I'm a Muslim ask me anything. Don't forget Muslims
The stories and information posted here are artistic works of fiction and falsehood.
Only a fool would take anything posted here as fact.
Only a fool would take anything posted here as fact.
I'm a Muslim ask me anything.
Don't forget Muslims don't need to pray all day everyday to be Muslim. The same way as Christians don't need to be in church 24/7 to be Christian.
I will answer to trolls within reason.
Let's try to avoid buzzword questions/statements. They don't bring the conversation anywhere interesting.
>>703085337
what good reasons do you have to believe what you believe?
also, why do you keep making this thread? it always turns to shit anyway.
>>703085337
Why do you let a book written by primitive goat fuckers over a thousand years ago dictate how you live your life?
>>703085479
Most of the time there are really interesting questions. If I sift through the anons trying to troll, some people are very insightful. I also make this thread on /b/ because people are open to ask anything here, its one of the only true places where people are anonymous.
Why Islam?
In general Abrahamic religions have a very interesting perspective on the struggle with the inner self. It states that humans have inert desires, these being detrimental (evil), in opposition it is our duty to do the hard thing and no succumb to these desires. To fight against these desires and urges to do the right things.
In day to day life. Immediate pleasures are easy to come by, however they are temporary and often leave you with more emptiness than well-being. Long term achievements and struggles are those you will be proud of, things that will bring you fulfillment. This is amplified in the Q'ran compared to the Torah and Bible, this is the concept of jihad.
Muslims then believe that the most important thing one can do in his life is the liberation of the mind from the body. To free your spirit from these worldly acts, to understand the potential of the human as a thinking being and not just a vessel moving through time.
Many other religions in the East address these issues as well. Jainism is very interesting and I have studied it. It is actually very similar to fundamental Sufi Islam.
They are not reasonable to follow in modern society, or in any society. They are idealized structured philosophies. Beautiful and I wish we could all be this pure, but the world is not so.
I can keep going. But if you have specific questions that would be useful.
>>703085530
The Q'ran was written by Mohammed's disciples and wife. He only spoke the Q'ran onto them.
Don't you think there might be some good in a book that has thousands of years of trial and error? I think there are many tools that religion can provide to lead a happier and more fruitful life.
During Ramadan do you abstain from sex as well?
Have you ever had bacon?
What sort of evidence would you accept that your religion isn't true? (Not being edgy, just curious as to what would make you lose faith)
What is Eid?
>>703085723
Well, I mostly agree with what you are saying, but none of that justifies any belief in some supernatural entity and such. You can simply acknowledge that humans are flawed and try to overcome it without the need for any sky wizard.
So I guess that didn't really answer my question. While I agree that humans have detrimental tendencies etc, none of that seems to be solved (to me) by making up invisible deities and claiming "X and Y are what god(s) wants and if you don't do it you'll be punished forever".
>>703085337
When you decide to self detonate to get your virgins, could you not do it around me?
fuck the usa
fuck the troops
fuck veterans
Hi, muslim here, pic related, what I think of the USA
what happen if a muslim comes out as being gay
pic related, real men defeating amerikas twink army for decades.
>>703085337
dude seriously, no booze, how do you people live?
i mean if you all could just have some drinks maybe you could calm the fuck down and stop blowing shit up
lol, dead faggot troops. Had it coming messing with real muslim men.
Why align yourself with a dirty sand nigger religion?
where will you do the suicide bombing?
>>703086050
Only at night. Sex is not permitted during the day.
No, I have not had bacon. I have had porc by accident in China.
I really don't know. Perhaps, the complete understanding of the human mind. Kind of like how we have mapped the genome. If we map the brain and then understand all of its functions. It might push me to adopt neuro-based solutions for what religion provides me today.
Eid, just means a day of feast. There are multiple of these during the year. The most important one is the last day of Ramadan.
>>703086070
You are taking a very structured Christian understanding of God. God is not a sky wizard. Christians misunderstood these parts of the Torah and simplified them. As was told onto Moses, and which is written in the Torah, the Bible and the Q'ran. God is as he is, he is everything that is, has been and is not. Some Christians have misinterpreted this. However, it is all encompassing and should be all encompassing. A Jewish philosopher said that once you start to define God you have already placed too many boundaries onto the entirety of that which God is.
>>703086168
Won't happen. So don't worry.
This thread was posted on /pol/ like a week ago. SHILL. Saged
>>703086168
>>703086414
Depends on the country, his society and his family's values. It's different for each person.
>>703086601
Alcohol causes a lot of harm in a society. What good is there in becoming a lesser version of yourself by drinking poison?
>>703086630
Refer to: >>703085723
>>703086659
No where.
is taqqyah stuff real?
>>703086968
I assure you it was not. I always post the thread on /b/. I do not go on /pol/, those people are beyond reason.
The Qu'ran is mainly filled with statements on how great Allah is and how terrible the unbelievers are and how badly they will be punished and how you will all point and laugh and openly mock them in the afterlife.
Though there may be spiritual elements mixed in, (I imagine that's mainly in your hadiths if you're a sufi) it's not as if you need a religion to be spiritual.
>>703087016
hes comes out gay in whatever civilized place you can think of but is surrounded in a Muslim society
this time dont bounce the question and dont lie
>>703085916
Are you suggesting Mohammed wasn't a goatfucker?
All religions can provide comfort to people who didn't luck out in the great lottery of life, so there's always some value in that. I get why people believe this shit, because their lives are miserable, so religion is their only hope. But that's not enough to justify all the evil shit (organized) religion has brought down on humanity. It's all just means to control and abuse people who fall for this scheme. I'm pretty sure if those Mohammed or Jesus dudes existed, they never imagined how much pain and suffering organizations they basically founded would inflict on the world.
>>703085337
How do you feel about your profit forcing a marriage with a 6 year old girl, and then raping the piss and shit out of her.
