Anons who live in free countries that trust you enough to let you defend yourself... what do you carry daily? Pic related for me. I know it's kinda large for CCW but it fits my hand and I shoot it well.
Britfags need not enter. Strap on your government-issued safety helmets and return to your padded rooms. Walk, don't run.
Put an Apex Flat face trigger on that PPQ. As much as I love mine (I have 3 of them, 4" 9mm, 5" 9mm, and the .45) the apex trigger improves the guns considerably.
I carry the 4" in 9mm as my EDC.
>pays for it with tax dollars
Kill yourself you fucking retard.
In America if you aren't a degenerate nigger health care is easily affordable and you don't have waiting lines. You pay for what you want and not for what you don't want.
CC my glock 26 and the AR pistol in .300blk is my trunk gun.
I dunno, pretty naive tbh. If I were a robber/rapist I would go straight for cushy suburbs to prey on people who think their life is so secure that they don't need to own a gun. Easy pickings if you ask me.
the US ranks 19th out of 19 countries evaluated on preventing deaths that are amenable to adequate health care, an excellent measure of the overall performance of a country’s health care system.
So... the worst healthcare system of the major developed countries.
Australians pay 1% tax for free healthcare.
average wage of $50,000/annum.
And what does your private health insurance cost?
uhh im just starting to get into gun ownership and i was wondering.. what kind of unnecessary assault rifle would i use if i wanted to school up a local middle school? and what would make a good side arm for shooting myself once ive completed this job?
Sccy 9mm. Keltec clone. Killer warranty. I bought my first one private party, never registered it. Got it stolen from my car, company sent me this one no charge. Never had a failure from it
That's why my house has an alarm, a fence, protected windows, and I have 5 dogs. Oh and a cop is always patrolling the neighbourhood since the idiots that don't even have an alarm got robbed
>were failures in life and can't pay our bills
>productive people should pay them for us
>cool, now there is no need to be productive
No thanks. I'll keep looking out for my best interests.
Oh, did I forget to mention that I work full-time? And still can't afford medical? I know that's an alien concept to your privileged ass, but please try to use some imagination.
Again, fuck you.
>Anons who live in free countries that trust you enough to let you defend yourself
anons who live in third world violent hellholes
>OP has normalised his extreme existence, like all niggers in the third world must
if you ever come and visit the first world, you won't need weapons fag, just money
>this will trigger amerifats who don't realise they live in the third world
Glock 17TB Gen 4 with 33rd magazine. Why you ask? Because I live in TX and I'm legally allowed to conceal carry on my school campus. Not dying at school, ever.
So some poor chain smokers get "free" cancer treatment in shitty socialist healthcare facilities. "Wow look at this preventable death we prevented. According to our study here that means we have better healthcare."
Nah, everyone knows that healthcare quality in the US is the best in the world. That's why rich people always travel here for treatment. Go find me a "study" that isn't based around accessibility and then we'll talk.
That doesn't happen in America unless you live in a shithole or brought the situation on yourself. and why aren't you just as afraid of a pack of white guys jumping you, you cuck?
7 thugs trying to bust down my door
Only 15+1 and they had body armor so I put it down when I realized the chances of getting shot back at over 50k wasnt worth it.
Had my gun within seconds of waking up, had I had to have gone to a fucking safe I wouldnt have had time to identify my assailents and drop it, so there's that bullshit too.
>I have an alarm, 5 dogs, and a security patrol
>you're the paranoid one for carrying a gun
Do you bring all that shit with you when you leave the house? What happens if someone with a gun kicks down your door? Will the five dogs save you? Even a simple revolver holds 6 bullets.
Hate to break it to you, but you're not poor because everyone else is privileged. You're poor because you're a failure.
I used to be poor myself. As in air mattress on the floor, pawning all my shit, bouncing checks, getting my bank account taken away poor. My "privilege" didn't fix that... hard work and smart decisions did.
a 36" crowbar and a two pound claw hammer.
as long as i'm wearing my tool belt with my pliers and screwdrivers on it, no one ever says anything about the murder weapons on the back of my belt. In the grocery store, the mall, the bank, everywhere I go.
