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There has got to be a solution for this.
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12
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>>703168843
42
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could it be 48?
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16
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44
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>>703168843
21. any other answer is wrong.

also fuck off this thread is shit.
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>>703168843
22

>10+10+10=30
>10+4+4=18
>4-2=2
>1+10*2=22
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>>703168843
having trouble seeing how it could be anything but 21
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>>703168981
It's horseshoes MINUS boots you retard.
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>>703169199
could you explain your answer?
I'm thinking 16 but I could be wrong.
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>>703168843
There is no result as the symbols for a single horseshoe and a single boot are not defined.
/thread
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>>703168984
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Its 3.50
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>>703169310
half of each
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21. Anyone who says 22 doesn't know what bidmas is (or pemdas as the yanks call it)
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>>703169256
First you add then you multiply? What did ya have from math?
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>>703169071
Yes
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Autism to the rescue
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>>703169184

each horse = 10 x 3 = 30... so horse (10) plus 2 sets of horseshoes (4 apiece) = 18 then horseshoes (4) - 2 (pair of boots) = 2... single boot (1) + horse (10) x single horseshoe (half of 4 or 2) = 22 actually not 44... close tho
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42, because math.
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>>703168843
h=horse
s=horseshoe
b=boot

h + 2s = 18 , from line 2
3h + 6s = 54
3h = 30, from line 1
6s = 24
s= 4

h + 2(4) = 18
h + 8 = 18
h = 10

4 - b = 2, from line 3
b= 2

2 + 10 * 4 = ?
2+ (10 * 4) = ?, because PEMDAS
2 + 40 = ?

The answer to the universe.
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>>703168843
21
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horse equals ten
horseshoe equals two
boot equals three

Good luck
Twenty Three
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>>703169314
misses the entire point of these autistic threads and doesn't account for the symbols changing
>mfw
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>variables aren't properly defined, requiring assumptions about values to be made
>PEMDAS and all that shit, but still the final equation is intentionally written to be mildly ambiguous
>shitty math problem
>shitty bait

Answer is still 21 though
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>>703168843
It's 22
Horse = 10
Shoex2 = 4 (Shoex1 = 2)
Boot = 2
Boot + Horse*Shoex1
2 + 10*2 = 22
Why is this thread posted once a week? It's the same trick over and over.
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>>703169464
Correction, 22. I missed the fact that there was only one horsehoe in the last equation.
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>>703168843
lets see so three horseys make 30, so a horsey is 10!

a horsey and four horseyshoes make 18 so a horseyshoe is 2!

two horseyshoes minus two stunning boots make 2 so a boot is 1!

a horsey times a horseyshoe is 10*2 which is 20, plus a beautiful boot makes it 21!

The answer is 21
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>>703169524
>misses number of boots
>dumb nigger
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>>703169260
Show how it CAN be 21 and not 22.
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>>703169199
/thread

Was about to argue you, but then I noticed I was wrong.
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>>703169532
Fuck, i missed the one boot also. 21 it is.
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>>703169487
WHOOPS

Boot equals one

21
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>>703169256
>what is PEMDAS
kill yourself
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>>703169532
There's also one boot, buddy
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>>703169608
read any other post about this, idiot
horse is 10. each horseshoe is 2. each boot is 1.
1+(2*10) = 21
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Everybody saying 22 has a form of brain damage, it's 21
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Answer: 21

Horse: 10
(Single) HorseShoe[SHS]: 2 (Assumption, as HorseShoes: 4.)
(Single) Boot[SB]: 1 (Assumption, as Boots: 2.)

Horse (10) x SHS(2) = 20
20 + [SB] = 21

Lot of assumption though, Different symbols could mean completely different numbers.
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>>703169670
Already corrected myself, but thanks anyways.
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>>703169788
Gotcha
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>>703169428
clearly multiples of a symbol should be multiplied and not added.