>>703085337
Why do you fuck goats?
>>703085337
Are you a moderate Muslim? If so, how do you define Jihad?
>>703085337
Muhammad was a faggot.
>>703085337
dirty sandnigger
>>703087072
This question usually comes up and it's simply based on misinformation.
Taqiya is the forgiveness of God onto an individual if he sins when his life or freedom is at risk. For example, if I am imprisoned and the only available food is pork, then it would be permitted for me to eat it. According to Taaqiya, not eating the pork and committing suicide as a result would be a sin and not forgiven by God.
Taaqiya can only be used when there is a risk. It cannot be used to spread misinformation about God or Islam. That is always a sin and is stated in the Q'ran as so. Consider this, if I lie and you start following my false teachings, then you will be following a false deity. That is a sin for you, and a sin for me to encourage the worshiping of false deities.
>>703087201
Please answer.
>>703087201
He was a pedophile. Muhammad was just an angry bitter faggot.
>>703085337
How is it the religion of peace if it's founded in war. By which I mean isn't it kinda convenient how Muhammad upon convincing enough followers in Medina and mecca goes on the warpath that eventually leads to an empire stretching from Spain to Persia with even farther reaching influence.
>>703085337
>im a muslim
>goes to /b/
>posts porn
>prays to allah
kys.
you aint a real muslim fcking wannabe cuck.
>>703087837
It's a bunch of bullshit.
>>703087837
Religion of dumb ass faggot fucks.
>>703085337
As a Muslim, have you come the the realization yet that Islamic theocracies are just as bad of an idea now as christian theocracies were a thousand years ago during the dark ages? ...Actually Islamic theocracies are worse for no other reason than access to significantly more powerful modern weapons. But we can set that point aside for now.
>>703087845
If seeing porn precluded you from being your religion of choice, no one would be anything. Porn trumps everything. It's probably why the concept of forgiveness was even invented.
>>703087567
It's Quran you dumb fuck.
>>703085723
>In general Abrahamic religions have a very interesting perspective on the struggle with the inner self. It states that humans have inert desires, these being detrimental (evil), in opposition it is our duty to do the hard thing and no succumb to these desires. To fight against these desires and urges to do the right things.
When you die though you get 72 virgins to rape repeatedly as they regrow their hymens and trees that grow infinite fruit to feast on so you can wallow in hedonism at the fulfillment of those inert desires you just bashed. Wasn't that your concept of heaven? Doesn't that make you a giant tool who doesn't actually believe any of what he is saying, but is being controlled?
>>703088211
Muhammad made a mistake. If you follow Islam and you die you're meet by 72 niggers to rape the shit out of you. Because you're an afterlife virgin.
sunni or shia?
>>703087128
I agree, religion is not necessary for spirituality. Religion incorporates spirituality and much more. Religions are like a chiseled and tested version of what an individual might construed as his spirituality.
>>703087177
It depends. In Morocco, homosexuality is a taboo issue. It is accepted in private. However, it is outlawed in public.
In Turkey, Malaysia and Indonesia it is accepted openly.
In Iran it is entirely outlawed.
In North American Muslim families it is usually taboo but accepted.
It depends. All people are different.
>>703087197
Is the pope's life miserable? There is a lot of good that can be learned and had from religion. It is a great source of knowledge about things that science has yet to understand about the mind and wellbeing.
>>703087201
There is no age stated in the Q'ran as to when they consummated the marriage. Most scholars believe it to be between 9 and 13 years old. Who knows. All that we are certain is that she had gone through puberty.
>>703087255
I am not moderate. I am a serious practitioner of Islam in its fundamental form. The fundamental form is not what the word has been perverted to mean. It is the root of what Islam is. Islam is the jihad of an individual against his inner self. And much more. Moreover, it is the adherence of an individual to the five pillars of Islam and the Ten Commandments as told in the Q'ran. These are useful guidelines, some that we can benefit from.
Jihad is an internal struggle. The word jihad appears in the Q'ran more often pertaining to the internal struggle than for the external struggle. It is also stated that the foremost jihad is with the self
OP here. I'm a faggot.
>>703088501
There are no "pillars" of Islam. Islam isn't a fucking building. It's a cult, an idea. Stop it with this pillar shit. Don't give me this metaphorical pillar shit either.
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Why do you fuck goats?
>>703087016
You do realize the purpose of alcohol besides the obvious of getting drunk or helping people get laid. Provides temporary comfort and escape. The US tried going without and utterly failed. Have you ever read Brave New World? Soma is their equivalent to alcohol, calms the masses so they can be controlled without question or thought of rebellion along with conditioning like religion does.
>>703088501
>religion. It is a great source of knowledge about things that science has yet to understand about the mind and wellbeing.
if something cant be understood and described by science then it literally is of no consequence, and can be safely ignored.
the only thing that region can address that science can not is make believe
so take your poorly written christian and jew fan fiction and go elsewhere
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Why do Muslims stink like shit all the time?
Jews are the origin of christianity and islam. Therefore islam is just a sect of judaism.
>>703088501
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Why do Muslims think religion is important?
>>703088501
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Why are Muslims retarded?
>>703087756
You are not the only person here. I almost disregarded your question as being too buzzwordy, but I answered anyways. Be patient, you are not the center of the world.
>>703087837
Islam is not a religion of peace nor war. It is like any other ideology or philosophy, it is a text that provides means to live a better life. Violent people will apply this philosophy in a violent manner, peaceful people will apply it peacefully. For example, Darwin's theory of evolution is a scientific theory. Neither evil, nor peaceful, it is just a theory. However, it was interpreted by violent people and later became the basis of social-Darwinism. Does that mean that the theory of evolution is evil? No, it simply means that evil people are willing to interpret anything to suit their evil tendencies.
