>>703021599 >defend your home >with and AR-15 What are the fucking triads after you? Fucking insecure cunt a shotgun is the best home defense weapon, CQC dumbass unless every room in your house is an acre you have no need for a 10 round 5.56 caliber rifle.
>>703021599 because of fucking socialism fucking up market mechanics
hitler didnt really die unfortunately he moved to australia under the pseudonym william murden klotz and is alive to this day (real birth year is 1899) and has been cancerously toxically contaminating everthing for the last 26 years of its peasent existence.
>>703023525 nobody needs em anyways, and before you bring up that "we need weapons in case our govt turns tyrannical" man an AR-15 aint gunna do shit to an armored truck with a 50 cal. mounted on top that shits gunna slap chop your ass in half before you hit the bullet proof windows.
Umm I live in a ghetto area, Its so bad I don't flinch at the sound of gunshots. Every weekend it's loud music and assholes taking turns unloading aks into god knows what. It usually starts with one retard shooting his pistol, then another faggot has to respond and fires his piece, this goes back and forth all night. U fucks got it ez in suburbia, huurr durrr home defense ar15 derp derp trump 2k16
>>703021599 >home The house I live in looks like a meth cookout on the outside and it's remote enough to not bother with.
>family Honestly? Cos I don't give a fuck about them. I don't have kids and I think it was a huge mistake of all my sisters when they had kids so really a killer would be doing me a favour no matter who they killed.
>country You do realise we have the most hated idiots running in the main parties yet everyine isstill so sackless that they won't vote 3rd party. This country did itself in, and the will of the people made it a country not remotely worth defending.
Retarded Canadian gun laws. I could buy one if I wanted, but I'd only be able to shoot it at a 25 meter indoor range (or else drive for like 2 hours to something else. Combined with the mag capacity limits, I see no point in bothering so far. When I have more money I'll probably buy one I just shoot pistols mainly
>>703021599 People wouldn't trust me with an AR-anything, rightfully so. I have a bad temper and poor impulse control. I've never hurt anyone, truthfully, but that doesn't mean I wouldn't ever have a moment of complete fucking stupidity and kill someone needlessly.
High velocity rounds going right through the walls and beyond. More useful for a ranged defense against something more siege style.
Your .45 is dated. I had a S&W .45 for a long time, learned to shoot with it. Switched to a Glock 19 both for capacity and the fact that if you're trying to induce hydrostatic shock in an attacker, both guns are effective. .45 has a nice slow heavy hit, while a glock has a nice fast light hit, but they'll both kill an attacker just the same if you hit an artery. Most guns will. Why would you limit yourself to 7 rounds? I'm a great shot, but I'd still rather have backup just in case.
Back to the AR-15, you're better served with a nice little pump 12 ga. Load it up with something smaller than deer but bigger than bird. Won't go through the walls as easily, patterns so you can still get hits under pressure, and won't jam.
I trust my Mini 14 more than my AR15, but I'd still take a manual fed short barrel shotgun for CC if I didn't have a handgun.
>>703022138 good luck finding someone who will sell. all the stores check ID now. before, they used to check ID, and make you sign something swearing you are not taking them to CA or NY. hear they dont do that anymore though
>>703024869 yea we'll throw them cum buckets to make their gears stall then we'll open their doors and mow them down with automatics and we'll continue doing this until we have a small army then they'll call in artillery from an arleigh burke and send us all to shit hmmmm seems like a good idea
>>703025610 heh yea you keep thinking that buddy, them jarheads, they dont work for you bud if our commander in chief tells them to fire upon civilian pop. you better turn and run like fuck because they're not going to think twice before sending you to heaven. And as for the firepower goes, yea in capable hands that shit can turn the tide of anything trust meh U.S. soldiers wether they be marines, airborne, rangers etc. they're loaded for bear and they sure as fuck know a whole lot more on how to handle a weapon as opposed to a normal gun fag that thinks they're fucken rambo. Gunna give you a scenario, Mexico narcs carry 50 cal. weapons, RPG's grenade launchers, 7.62 cal weapons basically really heavy firepower, and more times than not the well trained cops and marines fuck em up. Even though this scenario can be used to support your thought I used it becuase theyre trained for that shit the average american gun owner doesnt have the experience that soldiers carry on their belts a successful revolution would take years to get organized.
