>always though beheading couldn't get any worse
>see this pic
Why did he have to shove his fingers so deep into his eye sockets? You can see one half way down his cheek for fuck sake.
Why did the cia andthe west go tinkering with middle eastern countries post WW2? And why did the british?
This guy is right. Problem is we cannot know true and objective moral.
Also yes, I'd kill someone to save a family member, in a legitimate defense, or just war context. And that would be morally correct.
Are you fucking stupid? That's not a panda or a fucking truck. You're probably a fucking american hick who'll vote trump, you people are so fucking educated you should just fucking kill yourself, it's a fuckinf audi and a possom you stupid nigger.
this. we only cooperate with each other because it makes it easier to have a society and live in houses instead of fighting with rocks over pieces of raw ungulate. we're capable of cooperating most of the time because we evolved to be smart and social. we got this far because the influence of our cooperation exceeds the influence of our competition. at least it does right now.
Why do you do this to me so?
Dehumanizing other people is exactly what these murderous retards are doing.
You are no different than they are
You have your answer
I have ONE thing to say, one, and ONLY one.
As long as people can find something to fight over, they WILL fight over it, if there's nothing to fight over, they'll FIND or make up something to fight over.
Conflict is nature.
We are not dehumanizing them, for any strand of humanity still in them has left completely once they have forsaken morality by committing such abysmal acts.
Hate is a powerful tool if directed, and sometimes hate is necessary to allow good to triumph
There's no such thing as "evil", just human nature.
Society likes to label people as evil because that's how society distances itself from a fellow human being's actions, making out that they couldn't possibly be capable of similar deeds, and that the devil clearly made them do it. You only have to look in a history book to realise that most people are capable, they just need to have the right buttons pressed in the right sequence.
>they just need to have the right buttons pressed in the right sequence
This, for if you look in your heart you know it to be true
>Would you kill someone to save a family member?
Fuck yeah! I would go full on Pablo Escobar on anything that threatens them if I had to
If you want to know about good and evil, you can only look within yourself
You will never have the knowledge of another person needed to determine if they are good or evil, you can only know yourself.
>so don't let anyone tell you they know you
>if I had to
there's the subjectivity sneaking in
Depending on what you consider "having to" murder someone else for, you could either be a total psycopath or a regular guy.
Given the "Fuck yeah!," I'm inclined to think you're the kind of psycopath just waiting for an excuse to be violent.
We're all just psychopaths waiting for our excuse
>Humans don't need to accept consequences for their actions
Not a straw-man, know what your talking about before speaking, /pol/ would be ashamed.
>People are evil because people are free.
>Also people is good because are free.
>Same cause, different effects. The problem is choice.
What if the evil part is cultivated from childhood, as in teaching a child it's okay to hate and that some people really aren't human because they are not moslem?
If someone is a threat to your family's safety you will unleash the beast within (even the most beta/weak have it maybe)..It's something nature gave us to ensure our survival. In "it's you or me" situations people change instantly.
>forsaken morality by committing such abysmal acts.
>we're not dehumanizing them, they did it themselves! Now you are just lying
So they didn't show that they have no morality by gouging someones eyes while cutting his head off with a dull blade?
Why am I such a fucking failure?
Why doesn't she love me?
Why do I keep fucking up?
What did I do wrong?
>You are no different than they are if you do this argument
Logical fallacy, argument invalid
Then you create a habit, and habits help in the action of choosing.
If you do it from childhood, the only difference is it will be harder to loose it when the kid gets older.
But, even if you conditionate a child to make evil choices, he is still free to see through that evilness. It will be harder, but not impossible.
Every human being feels reject when killing someone or seeing someone being killed. They feel, not know, that is bad. Knowing comes secondly. As a greek classical thinker said: Everyone has "an interior pedagogue". That's part of an internal sense. The same sense that makes an infant sheep run away from the wolf, even if it's the first one it saw.
>If you think someone is no longer human because you disagree with their acts, you are every bit the monster you accuse others of being.
I disagree with child rape, and I think child rapers are monsters.
Nothing wrong with that
But if you use your moral outrage to justify not treating them like a human, you are still evil yourself.
No amount of outrage excuses an evil act, otherwise these Muslims might be justified the same way you think you would be.
