He's getting out today.... Happy about this /b/ ???
The stories and information posted here are artistic works of fiction and falsehood.
Only a fool would take anything posted here as fact.
Only a fool would take anything posted here as fact.
He's getting out today.... Happy about this /b/ ???
Yes, he's living the dream.
>>702636922
you will need a bigger hook for this
>>702636922
Well he'll.get out but basically him being in the blacklist is a life sentence so hes slightly fucked either way
>>702636922
If he doesn't get beaten/threatened/vandalized to the point of having to be federally relocated and concealed, I'll be disappointed. It's not a feminist or white knight thing. Just a complete failure of the American justice system and blatant "you can't treat me like this, my daddy is rich!" card being played.
>>702636922
If he's such a good swimmer why didn't he just rape her in the water so he could make a fast escape?
Op here, I'm an enormous fahgot
He wasn't charged with rape.
>>702637498
Sexual assault is rape dipshit
>>702637239
>artist's rendition
>>702637498
Very interesting read but any source for this info (since it is 4ch after all)
>>702637498
Why does any of this matter? In the United States, you are innocent until proven guilty it in a court of law. This man that you betas hail as your guardian hero of manhood is in fact GUILTY. This is a point of fact.
>>702637178
Jealousy never solved anything anon. That's the thing with you millennials these days, somebody has more than you and that automatically makes them worthy of a death sentence
>>702637498
He was charged with rape but then they were dropped after Dan testing. He was also charged and found guilty on three charges of sexually penetrating the victim with a foreign object (his fingers). The only reason it wasn't "rape" was because he was caught first.
>>702637856
It's not jealously, and I'm not a millennial. Justice has a price tag.
![mvs_dan[1].gif](https://i.imgur.com/tKI2UFa.gif "mvs_dan[1].gif")
>>702637946
>Dan testing
>>702638164
Dna testing
>>702638062
You're obviously cucked of you think the natural order of things is a guy sticks in finger in a passed out girl and that warrants physical assault or have the rest of his waking life be affected by something that happened for 10 minutes whenever the fuck long ago. How ashamed are you of being born male, anon?
>>702638164
Trying to find out if it was actually Dan who raped her
>>702638391
Nope is was Dan who raped your mom
>>702637498
thought this might have been credible until
>hooking up with a girl in public is technically wrong
>drunk people often run in these types of situations
dude is an autismo. no concept of the real world
SJWs behaving as if he won't be paying for this for the rest of his life,
>felony conviction
>registered sex offender
>name/face all over news and social media
The worst actual consequence his victim will have to deal with is the hangover she had the next day. Yet the SJWs say this "strong woman" has had her life FOREVER changed by this horrible ordeal.
Maybe the takeaway should be not to get so shitfaced drunk/high that you pass out? Perhaps it's not a bad idea to exert a little self-control?
>>702638391
If it was Dan that raped her he would have raging demon on that bitch and left his autograph.
Eh, he and the girl got drunk and he fingered her. Since we live in SJW times, that means he's a serial rapist and should spend his entire life in jail.
>>702638905
if you are serious, kill yourself faggot
>>702639160
This. The entire issue is being blown out of proportion by people desperate for a reason to scream about white male privilege. So they read nothing but article titles and the ravings of equally ignorant people on social media and go with it. He's not a rapist.
>>702639160
Except she wasn't just drunk she had passed out
if we want to start a justice system not based on punishment, and yet helping them; and it has to start with him. then sure i guess
>>702639360
Oh well, he was drunk too. Shit happens. It's a non story.
>>702637613
Not on the books it's not penisbutt
Rape by law requires forcible vaginal penetration with a benis
If you penetrate with anything else it's unlawful sexual penetration
>>702639244
Dead serious. Do you have an argument, or are you just happy to be out of school for the day?
>>702639360
Question is when did she pass out and was he intoxicated enough to realize this.
What he did was certifiably illegal, however the way they hammered him for this just isn't taking everything into consideration
Not rape. 2 drunk people fooling around. He did more than enough time, and his life is now ruined. He's more than paid the price for what we've all probably done before.
>>702639525
doesn't matter because MUH WITE PRIVUHLEDGE MUH PATRIARCHY
>>702636922
if i want justice i woudl go to north korea, this guy is a hero, <3 brock
>>702636922
Checked
I've been drunk with a girl I met at a bar. She tried to suck my dick in the car but I was too drunk to get hard. I think I was fingered her when we passed out. Guess I'm a scumbag rapist with white male privilege.
>>702637178
Both were drunk, and both were being whores. Judge knew that but in order to appease bitches like you, he sent him to prison anyway.
It has nothing to do with him being rich, or an athlete, it has to do with common sense - both drunk, both wanted to fuck. If you wanna use the argument that if she was drunk and couldn't consent then neither could he, because that would be a double standard against the man you sexist piece of shit.
>but the people on my facebook said he raped her therefore he straight up jailhouse raped her and got off because the judge likes white people. I saw it on tumblr and myspace.
>>702639525
He was sober enough to know to run indicating he knew it was wrong. In addition she was doing nothing to encourage him so he's responsible for his actions regardless of how drunk he is. It's really easy to not rape someone. Just treat them with the respect owed a human being.
>>702639531
She wasn't just drunk she was passed out.
I hope he finds a way to sue all of the people calling him a rapist for libel and lives the rest of his life on yachts with hot bitches line up at the dock.
>>702639904
and he was drunk too, so what. It's not like she passed out and he dragged her ass there. They were there fooling around and she passed out in the middle of it. Have you even read anything about the court case? Have you ever in your life hooked up with a chick at a party? I think for most people the answer is no and that's why they can't wrap their minds around this.
>>702636922
He was convicted, did his time, and met the requirements for early release. He will have to register as a sex offender for the rest of his life.
>>702636922
He got the same pass every female rapist gets.
Only reason a man gets the pass is because he's rich.
What happened to the old saying of DO NOT FEED THE TROLLS/ATTENTION-WHORES? Really, /b/? We are basically tumblr and reddit now? Bitching about women's right? Go check inside your undies to see if you still have balls and not raisins in your balls sack. Leave the dude alone, fucking faggots. I know him better than y'all could.
>>702639512
Not the guy you're replying to but you should kill yourself.
>>702640018
>and he was drunk too, so what. It's not like she passed out and he dragged her ass there. They were there fooling around and she passed out in the middle of it. Have you even read anything about the court case?
Yes and he clearly assaulted her
>Have you ever in your life hooked up with a chick at a party? I think for most people the answer is no and that's why they can't wrap their minds around this.
I have she was buzzed I was buzzed it was fun for both. If she would have passed out I would have simply left.
>>702640126
Or maybe equality is coming into play? Now men can get the same treatment as women. Or should it be the other way around?
>>702640126
>He got the same pass every female rapist gets.
This. Female teachers "rape" students, and they get book deals and trips to talk shows to talk about their "ordeal". Society pretends to be disgusted, but behind closed doors people are saying "where were these teachers when I was in school." Guy teacher bangs a 17 year old and he's a predator that preys on our sweet innocent children. He's a monster that's created and defended by the white male privilege patriarchy. Lock him up and throw away the key.
>>702636922
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/13/us/brock-turner-stanford-rape.html?_r=0
Details of case for all you fags who know how to read.
>>702640187
Either put up a rebuttal or go back to fucking reddit.
>>702636922
My wife likes being slapped around and made to continue having sex beyond the point where she feels the need to stop. We've done some pretty fucked up shit in the past; stuff that's left her scarred for life.
She's had a guy try to rape her in the past, but nonetheless hates this SJW "they were both drunk so he's a rapist" nonsense. Calling this rape diminishes the suffering of actual rape victims, which of course upsets my wife.
The point is, there are good women out there, you just have to know where to look.
>>702640271
>Yes and he clearly assaulted her
No he clearly was fooling around with a drunk bitch and she passed out in the middle of it. Sorry but let's not pretend this is some kind of extreme violation of a person's soul. The dumb bitch got drunk, and while the dumb bitch was engaging in a sexual act she passed out. Maybe she should have been less of a dumb bitch.
Brock - Hero of 4chan
>>702636922
Looks like a feminazi thing. He did his time and whether or not the judge was biased or if there was mitigating circumstances that's besides the point. If jail isn't used as a punishment or to rehabilitate people then what's the fucking point of it? The whole sex offender registry in this case and the limited job opportunities after having been incarcerated is the dumbest bullshit ever.
>>702636922
>The scene horrified them so much one man cried as he described what Brock was doing to the unconscious woman.
lol faggot.
>>702640528
>I'm 90% Sure someone reported on the news that he found her passed out. Not that she passed out half way through
>>702636922
If my son is Brock.
Im casterating my son.
What a putrid show.
>>702640661
Must've been some fucking beautiful next-level fingering.
