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I have been living here for a year now and I only have onew thing to say: Germany sucks.
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>>703240293
It didn't in the 30s/40s
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>>703241041
I am talking about the lack of free speech and the fact that the majority of the population are assholes.
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>>703241254

I agree, but are you by any chance polish?
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>>703241671
I am 1/2 Polish
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>>703241759
do you even speak german?
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What part of Deutschald you at?
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>>703242500
I do.
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>>703242662
whats your job?
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>>703241759
At least Germany isn't a dirty Slav shithole like Poland.
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>>703242662
>>703240293
Native German here. I can confirm it. Living here is absolute shite. I regret coming back to this country. Stay away from the idea of living here. There are better countries which are more welcoming and have better women. Ireland, Spain and what ever.
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>>703242642
Hamburg
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>>703242927
did you see the youth unemployment rate of spain have fun there
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>>703242990
hamburg is nice tho
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damn anon...same feeling here
I have like 8 months and already going nuts
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>>703241254
welcome to Europe, mate
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>>703240293
Germany is literally the best. I think OP is just butthurt about the whole invasion thing.
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The Nazis were to strong and powerful and so the globalists killed them. What is left are the very cucked, weak and soft Delta-People the SS was trying to breed out.
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>>703241254
just out of curiosity, what lack of free speech?
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>>703243266
facebook and google are working with the german goverment to help report cases of "hate speech,,
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>>703243044
Yes like many countries. Germany has 20% unemployment as well. And the only reason this country has a good economy is that it exploits people. I's build on blood and bones. As for unemployment, this country just knows how to hide their numbers. One third of our jobless are being put into programs which 'fixes' the appearance for the every day pleb.
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>>703243266
http://www.thelocal.de/20160713/german-police-launch-first-nationwide-hate-speech-raids
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>>703242927
>>703243044

I am Spanish and I can genuinely tell you that only tourists enjoy Spain. The average Spaniard is angry at this fucking country 24/7
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>>703241254
You must be in the south they are all SJWs.
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>>703243044
Depends on what you have studied, I have friends who got well paid jobs just after finishing uni, depends on what you have studied. Spanish girls are hot but most of them have huge ego
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>>703241759
half polish , half german. reporting in.. i was born in poland. moved to Germany whem I was 13.. today i am 35.

Agree.. germans are cold hearted and some are assholes.. I think I work with such an asshole. He thinks he is the best.. I found out that he was born in poland too, but it is his secret..
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Personally, I like Austria over Germany.
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>>703243471
no it`s 4.2 percent in germany of jule this year.
and 20 in spain also of jule this year.
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>>703240293
>Germany sucks.
Elaborate please
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>>703243840
Well, it's not very good, you see.
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>>703243471
>And the only reason this country has a good economy is that it exploits people
>exploits
yes idiot that is how it works worldwide since the dawn of time
>>>exploits
lmfao
anon doesn't know how to economy or how to capitalism
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>>703242927
Germanfag living in Ireland here.
I can confirm the man has a point. Moving to Ireland was the best decision ever. Best feckin~ country on the plant. Most beautiful ladies too.
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>>703243424
>>703243524
well, if you consider insults, death threats and glorification of nazis free speech, you're right
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>>703243730
austrians are so fucking chill, i love them
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>>703243471
in spain You pay for an internship tell me more about the bad economy if this is bad economy for you the i don`t know
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>>703244135
HAHAHAH
yeah it's free speech
"you're really fucking dumb"
>>>some free speech for you
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>>703244135
You, sir, are cancer.
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>>703244135
we have a man saying some refugees act like animals facing criminal charges
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>>703244434
They are tho
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>>703244552
yes but why is he facing charges tho
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>>703244295
>can't have an argument without getting personal
yeah, i'm really dumb

>>703244395
that's more than you deserve
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>>703244552
Refugees? Not all but a larger majority of them are.
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>>703244230
wow, things seem to have changed big time. Made the equivalent of about 1,300 Euro/month back in the year 2000 in an internship for a German company in Madrid.
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>>703244768
at the hight of the nsdap 15% of germans where nazis do you think america or england thought not all , not all germans .we can`t bomb these guys
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>>703244900
Today you would be paid nothing. Unpaid internships are the standard now
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>>703243739
Bullshit
The statistics are fixed by putting massive amounts of poeple into useless "advanced traning" which removes them temporarily from those statistics - of course shoveling millions of Taxpayer € into the pockets of """"educational"""" providers in the processs
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>>703244617
>Some of these refugees are ungrateful and unwilling to follow the rules
sober statement, disputatious but sober
>refugees act like animals
generalization and insult
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>>703243471
You're a fool if you believe German economy isn't superior to the rest of the EU atm
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>>703244617
Refugees have become a protected class. Their sentencings are much less punitive than those of natives by the judicial system, if they get tried or charged at all.
The elite has brought those people to displace the native population, why else would they get such preferential treatment by all things government-related?

