i dont think ill ever understand why humans enjoy torture
what does /b/ think?
are you talking about the torturer or torturee?
If it's the former I wouldn't say people enjoy it, but it can sometimes lead to justice or answers.
If it's the latter, I mean some people are weirdos. Obviously it wouldn't be something that kills you like you have pictured but i would assume they had some weird shit happen to them young and then they end up liking it like most things.
I think that there is a certain portion of the population that has a certain proclivity towards sadism and thus torture. Consider all of the dickheads and douchebags you've met in your life and then all the genuinely kind and helpful people.
In my experience, the former is in a lesser percentage than the latter, but if of those two populations were to torture someone, my bet would be on the former.
They think it's funny.
Real bullies always think what they do is funny....
are you talking about sexual torture or the killing kind like op's picture?
If it's sexual torture it could be as simple as getting hit/hitting someone you found attractive as a kid or something like getting raped and beaten by your parents. There really isn't an exact science to it.
They first have to depersonalize. Then they have to be frustrated, usually sexually, but then who isn't frustrated. Then they must choose evil, and once they choose to be evil, they revel in it - wnd denial.
Essentially a sociopath, or worse, a psychopath that takes pleasure in evil, is required for torture to occur.
There is no justification of it.
It is evil.
well people who torture people to death seriously have something wrong with them and will hopefully will be put in jail or die.
As far as government torture, even though it doesn't usually get reliable results i'm for it if it means more brown people in pain.
Morbid curiosity, honestly thats only why... its okay to do thing to people as long as it dosent happen to you, Id very easily hurt other people.
Electrocute, pull nails, waterboard.
cover their faces in piss soaked sacks and stop them from sleeping from days.
Id do it no problem , but id ever want it to be me, id rather die.
I'd be happy to hurt but not be hurt, I have to much pride.
I honestly dont think about it that way, I think if youve fallen into that position you either have done something deserving of it, where catastrophically unlucky to be placed there, Or didnt have a big enough silver spoon in your mouth or bribe to unchain yourself from that.
Generally horrible shitty things happen to shitty people.
This is literally false. There was an experiment where random people were chose as prison guards and prisoners. The guards were told to do terrible things to the prisoners, and they complied simply because they were told to. There was another study where person A was told to give person B shock therapy. Person B was told to pretend to be horribly electrocuted whenever a light that only he could see came on. Person A would press the button the :electrocute person B without hesitation, despite believing person B was in immense pain. There is no such thing as a sociopath.
It's human nature. The instinct for "justice" is biologically favorable. Those who seek justice are less likely to suffer injustice.
An instinct could never capture the nuances of something as subjective as justice, so usually it just manifests as a desire for revenge. But to call it simple revenge would be an oversimplification as well, as humans enjoy seeing others "get what they deserve" regardless of whether they are personally involved. Still, as you would expect an instinct to be, it's greedy and unmeasured, and in the absence of other conflicting/mitigating instincts or judgements, e.g. sympathy, mercy, and fairness, it can easily result in the desire to torture those who we believe have wronged us.
>be 12 watch gore for first time
>freak the fuck out
>Watch it again , feel ill
>10 years on can watch most shit now no problem or bad feeling.
> Studies in the past have shown the internet can desensitise people to murder death and torture to almost the same extent ans exposed front line soldiers.
> I fully believe it, Can watch anything no problem.
I reckon if I actually smelt the masses of blood or bodies id probably crack though, but visually no problem.
Cant vouch for it, would be some way to go Id rather die staring out a firing squad with no blindfold or some shit, if im going to be shot what difference does a blindfold make, I'd hope I can atleast see the man who will end me.
True sociopaths are conditioned to enjoy others suffering its hard wired into them (look it up) i wouldn't go as far as torture is concerned but im certain there are some that love it.
Torture serves some legitimate purposes. But the bronze bull seemed like a stupid and needlessly flashy way to burn someone alive.
>There is no such thing as a sociopath.
Sure there is. We're all born sociopaths. If your parents aren't shit and you have enough interaction with peers and you're not retarded, you grow the fuck out of it before adulthood.
What about CIA or other government employees whose job it is to "extract" information from people? Do you think they enjoy it? i'd bet some seriously fucked up shit happens behind closed doors of most of the worlds governments.
i believe they did so because the screams of the victim would come out the nose holes (along with the smoke) and make a roar similar to a bulls.
so they would find amusement in someones torture.
>they complied simply because they were told to
Thats the part of the test they cant prove because ethics wont allow them to, there are many sociopaths who hate authority figures and would still push the button given the opportunity because they enjoy it.
What a crock of shit. A religion created by "inherently evil" people will be inherently evil, which is precisely how I'd describe medieval Christianity or Islam at any time period. Religion is neither a necessary nor a sufficient condition for society.
