
>>703319010
Kids. Living in a world of imagined importance and power, and playing dress-up.
>>703310280
The idea of communism is good but you have to realize that it's a pure fantasy not reality. The system won't ever work as it was originally intended so every communist state ends up as a fucked up pile of shit.
Democracy + capitalism = plutocracy = USA so that is no good either.
Feudalism is a "good idea" until you realize the corruption is so problematic in that system that it would stall all progress.
So as you see, every system has problems but communism is a no no.
>>703318819
Is not an economic model unless you're still living in the 1930s.
>>703319597
Except it's kicking your ass in the production of goods and milking you of your money.
Give me a penny for every time you hear a western producer of goods or government say the phrase "we can't compete with China", and I'll be the richest richfag in richfagistan.
>>703319427
No. They just choose NatSoc over commiecrap any day.
Because Stalin treated them like shit and killed between 7 and 10 million of them for fun.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor
Nazi>Commie in every way.
Stay delusional Slava :^)
>>703317618
Only a Militia and defensive Corporate Mercenaries.
We have no business invading places to plunder resources, be it a statist or non-statist society.
What I learned in the Core is chilling: "Weber defines the State as a monopoly to use agressive violence legitimately." As their Enforcers we were the ones with the guns and the state's consent to kill whomever resisted...
No-one should have that power...
>>703320082
>defensive Corporate Mercenaries
where I mean security firms who need to keep a good PR.
Just to clarify.
>>703319847
China is communist only by name these days. Go back to school.
>>703319597
Why do you think it should have to work as originally intended? Try to find a government anywhere on earth that works as originally intended. There isn't one. Times change, and governments change with them or collapse. If we insisted a republic work as originally intended it too would not exist in any form at all, and be a footnote in the history of all the nation's it built and destroyed in a pile of rubble and ruined lives.
The only thing that's allowed republic to survive us our willingness to modify and fix and update parts of it when it breaks, which is constantly. The same us holding true for communism in China, and that's not even some idealized form of communism, it's barely better than the Soviet model.
>>703320219
lol
>No true Scotsman
Back to school yourself...
>>703320219
You go back to school.
Marxist-Leninist Nations
China
Laos
Cuba
Vietnam
North Korea (internally called Juche)
Nepal (governmentally wise, not in constitution - yet)
>>703310280
communism will always be pleb tier.
>>703310560
Who says people can't hold beliefs about different kinds of communism? Are you saying that nobody can dissent from Stalinism?
>hundreds of millions
http://youtube.com/watch?v=kOnIp69r6vg
Someone please rotate the sickle and hammer logo so it looks like the M and replace the white McDonalds with Communism, Marxism or Maoism. Either something related with an M or just keep it Communism, I'd just love to see the Sickle and Hammer in this way.
>>703320391
But he's right.
China is a capitalist dictatorship.
Have you even read Das Kapital or the Red Book?
>>703320391
Probably educated with 30 year old textbooks.
They're pretty funny to read. The nightmarish government they describe communism leading to, where the civil liberties have been gutted, and a few ruling elite class have all the money and everyone else is an indentured servant to them, is exactly what the US has proudly become.
lol if the US does it, it's right and good, though.
>>703320493
Yes "officially" but study how increasingly capitalistic china has become in reacent decades and take a look how the party members are positioning themselves for the change that is happening. In the old days china was really a working communist state and during the regime of Mao Zedong (or how in the fuck is it written in your language) there was no inflation and communist ideas seemed to work for real. In order to compete with foreign market china has repeatedly indeoduced pro western capitalist reforms and will continue to do that in the future. So back to school for you lot.
>>703311862
The way to avoid dictatorship and despotism is not complicated.
Don't fucking let it happen. Don't cause the level of instability that allows dictators to take power. Don't let anyone violate the principles of a secular, civilized state.
>>703320668
the thing is, we understand what ideal communism is and still see it fail to deliver. It's a bland life that people will get sick of after some time.
>>703320685
>Doesn't know what dictatorship means
>capitalist
>implying communism isnt also capitalist
>>703312339
>SJWs are communist
wat
>>703312883
>indoctrination
You mean like what happens in capitalism?
>>703320922
but but but
if they use money, it's not true communism
if there is trade at all, it's not true communism
no true communism has ever existed
o fuck communism argument inception
>>703320922
Wow, you're so fucking stupid.
Honestly read a book once in your life, anon.
>>703320964
cultural marxism.
Make a culture so critical of itself it becomes insecure and destroys itself from the inside. They teach it in college so that when the old generation dies off and cant set the record straight, you end up with a bunch of indoctrinated butthurt faggots. The country turns on itself and while divided, the tyrannical government takes more control. They regulate business to gain more control. All those taxes and environmental regulations.
They hide the root of the problem with our society which is overpopulation in our large cities. They use it to market left wing ideals to the coming generations. They tell people that the decadence is okay and that the neocons need to chill, without saying where the problem is coming from.
