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Be honest: what are your thoughts on hunters?
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>>702957205
>people talk shit about hunters
>go eat a burger
Dumbasses.
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>>702957205
As a hunter myself i dont care
But those people in op's pic are fucked up
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for sport
> dickless losers who get off on killing

use the animal
> fire away m80
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>>702957205
Most hunters are fine.
And then there are those retards.
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>>702957205
Now that's brutal!
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I think everyone who eats meat should have to hunt for it.
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If you have to kill something, at least eat it and dont waste it... i'd never be a hunter, but I'm fine with them. The ones who kill for sport or do safari shit should be beaten with their guns and raped by the animal they wanted to kill.
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>>702958006
Good thing I'm a vegetarian.
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>>702957900
>>702958006
yes
>>702958126
hell yes
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>>702957205
Fucking badass, that girl knows how to handle a gun. Her dad is helping her do something she enjoys. What's wrong with that?
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>>702957600
There's a big fucking difference in eating because you're hungry and killing because you're BORED.

Hunters today are nothing but hobbyists for the most part and that's both pathetic and cruel.
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how did that kid handle the recoil, it would have broken her arm
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>>702958126
What pushed me passed the sentiments you share into vegetarianism was how the animals destined for becoming food were treated on their way to the table. Just a lot of unnecessary suffering.
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>>702959030
>knows how to handle a gun
She's a child, she doesn't have the mental focus and responsibility to choose her own clothing, much less handle a gun on her own.

She is nothing but an action figure for her daddy to play with.
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All of them are closet homo's
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Alright so here's hat I think about this.

In some cases:
>African governments have given local tribes the task of protecting threatened species of wildlife.
>As a form of payment for guarding the wildlife from poachers the government allows these tribes to sell a few hunting licenses every once in a while.
>Each hunting license creates hundreds or thousands of US dollars of income for the tribe.
>That's a shit load of $ in Africa
>The tribes have an incentive to protect the wildlife from poachers.
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>>702959539
Ok so then that Cecil-Murdering Dentist Dumbass slaughters it in it's sleep and eats it's heart but that's okay cause someone made some money?
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>>702959539
or, why not let the tribes sell licenses for hunting poachers. that way hunters are the ones protecting the wildlife.
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Vegans are so stupid
she's just doing what she want's
what's wrong with that?
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>>702959874
hey!
he has a name
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That's fuckin gross
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>>702957900
What if I hunt with my bare hands or brass knuckles to make it an even fight?
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>>702958006
horribly inefficient

>all meat must be hunted
Let me know when you catch up to 5,000 BC, in the meantime I'll be enjoying my farm-grown oysters.
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>>702959207
There's also a difference between being dependent on ranchers for meat, and being able to get it yourself. Another point is farm raised meat isn't as good, both taste, health, and economy wise.

Plus hunting is a very useful survival SKILL.
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>>702959384
Daddy actually held the gun and she pulled the trigger.
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>>702960240
you're still stupid, just crazy
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>>702959402
I understand and respect your thought. I simply think that dead animals i buy at the store are already dead, so they dont mind if i eat them... i really love meat but at the same time i think animals shouldn't suffer or be killed for sport or amusement
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Better than people who buy meat from grocery stores.
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>>702960472
I want to feel the kill. Without danger to my life it's unfair and pointless. You have not bested the animal in one on one combat. You are not the Victor
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>>702960421
not all meat comes from ranchers or needs to be hunted. Hunting is not necessary, even for a diet with a lot of meat.

I eat chicken and fish, very rarely will I ever eat beef and I certainly never eat venison or any redneck-class meats.
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I would go there and hunt them with a rifle, and to jusfity their death, harvest their meat
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>>702957205
this girl is fucking bae
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>>702960429
she used her dad's shoulder as a leaning rest, he didn't hold it with his hands
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>>702960311
I agree with what he said, dont be lazy and get other people to kill them for you, if you want it, kill it yourself.
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>>702960778
Try some real sports? Maybe mountain skiing?
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>>702960626
Animals that are killed in slaughterhouses suffer much more than animals killed by hunters.
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>>702960931
I toss my lobsters in while they're still alive, what the fuck do you have to bitch about?

Very few animals need to be hunted, in actuality.
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>THIS THREAD
>AGAIN
LOOK AT ALL THE CANCER BUMPING IT
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As long as you eat/use the animal parts i'm fine with it
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>>702960840
Ranching, farming, whatever. You're splitting semantic hairs.

I'd argue hunting is more humane than farming because the animals are allowed to live and breed how they want to.

Farming is even more oppressive.
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>>702961164
Pork and beef are terrible for you anyway, I prefer chicken and fish
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>>702961165
shut up lazy bitch
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>>702961369
true
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>>702957205
That's fucking awesome. Dad of the year.

>>702957900
If you don't enjoy the hunt you should kill yourself, but of course you eat it afterward.
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>>702957205
if they use all the body it´s cool, unless they use weapon that make the animal suffer a lot like spears.
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>>702961369
Good goy, no testosterone for you
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If they eat it I have zero problem with it there isn't any difference between that and getting packaged meat
If they do it for sport and needlessly kill an animal or go and kill lions giraffes etc that noone eats it's pointless and they are scumbags
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>>702961300
Without farming, humans would complete eradicate hunted species, especially at current populations.

Hunting is not only inhumane, it's unbelievably destructive when done in large scale.
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>>702961533
That's what my giant swollen testicles are for.

Maybe you need a little help in that department, but my nuts are up to it.
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loling at all the faggots who are against trophy hunting or hunting for sport. The population has to be reduced to a sustainable level one way or the other. Whether I eat or stuff the thing afterwards is irrelevant. It's my kill and my business. Anyone who says different needs to go back to facebook/reddit because you're nothing but a moralfaggot.
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>>702960421
Ya maybe your hunters who go to africa to kill cheetahs and shit, but here in america, most hunters eat their game.
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>>702959207
You dumb cunt. Hunting is way LESS cruel than supporting the way most animals are raised for food. You obviously don't know what the fuck you are talking about so STFU.
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Hunters should be prosecuted. They are fucking retards

If they're religious, they'll know that we are gods stewards on earth, and we have a responsibility to treat the planet and its inhabitants with respect

If they're not religious, they'll know that hunting is unnecessary nowadays, and is cruel.