>>703087845
I am a serious practitioner of Islam in its fundamental form. The fundamental form is not what the word has been perverted to mean. It is the root of what Islam is. Islam is the jihad of an individual against his inner self. And much more. Moreover, it is the adherence of an individual to the five pillars of Islam and the Ten Commandments as told in the Q'ran. These are useful guidelines, some that we can benefit from.
>>703088075
Theocracies are not an effective governing body, Religion is something that is meant to be between the believer and his community. If every individual in a society were a perfect practitioner, then theocracies would work. However, it is impossible to ensure that all people would be perfect practitioners. There will always be individuals that do wrong onto others. Or, act in ways that are counter-culture, be it good or bad. Therefore, theocracies do not work.
>>703088119
It's an Arabic word that we are deciding to write using roman script. In Morocco it's actually Koran, due to the french pronunciation of the letters.
Do you follow sharia law and if so do you still think the religion is peaceful?
>>703085337
What's your take on the recent burkini clusterfuck in France?
>>703089443
No. Jewish religion and Christian religion are pretty much the same, minus some things like Jesus was who Christians claim he was. Other things about the afterlife. Islam branched way off. But yeah pretty much spot on. It's all the same God for Jews, Christians and Muslins.
>>703088501
'Religions are like a chiseled and tested version of what an individual might construed as his spirituality.'
Religion is a mockery of spirituality. In fact, it's probably worse than that, because Religion is for the most part imposed on young children who don't fully know what is real and what isn't, teaching them the rules and regulations of how not to be eternally tortured and avoiding at all costs them coming to their own conclusions on reality.
Sure, during prayer or gatherings like dikur (not sure if i spelled that right) there is a sense of higher purpose/transcendence but that can be attained through meditation or any other number of things that don't have all this bullshit bolted onto it to have you believe you have to hate someone for not supporting your cause.
"O ye who believe! Choose not your fathers nor your brethren for friends if they take pleasure in disbelief rather than faith. Whoso of you taketh them for friends, such are wrong-doers"
We're all trying to find out what's going on here, can we just stop it with this silliness.
>>703085337
Why do you alienate, estrange or even behead apostates?
inb4 lie
>>703089556
>it is a text that provides means to live a better life. Violent people will apply this philosophy in a violent manner, peaceful people will apply it peacefully.
Why then, isn't there a larger or equivalent problem with violence in other religions?
inb4 'violence' is too buzzwordy, you used the word yourself
>>703088501
>Is the pope's life miserable?
No, pope is actually the bad guy here, using religion as a tool to force his morals onto people who trust him as an authority figure. I honestly don't care if he honestly believes using condoms is immoral or not, but the fact that he uses his position to tell poor, uneducated people to avoid using contraception is just deplorable.
>There is a lot of good that can be learned and had from religion. It is a great source of knowledge about things that science has yet to understand about the mind and wellbeing.
Religion is only as good in telling us about ourselves as any fiction, because it's just an artistic representation of life, with some crude moral rules derived from those stories. It's not a source of knowledge of any kind, because religion by definition doesn't deal with empirical facts.
>>703088211
The Q'ran was written for a plethora of people, ranging in intellect. Heaven is described to have all of your wants and desires. For certain people 72 virgins is an unimaginable desire, impossible in the world in which we live. The same is true for endless fruit, and happiness, these are all things that are not possible in our world. Heaven is supposed to be everything you want. Anything. For me, 72 virgins would be of very little interest.
>>703088486
I do not have a particular denomination. I have my own interpretation based on my plentiful studies. However I do associate strongly with Maliki interpretations, but also some aspects of Nizari Islam (Shi'a) and even Sufism. My great-grandfather was Sufi. My grandparents and parents were non-religious.
>>703089019
Are you serious? Pillars, means the five most important principles of Islam. Before being so mad, it is wise to understand the basics of what you disagree with.
>>703089334
Do you not think temporary "comfort" and "escape" is dangerous? That is exactly how addiction starts, you get a small reward for an action. Your brain then associates drinking alcohol to that reward and you become an alcoholic. Alcohol is a considerable killer in the world. It leads to liver disease, drunk driving, addiction and many other ails.
Isn't it better to solve your problems permanently rather than escaping them temporarily?
>>703089362
I am a scientist, therefore I know this better than anyone on this board. Religion is not mutually exclusive of science.
>>703089443
It is. Muslim scholars understand this. The Q'ran details the lives of the Hebrew prophets that came before Mohammed.
>>703086283
And a grand fuck you to you!
>>703087903
Yet Muhammad was the first caliph, well not technically. That title was granted after his death. That empire he founded essentially based off war and religion started in his lifetime. Yes Christian kingdoms used religion to justify war, but the creation of either Judaism or Christianity did lead to an empire devoted to it within 50 years.
That empire founded in war and religion is the basis of what current extremist(Islamic state) want to recreate.
>>703085337
>I'm a Muslim
Are you aware you have been brainwashed since birth? To believe in a fake fairytale storybook?
Do you realize if you were born in Antarctica you wouldn't have the same beliefs?
Do you realize that beliefs don't mean shit? It doens't matter what you beieve the planet and sun will continue to orbit each other until the sun blows up.
Have you even watched the Cosmos series? With Carl Sagan or Neil Tyson? Do you know what science is?
Do you realize all speech, every single word is created by humans in the last few thousand years? 10,000 years ago humans lived on the plains of Africa in tribes and had only rudimentary sign language. Where was your shitty religion then?
Have you even thought about any of this? Or do you just wear rags on your head and belive the bullshit because your peers do?
I have a question, why haven't you realized that out of the Christian/Judaism/Islam trio that Islam is the worst? That's saying a lot since Christainity and Judaism are pretty fucked up.
>>703086374
What we think of Islam!!!
>>703085337
So if Mohammed was a pedophile, does that make pedophilia ok for muslims?