>>702638266
You can do a lot of illegal stuff in 10 minutes. Your post literally has no point. Your post is more like
>I don't think sexual assault is that bad gosh
>>702640468
Your wife sounds like a pretty cool person. He was not convicted of raping her. He was convicted of "intent to rape." He took her panties off and fingered her. He also showed remorse for his actions and empathy for his victim. That eas factored into his sentence.
>>702637498
Is anyone really surprised these days when a case gets blown up by the media turns out to be false? Outside of the OJ Simpson thing I can't remember a single time they have been shown to be false and often have had to publish a retraction. I really wish newspapers would be forced to publish the retraction on the same page as the original accusation/story. That way there is an incentive to not get shit wrong since they will lose a front page to it when they are wrong and it will mean that when people turn out to be innocent it is recognized.
>>702637613
Unbelieveable how many faggots keep calling brock a RAPIST.
Well the chick he fingered is a alcoholic slut.
He fucked up by fingering her while she was passed out.
She was stupid for getting that drunk.
Point 2 doesn't make point 1 any more "ok."
Point 1 doesn't invalidate point 2.
(drawing in crayon for the visiting redditors)
>>702639861
but women aren't responsible for their actions regardless of how sober they are?
>>702640663
Not true. She kissed him at the party, walked to underneath the tree with him, laid down...and sometime after passed out. That's when Brock got those fingers rollin'.
>>702637719
of course not newfag
>"The stories and information posted here are artistic works of fiction and falsehood. Only a fool would take anything posted here as fact."
>>702639756
Explain why being asleep at a party is being a whore.
>>702641164
Being an alcoholic and a slut doesn't give some douchefuck permission to rape you
>>702641342
She wasn't asleep. She left under her own power aka she walked the fuck out with him.
She passed out outside when they laid down to fuck.
It's like you don't know how to fucking read.
>>702641262
They are if they do something to someone else. If they get drunk and drive they are responsible. It's actually quite simple and logical.
>>702641262
She claims she doesn't remember anything after a certain point in the night. It's possible that she told him, "Hey, why don't you take me under that tree and finger me!"
But your point isn't really valid. She's responsible for her *safety* not for her partner's actions. If those actions were deemed criminal in a court of law, then Brockie-poo has to go to jail.
>>702641373
Oh yes it does.
you faggot
>>702640271
You would just up and leave a person passed out? That's fucking reckless, what the fuck are you thinking? If the person you are with passes out you try to wake them up and if they don't respond you call a fucking ambulance and try to get the attention of people nearby to see if they can help. For all you know they could have a medical condition or a reaction to something they ate or drank.
>>702636922
He fingered her he didn't rape her
>>702636922
yes. nice dubs
>>702641373
No, but if you drink until you pass out, you are opening yourself up for criminals to do things to you. How can anyone possibly argue with this.
>>702641373
>goes to niggertown screaming "I hate niggers" while looking like they got money
>wasn't asking to be robbed and beat to fuck
>>702641373
I love this response. Someone points out that the bitch was exhibiting extremely stupid and irresponsible behavior. And the instant response is to redirect to the criminal.
>durr I was just walking down the street, that doesn't give the mugger permission to rob me does it?
Try to think things through.
>>702640528
They tried the case in a court of law and he was convicted. I assure you that they established the timeline firmly and that the judge didn't say, "Let's see what my radfem neice thinks I should do on her Tumblr blog." If you want to understand what happened, read the original documents. If you want to understand how this could happen, look inside yourself.
>>702636922
Why the fuck would i care about this? Good for brock, gets back at all the false rape accusations. Bet the cunt did something to deserve it
>>702637613
So grabbing a girl's boobs without her permission is rape?
Idiots like you belittle actual rape.
>>702641373
yes it does. Alcoholic slut drinks till she passes out, hopes nothing "bad" happens to her.
Let's list 5 things that could have made her sexual assult worse, but didnt happen
1. Brocko did full sex, came inside her, got prego
2. Gave her HIV
3. Beat her unconscious
4. Violently assulted her, causing massive trauma while raping, blood everywhre, brain damage.
5. Full on technical rape, then killed her.
None of that happened. This case is nothing.
People get upset, call brock all sorts of things because there will be no backlash.
Imagine if Brock was Muhammad the immigrant. I bet people would have their lips sealed.
>>702641832
>Imagine if Brock was Muhammad the immigrant. I bet people would have their lips sealed.
Or if Brock was passed out and dumb bitch tried to give him a handy.
>>702641565
>You would just up and leave a person passed out? That's fucking reckless, what the fuck are you thinking? If the person you are with passes out you try to wake them up and if they don't respond you call a fucking ambulance and try to get the attention of people nearby to see if they can help. For all you know they could have a medical condition or a reaction to something they ate or drank.
I would help them if they weren't in a safe situation but if they were I would leave. I'm not responsible for them anymore than I have a right to fuck them.
>>702641830
It's sexual assault. Why do you need to rape women anon?
>>702637613
I smack your ass, therefore I raped you.
>>702636922
Well in all fairness brock was really good boy till that slut ruined his swimming career .. In surprised he didn't get in more trouble tho
>>702638266
>This anon is defending rape
>>702641638
Several generations of cuddling and "safety first" shit has turned young people into kinder gardeners. The world is generally a safe place, much safer than any other time in history, but somehow people have forgotten that they are responsible for their own safety and well being.
That's part of why the 3rd wave feminists are so dangerous to women, they are leaving them vulnerable and easy targets for real rapists, not to mention financial scams and other crimes. They are teaching them that no matter where they go they have a right to feel safe and if anything happens it's everyone elses fault.
>>702641917
Then she would be committing sexual assault
>>702641760
Being stupid and irresponsible isn't a crime. When discussing a crime, it is a good idea to focus on the criminal. This is not a debate over which person has greater moral purity. They are both cunts. One of them broke the law.
The funny thing is how many people call this evidence of racism, but Jameis Winston literally raped a girl and is now playing for the NFL, never got charged, and no one fucking cares.
This kid fingered a girl that everyone at a party said was conscious and coherent. Who probably pretended to be passed out and claimed rape when they got caught and she thought she was in trouble. And everyone is fucking obsessed with him.
>>702641726
Screaming "I hate niggers" is still the lesser crime and the blame still lies with the fuckwits who decided to beat you up.
Getting so drunk you pass out is a stupid, but not immoral move (unless you count making an arse of yourself and inconveniencing your friends who have to take you home as immoral). Raping someone while drunk is the worse offense by far.
Even if it was immoral, she would've learned her lesson by now, so driving the point home is pointless.
>>702642037
>Then she would be committing sexual assault
>>702641597
Still sexual assault
>>702637613
My sister slapped my ass in jest as I was walking around the house.
Does this mean I was sexually assaulted?
If I ever did that to her, she would go fucking ape shit. And it is disgusting to think I could ever do that regardless.
>>702637498
This is what the vile rapist wants you to believe.
>>702641918
>If she would have passed out I would have simply left.
Your words. You just fucking said you wouldn't help but that you would leave them to their fate. You can actually be charged with a crime for just leaving someone like that.
>>702642042
>Being stupid and irresponsible isn't a crime.
Did not say it was. But being stupid and irresponsible can have consequences. No one is entitled to not have crimes committed against them. A rapist isn't going to see that the girl is passed out and say "just because she's passed out doesn't mean I have permission to rape her." Get the fuck outta here.
>>702637613
>>702642184
Or for that matter, does this mean I was raped?
>>702641832
>Muhammed the immigrant
Just look up a few of the black athletes that were accused of actual rape and 100% got off that the left barely let out a peep about.
>>702641832
Like it or not, a large part of the societal problem here is that women are judged very harshly for being sexual. This doesn't apply exactly here, since the victim was unconscious, and I am *not* saying that she falsely accused him. She didn't accuse him. But think of the extra helping of shane she gets because someone she just met took her panties off. I think that's the most fucked up part about all of this.
>>702642037
Yes they would most certainly lock her up for 20 years.
The entire world knows he’s a rapist. Even if people don’t immediately recognize his name twenty years from now, a quick Google search will solve that. He’s on the sex offender registry. Brock Turner will walk around with a scarlet “RAPIST” branded on his forehead for the rest of his life. That is all he will ever be. The other sex offenders in his court-mandated rehab program will recognize his face from the newspapers and whisper, “Well, at least I’m not that guy.” He’s banned from swimming, expelled from school, and the life he knew is rightfully ruined.
>>702636922
I'm feling indifferent. It went to trial, they analyzed the evidence and sentenced him. Perfectly working justice system at that.
>>702642235
yes, you can write your harrowing story and make millions selling the film rights.
>>702642491
I wonder if feminists will assist me in writing my horrid story.
If we let modern feminists keep going in the direction they are in 20 years bumping into a woman in public will be literally classified as rape and warrant severe public shaming in their eyes.
>>702641342
She fell asleep during him fingering her. They never had sex. But nice jumping to conclusions without ever looking at the publicly available fact.
>>702642022
Or you cold go the other way and say that most women feel unsafe in most places. Then you could argue that third wave feminism has championed this idea with a lot of gusto.