But seeing as hunters are mostly inbred hillbilly amerifags, they don't know shit.

And for those who say that it's manly to hunt, what the fuck is so manly about shooting a fucking animal? If anything, modern hunters are fucking pussy bitches. It'd be manly if they used a bow and arrow that they made themselves, or a flint knife they made. But these fucking rednecks are such wusses that the y use guns and act fucking macho about it.

Modern hunters are retards, and are a disgrace to real hunters anyway
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Veganism is a mental disorder.
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>>702961408
why so angry?

Is it that hard not to have your life choices validated?
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>>702960778
This is more acceptable than hunting with guns, but it's still unnecessary and fairly stupid
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>>702961881
retard, because of hunters, several species are extinct, go fuck your cousin
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>>702961691
Organized large scale hunting happens every year in a sustainable way. Go use the internet and learn about conservation, stupid hippie.
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>>702960778
Hope you get gored you fucking hiilbilly
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>>702962070
not at all
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>>702962008
this HAS to be a troll... no one is this fucking stupid, right?
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>>702961989
Hunting is cruel and you have to be retarded to fool yourself into thinking otherwise.

You don't NEED to hunt, because animals are raised for food and your choices won't change that.

Also, not all animals raised for slaughter are treated cruelly, you can actually choose to support cruelty free products if that's your thing.
>so quit whining like a faggot
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>>702962247
>this HAS to be a troll... no one is this fucking stupid, right?
How is this stupid?
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>>702961691
It wouldn't be a problem if humans ate less meat (like we did before industrial farming in the 1920s) and weren't overpopulating the earth.
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>>702962008
How is hunting unnecessary and cruel?

Like, supporting factory farms is better?
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>>702962168
That's to limit population, not to provide food you stupid fucking faggot
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>>702960240
>even fight
Nigga do you know how badly a full buck can gore you? You're fists ain't shit to that.
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>>702961881
Kys faggot just because you have a superior weapon that is no match for animals while you shit at your fat ass from meters away doesn't make you badass or anything
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>>702957205

I hunt, trap, and fish fairly often. I also raise animals, and slaughter them myself.

Also, this fucker, my governor, bought a black bear rug I made myself, for over market price. What a fucking pleb.
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>>702957205
If you eat your game, then its fine, if you're doing it for sport and nothing else, just be a normal person and adopt some animal from a shelter and abuse the fuck out of it. Same thing right?
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>>702961880
Yeah. It's not like red meat stimulates testosterone production or anything, and fish inhibits it.

Kill yourself.

>>702962008
You too, but for a different reason.
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>>702957205
ITT
>Its not ok if you kill it!
>Its ok when someone else does the job for you!
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Necessary because we have killed off most predators. We have to cull the populations to preserve them.

Also I don't hunt, but them animals are tasty. Had venison tacos last night and they were bomb.
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>>702962133
And your proof is where..?

Stay mad :^)
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>>702962133
That doesn't happen legally anymore. Organized and licensed hunting does more to protect ecosystems which man has upset than letting the ecosystems sort themselves out would. Animals go extinct for reasons other than hunting all the time. You're attempting to create an issue where none exists.
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>>702962133
Guess they couldn't hack it.
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>>702962321
>cruel
as opposed to the deer being suffocated or eaten while it's still alive by a mountain lion?
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>>702962321
Either this is bait or someone's parents dropped them on their head.
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>>702962247
Don't try to make it seem false retard
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>>702962321
i disagree bro, i think hunting is great, you get fresh, untouched, organic meat, and you arent buying food that supports animal abuse, you are quickly ending the life of an animal, they will most likely feel no pain, and they lived a normal life, this isnt bambi where the babies become retarted bitches and are sad and shit, they will probably forget there mom even died the next morning, you are retarted for saying otherwise tbh
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>>702962427
This goy gets it
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>>702962351
Overpopulation is a function of resource consumption, not raw numbers.

Simply by switching to a low-meat diet and renewable resources in Western countries, the world would no longer be overpopulated.
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>>702962416
It does both, you stupid fucking child.

Grandpa never taught you anything, did he? :^)
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>>702957205
I have no problem with it, my dad and grandpa hunted, and I did when I was younger. We also ate the meat though. I actually really like deer meat even with the gamy taste.


But shit like the OP pic...idk it's just in bad taste. I mean it shows a lack of respect for the animals IMO as gay as that might sound
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>>702962671
He doesn't have to, it is false in almost every way.
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>>702957205
You know, there are:
>Professional hunters, who kill the old, wounded, sick animals, also trying to balance the wildlife by taking on spicies with rapidly groving numbers.
>Retards who buy a gun and run around the forest shooting everything that moves.
In a country with decent regulation (both for gun ownership and hunting) only the professionals exist legally.
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Theres literally no point in hunting.
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>>702962740
>being this fucking retarded

Just leave
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>>702962480
A lot of things stimulate testosterone production.

Are you having a trouble in that department?

I am not.
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>>702957205
Why do hunters get off on shit like this? I now some drink a cup of their kill's blood after they slit the neck. I support hunting/hunters/gun rights and all, but this aspect of it seemed sick in the head
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>>702962842
how is he retarded, are you just too retarded to understand the statement?
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>>702962677
>quickly ending the life of an animal

So some dumb little inbred slut chewing on the still-beating heart of an animal is quick, painless and kind?
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>>702959874
the money goes towards conservation of said species, if there was no money, its very likely they would just become extinct by poaching, or be killed to avoid competition.
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>>702962427
>nigger who literally doesn't know how to construct english sentences
>>702962706
>his faggot troll boyfriend
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>>702962321
Yeah but the thing is I don't care.
Animals aren't people. Their suffering matters less than humans.

