>>702809815 Kind of what I was thinking as well. He should definitely express his thoughts to her (or whatever the fuck she thinks people should call her) but there was maybe a better way to do so. But maybe not.
>>702809877 if you don't show your kid respect, even when they're wrong you take away their self esteem and teach them to be disrespectful assholes themselves. there is a difference between being a parent and being an asshole.
I bet you're the zen master who's never lost his cool dealing with some retard's shit. You've probably never even yelled at someone who cut you off, because you knew they must have had something going on in their life causing them to do that and not just assuming they were an asshole.
It's easy to be a fucking critic, you fucking faggot. And my kids are going to fuck the shit out of your kids because I'm going to slap them upside the head once and a while for being dipshits.
>>702811425 studies say that slapping kids has literally no upsides but only downsides. you're kid is not your friend or some acquaintance you can lose your shit to without consequences. of course you can yell at them, when they fuck up but the kid here didn't fuck up or did anything that warrants such an aggressive and over the top reaction.
>>702810616 There's a huge difference between showing your kid respect, coddling them and giving in to their whims, and being a giant asshole to them their entire lives. You can't go too far down either side of the spectrum, and when it comes to kids saying they're genderfluid, they simply need a reality check, because at that point they're literally losing touch with reality. It's incredibly unhealthy to claim genderfluid, it is a delusional choice in lifestyle and leads to delusion in many other aspects of their lives.
That's not aggressive or over the top. That kid will one day have to grow up and realize you can't just stay on the bandwagon and expect to be a special snowflake forever. The real world is tough and it's not sugar coated whatsoever. The person making a big deal over being told to shut the fuck up about a fad is the one over reacting. Do you want your child to succeed and have a career and be able to take care of themselves? Or do you want them to stay at home until they're 45 being a complete burden on you/your families finances and mental well being because they think they're special and hard done by?
Also studies can show anything they want, you can find studies on both sides of every argument. Studies use cherry picked candidates or doctored results in order to show their point to be correct.
>>702812735 >and being a giant asshole to them which is what that dad did. >It's incredibly unhealthy to claim genderfluid, it is a delusional choice in lifestyle and leads to delusion in many other aspects of their lives. you surely got something to back that up with, huh? kids go through phases and make up stupid stuff, that's what kids of all ages do. >>702812959 >if i yell and curse at my kid for sharing something personal and important to them, no matter how stupid it is, they will be successful later
then why is there not a single respectable study that shows that slapping is a good thing? once you include too many educated and independent people into your tinfoil theory you start to sound crazy.
>then why is there not a single respectable study that shows that slapping is a good thing? once you include too many educated and independent people into your tinfoil theory you start to sound crazy.
Find me a single "respectable" (ie, no point of selection bias) study showing slapping is bad. Parents prone to slapping are more likely to be shitty parents anyway. The dose makes the medicine faggot.
>>702812841 Gender fluid groups exist regularly in almost every non western culture. Pull your head of your Anerican ass and realize your culture based on worshiping a divine lich lord who battles talking snakes doesn't reflect what is and isn't reality.
>In this general population survey, a probability sample of 9953 residents of Ontario aged 15 years and older who participated in the Ontario Health Supplement was used to examine the prevalence of a history of slapping and spanking.
This is a self reported survey. Are you a literal fucking retard?
>>702814650 that doesn't have any influence on the outcome. do you think people are going to lie about wether they were spanked or not? unless you see issues with the questions used and the method of analysing you have no point.
>>702808522 I'm a progressive liberal who voted for Bernie and I'd slap the shit out of any son, daughter, or friend of mine who used a retarded ass term like gender fluid around me. Pretty sure I hate it more than the conservatives here do, because it has created this meme where all liberals are insane fantasy land SJW's. It's not true.
>>702814794 >shamans So, the delusional >artists and the inept >caretakers More of the inept >leaders Go find a "genderfluid" leader, EVER. You won't. Because it's something cooked up by a bunch of people who are so insecure that they need the entire world to know that they are slightly different from everyone when in reality they are another dime a dozen meat popsicle except their hangups about gender will forever prevent them from success in anything because of their incessant demand to be recognized as special.
>>702811890 Oh yeah, physical punishment has no upsides. I wonder why it worked so well for the centuries before liberalism in parenting and faggots like you who eat that shit up. Honestly i think liberals are a byproduct of barbarians for whom time was feeting when society filled the gaps of the continents. So instead of sustaining a society themselves they infect others using the systems and facilities of society against it in order to ruin it. Mass immigration, degeneracy, the 200 year old failed experiment of socialism. It all exists to destroy modern civilization so liberals can return to there formar state of barbarism.