What it boils down to is: We must find a way to resurrect Adolf Hitler
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>>703244230
No different from germany actually. good luck getting a paid internship here.
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>>703244974
that's quite a stretch
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>>703245268
>not working in MINT
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>>703244974
only 2% of whites were slave owners but we are all guilty, dont you get how this works?
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>>703245078
this is today the spanish economy is shit youth unemployment in spain in 2013 was 42.4%
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>>703245171

Not him but

>free speech
>except when certain people decide they don't like it

Not really a freedom of speech and expression if you aren't allowed to say things people don't like.
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>>703245190
"Economy" means shit if all wealth is collected by 1% of the population; just look at the US, which is nominally the best, but still Third-World tier in most areas nonetheless
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>>703245125
>703245125
so you think spain isn`t doing this.Why?
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>>703245171
So what? Insults may not be nice, but they are sure as fuck not a crime.
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>>703245397
there is a difference between saying things people don't like and blatantly insulting and threatening them
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Merkel is a stupid-cunt-bitch.
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>>703245538
yes, they are
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>>703245171
and you want to charge someone for insult ing someone on his personal facebook account?
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>>703245371

Weird, cause the narrative is all white people are the devil and slave owners even though the majority of slave owners were african and arab.
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>>703245541
Why are you putting threats and insults are in the same category?
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>>703245494
Because they don't have the experience and effieciency in effectively manipulating statistics; also our social welfare programs weren't built with the thought in mind that some wannabe-dictator abuses them to embellish the situation
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>>703244135

>insults

yes

>death threats

no

>glorification of nazis

yes
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>>703245268
getting an internship for free or paying for one not realy that diffrent right?
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>>703245666
>even though the majority of slave owners racist?
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>>703245541

Threats have to have some reasonable likelihood of being carried out to be a crime in normal places that respect free speech.

How does one decide what is insulting? That is completely subjective. Why would an insult not be protected speech? Simply saying that the majority of muslims support violent, lunatic punishments for simple sleights is reality but can be considered hate speech in euro town.

Pretty odd when completely accurate and true statements can be censored, sounds like a failure to uphold the basis of free speech. What is the point in having it if you can't even state truth or disagree with things?
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>>703245874

The flying fuck is this reply supposed to mean?
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>>703245947
Keep speaking truth, brother.
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>>703245660
since insults are in fact punishable, yes, why not?
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>>703245834
Nope, since you need to carry your (exponentially rising) living costs, there really is no difference
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>>703244130
I always liked the idea of moving to an english speaking country! Was it hard to get used to the language and talk in english on a regular basis?
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>>703245947
OP here. THANK YOU
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>>703246100

That didn't answer his fundamental question. That is like saying it is wrong cause it is illegal, it is illegal cause it is wrong, ie circular logic.
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>>703245740
you're right, they are two different things. replace "and" with "or" in the previous posting
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>>703246100
you are a faggot punish me
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Free healthcare, free studying for almost everybody, strong growing economy, great science and education and free money for literally anybody, cleanest water compared to anywhere in the world, cheap food, free housing for poor and cheap connections to anywhere in the world, good working democracy, free press GERMANY IS A FUCKING PARADISE
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>>703246111
but you don`t pay for tha actual internship, in spain you do
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>>703246340
Free but crappy!
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>>703246252
as the German saying says "Anzeige ist raus"
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>>703245786
well, different cultural backgrounds may lead to different perceptions of what is acceptable and what isn't. by german law insults are punishable, and in my opinion if you can't articulate yourself without insulting somebody, you deserve to be punished for being stupid
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With all this, and American memes aside, please don't forget that the majority of the German population is pissed of and not willing to go with it, as even government -controlled news sources are nowadays willing to say, she is governing against her own people
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>>703246340

Cleanest water? Do you know iceland exists? There are plenty of places with clean, natural springs as well where they don't even filter the water.

This sounds as stupid as when my fellow americans claim we are the greatest country in the world then can't explain how exactly.
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In Germany, you are allowed to say "I assume you might be an asshole" right into an officer's face and he can't do shit, just because it's an assumption. Tell him "you are an asshole" and you are fucked. Our rules are weird..
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>>703246340
>good working democracy

hahahaha

>free press

HAHAHAHA

Du hast offensichtlich nie in Deutschland gelebt, du Spinner. Sind bald wieder Weimarer Verhältnisse hier, und 99% der öffentlich zugänglichen Medien Spinnen das Garn der Regierung.
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>>703246507
Society should punish stupidity, not the law.
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>>703246413
the health care yes but the education is pretty good to be honest you even get support from the state while studying which is like a credit from the state where you get around 600 euros per month and you only have to pay 50% back with 0 intrest
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>>703246375
True, it's no THAT bad yet..but i'm sure our politicians and companys will come up with something in time.
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>>703246544
well then just go to fucking iceland, lets see how much you will get there for free without doing anything
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>>703246697

Hey there strawman, how are you? I merely pointed out your retarded statement, then you go full retard cause you know you are fucking stupid.

Try harder europoor, love USA
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>>703246623
Dieses.

