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Why don't you defend your home, family and country with an AR-15 /b/?
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>>703021599
>10 round mag
califag.
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>>703021841
You're right. Just built her today. Going to Vegas this weekend for 30 rounders
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>>703021599
whats that 10 rd mag gonna defend?your dish washer?
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>>703021599
>defend your home
>with and AR-15
What are the fucking triads after you? Fucking insecure cunt a shotgun is the best home defense weapon, CQC dumbass unless every room in your house is an acre you have no need for a 10 round 5.56 caliber rifle.
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>>703021599
so many problems...nice guns, wrong app
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>>703021599
>10rd
>lolo
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>>703022777
Checked. I'm getting bigger mags soon just gotta drive out of state.
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>>703022818
Cali bro. Gotta get em before you cant. Shotgun is next trust me.
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>>703023381
what's the penalty for having large mags in california?
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>>703021599
because of fucking socialism fucking up market mechanics

hitler didnt really die unfortunately he moved to australia under the pseudonym william murden klotz and is alive to this day (real birth year is 1899) and has been cancerously toxically contaminating everthing for the last 26 years of its peasent existence.
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>>703023525
nobody needs em anyways, and before you bring up that "we need weapons in case our govt turns tyrannical" man an AR-15 aint gunna do shit to an armored truck with a 50 cal. mounted on top that shits gunna slap chop your ass in half before you hit the bullet proof windows.
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>>703021599
>born in fucking austria
>what the fuck is austrian economics
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I do.
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>>703022138
Wont they just ask for your ID and shut you down?
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Umm I live in a ghetto area, Its so bad I don't flinch at the sound of gunshots. Every weekend it's loud music and assholes taking turns unloading aks into god knows what. It usually starts with one retard shooting his pistol, then another faggot has to respond and fires his piece, this goes back and forth all night. U fucks got it ez in suburbia, huurr durrr home defense ar15 derp derp trump 2k16
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>>703021599
>home
The house I live in looks like a meth cookout on the outside and it's remote enough to not bother with.

>family
Honestly? Cos I don't give a fuck about them. I don't have kids and I think it was a huge mistake of all my sisters when they had kids so really a killer would be doing me a favour no matter who they killed.

>country
You do realise we have the most hated idiots running in the main parties yet everyine isstill so sackless that they won't vote 3rd party. This country did itself in, and the will of the people made it a country not remotely worth defending.
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Retarded Canadian gun laws. I could buy one if I wanted, but I'd only be able to shoot it at a 25 meter indoor range (or else drive for like 2 hours to something else. Combined with the mag capacity limits, I see no point in bothering so far. When I have more money I'll probably buy one
I just shoot pistols mainly
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>>703021599
People wouldn't trust me with an AR-anything, rightfully so. I have a bad temper and poor impulse control. I've never hurt anyone, truthfully, but that doesn't mean I wouldn't ever have a moment of complete fucking stupidity and kill someone needlessly.
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>>703023314
Someone has played Resonance of Fate before
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>>703021599
AR-15 is dogshit for general home defense.

High velocity rounds going right through the walls and beyond. More useful for a ranged defense against something more siege style.

Your .45 is dated. I had a S&W .45 for a long time, learned to shoot with it. Switched to a Glock 19 both for capacity and the fact that if you're trying to induce hydrostatic shock in an attacker, both guns are effective. .45 has a nice slow heavy hit, while a glock has a nice fast light hit, but they'll both kill an attacker just the same if you hit an artery. Most guns will. Why would you limit yourself to 7 rounds? I'm a great shot, but I'd still rather have backup just in case.

Back to the AR-15, you're better served with a nice little pump 12 ga. Load it up with something smaller than deer but bigger than bird. Won't go through the walls as easily, patterns so you can still get hits under pressure, and won't jam.

I trust my Mini 14 more than my AR15, but I'd still take a manual fed short barrel shotgun for CC if I didn't have a handgun.
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>>703024344
shut up nigger, know your place trash
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>>703021599
because an AR is terrible for home defense. unless youre defending the neighbors house from your living room
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>>703023562
Felony punishable up to 10 years.
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>>703021599
I'm not an amerifag
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>>703023929
But we can fight back bro, predator drones and tanks don't stand a chance
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>>703022138
good luck finding someone who will sell. all the stores check ID now. before, they used to check ID, and make you sign something swearing you are not taking them to CA or NY. hear they dont do that anymore though
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>>703024869
This. Remember Vietnam
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>>703021599
poor CA/NYfag. i moved out of that shithole state years ago.. never looked back
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>>703024617
kek
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Why do you have a 10 round magazine
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>7.62x39mm nigga
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>>703025127
hes in commiefornia
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>>703024869
yea we'll throw them cum buckets to make their gears stall then we'll open their doors and mow them down with automatics and we'll continue doing this until we have a small army then they'll call in artillery from an arleigh burke and send us all to shit hmmmm seems like a good idea
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>>703021599
because i use an M1 Carbine instead. it was enough to fuck up the japs at iwo jima, it's enough to stop niggers
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>>703025381
this made me chuckle, thank you sir
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>>703025333
because superior firepower worked so great for egypt, tunisia, libya, syria etc

plus you have to remember quite a few people in the armed forces wont fire on civvies
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>>703021599
>Why don't you defend your home, family and country with an AR-15 /b/?

Because I'm not a fucking retarded ultra-conservative (redundant) Americunt.

*if* somebody breaks into my house, it's not to steal (they'd run off when they realized soembody was home), but becaues they're actively trying to kill me.

Since either you're already preparing for this, or like 99.99% of gun owners, you're not actually ready for somebody to try to kill you.... it will be too late by the time you could "protect" yourself
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>>703025848
Fuck off shill. I forgot to mention Eurocucks need not reply.
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>>703026156
Actually, I'm american. Just not proud of that, because it's not some great accomplishment.