Well, with 500 homicides in Chicago since January, I think it's becoming, fairly obvious that people might need to defend themselves, now and then. Maybe its geographic, but why criticize someone who does live in these fucked up areas? Common sense.
"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." Checkmate commies
My hometown is being overrun by detroit. Heroin is everywhere. Attempted carjackings, shootouts every weekend (ALWAYS from Michigan natives)
You'd be stupid not to carry around here. Stupid and dead
Depending on the season/weather/clothing: Glock 19, Glock 43, Glock 42.
I always carry a Smith and Wesson 637 38 special on my ankle, and 90% of the time also carry an HK VP9. The wheel gun I wear on ankle regardless of the place or law.
>"I basically live in a fortress with several layers of protection only missing a moat filled with crocodiles"
>"lol people who own guns are paranoid"
I'm laughing at you right now because of how desperately hard youre reaching.
I don't make much more than minimum wage, yet I see my doctor regularly. Stop crying about your shitty money management and blaming it on others.
What happens if someone with a gun kicks down your door?
Bolivians can't think of a plan to do it with their -70 IQ
And in the 12 years I have lived here, nothing ever happened
That's basic security, do you leave your house with the doors opened or what?
>quotes shit from the 1700s
guy. youre completely retarded. guns are the most pussy thing on the planet.
militaries should have them sure, but nobody needs them in civilization. we should keep them out of the hands of criminals first of all, then cowards like you wont need them.
>having a full time job means your rich
Also you can medical treatment when you need it... your credit is fucked though. That's the price you pay for being a worthless drain on society.
I'll gladly turn my guns in once you remove them from the hands of every criminal and potential criminal.
>do you leave your house with the doors opened or what?
When you leave your house do you bring your alarm, five dogs, fence, and protected windows with you? Or are you one of those "real men use their fists" type?
At work so I can't take an actual pic of my peice. Beretta 40 cal, only hadbto use it only once and it scared the shit out of the burglar and my neighbors.
Didnt even have to call the cops, 5 other people did.
I'm sensing you're a nigger AND a faggot!
>uses bigotry in a non-ironic manner
Can't wait for the damage control "haha I was just baiting" post.
Yeah, that's how it totally works. You just walk in to a store and say "gun" and someone hands you one for free with zero prerequisites.
>this is what britbongs actually think
seems to work well in the u.k.; or do i need to pull up gun related death stats from across the pond?
and while youre not totally wrong about prohibition not working. ITS NOT LIKE WHEN YOU HEAR ABOUT CRIMINALS WITH GUNS ON THE NEWS YOU RUN OUT INTO THE STREET WITH YOUR NEIGHBORS WITH ALL YOUR GUNS LIKE "LETS GO GET EM FELLAS!"
youre not a militia and have never been apart of one. even if youre in a group like the nra and lie to yourself like you are, youve never went out with the intent to stop crime. you call the police just like everyone else. so if guns were to be had because it was necessary to stop crime it should still be restricted to the proper authorities.
It says a well-regulated militia is necessary for a free state. That means something to check the power of government.
"The right to..." is meant provide the conditions for which a militia can exist. You cannot have a militia unless you have armed citizens, therefore citizens must have the right to be armed. Since it is meant to be a check on government power this militia must not be of the government i.e. the national guard is not the militia.
Just saying it. Guess it could be relevant
>Some straight A girl who moved their 6 months ago shoots fellow student
>Does an hero afterwards
>Apparently she was not very social
>Some cop friendly fire happens for whatever reason
>False bomb threats happen
Pretty much the weakest but most stupid school shooting I have heard of.
And how the fuck did a homeland security agent get friendly fired by a U.S. Marshall? Are they fucking stupid?!
I'm not saying I'm in a militia you autistic cunt. I'm saying that I have the federal right to own a firearm should I want to, and should I pass the background check. I personally own one, in the very very small chance that I may need it to defend my life.
Now explain to me how removing the legal process for acquiring guns will stop all the criminals from obtaining them.
Hey guis check out my sniper rifle
It applies to the militia, not the right to bear arms. You can't have armies roaming around the nation, but you need to have citizens capable of taking up arms to keep the government from running amok.