>>702642557
No, because the assailant was female they will twist it into you brutalising her.
She was walking past when you shoved your ass into her hand, moaning loudly with saliva running down your chin.
.
>>702637613
Kek. You just offended every rape victim in the history of crime for putting one of the most vile and traumatizing crimes known to mankind on par with grabbing someones tits. Off yourself.
>>702641562
Weird. Last time I checked, he went to jail for it... soooo yeah. Still illegal.
>>702636922
While I believe his sentence was offensive:
This man is never going to be accepted... anywhere.
No sponsor will back him, so his swimming career is over unless his family wants to pay for it
And the probability he gets hired as "the rapist" in any company is slim to nil.
So, yeah, he's not in jail (which he should be), but he's going never going to be employable.
So fuck him.
And pass that on: Fuck this guy.
As often and in as small a way as possible, fuck this guy.
You see him on the street and he's about to trip over something?
Don't worn him, let that fucker fall.
I realize this is no recourse for getting raped, but this guys public life is going to be shit, forever.
The girl he raped will hopefully be able to move on and live a normal life, but this dude will always be the douche that raped a chick behind a dumpster.
>>702642905
How was the sentence offensive?
>>702637856
No faggot he has nothing more then me ,his daddy has
>>702641638
You're not wrong. She would've been fine if she had stayed home that night. But she also would've been fine if he decided to leave her alone.
>>702642230
If the consequences frim your irresponsible behavior are a crime, then you can talk about the victim's role in the consequences. Until then, "she bears at least *some* responsibility" is a losing argument.
Let me help you: during Mike Tyson's rape trial, the prosecuiting attorney got up and gave the following scenario: suppose you're a rich businessman in an unfamiliar town for a conference. You walk taje a shortcut in an alley in a bad part of town. And you get mugged. Now...it is absolutely fair to say 'Well, what were you doing in that part of town? You had no business being there!' But ask yourself this: is it still a crime?"
>>702641822
Victim blaming is cool. Let me know when you finish grade 6.
>>702641164
>RAPIST
>alcoholic
Only one of those is illegal
>>702643150
*And* he wouldn't have to go to jail.
>>702641638
I've drank myself to black out drunk on more occasions than I care to admit.
I've never been raped.
I've also been obscenely drunk more times than I care to admit.
And I've never raped anyone.
While I agree that all people should be responsible for their own well being in all situations.
I don't believe that being raped is ever something we should chalk up to "wrong place, wrong time" or "you shouldn't have walked there"
>>702642400
Or at least 3 months...
>>702638266
>cucked if you think something is bad
Just stop.
>>702642640
Feeling unsafe and taking precautions is better than expecting the world to take care of your safety for you. Of course there is irrational fear that gets instilled in women but that is being used to then brain wash them into thinking it's other peoples responsibility to make you feel safe.
Part of government is making the population safe, but it can only do so much and it's up to people to take care of their own personal safety.
>>702641293
Tree?
It was an alley
and she was behind a dumpster
>>702638874
Both these statements are correct. Hooking up with a girl in public IS technically wrong (i.e. against the law), but it's more often than not no problem, in the sense that nobody gets hurt. Also how do you not see that drunk people often run into situations like that (that being performing public sexual actions)? Have you never made out inappropriately with a chick on a party or public event? I don't think that guy is the autismo here, but I think you may be.
>>702637239
underated
>>702643352
Are you saying he'd not have gone to jail if that girl had stayed home that night?
Because odds are that guy would have just raped someone else.
Shitty people don't stop being shitty because their victims are elsewhere.
They just find other victims.
Stop fucking calling this RAPE. You safe space faggots are belittling actual rape and the trauma that actual rape victims have had to suffer.
>>702639512
Not the guy you're replying to, but he should kill himself.
>>702639861
He ran from two dudes shouting at and approaching him, friendo, wouldn't you, too?
http://www.nebraska.tv/story/32062782/mccook-man-gets-90-days-in-jail-in-sex-assault-case
http://journalstar.com/news/local/911/judge-gives-man-jail-probation-for-sex-assault/article_510b0a3a-5174-526c-8c20-d959ffc8cd5b.html
Just saying... This guy only got 90 fucking days for a similar case
>>702642105
>I get drunk around strangers, decide I wanna fuck but then pass out when we go to bang
>It wasn't my fault I couldn't choose
Bitch chose to drink, it's her fault too.
>>702644271
I love how Brock is getting raped by the Internet and your guy isn't
>>702643495
Maybe you're just unfuckable
>>702636922
> rape
> horrified by the scene
> cry
>>702636922
Ah America, land of equality.
Where some people are more equal than others.
>>702641007
underrated
>>702636922
Don't care, got laid.
>>702644959
I don't see how my rapability is in anyway related to the topic.
But for the record:
>I'm ugly as fuck.
>My tits are almost non-existent
>I've a tiny cock.
>My pussy is the rankest every measured.
>I'm 250 kgs overweight
>And I love My Little Pony.
Now do you have anything meaningful to bring to the conversation?
>>702645572
Oh shit, I forgot
>And I enjoy carnal relations with my parental figures.
>>702637784
Regarding rape in the United States and the general public, you're guilty until proven innocent. And even then you're still guilty to many.
>>702643150
she would have also been fine if no one had told her she had been sexually assaulted, lol
>>702644051
Where are you getting these *odds* from? Your imagination. He had no previous criminal record abd was in good standing at the university. THe funny thing here is that the argument here closely follows the "boys will be boys" model of male sexuality which is unacceptable as an excuse for deviant behavior. If it's not an excuse, then it's not an explanation.
>>702640018
>It's not like she passed out and he dragged her ass there.
Dear fucking lord. THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT HE DID YOU FUCKING FAGGOT.
Check what you're talking about before making your mind on something. Please.
>>702636922
he should be in prison for 20 years minimum
>>702640187
Not an argument, faggot.
>>702641638
Having your wallet in your pocket in a public transportation in many places is opening yourself to be pickpocketed. How can anyone possibly argue with this.
>>702646251
>Check what you're talking about before making your mind on something
This isnt facebook you faggot he doesnt have to do anything of the sort and can say whatever the fuck he likes
>>702645961
Truth
>>702643495
well im sorry but if you go as a tourist to greece and you aren't careful with your wallet, it might get picked from you. whats easier, being responsible for yourself, or creating a 1984-esque police state where everywhere is stationed an armed sexual assault guard and all boys are sent to a special school where they are brainwashed to deny natural sexual urges, and everyone gets blackout drunk every night and sleeps in alleyways?
this is probably the first time this dudes ever even seen a vagina before. i would be equally upset if it were my son doing the assaulting or my daughter being assaulted.
>>702637946
And the only reason you're not a sex offender is because you haven't been caught yet
I hope everyone judging him hooks up with a drunk girl that is conscious, then has that girl pass out while they're fingering her and two Swedish bikers show up and grab them them the whole world calls you a rapist.
>>702641470
>>702642605
Where the fuck are you getting this information ? Turner's fabricated narrative ?
According to the police report, she had pine needles everywhere on her bodies, showing he had to drag her there.
>>702646206
In this instance I'm getting my "odds" from the fact that he decided to go into some alley and rape some girl.
This says nothing of other men, or males, or boys.
But everything about this person.
He chose to rape someone on this night.
So "odds are" you can find a scenario where this guy would rape another woman.
In fact, I can point you to news reports which lay out pretty clearly the set of circumstances needed to make this dude into a rapist.
And that's where I'm getting these odds from.
Leave it to two Swedish cucks to interrupt 22 minutes of action.
>>702646893
He didn't rape her you cunt
The slut concented and the two guys who assaulted him lied out their asses
>>702646832
There were multiple witnesses who stated she didn't seem drunk.
And how the fuck do you think she got out there? Do you think he picked her up and carried her outside so that he could rape her in public?
>>702646832
Lol pine needles. Dude have you ever sat down in pine needles? You fucking dimwit.
>>702636922
Not at all. He's a beta little bitch that can't get laid. While every guy tried their best to bed a girl not a single decent guy would resort to raping. Nigga just jerk off, not even a Chad would pull that pussy shit.
>>702646618
I don't see how my comment lead you to believe I'm supporting a 1984 society.
I do believe all people, including women, should do their best to personally preserve their own security.
But how does that absolve men from raping people?
And I'm not saying all men are rapists, that belief is fucking retarded.
But the men, and women for that matter, shouldn't be absolved of their crime because their victims were easy targets.
I really don't understand what you're trying to get at.
>>702636922
Yes. We intend to leave drunken sorority sluts passed out on dumpsters all over his neighborhood.
>>702647193
>in public
He dragged her behind the garbage, so obviously trying to hide.
How much more delusional can you be ?
Her blood alcohol content was estimated to be between 0.22% and 0.25%. She made a phone call to her boyfriend showing she was clearly intoxicated and not able to consent.
What more could you ask for ?
