Dear oldfags what was the old /b/ like?
Personally I don't think 4chan is that great
It's just full of ylyl threads trap threads and rekt threads
Was the old /b/ more fun?
It seems now if anybody even suggests doing anything that doesn't involve those threads mentioned above they're just hit with "NYPA"
So can i get some opinions from oldfags
>mfw been on 4chan longer than some posters here have lived
It was shit, just different kind of shit.
I stopped browsing /b/ on regular basis around the time of Habbo raids and Hal Turner.
After 2012 everything online (not just 4chan) got really shitty.
some of the same shit, mpre raids, way more harder porn, some cp, more of fucking up peoples lives, less for no reason. there were trap threads but way less and with way less content (not every second fag was a faggot back then), the memes were different but the same shit tier quality most of the time, but at least they werent all over social media too.
I remember when the internet was for social outcasts, pedos and degenerates. Then we had shit like Totse and shit like YTMND/Newgrounds was just starting, flash animation was cutting-edge.
Miss those days.
I think it was funnier back then , with anons really committing to the cause. no stupid banana threads back then, it was all about the lulz.
nowadays it`s full of porn, I think this is because the average age is now much lower as 4chan gt a lot of popularity amongst teenagers.
Shoe on head, queens of b.. what other memes are you remembering oldfags?
Just cool it with the pics i meant to post this one and just realised that her name was left in the file
It was about half threads with stuff and half people complaining about threads with stuff.
In the very beginning most of the arguing was about how cancerous Animé X Y or Z was and those threads were killing the board.
/b has not changed much with the exception of increasingly impotent raid threads that go nowhere. Mostly because the internet is more inured to our shit, they don't fall for it as much.
we were THE ARMY, we were all involved to create great stuff, great lulz. I can`t remember the last time I really laughed here. I still come back, the jewels are rarer these days but I keep at it.
maybe I have an oldfag attitude that nothing will ever be like it was, and it shouldn`t because our nature is too evolve, but it should evolve to better conditions
/b/ was great back in the day because 2003-2007 was a time when the internet was really starting to blossom. Most of the content was original, the majority on the internet weren't 60 year old grandmas living on facebook, it was youth and the wizards. It was just a better place in general the internet.
I miss the old days
I wasn't here from the start by any means but I was here consistently from say 2008.
This was a time before "memes" and "internet culture" were actual things, but /b/ was abundant in both.
/b/ was constantly pumping out these creative, funny jokes that spread like wildfire over the Internet. There was essentially a lot more original content because /b/ had the only people making it.
I remember there being a lot less gay and transsexual porn. Like way, way less.
There was less porn in general actually, because there were simply more interesting things going on.
I also remember it being way way more active. Threads moves more quickly and a thread had to be extremely
Popular so just sit on the front page. Not the case anymore.
I've seen that i've seen the evidence on youtube about the epic raids and stuff like that oldfags were like the proper 90s kids but now a days the newfags (myself included) are too boring and wont commit to anything,Do you suggest we try anything now?You're the oldfag make with the ideas,I just want to see how many will commit
Everyone use to be a dick WAY WORSE then now. CONSTANT myspce/fb raids. Male people an hero on vid. Everyone was heartless it was awesome. NOW you 4chan NEW FAGS called mods on anyone FOR THE DUMBEST SHIT. If you were born after 1990 you're a fucking moron basically.
OP on the right
What's she doing with her mouth?
I can reaffirm. Not just 4chan but the whole internet got shitty. Social media took over and started dictating what the masses do. Feels like the internet not only got smaller but shitier to.
>more pics of her
yeah she's a tease
no pics with Holly though
/b/ was always not your personal army. Thats nothing new.
In the "glory days" there was no trap threads, no dick threads, no mlp, and cp was pretty common.
It was a magical time.
But then the newfag normies started coming here, most of the oldfags left and now we have the /b/ everyone knows today.
/b/ was always shit, but it used to be a unique kind of shit you couldn't really find anywhere else.
Now you can get the same kind of discourse, and same pictures on pretty much any website on the internet.