>You are super dumb
Ad-Hominem, logical fallacy
>Thumbnail is pointless
I admit it is too small, but you should know them anyways
>Dehumanizing humans is evil
As is raping children, torturing innocents, mass murdering innocents, and following an ideology that supports mass slaughter.
Your arguments have merit and you are using pathos as an argument
Koran is an example of a bad habit being written and teached to a certain population, but it does not, in itself, make people evil. A koran reader can make choices for the good and justice since start, or missinterpretate the text, choose evil acts, and reinterpretate later.
That being said, koran is not an evil creator. Again, the problem is choice.
why should I bother?
It's a pointless nonissue and I don't care about your opinion.
People love violence, it's in their nature, as much as it sucks, those instincts are so deeply ingrained, it's what'll lead to the end of humanity. People get bigger and bigger weapons because of technological advances, and then we just kill each other. Violence is part of nature as well. People always have, and always will try to kill each other. I'll openly admit, I love seeing a boxing match wear the opponents beat each other's brains straight into a Parkinson's infested mush. I know it's wrong, and it feels so wrong, but it also feels so damn good.
Are you talking about Islam or Christianity?
I legitimately cannot tell.
>koran is not an evil creator.
it is actually.
The koran has a few good things in it yes, but allah invented abrogation. When allah says something monday, and tuesday says something that contradicts monday, then the tuesday word is the last word.
Allah causes the thing said previously to be forgotten.
For example, Monday, there is no compelling in relegion.
Tuesday, whoever changes his relegion, kill him.
Tuesday wins and you are a sinner in direct conflict with God if you choose Monday's words.
So as for creating evil Id say checkity-check.
> I think I am right
> I don't care about your opinion, only that you know I am right
Then why reply in this thread, to me of all people in the first please. You must be some triggered non human.
Can be said for both, but Islam is worse.
for the moment, and only because the Christians have all the money
everything goes in cycles though, I'm sure Christians will be the terrorists of the planet again at some point.
> ad hominem
> you told me no, so everybody knows you are right, and I myself have changed my opinion
Buddy if this Is how you operate I don't even want to hear you argue your opinions.
Koran is not an evil creator since it just information. An absolute state like "koran is an evil creator" is not logically followed by effects in reality, since you can check koran students that do evil and other that do good.
I insist, the problem is choice. There is people that read koran and kill others, as there is people that read koran and save others. Same with the bible, and any other testament. If you reduce the problem to an object in the middle of the case, you cannot distinguish between the start and the end. Literal interpretation does not mean fisical containment, the same way that love to poverty does not mean destruction of wealth.
what have I done if you are talking about war crimes in history yes bad shit happened people of all races do horrible shit to each-other the 6 trillion happened what dose this have to do with mudslimes killing people today read the quran they are savages
Dingdingding this guy is correct. Go read some voltaire. You can not consider yourself moral if you dehuminize them for their actions. Are they a awful human? Yes, bit they still should be treated as a human. Ie: crual and unusual punishment is always that no matter what crime they commited.
Who the fuck are you talking to, and changing his opinion, the fuck do you mean by that?
How about you come back to discuss after you take some English classes
Good point anon. People love to say that christianity is just as bad, however that begs a question; How come there are moslems?
Why didn't the vicious and bloodthirsty killing machine christians keep the crusades going until every last moslem was dead or converted, just like the moslems did in afghanistan with the Buddhists?
Real Christians won't.
Unlike Islam, Christianity isn't about violence and taking over the world by force.
Christianity has to be hijacked and perverted by big political/religious institutions to get Christians who don't actually follow scripture anyway to commit atrocities in the name of Jesus.
With Islam it's the people who aren't really into the Koran and all that who are peaceful.
Islamic fundamentalist = beheading people
Christian fundamentalist = just letting people behead you because this life is just temporary crap anyway.
It did at one point, though
In fact, they were systematically torturing people to death that DID believe in Jesus, just not the "right way."
There is absolutely nothing to make me believe it couldn't happen again relatively soon.
You mean normal evil? lawful evil? chaotic evil? Accidental evil?
There's plenty to choose from.
Normal evil occurs mostly because scarcity of resources and opportunities.
It's in our nature to fight for survival, and if we have the opportunity we'll seize everything.