>>702646618
>>702641638
>it's stupid to get drunk when everybody knows there are pervs out there
You do realize that you just equated the danger of going to a college party to that of walking into an isis camp while eating bacon, right? Where the fuck do you live that going to a social gathering qualifies as "dangerous environment"? If the mere possibility of bad things happening excuses the perpetrators of those bad things being carried out then we might as well just throw the whole fucking concept of justice out the window right now? "Why the fuck did you think you could walk down the street with a wallet in your pocket? Don't you know that there might be a mugger somewhere in this city? Serves you right for getting robbed and having your money taken." You follow that train of logic to the end and see where it takes you.
>>702646893
Fair enough, but the media coverage and some evidence admitted in court was a clear attempt to put contemporary make sexuality on trial.
Abs what you are saying isn't true. Yiur argument is that he had "the heart of a rapist" and would have done it to someone else. You are basing this conclusion on the fact that he committed a crime once. He was convicted, served his time, and I don't believe he will reoffend. You are biased. If it's not against men or not against me, them I want to tell you that this belief in a magical "rapist heart" has made me endure countless sexual assualt seminars, made it very hard for me to give sexual pleasure to my partner, and...here I am, typing away in misogyny central.
He probably would have gotten to the PIV sex part if he hadn't been caught. And why did he go behind a dumpster? He is stupid and should be in jail. He probably wishes he did get a longer sentence and didn't get trashed in the media. His life is ruined, and I only wish that other rapists would have their lives ruined in the same way.
And he hasn't registered on the sex offender database in Ohio yet, but this will be public information soon enough. It is already on the county GIS website with every other home owner's info. He actually doesn't live that far away from me.
>>702641009
>>702642014
>>702643559
fucking samefag
>>702643254
So your only problem with rape is that it's currently illegal?
>>702636922
Yes, he obviously raped in self defense
>>702647739
You realize there are gradients of risk, yes? Going into ISIS camp with bacon, that's 100% guarantee bad time. But drinking a little? No risk. Drinking moderate? Moderate risk. Drinking until you are passed out and unable to move? Pretty high risk. There are shitty people who will wait for you to be unable to protect yourself, you need to show some self restraint when drinking or you will be taken advantage of. If you're dumb enough to believe that rapists will ever stop existing, then I suggest you find your nearest safe space, you aren't ready for the world yet.
SUPERIOR WHITE MASTER RACE
>>702647100
penetration of an unconscious person with fingers
Let me force something up your unconscious ass and then have a talk about if it was rape or not.
>>702637498
> Then an evil snake, Stanford Professor Michelle Dauber
This is the unbiased version of events right here folks!
>>702637239
I bet he's kicking himself he didn't think of that.
>>702648247
What you consider rape is not what the country considers rape, retard. It was sexual assault.
>>702648050
Accepting there will always be bad people in this world.
And suggesting we should only act as if all people are bad are very different things
>>702640661
they were swedish, too. you can't make this shit up.
>>702636922
i don't care nor do i feel anything about it, because it doesn't affect me in any way.
>>702641982
withtout permission makes it rape, so fuck off.
>>702648436
It doesn't have to be an absolute. If you go out to a bar, for an example, you should be a little more reserved than say if you're with some close friends. The chances of there being a rapist in the bar, much higher than with your friends. But wanting to get blackout drunk regardless of the locale, I can't support that, you are responsible for your own security, nobody else.
>>702637946
So one charge per finger?
>>702648585
It would be sexual assault you dumbfuck.
>>702648370
If by "country consider" you mean legal definition
then I will concede your point.
But if by "country consider" you mean "popular consensus"
then it's you with the mental deficiency.
I would go so far as to say my definition is very conservative as far as the popular consensus is concerned.
>>702636922
No penor, no raep
>>702648050
I got drunk and passed out a dozen times, and never got raped because I wasn't surrounded by assholes. People can take advantage of you because you're drunk, passed out, shy, autist, weak, and it's never ok.
Anyway, even if she put herself at risk, should the guy be jailed for less time because of it ?
>>702648638
he got lucky, too, since in certain states having an unsolicited finger in the vagoo is explicitly defined as rape (massachusetts, for example)
>>702648763
I did mean legal definition.
Consensus doesn't matter, consensus would have staring at a woman being rape.
>>702638266
>being this retarded
>>702648370
Pretty sure you wouldn't agree with what the country considers rape when it's about a male rape. Because male rape doesn't exist then. Fucking retard.
>>702648841
the reduced sentence is the court acknowledging the myriad grey areas of the case. it says "not okay, but not an open-and-shut case either"
>>702648868
>he got lucky
convicted sex offender, unemployable, life ruined
>lucky
for keks, we should start pretending to confuse him with, say, Brock Lesnar. tweet at him for being a faggot rapist who got off easy, plus saying you'll kick his ass if you see him.
>>702648841
See>>702648612
He was jailed an appropriate time for sexual assault, which is what occurred, not rape. It does not matter what would have happened if the bikers had not come by, what did occur is what we can punish reasonably. Sexual assault with good behavior in jail, welcome back to a society which hates you.
>>702648949
it does if you get raped by another man
>>702648949
LEGAL DEFINITION
>>702648907
ocular rape is real, stop denying womyns life experiences rapist
>>702649053
beats going to prison for 5-10 years for felony rape, and getting stuck in there with the real rapists
>>702649065
this has potential
>>702649029
So reduced sentence for a 9 years charge is 3 months ? That seems ok to you ?
>>702640455
i will bite since this guy is fucking retarded enough to make me care. she wont just have a hangover, it has affected her life, her boyfriends life, their relationship. how would you feel if, by some miracle your neckbeard ass got a girlfriend, how would you feel if she was raped at a party. "she'll be right just got a hangover"
you fucking idiot
>>702637131
Rich dad. White privilege. He'll be juuuuuust fine.
>>702649141
Fucking retard. The point it the legal definition has a problem because it doesn't acknowledge female on male rape. And by extension, what brock did should be considered rape too.
And i'm not even a feminist.
>>702648841
If I leave my bike unocked and someone steals it, it's a theft but the insurance company says it's my own fault and they don't give a shit. Why is it not the same with this shit? If you get blackout drunk and someone takes advantage of that, it's your own fucking fault for being careless. Still should be the same same sentence for it though. Just so tired of all this media shit how the victim is always blameless. Bullshit. Take some fucking responsibility for your own actions and life.
>>702649249
well, sure, considering the circumstances, and that there was no peen in the hoo-ha or physical assault
it's not like he was stone cold sober, and dragged some random chick into the bushes kicking and screaming to have his dirty way with her.
>>702648907
https://www.justice.gov/opa/blog/updated-definition-rape
>Forcible penetration, no mater how slight, with any body part or object.
What the dude did was rape.
>>702649244
new thread to avoid all this useless arguing?
>>702649514
taking responsibility for your actions does not equate to sharing the blame. To do that is to mitigate the actions of a sex offender. He chose to do what he did, he bears 100% of the blame for it.
>>702649634
SUPLEX CITY BITCH
>>702649065
>>702649634
Please, yes.
I bet the fingering was so good and intense that she passed out. She loved it and it's not rape when they love it.
>>702649514
Would you then concede a victim of murder is at fault because they chose to walk down a street at a particular time of day that resulted in them being shot?
I think the difference between you not getting refunded for your bike being stolen is that first:
there's no "anit-rape" or "anti-murder" insurance, so your corollary is a little off
But also your bike is just stuff.
Someone getting murdered, or physically assaulted, or raped are violations against their person.
And I fully support differentiating legally between shit you can buy at Walmart and shit you can't.
>>702637055
sauce
>feminism rage because he received a sentence a girl would have received in the same situation.
Happy as fuck. Pulling my balls out.
He needs to be beaten and sodomized.
>>702647843
I've never heard of a "heart of a rapist" theory, and your statement has several different points that are difficult for me to consolidate so I'm going to go a little general here:
Let's assume there is a person that commits rape:
This says nothing to if they will rape again after being punished.
It also says nothing to if they might rape again having not been punished at all.
But it does say there is a set of circumstances where this person will decide to commit rape.
So given that there is a set of circumstances where this person will rape, we can safely assume there are similar circumstances with varying details where this person will again decide to rape.
As for the rest:
I go through "Your a horrible rapist" training several times year.
I think it's bullshit.
Not all men are rapists.
But that isn't an argument in favor of those that actually are.
>>702651893
For the last time: IT WASNT RAPE
>>702639814
This.
Justice shouldn't be a matter of the stupid mob.
Democracy may work that way, but NOT a working legal system.
>>702640434
Reading is important.
So he didn't actually rape her with his penis, only his fingers. He's had no prior record and they were both drunk as fuck. He expressed deep remorse for his actions and sympathy for the victim. Sounds to me like he's not about to be a repeat offender. A bit of jail and the permanent "sex offender" label are probably more than enough punishment, desu desu
>>702636922
Yeah he dindu nuffin
>>702652083
You can't read so well can you?