20 + sqrt(2) is definitely the answer you niggers
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44, so easy, there are some of these much more difficult
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>>703169502

variables are well defined... if you can get a multiple boot and evenly divide said value fraction or not (ie pair of boots or horseshoes to half the value, even a fraction or decimal for the singular boot/horseshoe instead) its easily solvable as 703169439 shows... 22 final answer anything else is incorrect accordingly
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21 ....you pieces of shit, god how far 4channers have gone, cant even use pemdas right smh
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>>703169839
>>much autism
But you have a point.
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>>703169885
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>>703169487
One horse shoe and one boot
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>>703169947
cant tell if good bait or huge retard so i'm going to bite just to call you a huge retard in case
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>>703169839
Do you even understand how squaring works?

Your bullshit implies two boots make 2 because your multiplying a root2 boot root2 times.

1 boot = 1
1 boot * 2 = 2

8/10 bait for making me spell this out.

9/10 for me for ruining your fun
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>>703168843
42
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>>703170102
im saying its the value of a boot x the value of a boot
a number x2 is the same thing as adding it to itself which is what im saying might not be the case

we dont actually know im just fucking around
neither of us are right you idiot
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>>703168843
obviously saying that one shoe is worth half of two shoes is horsesheet, same goes for the boots. If you only have one it is worth nothing.

So horse = 10 + 0 for single horse shoe + 0 for single boot = 10.

what did I win?
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>>703168984
This
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>>703169564
Fuck, I've been double-duped
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48
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>>703170235
A failure 2 algebra certificate, since they could represent different numbers, such as x and y.
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>>703170217
Root2 * 2 isn't 2 you fucking nigger. It would be 2root2 good christ.

Give a round of applause for common core everyone, look how it helped this aspie with his math.

Good job Obama
Good job America
We have, as a nation, gone full retard.
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>>703169362
says who
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whoever is solving as 21... there are no parenthesis and PEMDAS does not apply... its solved left to right not as two separate arguments... therefore 1 + 10 x 2... 1 + 10? = 11... 11 x 2? so there we have it... 22... you dont seperate the argument as it is not defined as such... or the answer could be 21... except it isnt... ask a mathmetician to explain better so you can understand the problem
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21 dickheads
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>>703168981
/thread
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10 + 10 + 10 = 30
10+4+4=18
4-2= 2
2+ 10 * 4 = 2.104

It's allways a pleasure, u dont have to thank me
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>>703170476
but what if the value of a pair is found by mulitplying the value of each boot instead of adding the value of each boot. read the words i post pls
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>>703170522
Can't tell if trolling or stupid..
Bodmas or Pemdas always applies, no matter the scenario in mathing up some numbers.
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>>703169294
3horse= 30; horse=10
horse + 2pairofhorseshoes = 18; pairofhorseshoe = 4
pairofhorseshoe - pairofboots = 2; pairofboots= 2

singleboot = pairofboots/2; singleboot = 1
singlehorseshoe = pairofhorseshoe/2; singlehorseshoe = 2


singleboot + horse * singlehorseshoe= ??;
1 + 10*2 = 21
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It's life, the universe, and everything.

And all y'all getting 22... smh.

It's a fucking linear system of equations in three variables.
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>>703168843
faze rain did a video about this
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>>703170476
Case 1: The value of a pair of boots is found by adding the value of each individual boot together.

Each boot equals 1 because 1+1 = 2.

Case 2: The value of a pair of boots is found by multiplying the value of each individual boot together.

Each boot equals sqrt(2) because sqrt(2)*sqrt(2) = 2

If only there was any convention for doing algebra with pictures of horses and boots.
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>>703169839
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>>703168843
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Y'know, after reanalyzing the contents of this thread, I think the master troll of us all is the OP, for posing such a question knowing the thread would argue. When in actuality, all the answer could very well be is a one legged cowboy riding a retarded horse wearing only one shoe.
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>>703170631
Then you'd have to do the same shit with the horseshoe. You can't have it both ways, fuckface.
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>>703170522

as if there was parenthesis separating the horse and horseshoe... then it would be 21... 1+ (10 x 2)... but it isnt so just solve in process left to right... 1 + 10 = 11, then multiply by 2 for total of 22
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>>703170881
2+2 = 4
2*2 = 4

man math is crazy
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>>703170825
"2+10x^4=42"
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>>703170934
Even though there may not be any parenthesis separating 1+10x2 in the way in which you describe, the next evaluation would be "Are there Exponents?" to which the answer is no, then the next step would be "Multiplication / Division" which 10 would then be multiplied by 2.
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>>703170807
It's a failing on the instructor if they're going to use real world, QUANTIFIABLE items to represent variables.

