Star Trek is objectively better than star wars.
The best way I can describe it:
> Star Trek TOS = original space sitcom.
> Star Wars = refined space story.
> Star Trek TNG = perfected space adventure.
> Star War prequels = CGI space adventure.
Star Trek as a whole is episodic
But go and tell me that the Star Trek films, specifically, have better writing than the Star Wars films.
Pro-tip: they don't.
They're all SW prequels level writing or worse
They're pretty poor and I'm talking about like the fight scenes with Worf and or Data. They're both supposed to be inhumanly strong but get they're asses whooped every time.
The problem with Star Wars is it is all movies...there has never been a true television show. Only cartoons and games. Although I must admit the start wars GAMES are 100x better than any Star Trek game out there. Jedi Knight/Academy, SWTOR etc to name a few.
Movies: Star Wars
TV: Star Trek
Games: Star Wars
Do you include mods? Star Trek Armada 3 best mod.
Star Trek, First Contact, Data gets his ass whooped and he is then tied up as the Borg queens new fuck toy.
Netflix they're on there now skip rhe original series unless your cool at watching low budget but good writing story, go straight to TNG which is arguable the best of the entire star trek series
Call me a gay communist, then. Because fuck you, Star Wars is a simplistic space opera that caters less to intricate shades of moral decision-making and more to just straight-up Disney faggoty.
Star Trek has economic theory, political allegory, theoretical science, and the capacity to go beyond a straight-up battle between good and evil. Star Wars is a blatant ripoff of almost every fucking Noble Warrior saga since Tolkien. With magic robewearing shiteating wizards.
So if you're a neck bearded fatass like Jabba, then sure. Star Wars is for you.
Captain Janeway is a dumb bitch.
>go out on three week mission
>somehow fuck up so badly end up in the Delta Quadrant, on the other side of the galaxy
>violate the temporal and prime directive over 9k times per episode
>murders one of her own crewman
>collaborates with borg
>kidnaps a borg
>forces borg to seperate from the collective
>when she gets home instead of being tried for her war crimes she gets promoted to Admiral cause daddy is one too
inb4 prime directive doesn't matter because Delta Quadrant
prove me wrong.
>pro tip inc
>mfw all these shit opinions
This. "Hold on, let's build a giant space station with a power core the size of a small moon to blow up planets to show how badass we are."
And yet nobody in the Imperial Science corps says "oh hey, if we do that, we completely fuck up that sector in addition to losing a potential slave / prison planet". I can't imagine the Dork Lord of the Sith wouldn't be down with the ability to use literally billions of cheap labor and planetary resources.
But no, we gotta spend almost the entire economic production of an Empire to build not one but two artificial moons so we can go around blowing shit up.
The Rebels aren't even rebelling against anything in particular, just "EEEEEEEVIL".
Fuck that for a shitty plotline.
No argument here.
But she was still a better captain than Kirk.
Mostly because she didn't fuck mud if it wriggled.
Her 1st officer was also an enormous pain in the dick. Only characters out of that series worth a damn were Lucretia Borgie, Doctor Jem of the Emergency Holograms, and Little Miss Angry Half Klingon.
>better than Kirk
I didn't say she didn't make fucking stupid decisions.
I said better captain.
Kirk couldn't lead his way out of a paper bag. He was like George Bush Junior - only capable of doing a goddamn thing because he had 20+ people who made sure he didn't run with scissors - metaphorically speaking
She wasn't a badass. That was always the point. But she was pissed as hell and willing to fuck your shit up to get her to leave her and her peeps alone.
It was a straight-up allegorical statement against Israel's occupation of the Palestine and the West Bank during the Intifada, along with some serious statements about Middle East politics.
You honestly think it was about being a badass? Fuck that, it was about being willing to do anything to fight for your personal freedom in the face of overwhelming odds.
Maybe her mother shouldn't have collaborated if she didn't want to be condemned as one. You have a toddler-like sense of personal responsibility. Not really surprising since you probably still watch cartoons.
Not the new films obviously.
I fucking love star wars but they killed it when they killed the EU. This new politically correct mass marketed star wars makes me sad.
Star Trek series are super cool though and philosophical, thought provoking, true sci fi
And if North Korea bombed the fuck out of your country tomorrow, occupied your town and took your mom as a sex slave, after your mom sucked two hundred kimchee dicks a day to "keep you safe", would you prefer her to be a North Korean dogfucker or fight for her home instead of just taking it in the ass?
My god, junior. I just realized exactly how pathetic you and your "cuck" faggotry actually is. You'd rather suck a cock to be safe than to fight for you and yours.
Being kidnapped by a superior force and then told "become a sex slave or we'll kill you and your entire family" is not collaboration. If she was a collaborator then so we're the Bajorans mining minerals for the Cardassians with guns pressed to their necks.
Not defending a giant space station with a giant laser but I feel this should be posted.
A false binary choice. Someone who has been subjugated by being kidnapped and their family held hostage does not have the agency to collaborate or rebel.
They are a slave. Enslavement is not collaboration.
Star Wars is Swordsand Sorcery In Space With Elves.
