What martial art(s) actually teach practical self defense? I used to be a mall ninja type and thought krav maga was the shit but after a few years of hearing others opinions I understand that its basically garbage.
I want to cultivate zen in my life and essentially learn something that keeps me fit and healthy, boxing looks fun but I don't associate with that crowd well at all and I'm not looking to fight for competition, but rather spar in the gym on a weekly basis.
I'm 6'4, 195, athleticish build, fuckin white mail.
What does /b/ recommend?
I study Jeet Kune Do, Phillipine Martial Arts and Kyusho-Jitsu
The best one for self defense (robery, armed assault, dissarming) is Phillipine Martial Arts
Jeet Kune Do is for picking up street fights when you cannot break someone's arm or poke their eye out
Kyusho Jitsu is great for taking care of the integrity of the opponent
depends on what you're looking for
>The best one for self defense (robery, armed assault, dissarming) is Phillipine Martial Arts
>Jeet Kune Do is for picking up street fights when you cannot break someone's arm or poke their eye out
>Kyusho Jitsu is great for taking care of the integrity of the opponent
>What martial art(s) actually teach practical self defense?
>What does /b/ recommend?
Never officially studied any martial arts myself but i've been in a lot of fights because I lived in a bad neighborhood most of my life. Had to fight multiple opponents without any "rules" almost every day so I picked up random things over the years. So my anser to your question is 'freestyle' or what ever you want to call it.
I'm extremely flexible and fast but big as fuck and bearmode so I usually can surprise most opponents and beat them up fast. However if the fight goes on too long I can lose stamina faster than some little fuck dancing around me like a faggot and it would give him upper hand for a while before I recover.
All in all find what works for you, there is no "lern only this one thing and win" martial art. Some styles work better with different people.
For example some of my friends like Karate, others Petiki-Tirsia Kali or Taekwondo.
Yeah, it's inevitable that most people start with the memes because that's what is immediately available. Take Anderson Silva for example - he did tkd at one point as a kid, but then moved on to do both boxing and muay thai alongside bjj, I think. To find pure traditional martial arts fighters of the sort you're pretending exists you need to look at the early days of UFC where people who only did say, a form of karate were fighting. They invariably got their asses handed to them.
C'est genius! I couldn't agree more. I very much an in agreement with you.
I uses to practice North Shaolin Kung Fu, the most traditional one, I didn't learn a martial art to actually fight, but it ended up happening.
Almost 16 years into it, I had to drop it out because of an car accident, I almost lost my leg, and I still have knee problem to this day.
If you don't have the time for a real learning go with boxing, I'm not saying boxing isn't hard, it's just faster to learn.
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I'm going to call you out right now. You sound like the type that isn't going to commit to a real martial art, so I'm going to suggest Judo. Most people want to learn a martial art but don't actually put the time and effort into it. Here's my little explanation :
Judo is the best all around martial art if you're only going to study for 2-3 months. Throwing in a fight is your best defence apart from running.
Next in line would be jiujitsu. The rules of jiujitsu are a little better than judo, however, jiujitsu doesn't teach you throwing until you understand the concepts of ground game. (Which are also super important, but maybe after 2-3 months of learning to stand and throw someone, not all fights start on the ground.)
Next you'd go with boxing. Striking should be a last resort. You're most likely not going to knock someone out if it's your first fight. Most people don't understand how fucking weak their punches are ("Oh but I'm a really strong puncher", lol fight me irl) Maui Thai and Karate are not bad disciplines if you want to really get into it, but boxing and kickboxing are your easiest options if you're wanting to learn quick.
If you actually want to learn to fight against a fighter, it's going to take you 3-5 years at least. If you want to fight some random ufc fan on the street after the bar, learn judo, then jiujitsu, then karate/boxing/maui thai.
I second this.
Don't register for competition and you can enjoy sparring, muay thaï sparring is the best, you get to fight with you fists, elbows, knees, you can kick wherever you want, block however you want, throw or swipe your opponent.. And the close combat is so much fun!