>>703246340
Wtf dude, our press is 80% controlled by the government, and our Block parties are trying to exclude a rising right-wing party from all democratic institutions right now in a dictatorial manner
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>>703246623
ach was ein dummes geheule, du hast offensichtlich noch nie im ausland gelebt, glaub mir, 99% der menschen würden gerne hier leben und von allem profitieren. mann denk mal für ne minute nach und nenn mir irgendein land das nicht gleichzeitig unbedeutend ist und ne besser funktionierende demokratie hat
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Also this:
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>>703246804
yes, and you can see perfectly how succesfull they are with excluding the right wing party, not at all, a great sign for a working democracy. and the press, can you not get all the information you want anywhere online? i dont see the problem with the press, there is excellent journalism in germany, i wonder if ppl like you ever experience more than just spiegel online
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>>703246920
And this
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>>703246507
Thank you for pointing out how soft and wussy Germans actually are. At a festival a few weeks ago I said "Hitler did nothing wrong" to a group of German guys, just to show of how fucking great having free speech in a country actually is. They weren't even mad, just cucked by German guilt.
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>>703242845
stay mad hans
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>>703246784
usa, what was that again? shooting blacks, going to mcdonalds and getting trump as president :D beautiful
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>>703246641
Absolutely. Society and life in general.
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>>703247315
im german but trump over clinton any day
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>>703245947
if you can't present credible data to support such a claim, you might consider making it.
if you use words like vermin to refer to a whole group of people because there are some assholes among them, that's an insult (just like asshole) and a generalization.
the thing with that kind of speech is, that it has a snowball effect. it seems like it becomes more and more normal to people to generalize and insult people, without making any valuable contribution to the discussion and ultimately to a solution.
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>>703247401
Schweizer here, 100% agree.
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>>703246232
it did, since he asked "why is he facing charges?"
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>>703247455
I can smell the German guilt right here m8s!
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>>703246252
>calls me a faggot
>wants me to satisfy his sexual fantasies
ok...
but seriously, i'm not the judiciary and i don't care about your insults
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>>703247401
Just use your freedom and shoot yourself, so youll be as good as all the hundreds of thousands of korean, vietnamese, iraqi, afghani, japanese and what the fuck else you killed (aside of the uncountable americans that died without any sense and the veterans that kill themselfs everyday because your great country doenst give a flying fuck) to thrive on your military industry and short term excitements. murica! fuck yeah!
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>>703247315

I see you fags are getting a taste of your own blacks, enjoying the rape squads? Take a few million more in to ruin your once great country. I noticed you made sure to ignore your strawman, good to see you are all so great at making arguments in arabia 2.

>>703247574

No, he asked if you want to charge him for it, instead of addressing that fundamental thought experiment on your part, you offloaded the burden onto "it's illegal, therefore wrong" instead of actually presenting an argument for it.
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Germany was at it's best in 1939
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>>703247455
And who decides what a "valuable contribution" is. In countries with free speech it is the open marketplace of ideas. In Germany it is the gouvernament
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Incase anyone is wondering why germany is such a shithole compared to many other european nations.

ARBEIT!!!
Many are assholes at work. They rat out everyone, even the colleagues they 'like' the most. (they dont quickly call colleagues friends because friendship has no place on the workfloor)

75% of the german workers think they are the best worker of the company and all other people are stupid. This ranges from workers who actually do shit to fat fucks who sit on their asses everyday.

They boast and lie about themselfs and their life. Sometimes the shit they do reaches teenager level. (guy bringing a stungun to work and cant stop showing it off, guys acting like what they are lifting is exremely heavy even though i can see its aluminium, etc)

Also germans arent fun at work even when you go along quite well. Im dutch and i would much rather work with polish people than germans.

And yes, germans arent funny. Its true.
The epitome of german humor is random weird shit and funny voices.
Some of them are also very loud. You could call it shouting, but its how they speak.

Outside of work they are still very strict. Dont burn wood in your garden or else i call the police, dont go through red lights even if its 1pm and theres no one and your on a cycling lane, dont laugh to loud in public, when you accidentally bump into someone expect angry looks instead of a quick, oops sorry!

Anyway i could go on but i type slow as shit.
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>>703246641
punishment is executed by society through law
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>>703247455

So? Argue against it. Assuming it was a stupid argument, it wouldn't "snowball" and if you believe in democracy at a fundamental level, you believe in majority rule. If the majority decides they dislike something, they will get rid of it, right? Why are you people so fucking weak? It is pathetic, your forefathers roll in their grave and it is truly sad, almost ashamed part of my family came from there at some point, fortunately they got out before it turned into pussytown.
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>>703247769
Oh dont worry about us, it needs some time, but the country is certainly a lot stronger than any kind of cancerous sandniggers that are coming over, and if you dont believe it, well porr you. Germany will prevale, no question about it.
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>>703247998

Once the rest of the euro countries leave the EU, which is slowly coming, you will collapse cause you bolster your economy on the backs of the shittier countries, but they are catching on.
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>>703247207
you're welcome
also, if belittling others is a source of joy for you and makes you feel better about yourself, you're a wuss in my book as well.
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>>703247881
The government school propaganda is strong with this one.
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>>703247750
no one should care about any insults
insults onlyeffect you as much as you let them affect you maybe if you get insults multyple time at diffrent occasions you should be abble to do something about it but you can already get something like that for haressment
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>>703247794
> Guy shows off stin gun at work
WOW WHAT AN ASSHOLE
As far as the rest goes: if you don't have the balls to assert yourself and/or manage to alienate everyone in your workplace (probably by being an insincere ,superficial, somewhat creepy american), that's your own fault
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>>703248151