Star Trek is not.
The former lends itself well to games and fantasy and completely unrealistic world creation. (Seriously. A forest moon without enormous bodies of water? A complete desert planet that totally isn't a fucking ripoff of Frank Herbert's Arrakis from the Dune series? An entire metal-covered planet that's the administration center of an Empire just like Asimov's Trantor? Lucas stole almost everything he did from sci-fi and fantasy author, shit it into a bowl and hand waved it enough to make it seem original for audiences too stupid or illiterate to realize how much he plagiarized from the sci-fi and fantasy authors of legend.)
>Enslavement is not collaboration
Technically it is. It's still voluntary cooperation to an extent.
You could always rebel against your captors and succeed, or die. Or you could take your own life if you found imprisonment or servitude abhorrent.
You have choices. You make them. Whether you choose to suck korean cocks, pick cotton or rise up and (likely) die fighting, you make your choice and pick the devil you run with,
>a weapon that blows up planets to fight people who don't have any planet
They DID have planets, and had to flee them because of this weapon. You think blowing up Leia's home planet didn't have an effect on Rebel tactics?
>fear your own inactive military
really not a problem when they are 100% fiercely loyal and you're the most powerful being in the universe.
Hey I pretty much assume any added plot is just as big a part of one story as anything else..
This kinda makes me respect the star wars universe a little more.
Also justifies my using infinite force cheats on battlefront 2 so I could lightning the fuck out of people with Palpatine
You ALWAYS have a choice. The choices may suck, but you have a choice.
If you honestly were being held by the threat that your family would be destroyed if you did something, you are in the exact situation of literally thousands of freedom fighters. You actively allow your family to be leverage? YOU make them a target.
Ultimately it comes down to the difference between you and me.
I'd rather live free and independent, even knowing it might cost me and mine everything.
You'd rather suck a cock to survive.
Our choices do not exist within a vacuum.
Bottom line is that condemning sex slaves as collaborators and not doing the same for mine slaves purely because the Cardassians liked to keep the sex slaves clean for the rapings is inconsistent, hypocritical and an example of how Kira was fucking retarded.
Every one of you faggots in this thread needs to watch this show.
Both shows/movies suck
Farscape is master race.
>Our choices do not exist within a vacuum.
What does that even mean. Elaborate.
>Bottom line is that condemning sex slaves as collaborators and not doing the same for mine slaves purely because the Cardassians liked to keep the sex slaves clean for the rapings is inconsistent, hypocritical and an example of how Kira was fucking retarded.
Of course Kira was retarded. She's fucking Kira.
They're all collaborators. If the Bajorans had just fucking rose up when the first Cardies made landfall on Bajor, the "occupation" may not have been an occupation at all.
But regarding Kira's logic on virtually anything, no shit she's retarded. Took her 6 seasons to become likeable, but that was her purpose for the shows' inter-character plot.
Fair point but I'm pretty drunk right now, seen about three episodes of any star trek ever, and my opinion is solely based on the momentum I've accumulated upon seeing star wars mentioned and being flooded with nostalgia.
So I guess my 'it's a choice' comment, could be compared to someone yelling "murrricaaaaa"
Star Wars is space dumb, Star Trek is space smart, you can't compare the two they're just different styles man you gotta tap into the great space mother and appreciate those differences man they're different man
>YOU make them a target.
By loving them. The occupiers make them a target. Nobody else.
Accepting daily rapings to keep your family alive is heroic act. Letting your family die for your own personal comfort and/or values is weak and selfish.
And Kira judges her mother for not being weak and selfish.
Didnt you watch the third of the prequels? I know most people block it from their memory but still...
In the end of the third movie Kenobi is eager to take Luke to the sand ball, which is on the edge of the galaxy.
Agreed 100%...about the movies. But if you step inside other forms of the universe and watch the newer Clone Wars show, you'll see the different shades of grey, the constantly shifting moral compass. The show executes the corruption and downfall of the Jedi Order and the dark politics within in a sci-fi noir combination that is near perfect. It actually tells the story Lucas wanted to tell in the prequels. The OT was always going to be goofier and simpler, the PT was supposed to be about corruption and deception, noir in a massive metropolis setting, but Lucas's writing was abysmal.
>What does that even mean.
It means that life is complicated and we shouldn't condemn people for making perfectly valid, heroic choices, just because they don't align with a black and white idealology.
Star Trek definitely produced a lot more quality material with a good level of complexity and built some good, diverse casts.
Star Wars had a lot of great filmic moments, but the story was and remains a little basic, not very interested in tackling tough subject matter
>I'd rather live free and independent, even knowing it might cost me and mine everything.
Literally not an option for Kira's mother.
What you're actually saying is "I am too weak to carry a burden, even to protect the people who I love the most."
You're just as weak and pathetic ad Major Kira
>Spaceballs hasn't been mentioned in this thread.
The fuck is wrong with you guys?
>It means that life is complicated and we shouldn't condemn people for making perfectly valid, heroic choices
Stopping you right there.
Heroism is not a static definition. Your definition of heroism differs from mine.