>>703026363 NOT AN ACCOMPLISHMENT? LAST I CHECKED THERE WAS ONLY ONE FLAG ON THE MOON. LAST I CHECKED WE WERE THE ONLY ONES TO USE NUKES LAST I CHECKED WE WERE NUMBER 1 IN EVERYTHING BUT BEING THIRD WORLD
>>703027100 Okay, so not total shit, ad for the basic model, direct gas system j to the chamber and bolt, hinged design made from aluminum, once star chamber is dirty l ll & lll type failures occur. Not total bad weapon, but if you want one that doesn't have prevalent issues, you're gonna spend some cash, and if you are gonna spend that much cash, in my opinion, I would go to a higher caliber and different platform.
Also I'm pretty sure all legitimately manufactured weapons were at one time legally purchased. Then they get stolen or sold illegally and some nigger shoots you with it. Most shootings don't involve random gunmen. It's usually some nigger shooting someone.
>>703027023 LAST TIME I CHECKED WE WERE NUMBER ONE IN FREEDOM AND THAT'S ALL THAT COUNTS >reds are brain dead >Europoors are fags >People in Africa are niggers and starving >Look at shitty Germany with Merkel >Tanks are shit in Poland >Obviously China sucks with child labour >Ten times the power of any other first world country >Houses in Asia collapse all the time >India is shit >Shitty third world countries don't have good Internet speeds >People starve in other countries >only Korea is the north >Spain is bankrupt >Trains derail in China >Ores and such are the only economy in some countries >Red China is oppressive >Young children die everywhere but in the US >Only America has been to the moon >Underneath America is everyone else >Reds are stupid >More freedom here >Only good country is America >More food >Dollars for all >Infections don't kill anymore here >Everyone is free >So many more reasons why US is the best
For more reasons read the first letter of every line
>>703027659 what? no im meant gun range shooting.. >and some nigger shoots you with it. kek nooice, nand ass for the niggs naww its not in their nature to commit mass shootings they tend to get you from teh back or in a pack but if your looking for a school or movie shooter then you look invest into the white men department my good man.
>>703027921 Jesus are you retarded? The russians did it the germans did it the french did it and in the civil war the union did it you fucking stupid scummy cunt bag check yo self befo you rek yo self faggot.
Ausfag here. We got some big fucking spiders and snakes, but nothing a shovel can't fix. Only reason to have anything bigger than a .22 is to take out wild pigs, and they aren't exactly common in most places.
>>703027261 ARs are not bad starter rifles, if you go with one, buy a piston driven system, and maybe one with a 2-stage completion trigger group. If oh shoot enough and get a mil spec rifle, I'll bet you'll upgrade the trigger group eventually anyway, so might as well start off with a 2-stage. M1As which are 7.62 nato, they are piston driven, round is heavier, and they are reliable and accurate. Styer Augs are being manufactured again. Pretty much boils down to what you plan on doing with it and how often you plan on shooting it. Price of ammo is not cheap anymore, so you might want to take into account the price of ammo for different types.
>>703027659 I don't have the time or the effort to discuss illegal use of firearms. Maybe you can find a different room for that. We are discussing firearms not what people commit illegal acts with them.
>>703026780 Number 1 in health care costs Number 1 in uncovered health care Number 1 in 1st world poverty rates Number 1 in gun deaths Number 1 in murders in general Number 1 in suicides Number 1 in infant mortality in 1st world countries Number 1 in corporate corruption Number 1 in tax evasion Number 1 in political corruption Number 1 in lowest minimum wage. One of the only countries that has a minimum wage lower than it's living wage. Number 1 in FUCKING RETARDED POLITIANS RUNNING FOR OFFICE. Number 1 in morons that think america is actually great.
Firing nukes *isn't* a good thing, and everyone ACTUALLY involved regrets it, massively. One of the worst actions we as a country have EVER taken.