>>702815411 >when in reality they are another dime a dozen meat popsicle except their hangups about gender will forever prevent them from success in anything because of their incessant demand to be recognized as special.
>>702815600 >kerry >long hair and looks like a girl in the pic >son might be a surprise to you but most transtrenders i heard about are female. >>702815760 just because it has been done doesn't mean it has worked. that argument is completely baseless because studies do not support it.
>>702815132 Brain structure > genitalia 1 in 200-400 people are born Somwthing other than XX with female genitals or XY male with male genitals. Others are born genetic make, but not exposed to testosterone in utero or genetic female but exposed to testosterone in utero causing their brains to be mapped differently than their physical sex. Learn2Science you fucking pleb
>>702815635 You seem to think that people are honest. No one is, and they lie to themselves and others hundreds of times a day. Whether or not they meant to lie doesn't mean that they didn't. Corporal punishment is a perfectly fine thing to do so long as it is in line with the trouble they got into. Did my son beat a kid? He gets an ass whooping. Spill a drink? Verbal punishment and forced to clean it up. Proper parenting isn't not hitting your kids. It's knowing if and when you should.
The study also includes people were/are involved in domestic violence and it has exactly 0 to do with it being used as discipline. The study is just "parents who hit their kids"
No fucking shit if you beat the fuck out of your kid he/she is going to be fucked up. You can just look at abused animals to see that. However much like animals, the ones who are trained properly are the ones who grow up to be well behaved. Giving your child a smack on the ass after doing something terrible =/= beating your child or hitting your child without reason and without them understanding.
You don't know jack shit about science or endocrinology you fucking retard. Lack of exposure to testosterone in the uterus has pronounced effects on the development of a male fetus, it doesn't not make them male. Hormone fluctuations do not constitute as "gender fluidity"--they constitute, within a standard deviation for all members of the same GENDER, thought patterns and emotions. Humans are social creatures, and one thought pattern is susceptibility. Men with less testosterone and more estrogen are more psychologically pliable and thus more prone to believe bullshit like "gender fluidity."
We all get these thoughts. You are not special, you're just a fucking crybaby who's not psychologically adjusted.
>>702816000 Yes, intersex is a scientific fact. Intersex or hermaphroditism and shit like that. That's very different to gender fluid which is literally chosen by the spawn of the worst gene pools to make themselves as repulsive as possible to the cis overlords.
I have three kids. 9, 13, 14. Told them all the same thing: You get to feel about yourself however you want. You can feel like a chick. Feel like a dude. Feel like a fuckin' squirrel, whatever floats your boat. Everyone else gets to feel about you however they want: that you are cool dude, a man whore, a little bitchl, a fagot, weirdo loser etc. Everything you do is going to make some people like you and some people hate you. Some things are going to make more people hate you than others, Some things are going to make more people like you than others. Know what you want, do it, and accept the consequences.
>>702817043 if you're talking about the source it is linked to the guy whose responsible for it plus the source. and please find me that study that says spanking is fine because literally everything i find is that spanking is bad.
>>702811890 studies only show what the group doing them wants them to show. If slapping your kids had no positive upside why have people been doing it forever. fucking indigenous cultures that have zero to minimal contact with the modern world slap their kids.
I don't need science to tell me that chicks dig jerks. Can I FIND the science? Sure, I can rife through about 8000 medical journals and piece together the reasoning, but why would I?
I don't need science to validate what I can see with my own eyes. Obviously beating the shit out of your kid will fuck them up, no one is arguing that. NOT slapping your dipshit kid every once in a while will fuck them up too, because they'll end up huge pussies like you. There's a fine line, but if it's walked correctly you end up with amazing people.
>>702817465 BDD was never used for trans people? it doesn't make any sense because the perception of the body is fundamentally different. some trans people do have BDD in addition to GD but they are two distinct things. BDD means seeing a little flaw and obsessing over it and seeing it as a huge flaw. GD means that you are very uncomfortable with your body being the sex it is. e.g. >Sam thinks her shoulders are huge and unproportional even though they are average female length (BDD) >Sam sees her shoulders being significantly wider than the average female width and feels significant discomfort over that fact
If you're supposed to be the beacon of what happens when kids don't get discipline than you're not a role model, you can't even fucking read.
>Better rip your kids constantly to keep up a good show
>Don't want anyone thinking you might be weak mate
Discipline is not weakness whatsoever. I guess all those successful Asian kids with extremely strict parents are all just trying to show off.
>The world sugar coats plenty of shit
To teenagers, yes. Reality kicks in after school time kiddo.
>This is the beginning of every speech some cunt gives to justify going out of his way to be the biggest douche bag he can be
Yeah I'm sure all those highly successful and motivated people who have succeeded and exceeded in most aspects of their lives are all completely wrong.