>>703090662
>I am a scientist
explain to me why you need the crutch of religion?
is the world not beautiful enough, why do you need to believe in these stories?
you can enjoy myths without believing they are truth and describe the natural world
>>703085337
Whats your opinion on drugs like LSD which elevate our thoughts to a higher plain of thinking and reasoning?
>>703089556
>Theocracies are not an effective governing body, Religion is something that is meant to be between the believer and his community. If every individual in a society were a perfect practitioner, then theocracies would work. However, it is impossible to ensure that all people would be perfect practitioners. There will always be individuals that do wrong onto others. Or, act in ways that are counter-culture, be it good or bad. Therefore, theocracies do not work.
Okay, I have no problems with you then. Although I think you and the all the other Muslims that agree with you need to work harder to bring the rest of the Islamic world into the 21st century.
>>703090662
>The Q'ran was written for a plethora of people, ranging in intellect. Heaven is described to have all of your wants and desires.
So your previous statement and this one are mutually exclusive. You cant repress your desires at the hope of being rewarded with your desires, that's still desire.
What do you think about people without any believes
>>703085337
where do you stand on sharia law?
>>703085337
Why do you support isis?
>>703085337
How many Korans or fingers can you fit in your snatch, pretty lady?
>>703085337
>ITT: Religious cherry picking
If you don't follow doctrine 100% you're a fake no matter the religion. Why the fuck follow it otherwise?
>>703088501
>there is no age states in the koran
“Khadija died three years before the Prophet departed to Medina. He stayed [alone] for two years or so. He married Aisha when she was a girl of six years of age, and he consummated that marriage when she was nine years old.”
-bukhari
>>703091602
There isn't a single Muslim in the world that supports the true beliefs expressed in the quran not even fucking isis
>>703085337
science has proved religion wrong long ago. why do you still hold onto this shit?
>>703091602
religious people are like the people that get way into star trek and think the enterprise is real
for some stupid reason they cant enjoy the story without thinking that god, or capt kirk, is real and out their doing shit
its a mental illness, unfortunately people think its perfectly fine to believe the god fan fiction but crazy to believe the star trek
>>703091738
So basically the religion is fucking void?
>>703091909
Then its fake. Believe 100% or don't believe at all.
>>703089598
I apply Sharia onto myself and myself only.
>>703089842
I think women should be free to wear whatever they please. We should not force women to wear burkas, nor should we force women to remove their burkas. Women need to be given avenues to get help if they are in a dangerous relationship where a husband is imposing his rules on her. The state should not further punish her.
Moreover, what does banning a burkini solve? Do terrorists wear burkinis, like sexy ninjas? It's ridiculous.
>>703089921
It is the same God. Islam is not way off. You should simply read the Torah, Bible and Q'ran and you'll see. They are not long books.
>>703089986
I agree the bickering between spiritual paths is silliness. However, weak people bicker about nullity, that's a part of life.
I think if someone is capable of finding happiness and positivity in his life through alternative spiritual means. Then power to him. However, it is unreasonable to assume you, in your short life, will be able to come up with the rights means to calm the mind. It's possible but improbable.
>>703090068
I don't. Refer to the reply right above.
>>703090385
Read some history. Common. Every religious group has done horrible things, and amazing things. It's human nature. Some people are bad, some are good.
>>703090434
The pope does a lot of good for the world. Another example is Mother Theresa. Are you really ready to tell me that ALL religious people are miserable? I'm not. So that is already enough counter proof.
Religion is based on reality. It isn't some random fiction. It's a solution to life's struggles. It's a way of making the human condition easier to manage. I can give some concrete examples of this.
>>703085337
if thats you in the pic then wtf. dont you believe in modesty?
>OI fam. Wanna bun a lettuce leaf bruv
>>703089556
I'll give u that, still a theory like creationism that came before it in the various forms in religious texts. But it's not a religion and it does have for more proof that u can see (in geologic timescale). Social Darwinism is what u get when u let religion poison science
'Evil people are willing to interpret anything to suit their evil tendencies' so ur saying Muhammad was evil. He led his fellow Bedouins and Arab to war which is evil, at times necessary but an 'evil' nonetheless. Isn't that ironic? You figure a prophet while still human is supposed to be the closest thing to a saint.
>>703092046
>Moreover, what does banning a burkini solve? Do terrorists wear burkinis, like sexy ninjas? It's ridiculous.
In france you are a french citizen first, then a religions follower second, always. If there is a conflict between the french ideals of citizenship your religion you are expected, in france, to prioritize the french ideal over your religion
it all goes back the the french revolution and how they define things like equality.
>Another example is Mother Theresa
she was an evil women that promoted suffering because she believed that suffering brought people closer to god.
when she died she did not suffer, she got the best medical treatment money could buy.
she was a wicked evil women that let people suffer and die
its almost unfortunate there is no hell for her to rot in
>>703087128
actually untrue, they believe all religion of the book will be in the same after life as islam.If you are genuinely a good person you are forgiven
religion is for the simple minded. people who need an answer for life after death. without some sort of answer as to what happens when we die, the world would be chaos. so we made up some shit, people believed it. then donated millions of dollars towards the idea. most organised religions make a mockery of mankind
>>703090747
Roman empire, they adopted Christianity and used it as a basis to spread Christianity throughout Europe.
>>703090787
Before judging what kind of image I am portraying understand that these are my opinions and interpretations. Secondly, understand that my opinions and stances are well researched academically and through religious schools of thought throughout the world in many mosques, in many continents and countries. Lastly, I have studied philosophy and religion (many different ones) congruently with my field of work throughout my life. I have experience. I invite you to read my responses and get to know me before judging me.
1. I was not raised Muslim.
2. Refer to first answer.
3. Of course, even if we all died the Earth would still continue to orbit the Sun.
4. I am a scientist and yes I have watched that show. Although, it is not very interesting, just general information for the general crowd.