The question isn't whether animals should be kept from suffering, because as we've established that doesn't matter. The question is whether option A causes them less suffering than option B, and which option is better for humans. Me shooting some deer is gonna cause it less suffering than a cougar tearing its throat out, and it's more fun for me, the human.
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I love hunting, everything I kill is eaten. No trophies and bullshit like that, I don't even take pictures. Hunting should be something people do to eat, not something they do just because it's fun. I went to a guys house with my dad when I was little, avid hunter, at least thats how he described himself. All I saw we're countless animal heads, even complete animals, stuffed and displayed in his living room. Alot of them weren't even animals people eat. Fucking tigers, a lion, other large cats. Wolves, deer, moose, basically everything people hunt he's killed. I remember how it pissed me off too, he said he doesn't keep any of the meat and a lot of it is left for local wildlife. That was the day I decided trophy hunters are fucking cancer and have no respect for the animals they kill, all they see is a trophy and bragging rights. Fuck them.
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>>702962631
nature is cruel

at some point, we aspired to be more than base animals and stopped using them to justify our behavior. Feel free to catch up.
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>>702962819
The problem is Americans buying guns and going out killing shit that should be left alive... fucking obese faggots
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>>702962981
I respect that. trophy hunting is retarded, hunting to eat is fine imo.
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>>702962927
He states that "switching to a low meat diet will end overpopulation"

Like, how the fucking shit does that make sense?
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Real hunters eat what they kill and do it as humanely as possible, fucking trophy hunters are a bunch of rich spoiled asswipes who get off on killing for fun and give all hunters a bad name
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>>702962939
Refer to >>702962966

Shooting an animal and cutting out its heart is less painful than a natural predator mauling it to death.
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>>702962981
>Hunting should be something people do to eat, not something they do just because it's fun.
I take it you're not American. Otherwise you'd know that what I do with what I kill is none of your business as long as the kill is humane.
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>>702962966
>matters less than humans
the two have nothing to do with each other

Being cruel to animals does not decrease cruelty to humans, you sociopath.
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>>702957205
if they are professionals its fine
we need wildlife controll or some animals would breed to much and wouldfuck up the eco system

but the shit in your pic is just sick
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>>702962955
>fat neckbeard that gets happy when killing animals tries to prove his is right
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>>702962939
>implying literally all hunters do this

Uh huh, so when do you plan on making rational statements?
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>>702961164
I know. So what? They wont stop killing animals in slaughterhouses only because i dont buy meat at the store... also i prefer to buy meat at the butchers shop because its meat it's not from intensive breeding
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>>702962981
Hunting for food is fine, trophy hunters are just retards who think they're alpha as fuck for killing an animal from 20m away with a gun.

If you use the meat then that's fine
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>>702963063
Im sure what he meant was, overpopulation is a result of the meat industry. We believe we do not have enough resources because all of them are going towards raising animals for food. The amount of food and water animals, especially cows consume, would be enough to feed the world.
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>>702963195
Except it does.
Factory farming enables people who would otherwise be unable to afford meat to serve it to their children nightly. The suffering of animals results in greater happiness for humans.
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>>702959207
That is cruelly misinformed.
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>>702963337
word
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>>702963234
>y-y-you need to be a moralfag thin-skin liek me!
You're on the wrong site, tourist.
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>>702963181
I am an American, by default I'm free to think and say whatever the fuck I want. If you're killing animals for a trophy then you're a faggot.
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>>702959413
Children are the most impressionable at that age, an understanding and knowledge of firearms and wilderness could help her in later life.
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>>702963063
Overpopulation is a function of resource consumption. It's about exceeding the CARRYING CAPACITY of a given environment, which is strictly dependent on the usage of that environment's limited resources.

Raising meat like cows for consumption is INCREDIBLY inefficient compared to just growing produce.

I really don't understand why you have such a hard time following these facts.
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>>702963433
kek
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>>702962740
You're only helping my point. If it's not possible for 7 billion humans to live without horribly oppressing other species, we're doing something wrong.

You're imagining a fantasy land that could only be achieved if humans had unlimited time and money. That's simply too idealistic.
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>>702962981
You can still eat the meat even if you take a trophy of the animal. Just because he mounts the stuffed pelt or the stuffed head, doesn't mean he didn't eat the meat from inside the animal.
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>>702963009
>aspire to be more than base animals
by that logic I shouldn't give a shit if I'm cruel to an animal, because we aspire to be above them, thus they are inferior and don't deserve a second thought.

you're arguements is shit.
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>>702963387
>believing the shit PETA says
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>>702963031
>intense crying

You ok hun?
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>>702963337
Totally agreed.
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>>702963252
I've stated elsewhere, hunting for food is fine. Heck, it's probably even better than eating farmed meat. But idiots who take their kids out to go shed unnecessary blood for shits and giggles are completely unjustified
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>>702963433
>I am an American
Not if you honestly believe what you typed. Americans understand liberty. You don't seem to.

You're just an emotional little faggot who wants to tell me what I should do with my property because your feefees are bothering you. Dumb leftist clown.
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>>702963591
>because animals matter less, they don't matter at all
You're retarded.

>>702963605
Listen fam, I'm not about to pretend that factory farming is pleasant. I don't give a shit though, and no right-thinking person should.
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>>702963444
>could help her
you know, when her father inevitably fails to prepare her for a successful life in the modern world.
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>>702963431
>wow look momey I is at the EDGY site of the interwebz XDDDD
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I don't even eat meat so this doesn't sit well with me.
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>>702963661
you're still a faggot dude face it
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>>702963444
yea. pulling a trigger while the gun is on her dads shoulder meks her an expert on both firearms and wilderness.
>the only thing that teaches her is selfishness.
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>>702963661
>no liberty to tell me I'm wrong
KEK, go fuck yourself you special snowflake, this isn't your safe space.
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>be me
>grow up in Yukon, Canada (north AF)
>hunt from a young age
>eaten everything I have ever shot
>have eaten raw heart, bone marrow because I have native buddies id hunt with
>despise trophy hunters

Wouldn't an animal be happier if it lived it's life naturally, healthily in its native environment, then one day was shot and eaten opposed to:

>Raised in a tiny box with no natural light
>fed no natural foods, hormones and steroids
>live and die in their own shit