I'd say the decline began in 2011 when 'memes' became popular and you had people filtering in from the 'cheezburger' network and 9gag looking for some holy ground of 'fresh memes', back then people talked about 4chan as if it was a secret club full of hacking, raids and memes, this influx of people expecting something that /b/ was not began the steady decline of people clinging onto the things they felt /b/ should be about (gore and funny pictures) and demanding that they should be the only things posted about. The final nail in the coffin was in 2014 when the whole gamergate shit kicked off and hotwheelschan became a big thing for about a week.
Since then /b/ has just been this lifeless husk just repeating the same threads and posting the same pictures every day. I'd say up until 2014 you could see some kind of hope for 4chan left, but now it's just generic as fuck with no sign of redemption.
I`m an oldfag, therefore tired. the youth is the future so you need to come up with good shit.
first of all, not so much gay porn and trap porn, the amount I see each day is getting ridiculous. also less porn in general, I am here mainly for the lulz. I can get porn anywhere, the internet is full of it.
also no nyPA threads, nowadays it`s usually some kid that his gf cheated on him and he wants revenge. raid together for the lulz, that is what commitment here means.
making fun of 9gag, that was always an option.
do you know what shoe on head is? that`s the good stuff.
There were more thoughtful posts asking for honest advice on subjects OPs couldn't ask anywhere, good ylyl posts before some guy got butthurt about them in 09 or something and started trolling them. More creepy felons posting creepy shit they did. Now all the felons get PA'd by high school detectives, ylyl gets banana'd and it's all roboposts of amateurs or traps as well as the random drug or kys post. Ever since Stormfront moved in, it's sucked anyway.
hey oldfags, there used to be a meme with an old chinese man sleeping in various places, I remember one of them was in the arms of abe lincoln, the monument from washington. this stuff is from 2008-2009, I could not find it online.
>TL;DR: /b/ was never good.
The thing about /b/ is that it used to be a containment board for all topics that didn't already have a board on 4chan. As time went on people would complain about how much of subject 'x' would get posted on /b/ and that all other topics would get pruned as a result. So then /b/ turned into a passive voting process to acquire your own board (see pokemon, my little pony, etc).
Presently, /b/ is an overflow board. In other words, shit that doesn't get acknowledgement in its origin board or when theres already an influx of that same topic in its containment board makes its way here. Thats why you see a lot of trap porn or dick rate threads here. /gif/ only tolerates 'x' amount of gay shit and /soc/ usually has like 2 - 3 dick rate threads at any given time. Also /gif/ is literally just porn: the board which is why you get a lot of ylyl/rekt threads in here.
/b/ literally does what it was designed to do. The problem us that we are running out of content that doesn't already have it's own board.
The only thing I'd like to see get its own containment board now is the g/fur and furry shit. Im tired of scrolling through it for shit thats actually interesting.
NYPA has always been a thing. It was more prevalent though as people started "discovering" 4chan and the raids and thought they could just show up and go "make so and so suffer!" Not realizing /b/ or 4chan didn't raid at someone's behest, but when the momentum was at its peak.
Personally, I think the best thing for 4chan would be board vs. board raids. Internal strife would do wonders for this places creativity. When was the last time /fit/ took it's fat hate hivemind and rolled through /cgl/ and /soc/?
fucking hell i made this like 3 hours ago how the fuck has it not died??and now her sister and mother have been involved ffs lads!!!! i'm assuming at least 1 of you virgin cunts have made contact with her?
It was not me. Have many triforce for confirmation
I've been coming here since 2004. I have maybe posted 15 posts in total in my years. 4chan has always been shitty. Few people that use it are productive content creators but it has always been the best least regulated and censored place I've been. Only reason i still tolerate it.
4chan is and always will be shit and will probably continue to get worse. But it's our shithole.
Consequences will never be the same!
I totally agree, too much porn destroyed this place. Or the internet in general. /b/ is full of teenagers sharing their saved teen tits and tranny pics. Absolutely annoying. It's not about the random shit you found on the internet any more.
>What was the old /b/ like
>50% get threads
>25% lets raid another board thread
>5% facebook is stupid thread
>10% stale copypasta
>1% I'm so sad and lonely threads
>1% Cheese Pizza/kitchen sink threads
>just hit with NYPA
Raids used to involve effort, an IRC channel to coordinate and more than just 'help me annoy my school/ex/hair-trigger SJW/some 12 year old fag on youtube' or 'let's post hashtags kekekek'
NYPA is entirely appropriate for these low-energy faggot attempts at raiding. Pure 100% cancer.
that might be skewed, I forgot!!!