It's like being a nazi. Great in the party, but EVERYONE else hates you.
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>>703025848
So tell me what your plan is for IF someone comes to your home with the intent of harming you?
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Glock 17
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>>703025381
Infallible
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>>703025610
heh yea you keep thinking that buddy, them jarheads, they dont work for you bud if our commander in chief tells them to fire upon civilian pop. you better turn and run like fuck because they're not going to think twice before sending you to heaven. And as for the firepower goes, yea in capable hands that shit can turn the tide of anything trust meh U.S. soldiers wether they be marines, airborne, rangers etc. they're loaded for bear and they sure as fuck know a whole lot more on how to handle a weapon as opposed to a normal gun fag that thinks they're fucken rambo. Gunna give you a scenario, Mexico narcs carry 50 cal. weapons, RPG's grenade launchers, 7.62 cal weapons basically really heavy firepower, and more times than not the well trained cops and marines fuck em up. Even though this scenario can be used to support your thought I used it becuase theyre trained for that shit the average american gun owner doesnt have the experience that soldiers carry on their belts a successful revolution would take years to get organized.
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Because ARs are shit I have these.
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>>703021599
I hate anti gun fags.
-liberal gun owner

New to the AR-15 platform. Still researching and getting a little more familiar with the options before I buy or build.
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>>703026363
NOT AN ACCOMPLISHMENT?
LAST I CHECKED THERE WAS ONLY ONE FLAG ON THE MOON.
LAST I CHECKED WE WERE THE ONLY ONES TO USE NUKES
LAST I CHECKED WE WERE NUMBER 1 IN EVERYTHING BUT BEING THIRD WORLD
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>>703021599
dumbass, I defend my home with a .380, which is basically a cleavage -gun, the .308 and the .22 are for sport and target
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>>703026709
HNNNNNNNNNG

What would you recommend for a first rifle?
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>>703026363
When are you berniecucks gonna just get over it already. Go shill somewhere else dipshit
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>>703022138
Lol sucks to live in a shit state. Enjoy jail when u get reported by the shop.
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>>703021599
Coz i dont live in the hood homie, white pride
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>>703026873
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>>703026780
When was the last time you checked? US is quite far down the list of most things that matter.
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>>703026709
Oh shit niggas take a mental picture, if you see these guns in the news in the near future you'll know who did it.
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>>703026865
The first thing I would ask is, what is your price range that you are willing to spend on a first rifle?
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>>703026709
Explain why AR's are shit?
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>>703027041
They were all bought in a store and the stores have my 4473, so relax a little.
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Well someone plays alot of COD
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>>703025052
Lol right? Hes the fag that will turn his shit in for the "govt buyback"
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>>703027054
Not sure, but probably under $2000.
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picture related
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>>703027186
Most guns used in shooting were legally bought so your point is what exactly?
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>>703027380
shootings
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>>703027100
Okay, so not total shit, ad for the basic model, direct gas system j to the chamber and bolt, hinged design made from aluminum, once star chamber is dirty l ll & lll type failures occur. Not total bad weapon, but if you want one that doesn't have prevalent issues, you're gonna spend some cash, and if you are gonna spend that much cash, in my opinion, I would go to a higher caliber and different platform.
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>>703027380
You mean mass shootings?

Also I'm pretty sure all legitimately manufactured weapons were at one time legally purchased. Then they get stolen or sold illegally and some nigger shoots you with it. Most shootings don't involve random gunmen. It's usually some nigger shooting someone.
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>>703026860
.25 or .308's are better because they lack the power to do a through and through, so they just bounce around wrecking a person's insides.
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>>703027380
Most firearms purchased legally and used in homicides tend to be bought several weeks before an incident occurs. I've had these for years, and I'm a law abiding citizen.
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>>703025333
>artillery
>on your own cities
jesus, are you retarded? That would be a nightmare situation.
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>>703024330
Nevada doesn't have jurisdiction to enforce California law, so no.
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>>703027023
LAST TIME I CHECKED WE WERE NUMBER ONE IN FREEDOM AND THAT'S ALL THAT COUNTS
>reds are brain dead
>Europoors are fags
>People in Africa are niggers and starving
>Look at shitty Germany with Merkel
>Tanks are shit in Poland
>Obviously China sucks with child labour
>Ten times the power of any other first world country
>Houses in Asia collapse all the time
>India is shit
>Shitty third world countries don't have good Internet speeds
>People starve in other countries
>only Korea is the north
>Spain is bankrupt
>Trains derail in China
>Ores and such are the only economy in some countries
>Red China is oppressive
>Young children die everywhere but in the US
>Only America has been to the moon
>Underneath America is everyone else
>Reds are stupid
>More freedom here
>Only good country is America
>More food
>Dollars for all
>Infections don't kill anymore here
>Everyone is free
>So many more reasons why US is the best

For more reasons read the first letter of every line
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>>703027659
what? no im meant gun range shooting..
>and some nigger shoots you with it.
kek nooice, nand ass for the niggs naww its not in their nature to commit mass shootings they tend to get you from teh back or in a pack but if your looking for a school or movie shooter then you look invest into the white men department my good man.
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>>703027598
You make good points.

I've got an MAK-90 7.62x39 sporter.. Granted its Chinese made.. It's never once jammed on me, or had any failure.

Can easily knock something 300-400 yards out with irons.

>pic related
>not mine

The only thing I dislike about it; is the hooded sight.

Bullpup's are where it's at now. I will be purchasing one ASAP..

Or an Springfield M1A.. Dat .308
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>>703027921
Yeah that's like France trying to nuke isis
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>>703026498
Laugh, because dogs will be a dead give away.