The irony is your statements would be considered insults and therefore by your logic should be punished. Congrats, you are a hypocrite.
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>>703248144
It is not slowly coming, the British just found out that they fucked up big time, and who did the new british pm go to first to get her country out of the shit? Angela Merkel welcomed her two days after her being in office. and there are more and more countries wanting to join the euro.
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>>703248144
I bet France will be next. Le Pen is winning on polls and wants to take France out of EU
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>>703247693
whatever, none of my ancestors were in germany during ww2. if you think a genocide is something acceptable, keep keeping on, bro.
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>>703248293

You forgot the funny voice, Mannfred
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OP here. I am considering to GTFO to study. Any recommendations for places that are not filled with self-hatered and censorship?
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>>703248397

That's quite the dream you have, but the UK will be fine, prepare for us to jump in and get free trade deals up and running with the UK, we won't let them fall. Then the rest can come join the US on the road to EU destruction. You are a failure run by a bunch of weak germans with a horrible guilt complex in a game for cheap labor and cultural destruction.
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>>703248588
How about Germany you stupid cunt? Shit is for free and you can do whatever the fuck you want as long as you dont bother anybody.
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>>703243714
Kurw nje pierdol
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>>703248483

Genocide has happened 100s of times in the past, no one else has such pathetic guilt about it.
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>>703247769
he asked if i want to and i said yes. what's not to understand?
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>>703248588
if oyu want to stay in Germany, try HU Berlin or Universität Heidelberg; otherwise I can only recommend something outside of the western world
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>>703248865

You didn't, you just said it was the law. This basically is how you sidestepped and absolved yourself of thought on the matter. Rather than address the underlying "why is this illegal, should it be?" you hid behind a law. Much like morons with drug laws that hide behind the law with no real argument against decriminalization.
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>>703248483
At no point have I said that. My opinion is that we should let idiots talk shit in order to identify them as idiots, and when they resort to insults, like
>>703248151 , then that means he has no arguments left. Just like you implying I have this terrible opinion.
Aren't we mature enough to deal with the shit people say?
Sunlight is the best disinfectant.
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>>703248588
Also:
> American Universities
> not being censored
>"""Rape""""culture"""
>BLM
>Muh Safe Space

Do I need to say anything more?
It's bad enough that all this shit is starting to spill over here after filling up the american Toilet Bowl...
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>>703248763
I would rather live in a country where you have the right to bother people with your speech without having your shit seized and being fined.
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>>703248703
I dont know if you even have a sense of reality bro? The British didnt even officially declare that they are leaving the EU, the whole country is rioting and Cameron just as the Farrage and the all the other "leave the eu" idiots just ran away because they cannot even deal with the shit that they have caused. And im sure a country running on chinese money, fast food and weapon industry (murica) and a country without any industry at all (uk) dont have anything to trade with each other anyways. i mean even the fucking scotsman want to stay with the eu, and ireland as well. get real and understand, that there is no alternative to the eu and it will be growing until the whole continent is united
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>>703247792
morals and values. suggesting violence and denial of assistance to those in need cannot be a valuable contribution in a society that claims to be a civilized and open minded one.
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>>703247976
because the part of the people that screams the loudest isn't necessarily the majority.
sadly it does snowball and it doesn't stop with only saying stupid things.
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>>703243730
>>703244205
Austrofag reporting in, with a spliff in the hand.
What doyou like most here?
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>>703249151
Did it happen to you? I say my opinion every day and my family lives in many places in Germany, i have a solid friend basis and know even more people from outside, because i study international. Trust me, there is no more comfortable place to say whatever you want, whenever you want than Germany. i have never had the problem or heard from anybody reliably that what you are talking about ever happened
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>>703249301
then they will surely fail on the open marketplace of ideas, or are you suggesting that all germans are just inheritely heartless evil bastards and need to be protected from their nature?
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>>703249240

You seem quite confused, they have plenty of manufacturing. With the cheapening of their currency, they will become attractive to other investors due to the exchange. They will have a short hiccup then return to normal quickly after, you are just butthurt they found a way out from under germany, the user of the other countries in the group. UK is one of the major buyers of german cars, so all any VAT you put on your vehicles will do is hurt your sales and bolster their home manufacturers/ford/GM, etc. Also gives asian countries a chance to jump in with trade deals. You are a fool if you think it will just fall into the ocean. You buy the ridiculous rhetoric your country churns out, germany is still running strong on their propaganda machine, hitler would be so proud.
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>>703247976
also, i don't really care for your feelings about your ancestry. and let those assholes roll.
resorting to violence is weak in my opinion.
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So Germany is not worth a visit? Going to Europe next week and could just stay in France for a couple extra days instead.
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>>703249625

Then I guess that would require you to actually use your free speech to counter it, right? That is sort of the point, you are supposed to be involved in your own culture and politics, not sit back and ignore it by silencing everyone you disagree with.
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>>703248169
then share the truth with me.
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>>703248287
there's a lot of things people should or should not do. but people do. just saying "but you shouldn't care" doesn't work obviously.
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>>703249926

Violence is the end game to anything that can't be settled with words, that is just the reality. You are a fool if you think otherwise. Anytime there is contention for a resource, you either try to work it out, or you kill and take it, that is all of nature. The joke is you trying to pretend to be above it and downplay the usefulness of violence the millions of times it has happened in the past and will continue.
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>>703245235
Das Gefühl hab ich mittlerweile auch
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>>703248320
we're on /b/, wuss, sue me.
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>>703249948
OP Germany itself is a beautiful country and certainly worth a visit. living here sucks though.
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>>703250474