>>703029323 >Big talk hahahahaha aww the pussy is butt hurt because someone said a mean word to him over the internets hahaha fucking crybaby nobody is on ttopic in here you worthless cunt so why dont you fuck off to /pol with your bull shit comments
>>703029484 Sir, I do not have any political motives to push, nor do I want to talk about politics. You sir, are not being kind, and that is not polite. Maybe the world lacks what you lack, a little respect for all people. That is all.
>>703022818 How the fuck is a shotgun better for home defense? You have 9 projectiles minimum each with a different trajectory. I prefer a compact .40 pistol with hollow points for home defense. The shorter barrel ballistics are way more refined for indoor length defense especially if you want to limit collateral damage. The shorter barrel means no overkill velocity just enough to expand the hollow round.
>>703029580 you didnt have to use green text for that you dumb faggot >>703029695 hahahaha what a good comeback cuck, its more likely for the world to end that it is for you to leave your moms basement
>>703023929 Being armed is better than being unarmed. With a rifle at least you can shoot at the gunner. If you don't have a gun what are you going to do, throw rocks at him? Use the weapons you have to steal better weapons. Don't forget there will be sympathizers in the military who will help out as well. "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time by the blood of patriots and tyrants."
>>703029820 >I prefer a compact .40 pistol with hollow points for home defense. The shorter barrel ballistics are way more refined for indoor length defense especially if you want to limit collateral damage. The shorter barrel means no overkill velocity just enough to expand the hollow round.
>>703029959 mmm sorreh >>703029989 honestly apart from the shit posting yea there would be alot of soldiers that would defect but ultimatley our govt would collapse and we'd be taken over by the ruskies and the chinks
>>703029820 Simple, have you ever shot a firearms in a house? Sheetrock is pretty thin when it comes to projectiles, pistol and rifle rounds travel farther through a house than shotgun rounds that are for home defense. Plus have you ever tried to aim a pistol or rifle in the dark in your house, they are firearms that require you to aim, because you are firing one round at a time, that leaves a lot of room for error in accuracy. Shotguns can be pointed in general directions and be affective. Take some home defense classes.
Yeah a pistol is way more practical than a long rifle for CQ. Your goal is to defend yourself reasonably not destroy the offenders funeral and wind up in civil court. No long rifles for home defense regardless of caliber or shell.
>>703030140 Thank you Fine fucking choice in caliber. Consider compact .40 w/ rail for light You wont regret.
>>703030140 .40 cals are high pressure rounds, much more than 9mm and 45 cal. The muzzle velocity in a .40 cal would definitely exclude it from being the ideal home defense firearm. As for short barrel, it takes a lot of practice to be efficient with a short barrel pistol. The sight picture between the front aight and rear sight is shorter, therefore, shorter barrels are more difficult to aim and hit a target accurately.
i really do feel bad for our California brothers, along with those in the non-free states. side note, ive actually considered setting up some form of high cap mag smuggling operation but it just seems too costly.
>>703028131 America doesn't have good internet either, you ignorant peice of shit. Sweden and Japan completely shit all over American internet speed, and the ISPs here cuck every single person in the country.
>>703030919 I tend to agree as far as the state of this country and the day to day idiocy I come accross. And to think 90%+ of my ancestors died so you guys could fuck up an actually pretty good idea (constitution).
I still support gun rights though. Because the world is a shitty place.
>>703030552 >Consider compact .40 w/ rail for light I have a pair of Sig 239s in 40 S&W (affectionately named Selene and Selena) in a dual-holster shoulder rig that I carry when the alarm at my business goes off at 3 am. I've got an aversion to putting a light on a gun. It, pretty much, makes a nice target. If I need a light, it's a flashlight held to my side.
>>703025848 Amerifag here. Literally used my ak47 1 week ago to get some crazy Crack head bitch out of my house. Didn't shoot anyone, no cops were called. But no you are right, guns don't solve any problems
>>703030403 not him, but apparently you are retarded so you might want to check into that there was no "swapping" of anything that's an original
oh, and btw, maybe you want to check your facts because literally each and every one of those mass shooters were REGISTERED DEMOCRATS that's just a fact and is so well known at this point that your post claiming the image is photoshopped is just a further testament to what bunch of bold-faced liars Democrats are and how they always engage in sad little propaganda campaigns full of lies to meet their personal agenda ($ and power)
go give a kiss to your corporate and Wall Street Masters now, won't you?