Also, bunker is well hidden.
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>>703027921
Jesus are you retarded? The russians did it the germans did it the french did it and in the civil war the union did it you fucking stupid scummy cunt bag check yo self befo you rek yo self faggot.
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I just have a 12 gauge pump loaded with deer slugs.
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>>703028150
This post is incoherent as fuck
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Ausfag here.
We got some big fucking spiders and snakes, but nothing a shovel can't fix.
Only reason to have anything bigger than a .22 is to take out wild pigs, and they aren't exactly common in most places.
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>>703028429
>Australia
>wild pigs
So, I assume they're venomous?
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>>703023929
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>>703027261
ARs are not bad starter rifles, if you go with one, buy a piston driven system, and maybe one with a 2-stage completion trigger group. If oh shoot enough and get a mil spec rifle, I'll bet you'll upgrade the trigger group eventually anyway, so might as well start off with a 2-stage. M1As which are 7.62 nato, they are piston driven, round is heavier, and they are reliable and accurate. Styer Augs are being manufactured again. Pretty much boils down to what you plan on doing with it and how often you plan on shooting it. Price of ammo is not cheap anymore, so you might want to take into account the price of ammo for different types.
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>>703028416
Yea i understand.. when your autism kicks in you cant just ignore those extra words or the misspelled words either right?
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>>703027659
I don't have the time or the effort to discuss illegal use of firearms. Maybe you can find a different room for that. We are discussing firearms not what people commit illegal acts with them.
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>>703028625
>projecting
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>>703028174
I have a Mak90 also. Mine is I the pic somewhere above. Love that rifle.
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>>703028558
heh yea like that'l happen..............................
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>>703026156
Enjoy having your family friends and yourself shot by random pyscho because nra wants to protect arms manufacturing profits.
yes Americans are this dumb
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>>703026780
Number 1 in health care costs
Number 1 in uncovered health care
Number 1 in 1st world poverty rates
Number 1 in gun deaths
Number 1 in murders in general
Number 1 in suicides
Number 1 in infant mortality in 1st world countries
Number 1 in corporate corruption
Number 1 in tax evasion
Number 1 in political corruption
Number 1 in lowest minimum wage.
One of the only countries that has a minimum wage lower than it's living wage.
Number 1 in FUCKING RETARDED POLITIANS RUNNING FOR OFFICE.
Number 1 in morons that think america is actually great.

Firing nukes *isn't* a good thing, and everyone ACTUALLY involved regrets it, massively. One of the worst actions we as a country have EVER taken.

Necessary, maybe. Horrible? Absolutely.
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>>703028804
listen cunt this aint yo thread so anyone can come in here and start a fucking pony convo if they want fucking obama
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>>703028546
Dunno about venom...
They'll fuck you up pretty bad given the chance. And then there's the bacterial infections.
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>>703022818
Although your *no need* argument is flawed, I agree. I wouldn't use a rifle for home defense. Double stack glock or a shotgun.
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>>703028131
>LAST TIME I CHECKED WE WERE NUMBER ONE IN FREEDOM AND THAT'S ALL THAT COUNTS

As long as you don't refuse to stand for the national anthem.

because then your just some fucking asshole nigger. Rather than somebody experessing their freedom of speech.

It's not freedom if you're required to do it. That is in fact, called fascism.
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>>703028804
>different room

Anon says most shootings happen with legally purchased weapons.

Point out that's not exactly true unless maybe you're talking specifically about mass shootings

Point out the reality of more likely shootings.

>I don't have time for this
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>>703029090
Big talk over the computer. I was just trying to stay on topic.
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>>703029191
no there is no need for an AR-15 period give me a list as to why you would need one plux.
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>>703029328
because im overcompensating for being stupid and having small cawk
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>>703029328
Because people like you.
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>>703029323
>Big talk
hahahahaha aww the pussy is butt hurt because someone said a mean word to him over the internets hahaha fucking crybaby nobody is on ttopic in here you worthless cunt so why dont you fuck off to /pol with your bull shit comments
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'Cause AR-15 < M16
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>>703029328
>>703029006
>faggots
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>>703029484
salty
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>>703029437
hahaha ok thats a goo reason as to why
>>703029482
becuase people like me heh i dont need to kill you id just send someone, fuck getting my hands dirtay
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>>703028941
>heh yea like that'l happen..............................

More likely than you losing your virginity.
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>>703021599
I don't have to. I'm poor.
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>>703029484
Sir, I do not have any political motives to push, nor do I want to talk about politics. You sir, are not being kind, and that is not polite. Maybe the world lacks what you lack, a little respect for all people. That is all.
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>>703021599
Fucking kids
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>>703029077
mostly agree, but source.
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>>703022818
How the fuck is a shotgun better for home defense? You have 9 projectiles minimum each with a different trajectory.
I prefer a compact .40 pistol with hollow points for home defense. The shorter barrel ballistics are way more refined for indoor length defense especially if you want to limit collateral damage. The shorter barrel means no overkill velocity just enough to expand the hollow round.

>>703024564
Cool you can identify ur sad life

>>703026709
HUBBA HUBBA

>>703028601
>first rifle buy piston
>upgrade trigger
There is no need.

