If you have to kill something, at least eat it and dont waste it... i'd never be a hunter, but I'm fine with them. The ones who kill for sport or do safari shit should be beaten with their guns and raped by the animal they wanted to kill.
>>702958126 What pushed me passed the sentiments you share into vegetarianism was how the animals destined for becoming food were treated on their way to the table. Just a lot of unnecessary suffering.
In some cases: >African governments have given local tribes the task of protecting threatened species of wildlife. >As a form of payment for guarding the wildlife from poachers the government allows these tribes to sell a few hunting licenses every once in a while. >Each hunting license creates hundreds or thousands of US dollars of income for the tribe. >That's a shit load of $ in Africa >The tribes have an incentive to protect the wildlife from poachers.
>>702959207 There's also a difference between being dependent on ranchers for meat, and being able to get it yourself. Another point is farm raised meat isn't as good, both taste, health, and economy wise.
>>702959402 I understand and respect your thought. I simply think that dead animals i buy at the store are already dead, so they dont mind if i eat them... i really love meat but at the same time i think animals shouldn't suffer or be killed for sport or amusement
If they eat it I have zero problem with it there isn't any difference between that and getting packaged meat If they do it for sport and needlessly kill an animal or go and kill lions giraffes etc that noone eats it's pointless and they are scumbags
loling at all the faggots who are against trophy hunting or hunting for sport. The population has to be reduced to a sustainable level one way or the other. Whether I eat or stuff the thing afterwards is irrelevant. It's my kill and my business. Anyone who says different needs to go back to facebook/reddit because you're nothing but a moralfaggot.
Hunters should be prosecuted. They are fucking retards
If they're religious, they'll know that we are gods stewards on earth, and we have a responsibility to treat the planet and its inhabitants with respect
If they're not religious, they'll know that hunting is unnecessary nowadays, and is cruel.
But seeing as hunters are mostly inbred hillbilly amerifags, they don't know shit.
And for those who say that it's manly to hunt, what the fuck is so manly about shooting a fucking animal? If anything, modern hunters are fucking pussy bitches. It'd be manly if they used a bow and arrow that they made themselves, or a flint knife they made. But these fucking rednecks are such wusses that the y use guns and act fucking macho about it.
Modern hunters are retards, and are a disgrace to real hunters anyway
>>702957205 If you eat your game, then its fine, if you're doing it for sport and nothing else, just be a normal person and adopt some animal from a shelter and abuse the fuck out of it. Same thing right?
>>702962133 That doesn't happen legally anymore. Organized and licensed hunting does more to protect ecosystems which man has upset than letting the ecosystems sort themselves out would. Animals go extinct for reasons other than hunting all the time. You're attempting to create an issue where none exists.
>>702962321 i disagree bro, i think hunting is great, you get fresh, untouched, organic meat, and you arent buying food that supports animal abuse, you are quickly ending the life of an animal, they will most likely feel no pain, and they lived a normal life, this isnt bambi where the babies become retarted bitches and are sad and shit, they will probably forget there mom even died the next morning, you are retarted for saying otherwise tbh
>>702957205 You know, there are: >Professional hunters, who kill the old, wounded, sick animals, also trying to balance the wildlife by taking on spicies with rapidly groving numbers. >Retards who buy a gun and run around the forest shooting everything that moves. In a country with decent regulation (both for gun ownership and hunting) only the professionals exist legally.
>>702957205 Why do hunters get off on shit like this? I now some drink a cup of their kill's blood after they slit the neck. I support hunting/hunters/gun rights and all, but this aspect of it seemed sick in the head
>>702962321 Yeah but the thing is I don't care. Animals aren't people. Their suffering matters less than humans.
The question isn't whether animals should be kept from suffering, because as we've established that doesn't matter. The question is whether option A causes them less suffering than option B, and which option is better for humans. Me shooting some deer is gonna cause it less suffering than a cougar tearing its throat out, and it's more fun for me, the human.