There are bad hunters, but the cruelty animals live in on farms is much worse
Anyone who eats meat but is against hunting is literally retarted
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>>702963765
>no rebuttal found
>into the trash it goes with all the other facebookers
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>>702963516
I still don't see how ending meat farming would reduce the population. Also, we grow plenty of veg incase you hadn't noticed. So tell me, how would growing more veg lead to billions of humans dying off and the population reducing far enough for it to be considered balanced population.
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>>702957205
None.
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>>702963661
>Says Americans understand liberty
>reads post expressing my liberty to say whatever the fuck I want
>obviously has no idea what the fuck he's talking about

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and say you're just a shitty troll, but I have a feeling you really are this stupid.
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>>702957205
I hate hunters that hunt just for fun. Those who eat their catch are okay.
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>>702963756
that's not what I said. I said because they are below me, then I shouldn't care if it's cruel to them. that is not the same as saying animals don't matter at all. You're really shit at making any sort of point against hunting.
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>>702963661
>muh liberty
There's nothing wrong with hunting, but you should fuck off until you get some better arguments.

Libertarianism is cancer.
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>>702963756
Expect all these videos from PETA are selective shots to trigger extreme-pro-animal rights activists
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>>702963787
You're a fucking bitch then. Your ancestors struggled and hunted daily just to pass on their genes, only for little smartass you to be born and decide you're better than everyone? Fuck off
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>>702957205
Do not like.
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>>702963896
i agree with what you said, but I think calling them retarded takes away from the message, they're just uneducated, but with the right information, their perspective could completely flip in a positive way.
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>>702963994
Same
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>>702963638
But you don't know if the little girl and her family ate the meat or not. Sure, they enjoy the sport of hunting, but that doesn't necessarily mean they just glory kill everything. Maybe you oughta stop jumping to massive conclusions and making sweeping generalizations.
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>>702963938
>reduce the population
I never claimed it would, try to read more carefully, kiddo
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>>702963938
not sure if you have noticed, but humans are omnivore for a fucking reason. reduced protein intake leads to muscle breakdown and sickness.
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>>702963797
>>702963891
>no argument found
>>702963956
Your freedom of speech does not trump my freedom to do what I please with my property. You can express your hurt feelings and inability to understand liberty all you want but it doesn't have any bearing on what I do with my kill. You have the reasoning skills of a child.
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>>702957205
It takes practically no skill to hunt deer. Skinning them properly and cooking the meat without making it chewy is 6 million times more difficult. I'm fine with hunters... as long as they eat the kill. But I've seen plenty of the wrong sort in my day.
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>>702964034
What utility do you get from torturing an animal? Very little, because the animal dies, it's probably not edible, and you could have enjoyed it more as a companion.

Utilitarianism is a shit-tier philosophy, but whatever.
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>>702957205
A hunter is a person who studies nature and takes care of it. And only hunts animals if they are sick or to keep the population in order
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>>702963899
>now momey I will say to this anonymous person to go back to le fakebokk so he thinkz I am right Xdd
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>>702963661
>dumb leftist clown

Yo pal, I'm gonna let you in on a secret. People who make massive sweeping generalizations have zero room to accuse other people of being stupid. Just sayin' ;^)
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>>702957205
That's in New Zealand. That's cute. At least that father cares about his daughter.
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We are the apex predator for a reason. As apex predators if we want to kill animals for sport of for food it's our choice
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>>702957205
https://www.broadcastify.com/listen/feed/2235/web
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>>702963567
but when he says he let the meat rot in the woods it does
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>>702963938
Crops grown in poorer countries are sold to the West to support the cattle industry.

Worldwide, cows consume around 45 billion gallons of water a day, and eat around 135 billion pounds of feed a day, that's enough to feed 10 billion people. Getting rid of animal agriculture would be the best thing that happened to humanity in a long time. Not to mention, stopping the consumption of animal products would save tons of land, including rain forests which 91% of have been lost in order to feed livestock. Much less land can be used to feed the world with foods that contain the necessary macro and micronutrients. What im about to tell you says it all.

1.5 acres can produce 37, 000lbs of plant based food.
while
1.5 acres can produce 375lbs of meat.

Ask yourself which one is more sustainable.

Sources:

http://www.johnnyseeds.com/assets/information/direct_seeded_vegetable_crops_calculation_yield_charts.pdf

http://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1748-9326/8/3/034015/meta;jsessionid=552158732D25C0CBF2CE1B21DCFF2B8B.c5.iopscience.cld.iop.org

http://www.news.cornell.edu/stories/1997/08/us-could-feed-800-million-people-grain-livestock-eat

http://www.commondreams.org/views/2012/05/08/we-already-grow-enough-food-10-billion-people-and-still-cant-end-hunger

http://www.fao.org/news/story/en/item/40117/icode/
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>>702964251
But you still can't deny the fact that being a trophy hunter makes you a faggot. Go ahead, try. What is one thing about hanging a deer head on your wall that truly benefits your family?
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>>702964050
>my legally guaranteed right isn't an argument
You're right. My rights aren't debatable.

You sound like a eurocuck.
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>>702960240
i would watch that.
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>>702960778

cringe
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>>702964034
Your logic sucks and you sound like a sociopath.
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>>702964401
Yeah but that still doesn't reduce population sooo... you're still wrong. :)
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>>702962981
Agreed. Bragging rights are no reason to do anything, hunting included. Bragging reveals the tryhard insecure beta in everyone.
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>>702964329
>keeps replying because he can't earn attention in real life
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>>702964407
No, it's a retarded argument. "Hurr it's okay because I legally can".

Actually fucking argue your position, you faggot. It's more defensible than those cucks' by far.
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>>702964401
but can you fuck plants tho?
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>>702964407
and you sound like a faggot
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>>702957205
i'd fucking love to go out and shoot an animal and bring home enough meat to put in the freezer and last a few months. i love steaks and stews and such, i think it's fucking awesome that some people live in countries where you can go out and do that instead of buying stupidly overpriced meat in stores.
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>>702964180
Fair point anon.