It also teaches great values,would recommend 10/10
after all this horseshit over all the martial arts against each other and the invention of UFC it has come full circle and someone who is good a boxing and wrestling beats the dog shit out of everyone else. jiu jitsu is ok.
No shit. It's from a country that is completely surrounded by people who want to wipe them off the face of the earth. Can you think of a culture that is better at self-defense?
I seem to remember that Bruce Lee developed a fighting style that was just the bare essentials without any showy moves at all. My cousin, who worshiped Lee, has it's highest belt. Fucked if I can remember what it's called though
Judo, Hock Hochheim. Seriously. Judo teaches, throws, grapples and a variety of chokes/submissions. Hock Hocheim force necessary focuses on disarming people, using a variety of weapons, improvised or otherwise ad responses in certain situations. You have to stick with it though.
I knew a Hock Hochheim instructor. He has several students, women and men, ho have been in dangerous situations and applied training that saved them.
judo and boxing...
seriously - no nonsense, widely available and cheaper than your average MMA gym... if you want to get into MMA later then the transition to brazilian ju jitsu and thaiboxing should be fairly striahgforwards
some krav maga lessons might be useful but really what you want it regular practice sparing and grappling with live, fully resisting opponents... judo and boxing offer that
antoher good thing is you're not going to get the shit instructors/Mc dojos you get with other arts - firstly neither are current fads and secondly you have to fight/compete
lastly - specifically to judo, if you've got a professional career and you get into a fight outside a bar or something... not some life or death situation just a drunk idiot... you don't want to risk potential police trouble - you'll look far better in court or in the eyes of the law using judo than throwing punches... forgetting the fact that hitting someone with a pavement is far more effective than hitting with your fists and that dumping someone on their head can do serious damage or even kill them the fact you can stand up and say you didn't even throw a punch and only defended yourself is golden if dealing with a cop after the event.
I trained Wing Chun in a "fight" oriented gym, but the lack of actual hard sparring bothered me. I switched to Muay Thai, and then later BJJ which I still do.
In my opinion the easiest way to win a fight is to shoot a decisive doubleleg and just mount them and punch (or grapple, if you know how to). In my experience there is no way krav maga / WC etc will stop a strong double leg. The techniques I learned worked great in practice, but when someone committed wants to take you down they will. Add adrenaline (and or drugs) the chance of stopping it is hard.
Against multiple oponents youre fucked anyway, so why bother training for that?
Me again, shit I forgot my main point. I wanted to say to OP that you shouldnt think you dont "match " with boxing or MMA crowds. I train at the most serious (some UFC fighters etc) in my town, and people are very polite and respectful. I think it is due to sparring being humbling. At least you should not let that opinion deter you from trying any specific art.
>Against multiple oponents youre fucked
I've trained Wing Chun as well, brother, we had a sparring against 3 opponents/attackers, but, as you mentioned, maybe was the lack of sparring at your gym.
Uh, Krav Maga is the Jews' martial art for their military. It's pretty good.
Muay Thai is also pretty popular amongst MMA practitioners, as are Brazilian Jiu Jitsu, Karate, and Judo.
Really, though, the thing I think is the most important about any martial art is to worry about how you're moving and adapting to the people around you.
Martial arts teach you a specific way of doing things, which can always be used but may not necessarily be the best.
Btw, Bruce Lee's martial art is called "Jeet Kune Do," meaning "the Way of the Interrupting Fist." Bruce Lee actually abandoned his own brainchild later in life, claiming that it was too limiting.
I think the gist of what can be gained from studying any martial art is a sense of how to move and how much energy and focus you will be granted in a fight. Lots of gyms have you train physically before they start teaching you the art because that's about how you're going to feel in a real "no rules" fight; you're not going to be at your best.
If you want something for zen, try a Chinese art. They're really focused on the mental/spiritual aspect, so they talk about shit like Chi a lot, but if you ignore that bit you'll gain a good zen from it.