>>703031531 Must have light to properly defend yourself Lighting offers information to make better decisions. >Compact high output lights can disorient the intruder "deer in the highlights" while you're Identifying the target. I want to know if its a girl breaking in. Im not shooting a girl or an adolescent. However I do keep restraints to as an option. It could be a lot of fun. Way better than immediately having a dead child, woman, unknown bleeding out all over your shit.
>>703031463 Okay, for one, short barrel and high pressure do not mix or help each other out in any way shape or form. Shorter barrels are harder to control and usually the shooter experiences more recoil from the firearm. Higher pressure of the round will make the firearm travel upward more, which makes recovery longer to regain a sight picture making it less accurate. Golden rules to all firearms: the smaller the firearm, the more recoil and less accurate it will be. The bigger the firearm, the more bulky and heavy it will be. Have you ever wondered why women do not like to shoot snub nose .380's, because it only allows the shooter to have a four finger grip in the shooting hand, harder to aim and the recoil can be felt more because of the weaker grip.
>>703031463 It ain't cloak and dagger shit chum. It's shoot first, don't miss, and kill. Shotgun beats pistol all day long. Only an idiot would bring a pistol to a shotgun fight, esepcially at close range and in the dark.
You also seem to miss the concept of spread, stopping power, guaranteed pellets in vitals if you just shoot in the general direction, and oh yeah, you can put down multiple bands of niggers with one shot.
Get a clue, dumbfuck, and stop playing into guns as a hobby. When you rack up enough kills, you get to talk. Otherwise, you are a weekend warrior wannabe killer who likes to jack off to squirtguns.
>>703031954 Home defense, 10 ft, but think about this, you're asleep, you wake up in a stopper because of sounds in the house, you panic, not thinking straight, adrenaline is pumping, breathing erratically, thinking erratically, if you have to grab a pistol in the dark and under those circumstances have to aim and fire accurately within seconds from being woken up, you have better be the most best trained pistol shooter in the world and practice shooting under those circumstances all the time in order to be effective. Me, I'll stick with a shogun, but I do have two pistols on my night stand. JIC.
>>703032195 By the time you are done fucking around playing with lights and thinking about strategy, I will have pumped all your vitals full of lead shot and you will be dead before your hit the ground.
>>703033060 Well I'm not here to sway away an inexperienced shooters opinions. I am just putting on the /b/ what I have learned through my experience over many years dealing with firearms. That example you replied to mostly pertains to pistols.
>>703032246 Why are you such a pussy. There are plenty of .40 compacts with well sized grips But I see your point not everyone is like me and may prefer other shit
>>703032798 Listen up fuckstick you're not trying to spray pulverized anatomy all over the fucking place and changing your life around this traumatizing event. Another thing I have pistol semi auto 12g and an ar. When I hear a bump I dont pull out 20 inches of fucking steel and parade my property. I pick up my little compact .40 with a light clear the property and set it on the kitchen counter while I get a fucking snack and go back to fucking bed. At no point during this do I appear to be a heavily armed naked retard sociopath ready to pulverize my fucking life with your anatomy.
>>703033031 Streamlight trigger switch it my flash of light is accompanied by barrel flash >you're silouette is defined and you are hit vitally before your reflexes can sight me in
>>703033850 Don't get me wrong I've shot competitions with G35's. I have no problem with any size pistol. My whole statement is and was that in my opinion for home defense shotguns would be my primary go to, then I would use my pistols until they went dry, and probably use them as a club after that.
>>703033367 Jeezus, I'm not going to answer your dumbass questions nor debate with you. You are literally just too fucking dumb. You obviously know very little about anything and can't even seem to figure out that you can control the spread based on a number of factors.
Here's a clue dumb fucker: You aren't turkey hunting with a SBE, you have a SOSG for HD. At that barrel length the spread is huge, then you factor in the cylinder bore modified for HD, pick a cartridge for increased spread, throw a choke, etc.
Faggot, you don't know shit and shouldn't even be posting.