>And you're the part that should be safe for your kids to retreat to when other cunts rip them up some. You're supposed to be base in life's game of tag.
This has exactly nothing to do with anything. You're inferring that discipline makes a child unable to go to their parents in times of need or that they somehow lose all trust/relationship with their parents because of it.
We're not talking about abuse or domestic violence.
>>702817746 >>702817897 why is there not a single group that wanted their studies to show that spanking is fine then? you can only manipulate data to a certain point. anecdotal evidence and your feelings about what is good and what isn't laughable compared to any scientifically backed up argument. >>702817895 >cursing and yelling at your kid >not being an asshole
>>702816993 My point is you can't rely on the knowledge of others for everything. You have your own human instincts. Use them. Your kid is not some cookie cut out of the human race. They're a smaller version of you and whoever you created them with. You were literally made to raise this kid. It's not fucking nuclear physics. You don't need a manual for this. And you don't need the opinions of strangers either. And don't kid yourself. They are opinions. They change like every 5 years. Fuck, i wouldn't be surprised if one day studies showed you zombies that bridge tossing your kids was good for their physical developement, and you actually go for it.
>>702810616 This chick looks like shes 20, if being told to shut the fuck up is that damaging to your health then your a waste of resources and space and I'd probably disown her than go adopt a new kid
See that's the part that most of them DON'T do. They want to be able to do whatever/say whatever without ever being held accountable. It's one of, if not THE biggest problem with the upcoming generation.
I hate using the word entitled because it's a fucking buzzword these days but that's exactly what it is.
I was just reading an exhaustive list of LGBTQ terms and just came across this:
MSM / WSW – (noun) initialisms for “men who have sex with men” and “women who have sex with women,” to distinguish sexual behaviors from sexual identities (e.g., because a man is straight, it doesn’t mean he’s not having sex with men).
I'm just saying that whenever I've heard someone go on a tear after starting with anything along the lines of "the real world", it's usually a bunch of ego driven bullshit mostly about how unfair the world is blah blah blah. The world is fucking easy, man. If you aren't up for it, join a religion and hang out there a bunch. Unless you're a fuckhead, you'll easily get back as much as you put in socially, and people will help one another. Humans go all out for each other all the time. Not that drunk losers in their late 40s tend to be the sort to encourage help from others.
>>702819160 ?First, spanking is challenging to observe in the home because it occurs relatively rarely in most families and because families may not spank in front of observers. Second, it is difficult to study in the lab because university Institutional Review Boards prohibit the gratuitous hurting of participants.
>We can't give you accurate data but believe us anyway
>>702808691 Not a Dad's job. Dad's job is to provide food/shelter, teach you right from wrong and be firm but loving. That dad's answer was firm, quite likely it was lovingly meant as he wants what is best for the retard he is trying to raise, and certainly involved teaching right from wrong.
My only quibble would be that a lot of this horseshit is just the modern equivalent of "I think I might be a witch, guys!" high-school horse shit, but some of it is genuine mental illness. Mental illness cannot be corrected by good dadding, and needs competent medical help. Good luck finding that, mental health is now a wholly owned subsidiary of SJW, Inc.
>>702819213 you're bi if you're still into women. also technically you're only gay if you are actually attracted to your sex. plenty of gay men had sex with women for reasons that were other than sexual attraction, that doesn't make them straight.
>>702819426 it doesn't have to be observed. that's just acknowledging the limitations of the study but it doesn't invalidate the results. studies can be perfectly valid even if they are limited in their options. you don't how this works, right?
>>702818277 Yeah, dipshit, but these studies are coming from a society that deems transgenderism and all sorts of other mental degeneracy to be normal. The "agreeable studies" that your talking about basically force us towards unnatural behavior. Being racist is tribal behavior that builds integrity within societies, being sexist draws an important line between men and women that is necassary to maintain order and avoid infighting. Children's low place on the totem pole in terms of respect is necessary. Humility breeds discipline which is necessary if the ways of a society are to continue. The farther we stray from this, the more our identity and society crumble. So for fuck sake, when your kid is in highschool playing make believe. Shut that shid down by any means necessary
That has nothing to do with managing expectations. Not everyone is going to succeed, not everyone is going to enjoy being an adult and having to take on responsibilities and join society. That's a fact. That is what is meant when people say the world isn't sugar coated. Which is 100% true. Some people are going to grow up hating being a garbage man and getting paid fuck all for it.