Also people like to misconstrue what well-regulated meant at the time it was written. It doesnt mean heavily regulated, it means in proper working order. If your rifle cycles easily and is accurate, it would be considered well regulated back then.
Dude, if something ever happens, I'll let you know.
So let's imagine I'm getting robbed, the guy has a gun. Am I supposed to pull out my preffered self defense weapon and attack? Do you think the guy will freeze and run away? For god's sake
30k is high but you would need at least 15-20k for a true "assault rifle" and a class 3 license for full auto, which means $200 tax stamp.
>>703092971 Why don't you just get a regular rifle instead? The keltec plr-16 is a pistol that shoots the same ammunition as most rifles just buy one of those and skip right ahead to shooting yourself
Because the odds of white guys jumping you is 35X less than a pack of niggers.
Why? Why post that and say that? Seriously. It's well known that there are 30000 gun deaths and AT LEAST 100k defensive uses with better estimates putting the range from 200k-2M-3M. With that many defensive uses and that many deaths why would you need a source on the low rate of shots fired?
Actually the Supreme Court ruled that every fighting age male US citizen is the "militia" and the second part that says the right of "the people" to bear arms, "the people" literally means every US citizen
I own a gun, I don't love them. But if you think it's pussy of me to own a gun in the very very small chance I may need it, then I couldn't really care less. I value my life and my rights and my choices. Your shitty opinions can't change any of that, so stay buttblasted friendo. :)
>if guns were to be had because it was necessary to stop crime it should still be restricted to the proper authorities.
This is a police-state.
Many of these fall under fascist governments.
It is likely that you think your specific version of fascism would work, but I assure you it would not.
Enjoy your straw-friends; I made one just for you.
>Maybe if you had free healthcare and free education
We do really. If you are employed, then your employer provides healthcare. If you are poor, then the government provides your healthcare. And the government provides education all the way through high school. And if you put in the work, i.e. earn it, you can easily rack up many scholarships and get through college for free. There's even more opportunities for that if you are a minority. Get mad.
No dipshit. You give him your wallet and phone. If your life is actually threatened and you feel strongly that he's going to kill or maim you, then you quickly pull out your gun (that he doesn't know you're carrying) and dump the mag into his chest.
You would die if you did nothing, so at least you have a chance to live even if he shoots you as well.
no. private sales are allowed and you dont have to register your guns
hardly any gun owners have assault rifles you fucking mogoloid.
yes im typing this with one hand as i pleasure myself to this manifestation of my freedom.
>So let's imagine I'm getting robbed, the guy has a gun. Am I supposed to pull out my preferred self defense weapon and attack? Do you think the guy will freeze and run away? For god's sake
Depends on the situation. Are we talking a burglarizing of your house? Out in the streets and a guy approaches you only with gun drawn?
If the first: It's your house and you know it well. If he isn't in your room you have the ability to use your knowledge of your house and the element of surprise to your advantage and shoot the robber.
If the second: You do whatever you think will work. I've seen people try to hand their wallets to the person and drop it and when the robber tries to bend down to pick it up they draw on them and blast them. I've seen situations where there are multiple people being robbed at the same time so as soon as they fixate on another person you draw and shoot. You could just hand over your shit and hope he doesn't shoot you and when he gets ready to haul ass pull our your piece and go.
Ruger LCP with Hornady 90 Grain XTP jacketed hollow point. Smaller than my dick but my grouping is tight and fast at 30 feet and less and I'm pretty confident with it.
Because it's a claim, and while I am VERY pro-gun I don't believe in making unsubstantiated claims.. especially ones I agree with.
What's your plan for if you are robbed or someone breaks into your house - shit your pants? Give up? Try to talk them out of killing you by telling them you're an Obama voter and are on their side? Good luck. I have a gun just in case.
This so much.
I never understood why people think you should get a free ride to college when your highschool GPA is 1.8 and your ACT is under 20. Why? So you can go get a psychology degree and go back to your job at Walmart?
I can be out, on target, and first shot fired in less than half a second. If you blink you'd miss it. Any carrier that takes training seriously can do this easily. And they want my wallet right? My gun is sight there above it at 4oclock IWB.
define racism, then maybe we'll talk
The US is a big place.