More importantly, though, if you're looking to spar occasionally, a kung fu school might let you spar (or they might do slow-form sparring), karate schools like sparring, and I would assume most of the non-Chinese schools would be pretty into sparring in general. BJJ and Judo are all about sparring; it's hard to learn joint locks if you can't ever use them. And Muay Thai encourages sparring, as well, from what I know about it.
>Sparring three on one
>Everyone using the same martial art
How does this make any sense - your martial art teaches one person how to take on three, but doesn't teach the skills needed for three people to beat up one?
I've done Tae Kwon Do for years. Quick strong attacks meant to end the fight immediately. It's a lot of fun too. As a side note, although I don't have a belt in it, we practice judo as well at our dojo because when a kick to the face can't happen quickly, you can at least get them on the ground and stomp their face.
So did we.. And I don't mean to be dick but if you sparred against 3 opponents and came out with the conclusion you would be safe in that scenario, I dont think you learned much.
I recommend starting with Wing Chun then strengthening your body with Hung Gar.
The important thing is repetition. The point of learning a martial art is to repeat until the movements become reflex. You don't want to be consciously thinking of how you want to attack or defend, you should let your body automatically do that for you through learned reflex.
>Against multiple oponents youre fucked anyway, so why bother training for that?
Yeah go to the ground it's way better than throwing punch
I've never did that assumption. You just need to be prepared for shit, you know. I've had the chance to go to Iran to see their training of Bujinkan Budo Taijutsu, where basically was 6 on 1, shit was cash.
I don't think you understand, but ok. It's not like attackers on the street knows how to fight as well. They didn't act like chimps, if it's What you are thinking. They just try to grab you, punch you like usually happens in a street fight.
I'm curious - if you look at MMA you see boxers, kickbockers, muay thai, a few tkd people, and I think there was at least one guy who relied on some form of karate as his main art, but I've only ever seen one wing chun fighter, and it was that one in >>703120435
Despite this, there seems to be a number of wing chunners in here. I'm curious to know why - what makes you think wing chun is useful when it's not had a practical test in the public eye where it's fared well?
>What martial art(s) actually teach practical self defense? I used to be a mall ninja type and thought krav maga was the shit but after a few years of hearing others opinions I understand that its basically garbage.
>I want to cultivate zen in my life and essentially learn something that keeps me fit and healthy, boxing looks fun but I don't associate with that crowd well at all and I'm not looking to fight for competition, but rather spar in the gym on a weekly basis.
>I'm 6'4, 195, athleticish build, fuckin white mail.
>What does /b/ recommend?
Professional rape mastered is a good martial art especually made for self defense.
>Can you think of a culture that is better at self-defense?
>The United States, because they supply israel with all their weapons
Krav Maga was really only created to take untrained people from utter uselessness to the point where they can almost defend themselves to the point where if they've lost their rifle and sidearm they can at least throw a punch. It was never designed to be a complete martial art - dodgy martial arts instructors have just stapled a load of crap onto it to turn it into one.
It hasn't had a great showing in cage fighting- as a beginner's self defense it's quite useful, employing many short, fast techniques and not requiring a great deal of athleticism to begin learning and practicing
How often will you come across a disciplined martial artist IRL. You'll more likely encounter people who have "learned" from movies or self taught themselves based off what they think looks cool.
That's also why I recommend learning Hung Gar and learning how and when to switch between them during a fight.
One gives you the fluid movements to more readily encircle your opponent and negate their attacks with minimal energy.
The other gives you the more solid body and stance to take a hit and cripple your foes movements.
>martial arts classes is a waste of time. >Just take up boxing.
If you want to challenge yourself try a mix of muay Thai and judo. Move on to Shaio lin and CQC might even entertain yourself with hatchet and knife throwing. There are fighting styles from all over the world and not a single one is god tiered by the next. you have to have strength, dexterity and know how of all fighting styles and be willing to kill an opponent to call yourself a master. as for discipline, that comes with time and repetition. I haven't made belt in years and I'm out of practice but I can assure you that the united states marine corp will teach you how to think, speak, and kill like a machine. I did it and reenlisted in the army. it's push ups and crunches eeerrr day all day. Then off to the range and sparing to teach you how to turn a skull into a wet red mess.