5. It already existed. People simply weren't able to adhere to it. We have grown since then and now we are capable of better lives further from our animalistic pasts.
6. Muslims do not wear turbans. Don't judge me with your low-level questions.
>>703090793
How so?
>>703090862
Desecrating the Q'ran is also desecrating the name of Jesus and all prophets before him.
>>703090934
I do not think pedophilia is permissible in any context.
>>703091022
Refer to: >>703085723
There is much more to religion that nonsense stories. There is a large part that religion suggests solutions for that science has yet to understand. refer to the second reply in: >>703086804
>>703091136
They're interesting. I cannot wait until we understand what is their effect on the brain. I did some research using mushrooms. Was interesting how they effect perception. They drastically change the EEG and MRI scans when doing the exact same tasks.
>>703091151
That's not my pursuit. I work to better myself and the people close to me. Not strangers that share the same label.
OP cherrypicks arguments just as much as he cherrypicks verses in the Qu'ran. Useless AMA.
>>703092926
you can buy that shit at fucking walmart?
>>703091924
Pretty much
It's just a label people can put on themselves so they can say and do wacky shit
Being a Muslim now it's like a fashion statement it's a fucking fad that's why there are so many stories about gay Muslims and trans Muslims they know full well that the quran says to put them to death but it makes them feel good inside it's just as vapid on the surface as it is in depth these people just like sjws just want a laundry list of labels for themselves so they can lecture other people about how oppressed they are in western culture
Middle eastern Muslims are just uneducated fuckwits and this who support isis are the closest to real Muslims as defined by the quran you can get
>>703092046
But that's not what 90% of the Muslim population says. Most believe infidels should be killed and taxed heavily and there are worse things than that, that they believe should be enforced. Now tell me do you honestly believe islam is not a death cult because I read the entire Quran and a lot of things there are absolutely wrong. Forexample the prophet Muhammad had sexual relations with a 12 year old girl. None believer's should be hunted and killed and if you say anything that goes against their ideology you are to be killed.
>>703093168
>I do not think pedophilia is permissible in any context
Even if the prophet did it?
>>703093509
It's double think only Muslims are capable of man drop it
>>703085337
How do you feel about the possibilities of any one religion, including your own and including atheism, being right or wrong? Where do you get your certainty besides a book that claims itself to be correct?
Additionally, how do you deal with parts of the Qu'ran that you don't agree with? Are you allowed to ignore parts of the book that don't follow your interpretation? Or are you forced to uphold every word, even if you don't agree?
>>703092681
Mate open the Qu'ran on any page and it will feature at least one of the things I mentioned. You might have convinced yourself that it's all hunky dorey and peaceful, but you won't convince anyone else very easily.
Also, if genuinely good people go to heaven, whats the point in the religion in the first place? And dont say it's because the only way to have good people is by having religion, that's obviously untrue.
>>703085337
https://www.wattpad.com/159904091-michael-and-the-sex-goblin
>>703093598
Why drop it? Trying to get to the bottom of of islam promotes fucking little girls.
>>703091225
Consider it as follows, it's like a reward for children. Act respectfully at grandma's house and you can get extra cookies tonight. It doesn't get more basic than that. Other parts of the Q'ran describe heaven as any desire. The part you are referring to dumbs it down to its lowest possible means.
>>703091243
Doesn't exist. How can someone believe in nothing? Does that hypothetical individual believe that he is? If so, that is a belief?
>>703091327
Refer to: >>703092046
>>703091338
I don't.
>>703091602
I am a serious practitioner of Islam in its fundamental form. The fundamental form is not what the word has been perverted to mean. It is the root of what Islam is. Islam is the jihad of an individual against his inner self. And much more. Moreover, it is the adherence of an individual to the five pillars of Islam and the Ten Commandments as told in the Q'ran. These are useful guidelines, some that we can benefit from.
>>703091644
The Hadith is written by scholars, it is not the Q'ran. The Q'ran is the only Holy Text in Islam. Everything else is supplementary. It's important to know the difference. I can write a hadith too. It is simply an explanation of the Q'ran.
>>703091738
Refer to other reply in this post.
>>703091831
There is much more to religion than a few facts. Religion provides tools that cam help people live better lives. Things that even science has yet to understand. I can go on if you care.
>>703092421
No, that's Vanessa Hudgens.
>>703094007
i agree it does help people live better lives sometimes but it doesn't mean any of its true what so ever.
>>703085337
Would you be accepting of a gay son or a child of yours leaving Islam
Also, is the monster from pic related a jinn?
>>703094007
>. Religion provides tools that cam help people live better lives. Things that even science has yet to understand. I can go on if you care.
the tools provided to live better do not depend on the supernatural.
you can read religions texts and learn moral lessons without believing in the supernatural.
you have yet to give an example of something science can not understand, so please do
>>703093860
Mostly because this is 4chin and op is a shit poster who isn't a Muslim
Muslim apologists at the very least admit aisha is on the quran shitposters outright deny it
Just a bit of trivia for you
Why is one of my neighbores playing some music, it started like 1 - 2 weeks ago i think, it started at 3am (europe GMT+1) but now slowly moved to 4:30.. and its REALLY loud.. only thing i can make out in the song is "allah u akbaaaaaar"
>>703090662
Yes I agree that comfort and escape is dangerous (yet I still enjoy a beer watching football)but u missed the point. I highly recommend u read that book or if lazy watch the 1980 British film adaptation. Alcohol is just one of these comforts, sports, TV, religion,etc they make u complacent. Religion has a similar effect minus the physical cons that come from drinking. Certain part of the mind reacts and constantly goes back to religion for that comfort and hope yet we don't classify it as addiction. I'm far sure that in the history of mankind religion has claimed far more lives than alcohol.