Does that mean you tell your child they're a failure? No of course fucking not but you definitely don't encourage behavior that sets them up to fail or to crash and burn when reality kicks in. If you were applying to positions in any sort of respectable industry and you put something buttfuck retarded like "I'm a gender fluid squirrelkin" or whatever on your CV / statement you can be dam sure it's going straight in the trash.
Pop used to give me a wack on the head and call me a dipstick when i was zoning out or not paying attention to important things. Now I make an ok amount of money and have a good sense of self discipline. If he was a liberal he would have labeled me ADD and had me take drugs that would have turned me into a zombie. I know this is 4chins, but fucking pay attention to the real world. I don't have rage or self esteem problems, and will most likely raise my children in a similar fashion, but some children do learn differently and I don't think that hitting a kid is good for all kids.
>>702819869 this entire post is completely based on your feelings and not in reality. these are explanations why the things you mentioned exist not reasons why they have to further exist. being racist is detrimental as society is globalised and doing economically better than ever. being sexist is unnecessary as the biological differences between men and women have become largely irrelevant due to technology making work much(!) easier. children outright denying basic human respect teaches them the wrong things. humility is a good thing so long as it acknowledges your good and bad traits.
>>702820267 i'm T but i didn't want to say it ouright. >>702820382 yeah, why? >>702820452 science is tons of anecdotal evidence, looking for system, relations and connections. but it's reproducable evidence. a single anecdotal evidence is completely irrelevant.
you are a human with given sex parts and your deep behavioral tendiencies have been tricked by people with GID to focus more on the gender traits that are not alligned with your sex and lead you to believe that just because you have them, you are the wrong sex.
In reality, all humans are both masculine and femine almost equally.
Every time a girl plays a sport or a boy plays with legos gender pathways are mixed. Every time a male solider builds a sandbag bunker or a female housewife goes to the store, gender pathways are mixed.
You must first understand how the brain works before you can start trying to label things.
>science is tons of anecdotal evidence, looking for system, relations and connections. but it's reproducable evidence. a single anecdotal evidence is completely irrelevant.
One of the studies you linked says that over 90% of people in 33 different countries have been spanked at some point in their life. 90% of people aren't mentally unstable, failures, unsuccessful or have anxiety disorders. That was easy.
>>702818580 Let me tell you what's anecdotal studies that change every five years, and children who get progressivley worse every generation. You wanna swallow the jew pill and parent your kids like some doormat faggot? Go right ahead. My daughters will be women, and my boys will be men. All of them will be well rounded. And it will all be because they had a strong parental influence who didn't always seem to have black men in their bedroom during the night. And when that happens, your studies will have lost all integrity and be worth less than the nigger vas in your asshole.
>>702821311 what about the others? >>702821250 i'm sure some of them were. i'm saying that spanking had no positive effect towards that outcome but a negative effect on many other kids. not an extreme effect but an effect >>702821264 the fuck? i'm trans because my brain makes it impossible for me to be happy looking like the sex i am. GID doesn't exist anymore, it's GD and gender roles have no influence on the diagnosis. please, we are not talking about trans stuff here. >>702821440 i'm not a native english speaker so vloatility tells me nothing. i was mentioning economy because you were talking about how racism originated in the tribal stage and i mentioned we are way past that and are doing much better than back then.
>>702808522 This dad gets it. Don't give a shit about people being gay,bi or trans but gender fluid and all that other retarded shit is just fucking stupid and its just something faggot teenagers do to appear different.
>>702820452 Hahaha! Damn thanks anon. Hearing these ideocentric liberal intellectuals citing studies over real experience and calling it the end all be all of right and wrong because it's "anecdotal" was bringing me right the fuck down.
>>702818518 It refers to the fact a lot "straight" men and women still have gay sex. This is to distinguish from gaysand Bis who own their shit and the middle class "normal" faggots looking for dick to suck on Craigslist behind their wife or girlfriends back.
There may be bi sexuals, faggots, and lesbians, but as far as gender: You are either born with a dick or with a pussy If you were born with a dick, you are a male If you were born with a pussy, you're a female End of discussion.
Unfortunately, people seem to think others care whether they like a dick in their mouth or not.
>>702821832 >i'm trans because my brain makes it impossible for me to be happy looking like the sex i am.
your brain only does because it has been trained to. You need to be trained back.. the problem is people keep feeding you that "it is how you were born.. you will never change" and then when you go to therapy, you don't try.. and therefore it doesn't work.
This is why the trans community is a national mental health crisis.
>>702823057 ok, let's use an example that you might understand >kid gets heavily bullied for whatever reason throughout school time >kid falls into depression which causes his grades to worsen significantly >kid fails school and wastes a couple years afterwards because of depression >kid manages to get out of it for an unrelated reason, manages to find a job with future >ends up successful with job would you say the negative things that happened to it were positive? i'm talking about negative things having proven negative effects here, work on your reading comprehension.