>hurr durr stupid kids
>of course I'm talking about root2 of a boot and not one boot
>u hav F grade AIDZ lulz!!!!1!!
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>>703171063
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21 euros, antonio
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You're all cancer fags if you get 22...
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Oh damn... I just noticed the symbols changed in the final line... I was duped. Good one.

3x=30
x+4y=18
2y-2z=2

--> x = 10, y=2, z=1

z+xy = 21
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21 you retards. Multiplication before addition.
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>>703170936
Root2 * root2 != root2 + root2

Fuck off back to remedial math, Downsy McSyndrome.
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>>703171205
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>>703171063
If you think the numbers have to represent anything then what is one horse 10 of?
What is one horse shoe two of?

Since the answer to both of these is nothing it's pretty clear to say that the choice of symbol is meaningless and their real world properties should not be considered when solving this autistic little problem.
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My math and deduction skills are lacking because of brain damage. At least give a hint.
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>>703171275
>>703171225
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>>703168843
what the fuck
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>>703171225
Damn you ran out of believable bait. You had a good run though.
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>>703170461
I realize that getting your brain cells fired up may take some time. Take your time, think about it.

You walk into a shoe shop and see a pair of boots you like for 100$. You ask the shoe guy for a pair in your size, he goes behind the counter and comes back with a single boot, it is all he has he says, he will let you have it for 50$.

Do you buy the single boot for 50$? Well, probably, you are autistic after all.

Most people would not. Two boots are worth 100$, one boot is worth nothing.
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>>703171225
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>>703170934

Multiplication has precedence over addition.
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>>703171275
>anon has a good argument
>better focus on the horse
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>>703169310
This.
/thread
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>>703171335
What if you owned a pair of the same boots and one of them was damaged but the other was in tact. In this case one boot would be worth something to you and you'd be willing to pay half the price of a pair for it. Don't make so many assumptions about who needs the boot when assigning it value.
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>>703171323
>>703171356
This level of retardation could only come from /vg/
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>>703169947
You always multiply and divide before you add and subtract (with the exception being things in parenthesis). That's how order of operations works.
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>>703168843
Horse + Horse + Horse = 30
>3 * Horse = 30 -> Horse = 30/3 = 10
Horse + 2*Horseshoe + 2* Horseshoe = 18
>10 + 4*Horseshoe = 18 -> 8 = 4* Horseshoe -> 8/4 = 2 = Horseshoe
2*Horseshoe - 2*Shoe = 2
>4 - 2* Shoe = 2 -> -2*Shoe = -2 -> Shoe = 1
Shoe + Horse x Horseshoe = 1 + 10 x 2 = 21
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>>703168984
Ding ding ding
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>>703171335
justdie
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>>703169839
Are you actually medically retarded?
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>>703168843
There are truly stupid niggers in this thread. The answer is 42.
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>>703171625
I don't usually like tattoos on a girl, but those are actually quite nice.

go kill yourself faggot
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>>703171686
Explain why this couldn't be the case.
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>>703171576
You're not the brightest crayon in the box are you?
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>>703171467
good point, now we have to look at the equations above for damaged goods
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>>703171501
what a random board to bag on
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>>703171770
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>>703168843
X + X + X = 3X = 30
So therefore
30 ÷ 3 = X
X = 10

X + Y + Y = 18
1X + 2Y = 18
Since we know X = 10 we can subtract from both sides
2Y = 8
Y = 8 ÷ 2
Y = 4