>>703029328
Because the gangsters have automatic everythings.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwXPlX_lm30
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>>703029580
you didnt have to use green text for that you dumb faggot
>>703029695
hahahaha what a good comeback cuck, its more likely for the world to end that it is for you to leave your moms basement
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>>703021599
bc I'm russian [spoiler]drahtootee[/spoiler] and I'm not allowed to possess automatic weapons.
But I will not fight for our govt anyway, [spoiler]cyka blyad[/spoiler] bc they're faggots.
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>>703021599
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>>703029738

>>703029484
Isn't me
>>703029288
>>703028150
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>>703029820
ever heard of a 20 gauge? yea no need for an extra round when your target has a hole in his head or chest
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>>703023929
Being armed is better than being unarmed.
With a rifle at least you can shoot at the gunner.
If you don't have a gun what are you going to do, throw rocks at him?
Use the weapons you have to steal better weapons. Don't forget there will be sympathizers in the military who will help out as well.
"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time by the blood of patriots and tyrants."
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>>703029959
Oops meant
>>703029288
>>703027659

These are me
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>>703026709

Nice AK variants and Bullpup
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>>703029820
>I prefer a compact .40 pistol with hollow points for home defense. The shorter barrel ballistics are way more refined for indoor length defense especially if you want to limit collateral damage. The shorter barrel means no overkill velocity just enough to expand the hollow round.

One of the few posters who actually has a clue.

My daily carry and home defense weapon.
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>>703025381
Airborne?
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>>703029959
mmm sorreh
>>703029989
honestly apart from the shit posting yea there would be alot of soldiers that would defect but ultimatley our govt would collapse and we'd be taken over by the ruskies and the chinks
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>>703029820
Simple, have you ever shot a firearms in a house? Sheetrock is pretty thin when it comes to projectiles, pistol and rifle rounds travel farther through a house than shotgun rounds that are for home defense. Plus have you ever tried to aim a pistol or rifle in the dark in your house, they are firearms that require you to aim, because you are firing one round at a time, that leaves a lot of room for error in accuracy. Shotguns can be pointed in general directions and be affective. Take some home defense classes.
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>>703029830
>didnt have to
But I wanted to
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Because I live in the UK with shitty gun laws. Best I can get is a shotgun, 22LR semi because anything over 22LR HAS TO BE bolt action. Handguns are near impossible to get too.

Fucking UK Gun laws.
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>>703030200
That's true, it's the one thing that scares me more than fighting my own government.
Having some assholes come in while we're fighting and owning us both.
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>>703021599
whats the problem more americans have guns=more dead americans
stop complaining people I say remove all gun restrictions in the US
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>>703029869
Photoshopped. You swapped the NRA and Democrat list.
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>>703024608
5.56 penetrates less drywall than pistol in indoor situations. I would take an AR or a pistol over a shotgun for HD every single day of the week.
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LWRC
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>>703029985
>>703030238

Yeah a pistol is way more practical than a long rifle for CQ.
Your goal is to defend yourself reasonably not destroy the offenders funeral and wind up in civil court.
No long rifles for home defense regardless of caliber or shell.

>>703030140
Thank you
Fine fucking choice in caliber.
Consider compact .40 w/ rail for light
You wont regret.
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>>703030403

Mrs. Clinton, what's this poster's brain size?
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>>703021599
I own shares in a few weapons companies,gun control does not work
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>>703030140
.40 cals are high pressure rounds, much more than 9mm and 45 cal. The muzzle velocity in a .40 cal would definitely exclude it from being the ideal home defense firearm. As for short barrel, it takes a lot of practice to be efficient with a short barrel pistol. The sight picture between the front aight and rear sight is shorter, therefore, shorter barrels are more difficult to aim and hit a target accurately.
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i really do feel bad for our California brothers, along with those in the non-free states. side note, ive actually considered setting up some form of high cap mag smuggling operation but it just seems too costly.
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>>703021599
because I don't live in the USA and I don't live near niggers, I will never need to shoot someone or lock my doors in my life
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>>703021599
I don't have a family, I don't care about my country and my home is a shitty rented apartment.
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>>703029820
Well

When someone hears the shotgun rack
They shit their pants

Plus, you dont necessarily need to aim with a shotgun; and at close range, they're dead as fuck.

Pistols are perfect for home defense..

But, when you wanna make sure they're dead as fuck when it's DARK in the house.

Shotgun is the way to go IMO.

>Reliable
>No need to aim (MUCH)
>Power
>Intimidation factor

I do love me some .40's though.. Favorite handgun caliber aside from .357
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>>703029077
This
America is the worst first world country by a great margine.
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>>703030702
This all day

EDC and HD is a sig p226 9mm. Looking into getting a rifle as well.
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>>703030789
Come "Liberate" us! Help Plzzzz!
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>>703026500
>inferior hornady plastic tip gimmick ammo
lol
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>>703028131
America doesn't have good internet either, you ignorant peice of shit.
Sweden and Japan completely shit all over American internet speed, and the ISPs here cuck every single person in the country.
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>>703030919
I tend to agree as far as the state of this country and the day to day idiocy I come accross. And to think 90%+ of my ancestors died so you guys could fuck up an actually pretty good idea (constitution).

I still support gun rights though. Because the world is a shitty place.
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>>703021599
Under federal law I'm unable to posses firearms ; (
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>>703031234
Same, center-left gun rights supporter here.

Even worse than gun laws in liberal states are knife laws, but I won't give up my legal pot to carry a gravity knife.
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>>703030702
Higher pressure round to help compensate short barrel.
Short barrel for size convenience and concealment ability when in use or transport
>Purses
>Pillows
>Nightstand
>Body

Lastly its just fucking practical its compact power. Grasp the fucking concept.

>>703030855
>Racking a shotgun during intrusion
>Letting the bad guy know you have a gun to steal
>Giving away your position to an armed intruder
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>>703030552
>Consider compact .40 w/ rail for light
I have a pair of Sig 239s in 40 S&W (affectionately named Selene and Selena) in a dual-holster shoulder rig that I carry when the alarm at my business goes off at 3 am.
I've got an aversion to putting a light on a gun. It, pretty much, makes a nice target. If I need a light, it's a flashlight held to my side.
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>>703025848
Amerifag here. Literally used my ak47 1 week ago to get some crazy Crack head bitch out of my house. Didn't shoot anyone, no cops were called. But no you are right, guns don't solve any problems
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>>703030702
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>>703031446
There's a lot of us /b/ro. We just don't talk as loud as conservatards. Gun rights would probably be handled a lot better if it we're the other way around.
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>>703021599
Becase the laws in my country are shit
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>>703029802
I bet the revolver and the derringer are as empty as the other guns.... what a retart is running around with 3kg of useless weight on his belt?
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>>703030702
>The sight picture between the front aight and rear sight is shorter, therefore, shorter barrels are more difficult to aim and hit a target accurately.