But the joy this bitch takes in eating this poor animals heart makes me think she doesn't really grasp that she just ended a life with the pull of a trigger. She just killed something that would have been alive and healthy if she wasn't there

This kid and her dad seem kinda psycho, so I think I am right to assume they kill for fun. If a little kid is so comfortable taking an animals life, who's to say she won't murder a person some day? All you hunters go on about how animals don't matter as much as humans, but did her dad stop to think what psychological effects his little "hobby" is having on his kid?
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>>702964118
Nope...just realized the effects of the meat and dairy industry on the planet and my own body and decided it's not for me. Nothing wrong with that. Eat meat all you want, I don't care. It's just not something I will do.
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>>702962981
/thread/
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>>702964331
Learn to comprehend what you read, Jamal. There was no generalization about leftists in my post. I merely called you a dumb clownish one. Retard.
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>>702964524
it doesn't reduce population, it prevents a growing population from becoming a problem.
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>>702957205
>omg that's crazy and sick!

i can almost guarantee you that girl will grow up to be a good person
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>>702964261
once again, you're being a dumb faggot. you said hunting was cruel and that we are more than just base anomals, therefore shouldn't hunt because it's cruel. I didn't say I was going to torture an animal, I said if I'm above a base animal, then hunting it, the cruelty factor doesn't matter because they are base animals compared to me. are you seriously not retarded for using this arguements?

you're telling people humans are above animals, but that we should care if shooting and eating them is somehow cruel.
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>>702964597
It's probably helping to teach her about humanity's place on top in the world. Sounds great to me.
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>>702963554
Stfu vegan. Jesus christ. I would think that hunting is better than farm raising. At least the hunted have a chance to live and get away. Farm raised animals are raised to slaughter, which i think is still fair. Go murder some more plants ya faggot
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>>702964219
Broccoli has more protein per calorie than steak

Meat is an incredibly inefficient source of protein, from a farming perspective.
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>>702964573
i wish
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>>702964597
>all you hunters

Oh that's cute, you take one or two examples and equate that to the entire group. Aww, how small minded of you. :)
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>>702964261
animals that serve a function to us are generally not hunted. Deer are food. They can't guard us, they don't plow fields or carry shit for us, or carry us to destinations.
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>>702964711
I'm not that guy anon.
I think hunting is great. We're on top, we can hunt whatever the fuck we want for food or sport.
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>>702964331
This statement is true
>>702964679
This guy has some butthurt issues
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>>702964402
I'm under no obligation to justify any of my actions to you and you're not in any position to be the one who determines what is and isn't faggotry, considering your political leanings.
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>>702964763
Lol, I don't think lefties believe humans aren't on top. If anything, it's teaching the kid that she's better than everything, and that killing for fun is acceptable. Seems like a great way to raise a psychopath
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>>702964701
>guarantee you
Why would anyone think your guarantee was worth anything at all?

I bet she shoots herself in the head before her 18th birthday.
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Oh my God this thread is cancer. Everyone here has their stupid views and it's all shit. It's like who really gives a shit? It you don't like hunting then don't hunt. If you like hunting then hunt. No matter the reason.
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>>702964797
You must be confused or a retarded troll. I was arguing against veganism and in favor of hunting vs farming.
>I can't believe I'm wasting my time replying to you
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>>702959413

i shot guns since I was 6.

Shut your whore mouth europoor.
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>>702964862
Exactly. Their primary utility to humans is to be hunted.
A cat, meanwhile, is much more useful as a companion. A dog is more useful as a guard or a hunting partner. We don't kill them and eat them because they actually have a use.
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>>702964401
if you got rid of animal production, that feed wouldn't go to feeding other humans. if they continued producing at that rate, they'd flood the food market and crash it. Farmers would then go bankrupt, eventually you'd have no food at all.

you have to change how food in general is produced and sold first, good luck with that.
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>>702964679
I was talking about your sweeping generalization of americans :)

But stay mad
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>>702960840
Most venison is much more free-range and drug-free than beef. Deer are stressed by conventional farming which taints the meat, so they are left in free-roaming herds and only farmed at cull time, often at range with a rifle.
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>>702965033
You are missing the entire point of 4chan completely. Why are you even here?
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>>702965013
But she is better than the deer she killed, and hunting for fun is acceptable.
Are you able to tell the difference between a human and a deer, anon?
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>>702964554
>it's a retarded argument
>doesn't bother providing a refutation
>doesn't bother refuting why I have the legal right
You sound butthurt to the point your brain stopped working. Kind of seems like you were raised by a single mother and now you can only argue from emotion.
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>>702964701
A good person who feels that taking a life is no big deal, and thinks that a pull of the trigger can solve her problems. A person who likes to shed blood because it's fun. Sounds more like a budding murderer than a good person to be honest
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>>702964975
Because you can't justify it thats why. You know I'm right and don't want to admit it..
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>>702964479
no it doesnt. you're trying to convince people to care about whether or not something that already happens to the animal in nature (being hunted and killed) is cruel or not.

nothing sociopathic about that, you're just overly sensitive, which is not a favorable trait in nature.
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>>702965083
was it the only time your daddy would play with you or something?

why so defensive?
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>>702964219
we're not omnivores tho, if we were really omnivores, we wouldnt feel the need to cook our meat, we would eat it raw the way nature intended.
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>>702961165
Most responsible chefs now kill lobster with a knife before boiling
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>>702964806
becouse it has close to nothing calories.
>Its like saying that a Lada is better than a ferrari, becouse it gets mor miles pes gallon.
also, huge percentage of most plants weight will go just right trough you, becouse our digestive system wasnt designed to break down cellulose and certain kinds of starch.
>meat is just a lot more efficent by weight.
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>>702965154
But that generalization is true. The concept of personal liberty is inherent to our national character and if you don't understand and defend personal liberty, then you really aren't an American. Sorry that you thought that was a debatable point. It's not.
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>>702965321
not all animals are hunted and killed, you fucking idiot.
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>>702965204
looool honestly
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>>702965233
There's nothing there to refute. You're falling back on legal rights when a) laws are mutable and b) you could very easily argue from a moral or logical stance. I give ten to one odds you're a "muh principles" cuckservative.