People that get fucked in the ass, literally, to save their families isn't a hero to me. Collaboration is collaboration, no matter how you choose to sugar-coat it, no matter how you try to justify it.
>just because they don't align with a black and white idealology
Exactly my point. You're trying to argue heroism as a static ideal against a dynamic such as consequences of choices and the motivations behind those choices, when heroism isn't black and white itself.
This is such poorly written nonsense
Why the fuck didn't Palpatine have vision of being defeated by the Rebel Alliance???
>blaming Rebels for anything they did
Palpatine CREATED The rebels by being a tyrant. He had all the power in the galaxy and he chose to create war instead of being clever enough to avoid it. Literally everything is his fault, he was just a fucking moron in the end.
Spaceballs>Farscape>tng>ds9>battlestar galactica>Babylon 5>voyager>ent>>>>>>>>>Star Wars
No because you're pulling all of that shit out of your ass. The fact that you're using "Science Fiction" instead of the more accurate "Speculative Fiction" shows you don't know what you're talking about.
Okay let me break it down for you.
Choice A: Rebel, die, your family is killed, you achieve nothing.
Choice B: Don't rebel, live in slavery, your family lives enabling your daughter to become an effective rebel and a key figure in stopping the occupation, achieve victory.
Your black and white, "collaboration is collaberation" thinking has no place on any complex situation. You might consider it heroic to betray your family and commit suicide for your own personal comfort.
But that would make your definition of heroic as retarded as Kira in general.
You can lie down and take it in the ass or you can fight.
You say lying down and taking it in the ass is heroic.
You're just convincing more and more people how much of a faggot you are.
There all on Netflix . Just watched allTOS , onto TNG , , it's the time though , there is fucking loads of them , amazing program I must say , only the first three are good , all the rest shit
Choice C: do nothing, be a collaborator who sells her daughter into sexual slavery and perpetuate a cycle of slavery for generations.
This is actually what would occur had the writing NOT centered on a leader of the Bajoran resistance. You're advocating passivity because you're a pussy, but your stance is so beta, you're moving down the alphabet a single letter with every post.
ohh...what groundbreaking debate...
space based sci-fi tv shows vs space based fantasy/adventure movies...
never tnought I'd have the honor of toasting in a bread as new and epic as this one...
I know the episode. It IS an option. It's not the option she chose. But it's an option.
Her decisions were made for purely selfish reasons. That simple.
And you're advocating not standing up for yourself and your family. You're more repulsive than a MLP faggot.
Star Wars was on TV too
Clone Wars was surprisingly good, and it's considered canon
>the longer, computer animated episodes, not the original cell-art ones.
There were some retarded episodes like "FIND JABBA'S BABY," but there were a ton of great episodes that focused on the clones. Also, Ahsoka went from obnoxious as fuck to the best character on the show.
Okay if we're doing it that way:
Choice D, shout "SHAZAM" and use your superpowers to single handedly fight off the invasion.
>This is actually what would occur...
I find it funny that you call me a beta while you are so insecure you refuse to address the show as it exists as your black and white beliefs are too fragile to stand it.
What about Tasha yarr , she was a playboy model and in soft porn . If Star Trek nerds don't know this your not Star Trek nerds
There's no way to compare them, they're not even the same genre.
Star Trek is high concept sci-fi.
Star Wars is a space action fantasy with wizards and princesses and magic. No sci-fi to speak of.
The only thing they have in common is the name, and space travel.
>I know the episode
>purely selfish reasons
Saving the lives of other people could only qualify as "selfish reasons" to the truly stupid.
You know what is selfish? Condemning others to death in order to avoid pain.
>And you're advocating not standing up for yourself and your family.
You're advocating for having your family killed.
Star Wars is sci-fi
Maybe you don't agree with that fact, but that's how the movie is classified, now get over it.
Any good work will have unique aspects, but that doesn't mean you can't compare it to other unique things.
I'd rather live the the trek federation than the galaxy far far away. Life seems cheap in Star Wars and the motivation of the empire is often unclear. The rebels are almost as bad. Even moitsure farmers get burned alive
The success of TNG was fairly independent of TOS and the franchise would not exist today had TNG not been so popular. We just wouldn't be talking about trek had TNG not been sooo much better than TOS.
Thr big differance between startrek and star wars is the amount of action vs dialog. Starwars would have a 20 minute action scene followed by 2 hours of dialog vs startrek had 20 munutes of dialog vs action. Id rather sit through a episode of startrek then a movie for starears anyday. Plus trek movies were overall more interesting, the wars between differant races and traveling through space vs the same war of the different sides of the force
Startrek used tommy guns. Gangsta as fuck. Starwars used light up dildos. Gay as fuck
his #1 was a tranny fucker. no surprise /b/ likes trek.
It's not gay if she dies before the end of the episode.
>Fun fact: every American pedophile arrested in the last 50 years has been a Star Trek fan
I use to like Star Wars more as a children, now I prefer Star Trek. Star Wars target audience is 12 yrs old and lower mostly. I'm not into toys and more into philosophy therefore I prefer Star Trek.