I actually support your right to say whatever the fuck you want you retard, that was the point. The irony again is you want that freedom when it benefits you, but not when other people you disagree with get it. Hilarious.
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>>703250354
That is really deterministic.
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>>703249657
It did not happen to me because my beliefs are not that radical. However theese things keep happening and frankly, I dont like where this is headed.
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>>703248809
because it's one of the most recent and cruel ones. and maybe a little guilt can help reflect on what the fuck went wrong and prevent the next one. i can go without another genocide.
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>>703250794
In the meantime, the EU is importing major conflict into its own countries.
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>>703249782
You know who buys German cars? Chinese, Germans dont even care about Europe as a market anymore, maybe for prestige, but certainly not for economical growth. Britains economy has been thriving on the advantages of the European community and they are trying to delay there brexit as much as possible, because obviously they are neither prepared, nor strong enough to ensure their well being and standards of living without the generous support of the european union. and since they will loose a huge of their financial industry (which could only flourish in britain again, because of european laws and regulations) they will loose billions and billions of investments, and america, which is just being called out as a faggot with their more than ridiculous ttip treaty will certainly never "help" any nation if it is not more than postive towards their favor/ to the "partner's" disadvantage. i mean it should be clear, that america is one of the least fair and trustworthy partner one can have nowadays
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>>703241254
It's part of Europe. It's a third world shit hole trying to sucks America's dick
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>>703250794

Hardly the most cruel but I am not sure how pretending it never happened, censoring history and speech about it and censoring everyone like fascists is a good lesson to be learned from it. There will be more genocides as populations inflate, resources become limited and space diminishes, you can pretend that isn't going to happen, but it will eventually. As populations inflate, eventually there is a fight and large kill off in the fight for resources, so is the way of all nature.
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>>703247881
Well said.
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>>703250766
"These things keep happening"
Sorry, I dont see it, please enlighten me.
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>>703250794

>is not the most recent
>is not the most cruel
>theres pretty much no one left alive that can have guilt
>implying we dont know what went wrong and it isnt here anymore
>preventing genocide
>obvious bait
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>>703250943

They also buy American cars, they consider Buick to be a special thing there for some reason or another. Gaining a new market while losing another major one doesn't produce a net gain and the brits can certainly sell their cars there as well. You seem to think the only way to exist is in the EU, you will be sorely disappointed when they prove otherwise.
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>>703249993
Society, law and government are not based in reality. Like a forrest doesn't exist, only trees. So there are only people. And some people have more power than other, they call themselves the government, which they "legitimise" using the law, which is actually just a piece of paper. It works because we all believe in it, which we do because of government schools.
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>>703251336

While I agree with the premise, I disagree with your conclusion. The reality is there isn't really a better system. You can scream anarchism or tribalism or anything else, but those don't go perfectly either. You either get dictatorship, some representative government or just a council of elders as tribes had. Anarchy doesn't work, look at Ethiopia or any other country in ruins that tries to rebuild, they never get anywhere. We naturally have to work together, that is how we evolved, to pretend otherwise goes against our very nature. We are useless alone.
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>>703251320
Pffff. of course, they buy American cars because they are cheap and have a kind of nostalgic "wow the americans really used to produce some interesting cars many many years ago" touch, which i must admit. aside of that the engineering of american cars is simply horrible and only suited for america itself. Britain will survive with a very close binding to the eu and after all, they will try to join again. And then again, europe is not a main market for cars. you can buy a car at every street corner, and there is literally almost no reason to buy a new car from a manufacturer anymore
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>>703251815
Sure. And right now we absolutely need law and order. I just prefer rules to be enforced by society and it takes a certain populous for that, one that is more advanced than what we have right now.
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>>703249090
i'll break it down for you.
insults rarely lead to the resolution of a conflict but are often the start of one. they hold no value and don't add anything to a discussion. using insults is inadequate and has no use other than to belittle someone and to attack their dignity aka hurt someone. if you're lucky, the guy you insulted will pout, if not, you might get your teeth kicked in. punishing insulters may prevent your teeth from being kicked in.
any more questions?
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http://www.express.de/news/politik-und-wirtschaft/recht/beleidigung-beschimpft-strafe-schimpfwort-teuer-anzeige-strafbar-1261268-seite2

Das ist doch krank...
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>>703251320
and strictly speaking, there arent even british cars anymore, i mean the build cars for other nations/ companies yes, but they dont have a industry on their own, so certainly it only depends on the well meaning of countries like korea, japan and germany.
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>>703251972

Actually the buicks are considered high end cars there and a sign of opulence. Much like a german car is here in the states. It is mainly cause they are expensive in their respective areas. All engineers are fundamental educated in the same way, any results you see are the end result of a budget, you are a dipshit if you think somehow german engineers are privy to some magic engineering info the rest of the world doesn't have. Most german cars are shit piles that fall apart after the warranty, which is why their resale is god awful.

Part of that is they like to over complicate things and the other part is squeezing as much as they can out of the smallest amount, which doesn't leave much room to give, so they tend to fail prematurely. Audi suspension is a fine example and their transmissions are shit heaps. BMWs love to blow water pumps, electronics, etc.

Japanese make boring ass cars that are reliable as fuck, that is the trade off.