40% get threads
15% lets raid another board thread
5% facebook is stupid thread
10% stale copypasta
1% I'm so sad and lonely threads
1% Cheese Pizza/kitchen sink threads
14% YLYL threads
1% personal army threads
5% sauce threads
>What was the old /b/ like
>50% get threads
>25% lets raid another board thread
>10% stale copypasta
>14% I'm so sad and lonely threads
>20% Cheese Pizza/kitchen sink threads
It used to be great. I was here around 2006 2007 and stopped browsing regularly around 2009. It was much more approachable from the standpoint of communicating with your fellow /b/tard. People cared a lot more in general about keeping the community in quality content. Less bullshit and more /b/ullshit.
Older /b/ was still kinda shit, it was just different shit. Honestly not missing out on too much. Only thing old /b/ had going for it was the occasional diamond in the rough. I only started browsing semi-regularly my freshman year back in 2005, so I might have missed out on a lot of cool stuff that came around back then. I was too caught up in runescape and my gf to really visit here often over the years.
lol, I forgot Bawww and named them "i'm so sad and lonely" lmao
yeah...banana was chemo that got out of hand. :(
i mean it was inevitable once 4chan and anonymous hit the news.
I remember days before forced anon and no number posting how get threads were almost 75% of page one.
My favorite raids were those documenting how anon was harassing tom green. Those were gold.
We don't have good lulz anymore because nobody participates in anything. Everybody just recycles the same pictures every day in ylyl threads. There's no OC. There used to be so much OC on here whether it was good or bad people at least tried. And when the opportunity comes where we could get potential lulz now, everyone here is fucking lazy and says NYPA LOL LOL NIGGER
Did the oldfags go anywhere? Or is that some secret?
Where do you guys go while bored at work? /b/ used to be great for that but now its all trap threads and dicks and FB bullshit. The shadows of the interesting threads linger but they end up going down in flames of shitposting/other reckless faggotry. advice?
I don't browse everyday anymore. And I get some giggles every time I'm here. But I can say with some degree of certainty that the only good hard hard laugh and only moment I've really appreciated all summer was the morning of OP Cottage Cheese God.
Have to say take note of this thread newfags
Notice how everybody is being decent to each other?
Notice how peoples ideas are being taken into consideration?
If one of you newfags had started this thread it would have been about 2 posts 1 saying NYPA and the other saying Faggot
LEARN FROM THE OLDFAGS
I'm a newfag but still
Best bro showed me 4chan in 2008.
He told me that we would create something beautiful so we made up a little situation for a wat do thread.
The frist answer was "will it blend".
I use that thread and the advice given inside it to explain what /b/ could be like.
Frist time I've admitted telling a porkie pie on here.
Pic related... similar to the one we posted.
been around since 2004.
there used to be a lot more real discussion with less spitefulness. people used to help each other more and we banded together to get nudes or invade another website. we self-organized very quickly to accomplish evil things.
now it's mostly porn, reposted porn. the internet is more regulated, and less illegal behavior is allowed on the boards.
one of the best things about older /b/ was the creation of original content - pepes, art, draw threads, poetry and stories. i don't see that much anymore. i think the creative minded people have been drowned out by porn and have left.
the biggest thing that i've seen lost is the sense of hivemindedness. people tend to talk to each other as individuals, rather than as a hoard of anonymity. the new ID features fractured us a lot.
>like that one recently where a guy was showing off old war forts around the world with the location in the name.
shared my cash treasure chest of my ex for that guy
Agree with all of that
/B/ was like an organised crime gang
And it was VERY well organised you're right everybody helped each other that's back when /b/ was the internets elite but if some of the oldfags come back and just point us new fags in the right direction we'll be back on top
07/8fag cheking in, there hardly any YLYL threads and all of this pics you shouldn't share bollocks - instead there were gore and rekt threads on the regs instead. There was definitely more 'hardcore' content that'd make even a desensitised fuck like me go "oh shit". There was also the street webcam phenomenon, such as that fucking card stand (I'll be there in 20 mins). Other than that, it's pretty much the same, same shit different year. Such is the way of life, trends come and go - but /b/ will live on.
it's cool that the spirit is still there .. but the internet itself has changed.
that's the problem too, i think. it used to be very commonplace to have child pornography on here. not that that's good, but it's an example of how the internet has become aware of the FBI/police and the FBI/police has become aware of the internet.
you used to be able to pretty much commit crimes online without any legal problems until about 2008-2010. there was a lot of encouraging suicide, very severe cyber bullying, large scale attacks on very young individuals.
i think that's much less true, and there's much more at stake now.
we invaded entire websites and shut down their communities at will. they would just have to wait until our presence left to continue as normal. the twitter destroy-your-iPhone memes are a good example of this -- injecting chaos into the mainstream -- a kind of culture jamming?