>>702637856
>Jealousy
Stop misusing this word, the word you're looking for is envious
>>702637055
Looks like fun.
>>702637946
Isnt any penetration rape?
>>702638905
>The worst actual consequence his victim will have to deal with is the hangover
You don’t know me, but you’ve been inside me, and that’s why we’re here today
On January 17th, 2015, it was a quiet Saturday night at home. My dad made some dinner and I sat at the table with my younger sister who was visiting for the weekend. I was working full time and it was approaching my bed time. I planned to stay at home by myself, watch some TV and read, while she went to a party with her friends. Then, I decided it was my only night with her, I had nothing better to do, so why not, there’s a dumb party ten minutes from my house, I would go, dance like a fool, and embarrass my younger sister. On the way there, I joked that undergrad guys would have braces. My sister teased me for wearing a beige cardigan to a frat party like a librarian. I called myself “big mama”, because I knew I’d be the oldest one there. I made silly faces, let my guard down, and drank liquor too fast not factoring in that my tolerance had significantly lowered since college
The next thing I remember I was in a gurney in a hallway. I had dried blood and bandages on the backs of my hands and elbow. I thought maybe I had fallen and was in an admin office on campus. I was very calm and wondering where my sister was. A deputy explained I had been assaulted. I still remained calm, assured he was speaking to the wrong person. I knew no one at this party. When I was finally allowed to use the restroom, I pulled down the hospital pants they had given me, went to pull down my underwear, and felt nothing. I still remember the feeling of my hands touching my skin and grabbing nothing. I looked down and there was nothing. The thin piece of fabric, the only thing between my vagina and anything else, was missing and everything inside me was silenced. I still don’t have words for that feeling. In order to keep breathing, I thought maybe the policemen used scissors to cut them off for evidence.
>>702642842
Underrated b8
>>702636922
This is a perfect example of white privilege everyone knows that he's only getting out because he's white. Funny how black rapists don't get the same favor.
>>702652622
Then, I felt pine needles scratching the back of my neck and started pulling them out my hair. I thought maybe, the pine needles had fallen from a tree onto my head. My brain was talking my gut into not collapsing. Because my gut was saying, help me, help me.
I shuffled from room to room with a blanket wrapped around me, pine needles trailing behind me, I left a little pile in every room I sat in. I was asked to sign papers that said “Rape Victim” and I thought something has really happened. My clothes were confiscated and I stood naked while the nurses held a ruler to various abrasions on my body and photographed them. The three of us worked to comb the pine needles out of my hair, six hands to fill one paper bag. To calm me down, they said it’s just the flora and fauna, flora and fauna. I had multiple swabs inserted into my vagina and anus, needles for shots, pills, had a Nikon pointed right into my spread legs. I had long, pointed beaks inside me and had my vagina smeared with cold, blue paint to check for abrasions.
After a few hours of this, they let me shower. I stood there examining my body beneath the stream of water and decided, I don’t want my body anymore. I was terrified of it, I didn’t know what had been in it, if it had been contaminated, who had touched it. I wanted to take off my body like a jacket and leave it at the hospital with everything else.
On that morning, all that I was told was that I had been found behind a dumpster, potentially penetrated by a stranger, and that I should get retested for HIV because results don’t always show up immediately. But for now, I should go home and get back to my normal life. Imagine stepping back into the world with only that information. They gave me huge hugs and I walked out of the hospital into the parking lot wearing the new sweatshirt and sweatpants they provided me, as they had only allowed me to keep my necklace and shoes.
>>702652693
My sister picked me up, face wet from tears and contorted in anguish. Instinctively and immediately, I wanted to take away her pain. I smiled at her, I told her to look at me, I’m right here, I’m okay, everything’s okay, I’m right here. My hair is washed and clean, they gave me the strangest shampoo, calm down, and look at me. Look at these funny new sweatpants and sweatshirt, I look like a P.E. teacher, let’s go home, let’s eat something. She did not know that beneath my sweatsuit, I had scratches and bandages on my skin, my vagina was sore and had become a strange, dark color from all the prodding, my underwear was missing, and I felt too empty to continue to speak. That I was also afraid, that I was also devastated. That day we drove home and for hours in silence my younger sister held me.
My boyfriend did not know what happened, but called that day and said, “I was really worried about you last night, you scared me, did you make it home okay?” I was horrified. That’s when I learned I had called him that night in my blackout, left an incomprehensible voicemail, that we had also spoken on the phone, but I was slurring so heavily he was scared for me, that he repeatedly told me to go find [my sister]. Again, he asked me, “What happened last night? Did you make it home okay?” I said yes, and hung up to cry.
I was not ready to tell my boyfriend or parents that actually, I may have been raped behind a dumpster, but I don’t know by who or when or how. If I told them, I would see the fear on their faces, and mine would multiply by tenfold, so instead I pretended the whole thing wasn’t real.
>>702649261
This picture is all sorts of retarded.
>>702652308
I can provide many examples of people who've gotten drunk, driven a vehicle, caused an accident and killed someone.
They're typically justifiably remorseful, and in all probability will never drive dunk again.
But those people tend to spend years, if not the remainder of their lives in prison.
Being remorseful, sympathetic and unlikely to be a repeat offender should either count in all cases or none
>>702652783
I tried to push it out of my mind, but it was so heavy I didn’t talk, I didn’t eat, I didn’t sleep, I didn’t interact with anyone. After work, I would drive to a secluded place to scream. I didn’t talk, I didn’t eat, I didn’t sleep, I didn’t interact with anyone, and I became isolated from the ones I loved most. For over a week after the incident, I didn’t get any calls or updates about that night or what happened to me. The only symbol that proved that it hadn’t just been a bad dream, was the sweatshirt from the hospital in my drawer.
One day, I was at work, scrolling through the news on my phone, and came across an article. In it, I read and learned for the first time about how I was found unconscious, with my hair disheveled, long necklace wrapped around my neck, bra pulled out of my dress, dress pulled off over my shoulders and pulled up above my waist, that I was butt naked all the way down to my boots, legs spread apart, and had been penetrated by a foreign object by someone I did not recognize. This was how I learned what happened to me, sitting at my desk reading the news at work. I learned what happened to me the same time everyone else in the world learned what happened to me. That’s when the pine needles in my hair made sense, they didn’t fall from a tree. He had taken off my underwear, his fingers had been inside of me. I don’t even know this person. I still don’t know this person. When I read about me like this, I said, this can’t be me, this can’t be me. I could not digest or accept any of this information. I could not imagine my family having to read about this online. I kept reading. In the next paragraph, I read something that I will never forgive; I read that according to him, I liked it. I liked it. Again, I do not have words for these feelings.
>>702652885
It’s like if you were to read an article where a car was hit, and found dented, in a ditch. But maybe the car enjoyed being hit. Maybe the other car didn’t mean to hit it, just bump it up a little bit. Cars get in accidents all the time, people aren’t always paying attention, can we really say who’s at fault.
And then, at the bottom of the article, after I learned about the graphic details of my own sexual assault, the article listed his swimming times. She was found breathing, unresponsive with her underwear six inches away from her bare stomach curled in fetal position. By the way, he’s really good at swimming. Throw in my mile time if that’s what we’re doing. I’m good at cooking, put that in there, I think the end is where you list your extracurriculars to cancel out all the sickening things that’ve happened.
The night the news came out I sat my parents down and told them that I had been assaulted, to not look at the news because it’s upsetting, just know that I’m okay, I’m right here, and I’m okay. But halfway through telling them, my mom had to hold me because I could no longer stand up.
The night after it happened, he said he didn’t know my name, said he wouldn’t be able to identify my face in a lineup, didn’t mention any dialogue between us, no words, only dancing and kissing. Dancing is a cute term; was it snapping fingers and twirling dancing, or just bodies grinding up against each other in a crowded room? I wonder if kissing was just faces sloppily pressed up against each other? When the detective asked if he had planned on taking me back to his dorm, he said no. When the detective asked how we ended up behind the dumpster, he said he didn’t know.
>>702636922
Apparently a number of activists, some carrying guns, are camping outside his house.
>>702653055
He admitted to kissing other girls at that party, one of whom was my own sister who pushed him away. He admitted to wanting to hook up with someone. I was the wounded antelope of the herd, completely alone and vulnerable, physically unable to fend for myself, and he chose me. Sometimes I think, if I hadn’t gone, then this never would’ve happened. But then I realized, it would have happened, just to somebody else. You were about to enter four years of access to drunk girls and parties, and if this is the foot you started off on, then it is right you did not continue. The night after it happened, he said he thought I liked it because I rubbed his back. A back rub.
Never mentioned me voicing consent, never mentioned us even speaking, a back rub. One more time, in public news, I learned that my ass and vagina were completely exposed outside, my breasts had been groped, fingers had been jabbed inside me along with pine needles and debris, my bare skin and head had been rubbing against the ground behind a dumpster, while an erect freshman was humping my half naked, unconscious body. But I don’t remember, so how do I prove I didn’t like it.