How long a shot do you think you need to take for home defense?
There's not one place in my home where I can see further than 35 ft.
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AR is cool guy
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>>703031774
Don't leave regressive liberals out.

I'm not sure if I hate religious right wings or libtard PC hippies with victim complexes more.
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>>703030403
not him, but apparently you are retarded
so you might want to check into that
there was no "swapping" of anything
that's an original

oh, and btw, maybe you want to check your facts because literally each and every one of those mass shooters were REGISTERED DEMOCRATS
that's just a fact and is so well known at this point that your post claiming the image is photoshopped is just a further testament to what bunch of bold-faced liars Democrats are and how they always engage in sad little propaganda campaigns full of lies to meet their personal agenda ($ and power)

go give a kiss to your corporate and Wall Street Masters now, won't you?

dumb sheep
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>>703031531
Must have light to properly defend yourself
Lighting offers information to make better decisions.
>Compact high output lights can disorient the intruder "deer in the highlights" while you're Identifying the target.
I want to know if its a girl breaking in. Im not shooting a girl or an adolescent. However I do keep restraints to as an option. It could be a lot of fun. Way better than immediately having a dead child, woman, unknown bleeding out all over your shit.

plus i could always keep the girl
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>>703031463
Okay, for one, short barrel and high pressure do not mix or help each other out in any way shape or form. Shorter barrels are harder to control and usually the shooter experiences more recoil from the firearm. Higher pressure of the round will make the firearm travel upward more, which makes recovery longer to regain a sight picture making it less accurate. Golden rules to all firearms: the smaller the firearm, the more recoil and less accurate it will be. The bigger the firearm, the more bulky and heavy it will be. Have you ever wondered why women do not like to shoot snub nose .380's, because it only allows the shooter to have a four finger grip in the shooting hand, harder to aim and the recoil can be felt more because of the weaker grip.
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>>703032109
I was actually thinking i forgot to mention that right after i hit post.
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/k/
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>>703031463
It ain't cloak and dagger shit chum.
It's shoot first, don't miss, and kill.
Shotgun beats pistol all day long.
Only an idiot would bring a pistol to a shotgun fight, esepcially at close range and in the dark.

You also seem to miss the concept of spread, stopping power, guaranteed pellets in vitals if you just shoot in the general direction, and oh yeah, you can put down multiple bands of niggers with one shot.

Get a clue, dumbfuck, and stop playing into guns as a hobby. When you rack up enough kills, you get to talk. Otherwise, you are a weekend warrior wannabe killer who likes to jack off to squirtguns.

Faggot.

You also forget
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>>703031954
Home defense, 10 ft, but think about this, you're asleep, you wake up in a stopper because of sounds in the house, you panic, not thinking straight, adrenaline is pumping, breathing erratically, thinking erratically, if you have to grab a pistol in the dark and under those circumstances have to aim and fire accurately within seconds from being woken up, you have better be the most best trained pistol shooter in the world and practice shooting under those circumstances all the time in order to be effective. Me, I'll stick with a shogun, but I do have two pistols on my night stand. JIC.
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>>703032195
By the time you are done fucking around playing with lights and thinking about strategy, I will have pumped all your vitals full of lead shot and you will be dead before your hit the ground.

Dumbass.
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>>703032246
Wrong!
Wrong!
Wrong!
Sort of
Wrong!
Wrong!
Wrong!
Wrong!
Wrong!
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this >>703032246
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>>703032246
>Have you ever wondered why women do not like to shoot snub nose .380's

why would they need a gun at all in the kitchen?
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>>703032798
>You also seem to miss the concept of spread

How much "spread" do you think you get from a shotgun over 10'...20'...30' ?
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>>703033060
Well I'm not here to sway away an inexperienced shooters opinions. I am just putting on the /b/ what I have learned through my experience over many years dealing with firearms. That example you replied to mostly pertains to pistols.
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>>703021599
Because I defend it with an AR-10
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>>703033294
How you treat your wife or girlfriend is no concern to me. But I wonder if you would be the type of person to tell your mom to stay in the kitchen to her face.
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>>703032246
Why are you such a pussy.
There are plenty of .40 compacts with well sized grips
But I see your point not everyone is like me and may prefer other shit

>>703032798
Listen up fuckstick you're not trying to spray pulverized anatomy all over the fucking place and changing your life around this traumatizing event.
Another thing I have pistol semi auto 12g and an ar. When I hear a bump I dont pull out 20 inches of fucking steel and parade my property. I pick up my little compact .40 with a light clear the property and set it on the kitchen counter while I get a fucking snack and go back to fucking bed. At no point during this do I appear to be a heavily armed naked retard sociopath ready to pulverize my fucking life with your anatomy.

>>703033031
Streamlight trigger switch it my flash of light is accompanied by barrel flash
>you're silouette is defined and you are hit vitally before your reflexes can sight me in

>>703033367
Thank you
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>>703033615
i dont need to tell her, she already knows
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Defend? From who? The drug addicts next door?
Nah bud, we share our drugs
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>>703031463
Well chances are you're gonna hear me walking down my creaky ass stair case anyways.

I may as well make you run, or cower.

Regardless if you cower, or run. I'm going to be slinging shot at you.