Y - Z = 2
4 - Z = 2
Z = 2

Z + X × Y = N
2 + 10 x 4
12 × 4
= 48
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Most real humans have accepted 21 as an answer by now.
This answer is reached by assuming that the value of one boot or one horseshoe is HALF of the value of a pair.
Because it is not explicitly stated in the problem, we can't establish any relationship between pairs and single items.
Adding is intuitive so most people just go with that, but really it could be multiplication, or even some super autistic shit like exponents.
Basically fuck you guys we can't know who is right.
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If you get any other answer than 42 then pic related applies to you
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Clearly the doubled boots represent contravariant tensors and the double horseshoes are covariant.
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>>703170522
You are a fucking stupid nigger. Order of operations is as follows:
parenthesis, then exponents, then multiplication and division, then addition and subtraction. You fucking doublenigger.
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horse = 10
horse shoe = 4
boot = 2
answer = 48
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>>703172076
but there's only one shoe and horseshoe in the last line, anon
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>>703168843
42.
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>>703171939
>pemdas
You multiply before you add dipshit.
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>>703171939
>Doesn't account for missing horseshoe or missing boot.
>Does addition before multiplication
>Doesn't even know PEMDAS
Get the fuck outta here.
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>>703170807
The value of a pair of boots is found by ADDING the value of each individual boot together, you fucking stupid nigger. Are you fucking telling me that you think if the value of each boot was 1 then 2 boots would equal 1? You are fucking retarded.
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>>703171576
>Horse + Horse + Horse = HorseHorseHorse

>Horse + 2*Horseshoe + 2* Horseshoe = HorseHorseshoeHorseshoeHorseshoeHorseshoe

>2*Horseshoe - 2*Shoe = Horse Horse

>Shoe + Horse x Horseshoe = ShieHorseHorseHorseshoe

/thread
You're welcome
No applause
Just throw money
Or maybe give me a blow job
WHATEVER
I'm right
Make America Great Again
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>>703171826
so prove me wrong, fag?
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15
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>>703168843
21
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>>703171872
You ever been on that board? About as bad as /mu/
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Its fucking 21, Any other answer is autism learning disability bullshit and they need to die.
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>>703172201
You don't know that for sure you're just assuming because you're easily swayed by what the symbols in the problem look like in real life.

There isn't a real shoe in your monitor dude its just a symbol. Don't assume so much.

Also side note about the boot thing, the value of a pair is given first (2) so the multiplication method would give a value of sqrt(2) to each individual boot. Fuck off.
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>>703172354
it's pretty varying based on what game it is.
but yes generals are always awful.
/vg/ is literally a containment board
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>>703171914
The only girl I have ever seen with better tats is that one that has a loli tattoo on her pussy.

Got any more? this thread has been trolled to death
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>>703172378
Okay you fucking retard, explain to me how the horseshoes aren't sqrt(4) each instead of 2 each because sqrt(4)*sqrt(4)=4 hurrdurr cuz u multiply em
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>>703172553
;^)
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dunno and too superstitious to even think about it
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>>703172378
sqrt(2)*2 = ~2.82 (rounded, obviously). You are a moron.
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>>703172553
It's getting late and i've just been biting to keep thread alive because im sick of only seeing autistic sexual fantasy threads like fur/loli and whatever so ima go to bed now but its been fun dude
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>>703172242
>horse=10
10×3=30
>horseshoe=4
And boot=2
>10+4+4=18
>4-2=2
>2+10×4 (PEMDAS applies here faggot)
>10×4=40
>40+2=42

Stupid nigger
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>>703172624
Yea i agree sqrt(2)*2 = ~2.82
but sqrt(2)*sqrt(2) = 2.
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>>703172672
>horseshoe=4
wrong. in the image there are 2 horseshoes.
>And boot=2
also here are two boots
>(PEMDAS applies here faggot)
i applied pedmas, fag (1 + 10 x 2 = 21 IS calculated with pedmas)

your mistake is the double boot and double horseshoe. While they're double in the first lines, in the last line there's only one of them.
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>>703172492
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This is why I can't wait to graduate college. If you stupid fucks are my competition and can't do simple math then I can get any job i apply for. Keep being dumb.

By the way 42 is the correct answer.
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>>703172767
Yes, but in a PAIR you would multiply it by two. You don't fucking multiply the values by each other you nigger.
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>>703172987
>If you stupid fucks are my competition and can't do simple math
but you did wrong, too, anon. you amerifags are so pathetic. The correct answer is 21
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>>703172917
Where are you getting 1 from?
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>>703173067
Kek what? Hahaha this is why Europe is fucked
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>>703173150
2 boots = 2, ergo 1 boot = 1.
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>>703172987
you are fired
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>>703173250
says who
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>>703173306
logic
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I went with 21, but there's no sound answer.