I love hunting, everything I kill is eaten. No trophies and bullshit like that, I don't even take pictures. Hunting should be something people do to eat, not something they do just because it's fun. I went to a guys house with my dad when I was little, avid hunter, at least thats how he described himself. All I saw we're countless animal heads, even complete animals, stuffed and displayed in his living room. Alot of them weren't even animals people eat. Fucking tigers, a lion, other large cats. Wolves, deer, moose, basically everything people hunt he's killed. I remember how it pissed me off too, he said he doesn't keep any of the meat and a lot of it is left for local wildlife. That was the day I decided trophy hunters are fucking cancer and have no respect for the animals they kill, all they see is a trophy and bragging rights. Fuck them.
>>702962981 >Hunting should be something people do to eat, not something they do just because it's fun. I take it you're not American. Otherwise you'd know that what I do with what I kill is none of your business as long as the kill is humane.
>>702961164 I know. So what? They wont stop killing animals in slaughterhouses only because i dont buy meat at the store... also i prefer to buy meat at the butchers shop because its meat it's not from intensive breeding
>>702963063 Im sure what he meant was, overpopulation is a result of the meat industry. We believe we do not have enough resources because all of them are going towards raising animals for food. The amount of food and water animals, especially cows consume, would be enough to feed the world.
>>702963195 Except it does. Factory farming enables people who would otherwise be unable to afford meat to serve it to their children nightly. The suffering of animals results in greater happiness for humans.
>>702963063 Overpopulation is a function of resource consumption. It's about exceeding the CARRYING CAPACITY of a given environment, which is strictly dependent on the usage of that environment's limited resources.
Raising meat like cows for consumption is INCREDIBLY inefficient compared to just growing produce.
I really don't understand why you have such a hard time following these facts.
>>702963009 >aspire to be more than base animals by that logic I shouldn't give a shit if I'm cruel to an animal, because we aspire to be above them, thus they are inferior and don't deserve a second thought.
>>702963252 I've stated elsewhere, hunting for food is fine. Heck, it's probably even better than eating farmed meat. But idiots who take their kids out to go shed unnecessary blood for shits and giggles are completely unjustified
>be me >grow up in Yukon, Canada (north AF) >hunt from a young age >eaten everything I have ever shot >have eaten raw heart, bone marrow because I have native buddies id hunt with >despise trophy hunters
Wouldn't an animal be happier if it lived it's life naturally, healthily in its native environment, then one day was shot and eaten opposed to:
>Raised in a tiny box with no natural light >fed no natural foods, hormones and steroids >live and die in their own shit
There are bad hunters, but the cruelty animals live in on farms is much worse Anyone who eats meat but is against hunting is literally retarted
>>702963516 I still don't see how ending meat farming would reduce the population. Also, we grow plenty of veg incase you hadn't noticed. So tell me, how would growing more veg lead to billions of humans dying off and the population reducing far enough for it to be considered balanced population.
>>702963756 that's not what I said. I said because they are below me, then I shouldn't care if it's cruel to them. that is not the same as saying animals don't matter at all. You're really shit at making any sort of point against hunting.
>>702963896 i agree with what you said, but I think calling them retarded takes away from the message, they're just uneducated, but with the right information, their perspective could completely flip in a positive way.
>>702963638 But you don't know if the little girl and her family ate the meat or not. Sure, they enjoy the sport of hunting, but that doesn't necessarily mean they just glory kill everything. Maybe you oughta stop jumping to massive conclusions and making sweeping generalizations.
>>702963797 >>702963891 >no argument found >>702963956 Your freedom of speech does not trump my freedom to do what I please with my property. You can express your hurt feelings and inability to understand liberty all you want but it doesn't have any bearing on what I do with my kill. You have the reasoning skills of a child.
>>702957205 It takes practically no skill to hunt deer. Skinning them properly and cooking the meat without making it chewy is 6 million times more difficult. I'm fine with hunters... as long as they eat the kill. But I've seen plenty of the wrong sort in my day.
>>702963938 Crops grown in poorer countries are sold to the West to support the cattle industry.
Worldwide, cows consume around 45 billion gallons of water a day, and eat around 135 billion pounds of feed a day, that's enough to feed 10 billion people. Getting rid of animal agriculture would be the best thing that happened to humanity in a long time. Not to mention, stopping the consumption of animal products would save tons of land, including rain forests which 91% of have been lost in order to feed livestock. Much less land can be used to feed the world with foods that contain the necessary macro and micronutrients. What im about to tell you says it all.
