>>702783926 We are enlightened, you will all come to realize this. Time will prove this human right.
So much aggression within your shell, let go of it. Every act of aggression perpetrated by you or on to you is done to yourself. Self hatred is no way to exist.
Why is it so strange to imagine that things are not as they seem to be? Our knowledge is ever expanding. People used to think the world was solid, but then quantum physics came along and proved everyone wrong.
>>702783354 when i wake up, i sometimes ask myself if this is still me, or another person with all the memories of the ones that went to sleep before me and died? What if sleep is actually death of your soul and consciousness, and i am going to die next time i put myself to sleep?
>>702784675 If you want to think that way. Just remember that you are simply a pattern. Every thought you have is just a pattern of atoms. You don't really exist in the sense you are a separate being that is completely independent of everything else.
>>702785259 Even though I know everything is just a game, that nothing must go on, I still act like everything is serious and really going on. It's more fun that way. Well nice talking to you, I have to go now.
>>702785423 It will allow your ego to let go of worry and fear. Because when you understand that it is all a game, there is no longer any reason to worry.
We must all come together to once again create paradise. The only way to do this is to awaken people to the fact that we are not separate. There is no you and I, there is only us and what we make of the world together.
Life, Consciousness and everthing we percieve is not of any meaning. billions and trillions of years you were unborn and thus dead. and when you've lived your "life", you'll be dead again. Life is a hiccup, a disturbance and an error in a universe which strives for a balance. all things will come back to the only true diety in our universe, the equilibrium
If you were truly enlightened, you would realize that humans do not exist. Nothing really exist, it just is. The only thing that matters is to just be. I agree with the anons in this thread, lay off the psychedelics bro, I admit they are fun, but go find happiness find a wife, have kids, take off your shirt, eat a hot dog.
>>702783354 go back to /x/ >>702783520 only drug this faggot is on is mental illness. I've eaten psychedelics literally a hundred times and never once seriously concluded I was "The Any" or whatever this dude is on about.
>>702785702 You are The Any though, you've really played a trick on yourself if you think that you are really just some human. You've played this game an infinite of times before. You've played the cat game, you've played the dog game. Yet all of this is hidden behind your ego.
>>702783354 Its true. Figured it out 3 years ago. Its a secret that only people who freed themselves from illusion can see. Even through rational reasoning. You dont know? Youll see it when your monkey-avatar dies. :)
>>702785922 As someone who has experienced ego death, I can tell you that, no, I'm not playing any game or hiding anything from myself with my ego and I can tell you that you are talking out of your ass, most likely because of YOUR ego.
>>702785892 Don't not pick his language. His message is true. Everything is a game. In other words, nothing has to happen, this existence isn't mandatory. Nothing is pushing everything around, everything happens spontaneously for the sake of itself, not to fulfill a purpose or some end goal
>>702786274 Because I don't think the exact same thing as you? Because I haven't come to the precise conclusions you have? Once again, I'd ask you to check again whether it is our egos at play here or yours, because from where I'm sitting it seems you are quite invested in being Mr. Wise Enlightened Guru and letting everybody else know about it and this is the behavior of an egotistical person.
we are just a fractal, a possibility of the infinite everything that exists all at once. time is an illusion, a subjective dimension that allows you to experience the game of life. to forget that we are everything.
>>702787160 its the best thing you can can feel, its unexplainable what it feels like. your human brain cant hold onto any of the information but when you are linked to it and able to see it, you know what its like but you wont be able to remember any of it afterwards. just take alot of psychedelics to get to it.
>>702785577 Cool. Try that on the mudslides. How about you ground yourself in reality while you're here and learn human history.
You utopian dream is just a way for you to escape reality. Life is struggle. While your wasting other people's ressources or putting yourself in debt so you can think, you are a burden on everybody. A real, non metaphysical burden. Also, you have zero proof that what you experienced is not just a function on the mind. Just because you are reluctant to believe it could all be from your brain, doesn't mean it isn't. You are completely delusional. This comes from an ex psychedelic user.