We simply don't know what "double boots" vs "single boot" means and similarly for horseshoes. Without that definition, the answer is ambiguous.

The natural solution would be to assume doubling a symbol implies a coefficient of two. I venture to bet this is what the puzzle's maker intended, as it slights those of us who are used to algebra and allows for an easy trap answer of 42.

As others have said it could imply multiplication of the symbol with itself, so exponentiation.

Indeed, the doubled symbol and singular symbol could even be completely separate (and poorly chosen) variables, which wouldn't result in a unique answer at all.
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>>703173327
its illogical to make assumptions
especially in math
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>>703173250
I would pay 2$ for a pair of boots, but I would not pay 1$ for one.

2 boots = 2, 1 boot = 0
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>>703173060
What if the horseshoe is a base and the boot is an exponent?
Log\/hs
B^B
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>>703173306
The same people who say water is wet, dirt is dirty, and you are a retard.
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>>703173250
>a single boot is worth half as much as a pair

Good luck getting even 25% of the price selling a single boot

The answer is unknown
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>>703173250
No your right. I see what you mean the answer is 21. Didn't notice the difference in the number of boots until closer inspection. 21 is the answer. I thought it was 2 boots and 2 horseshoes. I stand corrected
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>>703173428
is your major psychology?
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21?
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>>703172063
Nah G. BIDMAS is where it's at.
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>>703173394
depends on the situation
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>>703173531
you stupid
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>>703173531
Yes. 21
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>>703173424
If you can name something that equals 4 with both the exponent and the number being the exact same number, sure. I don't know shit about bases.
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>>703173589
Oh wait, that's 2. Which would mean both horseshoes would still be 2.
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>Ctrl + F
>41
>no results that are actual answers
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>>703173574
we have gone over that, I am just telling you how much a single boot is worth it "to me".

Math is much easier when you are an egotistical bastard
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Horse = 10 (10x3 =30)
10 + 4 + 4 = 18, so horseshoe = 4
4-2 = 2, so Boot = 2
2 + 10 x 4 = X
Therefore X = 12x4 = 48

Learn to basic math faggots
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It changes feom 2 boots and 2 horseshoes to 1 boot and 1 horseshoe. The values in the equation change. The answer is 21.
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>>703173512
>the answer is 21

you poor bastard.

Well at least you are willing to accept your mistakes and keep an open mind, keep trying.
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>>703168843
Twenny Wun nigga
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>>703173723
Notice the number of boots and horseshoes change?
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>>703173666
holy fuck I got satanic trips
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>>703173766
what makes you think anybody will buy a single boot for 50% of what they would pay for two boots
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>>703168843
Its 22, so easy.
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>>703173770
How is it not?
The number of boots and horseshoes change dipshit. Look at the fucking picture and tell me you dont see a single boot and a single horshoe anywhere. It literally cuts the fucking number in half
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>>703169199
this anon knows whats up
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48
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>>703173958
PEDMAS, fag
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>>703168984
it would be 42 but it's 21 cos theres only 1 horseshoe not two in the last picture
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>>703173965
doesnt mean its half the value
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>>703168843
22
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>>703173942
perhaps as a replacement? perhaps you already bought a pair of that kind and needed one more to replace a broken/missing shoe?

think outside the box child, its not hard to think of a single scenario
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>>703173368

Eh, I'm going to nitpick. It's not illogical to make assumptions per se. We do that all the time in mathematics.

What's incorrect is to claim truth without proper justification.
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>>703173723
My dad always sucks aka order of operation. Basic
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>>703174077
>claim truth without proper justification
>claim truth while using baseless assumptions

seems like the same thing to me boss
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>>703173942
That's not the question though. Stop reading too much into it. Each pair is assigned a number. Then that number gets divided as one from the pair gets taken away. Its not hard
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>>703174077
>We do that all the time in mathematics.
theoretical and practical application of mathematics, yes.
algebra, hard no.
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>>703173965
I definitely see a single boot and a single horseshoe.