>Hunting is good because without it the deer population would spiral out of control
>Hunting is good because animals exist to serve humans, and deer are best used as game
>Hunting is good because I'm allowed to by the state
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>>702964949
Didn't your father ever tell you how gay it is to play pile on?
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>>702965227
>But she is better than the deer she killed, and hunting for fun is acceptable

I agree that she's better than the deer. But does being better than something justify you putting a bullet in its head? What if she decided to carry over that logic to people she feels she is better than?

And your second "point" isn't even a point. How is it acceptable?
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>>702965385
we cook meat because it kills bacteria and other shit and also makes it taste better
we CAN eat raw meat, it's just smarter to cook it first
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>>702965385
theres literally nothing stopping you from eating your meat raw. you have all the teeth end digestive enzimes. You might want to keep an eye out on diseases tho..
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>>702965396
Well, if they're not waiting for 4 hours in a tree with full body cammo on and don't shoot the thing with a high-powered rifle before it knows what's happening then they're a PUSSY.
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>>702960840
>venison or any redneck-class meats

my fucking sides dude
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>>702958334
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>>702965385
we didn't normally cook meat you idiot. we discovered that cooking it makes it easier to eat, I.E. your body breaks down the product easier, thus you get more out of each meal. it's the same reason we cook vegetables even though we can eat them raw as well.

cooking is the reason your brain is the way it is today you moron.
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>>702965385
Have you never had sushi?
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>>702965385
Are you fucking retarded? We evolved to eat cooked meat because we learnt how to cook. You know, because we're intelligent? That is what nature intended. Or are you suggesting that evolution isn't natural?
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>>702965547
>laws are mutable
God given rights aren't. Try reading more and talking less. :)
>you could very easily argue from a moral or logical stance
I don't need to because I have rights. Why would I bother arguing from a lesser position than my established rights? Because you need me to do that so your feelings matter? No, retard. You lose.
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>>702959207
Im glad you posted a pic to represent how much of a pussy you are
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>>702965027
If I knew you and that girl, I'd take that bet and, in ten years, your money..
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>>702965575
>>702965780

Can we live
completely off of a meat based diet? no

Can we live on a plant base>>702965614d diet? Yes.

Also, no, you're wrong, starchy carbs are the reason our brains are like this today.
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>>702965849
You talk about god. What right has god given you to kill for fun?
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>>702965447
More efficient to the consumer in terms of TIME IT TAKES TO EAT.

Not more efficient when it comes to price, for the consumer or farmer.

If you only have 5 minutes a day to shove food down your throat, yet still have more money than you need, maybe meat is your best choice
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>>702965562
Deer are inferior to humans, and, like all other animals, exist basically for humanity's use.
Deer can serve humans best as targets (and later on, food).
Therefore it's completely acceptable to hunt them and kill them.

Humans aren't deer, and if you can jump from "it's okay to shoot a game animal" to "it's okay to shoot a non-hostile fellow human" then you were mentally ill to begin with.
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>>702965492
are you autistic? no one said they were. and the animals we hunt and kill for food, are almost always hunted and killed by something else in the wild.

buffalo? wolves
deer? Mountain lions
pheasant? other birds, fox, coyote, etc .

the average person doesn't go out killing predatory animals.
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>>702960840
Your ancestors frown upon you in shame.
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>>702958334
>being vegetarian
>still caring about animals
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>>702965990
The ability and a country that understands my right to treat that kill as property as long as it was done legally. Holy shit, you're sooo bad at this. :^)
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>>702965831
dont be an idiot, we got smarter, but we eat meat because we want to, not because we need to.
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Disney fucking ruined the world. Humans are omnivores. We evolved to eat both plants and animals. There are too many people in this world, too far removed from nature. Food doesn't just magically appear in a grocery store. Get out of your wretched urban environment and kill something to eat.
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>>702965919
Your completely baseless confidence is amusing.

Kids and gun-owners do have a tendency to shoot themselves in the head, after all.
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>>702965849
I'm on your side, but there are no god-given rights. All rights anyone has have been established by man.

Not taking into account that there is no god
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>>702965849
Rights don't exist except as permitted by the state. God doesn't factor into it at that stage.

>he thinks Washington gives a fuck about your "god-given rights"
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>>702965705
so a tigers a pussy because they hide and ambush an antelope instead of sprinting straight on at it?
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>>702963323
that shot placement tho.
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>>702966314
That's just your opinion, man. The founding document of the country that runs the planet right now disagrees with you, sooo...
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>>702966060
How can you say that animals only exist for human use? They exist because of evolution, just like us, not because they were made to serve us.

>mentally ill to begin with

Which is why guns and leisure hunting should be banned
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>>702965963
>Can we live on a plant base
no we cant. You'll eventually succumb to some sort of deficiency. you may live for a long time, but not as long as you would have with a balanced diet that includes lean protein.
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>>702966089
Does laughable nonsense like that help you to not question your beliefs?

I really couldn't give a shit what your fantasy interpretation of a bunch of dead people is.
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>>702966202
So your legal right is somehow god given? Didn't realise Jesus wrote your laws
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>>702957205
Hunters are fine. Dumb-asses that hunt (see your pic) are like dumb-asses that do anything else: annoying and a reason we should seriously consider implementing a euthanasia/eugenics program.