I thought there’s no way this is going to trial; there were witnesses, there was dirt in my body, he ran but was caught. He’s going to settle, formally apologize, and we will both move on. Instead, I was told he hired a powerful attorney, expert witnesses, private investigators who were going to try and find details about my personal life to use against me, find loopholes in my story to invalidate me and my sister, in order to show that this sexual assault was in fact a misunderstanding. That he was going to go to any length to convince the world he had simply been confused.
>>702653080
Nothing wrong with exercising your second amendment rights.
>>702653172
I was not only told that I was assaulted, I was told that because I couldn’t remember, I technically could not prove it was unwanted. And that distorted me, damaged me, almost broke me. It is the saddest type of confusion to be told I was assaulted and nearly raped, blatantly out in the open, but we don’t know if it counts as assault yet. I had to fight for an entire year to make it clear that there was something wrong with this situation.
When I was told to be prepared in case we didn’t win, I said, I can’t prepare for that. He was guilty the minute I woke up. No one can talk me out of the hurt he caused me. Worst of all, I was warned, because he now knows you don’t remember, he is going to get to write the script. He can say whatever he wants and no one can contest it. I had no power, I had no voice, I was defenseless. My memory loss would be used against me. My testimony was weak, was incomplete, and I was made to believe that perhaps, I am not enough to win this. His attorney constantly reminded the jury, the only one we can believe is Brock, because she doesn’t remember. That helplessness was traumatizing.
Instead of taking time to heal, I was taking time to recall the night in excruciating detail, in order to prepare for the attorney’s questions that would be invasive, aggressive, and designed to steer me off course, to contradict myself, my sister, phrased in ways to manipulate my answers. Instead of his attorney saying, Did you notice any abrasions? He said, You didn’t notice any abrasions, right? This was a game of strategy, as if I could be tricked out of my own worth. The sexual assault had been so clear, but instead, here I was at the trial, answering questions like:
>>702653322
How old are you? How much do you weigh? What did you eat that day? Well what did you have for dinner? Who made dinner? Did you drink with dinner? No, not even water? When did you drink? How much did you drink? What container did you drink out of? Who gave you the drink? How much do you usually drink? Who dropped you off at this party? At what time? But where exactly? What were you wearing? Why were you going to this party? What’ d you do when you got there? Are you sure you did that? But what time did you do that? What does this text mean? Who were you texting? When did you urinate? Where did you urinate? With whom did you urinate outside? Was your phone on silent when your sister called? Do you remember silencing it? Really because on page 53 I’d like to point out that you said it was set to ring. Did you drink in college? You said you were a party animal? How many times did you black out? Did you party at frats? Are you serious with your boyfriend? Are you sexually active with him? When did you start dating? Would you ever cheat? Do you have a history of cheating? What do you mean when you said you wanted to reward him? Do you remember what time you woke up? Were you wearing your cardigan? What color was your cardigan? Do you remember any more from that night? No? Okay, well, we’ll let Brock fill it in.
I was pummeled with narrowed, pointed questions that dissected my personal life, love life, past life, family life, inane questions, accumulating trivial details to try and find an excuse for this guy who had me half naked before even bothering to ask for my name.
>>702653322
Is this testimony from the girl or are you a fan-fiction douche?
>>702653223
True dat.
>>702653398
After a physical assault, I was assaulted with questions designed to attack me, to say see, her facts don’t line up, she’s out of her mind, she’s practically an alcoholic, she probably wanted to hook up, he’s like an athlete right, they were both drunk, whatever, the hospital stuff she remembers is after the fact, why take it into account, Brock has a lot at stake so he’s having a really hard time right now.
And then it came time for him to testify and I learned what it meant to be revictimized. I want to remind you, the night after it happened he said he never planned to take me back to his dorm. He said he didn’t know why we were behind a dumpster. He got up to leave because he wasn’t feeling well when he was suddenly chased and attacked. Then he learned I could not remember.
So one year later, as predicted, a new dialogue emerged. Brock had a strange new story, almost sounded like a poorly written young adult novel with kissing and dancing and hand holding and lovingly tumbling onto the ground, and most importantly in this new story, there was suddenly consent. One year after the incident, he remembered, oh yeah, by the way she actually said yes, to everything, so.
He said he had asked if I wanted to dance. Apparently I said yes. He’d asked if I wanted to go to his dorm, I said yes. Then he asked if he could finger me and I said yes. Most guys don’t ask, can I finger you? Usually there’s a natural progression of things, unfolding consensually, not a Q and A. But apparently I granted full permission. He’s in the clear. Even in his story, I only said a total of three words, yes yes yes, before he had me half naked on the ground. Future reference, if you are confused about whether a girl can consent, see if she can speak an entire sentence. You couldn’t even do that. Just one coherent string of words. Where was the confusion? This is common sense, human decency.
>>702637131
>slightly
>>702653444
this is what she wrote about it, after the trial
>>702653512
According to him, the only reason we were on the ground was because I fell down. Note; if a girl falls down help her get back up. If she is too drunk to even walk and falls down, do not mount her, hump her, take off her underwear, and insert your hand inside her vagina. If a girl falls down help her up. If she is wearing a cardigan over her dress don’t take it off so that you can touch her breasts. Maybe she is cold, maybe that’s why she wore the cardigan.
Next in the story, two Swedes on bicycles approached you and you ran. When they tackled you why didn’t say, “Stop! Everything’s okay, go ask her, she’s right over there, she’ll tell you.” I mean you had just asked for my consent, right? I was awake, right? When the policeman arrived and interviewed the evil Swede who tackled you, he was crying so hard he couldn’t speak because of what he’d seen.
Your attorney has repeatedly pointed out, well we don’t know exactly when she became unconscious. And you’re right, maybe I was still fluttering my eyes and wasn’t completely limp yet. That was never the point. I was too drunk to speak English, too drunk to consent way before I was on the ground. I should have never been touched in the first place. Brock stated, “At no time did I see that she was not responding. If at any time I thought she was not responding, I would have stopped immediately.” Here’s the thing; if your plan was to stop only when I became unresponsive, then you still do not understand. You didn’t even stop when I was unconscious anyway! Someone else stopped you. Two guys on bikes noticed I wasn’t moving in the dark and had to tackle you. How did you not notice while on top of me?
>>702653664
You said, you would have stopped and gotten help. You say that, but I want you to explain how you would’ve helped me, step by step, walk me through this. I want to know, if those evil Swedes had not found me, how the night would have played out. I am asking you; Would you have pulled my underwear back on over my boots? Untangled the necklace wrapped around my neck? Closed my legs, covered me? Pick the pine needles from my hair? Asked if the abrasions on my neck and bottom hurt? Would you then go find a friend and say, Will you help me get her somewhere warm and soft? I don’t sleep when I think about the way it could have gone if the two guys had never come. What would have happened to me? That’s what you’ll never have a good answer for, that’s what you can’t explain even after a year.
On top of all this, he claimed that I orgasmed after one minute of digital penetration. The nurse said there had been abrasions, lacerations, and dirt in my genitalia. Was that before or after I came?
To sit under oath and inform all of us, that yes I wanted it, yes I permitted it, and that you are the true victim attacked by Swedes for reasons unknown to you is appalling, is demented, is selfish, is damaging. It is enough to be suffering. It is another thing to have someone ruthlessly working to diminish the gravity of validity of this suffering.
My family had to see pictures of my head strapped to a gurney full of pine needles, of my body in the dirt with my eyes closed, hair messed up, limbs bent, and dress hiked up. And even after that, my family had to listen to your attorney say the pictures were after the fact, we can dismiss them. To say, yes her nurse confirmed there was redness and abrasions inside her, significant trauma to her genitalia, but that’s what happens when you finger someone, and he’s already admitted to that.
>>702636922
Prison is an old-fashioned punishment designed by the patriarchy. He should've been let off with just probation.
>>702653801
To listen to your attorney attempt to paint a picture of me, the face of girls gone wild, as if somehow that would make it so that I had this coming for me. To listen to him say I sounded drunk on the phone because I’m silly and that’s my goofy way of speaking. To point out that in the voicemail, I said I would reward my boyfriend and we all know what I was thinking. I assure you my rewards program is non transferable, especially to any nameless man that approaches me.
He has done irreversible damage to me and my family during the trial and we have sat silently, listening to him shape the evening. But in the end, his unsupported statements and his attorney’s twisted logic fooled no one. The truth won, the truth spoke for itself.
You are guilty. Twelve jurors convicted you guilty of three felony counts beyond reasonable doubt, that’s twelve votes per count, thirty six yeses confirming guilt, that’s one hundred percent, unanimous guilt. And I thought finally it is over, finally he will own up to what he did, truly apologize, we will both move on and get better. Then I read your statement.
If you are hoping that one of my organs will implode from anger and I will die, I’m almost there. You are very close. This is not a story of another drunk college hookup with poor decision making. Assault is not an accident. Somehow, you still don’t get it. Somehow, you still sound confused.