>>702808691 He said exactly what needed to be said. This whole "more than two genders" thing needs to stop. I can accept that your a man you likes other man or woman who likes other women but a man who insists on being called a woman or vice versa have serious mental health concerns that need to be dealt with whether or their feelings get hurt or not.
>>702823503 it's brain structure that is formed during pregnancy due to lack of testosterone during certain phases. that's what studies seem to show. the specifics are unknown. the brain structure is non-plastic that means it doesn't change after birth. any therapy besides transitioning has shown to be ineffective during history.
>>702823377 >You are either born with a dick or with a pussy no, sex is literally a spectrum. intersex people are born with ambigous genitalia during all stages of genital development. to your information the female genital is formed first and then the male one.
>>702823503 Mind explaining why every program designed to "retrain" the brain or conversion therapy as its usually called does nothing except increase mental instability and suicide rates in those that undergo it?
>>702824121 Seems like semantics, anon. It's like saying race is in our heads. It really is genetic fact. Sure we all start with both sex organs, but why don't we come out blank then? If it takes a male and female to reproduce, wtf is going to happen to us? Not that we need more fucking people by the looks of it.
>>702820463 Okay, you're obviously a fucking degenerate. Women drew the short straw in nature and society. Male and female divisions in the working world are alive and well. If you don't know that then you need to get out of the basement more. Globalism has done nothing but hurt society. Also it's a forced lie. People are more ethnocentric now then they have been for the last two centuries, and mashing us all together is just causing more tension and violence. I never said anything about denying human respect to childreb. I said they are low on the totem pole. They have been here for the least amount of time, and they carry with them the least amount of knowlege and wisdom. Granting them respect that they haven't earned is like throwing the gear shift of society into reverse.
>>702824093 Because you're knowledge of world history is from the European Middle Ages to modern America. If you knew shit outside of European culture you'd know there were there were cultures throughout the entire world that valued the unique insight of its nonbinary members.
>>702824597 I agree, without guidance, what happens? Kids lives get fucked up, by others with an agenda. We all need guidance, and who better to try than parents? Can't gain knowledge or wisdom without some input at some point. Telling people what they want to hear is why kids end up so fucked as it is. Know that from seeing it.
>>702808522 As a closeted genderfluid person, every time I see people responding positively to this kind of garbage I feel a little more thankful to know there are exactly two kinds of posts on 4chan: offensive jokes, and anons too stupid to know everyone else is kidding.
(I don't plan on ever coming out of the closet because I don't feel it's important to me)
>>702824532 because we don't lose our sex organs? the male is formed out of the female one. >Globalism has done nothing but hurt society. Also it's a forced lie. yeah, no, i'm gonna stop talking to you. this is braindead. >>702824751 that's accurate though undeveloped males are more or less females. the female form is built first, then the male is a modified female form.
>>702824815 Transgender individuals who receive support from their families and friends have the same suicide rates as the general populace Try harder faggot https://www.researchgate.net/profile/David_Huebner/publication/47789034_Family_Acceptance_in_Adolescence_and_the_Health_of_LGBT_Young_Adults/links/0deec523738ab7fba1000000.pdf
Modern medicinal therapy realizes that in the current state of society, there is too much pressure to resist therapy.. and thus clinical therpay is ineffective in a lot of cases.. however it is still done and does work for some people.
What you are probably largely referencing is non-theraputic religious conversion therapy. This is not done scientifically or with medical ethics.. instead it is brute-forcing something onto an individual with the assumption that "god will do the rest." This is stressful to the patient, they don't want the therapy, and it makes them worse. Additionally, studies have shown that sex change operations either have no effect, or even increases the likelihood of suicide and mental health incidents, so the claim that "sex change is better for the person" is actually bullshit.
There is a disease called BID.. body intergrity disorder. Basically people think they should be a cripple...limbless.. blind, etc. They can't comprehend their own integrity just like you can't comprehend your sex. It is a mental disorder caused usually by trauma or some form of imprinting on a susceptable individual.
DOCTORS DO NOT AMPUTATE BODY PARTS TO MAKE THEM A CRIPPLE. THE PROBLEM IS IN THE HEAD AND THAT IS WHERE IT IS ADDRESSED.
Same goes for GID, the problem is trannies whine so much and claim 'injustice' so the medical community has thrown up their hands.