>>702790722 Global consciousness is undeniable. You are literally using it right now to communicate with me. If we didn't have a global consciousness we would not even be able to communicate because language would not be a thing, and especially something as complicated and a ever growing as the English language.
>>702791114 So standardized schooling that taught us to read and write and the internet is global consciousness? we're not talking about the same thing
>>702791242 Global consciousness as a theory works on everything that's conscious, that means snails too. You and I had the luxury of growing up with the internet so of course we're growing at a faster rate but that growth unilateral. low class culture is growing just as rapidly, degenerate knowledge bases of just how degenerate you can be is growing rapidly, relative knowledge and understanding of sciences and social climates, cliques, socioeconomics, education of foods, methods of speaking, all of it. Its all on the same up swing.
Snails haven't done anything new since they were classified. You'd think "avoid sidewalks" would be a pretty big aspect to put on the snail-consciousness-grid
>>702792671 The ego is just another part of existence, like everything else it can be both useful and harmful. It is harmful only if you believe yourself to be your ego, but if you use your ego as a tool to achieve a goal for example then it is great thing to have. The ego is how we experience things in this dimension of time, it is there for a reason.
>>702783354 do you know about alan watts? he's dead now, but he basically introduced eastern philosophy to the western audience in the mid 1900's.
beyond that is just the idea of eastern philosophy, like hinduism and buddhism. ideas like how we are all just one fundamental consciousness being expressed in each person. how the ultimate 'goal' of the universe is for YOU (meaning everyone) to figure this out, then it starts over. how you are bound to samsara-- the cycle of life, death, and rebirth.
what would be your reaction though if it was true? you die, it goes dark or whatever, then you wake up in a room with a bedtable, all strapped up to a machine that feeds and cleans while you play this game called "life" the game was only a couple days worth of play but it felt like a lifetime.
what would be even crazier is if you also looked in a mirror somewhere or some shit and you don't even look like the you in the game;
>>702793442 I had similar thoughts on an acid trip, hypothetically speaking if that were to happen I'd look for my first opportunity to take as many lives as possible. Cause then I could blame it on video games
there is no answer that i can come up with regarding death. i will never say "i am truly okay with the eternal oblivion." i will never have suitable evidence to calm my worries, so i just choose not to worry.
if i am in the shower, and the thought dawns "hey, you're a human and in 60 years or so you're going to be dead. forever." and i say to myself "yep that's true" and i move on. i don't dwell on it. dwelling on it only makes me anxious and never leads me to a solution.
i envy those who have conviction in their religion. those who have truly unwavering faith. those who KNOW what will happen when they die. i will never know that feeling, but so what. getting worked up about it won't help me.
>>702793471 What is the idea behind things that steal us away from unification? What is the idea behind everyone getting essentially further apart, and how does that fit into it? He had a master and doctorate in divinity and theology respectively, what does he think about chaos?
>>702783354 Hey OP, I know I'm late to the thread, and I haven't read any of the previous posts, but you seem to confident in your way of thinking.
I've spent only a few weeks now learning about Buddhism, but I am so sure I've found the meaning of "life". I'm am quite confident that I am capable of making the choice to walk away from life, humanity, emotion, and to fill a role that gives me purpose and happiness. I've been learning about the holographic universe, and I don't think I can see the universe in a grain of sand. However, I feel the ocean entering the raindrop, rather than the raindrop entering the ocean. Would you mind informing me if you think I'm just some dumb kid or perhaps onto something much greater than existence of ignorance?
>>702793442 Have you watched Rick and Morty? They visit the equivalent of a Chuck E. Cheese but way out in the universe. Rick slams down a VR helmet and Morty spends 70 years living the life of of a specific made up person. After finally dying, if flashes game over and Rick takes off the helmet and puts it on. He exists on a much higher plane of intelligence and is capable of living the life of the same person but with cheat codes, such as no social security number. It's a really fascinating episode and an AMAZING tv show.