I'm letting them know it's me or them, and they just put themselves into the shit storm.
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>>703033850
Don't get me wrong I've shot competitions with G35's. I have no problem with any size pistol. My whole statement is and was that in my opinion for home defense shotguns would be my primary go to, then I would use my pistols until they went dry, and probably use them as a club after that.
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>>703033367
Jeezus, I'm not going to answer your dumbass questions nor debate with you. You are literally just too fucking dumb. You obviously know very little about anything and can't even seem to figure out that you can control the spread based on a number of factors.

Here's a clue dumb fucker:
You aren't turkey hunting with a SBE, you have a SOSG for HD. At that barrel length the spread is huge, then you factor in the cylinder bore modified for HD, pick a cartridge for increased spread, throw a choke, etc.

Faggot, you don't know shit and shouldn't even be posting.
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>>703033875
Well it's nice to hear you have your family sorted out. Whenever you and your family would like to come out of the dark ages and integrate with the rest of the modern world, we would be happy to have you all.
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>>703034353

You're a fuckin' moron.
You're not hiding that fact by being a douche,
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>>703034350
I don't understand just wtf you think is going to happen.
You have the intruder in your sights you shoot him and then you keep shooting him?
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>>703034513
lol no thanks, the grass on your side is shit
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>>703034135
They seriously paid you for something that you taped together, that is the smartest thing I've ever seen. That's like $10 of hardware and labor.
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>>703034677
I got $100 for a broken BB gun a couple years ago.
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Why the fuck do I need an AR when I can just use my P7 and do the same shit
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>>703034851
You paid $100 for a BB gun? I bought a shit 9mm for that same price. You are retarded.
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>>703034945
>reading comprehension
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Because I've got a Sig Sauer P250 9mm because my dick's bigger than yours.
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>>703034945
different anon here but your reading skills are shit, stay in school kiddo
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This guy >>703033850 is fucking retarded.
He sounds more and more retarded with each fucking post and spews more and more bullshit.

Asswipe, I've done 5 tours in the arena, ranking and decorated, and put down more bodies and seen far more shit than your little panzy ass gun aficionado club membership team could jerk off to in a thousand lifetimes. It's amusing to those of us who actually know what we are talking about and have faced death and been through many gun fights have to listen to on retard boards like 4chan from little faggots like you with a collection of pistols to jerk off to.

You keep your pistol your fucking moron. You don't know shit about shit and that is clear to all of us. Idgaf if you die and while bleeding out remember you shouldn't have listened to a guy on the internet who told you that if you wanted to protect yourself, stop being an armchair gun fag who plays with flashlights and shit and actually learn to kill and learn what works in a real killing situation and under what circumstances. Those who know are laughing at your dumbass right now talking about pistols. Even a complete pleb knows a pistol is no fucking match against a shotgun. Period.

You play with your flashlight and fanboy through gun magazines. Meanwhile, when you come into my house with your 3 CC pistols, I'll be behind the bed or around the corner, reach out with my sawed off and pump the entire room full of lead. It will be fun to hear your death whine all about "hurr durr pistolaaaaassssss . . ."

Fucking little whimpy dumbass.
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>>703034539
actually, pretty much everything he has said is spot on m8
it's you that sounds dumb
no offense, but like others have said, maybe you need to stop posting
you are embarrassing yourself
badly
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>>703034594
I don't know if you have ever shot somebody that had the intent to harm you. The whole point of shooting someone is to make them bleed out in enough time before they can do any physical harm to a person or family member. It could take multiple shots from a pistol to make this happen, vital organs have to be hot and bleeding has to happen quick and fast. Have you ever heard of the 3-21 rule, it takes a person 3 seconds to travel 21 feet. Someone armed with a knife or blunt object could be a real problem if you value living. You have to become aware of the situation, respond to the situation, take action (aim & fire) and hope you have hit enough vital organs that that threat will come to a complete stop in under 3 seconds. So, yes, shot as many times and accurately to ensure safety. That's why a shotgun is preferred, because of the spread of the pattern at such a close range it will maximize hits on target.
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>>703035146
>Meanwhile, when you come into my house with your 3 CC pistols, I'll be behind the bed or around the corner, reach out with my sawed off and pump the entire room full of lead.

I'm sure the ATF would like to know about your sawed off.
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Guns are tools. They fit purposes. A shotgun isn't a one size fits all tool.

If that middle of the night defense situation is you finding your wife being raped on the living room floor in the dark that shotgun might do more harm than good.
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>>703034650
Well, the offer still stands whenever you all want to come out of the mud huts.
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>>703034945
holy fuck you are quite the dullard m8
are you even old enough to be here?
it's hard to believe an adult is literally this dumb
what's funny is you are calling others morons and retards
yet there's at least 5 different anons that have responded to you recognizing how ignorant yet arrogant you sound
sad that people like this exist
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>>703035287
You're not fooling anyone.
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>>703022818
FACT, shotgun slugs, and shotgun buck shot have greater penetration values of drywall and other building materials commonly use in this day in age.
>FACT a shotgunasand a ar 15 both share teh exact same instictive point and shoot firing methods
>fact, a shotgun, shooting buckshot, irdshot, etc does NOT experience significant increase in spread at teh ranges of within ones home.

The fact is, if you are gonna use a long gun to defend yourself or your home, shotguns, and rifles ARE INTERCHANGABLE

>bonus round-see pic shotgun-ar15 why not both?
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>>703035146
Is your MIS series in the following: 11, 18 or 0311?
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>>703035044
>>703035120
>>703035535
Too easy
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>>703035693
>says retarded thing
>hurhur no I was just joking

No, you're not fooling anyone, kid.
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>>703035577
This
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>>703035839
Keep feeding the troll. Good call mate
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>>703035477
Oh, so you are just a common citizen. No wonder you know so little yet spew so much as though you know something. What a joke you are.
Oh, and fyi, even for common citizens like you, they are 100% legal if within barrel length and sold by a number of mfrs.
Oh, and fyi, even if not, you can register it, dumbass.