>>703252083

You are basically saying there is a different method, but you don't have any idea what it could be, therefore you cannot say with any certainty that method exists.

>>703252361

So, if someone has a low IQ and they are stupid and therefore cannot fathom things you are telling them, if you call them an idiot, accurately, are you insulting them or telling the truth? If the person saying something insulting isn't giving you anything of value to argue, why do you give a shit what they say? It is petty to get mad over an insult from someone you think is weak/pathetic for using said insult, right?
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>>703252668

They still have plenty of engineering, they just don't do the grunt work. Same is common in the US, we aren't imploding cause of it and China has so much fucking debt it is more than double the US now if I remember right. Your argument doesn't hold much water.
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>>703249118
well, "i can smell the german guilt" made it seem like you have this terrible opinion. you're right, we can identify the "idiots" when they're talking shit, but then what? as i wrote before, it doesn't stop with just talking. enough planned refugee hostels have already gone up in flames here.
also, >>703248151 was actually my derogatory opinion about and bitchy response to a guy who clearly is not interested in an objective argument.
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>>703249646
i was at the novarock festival recently. nobody got on my nerves as it often happens at german festivals, i shared a spliff with a guy i just drunkenly approached in front of his tent, we had a lot of funny visitors at our camp and got invited for a few beers to theirs. it was awesome.
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>>703252768
I hope you are not convinced about what you are writing, because it would be a shame and the same time explain, why you americans think you are so great if, in fact, you have a terrible country that runs on debts, military budgets, cheap oil, entertainment and fast food. I mean its 2016 and your car still takes like 30 liter of gasoline for 100 miles because your government pushes the prices down so violently, that the people dont start to riot and can quickly go to the mcdonalds while they the kardashians are on commercials. your cars are awefull and nothing but big, yes i admit, you build big cars, for big people, or cars that automatically run into trucks, thats an achievement as well of course. obviousy you do not understand that the german car industry owns almost all of the high quality nd high end cars such as bugatti and lamborghini and whatever and whatnot and owned, designed and sold by german companies. the quality is not as good as it used to be, i remember well my fathers old benz going easily 400k+ miles, but still a lot better than anything coming from america. sorry man
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>>703249718
no luckily they're not, since the majority still doesn't vote for the extremist parties. but they're on the rise and getting alarmingly strong. speaking out against those ideas and punishing criminal actions is still necessary.
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>>703252880
yes, now they still have some engineering power, but well, the last time i was in camebridge (2014), there where like 80% chinese, okay maybe only 75% but certainly there is no more future quality in british engineering
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>>703254059
by "punishing criminal actions" you mean persecuting those with radical ideas?
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>>703249951
who gets silenced? afd leaders openly call for the closing of the borders and shooting of people at the borders and make pejorative comments about the national soccer team. they are still the leaders of the afd. the founder of pegida calls refugees vermin and things like that and he still isn't locked away in a guantanamo bay like facility. people gather in front of refugee hostels and scream insults as if they were being skewered. there isn't enough capacity to even silence half of them.
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>>703253960

You seem confused and know very little about cars. We have quite a few trucks, but many of those pull 20mpg+ with turbo v6 options out now. We have many midsize cars, but our needs are different as we have to travel quite a bit farther to get anywhere than you do there. This is why it is funny when europoors get mad, cause you get all your information from reality TV or visiting some shithole like LA. Explain specifics about our "awful" cars. I was a mechanic, we had our shit period when our manufacturers fucked up, but that was all fundamental issues of management, not engineering. I am sure thaat benz was diesel. Just had a friend sell his ford truck with 392k miles on it and still running fine with a standard gas engine. I would love to see the maintenance bill on that benz and all the broken shit. Granted benz is probably the better of the major german brands, but stupid shit like their pneumatic locks that would leak and fail, all so they could make them slightly quieter then spend a few grand to fix.

Saying that lamborghini is high quality is laughable at best. They are a beautiful machine and a great toy, but fall apart very quickly. You clearly know jack shit about cars. I like how you can't even address the failures on vehicles, cause you clearly don't know any better. I was a mechanic for years, worked on toyota/lexus for a while, quality was amazing, cars were boring as fuck. Worked for volvo, failed a lot and were expensive as shit to fix. Worked on BMWs/mercedes here and there, they were a joke. BMWs are a fun car in general, but a rolling shit heap after the warranty. Buddy has an N55 335i, we upped the boost, did an in mirror integrated radar detector display and it is fun to drive but fuck me if it doesn't break all the fucking time at about 50k miles. He bought it used contrary to my recommendation and now he is facing a $1500 infotainment module replacement, we had to replace his water pump, expansion tank.
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>>703255094

What is wrong with closing borders and shooting invaders? If you invade other countries they do that. Hell, in mexico if you are caught once, you are sent back, 2nd time, you serve about 25 years in prison. Death sounds like a step up from 25 years in a mexican jail. Soccer team? seriously? Who gives a fuck?