>>702794271 No all things aren't shared. Foolish child I have rid myself of all emotion and attachments. You humans sicken me and I will continue to slowly rid this place of your kind. Share that bitch
Oooo, a new age/transcendentalism rabbit hole thread. Good opinions being tossed around. #1 Find out who God is. Ask Him to help you undeestqnd the truth of our existence and he will. This takes much effort, because only a person that seeks God openly with the intention of surrending all in complete obidence will get to the level of being God's intimate friend. I speak of Jesus Christ by the way, the only GOD of the universe. His existence and divinity shouldn't be viewed as "bogus" but, because of this fallen world and satans cunning plot that has over time convinced generations of people that there is no God, Jesus, who is the only God that can lead you to true understanding becomes a brainwashed person's enemy or joke.
>>702792891 >Living like a nihilist sounds like agony That is your perception of nihilism as someone who isn't a nihilist. It's only agony until you remember that it's not. Then it's just annoying. Like explaining this tedium to you is for me. Doesn't mean I won't do it. Doesn't mean I can't find pleasure in it.
>>702793777 Living in fear of death is OK in my opinion. People who choose to have a life, (a wife, kids, a job, if you want to pay your rent) are not going to be okay with death until they are free from the things that are attached too. I used to think, "As long as I've made a positive impact on this world, I will die with a smile on my face." I've contemplated that the "as if" I've had to add to being okay with death is the reason I had a self. But once (I myself haven't made the leap to abandon my self) you are able to die tomorrow, or even when you walk out the door, I think that only then will you be truly liberated from the human condition.
>>702795266 >when it wears off When what does? >Just find something new? To do? Yes? Are you bored all the time? Did I misunderstand you? >What happens when it catches up and the world tears your cells apart with a virus? When what catches up? Reality? I don't ignore reality. Virus? I guess I would die, maybe. >enjoying? No, I'd be dead or sick. Are you retarded? It's not like pain just goes away when you stop believing in subtext and shit.
>>702795306 I'm not a Buddhist, I've only read one book about the Buddha's life. I only speak of the human condition as I've learned from a few psychology seminars. I think the only thing that separates you and I is that I began to feel like a cold, emotionless, robot that did as told and enjoyed it. Living is suffering, but as long as you find happiness and sadness in it, fuckin' rock it man.
you know whats funny; i can't even remember what the singular subject was that i meditated on that day. this was more than 5 years ago i believe. do you guys remember what subject you were meditating on when you awakened?
im really stoned btw so sorry if i become a little incoherent
So, take your RP shit, and shove it up your ass. One metaphysical realm to which I have no access to is no different than another metaphysical realm to which I have no access to. If I'm not real, it doesn't matter, because then everything else would be equally not real, and awash.
Thus nothing would be "unreal". There would (not) exist, any contradictory state of realness. Everything is then real.
And it doesn't matter.
Seriously. I live with it daily. Go fuck yourself.
>>702795694 I smoked weed and I couldn't help but feel awakened, but in a specific branch of Buddhism, they believe that everyone is born enlightened, and through the use of psychoactive substances, that you can reach it yet again. I haven't taken this path but it sounds pretty damn righteous.
There is a black hole at the heart of biology. Bluntly put, we do not know why life is the way it is. All complex life on earth shares a common ancestor, a cell that arose from simple bacterial progenitors on just one occasion in 4 billion years. Was this a freak accident, or did other ’experiments’ in the evolution of complexity fail? We don't know? We do know that this common ancestor was already a very complex cell. It had more or less same sophistication as one of your cells, and it passed this great complexity on not just to you and me but to all its descendants, from trees to bees. l challenge you to look at one of your own cells down a microscope and distinguish it from the cells of a mushroom. They are practically identical. l don't live much like a mushroom, so why are my cells so similar? It's not just that they look alike. All Complex life shares an astonishing catalogue of elaborate traits, from sex to cell suicide to senescence, none of which is seen in a comparable a form in bacteria. There is no agreement about why so many unique traits accumulated in that single ancestor, or why none of them shows any sign of evolving independently in bacteria. Why, if all of these traits arose by natural selection, in which each step offers some small advantage, did equivalent traits not arise on other occasions in various bacterial groups?