READ:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_B._Calhoun#Mouse_experiments
>>703320906
Happens to everybody anon. Here in the great republic of murrica, whenever we get tired of sitting around, we launch into a big unwinnable war with someone to spice things up.
>>703315661
Not an argument.
>>703315855
Not an argument.
>>703316465
Pol Pot was an anti-communist who only took power because of the USA and Britain.
>>703321239
>dat paranoia
>is all a vast left wing conspiracy against me
Man causality is just a big fuckin mystery to you, eh?
>>703310280
social market economy with enough government regulation to run a clean and happy society.
>>703321209
pic related
>>703320964
They're useful idiots
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLqHv0xgOlc
>>703317955
Fucking this 1000x over.
Small goverment
>>703318201
Orwell was a democratic socialist. He fought for the leftist side in the Spanish Civil War.
>>703321294
>>703321361
Get a job, punk.
>>703321469
>RED Khmer
>anti.communist
Are you fucking high?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pol_Pot
>>703321717
>democratic socialist
So not a fucking communist then you imbecile.
>>703321471
I don't think you understand what paranoia is. I don't really care what happens. There's not much I can do by myself to change the situation if I am correct about things. Btw I'm a different anon
I'm not this guy:
>>703312339
>>703313015
This, right here.
>>703321922
>>703313015
These, right here....
This is why I like the USA. At least you kind of can get ahead and enjoy life if you really want to.
>>703321844
Not yet.
>>703319952
The famine of the early 30s killed about 5 million IIRC, not 10. The Holodomor was a small part of that and killed even less. Still horrific though.
Also, that image is from the Bengal Famine in British India. Caused by capitalism.
>>703310280
complete automomy
>>703310326
/thread
>>703320906
That can be altered.
>>703321777
>Get a job, punk
Not an argument.
Pol Pot enacted policies that had little to no resemblance to communism, and took power only because of the US.
>>703321844
I'm not a communist.
>>703318415
INGSOC=English Socialism
>>703322322
>Not an argument.
Yes, it is. Communism claims to be a wokers party.
>never had a job
>workers party
(You) are retarded.
>>703322396
>implying GMOs are bad
>implying all vaccinations are bad
>implying all pharmaceuticals are bad and "natural" remedies are best
I hope to god he didn't really say this.
>>703318415
top kekkekekkekekkekek
it's like they're asleep
>>703310788
Dictatorships can be awesome if done right. Though that will probably never happen.
>>703322643
it already has
>>703322535
All communists are retarded. It's designed to appeal to the lazy and ignorant, and has a hundred years of failure to examine.
>>703322561
didn't imply any of those
>>703322535
I have a job you dumb fuck.
>>703313399
> she's amazing
No she isn't, just another coalburner
>>703322396
>poison our population
>coming from the same people who screwed up Chernobyl
>russia also has the most heroin addicts and alcoholics on the planet
KEK
>>703322805
>lying on the internet
>>703322322
prove it nigger.
communism is good on paper only. it's fucking damn near impossible to implement because of the human condition.
also, fuck antifa.
>>703323175
>fuck antifa.
This so much.
>>703310280
The one that allows me to have a iPhone, to eat McDonald's and to access 4Chan. What is it name again?
>>703311579
irrelevant countries don't count
>>703322894
>coming from the same people who screwed up Chernobyl
Like there haven't been incredible preventable disasters in the US?
>Russia also has the most heroin addicts and alcoholics on the planet
So the people have more personal liberty?
>>703323555
>iPhone
Bourgeois fagot
>>703323555
Trips says the truth.
Anarchism
Fuck other people trying to tell me what to do
>>703310280
3edgy5me
>703323665
>faggot
>>703323738
Just like marx.
>>703323909
>Anarchism
Yea, works great in Somalia.
>>703324087
But not Lenin. Never Lenin.
immagine
>>703324657
or immagine this
>>703311632
#resist capitalism, died hair with product, bought phone, bought piercing, bought clothes, lives in house that is probably mortgaged uses social media
>>703324707
get rid of the shovel and pick and put a winny blue and a vb crossed like that and you sir have your self a flag
>>703324657
>>703324707
Fuck off nigger.
>>703310280
This was the best government but the greedy joos put a stop to it.
>>703325895
heey, that's a pretty good picture
every other political system
>>703310280
>>703310280
if its so good how come just about all of them collapsed
>>703310280
Everything else
>history memes and the fact no one uses a monarchial system anymore
>>703322643
Ancient Athens peaked under Perikles (dictator).
>>703323909
4chan is 18+ kiddo
>ITT: Immigrants from /pol/
>>703328240
Indeed it is. Kiddo?
>>703310280
If you're so fond of communism why you haven't moved to North Korea or Cuba yet?
>>703328382
Nigger
anarchy
because there is none
ez
>>703322561
>>implying GMOs are bad
He implied at least that. Growing and selling GMO products is illegal in Russia. That's actually funny coz in Russia only 10% of land are arable. Instead of using GMO in agriculture to step up production they banned it. That's retarded.