Predators make life interesting do they not. Suffering feeds them etherically or psychically or something . There is some kind of twisted benefit that feeds shadow to magnify hurt and bring dilema to the feeders in the shadows. The energy that comes off people is interesting when you are distressed and unfulfilled . Keep it coming . The shadow feeders require more angst.
Nice try. Are they sadists and psychopaths because they enjoy torture or do they enjoy torture because they are sadist and paychopaths? Likely the first, but you are just labeling what they are doing not giving a reason.
You could speculate all day. Maybe torturing animals or humans has gotten them attention (even is it is negative attention). Or perhaps it's a form of a escape from or avoidance of questions or danger. Or maybe it is automatically arising (it feels good for some reason).
" The bull was in the form and size of an actual bull and had an acoustic apparatus that converted screams into the sound of a bull. The condemned were locked in the device, and a fire was set under it, heating the metal until the person inside roasted to death."
Shitty king used it for criminals though.
Every scientific advancement has been made in order to better understand the world a perceived higher power has created for us. The most beautiful works of human creativity have been made in honor of a perceived higher power. When you lose sight of that higher power you get cultural Marxism and cuckoldry. Is that what you want? Belief in higher power ties one to his roots.
By getting beat the fuck up by the people you wronged, same as for kids. Of course, by adulthood, people are usually better at disguising themselves, so even if they're sociopaths, they won't act like one all the time. This makes them less likely to perform sociopathic acts, but also less likely to reform.
Torture, especially public torture that precedes an execution, is a valuable tool of an unstable state.
In states like this, the answer to the question 'is it better to be loved or feared?' is always the latter, and torture allows the state to demonstrate their power. The more gruesome the torture, the less likely a population is to rebel, especially when they think you will do worse shit to them that the states enemies.
And used it on the devices creator. Fuck that.
Truth is most humans don't like torture, even when fighting their worst enemies. But the 1% of humans do lack remorse and I think that makes them more likely to seek and acquire power and so we're faced with the risk of torture on a daily basis. The gene for this needs to be found and weeded from the human population somehow.
Gtfo religion-fag. God is dead. We killed him because we didn't need him to protect us from the monsters when we realized they were inside us.
I'm afraid it's the bolter for you.
Damn, looks like in E U P H O R I C now...
Even the worship of Kek (praise be upon him) serves a purpose.
Torture is a form of "justice" created and used by mankind since the dawn of time, Pain and suffering has alway been a payment/pennence. some cultures made sport of it "aztecs" Losing a Ball game to an opposing tribe meant the whole tem had to kneel and willingly be stabbed through the mouth, or be altred and have the heart removed while alive to appease gods.
torture and ritual murder has and always be part of humanity, same with war.
Political torture is often done to get answers not enjoy suffering.
The man who designed that bull was the only person to die in one. The political leader he built it foe was in such disgust a human would built such a vile devise, he killed it's creator with it.
It'd be like killing muslims by stabbing them in the dickhole , shit they do to others because they are still savages
The Codex Astartes does not support this action anon.
It's beneficial to survival to be a "meanie-head." It's also detrimental to survival at the same time. This is why we have conflicting instincts that drive us both to acts of great humanity and terrible wrath.
Satanic death cults
>god is an idea and not real
>we killed god
>mfw you can only kill people and not ideas
>mfw even if God is just an idea atheists can never kill him
It's okay, I'm sure Jesus will let you see your sisters pussi if you keep praying you autistic fuck.
Well you like killing a single person over time which makes you a sadist.
I frequently feel like killing vast swathes of people and causing mass destruction and devastation in the shortest timespan possible
What does that make me?
Typical religious faggot, injecting ideology into a discussion about human nature.
So I guess your answer to OP's question would be "God made us horrible torturers because he loves us so much!"
Honestly, i think humans are drifting more towards war than torture. Its simply much more fun to see an explosion that rains soot and debris over you from hundreds of meters away than see someone scream in pain.
Why do civilizations use torture? The two biggest reasons are to make people fear to commit certain acts and to pull information from people about groups considered a threat to peace, prosperity, or power. Why do people commit torture outside of a govt system? They are fucked in the head, probably sexually abused, and they lack empathy.
Depends how far you define Society, Society is usally envisioned as a multinaitional and cultural exchange with mutual interest, its not always been the case.
Society or survivalist grouping, doing whats needed over what "society"/ the tribe thinks is right.
Dude you're not that fucking stupid for real, are you?
Saying "we killed god because we made him obsolete" still fails to metaphorically kill god as well.
>you can't kill an idea
Is a fucking metaphor as well, you retard.