>>702796289 I remember where I was. In a field with a bunch of other dirty hippies. remember what specifically? not everything just the things I want to remember novel moments camaraderie existentialisms etc.
Although I wouldn't call it being "awakened" any more than taking LSD is "unlocking your brain". They're basically what other people call God. A simpler way to express complex concepts that otherwise do not engage your limbic system.
>>702796651 Well yeah he made brazen accusations of the state of awareness that the collective of /b/ is in the moment after he said "ive been reading psychology lately..."
Just like a hipster would. "Im an expert even though i just started reading some cool wikipedia articles about plato and new agey stuff and then wahh hurr durr im enlightened." Pretty much in that order.
>>702796888 >what is scope Scope failure. Everything is not equally real and unreal in infinity, because there is no defined parameter as to what possess this quality of being of infinite.
If you mean states, then if there are infinite states, there cannot be equal states of quality X and quality Y, because the states now do not >have a boundary. They continue, "forever". To suggest that they would definitely have equal counterparts, even assuming dichotomy, is ludicrous for an infinite set of sets, because there only exists a non-finite limit for their quantity.
Unless what you just said is wholly mired by abstraction, in which case you meant to suggest that >everything has qualities >distinction is irrelevant Which I both acknowledge and refuse to acknowledge because of the implications.
>>702796705 Something much similar exists in the realm of physics, I would highly recommend looking into the holographic universe theory. I liked the metaphor that if you were to take a holographic picture of a rose and shot a laser through it, you would get a rose. But if you cut it in half, (with two lasers) you would see two pictures of two roses. This can be said about a grain of sand, and the entire universe.
>>702797445 Truth can only be truth if all parties agree that what is, is. Since all parties cannot agree (due to the unique nature of each individual), there are no absolute truths. You assert that there are truths. I assert that there are no truths. Are there truths? It's paradoxical.
>>702785702 >I've eaten psychedelics literally a hundred times and never once seriously concluded I was [more than this body and mind] that's because you're not good at it. you're probably also kind of stupid, no offense
>>702797925 I disagree. Is your statement true or false? It is both. That's what i'm saying. Asserting that there are absolute truths is false because things are both true and untrue depending on the observer. You're right and you're wrong. Deal with it.
>>702797612 >semantics Well, I'm going to choose to stop listening to you right there.
Because you are not grasping >>702796341 I wake up, and often I have no concept of time. There is no then, now, later, soon, after. Any of my recollections of things, moments, collapse into one. There is no distinction.
Everything seemingly collapses into one moment. I look at my hands, and I don't even feel >there >real I don't even feel as if I'm simply in my bed, rather than I am actively in all of the moments I can grasp, at once. I fail to grasp where I am.
For a brief moment, I'm every state I ever was prior to the moment I stare at the wall. I have a very solid (pun intended) grip on unreals and reals. I'd be willing to put forth that I very much understand what it feels like to be "infinite", and it's a horrible feeling when you aren't completely in disarray.
>>702785702 There are accepted rules and methods for psychedelics. It is self evident that if you want to be high, you'll get high. If you truly, truly want to see who god really is, you will find your own answer. It simply seems you don't desire to know/are in fear of your own existence
>>702798091 Truth and justice are not synonymous. A Pear is a Pear if you call it a Pear and others recognize it as a Pear, doesn't matter if it's actually an apple. That is Justice. Truth is that it's an Apple and everyone's retarded.