Yes it is better to solve problems yet it isn't always possible. Please read that book. Unlike 1984 it shows control of the masses with comfort in the means of their version of alcohol and weird religion based off Henry Ford among other things. The more content the masses r and this applies to the real world then the less danger to those who rule who want to stay in power. Some leaders choose the 1984 method.
Don't you think Islam need a clear schism to separate the middle-ages muslims from the modern ones? In other way separate the terrorists, the so-called moderates and the extremists from the civilized ones.
>>703094461
its the call to prayer
never move to a muslim country they blast that shit on loudspeakers multiple times a day, fucking annoying as shit
>>703094347
/thread
Sage goes in all fields mother fuckers
>>703092566
War is not "evil". War is a dispute in a larger scale. It is a part of life to have a dispute. You cannot live life without ever being faced with adversity. That is impossible. We right now are having a very small dispute. Families have disputes, which extends to communities, neighborhoods, provinces and nations.
Now there are ways by which to act during these disputes and then how to settle these disputes.
Ignoring the facts of life does not make a suitable philosophy. You cannot ignore what exists if you wish to better your life.
>>703092627
How does a burkini impede on French ideals?
These people have done much more good than you have. Don't belittle people's actions. It's unwise.
>>703092683
The donation thing does not exist in Islam. Imams are expected to live among the rest of the population. Usually they live pretty poor. Excessive material belongings are a sin.
This thread is the ultimate bait thread you fucking newfags
>>703094637
well i didnt live in a muslim country.. but this guy blast it out, and its a new thing he started lately... wtf.. we even have laws that dont allow music to be played too loud, and NOTHING loud that late on weekdays..
>>703085723
a have a specific but more general question. are you a gnostic theist? if so, why do you think that god exists? if you are a scientist, then shouldn't you be at the very least an agnostic theist?
science has to constantly change to accommodate new evidence. why doesn't religion? isn't the intricacy and beauty of intelligent design just the gap that can't be explained by modern science?
>>703095060
Quit bumping the bait newfag
>>703094895
>How does a burkini impede on French ideals?
the burka or the forcing women to hide their face is against the french ideals of a free society.
to them they don't feel even when done with the "consent" of the women to be something that can be present in a free society.
and since you are a frenchman first and a muslim second you are expected to not hide your face
>>703095164
Quit bumping the bait newneckbeardedfaggatron-6000
>>703095281
>someone is having fun on the internet and i don't like it.....STOP IT STOP IT STOP IT NOW
>>703085337
>I'm a Muslim ask me anything.
What is the big difference between (forgive me in advance for spelling them wrong) Sheite and Sunie?
What about those bad ass motherfuckers that had dope turbins and prety much have to carry a knife around with them?
>>703095452
> I'm being a newfag and nobody can stop me
Why are you even here?
>>703094895
people only come into conflict with each other when one or both of them is trying to take more than they need
>>703095955
the big knife are sikh, nothing to do with islam
>>703095281
i dont think you understand how bumping works here
Are the problems in Islam al that whabi salafi shit the Saudis follow ?
>>703093296
Why is ISIS the closest to a Muslim according to you?
Think about it objectively.
>>703093509
Aisha had gone through puberty. There is no age given. Some scholars state 9. Other claim anywhere between 9 and 13.
Why is this so important to you?
>>703093664
If whatever religion you are following brings you happiness and positivity t o yourself and your community, then it is correct.
All parts of the Q'ran must be respected. But, as it is written, it must be interpreted with reason.
>>703093775
What do you define as a good person?
>>703094149
What is untrue about it?
>>703094317
As long as my child understood the hardships of life with whatever lifestyle they choose to live. I will respect their choices and support them. It is their life, each life follows a different path, but all paths lead to similar places.
Maybe, could be an interesting twist. Seems more like Silent Hill type monster.
>>703094332
I have done significant research in neuroscience.
Science known nothing about the mind. We have no answers about anything salient that makes us who we are.
For example, we don't know why, but the following has been observed. There were two groups in the study, both would be asked to do the same task with interruptions. However before the task started, one group was given a ritual they were asked to perform during the interruptions. It was shown that the group that did the ritual, had better performance, faster learning and less blood flow in the brain as shown through MRIs. Why? Science has no answers yet.
However, thousands of years ago and across every culture meditation became a part of religion. Muslim pray 5 times a day, Buddhists pray throughout the day, Christians pray before meals and sleeping. Prayer is a good part of the day. It is the Muslim synonymy to meditation in Eastern religions. Meditation and regularity in human lives brings peace to the mind. This then helps people live better lives.
I can give other examples.
>>703093168
Yes and no. The Roman empire was already established and in decline at the time emperor Constantine adopted it(personally) in 313AD. It became the official religion in 395AD. Again this took far longer compared to Islam. 300+ years of semi peaceful spreading of Christianity despite constant persecution just like the Jews under the Egyptians versus an empire in the tail end of a Prophet's lifetime that spread itself by the sword( exception east of Persia and south of the Sahara desert).
>>703085337
What do you think about the Sharia Law? Do you think it is too restrictive?
>>703096169
Totally more badass then islam... Im just sayin.
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>>703096356
the effects of meditation are not dependent on belief in the supernatural.
i would expect a man of science to be able to make that determination.
and we know how the brain works and are learning more every day, just because you don't like the idea that we are a chemical/biological machine and nothing more does not make it wrong or explainable
>>703094347
Why don't you read the thread and discuss things rather than judge me.
>>703094461
That's the call to prayer for the morning prayer. I guess your neighbor uses it as an alarm clock to wake up for morning prayer. Ask him to turn it down politely.
>>703094510
I added it to my to read list.
Religion gives solid solutions to these problems. Like accepting your image, being one with society, being complacent with death, accepting your faults, accepting hardships and bad omens. There's a lot of solutions that religion can help with. Maybe that will change once we understand the mind. Until then religion is the best we have.