>>703033875 Well it's nice to hear you have your family sorted out. Whenever you and your family would like to come out of the dark ages and integrate with the rest of the modern world, we would be happy to have you all.
This guy >>703033850 is fucking retarded. He sounds more and more retarded with each fucking post and spews more and more bullshit.
Asswipe, I've done 5 tours in the arena, ranking and decorated, and put down more bodies and seen far more shit than your little panzy ass gun aficionado club membership team could jerk off to in a thousand lifetimes. It's amusing to those of us who actually know what we are talking about and have faced death and been through many gun fights have to listen to on retard boards like 4chan from little faggots like you with a collection of pistols to jerk off to.
You keep your pistol your fucking moron. You don't know shit about shit and that is clear to all of us. Idgaf if you die and while bleeding out remember you shouldn't have listened to a guy on the internet who told you that if you wanted to protect yourself, stop being an armchair gun fag who plays with flashlights and shit and actually learn to kill and learn what works in a real killing situation and under what circumstances. Those who know are laughing at your dumbass right now talking about pistols. Even a complete pleb knows a pistol is no fucking match against a shotgun. Period.
You play with your flashlight and fanboy through gun magazines. Meanwhile, when you come into my house with your 3 CC pistols, I'll be behind the bed or around the corner, reach out with my sawed off and pump the entire room full of lead. It will be fun to hear your death whine all about "hurr durr pistolaaaaassssss . . ."
>>703034539 actually, pretty much everything he has said is spot on m8 it's you that sounds dumb no offense, but like others have said, maybe you need to stop posting you are embarrassing yourself badly
>>703034594 I don't know if you have ever shot somebody that had the intent to harm you. The whole point of shooting someone is to make them bleed out in enough time before they can do any physical harm to a person or family member. It could take multiple shots from a pistol to make this happen, vital organs have to be hot and bleeding has to happen quick and fast. Have you ever heard of the 3-21 rule, it takes a person 3 seconds to travel 21 feet. Someone armed with a knife or blunt object could be a real problem if you value living. You have to become aware of the situation, respond to the situation, take action (aim & fire) and hope you have hit enough vital organs that that threat will come to a complete stop in under 3 seconds. So, yes, shot as many times and accurately to ensure safety. That's why a shotgun is preferred, because of the spread of the pattern at such a close range it will maximize hits on target.
>>703034945 holy fuck you are quite the dullard m8 are you even old enough to be here? it's hard to believe an adult is literally this dumb what's funny is you are calling others morons and retards yet there's at least 5 different anons that have responded to you recognizing how ignorant yet arrogant you sound sad that people like this exist
>>703022818 FACT, shotgun slugs, and shotgun buck shot have greater penetration values of drywall and other building materials commonly use in this day in age. >FACT a shotgunasand a ar 15 both share teh exact same instictive point and shoot firing methods >fact, a shotgun, shooting buckshot, irdshot, etc does NOT experience significant increase in spread at teh ranges of within ones home.
The fact is, if you are gonna use a long gun to defend yourself or your home, shotguns, and rifles ARE INTERCHANGABLE
>>703035477 Oh, so you are just a common citizen. No wonder you know so little yet spew so much as though you know something. What a joke you are. Oh, and fyi, even for common citizens like you, they are 100% legal if within barrel length and sold by a number of mfrs. Oh, and fyi, even if not, you can register it, dumbass.
>>703025060 Tell me about. I live in California and work for law enforcement. Shit is still annoying purchasing firearms or even getting a concealed firearm permit. Most cops back up is held illegally because reasons. My buddy who does drug bust got wind of illegal firearms going for a fraction of the price cali sells legal firearms
>>703035146 Your home is not a damn battlefield mate. Im sorry about your PTSD. Im not bashing your logic im just saying Im not the type of person to fuck somebody up real bad in my house. It's my fucking house I dont want his anatomy defining it so Ill stay with my compact .40 with hollows.