Proves once again how dumb you are.
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>>703036165
You're still not fooling anyone, Skippy.
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>>703036165
Half truths
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>>703025060
Tell me about. I live in California and work for law enforcement. Shit is still annoying purchasing firearms or even getting a concealed firearm permit. Most cops back up is held illegally because reasons. My buddy who does drug bust got wind of illegal firearms going for a fraction of the price cali sells legal firearms
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>>703035146
Your home is not a damn battlefield mate. Im sorry about your PTSD.
Im not bashing your logic im just saying Im not the type of person to fuck somebody up real bad in my house. It's my fucking house I dont want his anatomy defining it so Ill stay with my compact .40 with hollows.

>>703035400
No I get it. Thats where the hollows come in and do their thing. If he's still coming at me he gets another but im damn sure he'll get knocked by one on center mass
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>>703036464
Only in America where you'll get sued for defending your house, family, life and actually might lose.
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>>703036694

Shoot, Shovel, Shut Up
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>>703021599
I'd rather stick with my dad's old colt 1911 that he gave me. I prefer it over the shotgun or any rifle due to the short barrel being more ideal for close quarters and can be fired with one hand leaving the other free. It's concealable. 8 rounds max with one in the chamber, reloading is quicker than a rifle or shotgun. Less collateral damage to my home compared to the spread of shotgun shells. I highly doubt a home invasion would involve more than 5 and even that's a stretch. If I can't defend myself against one or 2 men with 8 rounds then we'll I deserve to die for being a lousy shot (I'm decent).
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>>703036464
Just use as many rounds as it takes to stop the threat. Use your best judgement. Other things to consider, what if you have to move past the threat to check on kids or leave a confined space? If the threat is not fully incompacitated then it might be a treat behind you, a lot of what ifs, but what if they have s getaway car near by with backup? Might get caught in between threats, it is better to be sure than have to deal with multiple threats. Use as many rounds as it takes. Just good for thought.
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>>703036694
YES.
>>703036974
I have dirty cuffs for sex and this
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>>703037121
Well anon, it sounds like you have things sorted. Be safe out there.
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>>703021599
I do and it's great.
>10rnd
I got 40's
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>>703022138
Why don't you get the cali legal 30+ round mags. Looks like shit but it does the job. Go to a gun show and you'll find them. They are expensive but legal. It's like 3+ 10 round mags combined in this plastic thing ama Bob.
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>>703021599
There's no need. People in the area know better than to drive past my house faster than 30mph, out of towners avoid the place because of all the bombed out buildings and bullet-riddled cars (they were there when I moved in, some real classics), and the meth-heads are all total bros, never any guff. The only thing I need fear are bears, boars, and helicopters. CO2 cannons, the big one bisected a Camaro engine with a five pound projectile. Regulations? I think not.
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>>703021599
AK-47 is best bro.
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Nobody needs a gun
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>>703037651
Why should he stop at 30 rounds when you can get like 150 round mags now.
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>>703029830
You showed him
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>>703036694
>castle laws
only cucks live in states that are against this
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>>703024523
What kind of gun is that? New to guns and stuff. It looks like a M1911
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I have a record of schizophrenia and multiple assault arrests.

fucking texas would rather give a nigger a gun before a true american
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>>703037886
Fair enough. I did say 30+ though so...
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>>703036694
>Only in America where you'll get sued for defending your house, family, life and actually might lose.

:)

18-1-704.5. Use of deadly physical force against an intruder

(1) The general assembly hereby recognizes that the citizens of Colorado have a right to expect absolute safety within their own homes.

(2) Notwithstanding the provisions of section 18-1-704, any occupant of a dwelling is justified in using any degree of physical force, including deadly physical force, against another person when that other person has made an unlawful entry into the dwelling, and when the occupant has a reasonable belief that such other person has committed a crime in the dwelling in addition to the uninvited entry, or is committing or intends to commit a crime against a person or property in addition to the uninvited entry, and when the occupant reasonably believes that such other person might use any physical force, no matter how slight, against any occupant.

(3) Any occupant of a dwelling using physical force, including deadly physical force, in accordance with the provisions of subsection (2) of this section shall be immune from criminal prosecution for the use of such force.

(4) Any occupant of a dwelling using physical force, including deadly physical force, in accordance with the provisions of subsection (2) of this section shall be immune from any civil liability for injuries or death resulting from the use of such force.
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>>703037886
yeah, but at the very least he should get normal capacity mags like 30rd Pmags, not faggy cali mags
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>>703038023
I have a love hate relationship with cali. The people here can be so fucking retarded that it's just not funny anymore.I got yelled at by a civilian I pulled over for speeding and got called a Cis sexist pig. I was just going to warn her but after that bs and making my in n out burger cold I wrote her a ticket.
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>>703038356
I live in California. When you defend your home and the intruder lives, they will sue you and if you fail to mention feared for my life your fucked.
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>>703038400

Or, get a gun that does not even use mags ;)
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>>703038696
or that
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Because I don't live in a waste heap known as America and the only real guns I've seen outside of a military base are sidearms safely on the belts of police officers. Never heard one fired, don't care. My family and "property" are completely fine and I don't regret for one second letting the delinquent who broke into my car live. I'm not a vigilante who performs impromptu death sentences on the slightest of misbehaviours.
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>>703037886

An alternative might be to use the legal 10 round mags - but just get 30 guns....
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>>703039341

Or, Just get a really really good single shot rifle....
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Because if it can kill gooks and commies good enough for France, it's good enough for me.
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>>703029077
Way to make shit up you fuck brain.
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>>703021599
Because I don't need guns, as I live in a civilised country. No threat from weak idiots with guns. Guns are for pussies.
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At first only /k/ had guns...
Then /pol/ all went out and got guns...
Now, even the faggots on /b/ are all getting guns!
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.308
Canadian
we have bears that's "why".
that and my country defends it self.
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>>703039859
says the 12yo who cant even have guns
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>>703039985

:)
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>>703039859
you do realize gun ownership is decreasing right?

you do realize guns don't actully hate gay people right?
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>>703040182
wow places with out guns must be so nice!
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>>703040232
ikr! i wished i lived in the gun-free utopia called north korea, I hear its nice
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>>703040182
>you do realize gun ownership is decreasing right?