>>703094537
I classify myself as I am. I don't need a different label for people to accept me.
>>703086804
When you use the word "god", you are already implying some stuff, adding some baggage to the discussion.
If you are using "god" to describe the cosmos, I don't really see the need for a "belief" in the cosmos. The cosmos is there.
if you use the word "god", you're describing something different from "everything that is, has been", etc, you're describing some intelligent entity that expects stuff from us
>>703095164
Islam believes in God differently than most Christians. The image of God caused the perversion of the greatness that he is. God is as was told onto Moses, and which is written in the Torah, the Bible and the Q'ran. God is as he is, he is everything that is, has been and is not. Some Christians have misinterpreted this. However, it is all encompassing and should be all encompassing. A Jewish philosopher said that once you start to define God you have already placed too many boundaries onto the entirety of that which God is.
Consider this.
Set theory is useful to understand this.
First we must understand that the set, is everything that is, has been and is not. In essence the set is infinity.
S = {-inf, inf} in R^inf.
Now we can talk about subsets of what God is. However we must understand that God is much more than this subset. He is the set, S. The subset, s, is only a part of the whole.
For example, if we talk about God's generosity.
s = {generosity}
By definition, generosity is in the set, S, we have defined which the infinite set is.
Religions essence does not need to change, what should change is the way we understand it. But, that is each individuals duty. Can only control yourself.
>>703095236
A burkini does not cover the face only the hair. Nowhere does it say that it is not French to cover ones hair.
What free society is there is I cannot wear what I please without hurting anyone else? Where is the freedom?
If I choose to wear a hoodie, am I no longer following French ideals? This is ridiculous. Think about what you are writing.
>>703085337
Trust me, all religion is bullshit. You just don't know it yet. You only need to think for yourself. Stop believing what other people believe. Stop drinking the Kool Aid. For fucks sake think for yourself!
Ughh, Ok. Imagine this. It's the late Cretaceous period, dinosaurs dominate the planet, humans don't exist yet. Where is your religion then? Are T-Rex's kneeling and praying to the sun? Fuck no. And don't tell me dinosaurs didn't exist, we have the fossil record!
So the meteor hits and dinosaurs are wiped out. Small rodents able to burrow underground were able to thrive in this new environment. Humans are descended from those rodents! No joke! If the meteor didn't hit dinosaurs would STILL be roaming the planet to this very day.
Just think for a minute. I know it tough because you are brainwashed but just think. If that meteor was nudged off course by just a little bit. It would have missed Earth and humans wouldn't exist. Where is your religion then?
Do you mean to tell me your religion exists solely because a meteor crashed into Earth and wiped out the dinosaurs? Do you know how stupid that sounds?
Are you beginning to understand that religion is bullshit yet? Not even just a little bit? Religion is created by HUMANS. We created it. Get it? If that meteor was nudged off course and missed the planet do you honestly think T-Rex and Stegosaurus would be wearing turbans?
>>703097755
us and french ideas of freedom are similar but not exactly the same, its not that hard to understand.
think about how the english and french as languages. english in the us is a descriptive language, french in france is a prescriptive language.
the french do not feel the burka in any form is compatible with what it means to be a frenchman
they view the burka as antithetical to being free and have therefore attempted to outlaw it.
kys mudslime
>>703098284
Fuck I believed in thinking for myself and not believing what others believe but if you believe that too... well fuck.
Off to think of some new unique lifestyle cause its only good when others dont believe it.
I have a question, why is it that muslims are (reasonably) considered uncivilized and barbaric?
This is not a myth, when you compare islamic countries with developed world you can see the difference.
>>703095955
Sunni and Shi'ite disagree as to who should have been the first Caliph. That's all. All that arguing over nothing. The guys with turbans are Sikhs, not Muslims.
>>703096092
Conflicts are much more complex than that. Some people will simply disagree on a way to do things Democrat/Republican. They just have a different path for the future and as a result disagree.
>>703096360
There was no semi-peaceful spreading of Christianity. Read some history.
>>703096428
I think its rules are ideals. Some which cannot be expected from the masses. The punishments need to be interpreted accordingly.
>>703097039
Let's try to discuss ideas without you making assumptions about what I believe. I have studied neuroscience, i know what I am talking about. We do NOT understand even the basic mechanics by which neurons communicate. We do not know their encryption, the significance of their sequences. We do not know the functional connectome. We know just some basics.
I know very well we are chemical machines. What is a biological machine? That is not a thing. All of biology is chemistry. All of chemistry is physics. We are physical beings!
Read my comment carefully. Nowhere did I state that a belief in the supernatural was needed for meditation. Moreover, Islam does nto believe in a supernatural deity. Refer to: >>703097755
>>703097414
This is a very wrong understanding of God. Christian people believe this, however even the Bible says it otherwise. God is much more than a man in the sky. He is not an intelligent being high above. He is everything. Refer to: >>703097755
This is what all Jews and Muslims believe. And what Christians should believe if they would read the Bible and not just go by word of mouth.
>>703085337
Well you're already not muslim. Muslims are required to pray 5 times per day. If you don't do that then you aren't muslim.
>>703094895
Personally I don't like the binary, I see just a shade of grey. Used the binary as the generalization that most are comfortable with. But please notice by and large I'm using your words and poking holes.
Again you missed the point. For example why did not the populace of manji among others rise against IS? Yet the moment IS left they were celebrating. Y did they not try to better their lives by fighting back. Because it comes with risk which most people try to avoid.
Yes ignoring the facts of life isn't a good philosophy, yet it happens in the background even if you don't mean it to. We ignore the means by which some people exert influence and control. We don't do anything to regulate those who accumulate wealth and power and pull the strings of leaders in the world that are the face the public sees. We protest but nothing changes, u get a new face but the status quo remains.