>>703035400 No I get it. Thats where the hollows come in and do their thing. If he's still coming at me he gets another but im damn sure he'll get knocked by one on center mass
>>703021599 I'd rather stick with my dad's old colt 1911 that he gave me. I prefer it over the shotgun or any rifle due to the short barrel being more ideal for close quarters and can be fired with one hand leaving the other free. It's concealable. 8 rounds max with one in the chamber, reloading is quicker than a rifle or shotgun. Less collateral damage to my home compared to the spread of shotgun shells. I highly doubt a home invasion would involve more than 5 and even that's a stretch. If I can't defend myself against one or 2 men with 8 rounds then we'll I deserve to die for being a lousy shot (I'm decent).
>>703036464 Just use as many rounds as it takes to stop the threat. Use your best judgement. Other things to consider, what if you have to move past the threat to check on kids or leave a confined space? If the threat is not fully incompacitated then it might be a treat behind you, a lot of what ifs, but what if they have s getaway car near by with backup? Might get caught in between threats, it is better to be sure than have to deal with multiple threats. Use as many rounds as it takes. Just good for thought.
>>703022138 Why don't you get the cali legal 30+ round mags. Looks like shit but it does the job. Go to a gun show and you'll find them. They are expensive but legal. It's like 3+ 10 round mags combined in this plastic thing ama Bob.
>>703021599 There's no need. People in the area know better than to drive past my house faster than 30mph, out of towners avoid the place because of all the bombed out buildings and bullet-riddled cars (they were there when I moved in, some real classics), and the meth-heads are all total bros, never any guff. The only thing I need fear are bears, boars, and helicopters. CO2 cannons, the big one bisected a Camaro engine with a five pound projectile. Regulations? I think not.
>>703036694 >Only in America where you'll get sued for defending your house, family, life and actually might lose.
18-1-704.5. Use of deadly physical force against an intruder
(1) The general assembly hereby recognizes that the citizens of Colorado have a right to expect absolute safety within their own homes.
(2) Notwithstanding the provisions of section 18-1-704, any occupant of a dwelling is justified in using any degree of physical force, including deadly physical force, against another person when that other person has made an unlawful entry into the dwelling, and when the occupant has a reasonable belief that such other person has committed a crime in the dwelling in addition to the uninvited entry, or is committing or intends to commit a crime against a person or property in addition to the uninvited entry, and when the occupant reasonably believes that such other person might use any physical force, no matter how slight, against any occupant.
(3) Any occupant of a dwelling using physical force, including deadly physical force, in accordance with the provisions of subsection (2) of this section shall be immune from criminal prosecution for the use of such force.
(4) Any occupant of a dwelling using physical force, including deadly physical force, in accordance with the provisions of subsection (2) of this section shall be immune from any civil liability for injuries or death resulting from the use of such force.
>>703038023 I have a love hate relationship with cali. The people here can be so fucking retarded that it's just not funny anymore.I got yelled at by a civilian I pulled over for speeding and got called a Cis sexist pig. I was just going to warn her but after that bs and making my in n out burger cold I wrote her a ticket.
Because I don't live in a waste heap known as America and the only real guns I've seen outside of a military base are sidearms safely on the belts of police officers. Never heard one fired, don't care. My family and "property" are completely fine and I don't regret for one second letting the delinquent who broke into my car live. I'm not a vigilante who performs impromptu death sentences on the slightest of misbehaviours.
May/15 = 1.6 Million - New Record June/15 = 1.5 Million - New Record July/15 = 1.6 Million - New Record Augest/15 = 1.7 Million - New Record September/15 = 1.8 Million - New Record October/15 = 1.98 million - New Record November/15 = 2.24 Million - New Record December/15 = 3.3 Million - New Record January/16 = 2.55 Million - New Record February/16 = 2.61 Million - New Record March/16 = 2.52 Million - New Record April/16 = 2.15 Million - New Record May/16 = 1.86 Million - New Record June/16 = 2.13 Million - New Record July/16 = 2.20 Million - New Record August/16 = 1.85 Million - New Record
>>703045478 I'll get it right eventually. The subcompact. The little one doesn't. It's 5:30 am and I've been awake all night. One thing about the rotating barrel, I have a Cougar and a PX4, it doesn't magically reduce recoil like people believe. Has more of a rearward push though.
Can also take out a small detent and convert an f to a g if you prefer a decocker to a safety.
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