In my state there are panthers and bears.
Or maybe I should fight them with a knife because we're all fucking Rambo over here, right?
Nah, i'll stick to weapons from this century because i'm not a fucking child who can only be trusted with a wedge-shaped object as long as it's traveling under a few hundred feet per second.
>30k is high but you would need at least 15-20k for a true "assault rifle" and a class 3 license for full auto, which means $200 tax stamp.
Meanwhile, anyone with a reasonable grasp of chemistry can walk into a grocery store, spend less than $100, and drop a two story building full of people.
Assault rifles will not protect you from the government. You've lost that fight already. It wouldn't even protect you from the Dallas bomb squad robot let alone drone strikes, missiles, bombers, etc.
If you want to commit premeditated murder, you're better off blowing them up than shooting them. Less chance of resuscitation, less margin for error, no need to be anywhere near your victim when it goes off.
A stockpile of guns and ammunition is just more loot for thieves to steal if you're not home to defend it, and you can't be home all the time.
Guns protect you from *stupid* criminals, but not good ones, and let you *think* you have a chance against the government when you really don't. Want true strength? Learn chemistry.
It really has nothing to do with either, it has to do with overpopulation, and people who want your shit. This is how you get separated out and killed off. Relying on the fallacy that everyone is good deep down, that we can talk it out. Some people just don't give a fuck. That's a fact. They'll shoot you for the hat on your head. And walk away smiling.
>think people forgot that part
they are talking about keeping stocked up on ammunition and supplies not having the government break down your door if you get prescribed anti-depressants once.
I do believe that. Taking a precaution to protect yourself is the same, whether it's locking your door or owning a firearm.
But keep calling my stupid without any actual argument, that'll sure show me.
>Jacking with my FREE hand
same here friendo
>It wouldn't even protect you from the Dallas bomb squad robot
Pretty sure he wasn't using a real gun chambered in something that wasn't
>designed to wound
Some xm855 might have done better at least.
You really think a scumfuck criminal had a personal lawyer? Even if he doesn't, you think a state appointed lawyer who works for a living is really gonna try and defend some scumfuck thief in court? Kekking audibly
Answer a subjective opinion? Wtf do you want me to say.
Here, I'll wait for you to justify your naivety without using buzzwords or personal attacks.
Go on, prove to me why you're okay with being so naive. Prove it right now.
Canada fag here
I carry an SKS due tue the fact of living on a farm where there is hunting ground I never leave my house without my SKS or browning 22 semi auto, with stinger shots.
Fuck y'all. Here it is.
It's not just my opinion. It's the opinion of the vast majority of professionals and safety instructors as well.
Shit you're entitled to look down the front of loaded barrel to check for obstructions... but most would agree that it's fucking retarded.
Law student here, depends on the state. Some states you'll absolutely go to jail, some you most likely won't see the inside of a court room.
Glad that we have 4chan experts on American laws to make sweeping generalizations about the whole country's gun laws though.
>you can enforce a police state with a tank
You are a retarded libcuck.
>when my amazing lands hat shows up
>no pistol's or assault rifle's are allowed there
>K E K
glocks are amazing. like how the fuck did they manage to make a gun that is the same size or larger than other direct competitors' on the market and yet it holds less ammo. how do they do it?!?!?
Which one? The shitty cheap one is full of lot numbers for sand. The nice leather one has random thoughts, sketches for a deck, and recipes for polystyrene based quartz countertops.
The problem here isn't whether it's worth it, it's the right to defend yourself, only you can decide if it's worth getting killed/killing over your tens of dollars in your wallet, but we can't call ourselves free without the ability to make the ability to decide that of our own volition, not the government deciding for you how it's handled.
>the point is not that you can win
>when they come patrolling through your neighborhood
...you detonate in IED under the street without ever needing to get in the line of fire yourself. Dying for the cause means absolute shit if you don't win.
Or, in the words of General Patton:
"No dumb son of a bitch ever won a war by dying for his country. You win a war by making the OTHER dumb son of a bitch die for HIS country."
There is no point to fighting if you can't win. There is no point fo fighting if you can win without a fight.