I'm not much of a hunter myself. I've done it before, but it's just not my cup-o-tea. I do like to fish a bit however, so it a similar activity. Dumb-ass redneck garbage try their best to ruin it for everyone. On the river or lake they are mainly just drunk, loud, and throw their garbage everywhere. Hunting though...it's not rare for them to shoot one another. Which I'd be fine with, but sometimes it's people who don't deserve their subhuman bullshit that get it.
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>>702966337
see
>>702966451
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>>702962081
she's a vegan. "you should kill it in order to eat it" is one of their standard mottos. just ignore.
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I don't care. As long as you use up the animal, you're good in my book.
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>>702966577
I agree completely
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>>702966348
A tiger is basically a pussy since it is a cat, but its not a pussy because it uses what its biologically given to hunt other animals. Humans, on the other hand, need guns.
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>>702966348
compared to a human hunter with a big gun, everything is a pussy
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>>702966054
If i ate the same weight of fucking salad that i usually eat in meat, id be hungry again in a hour or so. Meat just fills you up metter mang.
>>702965963
If you trully go vegan and wont take supplements, you will be weak as shit, and more prone to catching diseases becouse your misunderstanding of human biology killed your own immune system.
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Hunt for the meat and use.
I hunt for that because the meat, hide and possible antlers is a bonus for the sport. Trophy Hunters are a waste that create a bad name for hunters.
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>>702966503
not true. Im going on 10 years. I got my blood test results last week, and im fine. No supplementation needed.
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>>702966458
To put it another way, humans are on top. We run the world, and everything in it exists by our say-so. Deer aren't useful to humans except to be hunted.
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>>702966699
human biology allows us to create and use tools. other great apes do this, we just took it further. you're arguement is shit.
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>>702959384
I can tell you from experience that's not true
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>>702966725

see this >>702966796
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>>702966563
>hurr durr jebus
You're retarded. Calling a right "god-given" is just a way of conveying the idea that a right is inherent rather than given by the state.
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>>702963252
He is a vegetarian , rationality left him a long time ago
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>>702966451
>The founding document of the country that runs the planet
Are you so far up your own underage ass that you actually, genuinely, unironically believe that America "runs the world"? You seriously need to do yourself a favor and travel a little bit. You'll see soon enough Europeans, Asians, South Americans and everyone else either don't give two fucks about America or hate us cause we breed American-centristic faggots such as yourself. We don't run shit except ourselves and we're running it into the ground
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>>702966609
>muh magic document
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>>702966846
Are you religious at all? How can you say that animals live because we allow them to? Usefullness to humans is irrelevant
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>>702966857
our intelligence allows us to create tools, our biology gives us nothing to hunt with.
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>>702966796
you're probably the same faggot in the thread yesterday where anon said he was a doctor and told you the tests that you have to request in order to see how fucked you really are, because normal blood tests you get are base line, and you just ignored him by saying he wasn't a doctor.
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>>702957205
Dheneris?
btw hunters are awesome
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>>702966887
I bet you cant even lift your own weight.
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>>702967038
nope, im not the same guy. Either way, im fine.
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>>702966932
America does hold a large amount of power on the international stage, though they mostly use it to push poz and degeneracy on everyone else.
>Europeans
American or Russian vassal states
>Asians
Chinese, Russian, or American vassal states
>South Americans
Who cares
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>>702957205
>this kills the vegan
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>>702966725
Don't pretend like you're not already having snacks you fat bastard.

Cutting out the meat would be good for you.
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>>702967074
I definitely, can dont worry about that.
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>>702967030
Name an animal that humans couldn't push to extinction.
Usefulness to humans is the only thing that matters to me, because I'm a human and I want what's best for humans. What's good for the animal is what's irrelevant.
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>>702967036
intelligence is part of your biology you idiot.
>what are opposable thumbs
>what is persistence hunting

you're wrong. our cooling system alone is for chasing our prey to exhaustion.
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>>702957747

Underrated post.

I'm actually the same anon
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No less gay than vegans
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>>702967036
Don't be stupid anon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=826HMLoiE_o
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>>702966888
I agree that you have an inherent right to kill animals in order to feed yourself and your family. You have that right just the same as any predator does

But I don't think you can extend it to killing for fun
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>>702966846
Well that's a tad closed minded. What actually allows US to live is the ecosystem as a whole. From plant life to microorganisms to insects and all that shit, that's what keeps us alive. We don't unlimited power over nature. If you were actually a hunter you would have a little more respect for the environment that keeps humans alive. Not the other way around.
Underage detected.
Sage.
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>>702957205
Theres different hunters. Trophy hunters and hunters that hunt and intend on eating what they kill. If you can go to the store and eat meat but have an issue tracking, killing and butchering an animal its kind of hypocritical. Its not pleasant but it's what life is and we've become detached from it because we arent in the food chain anymore. Life begets life in a constant cycle and quite frankly nature ruthlessly doesn't give a fuck about how you feel
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>>702967153
>im 70 kgs 11% body fat percentage.
>Yes, i can eat whatever the fuck i want, becouse my metabolism wont let me gain weight for some fucking reason. Of coure i eat snacks. It helps me get trough the day.
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>>702966451
Neah i dont think Israel has any such founding documents
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>>702957205
sport as any other
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>>702967321
I agree with you and yourself. The buck was not ready.
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They're OK, I guess. As long as you're not killing something endangered... Or a gorilla.
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>>702967250
Bring it bitch

Tardigrades will be travelling the galaxy long after humans are extinct. They can survive deep space by freezing their whole body, and when they come out of stasis they absorb new genetic material from the environment and actively evolve based on surrounding life forms.
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>>702967101
first, the food you eat is probably genetically modified and our enriched with supplements without your knowledge, so technically you're wrong no matter what, but when you come down with a completely preventable disorder in your later years, refrain from going to a hospital or doctor to have it treated with medicines or supplements that were probably created by use of animals.
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>>702966932
Protip: The only country that America doesn't run is Russia, and that's only because we need a "big bad" to keep our military industrial scheme of providing protection to all the literal faggots in europe who were dumb and childish enough to put all of their money into "free" health care and education instead of protecting themselves from inevitable military threat. We subsidize the military spending of more than half the planet. The day we stop patrolling the world's seas or stop giving assurances that our armies will enforce local order, the world economy collapses and micro wars send the planet into a dark age.

Just because you don't want to believe things are the way they are because of your childish fever dream of self determination doesn't mean the dream is true.
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>>702967382
You think I don't understand that? A healthy ecosystem is good for humanity. Killing deer is good for the ecosystem, and also is fun for humans.

Literally everything comes back to what's good for us, as it should.
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>>702957205
Waste of time and money
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>>702967250
I could kill my entire family while they sleep. I just don't see that as a logical, morally acceptable thing to do. That doesn't mean they should all thank me for not murdering them, that's just stupid.