>>702821832 While im opposed to your arguement anon you are doing a decent side explaining your stance while none of these other idiots have even attempted besides "muh x person turned out alright after being spanked". Im too lazy to search for non biased resources to back my side as well though esp. On mobile
>>702820778 You didn't want to say it outright because you know that having a mental disorder so comparable to the delusions of a 12-16 year old would make you look like a fucking idiot. Listen, i'm sorry, i'm sure it's hard to reeducate yourself into the reality of transgenderism being a mass delusion, and cancerous to society, but the good news is you're probably not one of the .00001% of people with one of the actual mental illnesses, but more likely an immature impressionable person caught up in the faggot sensation of this lame sequel to the sexual liberation movement.
>>702825323 >look at this completely unrelated thing >the only relation it has to the thing we talk about it is that both are classified mental illnesses >clearly they need to be both treated the same >clearly this other mental illness invalidates the huge efficiency the current treatment has for the currently talked about mental illness >>702825399 thank you, anon. i'd much rather talk to you tbh.
>>702825699 i'm not saying you're wrong or anything but i wouldn't call them male. though that's more a semantics thing as they have a sexual development disorder and can't be classified into either. they are usually treated with estrogen hormone therapy for puberty.
Transgenderism is a fad like tattoos and piercings. It's an act of rebellion to ''traditionnal gender roles''. Nothing else, an insipid act of rebellion that cost lives. I'm all for sexual liberation but this is really going astray.
>>702826079 Loool m8 please don't lump homosexuals into the same fucked up bullshit category as gender fluids that have only existed since tumblr. Think what you want about gays but at least we're real.
>>702823295 Notice the anecdotal example he gives is that of some suburbanite man. I'll bet you're a male feminist. "Look at that, mr strait man! Strait men like you SUCK DICK ON CRAIGSLIST!" The problem is that they're not like me. They're perverted faggots. Stop trying to normalize degeneracy, queer.
>>702826975 You never had friends do you? A friend is a person you love to hang with, share things with. The guy wasn't comfortable with his sexuality. He said he didn't saw himself as a man because he was small and frail. He didn't have much luck with women either which he accorded again to him not being ''man enough''. And then one day he comes saying he started hormone therapy to become who he truely was. 5 years later he killed himself. Changing sex didn't fix him. Also fuck you for laughing at someone's death.
>>702826617 not a single study to back their claims up. the study they cite that says that sex change is not sufficient actually says that in addition to the sex change there should be better psychiatric care.
Some of you are. Too many want to be a disgusting non-stop gay day parade and demand everyone applaud it. It's become a cult to young people, half of the kids in middle school say they're gay now and do the whole dramatic gay culture fight for the cause thing, then all of the sudden they say they are just bi, within a few years they are just straight. I call them Katy Perry homos because they are obviously just looking for a special club to join so they "become gay" after being influenced by the gay Jew entertainment industry to think that it's some wonderful counter-culture for the disenfranchised.
>>702827498 Being desperate because he's "not manly enough" and starting hormone therapy which reduces testosterone even further? And he probably killed himself because it didn't work, he still looked like a pathetic undeveloped male. Oh, and you were a shitty friend if you allowed it to happen just like this.
>>702827484 I don't consider them straight. I was merely pointing out why the term exists since they aren't members of the LGBT community they are closet faggots responsible for most incidents of AIDS in straight women
>>702827670 Maybe if you did a little research on older transgenders and their experience you'd understand that the thrill of changing sex doesn't last forever. It doesn't fix dissociative disorders. It's not a fix, it's a workaround that only bring temporary relief.
>>702827911 >half of the kids in middle school say they're gay now and do the whole dramatic gay culture fight for the cause thing, then all of the sudden they say they are just bi, within a few years they are just straight. Are you a model school employee?
I could of said the same thing 7 years ago. Doesn't make it true.
>>702827498 > Also fuck you for laughing at someones death > You never had friends do you? Where do you think you are faggot? Not that I don't agree with you about this transgendered shit getting out of hand but srsly, lol. You're not on facebook, stop being a fucking faggot.
>>702828105 > Allowed it to happen This is why you don't have friends. You think you can control them.
>>702827498 trans people do not transition because they're insecure about their sexuality. sorry, about what happened to your friend but these are not the experiences and feelings of trans people. >>702828305 individual cases don't mean anything. do you want to see what i got after i clicked on the suicide rate link on your site?
>"For their lives to go forward they need to transition," Knudson told LiveScience. "A lot of the health care providers that work in the field see transitioning as a medical necessity — not as something people chose to do, but as something they need to do to lead productive lives."
>Yet transgender people overwhelmingly say it's worth it. After transitioning, transgender people show a significant decrease in substance abuse problems and depression, for example, and their mental health significantly improves, Knudson said.
and many other things. oh, you'll probably wonder what the "yet" refers to. it refers to trans people being discriminated for being trans in the work place and daily life.