Where I disagree is with this weird attempt at claiming that a single boot is worth half as much as a pair of boots.

you would have to be a hell of a salesman to pull that off
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>>703172063
/thread
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>>703174039
That's exactly what the fuck it means dumfuck!
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>>703173589
The base for the boots would be 1.386(rounded) giving an answer of 15.86.
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>>703174200
nice argument
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>>703174177
Ok stay with me on this. You and your brother are sitting on a tree. You fall because you are retarded. How many people are still on the tree?
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>>703174066
we already did this upthread. I feel like I am in groundhog day

If I am looking for a replacement I am not offering more than 25%. It is not like you can sell that boot to anybody else any time soon.
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3 x HORSE = 30
HORSE = 30 / 3 = 10
10 + 2 x HORSESHOE = 18
HORSESHOE = ( 18 - 10 ) / 2 = 4
4 - BOOTS = 2
BOOTS = 4 - 2 = 2
2 + 10 x 4 = 42
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>>703174296
>How many people are still on the tree?
you never told us how many were there in the first place.
just that two people were there.
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>>703174189
>/thread
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>>703168843
It's 23 you dumb sonsofbitches
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>>703174296
take a hundred dollar bill and cut it in half. Try to sell that half on craigslist for 50$
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>>703174338
Look at the equation again. 1 boot=1
1 horseshoe=2
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>>703174444
rekt with 4 4s.
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>>703174373
You can't be this dumb...there were 2 people total in the tree. You and your brother....
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>>703174444
Are you retarded? I know this is most likely bait. But are you retarded. What does a 100$ have to do with this equation?
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>>703174502
you didnt say that.
you just said me and my brother.
there could have easily been a mexican family living there.
welcome to scientific theory by the way.
this is why youre a sports medicine major
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>>703174578
what do trees have to do with the equation
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>>703174622
Wait, there is an equation?
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>>703174578
you are claiming that one boot is worth half as much as two boots.

I am giving you an example where half as much of something is worth nothing.

To me, one boot is worth nothing. I would definitely not pay half as much for a single boot as I would for two boots.
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>>703174166

All of mathematics is built upon axioms. We don't worry about it with everyday algebra, but it's there. Check out Peano for an especially pedantic read.
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>>703168843
3x=30
x=10
10+2y=18
2y=8
y=4
4-z=2
z=2
z'+10y'=0
z'=-10y'
there's the answer.
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>>703173673
Thats because its wrong
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>>703174666
hectically it's asking for an expression.
but yes, satan
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>>703174586
Obviously if i didn't mention a mexican family then there wasn't one.
This is why im in college and you won't get into one.
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>>703174685
Then you're not even attempting to solve the equation. B8 confirmed
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>>703168843
22
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>>703174754
the picture didnt say the value of half of something.
so there is none.
that's why im a stem grad and you're confused at remedial algebra.
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>>703174828
It's implied.
>don't believe that you ever got into college with your logic
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>>703174814
That is not true!
Since a single boot is worth nothing to me the equation becomes:

0+10*2= 20

that may change as the true value of 1 horse shoe comes to light though.
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>>703174898
yeah it's implied that you were an accident and your mom doesnt want you yet here you are
>>
As an algebraic symbol, a single horseshoe is of unknown value. This argument is pointless.
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Jesus Christ. It's been over 30 years since I took an algebra class and even I can figure out it's 21.

Horse = X = 10
Horseshoe = Y = 2
Boot = Z = 1
X + X + X = 10 + 10 +10 = 30
X = 2Y + 2Y = 10 + (2x2) + (2x2) = 10 + 4 + 4 = 18
2Y - 2Z = (2x2) - (2x1) = 4 - 2 = 2
Z + XY = 1 + (10x2) = 1 + 20 = 21.

It's like this place is infested with retards that think an airplane can't take off if it's on a giant treadmill.
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>>703176018
>X = 2Y + 2Y = 10 + (2x2) + (2x2) = 10 + 4 + 4 = 18

Sorry, that should have been "X + 2Y + 2Y = 10 + (2x2) + (2x2) = 10 + 4 + 4 = 18"

I shall now kill myself because of a typo. I hope you assholes are happy.
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