End point is social controls whether it be alcohol, religion, conditioning of socially acceptable behavior, comfort, or brute force are to control the masses .
>>703099376
>Islam does nto believe in a supernatural deity.
are you serious?
if islam does not believe in the supernatural then everything that muslims believe is falsifiable, correct?
awesome, thanks. since there is no evidence to support any of claims made by islam it can all be safely ignored.
>>703099376
so you're saying god is not an intelligent being
why care about him/it then?
>>703098284
You are taking a very low-level approach to what religion is.
Religion wasn't fabricated out of thin air.
It is a response to what and who we are.
Think about that.
>>703098696
I am not from the US, and French is my first language.
Depuis quand qu'en France on peut dire a n'importe quelle individu qu'est ce qui'il devrait porter?
C'est son choix. Nul part, dans la loi ou la Charte est cela écrit. Ce n'est même pas logique comme loi. Ca s'arrête ou?
Oublie que je suis Musluman. Si comme individu libre je choisi que tout les jours je porterai une pulle. Cela est-il contre ce qui est français?
C'est qui qui décidera ce qui est français dans le futur?
>>703098920
The Anon is too edgy.
>>703085337
do you ever get fed up of islam dominating the news cycle for like the last 15 years, maybe think 'i wish we could take a back seat for a bit and let everyone calm down'
>>703099376
>We know just some basics.
exactly, through the tools of science we have a basic understanding of how the brain works, further study will provide better understanding.
no religious text will provide better understanding, or provide tools to help understand.
and without the supernatural religion is just a collection of stories. and no reason why the game of thrones is any more insightful then the bible or koran
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>>703099540
I pray five times a day, about 10 times each time. That is a total of 50 minutes. Hence, not all day every day. Learn to read.
>>703099558
I have a hard time understanding you because you are missing words in your sentences.
> End point is social controls whether it be alcohol, religion, conditioning of socially acceptable behavior, comfort, or brute force are to control the masses .
Social controls what? Are you saying everything is used to control the masses? What is your point?
>>703099824
God is much more than a supernatural deity. Refer to previous posts, I have written this too many times now.
Islam, is not about believing in the supernatural. It's about understanding what is. What good would there be in believing any random story I told for instance.
>>703100722
While I agree with you for quite a bit let me be the antagonist here: wasn't fire supernatural when people saw it the first time?
Your throwing in your own windows by instantly separating both.
And there are, even if less, prominent scientists who are religious. Who knows if in 2000 years we will think of A Song Of Ice And Fire as religion, but as you were not anywhere near the conception of such religious books nor the conception of the actual stories that would make an irrelevant comparison based purely on speculation too. The thing you apparently hate so much.
C'mon, if you're going to promote 'understanding' at least try. You're an embarrassment to all of us.
>>703099945
God is not a "being". I have explained this so many times. Refer to: >>703097755
>>703100589
Yes extremely. I wish we would see some positivity from the Middle-east. However, it seems we are far from seeing progress and peace in the Middle-East.
>>703100722
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>>703100842
A great place for anonymous debate.
>>703100417
the role of the state is to protect the individual
the burka is a tool designed to oppress the individual
therefore the state should outlaw the burka, to protect the individual
that is the line of reasoning, if you cant understand that you are beyond help
>>703101301
You're*
I am a failure and an idiot sandwich.
>>703101344
The problem with that argument is assuming the burka is more oppressive than telling women what to wear.
>>703099376
Within the Roman empire it was. After its fall I completely agree anything but peaceful. As u yourself said people with evil tendencies will adopt what suits them. Both Judaism and Christianity spent their first few centuries facing prosecution before being those who dished it out and being appropriated by others for their own gain.
Islam not so much. U get an empire within 50-100 years. I do actually believe a sizeable portion of that empires population genuinely believed in it and converted. Others not so much and are given the options convert for tax purposes or death. Within a few generations people forget their forefathers were forced to convert by the sword.
Christianity has done the same but given timescale it didn't initially rely on force or intimidation, eventually it was appropriate d to serve those purposes. Muhammad was fundamental in creating his empire using his teachings in one hand and a sword in the other.
>>703101830
Have you read the Torah? Do you know what the Hebrews did to the Canaans?
There will always be examples of evil that were perpetuated by any group.
> [Christianity] didn't initially rely on force or intimidation
Really? Common.
>>703094007
Sauce pls
>>703085337
OP is confirmed goat fucker
>>703102280
I don't have the source.
Do you believe the Quran is the inerrant word of God? If so do you believe apostates should be killed? If not how do you justify that
>>703101312
i've read that
still doesn't explain why anyone should worship such a "non-being"
>>703103506
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>>703102928
Yes. I do not think apostates should be killed. The Q'ran has conflicting messages depending on context pertaining to apostasy.
>>703085723
LEARN WHAT
NARRATIVE
MEANS
GTF OFF THE WEB UNTIL YOU LEARN THAT CONCEPT
>>703104165
Narrative: "a spoken or written account of connected events; a story".
Okay, what is your point?
>>703085337
Don't you think that muslims are trying to warp islam and what is written in the Quran to make it relevant in modern life?
As a gay guy living in the UK there is nothing I fear more than islam, Just like every gay person I know, all muslims I have ever met have instantly turned against me once I tell them I am gay. One even decided to beat the shit out of me while screaming Allahu Akbar.
Here are some verses from the book you have to follow 100% Tell me whether you just ignore those parts or worse, you actually agree with them:
Quran (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"
Quran (3:56) - "As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help."
Quran (9:14) - "Fight against them so that Allah will punish them by your hands and disgrace them and give you victory over them and heal the breasts of a believing people.
Quran (25:52) - "Therefore listen not to the Unbelievers, but strive against them with the utmost strenuousness..."