>>702785971 so you are telling me natural numbers do exist? There's no difference between natural numbers, imaginary numbers or any (well-defined) mathematical concept at all when it comes to the question of existence. To go even further, the same rules apply to any scientific theory. In the end, all concepts of the mind can be perceived as being on the same level of existence, even our concept of existence itself. Thus, either everything (including everything our minds come up with) is real and exists in this world, or nothing does.
>>702798286 >Infinity is self evident and true Infinity is a concept that cannot be (is) because it does not exist in nature and has no "self" to be self-evident. Infinity is not "true". What you described as infinity was self-fulfilling concept because you claim it is what it is defined as. This is not proof or verification. These concepts merely exist. You have proven nothing.
>>702790195 Please open your mind. Just because something is foreign/unconventional/unfamiliar to you, doesn't mean it is wrong. Who's to say what's right? Everything is subjective. His way of thinking is not any more "right" or "wrong" than yours. His priorities are different.
>>702783354 I've never seen that term, "The Any". Only nobody can seem to be somebody. And nobody is no-thing. Nobody's rejection of not being a somebody is pretty strange and funny when you're established in nobodiness. But it is also easy to intellectualize the way of it so that there appears to be a somebody who knows truth, which would of course be back into paradox, no? Mind will come and claim the grandest, most subtle and profound concepts. Be vigilant!
>>702799473 Wow, buddy. You don't get it, do you? Infinity does not exist. Point to infinity. Infinity does not exist in any natural form that we can all observe and all agree upon. It is a concept created explicitly to describe what cannot be pointed to and agreed upon. What it seems like to me is that you're trying to say that infinity is a concept used to describe everything all at once. This is the definition. You keep repeating facets of the definition as if it were an argument. It's not. It is true that the concept of infinity exists. Infinity is defined as limitless bounds. This does not prove that truths are truths or truths even exist.
>>702787160 Words are misleading. When you "remember" that you're everything you also know that you are no-thing, and that as no-thing, nothing has ever happened to you. You could also say we forget everything to remember nothing, but to be more specific, when we forget the personal attachments to the world and life-story of this seeming individual that we call "I", then immediately we glimpse freedom-peace. What is left is to abide there, beyond the growing recognition of the illusion called life, the world, etc.
>>702800519 the awoken person may either use his abilities to obtain anything he desires and hurt anybody without directing anything insulting at them or he will go insane unsure of how to control his powers
>>702800441 All negative expressions directed at the ones you think are separate from you only exposes your own insecurity of your existence. The ideas scare you so much that you cannot even let them into your mind as you feel they threaten your very being itself. And they do.
>>702800518 It's just stupid people who need to feel smart about something, so they come up with all this shit and pretend they're wise. The "next step" in their "spiritual evolution" is starting a youtube channel like Spirit Science.
>>702800661 >let me just write you a story about my perception of you despite not understanding simple fucking abstract concepts. Please don't take my use of pejoratives as proof of your concept. It's not. I just like calling you retarded in the hopes that you'll realize that you're retarded and seek help.
My mind is neither open or closed. It merely is as defined by the majority, not your drug-addled brain.
>>702800640 >>702800818 There is no awoken person. Talk that seems to be coming from an awoken person deserves a proper cane-smacking of the most compassionate intent. Talk of the illusion around those deeply embedded results only in confusion and rejection. Someone will not rip off their bandaid if they think there's still a wound healing under it. Silence is your way.
>>702801238 The point is that there is no wound, because there is not one to be wounded or to need a band aid. >>702801421 Awakening is the absence of a person, and the presence of a person is the absence of awakening. There can seem to be a transitional middle ground, but that is from the perspective of the person.
>>702801178 Hold on while I write you a story about a unicorn with a conical horn. Now that I've defined it as a concept, surely it exists in reality, right? Concepts do come from reality but that is not proof or verification that the concept actually exists in a tangible form.
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