>>702653930
I will now read portions of the defendant’s statement and respond to them.
You said, Being drunk I just couldn’t make the best decisions and neither could she.
Alcohol is not an excuse. Is it a factor? Yes. But alcohol was not the one who stripped me, fingered me, had my head dragging against the ground, with me almost fully naked. Having too much to drink was an amateur mistake that I admit to, but it is not criminal. Everyone in this room has had a night where they have regretted drinking too much, or knows someone close to them who has had a night where they have regretted drinking too much. Regretting drinking is not the same as regretting sexual assault. We were both drunk, the difference is I did not take off your pants and underwear, touch you inappropriately, and run away. That’s the difference.
You said, If I wanted to get to know her, I should have asked for her number, rather than asking her to go back to my room.
I’m not mad because you didn’t ask for my number. Even if you did know me, I would not want to be in this situation. My own boyfriend knows me, but if he asked to finger me behind a dumpster, I would slap him. No girl wants to be in this situation. Nobody. I don’t care if you know their phone number or not.
>>702653878
He should have been castrated on a moonless night.
>>702654036
You said, I stupidly thought it was okay for me to do what everyone around me was doing, which was drinking. I was wrong.
Again, you were not wrong for drinking. Everyone around you was not sexually assaulting me. You were wrong for doing what nobody else was doing, which was pushing your erect dick in your pants against my naked, defenseless body concealed in a dark area, where partygoers could no longer see or protect me, and my own sister could not find me. Sipping fireball is not your crime. Peeling off and discarding my underwear like a candy wrapper to insert your finger into my body, is where you went wrong. Why am I still explaining this.
You said, During the trial I didn’t want to victimize her at all. That was just my attorney and his way of approaching the case.
Your attorney is not your scapegoat, he represents you. Did your attorney say some incredulously infuriating, degrading things? Absolutely. He said you had an erection, because it was cold.
>>702636922
guy did nothing wrong
>>702654151
You said, you are in the process of establishing a program for high school and college students in which you speak about your experience to “speak out against the college campus drinking culture and the sexual promiscuity that goes along with that.”
Campus drinking culture. That’s what we’re speaking out against? You think that’s what I’ve spent the past year fighting for? Not awareness about campus sexual assault, or rape, or learning to recognize consent. Campus drinking culture. Down with Jack Daniels. Down with Skyy Vodka. If you want talk to people about drinking go to an AA meeting. You realize, having a drinking problem is different than drinking and then forcefully trying to have sex with someone? Show men how to respect women, not how to drink less.
Drinking culture and the sexual promiscuity that goes along with that. Goes along with that, like a side effect, like fries on the side of your order. Where does promiscuity even come into play? I don’t see headlines that read, Brock Turner, Guilty of drinking too much and the sexual promiscuity that goes along with that. Campus Sexual Assault. There’s your first powerpoint slide. Rest assured, if you fail to fix the topic of your talk, I will follow you to every school you go to and give a follow up presentation.
>>702654217
DINDUUUUUUUUUUUU NUFFFINNNN
my man.
>>702654248
Lastly you said, I want to show people that one night of drinking can ruin a life.
A life, one life, yours, you forgot about mine. Let me rephrase for you, I want to show people that one night of drinking can ruin two lives. You and me. You are the cause, I am the effect. You have dragged me through this hell with you, dipped me back into that night again and again. You knocked down both our towers, I collapsed at the same time you did. If you think I was spared, came out unscathed, that today I ride off into sunset, while you suffer the greatest blow, you are mistaken. Nobody wins. We have all been devastated, we have all been trying to find some meaning in all of this suffering. Your damage was concrete; stripped of titles, degrees, enrollment. My damage was internal, unseen, I carry it with me. You took away my worth, my privacy, my energy, my time, my safety, my intimacy, my confidence, my own voice, until today.
See one thing we have in common is that we were both unable to get up in the morning. I am no stranger to suffering. You made me a victim. In newspapers my name was “unconscious intoxicated woman”, ten syllables, and nothing more than that. For a while, I believed that that was all I was. I had to force myself to relearn my real name, my identity. To relearn that this is not all that I am. That I am not just a drunk victim at a frat party found behind a dumpster, while you are the All American swimmer at a top university, innocent until proven guilty, with so much at stake. I am a human being who has been irreversibly hurt, my life was put on hold for over a year, waiting to figure out if I was worth something.
My independence, natural joy, gentleness, and steady lifestyle I had been enjoying became distorted beyond recognition. I became closed off, angry, self deprecating, tired, irritable, empty. The isolation at times was unbearable. You cannot give me back the life I had before that night either.
>>702654383
While you worry about your shattered reputation, I refrigerated spoons every night so when I woke up, and my eyes were puffy from crying, I would hold the spoons to my eyes to lessen the swelling so that I could see. I showed up an hour late to work every morning, excused myself to cry in the stairwells, I can tell you all the best places in that building to cry where no one can hear you. The pain became so bad that I had to explain the private details to my boss to let her know why I was leaving. I needed time because continuing day to day was not possible. I used my savings to go as far away as I could possibly be. I did not return to work full time as I knew I’d have to take weeks off in the future for the hearing and trial, that were constantly being rescheduled. My life was put on hold for over a year, my structure had collapsed.
I can’t sleep alone at night without having a light on, like a five year old, because I have nightmares of being touched where I cannot wake up, I did this thing where I waited until the sun came up and I felt safe enough to sleep. For three months, I went to bed at six o’clock in the morning.
I used to pride myself on my independence, now I am afraid to go on walks in the evening, to attend social events with drinking among friends where I should be comfortable being. I have become a little barnacle always needing to be at someone’s side, to have my boyfriend standing next to me, sleeping beside me, protecting me. It is embarrassing how feeble I feel, how timidly I move through life, always guarded, ready to defend myself, ready to be angry.
You have no idea how hard I have worked to rebuild parts of me that are still weak. It took me eight months to even talk about what happened. I could no longer connect with friends, with everyone around me. I would scream at my boyfriend, my own family whenever they brought this up. You never let me forget what happened to me.
>no rape happened
>media and FB warriors calls him a rapist
Second wave feminists have won
>>702636922
Dude's life is entirely fucked, so whatever.
I get people are pissed about the sentence, but for real, does anyone thing his life as soon as he gets out will be any better than it was on the inside?
>>702654516
At the of end of the hearing, the trial, I was too tired to speak. I would leave drained, silent. I would go home turn off my phone and for days I would not speak. You bought me a ticket to a planet where I lived by myself. Every time a new article come out, I lived with the paranoia that my entire hometown would find out and know me as the girl who got assaulted. I didn’t want anyone’s pity and am still learning to accept victim as part of my identity. You made my own hometown an uncomfortable place to be.
You cannot give me back my sleepless nights. The way I have broken down sobbing uncontrollably if I’m watching a movie and a woman is harmed, to say it lightly, this experience has expanded my empathy for other victims. I have lost weight from stress, when people would comment I told them I’ve been running a lot lately. There are times I did not want to be touched. I have to relearn that I am not fragile, I am capable, I am wholesome, not just livid and weak.
When I see my younger sister hurting, when she is unable to keep up in school, when she is deprived of joy, when she is not sleeping, when she is crying so hard on the phone she is barely breathing, telling me over and over again she is sorry for leaving me alone that night, sorry sorry sorry, when she feels more guilt than you, then I do not forgive you. That night I had called her to try and find her, but you found me first. Your attorney’s closing statement began, “[Her sister] said she was fine and who knows her better than her sister.” You tried to use my own sister against me? Your points of attack were so weak, so low, it was almost embarrassing. You do not touch her.
>>702654572
If you agree with the legal definition of rape, woman on male rape doesn't exist.
Does it ? Then needing sexual penetration for it to be rape is retarded.
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>[C I T A T I O N R E Q U I R E D]
>>702654671
You should have never done this to me. Secondly, you should have never made me fight so long to tell you, you should have never done this to me. But here we are. The damage is done, no one can undo it. And now we both have a choice. We can let this destroy us, I can remain angry and hurt and you can be in denial, or we can face it head on, I accept the pain, you accept the punishment, and we move on.
Your life is not over, you have decades of years ahead to rewrite your story. The world is huge, it is so much bigger than Palo Alto and Stanford, and you will make a space for yourself in it where you can be useful and happy. But right now, you do not get to shrug your shoulders and be confused anymore. You do not get to pretend that there were no red flags. You have been convicted of violating me, intentionally, forcibly, sexually, with malicious intent, and all you can admit to is consuming alcohol. Do not talk about the sad way your life was upturned because alcohol made you do bad things. Figure out how to take responsibility for your own conduct.
Now to address the sentencing. When I read the probation officer’s report, I was in disbelief, consumed by anger which eventually quieted down to profound sadness. My statements have been slimmed down to distortion and taken out of context. I fought hard during this trial and will not have the outcome minimized by a probation officer who attempted to evaluate my current state and my wishes in a fifteen minute conversation, the majority of which was spent answering questions I had about the legal system. The context is also important. Brock had yet to issue a statement, and I had not read his remarks.