In the same way, just because we have the power to kill any animal, doesn't make that a logical, moral option. You can't just assume you have the right to do something just because it is within your power
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>>702967380
I'm glad what you think about how I treat my property in this case is irrelevant and you're impotent to stop me.
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>>702967277
Check.
Intelligence seems not to be part of his biology
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>>702967127
You know at first I was hoping this was bait, but now I realize there are morons out there that actually believe we still hold some sort of ground compared to China and Russia. We are not the super power we used to be and you need to stop being so ignorant. 1/10 for making me reply
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>>702965919
Not if I come along and push her to the point where she kills herself, then you're paying him
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>>702967737
Hey, I might not be able to stop you, but I still think it's wrong and cruel. If I knew you irl, it would definitely change how I thought of you as a person
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>>702967686
So... This is your answer while browsing /b/?....
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>>702959384

7mm-08 riflles are basically fucking bb guns, what kind of pussy are you.

god damn samuel l jackson glass boned fucking loser.
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>>702967771
>we're in decline, therefore we're not a superpower
Try again. Western Europe dances to our tune, and much of the world does as well.
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>>702967755
double check. I guss he assumes that the brain doesn't equate to their intelligence
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>>702967127
It's not 1960 anymore, the world is sick of you stuck up landwhales
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>>702967722
>deer are my family
If your family matter as little to you as some random faggot out in the forest, then you have some problems.
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>>702967595
You really are against plant based diets aren't you?

I'll be okay dont stress yourself out for no reason.
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>>702967862
>paying to browse /b/
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>>702967858
Fair enough.
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>>702967623
Does it ever get stuffy in that bubble of yours?
Protip: no amount of government sponsored Navy commercials or outdated American history textbooks will make anything you are saying true.
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>>702963516
So people would just keep populating until there's over population again. All you would do is kicking the can down the road a bit further without solving the problem.
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>>702959874
Yes
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>>702967982
Well, that's nice, but we don't care about the provincials' opinions.
The American Empire might be collapsing due to massive third-world immigration, but it's not dead yet.
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>>702967987
>doesn't understand the concept of using examples to explain a point
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>>702968116
damn muslims
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>>702967771
The reason China is a power is because we have a symbiotic relationship with them. Without our business those poor little chinks starve. I bet you're one of those fucktards who thinks they're going to come to collect on the money we allowed them to invest in us. kek
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>>702968116
Not sure if bait or just retarded
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>>702968151
>if I totally deny any context and make a strained point, that makes me right!
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>>702968000
nope. I'm against morons that eat certain ways, whether it's fast food or vegan, then pass it off as if they're completely healthy because they haven't ran into an issue yet.

believe it or not, but morons that refuse to eat a balance diet actually cost everyone else more money because they end up with preventable illnesses, like I explained to you.
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>>702967890
We owe the strongest country in the world 17 trillion dollars. There's nothing super about that you closed minded fuck
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>>702957205
if their prey is not endangered and number of such animals in forest is too large - im rather okay with that
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>>702968278
wew, it's almost like you want the West to lose power. Have I stumbled onto an unironic third-worldist?
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>>702968249
kek, China exports all around the world. They are buddies with America cos you guys have a big political presence. And because they've seen that you faggots just look for the tiniest excuse to start a fight, and aren't afraid to use nukes for essentially no reason
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>>702968048
There's a sucker born every minute and that sucker is you.
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>>702968249
You Americunts really have no idea what's happening in the world do you?
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>>702967623
>people have good lives and more freedom than me, but I'm better than them because I have guns and my country bullies and murders people
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>>702968278
you're right, we do owe the strongest country 17 trillion dollar.... ourselves.

about 90% of the money we owe, is to the private sector within the U.S. you brainwashed faggot. we owe China the tune of about 3 trillion dollars, but if you take into account the bonds that China are still defaulting on (research China pre communism government) that they swore to everyone they would honor, they owe us around 3.5 trillion.

fuck off with your we owe China a shit load of money arguement, we owe ourselves a fuckton.
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>>702968086
Not really, populations are leveling out or decreasing in most industrialized nations, because kids are expensive and they only make you any money if you own a farm.

>but it's still increasing in undeveloped countries!!!
Yeah, but they don't use many resources, they can literally have 10X the population and still not contribute as much to overpopulation as those countries that are no longer increasing in population.

Also, it's a good reason to promote development in the third world.
>you know, if new markets and income sources weren't enough motivation.
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>>702957205
People who hunt just to hunt are skum. Its just killing for the sake of killing.

Hunting is necessary to control certain animal populations since we killed off most other predators.

I have no problem with people who elect to hunt for food. It is way more honest then domesticating animals to make them easier to kill; with hunting the animal knows its food and doesnt think you are going to feed it or be its friend.

I have the utmost respect for people whu sustenance hunt. That can be a tough life.
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>>702968012
>a moving efg gif
Kill yourself
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>>702968460
We're their number one customer. If your number one customer stops allowing you to pay a billion people slave wages, those billion people don't make enough to eat. Sales volume doesn't magically appear out of nowhere. The rest of the world isn't going to magically need more products from chinese manufacturers to make up for America no buying from them anymore.

You have a very juvenile understating of how the world works.
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>>702968380
>doesn't believe America is a super power anymore
>automatically makes me a commie
Wew did I just happen upon an unironic 1950s republican?
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>>702968571
I notice you couldn't refute any of my assertions.
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>>702968649
This. Little kids don't understand international power balance.
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>>702968724
Just to clarify my position: if you use the remains and respect the animalI have no problems with you.

If you just want to shoot at something that is alive pick yourself.
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>>702968724
cool opinion, literal nigger
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>>702968690
>populations are leveling out or decreasing
So there's no reason to stop meat production then.

>development in the third world.
Doomed to fail due to genetically low IQs
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>>702968884
they also don't understand that it's being discovered that China is in a FUCKTON of debt. And with a GDP that is still half of what the U.S. has, with a population that's over triple ours, they're in big trouble.

it's one of the reasons they're dumping so much steal in the world right now, they kept manufacturing without customers to keep money flowing due to debts needing to be paid, but now they need somewhere to actually dump the production.
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What's wrong with killing animals for sport?
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>>702969010
Thanks literal dickbag. I like to think that I'm well thought out.
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