/b/ is MOST famous for its culture jamming (historically), do more of that and you'll see the hivemind unite together, that's my guess. but the porn is completely overwhelming
There were actual memes, not just image macros. Now there are too many sjw's fagging up the place with their faggotry. /b/ used to have originality. /b/ was never good, but it used to be entertaining.
for all you newfags... catch the fuck up...
Yes, the old /b/ had people posting OC fairly often. We had mostlyhetero's stories floating around and no one could source it. He's making new short stories now on a wattpad I hear. We had actual funny content on this board.
Those types of posts just separate the elite from the faggots
All wrote in proper English and all decent points made
The standard newfag response to that would have been "Kek Faggot"
Or some shit like that,I think from now on if you're reading this and you're a new or oldfag and somebody suggests a raid or something like that don't just say NYPA just consider it
Just go with it most of the oldfags are smart anyway and generally have a decent layout in their mind about how it's going to work so hear them out don't be a cunt
You never know old /b/ might return if we just listen to oldfags
Oh he's back he made this last year and has two more he just wrote. Shits so prime I fucking died laughing. Re other two stories he has on there are fucking glorious.
why dont newfags invade ios/android apps that are used by cheerleader/gymnast tweens? there are some fucking DUMB ASS apps like live.ly that are just begging to be invaded and recorded. the trolling and lols are endless.
there's so much cutting edge shit to FUCK UP, but it takes planning and commitment. there's a lot of work to be done.
Anons are too lazy to participate in anything these days so they just say LOL NYPA NIGGER then go back to their gay little dick rate threads
The cockwambles screaming NYPA are the peasants who have come over from Reddit who's idea of a 'raid' is reverse image searching something and then proceed to tickle their anus and smell their finger. Fuck, /b/ is basically Reddit's even more autistic cousin these days. Shameful.
I'm a newfag. Would love to get behind something like that one night. But no idea how to go about organizing it. No idea how to rally the troops. I'm begging some oldfags to show us the oldways.
At the risk of sounding like a total loser, I think everyone here seems interested. Others probably are too. We should set a time. 10pm Eastern Time Friday night. To start a thread & get a good old fashioned raid going.
I remember this guys stories he rewrote 50 shades grey and called it 50 shades of gay and mailed it to the author like a week after the book came out. Lulz were had. This guy is a legend I don't think he posted on /b/ though.
Yeah and then some faggot copied his idea and put it on Amazon to sell "50 shades of gay" but that one wasn't even remotely funny. I'm glad someone else remembers this guy. Like no one remembers him, I doubt 90% of this board knows who that is.
There are, I am one of them. It's just we all know it simple cannot happen anymore. It's not entirely the populations fault, a lot of it to do is with the massive crackdown in internet activity these days. It's bait and can lead you to being b& unfortunately. I'm sure there's a willing oldfag out there, just takes the right one though. Myself? I'm just going to continue to lurk like the rest of the oldschool elite, almost like going for a drink with an old friend, but things are never like they used to be.
What's a sacred topic no one will write a fanfiction about? I bet if we ask mostlyhetero he'll write one and post it on their forums and rile everyone up. He said on his wattpad to request a story and he'll write one. He's known for doing that kind of shit. We could probs set up a good group of 5 people spamming his story on their shit or something.
I thought line trap was the actual queen of /b/ seeing as "queen" is slang for homosexual and this is some sort of board that promotes lulzy anarchy and not submitting to some shit ruler who lives in an island in the middle of fucking nowhere.
well done lads! at least you're willing you participate,We could make fridays 10pm eastern time the raiding hour but it's going to take a bit of work from the generals (oldfags) are you lads willing to help us take /b/ back to the top?