1.5 acres can produce 37, 000lbs of plant based food. while 1.5 acres can produce 375lbs of meat.
>>702957205 i'd fucking love to go out and shoot an animal and bring home enough meat to put in the freezer and last a few months. i love steaks and stews and such, i think it's fucking awesome that some people live in countries where you can go out and do that instead of buying stupidly overpriced meat in stores.
But the joy this bitch takes in eating this poor animals heart makes me think she doesn't really grasp that she just ended a life with the pull of a trigger. She just killed something that would have been alive and healthy if she wasn't there
This kid and her dad seem kinda psycho, so I think I am right to assume they kill for fun. If a little kid is so comfortable taking an animals life, who's to say she won't murder a person some day? All you hunters go on about how animals don't matter as much as humans, but did her dad stop to think what psychological effects his little "hobby" is having on his kid?
>>702964118 Nope...just realized the effects of the meat and dairy industry on the planet and my own body and decided it's not for me. Nothing wrong with that. Eat meat all you want, I don't care. It's just not something I will do.
>>702964261 once again, you're being a dumb faggot. you said hunting was cruel and that we are more than just base anomals, therefore shouldn't hunt because it's cruel. I didn't say I was going to torture an animal, I said if I'm above a base animal, then hunting it, the cruelty factor doesn't matter because they are base animals compared to me. are you seriously not retarded for using this arguements?
you're telling people humans are above animals, but that we should care if shooting and eating them is somehow cruel.
>>702963554 Stfu vegan. Jesus christ. I would think that hunting is better than farm raising. At least the hunted have a chance to live and get away. Farm raised animals are raised to slaughter, which i think is still fair. Go murder some more plants ya faggot
>>702964763 Lol, I don't think lefties believe humans aren't on top. If anything, it's teaching the kid that she's better than everything, and that killing for fun is acceptable. Seems like a great way to raise a psychopath
Oh my God this thread is cancer. Everyone here has their stupid views and it's all shit. It's like who really gives a shit? It you don't like hunting then don't hunt. If you like hunting then hunt. No matter the reason.
>>702964862 Exactly. Their primary utility to humans is to be hunted. A cat, meanwhile, is much more useful as a companion. A dog is more useful as a guard or a hunting partner. We don't kill them and eat them because they actually have a use.
>>702964401 if you got rid of animal production, that feed wouldn't go to feeding other humans. if they continued producing at that rate, they'd flood the food market and crash it. Farmers would then go bankrupt, eventually you'd have no food at all.
you have to change how food in general is produced and sold first, good luck with that.
>>702960840 Most venison is much more free-range and drug-free than beef. Deer are stressed by conventional farming which taints the meat, so they are left in free-roaming herds and only farmed at cull time, often at range with a rifle.
>>702964554 >it's a retarded argument >doesn't bother providing a refutation >doesn't bother refuting why I have the legal right You sound butthurt to the point your brain stopped working. Kind of seems like you were raised by a single mother and now you can only argue from emotion.
>>702964701 A good person who feels that taking a life is no big deal, and thinks that a pull of the trigger can solve her problems. A person who likes to shed blood because it's fun. Sounds more like a budding murderer than a good person to be honest
>>702964806 becouse it has close to nothing calories. >Its like saying that a Lada is better than a ferrari, becouse it gets mor miles pes gallon. also, huge percentage of most plants weight will go just right trough you, becouse our digestive system wasnt designed to break down cellulose and certain kinds of starch. >meat is just a lot more efficent by weight.
>>702965154 But that generalization is true. The concept of personal liberty is inherent to our national character and if you don't understand and defend personal liberty, then you really aren't an American. Sorry that you thought that was a debatable point. It's not.
>>702965233 There's nothing there to refute. You're falling back on legal rights when a) laws are mutable and b) you could very easily argue from a moral or logical stance. I give ten to one odds you're a "muh principles" cuckservative.
>Hunting is good because without it the deer population would spiral out of control >Hunting is good because animals exist to serve humans, and deer are best used as game >Hunting is good because I'm allowed to by the state
>>702965227 >But she is better than the deer she killed, and hunting for fun is acceptable
I agree that she's better than the deer. But does being better than something justify you putting a bullet in its head? What if she decided to carry over that logic to people she feels she is better than?