Jesus christ I wasn't even trying to seriously call atheists stupid, just goof on you, but hot damn, you social rejects can't stop destroying your own image.
ar is nothing now, they take in people good at video games, because of their enhanced reflexes, they put them into drone control, war is far from home now, its become a game for the current gen in many armies.
Atheists are stupid senpai, they chose the ZOG religion over their own heritage.
anybody remember the movie "Law Abiding Citizen"? That had probably the worst torture you could act out on somebody. The main character paralyzed his victim, but use a toxin that didn't numb you so you could feel everything. Then he meticulously vivisected and amputated the limbs. He had a adrenaline shots on hand to keep the victim from passing out, and probably tourniquets and blow torches to keep him from bleeding out I think. Good movie.
Well what about in the coming hundred years when WWIII will happen? When war will literally go to you in the form of atomic hellfire? I'd stand outside and embrace the deafening carnage.
I think we're drifting more towards song and dance.
i happen to think the latter is real, because the human mind is powerfull enough to fool itself with such an illusion. Then it doesnt matter if demons exist, you will act like they are.
My answer was this
(Ignore the auto-correct)
I don't need to inject my ideology to answer a question, unlike the person who says
>ugh it's idiots who believe in sky daddy and has never been caused by the huns, Chinese, mongols or other atheists.
Religion has nothing to do with torture and nor does atheism.
You're more dense than Laci green drowned in concrete
How about being hooked up into a matrioshka brain with an omnipotent AI that puts you into a dimension of pure pain and dilates time so much a second passes outside the simulation while billions of years pass in your little hell?
Shit would suck, real bad.
Was on a ferry to france and my friend took 3 tabs of lsd because hes a fucking idiot and didnt know what he was doing.
50+ minutes later he had locked himself in one of the ships toilets because he believed he had become an Orange and people were trying to eat him.
The power of the mind is not something to be fucked with I agree.
Laci Green should be tortured tbqh. Any way my point was that society has a lot to do with torture because the only thing that keeps people from torturing is society. And religion is important to the maturation of a functional society. I used religion loosely though meaning belief in a high power or set of ideals. I just couldn't handle the fedora autism.
I think I hate atheists more because as an agnostic, I refuse to make a decision on something so arbitrary to life.
>if there's a god
Cool, limbo here I come
>of there's not
Alright, same ending as evertone else.
But atheists consider it a fucking sin to not immediately side with their elitist ideology. Most religious people just say "okay, but if you ever want to talk about god, I'm here" while most atheists say "LMAO you're stupid. How's your sky daddy, haha you're too pussy to not believe, fucking fence sitter."
I just find it hypocritical that claims they are fed up with bible thumper aND recruiters special d more time thumping and recruiting their own form of belief system.
Jesus dude, and you people are accusing ME of wearing a fedora? It is a metaphor, it doesn't have to be 100% true(and obviously can't be because god isn't real) because IT IS A METAPHOR.
My soul is actually really fucking healthy
I'm not the one who brought it up you fucking moron.
>One reason why religion is a must for a functional society
If that's not you, then gtfo of my conversation with someone else if you're not going to read the whole thing.
I hope this is real because thats fucking nuts
Simply put, pain is how we know who's in control. Now what does this mean? How does it relate to sex?
In the seconds before an animal kills its prey, we see a power struggle. The dominant role has been established and in turn so has the submissive role. The prey has lost his individuality and his survival is in the hands of his attacker.
In many ways power struggles of this kind occur in sex: the idea of completely succumbing to the dominant counterpart in a relationship, to have individuality stripped, to be objectified, used, helpless, and to <i> be </i> entirely for another is sexually arousing.
Pain reminds the submissive individual of their helplessness, reminds them that they, like the prey, are completely dependent on the <i> other </i> - and your survival is in their hands. Moreover, inflicting pain, like the predator, is in many ways a reminder that control is in their hands.
If religion is a must, then you're positing that most people lack the ability to critically think for themselves.
If religion IS a necessity for people to not be "evil" then most people are fucking retarded, or humanity is inherently sociopathic.
It isn't the latter, as humans are socially herd creatures.
Best thing ive read all night.
My fucking god.
Hey /b/ I have friend who is alphafag but I'm very beta. How do you become alpha and stop being pussy?
The Judas Cradle, a terrible medieval torture where the victim would be placed on top of a pyramid-like seat. The victim's feet were tied to each other in a way that moving one leg would force the other to move as well - increasing pain.
The triangular-shaped end of the judas cradle was inserted in the victim's anus or vagina. This torture could last, depending on some factors discussed below, anywhere from a few hours to complete days.