Switch the the good side, smack Yotsuba B on and sit back and watch it all go down in a mass of YLYL, PYSS and FB fap threads. Godspeed anon, may you hopefully experience the way old /b/ was, I really do.
difference between you and
is that there is at least some planning happening to do something somewhat lulzy.
enjoy your pessimism.
>old school elite hurrrrrrr
>OLD /B/ DURRRRRRRRRRRRRR
Most of us just moved on with life, some like me come back to see if the old spark survives but get disappointed to see the spontaneity, originality and creativity have died out.
The Internet has mainstreamed and the edgy cool feel has gone. Where once it was a frontier it is now mundane pedestrian surburbia and the noise created by mainstream faggotry makes it all too boring.
We can even start this now just to try it but we'll need at least 3 generals
I'm going to start a new thread 3 and just let the generals oldfags from 04-08 to list a few ideas and then whoever is interested here come with us and participate ignore all posts saying NYPA and only talk to people willing to join in
I've enjoyed this thread, a star shining through the shit. GG anons, GG. You dun did good today.
Do not disrespect your elders you dirty little hothead
2009 fag here
Most of the reasons for the decline and fall of not just /b/ but the rest of the boards has been stated. But the underlying thing that caused the decline was the popularity. More people came and did make the site more tame. More people means more content but it's not always good content. The thing I miss the most are the raids. No if there is a raid it's 50 (maybe). The site always had cancer but it was more balanced. Plus most of the original people are older now and maybe lurk once in awhile. Like it or not we are one of the few sites that still pretty much allows content that would get you banned any where else. In a few years we will talk about how great it was on here now. That's the circle of life on here
Everything's gone to hell... After 4chan really fell apart everyone went their separate ways. It's sorta like the enclave is fallout, there are little pockets of originality here and there but nothing massive like it used to be.
The old oldfags hated you no matter how long you were on here. I've been here since '09 and I will always be a newfag, you only become a more recent generation of newfag.
All the fun posting went to [s4s] and the original content went to /r9k/
This board is left with occassional gore, incest/cp/best threads, some occassional fun shenanigans and a couple memes
Mostly fucking facebook threads, which are 100 percent cancer
Enjoy the internet, creative cultural niches, harmless shenanigans being reported on the news as massive internet trolling.
Slowly the rot sets in as more and more plebs start using the internet. Then the internet through social media becomes a reflection of the general populace.
The socially enforced optimism, the ignorance and celebration of being a retard, the narcissism, the blogging and virtue signaling you got on the internet to avoid now pervades it.
If you are not in a place like this, an old seedy divebar of the internet there is no joy to be had in the public square.
Interesting threads and some sort of decent discussion died off as board speed skyrocketed. For the last 7 years only meme/bait posts manage to stay up. No one bothers with making threads that are interesting and judging by what gets replies no one cares anymore either
Spontaneity.... Yeah right,
After my parents go to bed on Friday night we can have a play date.
As someone points out the law's caught up with a lot of the /b/astardry that used to go on. Unless you're using a Russian or east euro proxy you're at risk of being prosecuted. And using a proxy exposes you to the crime gangs that dominate the Internet in countries that have unpoliced net.
Things ain't what they were and it won't come back because it's not possible to do what we used to.
As for live.ly raids there's already SJWs and religious fags crying out about the poor children suffering from Internet predators and trolls. After all poor little ugly faggot streaming it's faggotry may get called a faggot.... and we can't have that now because it's feelings might get hurt.
This will be brushed off as a newfag acting like an oldfag, but believe what you want.
For just shy of a decade, I've been at /b/. Most wouldn't like it. There were no girls on the internet, niggers got the derision they deserved, EFG failed at failing. There were some "raff ruse" threads, but they weren't ubiquitous. Last night, I scrolled through the gallery and counted no less than four fucking "YLYL" threads at once, three so full of bananas that they weren't worth scrolling through. OC wasn't so rare. Spiderman still took over threads, but spiderman was still mostly used to derail degenerate and cancerous shit like Furry and MLP threads (which are now sickeningly accepted or relegated to their own board, fuck you furfags).
Chanology was just picking up speed, but most of us were happier in our basements than wearing V masks in public. No little cunt faggot bitch boy had yet uttered the phrase "Mods mods mods!" like the whiny faggot they are. Rage comics were still four panels, with no text, relatable, and funny. Shitbrix threads were fun and none of us trusted gifs. We all constantly and simultaneously won and lost The Game (like we just did). Linetrap and Bill Kaulitz were sexuality confusing pop icons, and they were very limited. We didn't have trap threads every 40 seconds.