And your second "point" isn't even a point. How is it acceptable?
>>702965385 we didn't normally cook meat you idiot. we discovered that cooking it makes it easier to eat, I.E. your body breaks down the product easier, thus you get more out of each meal. it's the same reason we cook vegetables even though we can eat them raw as well.
cooking is the reason your brain is the way it is today you moron.
>>702965385 Are you fucking retarded? We evolved to eat cooked meat because we learnt how to cook. You know, because we're intelligent? That is what nature intended. Or are you suggesting that evolution isn't natural?
>>702965547 >laws are mutable God given rights aren't. Try reading more and talking less. :) >you could very easily argue from a moral or logical stance I don't need to because I have rights. Why would I bother arguing from a lesser position than my established rights? Because you need me to do that so your feelings matter? No, retard. You lose.
>>702965562 Deer are inferior to humans, and, like all other animals, exist basically for humanity's use. Deer can serve humans best as targets (and later on, food). Therefore it's completely acceptable to hunt them and kill them.
Humans aren't deer, and if you can jump from "it's okay to shoot a game animal" to "it's okay to shoot a non-hostile fellow human" then you were mentally ill to begin with.
Disney fucking ruined the world. Humans are omnivores. We evolved to eat both plants and animals. There are too many people in this world, too far removed from nature. Food doesn't just magically appear in a grocery store. Get out of your wretched urban environment and kill something to eat.
>>702965963 >Can we live on a plant base no we cant. You'll eventually succumb to some sort of deficiency. you may live for a long time, but not as long as you would have with a balanced diet that includes lean protein.
>>702957205 Hunters are fine. Dumb-asses that hunt (see your pic) are like dumb-asses that do anything else: annoying and a reason we should seriously consider implementing a euthanasia/eugenics program.
I'm not much of a hunter myself. I've done it before, but it's just not my cup-o-tea. I do like to fish a bit however, so it a similar activity. Dumb-ass redneck garbage try their best to ruin it for everyone. On the river or lake they are mainly just drunk, loud, and throw their garbage everywhere. Hunting though...it's not rare for them to shoot one another. Which I'd be fine with, but sometimes it's people who don't deserve their subhuman bullshit that get it.
>>702966054 If i ate the same weight of fucking salad that i usually eat in meat, id be hungry again in a hour or so. Meat just fills you up metter mang. >>702965963 If you trully go vegan and wont take supplements, you will be weak as shit, and more prone to catching diseases becouse your misunderstanding of human biology killed your own immune system.
>>702966451 >The founding document of the country that runs the planet Are you so far up your own underage ass that you actually, genuinely, unironically believe that America "runs the world"? You seriously need to do yourself a favor and travel a little bit. You'll see soon enough Europeans, Asians, South Americans and everyone else either don't give two fucks about America or hate us cause we breed American-centristic faggots such as yourself. We don't run shit except ourselves and we're running it into the ground
>>702966796 you're probably the same faggot in the thread yesterday where anon said he was a doctor and told you the tests that you have to request in order to see how fucked you really are, because normal blood tests you get are base line, and you just ignored him by saying he wasn't a doctor.
>>702966932 America does hold a large amount of power on the international stage, though they mostly use it to push poz and degeneracy on everyone else. >Europeans American or Russian vassal states >Asians Chinese, Russian, or American vassal states >South Americans Who cares
>>702967030 Name an animal that humans couldn't push to extinction. Usefulness to humans is the only thing that matters to me, because I'm a human and I want what's best for humans. What's good for the animal is what's irrelevant.
>>702966846 Well that's a tad closed minded. What actually allows US to live is the ecosystem as a whole. From plant life to microorganisms to insects and all that shit, that's what keeps us alive. We don't unlimited power over nature. If you were actually a hunter you would have a little more respect for the environment that keeps humans alive. Not the other way around. Underage detected. Sage.
>>702957205 Theres different hunters. Trophy hunters and hunters that hunt and intend on eating what they kill. If you can go to the store and eat meat but have an issue tracking, killing and butchering an animal its kind of hypocritical. Its not pleasant but it's what life is and we've become detached from it because we arent in the food chain anymore. Life begets life in a constant cycle and quite frankly nature ruthlessly doesn't give a fuck about how you feel
>>702967153 >im 70 kgs 11% body fat percentage. >Yes, i can eat whatever the fuck i want, becouse my metabolism wont let me gain weight for some fucking reason. Of coure i eat snacks. It helps me get trough the day.