You can count prety much anything as a resource, you should find that people start to do evil things as soon as they feel neglected and have the opportunity to exploit. You can't even provide everyone with everything. It's one of those hunger grows while you're eating -kind of things.
Lawful evil occurs because of priorization and cult alike belief. Say, sharia law enforcers, intelligence service agents, green berets, law enforcement, etc. They're all so different, yet they all know they're right and everybody else is wrong.
Chaotic evil occurs because of long term or very intensive neglect of a person. Most serial killers have been molested as a child. Most school shooters have been bullied and left without attention of the opposite sex.
These people do evil things because they feel like the world owes them. The feeling is so strong that getting your way creates a rush.
So... say, a rapist who has raped countless times is basically a junkie. There are chemicals in his brain which are released and which create euphoria. And when he doesn't rape he's going to get twitchy. Same thing with serial killers.
>since you can check koran students that do evil and other that do good.
The difference is that the students who do the evil are not evil by koran standards. In fact their behavior is acceptable, wheras the behavior of the non killer moslem may well be unacceptable. Do not cry for peace when you should be uppermost. He who meets allah without the mark of jihad meets him with a defect. I am commanded by my god to fight the unbeliever. etc.
You think im the
>dumb fucks like you
quit trying to look for ways at every turn to assault a persons character, as that now seems to be the only card you have left to play.
They weren't strong enough to do it.
They tried MULTIPLE times, but failed every time.
Fuck, Christians wanted to kill EACH OTHER for hundreds of years, Europe was pretty much a shithole.
Reading koran and checking koran standards does not eliminate human and moral standards. A koran student killing someone feels he is doing wrong, not be koran standards but by human standards, and that cannot be deleted or reprogrammed. Koran did not made him evil, his choice did, since koran study is a habit, but morals stay the same, it just becomes harder to make the right choice.
You haven't presented an argument in your last 2 posts at all and have only "pointed out" classical uses to back away and argument by the Dumb fuck poster
I can understand when there is a glaring issue like with that post but I am still question what the fuck
>you told me no, so everybody knows you are right, and I myself have changed my opinion
When will you realize He's not an old man.
He's not a man, He's a completely alien being none of creation really understands. The entire universe is a fish tank to Him including the angels and all that.
People can accept some advanced beyond our comprehension alien overlords seeding the planet and whatever pretty easily, but they think of God as some old guy in the sky with fat babies flying around him because nobody listened to His command about not making images of Him or other-dimensional beings that would portray a stupid false image of how things really are.
The bible has freaking flying saucers in it and powerful tyrannical rouge aliens coming down, which every ancient culture has some nearly identical story about, that and some great flood.
Hating someone is like swallowing poison out of spite, you're only hurting yourself anon.
My hate for Musshits doesn't hurt me in the slightest, it just gives me a drive
It was in response to dumbfuckguy. I asked you, I assume , why you are posting in this thread and dumbguy responded with
> to keep dumbfucks like you from spreading bullshit
So I said
> you told me no, so everybody thinks you are right, and I myself have changed my opinion
I said this, assuming you were both the same because it was more convinient.
Thanks anon. Although, the sad part is, my argument has no point. Since free will is a faculty, and choice is empty on itself, and only when choosing it becomes filled with purpose and free will activates.
Sad part is, that problem is choice, but choice has no content until being choosen. Then, good and evil problem will never be solved, ever. We will keep having both choices. And will go through history using different objects to justify them, like koran or bible. But they are still empty.
No, I would just kill myself without it, it gives meaning to my life
The root of all evil is language. The development of language is what sets humans apart from all other species in the world because it allows the ability to rationalize unnatural behaviors.
Ideas like entitlement, ownership, and other political/philosophical ideas don't naturally exist.
Most of the horrific shit "Christians" did was specifically the catholic church, which rose during a time of illiteracy and they sought to keep it that way with "well we're the keepers of the holy scriptures which some average bum can't understand anyway" but even that goes directly against the scriptures they didn't want the average person reading.
Which says you don't need anyone to teach you their version of things, even the stupidest people can understand and many really smart people will have a harder time with it because you'll wind up with questions that that aren't going to be answered yet, and nobody stands between you and God but Christ.