Of course the ruling class gets special concessions, but the peons get attacked for facebook posts.
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>>703250354
it is the END game, you're right, ultima ratio. you won't get around fighting isis. i have no delusions about violence being impossible and i don't pretend to be above it. but in germany, there is no need for violence at the moment. we've had school kids in germany who went on killing sprees more effectively than those two or three wannabe isis fighters trying to blow themselves up.
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>>703250659
see how much more aggressive your answers become when you're insulted? that's why i think they don't have a place in a discussion.
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>>703255754
You see the ISIS terrorist werent influenced by violent video games...
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>>703255941

Aggressive? I call people retards constantly, it is just part of my vernacular. Pretending that was somehow your end game is cute, but ultimately hypocritical and you know you will continue doing it behind the anonymity of 4chan, an american website where you won't face the wrath of your fascist government.
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>>703251111
i don't know where you got the idea, that history and speech about it is getting censored. punishing people who call for the gassing of immigrants and the reopening of concentration camps is not censorship.
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>>703251125
thanks
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>>703251274
if you had tried to read what i wrote, you could have saved the time you wasted on your greentext
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>>703256494

Actually it is by definition censorship, are you confused what that word means?
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>>703241041
Living in Berlin whilr it was getting bombed would have been rad.
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>>703240293
>been living here for a year now

Germany sucks because of people who have been living here for a while now.
YOU are the reason that germany sucks..

Now GTFO back to your sandnigger/nigger country
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>>703255277
Okay, you know your shit about cars! Wow, you know, the numbers tell the story: German cars rule the world, whatever you want to think about it. You know why we dont have American cars here in Europe? People want quality.

I am getting tired of this shit. Your country is good for consumption, ill give you that! Walmart - great! Exxon Mobile, defending peoples Liberty in the middle east! Yes! But other civilisations and countries strive for more than just cheap entertainment and a full fridge. Sorry to dissappoint you. The enlightenment didnt come from America, and neither did the car, scientific theory, the airplane, the train, the steamengine, electric light or anything other usefull. You flew to the moon in German build rockets and your jetplanes come from stolen German technology, i mean even fly-by-wire is a European invention.

What are we even talking about?

You invented fastfood, Google and Netflix, Amazon, ordering stuff from your home, a inhuman society overall.
Are there even great culture achievments? Oh wait, not at all, because your sad union of stats exists for like what, 200 years? After your forfathers holocausted the native american population, there was nobody to bother you nymore right? Well done! When it comes to lazyness and slaughter, of course you are great and do well. Make America great again!! Come on, that is your dream as well. And maybe you even know that Paris is not a country or that the world was not created in 5 thousand years, but with an American one sadly cannot be sure.

Im off to sleep anyways, i just wish that Trump gets elected president and finally your whole country goes to shit, which is already over due., go fuck yourself americunt.
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>>703242990
No wonder you hate it,
Hamburg has become Africa2.0
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>>703251336
society exists, it is a result of the people that are present. laws and government are the results of experiences of many a generations of people. i am also against the complete reliance on law in every matter of everyday life. but the total lack of laws is likely to lead to chaos and lynch law and the likes, especially in densely populated areas.
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>>703252447
da stellt sich mir die frage, wieso man nicht ohne beleidigungen auskommt.
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>>703257144
Nah, when it comes to people that make Germany suck you are definitely one of them.
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>>703257420

>Okay, you know your shit about cars! Wow, you know, the numbers tell the story: German cars rule the world, whatever you want to think about it. You know why we dont have American cars here in Europe? People want quality.

Then they should import more japanese cars, cause those are actual quality vehicles. When I stopped working on cars, I worked in underwriting for a bit for an extended warranty company, german cars topped the charts for losses, couldn't sell the contracts for enough to cover the losses, had to make up for it with japanese cars.

You don't know shit about what you are talking about, so you are just going into full butthurt mode. VW had to cheat to even get their diesels through emissions standards, WHAT AMAZING ENGINEERING! We actually invented the very internet you use, thanks DARPnet/DECnet then moving to IP. I should probably mention I work as a network engineer now in case you feel like foolishly trying to engage in that from a position of ignorance like your joke of a car argument. We also had IPX and a few others. Remind me again, what has your country contributed to the world in the last, I don't know, 50 years? Jack shit? Thought so.

I love how "smart" and "well educated" you euros think you are then flail your arms when you have to match wits with someone.
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>>703244135
Insults and glorification of Nazis yes. Death threats no. Once your speech infringes on the rights of someone else, they are no longer protected.
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>>703252768
you're right, i personally stop caring about someone's opinion about me, if he starts insulting me. but if somebody does care, he has the right to charge the person insulting him.
what we're discussing right now however is "hatespeech" and generalized insults of a whole group of people. no one should be discriminated against because of his origin, beliefs etc. that isn't about myself anymore.
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>>703257937
found the nigger
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>>703258608
What mate, Are you going to hang me now?
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>>703254565
no, by "punishing criminal actions" i mean punishing criminal actions. violence, property damage, "hatespeech" and publicly calling for violence/property damage.
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>>703258478

>you're right, i personally stop caring about someone's opinion about me, if he starts insulting me. but if somebody does care, he has the right to charge the person insulting him.

But why does he have that right? You can take offense to anything and some people do, doesn't mean it should be prosecutable.