I adhere to the theory that the type of martial art doesn't matter, it's how well you practice is. Ideally you want a mix: a striking form, a grappling form, weapon forms, and defensive forms, but knowing a bunch of martial arts without dedication is basically LARPing.
Hey, calm down, I'm not the one saying that.
>samefagging this hard
I'm not even gonna bother clicking all the other replies.
I did look into that - half of them seem to be concussed most of the time and the fighting is really just sumo in armour. Should get my act together and try the longsword fighting tbh fam
>>703119999 quads! No one even checked this! Faggots
Wow, so many dubs, no Czechoslovakia. I don't think you guys GET how this site works.
Choy Lay Fut kung fu, will be perfect for you is the only exercise that I know who works the physical, the mental, and the emotional, as well as being fully effective for pesoal defense, the style unites the kung fu styles of the North and the South of China, if you want practice prepare to suffer, because it hurts, principally the stretching classes and the horse instance.
>fully effective for pesoal defense
Finally, a way to defend my pesos
>Never officially studied any martial arts myself but i've been in a lot of fights because I lived in a bad neighborhood most of my life
This sentence disqualifies you opinion from being anything other than garbage
Most of what makes kung fu effective can't be used in MMA.
Besides, as the other anon pointed out most people who claim to be proficient in martial arts know just enough to get themselves fucked up.
Real kung fu takes many years of consistent training to be effective. And it matters how you learn it.
Traditional learning is fine, but you have to strap on some gloves, put in a mouthpiece and fight if you want to learn to use it effectively. You have to train your body rigorously. You have to learn all you can from as many legitimate sources as possible and then adapt it to your personal style so that it comes naturally when applied in a fight.
It's not for casual study, not if you plan to fight with it. Mixing in some traditional American boxing doesn't hurt either.
Kickboxing plus some basic judo/wrestling standup/take down defense would be ideal for anything but ring fighting. Never want to hit the ground in a street fight if you can avoid it, too easy to get seriously injured/jumped on the ground. Kickboxers are fucking brutal.
Fucking retard, you do realize that MMA is not actually a style, but describes a place where people of Mixed Marital Arts can duke it out? People that do MMA aren't learning MMA, they're learning Muay Thai, or Aikido, or Kenpo, or Karate or Tai Kwan Do. Just go ahead and KYS and do this world a favor before you further infect it with your stupidity.
>What does /b/ recommend?
How about not getting into a fight in the first place? Acting civilized? Not living in the ghetto? You know, common sense?
We live in a modern society, big muscles and fighting skills are pretty much useless. Unless you are training to become a MMA fighter. Focus your energy on something else.
2000 years ago you may have an argument. This is 2016. We live in a modern society. The size of your wallet is much more important than the size of your muscles.
We are building an army of extraordinary magnitude. We forge our skills in the spirit of our ancestors. You have our gratitude.
You're right, but by and large MMA practitioners end up studying the same things - BJJ, wrestling, and striking that is a combination of boxing and muay thai. This is why people rarely mention styles for MMA fights any more - it's really just about which training camp a fighter belongs to. Don't get me wrong, there's some tkd and karate mixed in, but at its core it's boxing, mt, and bjj.
Has there ever been an aikidorka in MMA?
Not really... The only reason I did not officially study anything is that if I kill or make someone cripple with my fists, the law here states that they won't be classified as weapons. However if it can be proven that I studied martial arts or even boxing, then by the law my fists would be considered as weapons. Then it would give me much bigger sentence.
I have never started a fight myself, I never joined any gang not even under preassure. I have been in situations where a group of people try to mug me, beat me up for fun and stab me. I have had more fractures and sprains that I care to remember but I have always managed to defend my self against the odds. I have always left the fight still standing.