Religion stands between God and man and leads people away from God. Religion is what Jesus attacked while He was here, He didn't attack all the whores and homos and drunken failures, He went after what was the church at the time because they had gone off on their own tangent and until they were doing Satan's will not God's, which is what happens with religion.
I do, humor makes me feel happy, and then I realize that most of my humor is obscenely deranged to the point of insanity.
That's the price you pay when you've been on this site for this long.
I still enjoy normie humor, but the fact that I can laugh at laugh at 9/11 with no tinge of sadness in me makes me feel as though there is something wrong with me.
Of course in the end I don't care, it's not like it changes me in any way
>I can shut down my emotions
that's nothing special, I'd mastered it long before coming on 4chan.
There's nothing wrong with you, you just have to find the bravery to stop ignoring your own feelings.
We attack you now and have been attacking you because of the past 100 years.
Muslims started it you twat. they started to pillage villages and expand in europe asia and africa.
You had your ass kicked, cried about and attacked again with the motivation that you got punished for your ill deeds.
Muslims invented the victim card
I don't ignore my feeling (Although im not quite sure what you specifically meant by that) and I understand that I am fully functional like this.
In the end I think that there are always people like this and that they serve a purpose in this world.
if you are in britain you cant even buy butter knives anymore, they still have muslims killing ppl
Same here. Gore videos and the like aren't humorous at all to me and I've been here about as long as that.
I was in 8th grade when my class was watching 9/11 unfold on live television and everyone in my class scowled at me for laughing hysterically when the tower collapsed. At the time, I didn't think that there were people still inside. Everyone was gasping at the event. Recollecting the event now gives me momentary sadness, but it is admittedly very temporary.
Whether you realize it or not, you do have unconscious emotional responses to all sorts of shit.
You CAN live your life denying that, isolating your unconsciousness and only being aware of the consciousness you've crafted for yourself. But that's a shitty fucking life, nobody should be too afraid to examine their own unconscious mind.
Imad ad-Din al-Isfahani, Saladin's chronicler, goes into lengthy and bizarre descriptions of the Frankish women taken captive from Jerusalem. I half-expected him to begin with "Dear Penthouse, I never thought it would happen to me..."
Women and children together totalled 8,000, and were quickly divided up amongst us, bringing smiles to Muslim faces at their lamentations. How many well-guarded women were profaned, how many queens were ruled, and nubile girls married, and noble women given away, and miserly women forced to give themselves, and women who'd been kept hidden stripped of their modesty, and proud women made ridiculous... precious women used for hard work, and pretty things put to the test, and virgins dishonored and proud women deflowered... untamed ones tamed, and happy ones made to weep!
Thegood old christians do it to muslim blame game.
The actual event happening. One of the teachers had a TV set up in a classroom and invited some of the rest of the other classes on the same floor to witness what was going on.
Killing is like killing the whole of humanity
Blaspheme is worse then massacre
I still understand the emotional responses that I have, I still cringe at some gore especially eye things, and I still feel emotion like a normal person.
I can just also joke about skinning a baby and putting on your dick as foreskin, all humor of course, I would kill a fuck if he actually did that.
Damn, these are the kind of stories they don't talk about when they say "Everyone remembers hat they did during 9/11"
God doesn't exist. He is an artificial creation used to manipulate people into doing things. Nothing more then a set of metaphor's
What you're getting at is the philosophy that there is a right and wrong. Who determines what is right and what is wrong? To be honest we are merely adhering to the law of each individual culture/society/nation we live in. We're lazy and it makes things easier.
Whose to say it would not be easier to simply let the smartest/strongest/etc among us make all of the decisions so all of the inbred fuckwits didn't slow our species down? Why did the majority(you stupid people out there) get a say in our species while in others they don't?
Nature by Nature(no pun intended) is what most people would deem "evil" Welcome to biology.
You do know Sadism exists you dumb fuck what kind of land of rainbows and lollipops did you come from?
>calls Christians terrorist because of the crusades.
The crusades were there because muslims were raiding the holy lands , were as Christians let the muslims and jews worship the muslims kill every non muslim male and rape all the females.
The whole middle east dropped 10 points in iq and are all tan because Christians didn't massacred any one with out reason.
They're all equally stupid, Muslims are just stupid and DESPERATE, that's the only difference.
Offcourse you would say the quran is good you are a muslim, you think it is normal.