Again, where do you draw the line? Hate speech is arbitrary horseshit. It is just the whim of whatever person happens to be involved in that law at the time.
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>>703258704
I'm just gonna send you back to africa where you belong
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>>703257996
Oh well, no internet without computers right? Who invented that again? Oh yeah, a German of course. It makes me sad and entertains me at the same time, that your people cannot even find another country than their own on a map. And that all the "achievements" you really worked out on your own as a civilisation are on your XboX and not a fruit of your scientific tradition. Or do you belive that humans went hunting dinosaurs? I am sure you know somebody who does :) best greetings from europe and please just stay within your broders, which you will probably never leave anyways, because you either cannot afford it, or mexico will satisfy all your needs for cultural diversity
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>>703245453
No. While I agree with you that 99% of te US wealth is held in the hands of 1% of the pop the rest of the country isn't 3rd world. Sure There are some god awful places but not the "rest"
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>>703243424
The gov wants to limit death threats against refugees that's all.
Nazis like the AFD just harm Germany

source: Ukrainian living in Germany
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>>703258979
Good luck with that. In the meantime why dont you just sit back, relax, listen to some Landser or Johny Rebel and fuck yourself
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>>703259036
Of course you will leave your country as a soldier though, to kill and slaughter people in (insert oil-country name here) or just bomb and kill some of your own people like it has been tradition since ww2, which, just to be clear at this point, mostly the russians and the bad German leadership won for you
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Well Germany is cold, the people are 50% weird. that's it
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>>703240293
How's living in the states? Fo you plan on ever leaving the US?
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>>703258856

Why is hatespeech in that mix? Define hatespeech as it is completely arbitrary. Destruction/violence is very easy and objectively defined, the other is vague and subjective which leaves one open to persecution without realizing it is even a crime.

>>703259036

I find it hilarious to ask euros to find states and tell us capitals, which they fail at near constantly. Why is geography, mere memorization, the pinnacle of european intelligence? You basically hold yourselves to the level of a map, probably why you innovate nothing anymore. Being proud of memorization is how you feel superior? I believe there was a famous german that said “Never memorize something that you can look up.” I can always tell when someone is failing at a fundamental level of understanding cause they have to move to something useless like memorization or some other useless nonsense like a sport. Once again, let me know when you guys actually achieve something.
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>>703255484
depends on your definition of an invader. people fleeing war and death are not invaders in my book. also, i don't know why i should say "oh, if other countries do it, we should do it as well". you guys say you want everyone to speak their mind, but if my views differ, you're not happy either.
and a lot of people care about the soccer team (don't ask me why). the remarks weren't about their athletic performance however but about their ethnic backgrounds.
if you call for violence in your facebook posts, you deserve to be charged for it.
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>>703255957
kek
don't tell them or they might get really good at what they want to do
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>>703259636

Funny, cause their own cultural relatives want nothing to do with them, cause they know they will ruin their society. You welcome them to take other people's money of course, I suspect you aren't a major contributor to the economy there and likely are part of the drain, that is why you love it so. You can't have an influx of millions of non-workers and unskilled labor and not take a huge hit to your own resources, which drags you down with them. Meanwhile, wealthy kings in other arab countries laugh at you while you shoot yourselves in the foot.

I want you to speak your mind and would absolutely support your right to do so even to my disagreement with your statements. I would never want to censor your opinions, which is why i debate them rather than childishly try to censor them in disagreement.

What if they call for violence against people calling for violence against them? That is merely self defense.
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Germany is a completely brainwashed country controlled by the media.
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>>703248151

are you speaking of the Koran?
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Piss off, jew loving bastard.
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>>703240293
Duitsland zuigt zwaar. Kanker.
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>>703256144
i get the impression you hide your lack of debating skills behind your "vernacular". and i don't see where i'm being hipocritical. if you were to sue me, because you felt insulted by me calling you a wuss, i honestly would comply and apologize, if you wanted me to. but as i said in another post, we're not discussing the quarrels between two people, we're discussing generalized insults towards a whole group of people. in a country where hundreds of refugee hostels have already gone up in flames, a society needs to be carful, doesn't it?
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>>703256144
also, what will i continue doing? pretend that this was my end game? i didn't.
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>>703256720
are you confused what your own words mean? you said history and speech about it is censored. openly threatening and insulting people and calling for violence and genocides is not history and speech about it.
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>>703242845

Analy-mad hans with a nigger filled country.
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>>703258423
doesn't glorification of nazis mean glorification of their deeds? how is that acceptable? i also wrote a lot about why i think insults rightly being punished.
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>>703246507
Did you just call me stupid?
That is an insult.
To prison with you!
>Hate speech laws exist to protect people from persecution, herp derp
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>>703248144
Amen,Germany,uk,japan,Us,spain,france must be erased.they were,are and will be the greatest Cancer on Earth.
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>>703263348
I'd rather eraze Africa, Arabia and Israel
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>>703258867
because we agreed upon giving everyone that right, not just him. i have no problem with this jurisdiction, since i have the same right as him.
i agree, "hatespeech" should be defined more narrowly, that's why i put it in quotes. but lumping people together because of one or two common features doesn't exactly help solving problems within a society but rather encourages them, until it gets ugly.
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>>703259570
refer to >>703263909
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>>703263869
thanks for the remainder Israel too,I forgot it
spanish here.
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>>703260336
topkek
no, it's an idiom and means "in my opinion"
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>>703262980
again, if you wanted to sue me because you felt insulted, i'd comply. also, you don't need to exaggerate, nobody goes to prison for insulting someone. as far as i know.
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