>>702828105 >Oh, and you were a shitty friend if you allowed it to happen just like this.
Damn, you sound like my ex girlfriend.
I'm against liberally giving hormone therapy to people who just CLAIM they're not born with the sex they should have. I'm not saying there's no real transgenders but there's really is a problem right now. I'm not sure who you're rooting for here. Actually probably no one because you clearly have reading comprehension problems and you just want to be an edgy contrarian on the internet like the coward you are. Still I'll write what I want to say for the sake of others to read.
>>702828912 > Literally unable to read This might also be why you don't have friends.
Could be that you're too self important to care what anyone else says, could be that you're just too fucking autistic to read, either way, you should think more before you talk. Maybe people will hate you a little less.
>>702827911 Yeah I get you...I'm just one of those gays that keeps my sex life private and just blend in like a normal anon day to day. There's really no need for me to scream it out like a drama queen in a democratic country. It's quite easy to forget though that in 2016 people like me would still get executed or harsh prison sentences for just living my life, and that's the problem when these gender fluid attention whores are really just straight or gay but they're purposefully making themselves controversial. I just wish they would get dumped in some shithole African country and see if they still want to be non-hetero.
>>702824931 Your input is what you gather from living your life. Not reading up on the experiences of total strangers and trying to retrofit everything you've ever learned in your life to be compatible with some assholes who did some data gathering that's gonna turn up different results in half a decade or less. Parenting based on what you know and how you percive things is good for your child because Their genetic and mental connection to you makes the learning more comfortable. Parenting out of a few textbooks creates a fundamental gap between you and your child. Get ready to not know who they are by the time they're teenagers, and to be a complete strangers when they're adults.
>>702828105 >>702828665 >You think you can control them So do you apparently. >>702827727 >My kid pulls this shit then they get fucking nothing in the will. Have fun changing your will when you can't tell if the light is red or green or if you're at the movies. Also nice response to OBVIOUS BAIT >>702828305 >Maybe if you did a little research on older transgenders and their experience you'd understand that the thrill of changing sex doesn't last forever. Maybe if you did more research than just googling your opinion you'd see how stupid you sound.
>>702825399 Why don't you pull someone out who never got spanked besides yourself who turned out just fine. I honestly can't think of anyone who never got spanked that didn't turn out to be a complete degenerate.
>>702829480 Damn you guys really are mongoloids. THIS IS EXACTLY THE FUCKING PROBLEM. Doctors [don't] give Ritalin to people who clearly have other[?] issue[s] because they don't want to look like bad doctors.
> (you) > being a doctor is not unlike any other profession, there are people who are terrible at it and people who wouldn't be terrible at it if they weren't more concerned with making money, you stupid faggot.
>>702829770 > So do you apparently Literally fucking what? How the fuck do you arrive at this conclusion? lol
>>702829043 Actually, I thought he presented a cogent argument, although his last comment, the one that you majored on, was a little ad hominem, I'll agree. But not enough to dismiss his point out of hand.
>>702829480 did he actually have the operation? it starts with hormones, only a portion of trans people have SRS for a variety of reasons. for the operation you need to be on hormones for a year and fulltime for a year. there is no reason to deny someone who has lived as a woman for a year and says that she prefers living as a woman. your friend could have had omitted things to the doctor. you are entering dangerous territory if you're saying "i know your feelings better than you because i know someone who killed himself".
>>702830011 It's simple. >Friends wants to transition >You won't let them or won't stay their friend because you don't believe they have a problem. Or some how you know better than they do about themselves. >This isn't a form of control How's high school?
>>702830374 listen, actions and words have meaning. if your friend doesn't want to stay friends with you after your sex change it's his/her decision. if he/she wanted to be friends with a different gender he/she would have made friends with said gender in the first place
i dont understand why people don't understand that if you make them feel uncomfortable they don't want to be around you.
no, you don't get to decide what makes them feel uncomfortable eaither. reality is what it is.
>>702830089 No he still had his dick. And you're right. He wasn't transgender. He had mental problems. But as I see transgenderism gaining more traction I can't help but think about those who'll take the step only to regret it later and doctors giving this operation to anyone saying they don't like the gender they're born with.
Maybe you should read my earlier posts because assuming my stance on transgender issues.
>>702826631 Yeah, it's pretty obvious you're a whiny child. I'll bet you're just another opinionated, underageb&, on here defending leftist policies that make sense in the nonsense wonderland that is 1st world childhood. I remember being an anarchist in jr high, and a white nationalist(i'm american) in highschool. Being a teenager can be confusing. But back in my day we had ideas about changing society, not our own genetic makeup. You kids these days are crazy.