>>702654697
I dont think a man can be raped by a woman, unless we're talking about with a dildo or something.
All he has to do is have some self-control and not get an erection.
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>>702654836
My life has been on hold for over a year, a year of anger, anguish and uncertainty, until a jury of my peers rendered a judgment that validated the injustices I had endured. Had Brock admitted guilt and remorse and offered to settle early on, I would have considered a lighter sentence, respecting his honesty, grateful to be able to move our lives forward. Instead he took the risk of going to trial, added insult to injury and forced me to relive the hurt as details about my personal life and sexual assault were brutally dissected before the public. He pushed me and my family through a year of inexplicable, unnecessary suffering, and should face the consequences of challenging his crime, of putting my pain into question, of making us wait so long for justice.
I told the probation officer I do not want Brock to rot away in prison. I did not say he does not deserve to be behind bars. The probation officer’s recommendation of a year or less in county jail is a soft timeout, a mockery of the seriousness of his assaults, an insult to me and all women. It gives the message that a stranger can be inside you without proper consent and he will receive less than what has been defined as the minimum sentence. Probation should be denied. I also told the probation officer that what I truly wanted was for Brock to get it, to understand and admit to his wrongdoing.
Unfortunately, after reading the defendant’s report, I am severely disappointed and feel that he has failed to exhibit sincere remorse or responsibility for his conduct. I fully respected his right to a trial, but even after twelve jurors unanimously convicted him guilty of three felonies, all he has admitted to doing is ingesting alcohol. Someone who cannot take full accountability for his actions does not deserve a mitigating sentence.
>>702654671
Stop with the FB liberal arts autism. I could write paragraphs about how the dumb bitch ruined clothes and electronics it took children working twelve hour days in near slave labor conditions to priduce. People victimize themselves just to focus all the blame on another person just as drunk as them and then get coddled by thousands. It is a creeping weakness in this culture.
>>702654959
It is deeply offensive that he would try and dilute rape with a suggestion of “promiscuity.” By definition rape is the absence of promiscuity, rape is the absence of consent, and it perturbs me deeply that he can’t even see that distinction.
The probation officer factored in that the defendant is youthful and has no prior convictions. In my opinion, he is old enough to know what he did was wrong. When you are eighteen in this country you can go to war. When you are nineteen, you are old enough to pay the consequences for attempting to rape someone. He is young, but he is old enough to know better.
As this is a first offence I can see where leniency would beckon. On the other hand, as a society, we cannot forgive everyone’s first sexual assault or digital rape. It doesn’t make sense. The seriousness of rape has to be communicated clearly, we should not create a culture that suggests we learn that rape is wrong through trial and error. The consequences of sexual assault needs to be severe enough that people feel enough fear to exercise good judgment even if they are drunk, severe enough to be preventative.
The probation officer weighed the fact that he has surrendered a hard earned swimming scholarship. How fast Brock swims does not lessen the severity of what happened to me, and should not lessen the severity of his punishment. If a first time offender from an underprivileged background was accused of three felonies and displayed no accountability for his actions other than drinking, what would his sentence be? The fact that Brock was an athlete at a private university should not be seen as an entitlement to leniency, but as an opportunity to send a message that sexual assault is against the law regardless of social class.
>>702654858
Sexual arousal is involuntary.
Would you say a woman getting wet while being raped is consent?
Maybe some of you dumbfucks should actually read an articles instead of arguing over it an 4chan
http://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/brock-turners-stanford-rape-case-everything-you-need-to-know-w209237
>>702655055
The Probation Officer has stated that this case, when compared to other crimes of similar nature, may be considered less serious due to the defendant’s level of intoxication. It felt serious. That’s all I’m going to say.
What has he done to demonstrate that he deserves a break? He has only apologized for drinking and has yet to define what he did to me as sexual assault, he has revictimized me continually, relentlessly. He has been found guilty of three serious felonies and it is time for him to accept the consequences of his actions. He will not be quietly excused.
He is a lifetime sex registrant. That doesn’t expire. Just like what he did to me doesn’t expire, doesn’t just go away after a set number of years. It stays with me, it’s part of my identity, it has forever changed the way I carry myself, the way I live the rest of my life.
To conclude, I want to say thank you. To everyone from the intern who made me oatmeal when I woke up at the hospital that morning, to the deputy who waited beside me, to the nurses who calmed me, to the detective who listened to me and never judged me, to my advocates who stood unwaveringly beside me, to my therapist who taught me to find courage in vulnerability, to my boss for being kind and understanding, to my incredible parents who teach me how to turn pain into strength, to my grandma who snuck chocolate into the courtroom throughout this to give to me, my friends who remind me how to be happy, to my boyfriend who is patient and loving, to my unconquerable sister who is the other half of my heart, to Alaleh, my idol, who fought tirelessly and never doubted me. Thank you to everyone involved in the trial for their time and attention. Thank you to girls across the nation that wrote cards to my DA to give to me, so many strangers who cared for me.
>>702654671
>I didn’t want anyone’s pity and am still learning to accept victim as part of my identity.
My sides.
>I didn't want people to know to know I hooked up with a dude but now it's public. I am now acting like a bigger victim then third world underage rape victims. Please give me more attention.
>>702655217
Most importantly, thank you to the two men who saved me, who I have yet to meet. I sleep with two bicycles that I drew taped above my bed to remind myself there are heroes in this story. That we are looking out for one another. To have known all of these people, to have felt their protection and love, is something I will never forget.
And finally, to girls everywhere, I am with you. On nights when you feel alone, I am with you. When people doubt you or dismiss you, I am with you. I fought everyday for you. So never stop fighting, I believe you. As the author Anne Lamott once wrote, “Lighthouses don’t go running all over an island looking for boats to save; they just stand there shining.” Although I can’t save every boat, I hope that by speaking today, you absorbed a small amount of light, a small knowing that you can’t be silenced, a small satisfaction that justice was served, a small assurance that we are getting somewhere, and a big, big knowing that you are important, unquestionably, you are untouchable, you are beautiful, you are to be valued, respected, undeniably, every minute of every day, you are powerful and nobody can take that away from you. To girls everywhere, I am with you. Thank you.
>>702650826
this x1000
>>702655153
Yes. Absolutely.
And the court agrees with me. No one has ever been convicted of rape if they could prove the woman enjoyed it.
>>702654697
You're assuming a while lot from two sentences. Two people hooking up with heavy petting when one loses consciousness isn't rape
>>702643150
She would've been fine if she was at the party as well. However, I'd agree that the responsibility lies with the individual, as you can't trust strangers to have your best interest at heart. You, as an individual, can take the precautions to prevent something like that from happening.
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>>702655305
That is the woman's letter.
if you honestly try to claim "the worst thing she had after was a hangover" then you are frankly a subhuman piece of shit.
>>702638905
This 100%
>>702655550
No u
Woman
>>702641007
fkn kek
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>>702655350
99% of the pain is just the shame of enjoying it
>>702637613
Reeeeetard
>>702654858
ever heard of viagra ? other drugs ?
It's not rape if you use GHB ?
>>702637640
>filename
Kek
>>702655550
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>>702647870
If tou seem him, tell him I hoped he has learned his lesson and that I hope he looks inside himself and changes what he needs to change. I don't think his life is over, and I hope hedoesn't either.
>>702655054
Actually, he was a lot less drunk than her which is part of the problem.
>>702636922
Big fuckin deal. There's a dozen murderers and a lot more that committed assault that are being let out today and every other day. I'll bet you don't even know one of their names. You're a beta fag for focusing on this one, thinking that by displaying your indignation you're making some restitution for the crimes of white men (which sadly, you're also one). Nothing but a bunch of self-righteous and ignorant SJWs.
>>702647870
Ha! You live in Ohio, fegoot.
You should try living in a non-flyover state. It's pretty great.
>>702652870
Repeat offender? What date in the future is Brock going to re-offend?
>>702655401
That's not what happend. According to the police report, he dragged her behind the garbage while she already lost consciousness.
>>702636922
HUGH MUNGUS WHAT
HUGH MUNGUS WHAT
I don't even care.
>>702649053
Yes. For what he did, he could be in jail for a decade with niggers as cellmates.
Instead he will at least be able to tell his story on /b/.
You have lived long enough to enter an era of 4chan where the normies and cryhards have made this place home.
>spam threads about SJW bullshit
>using chan lingo to try and shame people into accepting their SJW garbage (eg. only redditors don't think xyz! you must be a summerfag!)
>using spambots to police content they are offended by (Eg. abusing spiderman to flood loli threads)
And on and on and on.
They are trying to change this place to their own little playground. Don't fall for their garbage. They want you to give up and stop pissing in the ocean of piss, so 4chan can be a safespace echo chamber hugbox.
What a time to be alive.