Tardigrades will be travelling the galaxy long after humans are extinct. They can survive deep space by freezing their whole body, and when they come out of stasis they absorb new genetic material from the environment and actively evolve based on surrounding life forms.
>>702967101 first, the food you eat is probably genetically modified and our enriched with supplements without your knowledge, so technically you're wrong no matter what, but when you come down with a completely preventable disorder in your later years, refrain from going to a hospital or doctor to have it treated with medicines or supplements that were probably created by use of animals.
>>702966932 Protip: The only country that America doesn't run is Russia, and that's only because we need a "big bad" to keep our military industrial scheme of providing protection to all the literal faggots in europe who were dumb and childish enough to put all of their money into "free" health care and education instead of protecting themselves from inevitable military threat. We subsidize the military spending of more than half the planet. The day we stop patrolling the world's seas or stop giving assurances that our armies will enforce local order, the world economy collapses and micro wars send the planet into a dark age.
Just because you don't want to believe things are the way they are because of your childish fever dream of self determination doesn't mean the dream is true.
>>702967250 I could kill my entire family while they sleep. I just don't see that as a logical, morally acceptable thing to do. That doesn't mean they should all thank me for not murdering them, that's just stupid.
In the same way, just because we have the power to kill any animal, doesn't make that a logical, moral option. You can't just assume you have the right to do something just because it is within your power
>>702967127 You know at first I was hoping this was bait, but now I realize there are morons out there that actually believe we still hold some sort of ground compared to China and Russia. We are not the super power we used to be and you need to stop being so ignorant. 1/10 for making me reply
>>702967771 The reason China is a power is because we have a symbiotic relationship with them. Without our business those poor little chinks starve. I bet you're one of those fucktards who thinks they're going to come to collect on the money we allowed them to invest in us. kek
>>702968249 kek, China exports all around the world. They are buddies with America cos you guys have a big political presence. And because they've seen that you faggots just look for the tiniest excuse to start a fight, and aren't afraid to use nukes for essentially no reason
>>702968278 you're right, we do owe the strongest country 17 trillion dollar.... ourselves.
about 90% of the money we owe, is to the private sector within the U.S. you brainwashed faggot. we owe China the tune of about 3 trillion dollars, but if you take into account the bonds that China are still defaulting on (research China pre communism government) that they swore to everyone they would honor, they owe us around 3.5 trillion.
fuck off with your we owe China a shit load of money arguement, we owe ourselves a fuckton.
>>702968086 Not really, populations are leveling out or decreasing in most industrialized nations, because kids are expensive and they only make you any money if you own a farm.
>but it's still increasing in undeveloped countries!!! Yeah, but they don't use many resources, they can literally have 10X the population and still not contribute as much to overpopulation as those countries that are no longer increasing in population.
Also, it's a good reason to promote development in the third world. >you know, if new markets and income sources weren't enough motivation.
>>702957205 People who hunt just to hunt are skum. Its just killing for the sake of killing.
Hunting is necessary to control certain animal populations since we killed off most other predators.
I have no problem with people who elect to hunt for food. It is way more honest then domesticating animals to make them easier to kill; with hunting the animal knows its food and doesnt think you are going to feed it or be its friend.
I have the utmost respect for people whu sustenance hunt. That can be a tough life.
>>702968460 We're their number one customer. If your number one customer stops allowing you to pay a billion people slave wages, those billion people don't make enough to eat. Sales volume doesn't magically appear out of nowhere. The rest of the world isn't going to magically need more products from chinese manufacturers to make up for America no buying from them anymore.
You have a very juvenile understating of how the world works.
>>702968884 they also don't understand that it's being discovered that China is in a FUCKTON of debt. And with a GDP that is still half of what the U.S. has, with a population that's over triple ours, they're in big trouble.
it's one of the reasons they're dumping so much steal in the world right now, they kept manufacturing without customers to keep money flowing due to debts needing to be paid, but now they need somewhere to actually dump the production.
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