White Knights were much fewer and could be banned for spoiling fun. "Meme" still held Its original definition of "socially-shared idea and popular culture" rather than "picture with words superimposed". Raids still happened. Things were done for the lulz.
Sure, /b/ was never good, but it was a hell of a lot better than the 9gag clone to which your lot tries to convert it. /b/ died because perpetual summer killed it. One newfag at a time, people ignored rules 1 & 2 and brought their cancer with them. If the mods had any stones, or weren't involved in the faggot's coup themselves, they'd have started banning left and right. But they let you kill it.
Inb4 that fucking banana.
It's funny because the only person in here who's an oldfag is from 03 and was posting about MostlyHetero. I find it funny because you all called him underage and said b&.
You wonder why /b/ isn't as good anymore and now you can see why. Everyone who came in in the past 10 years or so feels entitled to something. Hate all you want, just making an observation that seems to be true since I've been here. You guys probably didn't even participate in closing the pool.
The old /b/ was much like today's, but there were some smart people who could actually hack, there was no tolerance for mistreatment of animals, there was some motivation to raid and actually do stuff. Otherwise, it's the same. New /b/ is like old but with a lot more idiots and a lot fewer smart people.
Couldn't have said it any better. Every now and then I will come across a thread with a topic that's coherent and engaging. Otherwise, it's the same cancer over and over again.
There was a lot more action in terms of organized trolling. The user base was extremely harsh to newfags, lurk more meant don't fucking post until you understand the board "culture". It was a much larger and much more dedicated group of wizards and autists overall. /b/ delivered. /b/ got shit done. /b/ vigorously encouraged emotion fags to kill themselves. /b/ generated oc out the ass.
It was a generational difference, really. The internet has gone to shit in general, from 4chan to neo-goon shitters to online gaming. Yours is the generation of the mindless oversexed imbecile casually consuming regurgitated garbage. We were doers, content creators, lurkers supreme, we grew up and into the internet at a time when 90% of the population was still figuring out how to use email and "social media" as a concept didn't exist. Those days are over. The idiocracy ruins everything.
this is true.. i can remember sending "nigger" faxes though just for the fuck of it.. nypa was really something to deter a newfag from begging for a personal request they should handle themselves.. but the overall fuckery of other request made it fun for everyone
you dont see rule34 much anymore or much OC
Mmmhm. You'll commit for 2-3 hours and then get back to scrolling through 9fag on your phone for several hours.
We convinced the BBC to post that David Bowie died of complications related to a pre-existing heart condition once. (who remembers that?!) It took dozens of people banging out content and spam for a solid 16 hours before it finally took. Go on, replicate that. Please.
It went downhill after 2010... but before that it was just Boxxi, Milhouse, Desu Desu and Slowpoke gets.... then that one chick with the cyber police thing... then I just quit paying attention.
>picture from 2008 ish
>says /b/ was great
>posts spiderman gif
>s p i d e r m a n
whatever small amount of oldfag hope in me that existed just died.
the only thing worse would be a cancer banana.
I just don't have time with job and wife. I got a pretty epic thread together to fund a life-size bronze statue of Moot when he quit 4chan. Nobody picked up the ball though. I think maybe it's just twelve-year-olds and guys who have actual lives now. I'm working right now. There were some good suggestions on costumes and props and positions for the statue.
/b went downhill when the collective bullying of children became common. It wasn't funny, it was pure cowardice. That's when it became clear that a good deal of /b really were angry basement dwelling wizards, and I have nothing in common with human scum like that
I think in old /b/ nobody would be taking sides between Hillary and Trump. I think they would both be regarded as useless, and probably it would be an embarrassment to talk about them at all. If somebody actually put forth that one of these losers was a good candidate, I think OP truly would be called a faggot enough to make him commit suicide.
How do you figure the old /b/ would take a clown seriously?
>are you fucking kidding me???
everyone that still around only likes trump because he is a literal troll irl.. that is it.. nobody would actually vote for him.. everyone would just talk shit about amerifags and how stupid they are and keep laughing at the 2 idiots on the ticket...
/b is anarchy not a ballot