>>702830913 >Maybe if you had arguments you'd say them but clearly you have none. They were already posted. Do you need the link for them in this post because this is your first bait thread? >>702831346 Did you? Just fyi there is a really poor chance your friend just flew under the radar 5 years ago and managed to try hormone therapy for x amount of time. Your story illicits sympathy, doesn't make it true. >>702830919 K. Doesn't really alter what I said about being a shitty friend to someone by attempting to control them through social pressure. >no, you don't get to decide what makes them feel uncomfortable eaither. You're right. Doesn't mean they're in the right for disliking someone based on how they were born.
>>702829974 It's a new term for something existing since prehistoric times. Intersex individuals were illustrated in cave drawings. African, Asian, and Anericans had names for nonbinary individuals thousands of years ago. Read a history book
You're either literally retarded or don't know what you're talking about. The brain isn't even a tenth formed when you're born. The most significant developments occur within the first few years of life. You CAN 'train' your brain into and out of things in the first 10 or so years of life. For example, you dont like a certain food at age 5, your parents force you to eat it. You tolerate it and eventually enjoy eating it due to mere exposure theory. I agree when you say they're a serious problem for society, but if it weren't for tumblr and other bullshit 'everything counter-culture is positive and should be accepted' sites and groups, we wouldn't have this problem. I personally know 2 trans people from when I was in elementary school. They were perfectly normal, but as soon as they started using tumblr, they became radicalised and convinced that mainstream society was out to get them
>>702831740 >control them through social pressure when im with my friends i want to grab the table and shake it violently while screaming but i know they wouldn't like me as much afterwards. man, it sucks how social pressure really controls my actions.
they would be in the wrong for disliking me after that, just because i was born with the urge to shake tables violently and scream uncontrollably. everybody should always like me no matter what i do or say.
Gender fluency is a mental illness and not a gender.
It is an identity problem, where a person can not identify with his/her most basic elements of personality, such as gender. If your identity's basis is in continuous fluctuation, it means that you have severe problems with yourself, which need professional help instead of some ideological bullshit.
Most of this gender shit is being used by people, who want to feel special and differate themselves from other people by unhealthy means. This shit is really dangerous and can damage a person's psyche, when they are left with personality problems without seeking any help.
>>702828155 I didn't say you considered them strait. I said you are normalizing degeneracy by giving these degenerate perverts any other name than degenerates or perverts. Theres an unlimited variety of degenerates, you can spend eternity coming up with [sic]all of them. But they're all the same.
>>702831740 What the fuck are you even talking about. LEARN TO FUCKING READ.
I don't know when he started hormones therapy and I've been friend with him the whole way through. He just admitted it at one point. Also fuck you for thinking you're the voice of transgender people. You don't want good, you just want to push your point into everyone's throat even though you know you're wrong.
HERE'S THE POST SO YOU CAN READ IT AGAIN
You never had friends do you? A friend is a person you love to hang with, share things with. The guy wasn't comfortable with his sexuality. He said he didn't saw himself as a man because he was small and frail. He didn't have much luck with women either which he accorded again to him not being ''man enough''. And then one day he comes saying he started hormone therapy to become who he truely was. 5 years later he killed himself. Changing sex didn't fix him. Also fuck you for laughing at someone's death.
>>702832947 The truth is, not everyone needs sugar and bullshot. Sometimes we need to hear things that we don't want to. It's ego that sabotages us into thinking standing up to everyone all the time is even useful. It isn't. And not listening to negative opinions because they're negative is the same. It's lying to ones self, period.
Such fluctuation in identity means that a person can't truely ever build a working personality that one can be happy with. That leaves the person with feelings of anger, unhappiness and despair leading to social and emotional problems. One can't really function well in social situations if one has never built a system of interaction, values and opinions based on a solid understanding and acceptance of him/herself.
That can only lead in misery and unhealthy mental life.
>>702832531 Cute false equivalency >>702832395 >Source, developmental biopsychology major >The stories and information posted here are artistic works of fiction and falsehood Prove it. >In college >Thinks it's that the trannies are crazy and not tumblr If I'm misreading your post, my bad. Otherwise you're retarded.
>>702832947 Did you ever actually ask about his debatable existing dysphoria? It seem made up, anon. There's a lot of convenient missing details. That said. Your friend not getting the help he needed doesn't mean actual or other transgenders dont. Sorry >>702832720 There is. Ask /lgbt/
>>702832865 For statistical purposes, such as tracking the spread of AIDS, these terms are necessary. Not all sexual degeneracy commonly holds the same risks or influences behavior the same way. So sorry science is concerned with what you view as "degenerate" when attempting to gather statistical data
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