Guns will not win against the SWAT, even trying it is sheer stupidity. The best you can hope for is strengthening the gene pool by getting your dumb ass killed before you make stupid babies.
>that would convince you
You really can't, since it's a personal belief. You can say I'm afraid all day long, but you can't prove that or back it up, so why would I care? You're trying to tell me to utterly abandon my personal belief just because you say so. Hows that workin for you?
This thread needs less people bitching about guns and more bitches with guns.
Actually no you didn't. You may have been arguing with someone else.
What you did ask is for someone to justify why they want to own a gun without resorting to racism.
I told you I don't have to justify shit. Not a single mention of black people.
>...you detonate in IED under the street without ever needing to get in the line of fire yourself
You are a fucking moron. Good luck NEVER getting in the line of fire when fighting in a war.
I suppose you think it would be better to give up, right?
My point is that the government is always, ALWAYS, going to have more firepower than you. And in that kind of situation, the only thing your guns will accomplish is to get you killed faster.
I just woke up in Australia. Off to work today. Get paid 62K straight out of my government funded uni (do pay debt back as I earn but I'm totally cool with it). I pay 1% for Medicare levi on my marginal tax rate. This = all my health care needs.
I have no need for a gun.
Noone around me has a gun.
None of my friends have guns.
Laugh at fat dumbass trump voting gun toting Americans on the news shooting each other.
Off too work I go.
>My point is that the government is always, ALWAYS, going to have more firepower than you
>he thinks gun-ownig patriots don't outnumber government goons willing to kill their countrymen
>he thinks large numbers of military men wouldn't defect/sabotage
Why would I be upset about it? I'm just saying it's stupid and highly unconventional. Also it's misleading and in many places it will land your ass in jail.
You're entitled to your opinion, and I'm entitled to tell you it's retarded.
Torture tests. And POST mandated police training that centered on Glock perfection. You do know there's a Glock in the Glock factory with over a million shots through it and it still functions properly right?
>I suppose you think it would be better to give up, right?
What part of "learn to build bombs" did you erroneously interpret as "give up"?
The fucktard in the image was saying to fight uselessly when you know you can't win. I'm saying to learn a better way to fight because a safe full of guns isn't enough anymore.
I"m not saying "don't fight at all", I'm saying "don't fight at a disadvantage when you can mine the route ahead of time instead".
The term 1st 2nd and 3rd world were terms made in the Cold War. Anyone who was allied with the US were first world, anyone with Russia was second world. The third world is anyone who didn't choose a side, like Switzerland.
So apparently you DO have a reason other than racism. And yet, you refuse to mention it, therefore allowing my accusation to stand. If you want me to believe you're not racist, you're not doing very well.
Also implying whole sections of the military wouldn't just say fuck Obama. Whole bases would essentially be opposition forces. Not to mention the national guard bases that consider themselves "the militia" to fight govt tyranny
>Didn't even read through the image
It's pretty common knowledge that the majority of the military is right wing rednecks, all that would happen in a civil war is that the military would be split in half, distributing heavy weapons among rebels the same as the government. Having an armed populace means the defectors from the armed forces have less work to do.
>you won't tell me so I assume it's racism for some reason
Yes I have do have reasons. They *could* be racist, they could not be. You won't know because I don't have to justify shit and I don't care what you think. I thought I already made that clear.
eventually, after all of the nukes drop and the civilized world ends, ammunition stops being mass produced and dries up, these will be the only thing still working, because it's not difficult to make black powder and melt lead...besides archery/ballista based weapons...that will suck big time...
>he thinks his random stereotype is actually 100% true
Smith & Wesson M&P Shield .40, with Hornady Critical Control rounds.
Let me dumb this down for you one last time.
In a purely hypothetical situation (I'm quite happy with my life and do not believe the gubment is out to get me) someone hands each of us $15,000 and says "do as much damage as possible".
You will buy an assault rifle and go on a shooting spree.
I will spend a few days doing SCIENCE and then simultaneously collapse several large office buildings, and I"ll be miles away when it happens.
>then at some point you can't contine
(btw your gun will run out of bullets eventually. i can make more thermite at any junkyard and far more easily than you can make more bullets for your assault rifle. just saiyan)