:D

Self-Reported Gun Ownership in U.S. Is Highest Since 1993

http://www.gallup.com/poll/150353/Self-Reported-Gun-Ownership-Highest-1993.aspx

2015/16 NICS background checks:

May/15 = 1.6 Million - New Record
June/15 = 1.5 Million - New Record
July/15 = 1.6 Million - New Record
Augest/15 = 1.7 Million - New Record
September/15 = 1.8 Million - New Record
October/15 = 1.98 million - New Record
November/15 = 2.24 Million - New Record
December/15 = 3.3 Million - New Record
January/16 = 2.55 Million - New Record
February/16 = 2.61 Million - New Record
March/16 = 2.52 Million - New Record
April/16 = 2.15 Million - New Record
May/16 = 1.86 Million - New Record
June/16 = 2.13 Million - New Record
July/16 = 2.20 Million - New Record
August/16 = 1.85 Million - New Record
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>>703040425
pretty much
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>>703040355
or Africa xD
or communist eastern Asia
or i know fucking Bolivia
LOOK AT EUROPE!
nice country's have guns.
Lol England
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>>703032777
1 in every 180 people getting murdered is still ridiculously high...
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>>703039767

They're fun to shoot. Try it sometime.
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>>703041269
this. i love shooting cans. mexicans, africans puerto ricans
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>>703041243

There are some things CNN and NBC will never tell people...
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>>703041363
>i love shooting cans. mexicans, africans puerto ricans

It seems like a waste to shoot cans...
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>>703041772
its worth it to me
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>>703021599
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5MMgnMIpG4
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>>703040425
sadly that article is about the usa only.
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>>703021599
Because I have made better choices for defending your and my homes, families and country
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>>703021599
I want a gun that won't jam if you don't lube it every day and hits harder than a red ryder bb gun.
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>>703040425
nice
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>>703021599
Well in my country we don't need guns to protect our self from retarded idiots, because we don't have retarded idiots.
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>>703030855
>>703031463
>>703032798
http://www.personaldefenseworld.com/2015/10/10-shotgun-myths-busted/#10-shotgun-myths-busted-6
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>>703021599
>Why don't you defend your home, family and country with an AR-15 /b/?

I do. But this week I just bought a little gun ;)
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>>703042595
>I want a gun that won't jam if you don't lube it every day

Just about any S&W revolver.

AK-47 for the real guns.
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>>703030421
>5.56 penetrates less drywall than pistol in indoor situations.
A CO2 airsoft penetrates drywall no problem. 5.56 would make a hole big enough to walk through.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0qgQoej5zE
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>>703042982
nice. i got my XD-S a few weeks ago. single stack handguns are cool guy
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>>703042434
Wow. It that from The Matrix?
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>>703042132
kek

What does he say at the end there?
"And in such small portions"?
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>>703030421
>penetrates less drywall

You can easily fast forward through to the good parts of this video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AXOIQgfvVlE

Basically, if you want a gun that will not penetrate drywall you need to get a Nerf gun...
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lovely how all these americucks love their weapons

>> hur dur ma guns.

Fact is that weapons don't make a country safer.

Have fun killing yourselfs.
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>>703043510
I've been looking at an XD-S or a Shield.
Possibly up to a Beretta PX4 Compact Carry
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>>703043977

What were those rates from 1941 - 1943......
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>>703043977
Maybe, but at least we're not getting cucked by refugees.
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>>703044287
The PX4 compact doesn't have the cool rotating barrel of the normal PX4.
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>>703044287
i recommend the XD-S. I like it more than the shield. size wise they are nearly identical, XDS is barely slightly thinner and a tiny bit heavier by a few grams and has a longer barrel
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>>703044287

All great guns but they are each fairly different. It will come down to your own personal preference so go check them all out in person. One will probably stand out as being right for you.
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>>703044587
The compact does have that.
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>>703045132
Sorry, the compact carry doesn't have that.
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>>703022818
How fucking retarded are you? A shitty with buckshot will kill everyone on the other side of the fucking barrel. Handgun is the best home defense weapon you inbred twat
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>>703045055
I've held them all, and still can't decide.
There's a gun show coming up on Oct. 1, so I'm going to go try again.
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>>703045271
Everything I've seen says it does:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1O7yjbU1NKk
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>>703045282
>I've held them all, and still can't decide.

You might have to buy all of them...
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>>703045611
>I need a better job first
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>>703022818
Assault rifles are medium to close range the fuck are you on about?
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>>703022777
Don't need to protect my dishwasher, she has her own gun.
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>>703045720
>>I need a better job first

Yo will never have enough jobs to buy enough guns....
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>>703045478
I'll get it right eventually. The subcompact. The little one doesn't. It's 5:30 am and I've been awake all night. One thing about the rotating barrel, I have a Cougar and a PX4, it doesn't magically reduce recoil like people believe. Has more of a rearward push though.

Can also take out a small detent and convert an f to a g if you prefer a decocker to a safety.

>>703045728
"Assault rifle"
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>>703045834
>Don't need to protect my dishwasher, she has her own gun.

:D
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>>703044389
true, only mexicans and other latino sheit. Oh wait..
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