The time it took someone to die varied enormously from individual to individual. Torturers would sometimes add weight to the victim's legs as to increase pain and hurry the victim's death. Other torturers would place oil on the device which increased pain considerably.
This device was rarely, if at all, washed. If the victim did not die quickly enough, or their painful execution was interrupted, they would invariantly die from an infection.
You dont become alpha, its a stae of mind and how you were raised.
You have a shit upbringing and came out okay?
>youll probably behave alpha.
You have alot of male role models, mechanics grandfathers, ,father boxed or did service?
>Youll probably behave alpha.
Went through scholl and didnt get judged hard as fuck?, If you did you give a fuck or did you insult back?
>will probably come out alpha.
Its all mindset and conditioning.
Its about a sentient´sadistic computer who traps the last remaining humans in his own private torture world and makes them immortal. Its pretty short and you can read it online. They also made a fuckin weird Video game out of it for the PC
Id say indifference to others sufferings and total lack of empathy dont exactly point to a healthy soul. unless you want to be reborn again and again untill youve gotten that we are one and its thus unwise to do harm unto others
I think that the mirror Is mankinds most deceptive invention and that our reflection on the water is natures chance to laugh at our disgust at ourselves. Water is the most honest mirror and it will throw back at you if you lose your temper at it.
That is without a doubt the most autistic thing I've seen on here within the last month
Shit upbringing check
No male role models fuck
Got judged af early years of highschool just insulted back but during later years I simmered down on the asshole ness
So am I doomed to be beta or am alpha man
>Philisophical opinion is autistic
Guess Plato, Aristotle, and Socrates didnt know shit.
not really, go to school / college take up a trade "Electrician" etc, become your own man, and make your future kids alpha, men with a trade are always desired work and relationship wise.
"Look at me, I'm trying to hide my autistic and cringey post by hiding behind proven philosophers."
Good luck kid, don't you have philosophy 101 homework due tomorrow? You should get started on that
From a sexual sadist, it makes you feel superior. Like the other person is helpless. They can't help their selves.
Now, I don't like physical torture such as the image suggests, however, psychological torture (such as white torture) is what I'm into. Of course I'd never do it in real life, but it's just a sense of helplessness.
There are some people who will look you straight in the eyes with a blank expression and ask "Why are you crying?" after you just told them your dog died. And they're honestly wondering why
>People have things I dont
>a lower rank of us
Spotted the White CiS Male.
Millgram experiments. I think that was the second one with shocking of people to the point that they were killed. But it was just an actor and soundclips. People will do terrible things if told to by an authority figure.
Emotianl attachment is regarded as a developed skill by some, I agree with you because ive met such people and I asked them what they cared about and they really loved their Music,Vinyl, So I said Imagine if every song you could play right now could never play again and every vinyl you own only gave off a grey dull hum from the needle, They very swiftly realised my point.
That was the Stanford Experiments.
Yes and yes tbqh desu people are nasty without a set of rules in place. They are feral creatures. Just look at the wasteland tropes
It's not about life not having any value, it's just that humans are way too intelligent for their own good. We think we're the most perfect creatures on the planet because of our our enormous intelligence, but we just like to feed our ego. We're incredibly insecure creatures.
Only done acid once, but my friends paper lamps started to buzz and hum like a wasp hive, I freaked big time.
Just finished it, if we ever get to the point where we can simulate minds on computers, some poor consciousness might have to do through shit like that. Interesting stuff to think about.
I actually heard the little speech am gave in that dudes head, about the writing hate on the millions of miles of printed circuits, sometime before. Always nice figuring out where shit comes from.
It has been a while since I studied them. I may have gotten parts wrong.
I dissagree, Im far from perfect, I mean yeah top of the chain, developed multitudes of tech, But end of the day Being self aware of our inflated ego will always create more questions and answers, as long as each person has questions and time for self development, are we really perfect creatures?
The crazy thing is the guy that wrote the story actually finished it all in one night.
I wouldnt say it was the best thing ive ever read but Christ it was interesting.
Definitly a fan
Ofcoure we dont, which makes us more imperfect and flawd, collision of ideas and ideals creating conflict until we kill other "perfect" creatures.
And so begins the fall and the deadly cycle of ego.
Was leaping through time. At one point I'd be chilling out listening to some podcast and then I'd just be running, like, at some location I wasn't able to identify. Looking back on it, it seems kinda neat. And it may very well be if I were fully aware of my surroundings while it happened. Well... maybe
Lol I took ketamine and had a really small bathroom, walked in as the ketamine hit me.
walls stretched away until the room was huge, put my hands out to feel the huge space.
Fingertip touches the wall, wall rush to me and I think ill be crushed to death.
Came out of k hole huddled in a ball.. pissed myself.. lold.