>because of the Crusades
there's plenty of reasons and I never mentioned the Crusades, but yes, they were incredibly evil.
>Children's Crusade FOR GOD!
KEK, Christians truly are like lambs to the slaughter.
Yeah the term "every" in your statements makes you have zero credibility.
Society, bro. Fuck wits wonder why I plan to be a hermit.
Depends how you define violence. Cultures are vastly unique in how they philosophically view everything. Giant culture's like America, or the EU, or even religious Cultures such as Christianity and Islam all share at least one trait: Controlling(or attempting to . . .) how those who practice them/within them think/act.
> Yeah the term "every" in your statements makes you have zero credibility.
You do realize using "zero" to criticize "every" is quite idiotic, don't you?
But, I'll play along. Every human being, with exceptions (like someone phisically affected to feel that reject, such as a psycopath or squizophrenic).
Thank you for the idea, truly a pillar of the community
Sure. Not too deeply because I've had way too long of a day.. but pretty much think of what the objective of Nature is. To produce and prosper. In order to produce and prosper you must consume a limited resource(at take something away) in order to grow. You can not get something from nothing. A basic example could be any mammal. They eat(destroy) and shit, which then something else come's along and eats(destroys) the shit. And the cycle goes on and on. Biology is fucked up, but I love it.
Their beliefs make them do it.
You'd be surprised how much power your beliefs have over you.
If you beleieved you had to kill like that to get into heaven and your god approves and your culture and friends bring you into it..... You'd be surprised how easy it is for them to kill
No. Zero is a number relative to the credibility the person has earned. It is literally means they have zero, or no, credibility. "every" implies infinite. An argument based off of such word's cause said argument to lose credence in the reader's mind.
Know your audience, young juan.
we used to exterminate tribes that conducted themselves this way. To the man.
We simply eradicated them. Anyone who refused to come to the table and meet as men received the treatment of rabid animals.
It's time to stop coddling them. They are weak peoples and they foster a corrupt and unrighteous lifestyle which denegrates their mothers, makes cowards of their fathers, and slaves of themselves to an empty dogma.
Because protecting ppl from raiders that murder and rob is bad.
>you must be a muslim
Children crusade was a couple kids who wanted to convert muslims, peacefully.
The muslims sold them in to slavery.
I had a friend who turned from agnostic to Catholic. Everything he did from that point forward was like to earn "god points" like they were Air Miles. He donated much to charity and other actions of good conduct but told me at one point that it was to "reserve a seat in heaven".
He would often lecture me on the meaning of life and how he felt a deep connection with God. While good and not evil in the least, I despised how selfish his motivations were. He acted in God's name but it was not for God's sake.
I really want to kill myself because of this shit.
They didn't invade shit, some monks walking to the holy lands got killed by you fucks.
We took offense and set up some castles here and there to stop roaming gangs from murdering them.
Further more you were taking slaves from europe before this even happened
You are using acts of nature to argument about moral. That's not useful. A creature eating another creature to live is not morally questionable, because it's purpose is self-perfection by prudence. But a creature killing another creature for pleasure does not follow it's purpose nor acts with prudence, therefore, is morally questionable.
Also remember there is no moral on brutes.
Zero and Every are used, in this context, as adjectives to describe absolutism. Using an absolutism to criticize another absolutism is a fallacy.
>Know your audience, young juan.
Please don't do this, just use pure reasoning.
>Why are people so evil?
Kek, because of the darkness, the darkness in the environmental generate the darkness of the social corruption and consequently the darkness of the heart, but this is not something for someone who grew up in a first world country understand you have to see with your own eyes to understand, you have to see the hunger, the disease, the pain, and the death.
If you see, you will feel the absolute fear, you will feel your heart beat like you never saw before, you will be forever thankful simply for not be you the one who is feeling that pain, your innocence will die and the world and the mankind will never be the same for you.
You will never trust in anyone anymore, because you will know what they are truly able to do, Life is so precious but at the same time is so easy break someone. People are able to do anything for their well-being.
I was an animal before understand those things, so innocent i was.
Sorry, I got to go. But I'll tell you this before I go: Biology explains a partial aspect of existence. If you wan't to talk about good and evil, you cannot do so from that perspective. You got to use the mother of all sciences: Philosophy.
Until next time.