So I don't know what you got against me but you should really try to live in an area where people get raped and killed for nothing. I had to live there as a student and I was not born with rich daddy who could give me money when ever I wanted. I did what I had to and i'm proud of it. I'm white but that does not give me "get out of jail for free card" where I come from.
Go back in your parents garage and be a good boy and study something so you don't have to ever see the violence that I have.
No matter what you choose the best thing to help is repetition.
In a moment of stress (Like a fight) your brain will basically shut off and default to constantly repeated tasks, so the more you practice and get your body to automatically remember the moves the better you will do.
The only way to get around the "brain shutdown" is to constantly put yourself in such situations to train the reaction out of you.
>THE CURRENT YEAR
don't listen to this cuck
OP, at this point it doesn't matter what martial art you choose. A self respecting school will also have self defenses. If you want to learn to box, fuck it! Learn to box! Just also make sure to inquire about any other self defense classes they have there. If they don't have one, find one that does.
I do Tae-Kwon Do and Tai Chi. Fuck all if I'm ever going to do any sort of jump spinning hook in an actual fight, but our dojo has a separate self defense program, so that's where the actual defense is. TKD and Tai Chi I just do because it's fun.
>samefagging this hard
FUck yeah brah, Boxing is FUCKING TITS!!!!!
pleb tier karate guy here
just got my green belt, but they basically give away the belts at the place i'm at but its more about exercising then being able to beat up people
i don't care much for the art side of it but its the only martial arts reasonably close thats not run out of some guys garage
>believing this bullshit
don't be a retard, you get in a fight, you are likely going to get hit at least a few times. Krav Maga isn't magic and the bullshit you see in videos is scripted with trained dummies basically that are there to make it look flawless. You put a guy in actually trying to fight back, it isn't that smooth.
basically this, doesn't matter what martial arts you do your not going to have some movie scripted fight, shit gets dirty really quick when people are desperate and fighting.
martial arts are good for a bit of discipline and exercise and can help out a bit in the first couple of throws in a fight but it just leads back to this statement
Yeah, you keep hearing about, what if he kicks or shoots for a take down or fights dirty, etc.
Point is, you can find a place to just spar easily and never compete. You can get really good sparring competitors, and never go full on balls to the wall like them, cause that shit is a full on second job at that level, except no pay.
You'll be in far better position to win a fight vs most drunks/untrained assholes.
because I saw what my sifu can do when I seriously attack him while sparring. dude sweeps the floor with me. like I can't even touch him, and I've been training for years. the moment we make contact he just folds your arms like fucking origami. as to why wing chun isn't used in MMA, I'd say it's: a) it takes a long fucking time to be really good at. I did judo for 3 years and I could use it no problem, with WC it's took lots longer b) the whole chinese idea of trying to avoid fights and nurturing your spirit, not just your battle prowess and c) probably the most important one is that there is just so much bullshit wing chun out there. like so so so fucking much. it must be all the jackie chan films drawing in retards or sth
Sure whatever you say. You are the shit.
Id honestly look into one of those garages rather than go to a mcdojo like that. I'd rather learn something practice in a shit location rather than learn shit in a nice location.
>I have had more fractures and sprains that I care to remember but I have always managed to defend my self against the odds. I have always left the fight still standing.
>Go back in your parents garage and be a good boy and study something so you don't have to ever see the violence that I have.
I think the most practical would be training at an MMA gym. If you commit, give it your all, you will become decent at fighting and after a while everything becomes second nature to you.
But the best way to get better at fighting, is to actually fight.
and thats the difference, if was looking to hardcore study a martial arts and go on a pilgrimage to beat up the legendary ninja Jubei pachinko i'd consider it
I'd rather have some fun while learning and exercising then knowing the art perfectly. i'm 30, i don't go clubbing and shit any more looking for fights with ma boi's bro
No way dude he needs to spend like, 15 years studying wing chun. If it was good enough for Bruce Lee to drop after a few years, it's good enough for OP to dedicate his life to it!